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Interesting concept no?
Lets call it a test / trial and forum operations will continue as usual. In-game however you will have no moderators.
Nope I'm not crazy of course something is being put in place. Note: if its not working it may not even be a whole month.
I know there are a lot of you out there who provide reports etc back to the staff.
Well for the month of October and maybe beyond. You the community will be in charge of self moderation.
How is it going to work?
Well from your point of view as a community member you have a very simple job to do. If you see someone or something that shouldn't be going on block the person.
The system in place will identify people being blocked. It will assign bans accordingly. I'm not going to give too much insight to its workings for now as things may change as more information is collected and to prevent any attempts at abuse of the system.
So I guess what it boils down to is can you guys keep a clean and friendly environment? Or do you actually require people to sit and watch you?
Roll on October!
Raz
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I'm going to be honest here. This is a really bad idea. Yes there are a few older members on this game that can handle this. While others are not. I can see this being used to target and bully people. Someone just needs a lot of accounts, and a bully online will waste all the time in the world to do this. Even get friends in on it to spam block people. While I love to put faith and trust into people, I really do I just know how mean teens (Being I was a rather spit fire teen myself) can be mean to each other, younger members and so on. With my line of work I have to deal with the public a lot, and there are things you would never think you would have to say to people (Like 'Please don't throw rocks at the wolves'). I know without the code the game can't change much but a chat filter would honestly be the best 'No Mod' needed type thing.
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Literally what the hell, Raz.
It's bad enough that the moderating system was faulty in it's own ways, but you really think this is any better? This decision was so careless.
You do not involve yourself in the game, nor do you involve yourself in the community to actually know what is or isn't going to work. You run the server, you can do things with it that no one else really can, but in NO WAY is it right to make decisions by yourself willy-nilly that will effect the entire game in one way. To not even consult the rest of the staff TEAM about this? You know what the word "team" means, right? I mean... what the flipping heck do you think you're doing? Why would abuse your server power like this? Just... why?
Also, what KovuLKD wanted? Since when were you pro-LKD? Years have passed since him, SO much has changed, and there is no way where this could possibly work effectively without people abusing it, and without people being able to get out of the situation if they were targeted. Like "oh let's all block this person to get them banned", I know for a fact that RP's with drama/beef with their members will do this. Even groups of friends who may have fallen out with an individual will even do this. ESPECIALLY when this game is full of kids/minors. That's why this game and it's players NEED moderator supervision.
There's no swear detection in this game, there's no automatic ban, kick, or warning system, it's all so very VERY manual. The only thing automatic about this banning system now is the fact that it can be done through a person being blocked several times?? This isn't right. It can't be justified. I'm pretty sure my level of anger about this is perfectly justified given the lack of detail of how in ANY way this could be effective.
This has to go.
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It seems like someone is upset about the way the community is being? Raz? This is definitely not the way to handle it.
Okay look, your idea of this "No-babysitting" is not well thought out, now is it? Yes people can block but you are giving little to no other system at all for implementation. What about those who can glitch it and unblock? What about the relationship between FH and the staff themselves, no regulation, no conversation, no nothing of that sort? Unless you don't care much for the community's interaction between FH staff (no I am legit asking, some Admins couldn't care less about relationships between staff and player-base)? I see this being more like: Okay, there's a game, it's open to whoever and do whatever. There is no other point, no other purpose, no helping to stimulate a HEALTHY community (which by the way have you seen the in-game people? Oh my gosh, more toxic than ever).
Your staff lack already. They do a good job at being friendly, I guess? But being a MOD and a staff member - there is SO much more to it. It's to help, in this case, stimulate a healthy and friendly community, show the player-base you care, and trust me, many players do not feel the staff care, just because you "solve" complaints does not mean you care - you care to an extent sure, but about your players or growing the base? I doubt this. If not, PROVE OTHERWISE, PLEASE. What kind of game are you running? You are a server Admin, but I do not see you much otherwise, this include Game Manager or even Community Manager.
We will see how this goes, but, I do not see the MODs as useless or whatever the case may be. You have a community here now take care of it.
P.S: Forum community is vastly different than in-game, and, you want this game to be for children? Then EXPECT CHILDREN.... you might have to watch them, what did you expect?
ALSO P.S: Uh.... Yeah since when you did you care about Kovu? Back then you two might've been close, and yes he wanted to limit the staff but that is why he had a REPORT BUTTON. He had other systems he wanted to impliment, you are limited in that, so what are you doing? You have to adapt to the changes given, or give this to someone else that can handle it.
This is why Kovu left, I get it, he might've been "destroying" the game in your eyes, but what the hell gives you the RIGHT to just take over the server like that, this is not YOUR game and it never was - you just happen to have control of the server. You took over the server to help prevent the community from drifting like this, now just because you get rid of things doesn't mean you're fixing anything. 600 Players back in 2011, now down to average about 150-200. Limiting registration and taking the whole "hacking" situation out of hand, was it worth losing so many players - not to mention advertising or even registering new players, now you have a toxic community in-game and.... boy this is just a mess, you need some staff to HELP. You can do better Raz.
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The system in place will identify people being blocked. It will assign bans accordingly. I'm not going to give too much insight to its workings for now as things may change as more information is collected and to prevent any attempts at abuse of the system.
I have some concerns, but they probably fall under the theme of the system's workings, and I'm not sure how much insight is too much insight.
What happens if somebody tries to block themselves out of curiosity? Or blocks someone who simply annoys them? What happens if the server is overloaded with people blocking others? Or if someone runs around a group while it is roleplaying, then is temporarily blocked by the group so that the group has no bustle for the duration of their roleplay.
What happens if everybody thinks "The next person will take care of it."?
I won't mention any names, but I've blocked somebody who's been using that chat glitch where words overlap other messages in chat, if they don't need a ban for that then do I unblock the person so they aren't banned? Or does the system not ban users who are already blocked at the time it takes effect?
As much as I like robots, as much as I believe the world is more high-tech than I know it is, robots can't replace humans when it comes to moderating.
People could find a way to get around the failsafes.
There's no knowing how many people won't know this is in place, there'd be an unpredictable amount of rulebreakers going un-punished.
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Raz, stop this. Please. This isn't right! Whatever the heck went on, it wasn't this community's fault! This whole game is literally going to break apart because of this....whatever the heck this is! What the heck happened to you???? Do you not care at all what goes on here? Why keep this game running, why put ANY EFFORT into it then...if this was how you were going to destroy it??? You can't freaking act on your own like this! You NEED a staff team! You can't do this on your own! Please Raz....for the love of all that is holy please reconsider....
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The staff members should be there to uphold the community and take reports. Not leave this to a faulty, easily abused system. If what I'm understanding is correct, when someone is blocked the system will issue a ban accordingly? What does that mean for the people who have never broken a rule, but have a bad reputation? That isn't justified to any degree! Especially because before the block these people could have gotten baited into an argument, even with no rule breaking.
If this thing is literally going to be implemented, I have to say this is the worst thing to happen to the game yet! And you're driving us all there without a thought nor care.
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I'm gonna be really honest about this.
This is a terrible idea. Horrible. There are a lot of ways this system can be mistreated and abused - someone with a grudge can EASILY get someone banned. I'm sure people will stop logging on because of this, too.
I'm very against this policy. Things were (sort of) fine before; I don't see why you'd need to implement something like this. Especially if you haven't consulted your staff team. It's a team for a reason.
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R.I.P. We all die. *conspiracy theories*.
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There goes my plan to log into the game at all in October. If this stays in place, like the removal of general chat 'trial', then I'm gone from the game; I'm out. This is ridiculous.
The system in place will identify people being blocked. It will assign bans accordingly. I'm not going to give too much insight to its workings for now as things may change as more information is collected and to prevent any attempts at abuse of the system.
Where in the nine circles of Hell is the transparency here?
How is the system going to assign bans? By the number of people who block the same person? By the actions that the person took before being blocked? By what they said in the chat? How?
I refuse to be responsible for someone being banned just because I blocked them to alleviate the lag, or because they were repeatedly posting movie clips in chat, etc.
The excuse that you won't give insight into how it works just because things can change is null. Things always change, and somehow that doesn't mean that transparency can be thrown out the window on account of that.
I don't know what kind of point you're trying to prove, but even the nicest communities have moderation and a staff team. Moderators are there to be impartial to any personal conflict that goes on and administer the proper punishment based on evidence available. You now supposedly gave that power to the masses. Masses who hold grudges, play favorites, have no need to even provide evidence, and will abuse this system.
As it stands, and with the limited amount of information available right now, I am vehemently against this; computer programs should not be used in place of human judgement. Especially not for a community as large as one here.
Edit: I'd just like to ask something here as well. Not to make assumptions, but have you thought this through? Did you consider other options? Have you sat down for an hour or two and asked yourself, "Is this what's best for my community?"
Because this looks like a very rash decision. Especially since you void the staff for the duration of the trial, which is the opposite of what you should be doing. The staff should be there to ease in the transition, prevent abuse of this system, and provide feedback on its effectiveness.
You've essentially delegated all of that upon yourself. I don't know why you would consider that as a good idea.
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I'm going to completely blunt and honest; this has put me in even worse faith for the game now. For the past year, I've been trying to keep a positive outlook on the game. I've been hyped for the updates staff have been working on. However, the community is slowly crumbling, and I thought this was what rock bottom was, and that the update would help boost the player base. Now, I kinda feel like I've been handed a shovel and been told to "keep digging." I had hopes things were looking up, but man this is not a good look on FH itself.
While I understand why you don't want to give information as to how this will work, it just makes me fearful of how it's going to work to begin with. I almost don't want to play because I know people may target me or my friends for petty past drama.
How do I know it can't be manipulated? What will keep people from logging on and mass-spamming a person in hopes to get them banned because they dislike them? Faith is something lacking in the community between staff and the playerbase, and this just makes it worse, because now apparently staff don't communicate with one another? I'm just lost.
What about someone who just wants to block someone because they make them uncomfortable? Is that going to put a red mark on the person even though they didn't break rules? What if I'm roleplaying in a public map and someone is chatting nearby, and I just want to see my rp parter's posts? What if I just want to block someone because they're being annoying but not breaking any rules? There are a ton of people who just do that very thing.
If there's more to it than just blocking such as filter words, how do I know if i'll get snagged by the system for saying a word that has a curse word in it, like association? I've never seen a good chat filter system, ever. It can be just as buggy as it can be avoided using spacing or symbols to deviate the bad word itself. What about private chats, is it going to effect that?
Better yet, what is keeping people from just not blocking all together? In so many online games now, cursing is just normal. No one really sees it as a bad thing anymore. It really just doesn't bother people.
I just don't know how to feel about this other than confused and scared. I love this game, but I don't want to play it if it means I'm just going to end up getting harassed by a easily manipulated system. Call it overreacting if you want, but the fact there is no information on this just leads to confusion and fear. It makes people lose faith. I'm tired of losing faith. In the friend group I have, not a single one has a good feeling about this.
EDIT: And now I see what I fear the most; people are looking to leave. Great. Just great. And you know what's worse? This is just going to harm the moderators and staff who were not apart of this choice. It's going to make THEIR lives harder. That, in itself, makes me infuriated. Now people wonder if there's a serious attempt to just put the game out of it's misery, and I can't blame them now.
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Raz, this is seriously mental. Why do you think this is a good idea? This is obviously a joke.
Did you not think about hordes of groups who can literally block one user because they simply don't like them and haven't done a single thing wrong against rules?
Or the fact people can now witch hunt a user and get them perm banned because they just don't like them? People WILL do this. We need to mods to act as a neutral stand point.
Its like letting a country run a muck without a court system, it just won't work. We NEED mods. If it's too much for the amount of mods you have get more mods.
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Although I've never posted something like this I think that in the long 5 years I've been playing FH its about time. Honestly, I'm probably gonna list off the same reasons the posters above me have foretold and I'm sorry about it but I must embolden their worries even further. This is no way to manage a community, not one as big as this, not one as distanced from one another like this.
First off... This community is primarily played by children. Immature children. A good portion of them don't know how to behave or have troubles behaving... The very reason we have a staff team in the first place.
Second- Self management in a community as wide as this (More than 150 players get connected in a single DAY! There's bound to be trouble) would simply not work, especially an entire MONTH, 30 days. It's not as easy to manage as, say, an Impressive Title server, which as a top may get 50 separate users online a day.
Third- Not having access to FH's source code (as far as we know) gives in the conclusion that the game's code has remained untouched ever since Kovu left. This screams the words outdated, and rudimentary. This means putting a system for auto-banning that will NOT be ingrained into the actual game and that will instead operate from an outsider source is quite the dangerous feat and a decision taken with no second thoughts.
I'm no admin- I don't know what is it like behind the counter, of course, but what I am sure of is that this will not give good results with the kind of toxic, brittling community FH has built up over the last years. I'm a nobody, and go on as you may- But don't say none of us didn't warn you if it goes as predicted.
Fourth, but not least, this may actually do the opposite of strengthening the community's unity- Making it weaker and making members bitter to one another, defensive, and on guard at all times. Shy and afraid to interact with other openly, apprehensive of what may come if they say the wrong thing to the wrong person without meaning for it, and getting banned. It is very easy to bring chaos in a group if there are no regulators present to control the situation and bring in a neutral, down-to-earth thought into it. These are the same reasons you can't make a robot a cop.
On the other hand, only giving in negative feedback to this feature would be a rash move of mine, so my only advice, for now, is that you reconsider taking a step back and talking with your staff team because you're in constant collaboration and as a group decisions must be taken as one. Lately, the community has begun sensing the feeling that the staff team is too distant from the playerbase, so my sole suggestion would be to try and expand into this issue further on and try to solve it, again, as a unit, not solo. Thanks for reading up to here.
As it stands, and with the limited amount of information available right now, I am vehemently against this; computer programs should not be used in place of human judgement. Especially not for a community as large as one here.
Literally my point, thanks Luc
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At first I wasn't going to comment here since everyone else is already basically saying what I wanted to say anyway, but nah, you need to know how ridiculous this is.
"Do you guys need someone to watch and babysit you?" Haha. How condescending and childish. It's more like "Do you need the members to do your staff's job for you?"
Do you realize how easily this could be exploited? Instead of this banning the trolls and such who would be causing problems, they will likely all band together to block and ban random members just for the fun of it. Either the number of blocks needed is so high that it's borderline pointless, or it will only work simply because the people being bothered can no longer see the offending party, or the number is low enough that it would be easy enough to get a group together and run around randomly blocking and banning people. The fact that apparently you didn't even ask the other staff members for their input (or just ignored their input) is also ridiculous. You guys are meant to be a team. Are you simply trying to run all the players off so you don't have to deal with this game anymore? Why not just shut the server down and save everyone the trouble.
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Uh. Raz. What? I can't say I support this. Theres nothing else to say, it's all been said already.
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Oh my goodness
This is the opposite of what a functioning community looks like.
There are many things that can go wrong in the sense that-
1: Many movie spammers are blocked, but they are only looking for fellow role players- they aren't necessarily doing anything wrong, but it can come out as unjust and with almost no say in the matter.
2: What if a whole gang of trolling players decided to come together in order to get random players banned for no reason by creating a massive group that blocks many people at a time?
3: Players may in fact mass block a staff member of any kind resulting in an unfair ban as well.
4: The ban system has never been looked upon as good thing within this game, the record is as clean as the polluted ocean. Many people in the past have complained time and time again about being unjustly banned. DM's have been sent to countless staff members asking to give them a second chance, moderators having to say that they have no idea how to lift the bans, excuse after excuse. It is becoming a hassle just to play without the fear of someone looming over and just ready to remove you from the game.
5: How. Long. Do. The. Bans. Last. Is this system going to be a first time ban = 24 hours, Second time = a Week, The third time = A Year, & the final straw is a perma-ban?
This may be me grasping at flimsy straws- but this just seems like an awful way to go about things within the game that is supposed to be a successor to IT servers. The hack of 2015 was something to come together and fix things for the better, but seeing this it seems things have fallen to the worst and should be reconsidered & thought out thoroughly before implementing strict rules over those who disagree.
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There's not much one can say after many have spoken the same things.
This really isn't a good idea... The game's gonna lose control with this concept, Raz. It won't last.
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Interesting concept no?
Lets call it a test / trial and forum operations will continue as usual. In-game however you will have no moderators.
Nope I'm not crazy of course something is being put in place. Note: if its not working it may not even be a whole month.
I know there are a lot of you out there who provide reports etc back to the staff.
Well for the month of October and maybe beyond. You the community will be in charge of self moderation.
How is it going to work?
Well from your point of view as a community member you have a very simple job to do. If you see someone or something that shouldn't be going on block the person.
The system in place will identify people being blocked. It will assign bans accordingly. I'm not going to give too much insight to its workings for now as things may change as more information is collected and to prevent any attempts at abuse of the system.
So I guess what it boils down to is can you guys keep a clean and friendly environment? Or do you actually require people to sit and watch you?
Roll on October!
Raz
You're making the biggest mistake of your life.
How do you expect people to be happy by this.
I disagree.
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No thank you.
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not much else i can add to this that hasn't already been said, but this is an absolutely ludicrous idea and i can only hope that you're able to recognize this and revoke such an absurd, easily abusable system before it ruins what little FH has left going for it
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No one wants this.
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Everyone else has shared my concerns. I truly feel for the people who will be banned without reason within the next month if this is implemented. People who don't go on the forums are going to continue blocking how they usually do and it's going to get people banned.
I have to say, as you're someone who's been with the community for a very long time that I expected better. But you never consulted the rest of your team, and though their posts have remained civil, their frustration is still showing. And rightfully so.
I sincerely hope you consider what every person who has posted on this is saying, because it all seems to be one very loud voice at this point. To ignore it is to prove that this is not something you did for the community, but rather for some other reason.
For the future of this game, reconsider.
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You can’t be serious. The system will be abused, people will be banned willy-nilly, and people will quit. Simple as.
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Everyone has already said it.
NOT
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GOOD
IDEA
pls don't do it, thanks.
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wow. yikes. that's all i have to say about that.
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I'm adding to the disagreement. This is a horrible idea. Listen to the community, and don't do this.
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Alarming and confusing, unnerving and upsetting? Emotional.
It would be nice to have insight on how many blocks triggers the system as I know I've been blocked by many.
I am at a loss of words, but I do agree that we needn't be babysat. Though, unsure of your ideas Raz.
Bawfle's post shall be the highlight, please.
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I vehemently disagree with this decision. I may not speak on the forums very often, but I know this is a horrible idea. There are a lot of bitter people in this world, and some people hold horrible grudges against others. If some people ban together against one person they can get them banned from the game, which is completely unfair. I can speak from my own stand point that I have never been kicked or banned, but if someone gets angry, they'll get someone like myself banned. There are others who've made a mistake one time, and even they can get banned. This is just an all around horrible idea, and I am very against this.
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This is dumb.
I've been blocked plenty of times for no reason at all by groups of roleplayers.
Why? They don't want to see my character model because it's "in the way" or want to see my chat blocking their RP.
I don't intentionally sit in the middle of a RP's crowd and if I see one going on in the local chat I avoid using that chat. (Post cuts are annoying. I will never cut into other group's posts if I can help it.)
Even though I never "interrupt" a roleplay, I've been told that they're going to block me. What? I was only within chat range and not even using the same chat!
RP groups that do this will end up getting plenty of people banned.
I don't have a thing against RP, I'm also a RP'er, but if you use this system there's going to be a lot of unneeded bans.
This will only kill the community even more. (I've seen people say FH is doing fine, but it's not. There used to be way more people around.)
Look at how many are disagreeing with this too. Just don't do it.
I'll use a game I left years ago as an example; Animal Jam. (I out grew that game, but wow, I hated it. Only stayed around for the friends I had there.)
That game lets a chat bot moderate EVERYTHING. Sure, you're basing it off blocking and not the chat bot they have, but it will end up the same way. It banned people who did nothing wrong. (I even got banned just for saying "hi" to someone on AJ.)
"That's a chat bot. Not something banning people based on being blocked." As I said, it'll end up being the same way.
Roleplay groups who block everyone around them will get others unneeded bans. (Like the one I mentioned before.)
People who just want to be jerks will cause unneeded bans. (Groups and those who have way too many spare accounts.)
People who accidentally spam so everyone around them just blocks them.
People who used to be a pest but have gotten better, though they are still blocked.
Other people probably have more examples. But seriously, come on.
This is just dumb.
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Yeah um, no. This is a HORRIBLE idea. This is going to get so abused by so many members, and i actually happen to like the mods sitting around in TG, its makes me a bit more comfortable that someone wont try to come at me or others and there wont be any real fighting in the game. There are many people who very dislike one another in this game, or dislike certain groups, and if this happens it will wreck chaos in the game. Please, PLEASE do not do this.
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Staff is definitely an important foundation for FH, it would be bad to do away with. uwu
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Wow. Really razmirz?
This is something that I thought would never happen. Everyone else is right. I agree. Where have you been?! Talking to members? No. Interacting in the chats in-game? No. Making jokes, or even interacting with your TEAM? Sounds like a no as well... Nowhere to be found. You work behind the scenes and no ones knows what your doing, EVER. That is not how a TEAM works. They all said what I really needed wanted to though. So I won't say much more.
Please rethink whatever you may be thinking about right now. Please rethink and take notice to our opinions. If you care. Please.
That is all and we WILL fight.
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This is a really bad idea if I say so myself. So it has to go in my opinion like Bawfle said the moderation system was at faulty in it's own way, so I agree with Bawfle on this one.
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Sure hope this a joke, a little jest to spook folks for October. Otherwise you're going to cause chaos and ruin in the community in just a single month. The community is already dying, to do this could prove fatal, whether its a small trial or not.
Mods have proven to be the most effective method of weeding out rule breakers, its why so many online games have them. Even adults need supervision, I can tell you from my experiences in Final Fantasy XIV, no community is a picture perfect, where everyone is happy-go-lucky holdin' hands and singin' kumbaya. I may not know how the inner workings of this system functions, but it can be very easily abused, regardless of how you try to prevent it. Just because someone is blocked does not mean they deserve a ban.
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I agree with the rest of the community. The implementation of this concept has to be reconsidered.
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but yeah, like the rest of the community, personally i'm heavily opposed to this concept and don't think it'll bring around any good. if anything it gives feralheart even worse of a reputation than ever before. there's a good reason for moderators and a staff team, and it's certainly not because members of this game need to be babysat. even if i've been iffy on the way FH is run many times, the staff team exist to make sure the rules put in place are enforced. not all cases of rule breaking can be dealt with a simple block either. this is why the staff team exists. what's next, all law enforcement is gone because citizens should be able to do without so-called babysitting? it's a preposterous concept. especially considering the fact you have chosen to take action with this idea without thinking or informing the staff team. it simply won't work; even games of the best security and community have a staff team to make sure everything is going smoothly.
like many others i do hope this is a joke. and even if it is one, it certainly isn't laughable.
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I agree with the rest of the community. The implementation of this concept has to be reconsidered.
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You know, I've played this game off and on for 6 years and I can't say that I've ever heard of something so stupid being implemented into an online game.
Are you just mad or entirely ignorant as to how online communities work?
Also, "babysitting"? This game is targeted towards children. I'm pretty sure you signed up to work with them.
You've angered the entire community with this ridiculous idea of yours, and I absolutely cannot believe that you'd think this would ever work.
The majority of your players have already left at this point and you've done what seems like nothing to draw people into the game. Now you want to get rid of the few that have stuck by your side? When people say they will leave due to this unrealistic choice, they mean it.
You say that the staff shouldn't have to babysit us, but maybe they should babysit you.
Think before you throw an idea out into the air. This is not the way to do things. This is the way to destroy what little you have built.
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everyone else has said it all already so I will make this quick. the moderators are a part of the community and it's part of what makes this MMO feel like a positive environment. you can't remove a basic component of your community and not expect backlash. I would hope you would be a bit more responsible than that raz...
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The utter VITRIOL in this threat is amazing! This place is schadenfreude-central.
As someone who has observed some questionable practices from the moderators (and don't get on my back, I know, I know... I'm not the cleanest character, but I digress), I am all for some slack being put in the leather collar this game's mod system has got around us. I gotta tell you, it's hilarious but also deeply saddening when I go to the grounds and watch someone get kicked, or worse, for saying the word "bone wolf" all because a moderator dare I say immaturely read it as an innuendo.
Blocks-to-bans however, is a bad system for several reasons. Perhaps do something about that stupid "unblock trick" to make blocking people more effective. Drop that ban thing, and limit it to reports, Raz, and you'll have my vote.
If this goes through anyways, regardless, happy October, with or without Lord of the Flies-esque chaos.
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The fact you believe this is a good idea without contacting any of your staff members proves what you are.
Just because you run the servers, does not mean you are god over us Raz. You've done this before in previous years, and all you are good for is keeping our community running. You say this is what Kovu would want, I doubt that. AS someone who was friends with him, I know for a fact he would not want this at all. You are destroying this game with your greedy tricks. I am tired of watching a community I spent 8 years in die because their server master is rather full of himself. As you can see, your community does not appreciate what you are doing. Maybe listen for a change.(http://i68BannedImageSite/2web7fc.png)
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As many have stated before, this is a awful idea and I don't support it. If this new system gets added, who would even want to log on knowing that they could be targeted by a troll who just wants to get them banned? PLEASE reconsider making this choice.
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I agree with the rest of the community. The implementation of this concept has to be reconsidered.
we should all honestly requote this
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As many other have already said, This idea is not only dumb, its idiotic. its going to cause so much Chaos within the game and the players that call this place home. And to make such a decision like this without consulting ANY of the FH staff??? Its just crazy. They All work extremely hard to help run this game and they are around far more than you come around Raz. Why make such a decision BY YOURSELF??
Speaking for myself and my group The Kreptic Circle, We are all very against this idea. We hope you seriously reconsider these actions Raz and start listening to what the community is saying. Do not cause the end of a game where people come to get away or call a second home. It's not fair.
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#NotMyFeralHeart
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silly and petty to post here, but i do genuinely refuse to log onto the game until this goes away, or until a better system is implemented. if it never does, then i guess i'm never playing FH again. and that's fine by me if it means i don't play a role in this.
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BOYCOTT FH - OCTOBER
Seems like a better idea than risking myself by going online to getting targetted by spam blockers.
If you wanna know how i feel about this idea, just refer to the many posts already made, its horrible.
Bad for the staff - member relationship
Bad for the staff - staff relationship
Easily abused
Bad for Feral Hearts reputation.
I wont be coming online FH in october due to this.
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If this happens and FH 'breaks' oh welp. See ya'll in Cereal Soup than i guess
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ahhashjs whatj
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I still can't believe how terrible of an idea this is. We aren't going to stop fighting either, until you either come ot your senses and see how dumb this is or shut the game down. Choice is yours Raz. But please just..see sense. Look at what you are causing. Did you seriously want this?
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I agree with the rest of the community. The implementation of this concept has to be reconsidered.
Agreed. Razmirz, you are taking this the wrong way. This is not fair to us! Don't do this please, it will just make everything worse then people will start quitting. Stop this Raz, it's so unfair. :(
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I have been playing this game for roughly seven years now, and never before have I seen such a horrible idea that will have abhorrent consequences on the community. While I'm sure this was implemented with good intentions, not confiding in your staff first is, in my opinion, very rude and disrespectful considering they're the ones who have been keeping the community tame, safe, and fun for years now.
In my time here, I have seen what it is like when roleplay drama gets taken way too far. What if a group of people decided they didn't like someone and mass-blocked them, resulting in said person's ban? This system is incredibly flawed and stupidly easy to take advantage of. Right now, a gigantic group of floofs are in the Grounds, protesting this. While I know it may feel insulting to be affronted so vehemently, I strongly urge you to listen to the community. Respect your staff, and understand that this is only hurting Feral-Heart. Just because people were able to overcome you "trial" with doing away with general chat doesn't mean they'll overcome this.
This decision could be the end for Feral-Heart.
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This is bad and the fact it wasn't worked out with other staff is also very very bad. I expected better but I guess not. This concept is problematic and wrong and you should know this. Literally don't have anything else to say I'm speechless and disappointed.
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please don't do this to the community, Raz.
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VIVA LA MODERATORS!
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How was this ever a good idea like seriously think about it for a second your giving a bunch of people power possibly do whatever they want Am sorry but this isn’t good enough people are obviously gonna abuse the power and make fh unenjoyable for everyone else it’s bad enough as it is with people trolling now your wanting to give thoes people power ? This isn’t a good idea
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I don't feel the need to say much since I'd rather not repeat the many replies in this thread. However - I must say that this is a terrible idea. I've been apart of FH since 2012 and I know from personal experience that players would love to block/ban other players just out of pure hatred over silly RP disputes and little arguments. Not all of course, but there are enough players of the community who are younger or just immature that would easily abuse this factor. I've been on staff on a different game for a little over a year and I know what would go down if staff weren't there. This community would fall apart without our staff. Please, don't implement this. Especially without discussing it with your fellow staff members first.
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This is completely irrational and absurd.
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Raz's True Identity Revealed:
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There have been few times over the last 7 years that I have strong enough feelings about a problem with FH that I would actually log onto the forum to speak on it. This is an awful idea Raz, I don't understand how you could come to think this would do any good. Do not do this.
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Oh no wait guys, turns out Raz is just a Legend of Korra villain.
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Long time no see!
Where to start...I don't think I have a say so anymore what happens to this wonderful community since I have gone to bigger better things, But I do linger around watching what happens on this lovely game still. I do not agree with this new change at all. Aside from points that have been mentioned as well, it takes the whole concept of "With great power comes great responsibilities" away from current staff and into the hands of others who are at a certain age where even a simple misunderstanding between people could just result in a A LOT banfest.
We have staff for a reason, and if the strain within that circle is A LOT then bring aboard more staff instead of a self ban system. This new system is not good...at ALL. Please reconsider this movement as this isn't the right GAME for this kind of system.
In other games there HAS BEEN implements of "self reporting within game" but it shouldn't be up to the player to make that ban it should be staffs better judgment. Especially giving this power to a new person who is unfamiliar with the rules and not even on the forum platform this is very dangerous.
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RAZ YOU ABSOLUTE MAD MAN
I AM SO EXCITED TO TRY IT OUT!! PLEASE DO IT
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FH Community RN
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Remember guys, rules still apply. You may have very strong opinions, but that doesn't give anyone the right to chastise or berate anyone, including Raz. Be responsible with your replies.
We all agree that this idea is a bad one, but we wont get anywhere with name-calling or making fun of someone.
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Alrighty, I haven’t actually commented on the site in years, but I believe I need to add on to the disgust everyone is feeling for this notion:
Do you have any idea how many petty people are actually on FH? There have been cases where new players have been blocked by entire groups, just for watching the RP, never saying anything, never approaching, just enjoying the story.
“Mod yourself” sounds a bit more like you’re giving a group of toddlers a stick of lit dynamite each to run around with, as well as knives, scissors, and any other object that could be potentially dangerous to themselves, as well as others.
In this case, YES—by all means—babysit this community. You are a member of the staff for a reason, and I can assure you that that reason is not to give people who would definately abuse this system incentive. I can assure you that when the mods return, if this is implemented, there will be no game to return to, as many loyal members will have been banned, all because of a “test”.
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Although this account may seem new, I would be considered a veteran of this game. Like everyone else before me has said, this is a bad decision. This could be the games end if anything, it's highly unfair to the community as well. It's bad the game has already lost hundreds of players, but this is just adding to the list of issues! And the fact that the staff didn't know about this is disgusting. What's the point of a staff team if you want to take all of the power?
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^ Do you see that? That's 80+ people standing with the staff and saying that this is also a bad decision. If the plug is pulled, I will be devastated due to the past I have with it. I've made my closest friends over this game, people who I have traveled too to meet. I hope you understand this mistake you're going to let happen if it happens at all.
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When you have this many members begging you not to do this and telling you this idea is awful, then you know you really messed up. This system is corrupt before it's even implemented, they're planning a boycott before the month is even here. This is reflecting so badly on you, Raz, there's no other way to explain it. This makes you seem lazy. This makes it seem like you don't want to be here anymore- and if that's the case, then please, for the love of anything you've got left- retire. This isn't fair to the community, it's not fair to the members, and you think you're lessening and workload when really you're just tying the noose tighter.
You really think this will help anything? Did you not think this through all the way? Was this just a stupid brash decision that you made, and didn't consult the staff team? What did you think the members would think about this? Because in all honesty, if you thought this could ever possibly work, and you thought the members would agree, you never could've been more wrong. I have yet to see a single person agree with you. You're relying on potentially malicious members to be fair? To be truthful? Are you kidding me? There were moderators and admins in the first place because they KNEW that the integrity was never going to be enough to keep things in check. The invisible hand doesn't exist here, and all in all? People are never going to do the right thing when nobody's looking.
You need to realize that this whole community is rallying against you. There will be backlash and there will be many, many unjustified bans- unconstitutional bans- that did not get fair trial. Many people will just block members out of the pure intent to have them banned. There are others who, like myself, simply block members because they do not wish to interact with them. Others block users because of a simple annoying action. None of these are bannable offenses, and your system spears through the whole entire purpose of the block button.
There is going to be an uprising, as there is against all stupid decisions that govern how things have been. Jeopardizes the peace. There's going to be absolute anarchy, and I don't know how you were blind to it to begin with. I've been here since the very beginning, almost 8 years now, and to see this community crack under a pressure that you put on is a devastating blow.
I'm going to be there when it crashes, and I know for certain who they're going to burn at the stake.
#NotMyFeralHeart
#PushBack
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5 years of FeralHeart and I've never been inclined to post on these forums. Until now. This a horrible idea, plain and simple. Please rethink.
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I hope this is bait.
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Uh okay! I will just play now. I hope this update will do good, and not ban innocent players, right?
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Everyone else has said my thoughts already, but is this just some passive-aggressive way to get back at all the people who have had complaints about the FH staff over the years? Because this is not at all what anyone wanted. This isn't a compromise or a solution.
I don't think this decision was thought out at all. Though based on Feralheart's track record of spontaneous decisions without any prior input from the community, I guess I shouldn't be surprised. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Not much else to say at this point.
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literally what
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FeralHeart may not seem like much to some particular individuals. I know a lot of members have come and gone since I started playing in 2014 with my late best friend. But FeralHeart. It brought him and I together. It gave us a safe place to go when life got hard. We learned new skills. We got so creative. We met so many new people. People change. Communities. Communities can get bigger and smaller. They can go through their ups and downs. But one thing that doesn't change? How much the loyal members of this game love the community that they are in.
FeralHeart can still go back to the way it used to be. We're all still here for each other. We've been here for each other through all of these years. People leave. People come back. I know I was glad to have returned. But to come home to this... I'm honestly speechless. I can see the intentions of making a good community behind it, but this solution is...in a word, lazy. And unfair. Like I said, people change. People have grown older with this game. We've watched sprout into something amazing and safe. Don't throw that all away. We can talk better solutions. Together. Like it's supposed to be in a community.
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This... I honestly cannot support. My opinion is just the same as everyone's stated in this thread. Did you think before this was implemented? How this could easily be used to take advantage of the innocent users of this community? It doesn't seem that you have, Raz. It's frankly sad that you have even thought of this measure to control a community. You need real live people to moderate a community, not a a system that can easily be exploited such as this. Well there goes my decision of logging on FH this October. I will be letting all of my friends know about this so they can keep their guard up if they decide to log into the game.
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I avoid the forum 110% of the time, but this is just too fun
Everyone is bringing up "how bad of an idea this is!" I'm going to be the firs to point out that Raz probably knew this was a bad idea before anyone told them. Do you really think a GM who has been in charge for longer than I have been on FH (I've been on FH a lot longer than my account would lead you to believe) would look at this and go "oh yes, this is /the/ good idea." I just don't think that would happen. It also makes no sense that Raz would not tell the mods about this if they really thought it was a good idea. Someone who thinks they have a great idea would be more than willing to share it with their subordinates. Also Raz never did say they thought it was a good idea, they said "interesting" idea.
With that being said, haven't any of you thought that Raz is probably doing this because it is a bad idea? I hate to speculate, but after such a long time of working so hard for something with little to no payback.. I would want it to end to. Why not let it tear itself apart rather than hit the button to shut it all down; leaving everyone confused as to why it stopped?
Now even though I said all of this, I really don't think anything about it is good, nor do I want FH to go away from this. I'm just pointing out that Raz probably knows all to well how bad this idea is
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I hope this is bait.
IF IT IS BAIT I AM GOING TO CRY REAL TEARS
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So can we just sit back and marvel at how this was done but according to everyone 'General' chat was too bad and needed to be removed? How is this any better? Like if you're doing this, why not give General a chat channel a chance again too?
I can't be the only FH 'veteran' still missing the channel in public default FH maps?
Not going to lie, the salt is still very much there.
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I avoid the forum 110% of the time, but this is just too fun
Everyone is bringing up "how bad of an idea this is!" I'm going to be the firs to point out that Raz probably knew this was a bad idea before anyone told them. Do you really think a GM who has been in charge for longer than I have been on FH (I've been on FH a lot longer than my account would lead you to believe) would look at this and go "oh yes, this is /the/ good idea." I just don't think that would happen. It also makes no sense that Raz would not tell the mods about this if they really thought it was a good idea. Someone who thinks they have a great idea would be more than willing to share it with their subordinates. Also Raz never did say they thought it was a good idea, they said "interesting" idea.
With that being said, haven't any of you thought that Raz is probably doing this because it is a bad idea? I hate to speculate, but after such a long time of working so hard for something with little to no payback.. I would want it to end to. Why not let it tear itself apart rather than hit the button to shut it all down; leaving everyone confused as to why it stopped?
Now even though I said all of this, I really don't think anything about it is good, nor do I want FH to go away from this. I'm just pointing out that Raz probably knows all to well how bad this idea is
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Although this account may seem new, I would be considered a veteran of this game. Like everyone else before me has said, this is a bad decision. This could be the games end if anything, it's highly unfair to the community as well. It's bad the game has already lost hundreds of players, but this is just adding to the list of issues! And the fact that the staff didn't know about this is disgusting. What's the point of a staff team if you want to take all of the power?
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^ Do you see that? That's 80+ people standing with the staff and saying that this is also a bad decision. If the plug is pulled, I will be devastated due to the past I have with it. I've made my closest friends over this game, people who I have traveled too to meet. I hope you understand this mistake you're going to let happen if it happens at all.
Alrighty, I haven’t actually commented on the site in years, but I believe I need to add on to the disgust everyone is feeling for this notion:
Do you have any idea how many petty people are actually on FH? There have been cases where new players have been blocked by entire groups, just for watching the RP, never saying anything, never approaching, just enjoying the story.
“Mod yourself” sounds a bit more like you’re giving a group of toddlers a stick of lit dynamite each to run around with, as well as knives, scissors, and any other object that could be potentially dangerous to themselves, as well as others.
In this case, YES—by all means—babysit this community. You are a member of the staff for a reason, and I can assure you that that reason is not to give people who would definately abuse this system incentive. I can assure you that when the mods return, if this is implimented, there will be no game to return to, as many loyal members will have been banned, all because of a “test”.
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Hey man, I understand this solution may look good on the outside, but we truly do not need such a thing because it's not going to be taken care of properly. Not only is it unfair to those who suddenly get targeted for being blocked by a group of people for 'fun' but it's totally not cool to the mods who have spent so long working for FH and doing such an amazing job.
I'm not entirely sure what brought you to this conclusion, but please listen to the input of both your team (team isn't a single person in charge) and the people of FH who aren't convinced this method is the best. There's plenty of other pointers and reasons this could not be a very sufficient way of caring for the community. I'm most certainly sure that almost every game out there like this have mods for this very reason because we need them. Perhaps you could do a.... report system? Where people type into their inbox thing the exact reason they want this person banned and then it's up to your TEAM to decide the fate of a character instead of suddenly banning people who have no say in their argument. Even that seems to be a stretch, honestly, because the mods have done an outstanding job caring for the community in FH and other's have helped stop any harassment or cussing when they aren't around. This isn't something you can willly nilly set in, it's got to be cared for and agreed with by your peers.
Whether or not you listen to your community, it'd be wise to chat with your team because this is not a very good idea.
Thanks for listening to our input, and if you do decide to put this through, please make it fair. No one deserves to suddenly be kicked from a game they love and cherish over some stupid miscommunication or 'prank.' I've been on this game for years and have never had a problem with the community.
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As someone who has been apart of the community since February of 2012 and knows what it's like to moderate a large community:
This is not the way to solve any moderation issue.
This will tear the community apart completely. We all know that the FeralHeart community contains CHILDREN. This is not a 16+ community. If this happens, unnecessary bans will happen without warning because "someone said something that offended me" or "well I didn't like them" will become the sole reason of the bans. We need moderators in order to keep the community moving and to handle any issues that can get out of hand in the playerbase. They give up their time every single day to sit and watch over this community as volunteers. They are the glue in this community that keeps everyone and everything together, without them it will shatter.
Please, think about what has been said here Razmirz and reconsider this "idea", if you even call it that. This will only lead to FH's demise, trust me on this.
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I avoid the forum 110% of the time, but this is just too fun
Everyone is bringing up "how bad of an idea this is!" I'm going to be the firs to point out that Raz probably knew this was a bad idea before anyone told them. Do you really think a GM who has been in charge for longer than I have been on FH (I've been on FH a lot longer than my account would lead you to believe) would look at this and go "oh yes, this is /the/ good idea." I just don't think that would happen. It also makes no sense that Raz would not tell the mods about this if they really thought it was a good idea. Someone who thinks they have a great idea would be more than willing to share it with their subordinates. Also Raz never did say they thought it was a good idea, they said "interesting" idea.
With that being said, haven't any of you thought that Raz is probably doing this because it is a bad idea? I hate to speculate, but after such a long time of working so hard for something with little to no payback.. I would want it to end to. Why not let it tear itself apart rather than hit the button to shut it all down; leaving everyone confused as to why it stopped?
Now even though I said all of this, I really don't think anything about it is good, nor do I want FH to go away from this. I'm just pointing out that Raz probably knows all to well how bad this idea is
I hate to say this, but that pretty much voiced some of my final thoughts regarding this decision. The fact that Raz went behind the staff team's backs only goes to prove that this likely wasn't done with good intentions. Despite my current feelings for FH, I'd be disheartened if this was the way this game would go out, torn down by disrespectful people. I made a lot of good connections and memories here even with its ups and downs. I'm not gonna give up on it yet, but this is the worst setback I'll see FH face yet.
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I avoid the forum 110% of the time, but this is just too fun
Everyone is bringing up "how bad of an idea this is!" I'm going to be the firs to point out that Raz probably knew this was a bad idea before anyone told them. Do you really think a GM who has been in charge for longer than I have been on FH (I've been on FH a lot longer than my account would lead you to believe) would look at this and go "oh yes, this is /the/ good idea." I just don't think that would happen. It also makes no sense that Raz would not tell the mods about this if they really thought it was a good idea. Someone who thinks they have a great idea would be more than willing to share it with their subordinates. Also Raz never did say they thought it was a good idea, they said "interesting" idea.
With that being said, haven't any of you thought that Raz is probably doing this because it is a bad idea? I hate to speculate, but after such a long time of working so hard for something with little to no payback.. I would want it to end to. Why not let it tear itself apart rather than hit the button to shut it all down; leaving everyone confused as to why it stopped?
Now even though I said all of this, I really don't think anything about it is good, nor do I want FH to go away from this. I'm just pointing out that Raz probably knows all to well how bad this idea is
I hate to say this, but that pretty much voiced some of my final thoughts regarding this decision. The fact that Raz went behind the staff team's backs only goes to prove that this likely wasn't done with good intentions. Despite my current feelings for FH, I'd be disheartened if this was the way this game would go out, torn down by disrespectful people. I made a lot of good connections and memories here even with its ups and downs. I'm not gonna give up on it yet, but this is the worst setback I'll see FH face yet.
I agree. I'll be sad to see it go this way. Also had no idea you were around still Duckei, long time no see! I saw you left DeviantArt a little too late, so it's good to see you again.
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If anything, this community needs more moderators. I agree with everyone else's statements above, this is down right illogical. This game was mainly created for what.. Thirteen and up? but it is mainly children who reside within these servers. This block system would, as said, cause people to get banned for NO REASON AT ALL. This leads to a sour community and what happens after that? We fall apart like an old book that has been sitting on the shelf for too long.
This was once a thriving community with dedicated members and it appears we are still here. So why give up on us now?
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Okay, not gonna lie, I might be repeating someone else.
THIS ISNT A VERY GOOD IDEA
Maybe nobody sees those "jerks who like to bully other players" and I am aware we do not have a community like other games (that aren't run very well) but THEY can still be out there, there will be someone who will abuse blocking just so many innocent people will be banned, this test could cause the game to actually die, just because people only see the people who are behaving, doesn't mean that it's a free pass for us to moderate the own game by ourselves, WE STILL HAVE KIDS WHO SNITCH AND WE STILL HAVE BULLIES
People who cherish this game and even had it as their childhood could get banned for the most silliest reasons, there are even trolls.
I'm only against this decision, not anyone specifically, I really don't think it's a good choice to put this in the game, this game was my childhood (well atleast the part of my childhood where I actually acted like a kid) and I'd hate to see it suddenly run to chaos unintentionally.
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Haha. Wow.
Completely agree. Wonderful idea. Spectacular.
Can you hear my sarcasm?
FH has been a home of sorts to me for 6 years. It's gone through ups and downs and is currently sinking faster than the titanic. Let's just say Raz is Rose and boy is he hogging that door.
This is a bad Idea. Raz probably knows this. Raz probably wanted this.
Chances are that he's finished with the game and decided why not, because let's be honest. If he thought this was a genuinely good idea he would have talked to staff. He would have asked the community first which, hey look. He didn't.
I don't often vocalise my opinion on here but to see the game I've loved for literal years about to be destroyed? I had to post something.
This will be swept along with all of the other complaints but hey, that's one more person against what you're doing, Raz.
Anyone who knows me IG will not be seeing me after September 30th if this really happens. Chances are I won't be returning at all because FH will quite literally end up as a war zone because of this.
Bye~
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I guess Im gonna get banned!
So many people hate me in this game and harass me. I guess this is the final nail int he coffin. See ya FH. RIP 2011-2018
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*inhale*
ok.
*rubs hands*
aaaaaaaaaaalright.
what the hell.
is. on your mind right now?
going behind staff's back, is 1) disrespectful, 2) rash, 3) absolutely childlike. speaking of us needing supervision (which we do), but, do you? because this is just not a really good idea my friend.
if you're looking to destroy a community at least do it right.
then im not even going to speak of how simply not ok the "new banning system" is because uh - everything mentioned above. and you know what i wanted to not post because everything was being said, but you know what? i need to post to make another post worth your time of reading. listen to the freaking community if your desire is to improve and not kill the community - the home to many - off.
aight *sigh*
so let me just say this is very irrational because you should know we're all freaking kids that have enemies just like any other human being and most of us posting here are in fear of being blocked/banned because 1) we probably have enemies 2) we love the game and we have friends and people we consider family here so if you want to take that away from us,, kudos. just. kudos to you.
let me start setting your yard on fire seein how you like that.
nnnext thing
have you not noticed the player fall
well
this is going to bring it to 0
just
watch.
if that's your intention-
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mission successful.
but thennnnnnnnn, do you see the salt and anger everyone's coming here with? i mean, yeah, constructive criticism and 'pleases' but come on
seriously?
its not april 1st you're too early
i can't tell anymore whether your goal was to start a plague and ruin the game by letting people murder each other with fierce or just actually thought this was a good idea
if it was the ladder i actually hope you look at the community
if the former
honey just let someone else take over who actually wants to work with the community and make it a better place, aight?
*inhale*
thank you.
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This will make Feral Heart go down hill pretty easily.
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I know I don’t come around as often as I had, but I do try and catch up with the community every now and then out of my own interest and care for the place that gave me so many wonderful memories and experiences. This thread was the last thing I wanted to see.
I don’t understand, Raz.
I don’t understand your reason for this new implementation. I can’t wrap my head around the logic behind it, either. As much as I would like to give our player base the benefit of the doubt when it comes to self-moderation, I can guarantee you your expectations will not be met, especially when the community consists of a younger generation. This system of yours will end up being abused, people will block others for no apparent reason just because they can, and what does the other end receive? An unfair, unjustified ban. There are pages upon pages on this thread of user posts that all share the same opinions, and I have to agree with them that this is not the best idea nor is it a great way to handle whatever might have upset you (which I can only assume after such an irrational decision). The fact you hadn’t consulted with the rest of the staff team also upsets me to no extent.
I expected better from you, Razmirz.
It hurts me to see that players are now afraid to even log into the game while this system is in place. Please don’t do this to the game. Don’t do this to the community. Don’t replace the hardworking staff team with your faulty system. Don’t ruin the game that had such a crucial part in my (and I’m certain many other’s) life. Don’t do this for your own reasons or because you simply have the power to do so. None of us can do anything except ask kindly that you don’t go through with it.
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Jesus what happened in the span of 6 months I didn't check here.
Like holy crap. Rip the game. This totally won't be abused to get random users banned because they "hurt mah feeeeeelings" or something.
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>:( Raz.. How dumb can you be? this is a really really bad idea.. and look at the members.. they want the game to stay.. and so do i.. But you ruin the fun not only for me.. for many more players that joined this game/community to find friends and have a good time.. But look you ruin this.. And you need a staff team.. they are there to help not to ruin.. But we ALL fight for this game.. Do you really think this is a good idea?! seriously Raz I am admin of a site/group and not even i dose this to my members because i know how WRONG it is... Sure all have bad days/time.. but please Raz do not take it out over the players/community.. that is not right. There is many people i might dislike.. but i accept them because they are a part of the game/community.. and so are you.. but what you are doing is WRONG.
Thanks for me.
~Electra
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I feel like this is a poorly made hasty decision, even if you intend to improve the way it works further down the line. A community such as ours does not deserve to be treated like lab rats.
While your self moderating idea may have good intentions, this is not the right way or the just way to go about implementing it either, especially if you did not consult or run it by any of the other team members. There is no I in Team!
The FH community has its ups and downs yes, it has its responsible people who will not abuse the self moderating power, but it also has a large amount of petty people who will undoubtedly abuse it in its fullest potential.
Countries have governments for reasons, because groups of people cant actually be trusted to be safe and responsible enough to govern themselves with out it all turning into complete anarchy. The same can be said for why games require moderators, even top games have staff teams that watch over things to make sure everything remains fair.
So please stop the madness here before it even begins.
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As someone who has stuck with FH like glue for the past 5 years, I have never expected something like this would happen. Since everyone here has basically said what was on my mind from the beginning, I'd like to make this short. I'm going to be brutally honest with you here Raz, but this is by far the worst idea I have ever seen. By doing this, not only are you going to have countless people upset about this new feature, but there are obviously going to be people abusing this and everything is going to go into literal havoc. It's for sure crystal clear at this point. Again, I'm not sure if this is what you really want, though it probably even is. You've said that everything was going to be fine when this update gets released but you have it all wrong. I'm sorry to say this but I am siding against you on this. I'm deeply disappointed in what you have caused.
But to the fellow FH members out there, I would like to say that we should all cooperate with one another and remain calm no matter how bad the situation can get. You guys are honestly like family to me and if this feature officially gets added, I hope that the innocent people of this game are not getting banned for nothing. Love y'all from the bottom of my heart~ <3
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As someone who considers themselves a veteran of this game, (my new account cannot tell you I've been on this game since 2011-2012), this is truly unfortunate.
This game has been through quite a lot, and the community itself has been tossed through hoops. We've lost general chat, we went through the hacking ordeal, and now we face a new challenge, and it's present in the face of the Game Master themselves.
To not consult your own staff team about your decision? Idiotic.
To not allow them to post the progress on the patch? Idiotic.
To not allow them any sort of voice in whatever is going on in your head? Oh, did I say idiotic?
Sure, we can sit here and play devil's advocate and pretend this is all sunshine and rainbows and that maybe, 0.000001% of this system will work, but it won't. This is not a matter of opinion, if I'm being quite frank. You have upset an entire community, new and old. People who haven't been on the game in months, or even years, are now upset at you. People who still play the game are mad at you.
You know, if you accomplished one nice thing through this, it was bringing together the community to protest on the matter of your foolish decision. This is the most I've seen the community band together in a long, long time. It actually brought a smile to my face despite the situation. So for that, I give you a thumbs up. For the rest of this? Lol, you better not be expecting a pat on the back, buddy.
I've been on the game many, many years. This game was my childhood. I've made memories on here I will never forget. I made friendships here that will last a lifetime. I've met people from this game in real life, and I've made and formed relationships with people I thought was unlikely. Due to the decline in activity on the game, it's been a struggle to see it as active as it once was. However now, whatever hope was left stranded, you have butchered. You have thrown the community a flotation device amidst the mast sea, and right when people were starting to grab on, you yanked back and laughed in their faces as if to show them a lesson for something they didn't do wrong. The community is now drowning thanks to your endeavors. Congrats.
I'm disappointed, and everyone likely covered the fact that this idea is heinous and ridiculous, but I'm here to say it over, and over, and over again until it sticks in your head. I hope you're happy Raz, because I think you just opened a can of worms you won't be able to close. Whether or not you did it willingly, I guess we will never know.
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Not going to restate what others have said, but this is an incredibly poor decision. I can assume some passive aggressive motives to this, as the staff system is very often criticized. This is not the solution to that problem.
While I do honestly agree with many of the criticisms directed at the way the game is moderated; Feralheart stands out from other games in the fact that its staff are so involved in the community. They are real people that you can talk to and get to know and understand not as moderators or admins, but as friends and members of the community. While a person's judgement may be flawed or biased, an algorithm cannot process context or circumstance. In any community with a report system, the system will undoubtedly be abused in some way, via false accounts or frivolous reasons for the conflict. If a person being blocked results in a ban, players who will take advantage of the system can remove others from the game for no reason other than that they will it.
It also takes away the block button's function in the first place. Sometimes people won't be breaking a rule. They may just be annoying you or saying something you'd rather not read. Non-bannable offenses such as these are meant to be solved by simply ending the interaction. Now, this means that these offenses will result in a ban.
I am not active in this community anymore, but I do hold this game dear to my heart. Please do not send the already depleting game quicker to its death.
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this is a really bad and stupid decision. your lack of communication to your staff members is despicable.
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Oh, oh dear. This may as well devolve into a giant mess.
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Well this went downhill quickly O.O
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I just so happened to crawl out from under my rock, which is known as college, to connect with a few of my online buddies and one of them had shared this with me.
I am truly distraught with grief.
Honestly, I feel the weight of responsibility of taking care of this game has become too great for you, Raz. And in your rash decisions, have decided to rid yourself of the responsibility of recruiting, training, and maintaining a staff team and let the members simply fight for survival in this new block’n’ban fast food joint. If you wanted to retire, just say it.
We aren’t stupid when it comes to seeing that this plan will utterly fail- if we can even call this a plan. Blocking someone doesn’t always mean their doing something wrong, and I doubt you have some high-tech AI that can differentiate between these sorts of situations. People will have the authority to ban people, simply by blocking them or getting enough people to do so. The fact that you’re not elaborating on this gives me the implication that I’m on the right track.
This is a lazy way of saying “I’m done doing my job.” Which, in the span of these past years, hasn’t involved much of your actual presence. It has been the staff team that has been the face of authority on much, if not almost all, problems. You come and go, and rarely post anything. I think this is the first I’ve seen of you posting anything of actual importance in a long, long time. And the fact that you haven’t responded to a single post on this thread or even added on explaining the reasons behind this, really says something about your intentions for this experiment.
This idea is disrespectful to the player base, the staff team, and your reputation. It lacks any sort of actual signs that you care about the game and it’s so terribly flawed that it shouldn’t have even been considered in the first place.
If this is where you want to go with the game, then perhaps it’s time that you gave the keys over to someone who has the time to put more effort in managing the game and its happenings.
For the community of this game, I ask that you take a second look at what you’re doing.
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Dear Razmirz,
Though I don't necessarily disagree with the idea of self-moderation, I must say your method of implementation is inherently flawed. You are assuming that when people block, rules must be broken somewhere. However, this simply is not true. If you had spent more time in-game, perhaps you would have seen some of the zaney reasons users block others; howling, having bright pelts, reducing lag, sometimes people even do it because they are bored, et cetra, et cetra. You may be using an automated system, but I highly doubt it can anticipate such reasons behind blocking, not to mention some fraction of users refuse to block even the rule breakers.
Also, if we are going by the idea of self-moderation, I want you to look at this thread. Look at every post. The community does not want this. I must ask, why do you want this? If you are giving us the power to decide who is banned and who is not, let us decide, by majority of opinion, want we want in the game, within reason. Frankly, I find the emergence of this feature to be quite conceited, and it makes me wonder more, if the rumours about you and KovuLKD are true. I can only hope that you will recant this decision before damage is done to the community, with no means of mending.
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Well, you know what? If these are our last days as a community, then may I just say that it's been splendid knowing you all, and I wish you all nothing but good fortunes ahead.
I also think that this is the most active I've seen the forum in years... Some people who haven't been on in years have come to comment on this thread.
Safe travels everyone.
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Listen I haven’t posted here in y e a r s but I still check up on this game’s progress, because you know what? It’s dear to my heart. This is one of the first online communities I joined and it helped begin my journey to becoming who I am today and getting where I am today.
But now FeralHeart kind of feels like a joke?
Not the entire community, obviously, and not the entire staff team - I must say, by the way, your failure to even discuss something like this with them? That’s outright laughable. Nice job at being an administrator, I suppose?
This is a bigger community full of younger people. They need someone to moderate them; with around two-hundred players online a day you can’t just sit back and let them do whatever they’d like, because not all of them are trustworthy. Plus, you have staff here to be staff. I’m pretty sure they want the job, or otherwise they’d quit?
If anything, Raz, your way of handling FH is just...shameful, honestly. Hell, you may even just be posting this thread as a ‘community experiment’ to get some laughs, who knows? But suggesting something like this is, clearly, going to cause an uproar. Not because of the suggestion alone, but because of how you so nonchalantly throw the idea itself forward.
It makes FeralHeart seem like a joke rather than one of the most popular online MMORPGs out there, don’t you think? I, for one, would think an admin would want their game to succeed and that they would put every inch of effort into it.
If you ain’t gonna handle things the way they need to be handled, maybe you need to retire.
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I agree. I grew up with FeralHeart and never hoped in a million years to see such a thing happen. The nostalgia and attachment I feel to this game is too real to put into words. And I met a ton of good friends (and continue to) here. I remember coming home from elementary school to play this game. Is this what Kovu would have wanted? A complete disaster? Even with the answer being yes. He left the game. Kudos to all the staff for the hard work they are doing. And to Raz. I have a simple question.
Why?
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To Raz,
I've been on FeralHeart for six years, and have seen the game through a lot of ups and downs. Not once have I posted on the forums to my knowledge, but this has drawn me out. Not only to support the staff team, but to also ask why this happened and what led to this decision.
I understand that you own the servers, and that at the end of the day, you pay for this game to exist. But if you have no interest in it, or its community, any longer, then why not try to find a way to hand it off to people who can and are willing to manage it? Perhaps I'm reading into things, but it seems to me like you simply don't want to deal with the FH community anymore. And I understand that, I really do. It can be tiring to deal with. But this is a terrible idea, and if you're really that tired of being in charge and letting the staff team do their jobs and help this community, then find a means of handing it off maturely and peacefully.
I honestly can't understand the logic behind this choice other than wanting to see people get angry and suffer. And that's no way to run a community, let alone live a life. But I hope you reconsider. For the staff team, and for the community as a whole.
-- RoloWagon, aka Badge
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Everything that I wanted to say has already been said by others.
If you want to know how to kill a community, this is the way to do it. 10/10.
The first principle of managing a community is communicating. You do not go behind the community's back to implement "surprises" that you think they'd like. You especially do NOT go behind your own staff's backs to implement said "surprises" who have had YOUR back when you're unable to physically be a part of that community to manage it.
I'm disgusted. I was disgusted by general chat's removal without that communication with the community, but I'm especially disgusted by the fact that you may have thought in any way that this was a good idea. Did you honestly expect positive feedback from having absolute anarchy within the game?
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I've never seen a proper, functioning game not have moderators.
Feral Heart is extremely special to the entire community still dedicated to it. I like many others have been trying very hard to adjust to the new version of it because I want to still see this game prosper with a new generation that will hopefully make it better. Removing moderation would do the opposite of that. There's no doubt people would abuse the ban system just because they didn't like someone. It's a very bad idea.
We appreciate you working hard to keep the game alive, but this is certainly not the way to do it.
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raz if you literally look at all this feedback from your community and still choose not to listen.......
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I avoid the forum 110% of the time, but this is just too fun
Everyone is bringing up "how bad of an idea this is!" I'm going to be the firs to point out that Raz probably knew this was a bad idea before anyone told them. Do you really think a GM who has been in charge for longer than I have been on FH (I've been on FH a lot longer than my account would lead you to believe) would look at this and go "oh yes, this is /the/ good idea." I just don't think that would happen. It also makes no sense that Raz would not tell the mods about this if they really thought it was a good idea. Someone who thinks they have a great idea would be more than willing to share it with their subordinates. Also Raz never did say they thought it was a good idea, they said "interesting" idea.
With that being said, haven't any of you thought that Raz is probably doing this because it is a bad idea? I hate to speculate, but after such a long time of working so hard for something with little to no payback.. I would want it to end to. Why not let it tear itself apart rather than hit the button to shut it all down; leaving everyone confused as to why it stopped?
Now even though I said all of this, I really don't think anything about it is good, nor do I want FH to go away from this. I'm just pointing out that Raz probably knows all to well how bad this idea is
I'm
Rolling over here haha!
I've been on FH since I was about 14-15 years of age (let's say around 2011-2012; this might be the right or wrong account HAHA!) and I've not once posted on a forum for anything (I think?) so this might be my first C'8
I agree right here that with how long Raz has been here, most likely they already know its a terrible idea, but as stated it was never suggested as a 'good' idea. Such in all truth, it's interesting on its own, but most likely will end in chaos and ruins. Such is how the game might end? Who knows!
If somehow it ends the way it is...WHELP it happened 8'D
But we as the people can make the changes right?
Well its up to everyone and their choice
Mine right now? To sit back and watch the bombs fly c'8
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I haven’t gotten on this game in a very long time but... this is just sad. The worst part is you didn’t even contact your staff team on this. Ridiculous. A terrible decision. It’s not going to solve anything.
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so was breaking the game your goal or
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This is absolutely outrageous. I can't believe I'm waking up to this. In the almost 7 years I've played this game, this is the most disappointing thing I've ever seen happen. Please reconsider your actions and maybe listen to everyone here. FH is going to go into chaos if you make this choice. This game went from being a safe haven for many users, to a place they now fear. It's very devastating. Please, stop this nonsense.
We will never stop fighting for justice with this.
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I haven't posted on this forum in a while... in fact i really only go on here to peek at some mods but i saw this when i was logging into the page and just had to check it out. Quite frankly i'm disgusted at this decision.
People can and will abuse the block = autoban system. People can literally get banned for no reason at all this way if someone decides to be a troll and block random innocent players who just want nothing more but to socialize, explore and roleplay (which is the general purpose of this game. who would want to get banned out of the blue when they did nothing wrong?)
another thing is that none of the staff have been contacted about this and they have absolutely no say in it, thats just wrong and unfair. If someone is making a decision that involves a group of people, that specific group of people have to be notified about it so they can have their say. Games have moderators for a reason: To keep things in order. I don't recall World of Warcraft or literally any other MMO having a self-governed moderating system. They all have staff teams that are meant to do their job and keep everything in order and make sure everyone follows the rules.
As Sigyrn said, this is quite disappointing. I've only been here for 3 years but thats long enough to know how this game has worked in the past
That's my two cents. While i'm afraid i cant do much, i guess i'll just have to sit back and watch what happens.
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this ain't it chief
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Raz, just don't do this. It will only make things worse just like the removal of general. I was having a great day and then I see... This? This has made my day upsetting and sad, and do you even think this is fair!? I can imagine somebody waiting days for registration to open and then they finally register and then they go into the game... Poof, there account is banned for no reason! This is absolutely not a good thing to do. It's making people scared to even log in now, and that is just dreadful to see. Stop this immediately, Raz. I don't know what triggered this idea but it is not fair one bit. I have worked so hard to get to where I am today in FeralHeart. This is absolutely sad to see you do this to us, Raz. I really hope you change your mind about all of this.
EDIT: I read this over and I apologize I if I sounded rude but it just makes me sad and angry to see this happening.
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this could effect most of the players, people block people if they don't like them. I don't agree with this either. what if it emptied the entire game eventually?
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I want to precede this note by stating that I happened upon this update to the game by chance. I watch the FH art group on DA, and noticed the announcement made in regards to this proposed idea.
First off, I’d like to recommend that other members of the game and forum not insult or draw any negativity towards Razmirz for this concept he introduced. In spite of personal emotions and opinions held towards this entire ordeal, please keep in mind that he is and has been the server master of the game for years upon years. Even before Feralheart began, his support has kept this community running for longer than most of anyone can even remember. I do not support this idea, but I hate to see petty insults and further aggression thrown around, those of which only perpetuate bad vibes and dramatic circumstances that can otherwise be avoided if this were regarded with level heads and thoughtful, respectful conversation. In other words, keep it mature and constructive if you can.
With that being said, I would like to request the same to be presented to the Feralheart community and the working moderation staff from Razmirz himself. I - along with the community I’m sure - am not yet aware of what instigated this decision. Everything I’ve picked up is from reading this announcement and studying the responses of the staff and the players. If I’m understanding this situation correctly, Razmirz wishes to rid the game of the moderation staff for a month as some sort of trial - a conclusion which he came to without consulting the rest of the staff. While the concept could be presented and judged externally on its own if this were an isolated predicament, the latter part of that observation is what concerns me. From the eyes of the outside community, Razmirz is a prevalent member of the staff team. Maybe not as social or interactive as others, but he is the reason this game is running. Therefore, having made such a drastic decision without consent from the rest of the staff team is a questionable move at best. As such, I can only imagine there’s some sort of personal rift that the rest of the community is suffering for, unbeknownst to them.
For a game such as Feralheart, communication between the staff and the players is key. Participation, activity, open-mindedness and open words -- that’s what keeps everything knit together. That is what has kept the game running for so long - or at least, that’s what I’ve perceived as an outsider looking in for the past several years. The lack of communication from arguably the most significant and relied upon member of the staff team is concerning, no matter how you look at it. The discourse brought on as the aftermath of this proposal has been handled rather well by the rest of the staff, and I’d like to give them my respect and commendation to every one of them, solely for the fact that they are reaching out to the players, expressing their feelings over this, and working for hours upon hours of well earned personal time to settle the panic that arose moments after this announcement dropped.
So with that, I’d like to ask Raz something that I’m certain is on everyone’s minds: why make this decision? Is there a legitimate reason? You cannot rely on an explanation such as, ‘It’s what LKD wanted’. After nearly 8 years of this game being live and him being absent, if LKD’s wishes were truly what motivated you, you would have done something much, much sooner. I also call this argument into question; as someone who became a mod at the beginning of Fearlheart, I’m certain LKD had other mods in mind at the time before things changed up. I cannot say for sure, but I’m not about to believe he was truly going to rely on no mods, period. Regardless, I can only assume there’s something more personal that’s driving you to do this. It's not a trial just to test the waters, either. You’re smart; surely you know how this was going to be perceived by everyone - players and staff alike. There’s no way this would be taken seriously or positively by anyone - not even yourself.
As for the decision to remove moderators, even for as little as a month: I don’t believe it’s a good OR interesting concept, no. I have no read on the community these days, but with anything on the internet you can’t actually expect self-moderation and bans dispensed with blocking to go over well. Perhaps with a new community comprised of fewer, trusted, more mature members, it could work. But Feralheart has been going for ages, and changing the moderation mechanic so drastically on a whim for an entire month would never, ever work out well. Sure, it’s functional, but barely. It shows disregard for the community itself to take away the very people working to provide a kind and open atmosphere and fighting to keep it safe. It shows disregard for your moderation staff to make this decision that affects the role that they have willfully volunteered for.
I no longer work for or play this game actively, so perhaps what I’m saying doesn’t have much weight. However, as the old co-administrator for this community, as well as a contributor to the creation of the game itself, I want the Feralheart moderation staff and the game community to know that I disagree with this. I believe this choice reflects badly on the server master and the game itself. I sympathize with the staff for having to clean up the mess dumped in front of them without warning. I apologize as a former administrator to the members who are caught in the crossfire.
Razmirz, I ask that you think about this further before actually taking action. I truly have no idea if my words - or anyone else's, player and staff aline - will actually reach you. This decision, if driven by personal feelings, is irrational. It’s not right, and I think you know that. I ask, before anything else, that you communicate with the staff - for the good of this game that you have worked so hard to maintain for years. Do you really want it all to end up being for nothing? If you wish to no longer run the server, could you not consider more mature and reasonable routes of action?
Feralheart moderation staff, I would recommend that you begin looking into alternatives. Feralheart’s community is strong and kind, and so are you. If this server becomes unreliable, try to find another server. Take this into your own hands if the time comes. I wouldn’t want anyone to give up hope on Razmirz completely, but the players of your game have made it clear that they do not like this decision, and they want to keep playing the game as it is. Be prepared to protect what’s at stake.
All in all, I truly hope that everything works out in the end. I don’t believe this will be the end of Feralheart. This is a huge bump in the road, but as I’ve said: this community is strong. It may take time to get things going more solidly again after such a scare, but hang in there.
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Welp xD This was an interesting post to come across before returning to the land of the interwebs!
Personally, I don't think it's a good idea...like, at all pff. I can see this is going to give some of the younger, more immature players lots of fuel and ammo to ban whoever they have something against, if I'm understanding the process of this correctly. Due to them being young and irrational, they cannot see the outcome and chaos of their actions, and they will end up banning basically, well, to over-exaggerating here, everyone. Soon they'll think they're "all that" and get on a high horse, blah blah blah, you know the rest. So overall not a good idea from what is obviously apparent with this proposal.
We'll see where this takes us, yeah? Either one of three things will happen, I'm gonna guess. One; everything will be fine, and nothing will happen, two; this will, somehow work? Leading to be implemented into the game, or, three; everything will go down in flames. Who knows what else will happen.
If anything, I think, Raz, you should communicate more with the staff and everyone before throwing something like this out willy-nilly. Buut, we'll see. Hope you've not blown a gasket up there in your head! All said lightheartedly pff.
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I agree with eveything Delay has said. Insulting Razmirz won't make a difference to the situation, and he is still the Server master of this beloved game. Raz, think wisely before making this decision and maybe consult with the staffers about it. I've respected the decisions you've made up until this one, because it's not a logical thing to do, but you can change that. There has to be some way that you can go about this maturely. The public have spoken and I think you should listen. I'd like to be behind you with this, but I can't be, it's irrational and very sudden. You have a large community full of dedicated and kind users, who will fight until the end for this, as well as a game that they all enjoy. Don't take it for granted, or throw it all away because of one bad decision.
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As a long time player (2011-ish) who's made a lot of enemies in this game, I'm unlikely to touch the game for a very long time.
I can see two ways this system will go...
Either everyone will go on a block-a-thon and 50+ users out of the 150-200 will get hit by the banhammer. (Myself included.)
Or, the block feature will never be used ever again and the game will become completely unmoderated with everyone doing what they want without fearing repercussions from the mods.
All and all, everyone else has said everything first. It's gonna be abused, users will be banned without breaking any rules, people will scream, and the game will self destruct. Pity, but that is what bad decisions do. I'm pretty sure it'll be added anyways, given how rash decisions were added as 'trials' anyways. The removal of General, the login tab after the hacking incident, the sudden decision to remove all of the old maps that made Feralheart what it was. So brace yourselves, fellow FHers. We're in for quite a show this October. Personally, I'll be watching the user count. Let's see if we reach an all time low.
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Everyone else has said my thoughts already, but is this just some passive-aggressive way to get back at all the people who have had complaints about the FH staff over the years? Because this is not at all what anyone wanted. This isn't a compromise or a solution.
I don't think this decision was thought out at all. Though based on Feralheart's track record of spontaneous decisions without any prior input from the community, I guess I shouldn't be surprised. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Not much else to say at this point.
Exactly what I thought.
Everything has an end but if this means the end of FH then idk man that'll kinda suck!! Thank you Razmirz very cool
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I don't understand and I am scared. :)
Maybe he is trying to bring all these old members back by grabbing their attention? Maybe this is his breaking point? Tired of the game? A prank? Who knows. We'd better enjoy September while it lasts! I know I haven't gotten online in a while but this is making me want to run out and stay on it all day until October 1st comes around.
Is this FH's purge? Like "For the next (month) all crime is legal." Gonna be fighting to survive lol
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After going through and reading everything I admit...I am not very fond with the distasteful words and images done toward Raz.
He may be server master, but he also counts as a Staff member who's words should be considered. I admit I may not agree with
the idea he has, but the main word we all need to pay attention to is the fact he did say this was going to be a TRIAL. There
is no harm in there being a trial, and he did mention if it turns out to go belly up extremely fast then he would stop the trial early.
I am sure he is still thinking of what is best for this game, but he is also doing what he can to see if it can become better. Ideas
shouldn't be shot down or insulted. Only listened to, and have a proper discussion about. All the negative comments will end
up doing is making Raz infuriated with the member base or even make him more than likely want to backhand chibi versions of
for being so rude to him. We should give him our respect and the benefit of the doubt when it comes to his ideas that he thinks up.
If it was not for Raz this game would not be running, and more than likely we wouldn't have that log-in safety feature he added in back
when the game got taken over by trolls. He does his best, and all we can do is give him our feedback.
Raz, I can see where you are definitely coming from but I do feel you are giving the young ones in the community too much trust.
Yes, some younglings are responsible and would not abuse this power, but there are a decent amount who would abuse it. Also
we can't truly trust some in every age group. In my years of knowing people there are a lot of petty people out there. Some enjoy trolling
when given the power to do so, and some just don't quite understand how things are done. Either way as much as this could be a possible good idea
I feel for now the community and member base is not ready for it. Though my biggest suggestion is to first talk with your fellow staff on it, and find out
what they feel on your idea. Maybe you all can come up with something together you can all agree on.
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After going through and reading everything I admit...I am not very fond with the distasteful words and images done toward Raz.
He may be server master, but he also counts as a Staff member who's words should be considered. I admit I may not agree with
the idea he has, but the main word we all need to pay attention to is the fact he did say this was going to be a TRIAL. There
is no harm in there being a trial, and he did mention if it turns out to go belly up extremely fast then he would stop the trial early.
I am sure he is still thinking of what is best for this game, but he is also doing what he can to see if it can become better. Ideas
shouldn't be shot down or insulted. Only listened to, and have a proper discussion about. All the negative comments will end
up doing is making Raz infuriated with the member base or even make him more than likely want to backhand chibi versions of
for being so rude to him. We should give him our respect and the benefit of the doubt when it comes to his ideas that he thinks up.
If it was not for Raz this game would not be running, and more than likely we wouldn't have that log-in safety feature he added in back
when the game got taken over by trolls. He does his best, and all we can do is give him our feedback.
Raz, I can see where you are definitely coming from but I do feel you are giving the young ones in the community too much trust.
Yes, some younglings are responsible and would not abuse this power, but there are a decent amount who would abuse it. Also
we can't truly trust some in every age group. In my years of knowing people there are a lot of petty people out there. Some enjoy trolling
when given the power to do so, and some just don't quite understand how things are done. Either way as much as this could be a possible good idea
I feel for now the community and member base is not ready for it. Though my biggest suggestion is to first talk with your fellow staff on it, and find out
what they feel on your idea. Maybe you all can come up with something together you can all agree on.
you're completely missing the fact that he didn't talk to the staff team at all about this. does it come off kinda shady?
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After going through and reading everything I admit...I am not very fond with the distasteful words and images done toward Raz.
He may be server master, but he also counts as a Staff member who's words should be considered. I admit I may not agree with
the idea he has, but the main word we all need to pay attention to is the fact he did say this was going to be a TRIAL. There
is no harm in there being a trial, and he did mention if it turns out to go belly up extremely fast then he would stop the trial early.
I am sure he is still thinking of what is best for this game, but he is also doing what he can to see if it can become better. Ideas
shouldn't be shot down or insulted. Only listened to, and have a proper discussion about. All the negative comments will end
up doing is making Raz infuriated with the member base or even make him more than likely want to backhand chibi versions of
for being so rude to him. We should give him our respect and the benefit of the doubt when it comes to his ideas that he thinks up.
If it was not for Raz this game would not be running, and more than likely we wouldn't have that log-in safety feature he added in back
when the game got taken over by trolls. He does his best, and all we can do is give him our feedback.
Raz, I can see where you are definitely coming from but I do feel you are giving the young ones in the community too much trust.
Yes, some younglings are responsible and would not abuse this power, but there are a decent amount who would abuse it. Also
we can't truly trust some in every age group. In my years of knowing people there are a lot of petty people out there. Some enjoy trolling
when given the power to do so, and some just don't quite understand how things are done. Either way as much as this could be a possible good idea
I feel for now the community and member base is not ready for it. Though my biggest suggestion is to first talk with your fellow staff on it, and find out
what they feel on your idea. Maybe you all can come up with something together you can all agree on.
you're completely missing the fact that he didn't talk to the staff team at all about this. does it come off kinda shady?
I did address it in my passage, but it was further down in my message.
I do know him not really talking to them about it was kind of a bad choice on his part, but it is not our right to really
be cruel to him in return for it. Shady? I wouldn't say it was a shady choice. I would just say it was a lapse in judgement
or something that slipped his mind. We as a community do have to realize he more than likely doesn't get to discuss what
happens to this game too often. As was stated in a previous message by an old staffer. He is a server master. Someone who
keeps this game running and nothing more. That's not entirely true. He appears on the Staff, and his ideas should be
considered. That I feel was a bit mean to say to this man who takes time out of his life to keep this game running for us
without a word of thanks. I admit his idea should of been discussed with the other staff, but all this post is was him asking us
what we thought and to test out an idea he had. It's him testing things. He won't let it get out of control, and if it does it
will more than likely be a lesson learned on his part. I don't feel disappointed in him or see him as any less for what he did.
It's just him trying to make his own form of contribution to things.
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I did address it in my passage, but it was further down in my message.
I do know him not really talking to them about it was kind of a bad choice on his part, but it is not our right to really
be cruel to him in return for it. Shady? I wouldn't say it was a shady choice. I would just say it was a lapse in judgement
or something that slipped his mind. We as a community do have to realize he more than likely doesn't get to discuss what
happens to this game too often. As was stated in a previous message by an old staffer. He is a server master. Someone who
keeps this game running and nothing more. That's not entirely true. He appears on the Staff, and his ideas should be
considered. That I feel was a bit mean to say to this man who takes time out of his life to keep this game running for us
without a word of thanks. I admit his idea should of been discussed with the other staff, but all this post is was him asking us
what we thought and to test out an idea he had. It's him testing things. He won't let it get out of control, and if it does it
will more than likely be a lesson learned on his part. I don't feel disappointed in him or see him as any less for what he did.
It's just him trying to make his own form of contribution to things.
thinking raz will actually listen and cooperate with us is expecting too much from him tbh.
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thinking raz will actually listen and cooperate with us is expecting too much from him tbh.
Now I feel saying that is a bit too harsh on this man.
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I did address it in my passage, but it was further down in my message.
I do know him not really talking to them about it was kind of a bad choice on his part, but it is not our right to really
be cruel to him in return for it. Shady? I wouldn't say it was a shady choice. I would just say it was a lapse in judgement
or something that slipped his mind. We as a community do have to realize he more than likely doesn't get to discuss what
happens to this game too often. As was stated in a previous message by an old staffer. He is a server master. Someone who
keeps this game running and nothing more. That's not entirely true. He appears on the Staff, and his ideas should be
considered. That I feel was a bit mean to say to this man who takes time out of his life to keep this game running for us
without a word of thanks. I admit his idea should of been discussed with the other staff, but all this post is was him asking us
what we thought and to test out an idea he had. It's him testing things. He won't let it get out of control, and if it does it
will more than likely be a lesson learned on his part. I don't feel disappointed in him or see him as any less for what he did.
It's just him trying to make his own form of contribution to things.
I don't particularly see anything about him asking us for our input on the idea. It's more of a "I'm doing this", with no further explanation. Nothing about how this idea came about has been explained. Even the staff are concerned at how this could be problematic. I trust the staff, and Raz, but this idea seems rather risky. I think the community are just afraid that this may cause a bump in the road for the game. They even mentioned the cancellation of any parties, so it's an unfortunate situation that has upset a lot of users.
He asks if we think that the in-game community needs babysitting, but I wouldn't say that. It's to keep things balanced, just like how we have authorities in the real world. The staff are there for a reason, and they've done a fantastic job with keeping everything steady.
Although this is happening, I think we all need to band together and stay positive. There's no use in arguing about it.
thinking raz will actually listen and cooperate with us is expecting too much from him tbh.
Now I feel saying that is a bit too harsh on this man.
This is being said because of past experiences, there has been a lot of silence from Raz since the last update. I don't expect people to have high hopes with it all due to that silence and his responses to our reactions, but it's always good to do so. Just have a little bit of faith that this will get sorted out.
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This is such a horrible thing to wake up to.
I've been playing this game since '12. It's become like a second home to me.
I very much dislike this idea, as do several others.
Several people on Feral-Heart are immature & will do anything & everything to get under each other's skin. I wish that this was not true, but, in reality, it very much is. Feral-Heart's main audience is children/younger teens.
You're giving them way too much power.
I'm nervous to even log into the game. Not that I believe anyone has a personal vendetta against me, but this system is silly.
I'm also very disappointed that you did not even confer with the staff team.
Please listen to your community. Don't do this.
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thinking raz will actually listen and cooperate with us is expecting too much from him tbh.
Now I feel saying that is a bit too harsh on this man.
it was his responsibility to discuss this idea with the rest of the team and not completely throw them under the bus. there's a lot more to this as well, including not allowing the next patch to become available.
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I guess turning Feral-Heart into a battle-royale is one way to end the game.
On a more serious note, i don't see how you would expect this mechanic to steer anyone or anything towards progress and positivity, but rather, towards total inactivity.
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He who commits injustice is ever made more wretched than he who suffers it.
- Plato
For your own sake Razmirz, do not go through with this. See reason and perhaps redeem some of your respect.
The community will always resist this kind of injustice, for you are not fixing a problem, but creating a bigger one.
No matter how much you believe in people, if that is even in the background of this, a system like this will be abused, possibly even accidentally. People always need rules and righteous people to withhold them, for we are not even near perfect. This does not mean that we want a dictatorship into which your rule is quickly forming into, we want a democracy. You were wrong to go past the other staff.
A program cannot moderate the game, it's a faulty solution.
Even if you call it a short trial, you need to understand how quickly so many things can go wrong. In merely a day, you could destroy the entire game and its community. Before you have even implemented this change, people are already leaving in protest and in fear of suffering at the hands of this injustice.
And when you stand at the burning ruins of this game, hoping to fix this, you will have no way of knowing which of the bans were 'justified' and which were not. Let the moderators do their work, and if you have a problem with the way they are doing it, start there. Don't paste another problem on the issue like it were a piece of tape on a cracked pipe. It will not hold. It will not work.
Regarding the patch, it is something that many good folks in the community have worked very hard on. You have no right to block its implementation into the game by yourself. If you are uncertain of what the people want, let them vote. Don't be a dictator.
To the community:
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Fight for what is right, don't let it be too late.
Feral Heart is a unique game, don't let these injustices kill it.
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Before you have even implemented this change, people are already leaving in protest and in fear of suffering at the hands of this injustice.
I would like to add onto this, there has been a rumor going around with some people that this post / news has reached some people whom despise FH, and are waiting for it to be implemented as it will be easily taken advantage of.
Dont hold me to it, idk if it’s actually true.
It’s just some things i heard.
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Before you have even implemented this change, people are already leaving in protest and in fear of suffering at the hands of this injustice.
I would like to add onto this, there has been a rumor going around with some people that this post / news has reached some people whom despise FH, and are waiting for it to be implemented as it will be easily taken advantage of.
Dont hold me to it, idk if it’s actually true.
It’s just some things i heard.
I wouldn't be surprised. The implementation of this system would make Feral Heart a very easy target for those who want to hurt the game.
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What we need is communication, and Raz basically came in like "hey guys we're doing this" and then left.
I get that there could be changes, but we still need to know how this system will work! We can't just go in with blind faith when its such a faulty concept.
It really is shady. To not even consult the staff, basically taking their jobs, and then not even respond to the backlash and protest? Not even to defend himself or to reassure people at least? He was ingame earlier and I've heard no word of him speaking to anyone. Its a huge red flag for someone in charge of so much to be silent and reclusive. This is an utter mess that could have been avoided had there been some basic communication. Though, I suppose, thanks for the heads up, at least? I guess? Its not enough.
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Oh, wow....
Now, I almost never post in the forums but I'm a FH veteran who's been here since '12, and I honestly have to say this is probably the worst decision I've seen regarding this game.
I've met so many wonderful people and made memories that I'll continue to recall fondly for the rest of my life, and I hope to make many more here as well. Even if I was at times immature and overly goofy back when I was more well-known here, this game and the friends I made because of it were like an anchor when I was going through difficult times. Even if this isn't the most fantastic, mind-blowing game in the world, it's so so dear to my heart.
Please reconsider this decision, Raz! Communicate with your staff and trust them- that's what they're there for.
And to everyone- I love all of you so much. This community means so much more to me than many would believe, and I appreciate what everyone here has done for me over the many many years I've been a part of it. <3
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Deleted my post from before to make a new one.
This is such a awful idea. This could very well kill the community... Why would you think this was a good idea at all?
The entire community is against this idea heavily, as it CAN and WILL be abused.
I really hope this is just a joke.
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I don't think this is exactly a good idea. There's people that will probably abuse this, and that's really not a risk worth taking. Please reconsider this idea, this whole thing will most likely not turn out as good as you hope.
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put it back.
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Why did he make this into the hunger games?
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that's one way to solve this.
(https://i.imgur.com/WIS5Iee.png)
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Understandably my post on this thread won't mean much. The whole community has already responded to injustice. But I want you to hear my voice as well.
Raz, I joined FH just a bit of time ago. In fact, I was adjusting to meeting everyone and could accept that not everyone would like me - hence, the block system. What is it you think people are using it for? To report violations? No. People use the block system to stop people from showing up in their chat because they just don't like them. People could easily tell their friends to mass block a player in chat for their own... I don't know, group liaison. But do you realize what has happened?
If I just joined and this has happened within the first few weeks, I'm not going to be thinking about myself. I'm thinking about the other new players, who will have this new system, and be banned in the span of the first month they're there because of those abusing the system. It's not as simple as a syllogism from two inferences, and that's why it's such a big deal.
I have heard from veteran members about what happened in the past. Many times over, people have turned against each other. Things can go to the wayside very quickly. To add to that, most of the community is underage. I don't want to admonish or chastise you, Raz. I just want to talk about you reconsidering this decision. I was there during the in-game rally that Esarosa posted. It just kept getting bigger, too. It didn't fizzle out 'til late.
The decision to not tell your staff members is wildly unreasonable. Your lack of in-game presence and forum presence doesn't cast up well to this post. People are threatening to leave, people I've met, and people you've probably met too - all if this... this idea goes through.
To all the community members, I apologize deeply. I hoped that my first post wouldn't have to be something that had to do with an issue like this. But I hope that FH never stops going, and I hope for it to one day be my primary site.
And the FH community's strength is something an update can never take away.
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hey uhhhh long-time fh [furry heck] veteran here
its been a while since i've checked in on this game; this seems like a terrible idea but im curious to see how much more chaotic this game can get i suppose? it's been months since i've logged in but my curiosity is immense
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Raz? Can I speak to you for a minute? 'Cause this really is not a good idea.
Even if you posted this as a joke, just... Just stop this. You're creating a mess out of this.
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Dear Raz,
You have dedicated members that have played this game since the beginning begging you not to make this change. I've been playing since '13 and don't think this is the right way to manage the game. I'd like to believe you have good intentions with this proposal but a game made for children desperately needs moderation or it will crumble into chaos. The system would be easily abused. I know myself and many other members have used this game as an outlet and safe haven to escape reality. Feral Heart is the core of my childhood and for the nostalgic feeling to be possibly ruined by a faulty system makes my heart ache. I'd be devastated for the plug to be pulled on our beloved game. Your reputation is suffering because of the lack of communication with the Feral Heart staff and community in general. A lot of people are terrified because you're not answering ANY of our questions on the thread. Please listen to our opinion on the system. If you want a better moderation/ban system then discuss it with the staff or community so we can help instead of letting the staff team be thrown under the bus and leaving the community a brief and horrifying statement. I personally think you took the wrong approach for this regardless if you meant no harm. However, I also think if you prove you can take advice from the player-base then your reputation will become stable. I ask that you listen to the community's pleading and not follow through with this proposition.
Sincerely,
Soft ♡
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Not really my business anymore seeing as I have long since departed FH, but I still feel inclined to say
...the heck? o.0
Well...good luck, FH
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IT's sad that so many people are actually scared. So many people have voiced their fears. Yet he sits there ignoring it, thinking this will magically make FeralHeart better. Do you even care for the well being of the game and its members anymore Raz? Do you not care what the community wants? Or is this all about you? Funny, how you are never involved with the game. YOu don't come in and interact with anyone hardly. Yet here you are, rejecting the staff's hard work just because they DARED to kind of bring back the old maps, simply because THEY listened to us like staff should and were doing what they thought was best. ANd now in your lashing out of them, you're ruining everyone else's time here.
IF you don't want to mess with the oh so terrible staff that went behind your back and tried making the game a better place, why not give the server up to someone else to run it? IF you're literally tired of being the server admin at this point, why don't you give it up?
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Are we not going to talk about how Nynx basically disappeared?
She's still there but if anyone was quick to catch...
` She made a thread in this same board, advertising and providing a link that leads to the next WIP patch that Raz himself specifically halted and wished not released.
Now, you cannot find her on the staff page, her comment that was originally directly under Raz's/the first comment was deleted, AND her very title of Global Moderator was striped.
All in one night.
I know her well enough to know she cares more for the community to do that... Vespian smells oppression and manipulation. A bully up on his pedestal.
To think some of you actually defended him.
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This is more than just a game, and cannot be played with, especially not this way.
I know that you keep the server going and everything, but, If things go wrong (which they probably will), imagine just how many people, and how much of -their- dedication will simply vanish.
This is not just about the sever.
All the hard work behind thousands of presets, maps, textures, meshes, etc.
From all members of the community.
Years of hard work and dedication, not just the Mods, but also other members will disappear.
I don't know what the plan is with the whole ''moderator free october'' is, but it's not going to end well, unless it's stopped or removed after 1-2 days of it's start.
So please, for the love of god, don't do this.
So many people don't want this to happen! Literally no one does.
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Are we not going to talk about how Nynx basically disappeared?
She's still there but if anyone was quick to catch...
` She made a thread in this same board, advertising and providing a link that leads to the next WIP patch that Raz himself specifically halted and wished not released.
Now, you cannot find her on the staff page, her comment that was originally directly under Raz's/the first comment was deleted, AND her very title of Global Moderator was striped.
All in one night.
I know her well enough to know she cares more for the community to do that... Vespian smells oppression and manipulation. A bully up on his pedestal.
To think some of you actually defended him.
oh my God
what the actual f
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Before you have even implemented this change, people are already leaving in protest and in fear of suffering at the hands of this injustice.
I would like to add onto this, there has been a rumor going around with some people that this post / news has reached some people whom despise FH, and are waiting for it to be implemented as it will be easily taken advantage of.
Dont hold me to it, idk if it’s actually true.
It’s just some things i heard.
This wouldn’t surprise me at all; we’ve had a hacker scare in the past, among other things, and this would give them incentive for a frontal assault on the game.
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Raz, you seriously take a step back and think things trough.
First you take away my powers, then you remove Nynx from the Staff page and strip her of her title, and I assume powers too. Are you doing this to any/all former and current staff member who publicly disagree with you? Because if it is, it's not the way to go. Clearly this 'concept' is not wanted, clearly people (both staff and members) are strongly against the idea of this self moderation system due to how blatantly obvious it is that it will not work. It's a real shame that you cannot see this or refuse to see this.
You've dug a huge hole for yourself, it is clear to literally anyone who has paid a visit to this thread. Please use this opportunity to retract your decision while it's still fresh, and apologise to the people you have hurt in the process. Including the community for creating such panic. It's clear that you're troubled somehow, but you're being very vague about it, and making rash decisions that are just causing damage than it is causing good. Damage is NOT what should be inflicted to this game. It's been through enough already.
You're abusing your power, and why you are is beyond me. Please talk to someone about what's really troubling you. Because something clearly is considering you disappeared for a year and came back to do this. We're not against you, Raz, we're against your decision. It's obvious some people have gotten carried away and made it more of a personal matter, but they're just scared and confused, having very little to go on, and that's completely human. As was your decision. You probably wanted to change FH for the better, but you can't do it this way, Raz.
Talk to me, talk to staff, talk to someone, talk to us all. I don't care at this point. Let it out.
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Are we not going to talk about how Nynx basically disappeared?
She's still there but if anyone was quick to catch...
` She made a thread in this same board, advertising and providing a link that leads to the next WIP patch that Raz himself specifically halted and wished not released.
Now, you cannot find her on the staff page, her comment that was originally directly under Raz's/the first comment was deleted, AND her very title of Global Moderator was striped.
All in one night.
I know her well enough to know she cares more for the community to do that... Vespian smells oppression and manipulation. A bully up on his pedestal.
To think some of you actually defended him.
I also want to add that the thread for the WIP patch that Raz didn't want officially released has been either taken down or moved...
This was the link to that thread, btw, since I shared it in one of my FH RP Discord servers:
(https://i.gyazo.com/382d9cec9bec3e7f0c2ceab502a23644.png)
and as a result:
(https://i.gyazo.com/166fadd77ffaa99da196185e94a5b027.png)
That thread didn't even last 24 hours.
The patch included all original-but-revamped maps such as Bonfire Island and Fluorite, btw. It's really beautiful and I'm glad I snagged it when I got the chance.
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So my friends and I woke up this morning to find characters we had online last night deleted. We even have visual evidence of the incident. I wonder why... Hmm? Coincidence, I don't think so.
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@DraconisFantasy
Yup, one of my characters was deleted too. And hell I didn't delete it either.
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Adding:
It just occurred to I that Nynx's post was the only post exclaiming that this was NOT a staff decision.
Could it be, that he intends to hide that fact as well?
Fortunately, he has no control over the FH deviantART group page which states the same as Nynx's thread once had but without Nynx's post, people reading a tad bit late without first or if ever glimpsing at said dA group can easily come under the assumption that this was, in fact, a staff-wide choice when it all actuality, it is not.
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Are we not going to talk about how Nynx basically disappeared?
She's still there but if anyone was quick to catch...
` She made a thread in this same board, advertising and providing a link that leads to the next WIP patch that Raz himself specifically halted and wished not released.
Now, you cannot find her on the staff page, her comment that was originally directly under Raz's/the first comment was deleted, AND her very title of Global Moderator was striped.
All in one night.
I know her well enough to know she cares more for the community to do that... Vespian smells oppression and manipulation. A bully up on his pedestal.
To think some of you actually defended him.
I also want to add that the thread for the WIP patch that Raz didn't want officially released has been either taken down or moved...
This was the link to that thread, btw, since I shared it in one of my FH RP Discord servers:
(https://i.gyazo.com/382d9cec9bec3e7f0c2ceab502a23644.png)
and as a result:
(https://i.gyazo.com/166fadd77ffaa99da196185e94a5b027.png)
That thread didn't even last 24 hours.
The patch included all original-but-revamped maps such as Bonfire Island and Fluorite, btw. It's really beautiful and I'm glad I snagged it when I got the chance.
This could also mean that anyone who sets foot in the patches will either have that character deleted, or they will be banned altogether.
This is getting to be way too much.
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character's are being deleted now if they are in the patch maps, my character has poofed from both user channel and in game. raz.. just stop.. what are you doing. you seem to be thriving on this and it's just not right.
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Dear Raz,
You have dedicated members that have played this game since the beginning begging you not to make this change. I've been playing since '13 and don't think this is the right way to manage the game. I'd like to believe you have good intentions with this proposal but a game made for children desperately needs moderation or it will crumble into chaos. The system would be easily abused. I know myself and many other members have used this game as an outlet and safe haven to escape reality. Feral Heart is the core of my childhood and for the nostalgic feeling to be possibly ruined by a faulty system makes my heart ache. I'd be devastated for the plug to be pulled on our beloved game. Your reputation is suffering because of the lack of communication with the Feral Heart staff and community in general. A lot of people are terrified because you're not answering ANY of our questions on the thread. Please listen to our opinion on the system. If you want a better moderation/ban system then discuss it with the staff or community so we can help instead of letting the staff team be thrown under the bus and leaving the community a brief and horrifying statement. I personally think you took the wrong approach for this regardless if you meant no harm. However, I also think if you prove you can take advice from the player-base then your reputation will become stable. I ask that you listen to the community's pleading and not follow through with this proposition.
Sincerely,
Soft ♡
I agree with you.
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Alright. It would appear that anyone going into the patch is now facing connection issues.
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While I am not a fan of being "babysat" I do think that this game in particular should be moderated and watched over. Especially when there are kids and young teens coming in the game. Not a lot of kids know better either (I know not every kid is bad, but there are a few bad apples. Even adults can be bad as well).
I am not a computer geek of any kind so I'm not sure how a system works when it comes to banning, moderation, etc. but I know that what was posted by you, Raz, just sounds like a bad idea and I agree with a lot of what is being said by other members of this community.
Also, not having any sort of communication with the staff is also pretty bad, to be honest. Part of why certain things and goals (even relationships, any relationship) fail is because of lack of communication. There needs to be a share of opinions, thoughts, and ideas tossed around first before anything is made as a decision. Especially if it's permanent.
On another note, banning anyone who gets blocked? That sounds horrible. There could just be some minor disagreements or maybe someone has had a bad interaction/first meeting with someone but all they need to do is block them. Maybe they want to unblock them and talk again. Just because they get blocked doesn't mean they should be banned.
Please listen to what others have to say and think about what you are doing before doing anything.
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Let me just call you out right here and now. Ban me, delete me. Do as you wish, but how hypocritical of you. You want the members to be mature in this game, yet you have acted way out of line and abused your powers. Why you should of thanked the staff for sending out the maps.
[/size]Why you ask? Because there was a full scale riot about to happen, the maps being shown only made those members stop their full scale planning and fighting and theory making about you. They like every other member on this site made maps, and then made them for the public to use. Those maps where no different from the ones Red made a long time ago. Yes they where intended to be as an update, but you said no. So why should they let their hard work go to waste? The truth is, they shouldn't, they should show it off.
[/size]Now lets point out the immature factor here shall we? You took the time to go on a personal attack against members who went into those maps. Which was not some stolen link, it was given to them by staff of this site. So why attack them. You had no reason and no just cause for any of your action. Rather than act like a spoil brat. You felt they had went against you, deleted the staff from the game, their post and then went for the blow on the members who dare follow anyone but you.
You claim you don't care what people say or think, but you clearly care with the way you have acted. You are throwing a man child hissy fit to show how displeased you are. If you don't wish to run this game any more then find someone who can and will.
[/size]Have personal issues happening? Well how professional it is that you brought them into the 'work place' very MATURE of you. Honestly could you be any more of a hypocritical brat.[/size]
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Honestly, I think the fact Raz hasn't responded to anything recently is the biggest in a 'show and tell'.
Yes, hi. i don't speak up much. But to be blunt, all I see is a child who doesn't speak and commune with their game's users throwing a tantrum all because he doesn't want to deal with the 'stress' anymore. What's more, you've went and disabled access to a map that, frankly, a lot of the users liked. Because the admins were stopping the outright flame war that was about to fall down on you doorstep. The lack of care for the members in this community and your own staff team both amazes and appalls me-- not because you do, but because of the fact that I thought it impossible to do to the level that you do.
You've also deleted a character of mine that I held very dearly to my heart up in said maps all because you 'didn't want that to ever reach the public' from what I understand. Why? Is it because you don't want to give the community what they want?
... Nevermind. I'm just speaking to a brick wall, and I think we all know it by now. Our pleas reach deafened ears, because you either intend to bring this game crashing down or you just don't care anymore. If you'd like to prove me wrong, please, send me a private message. Prove to me you're listening, please give me an answer more than 'it's what LKD would have wanted'. Not everyone wants to fight. Some of us just want to talk.
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wELP! I'm adding to the list of people who've had their characters deleted for going into the patch maps.
Razmirz, I don't know what the HECK you're doing, but it needs to stop. I have a sneaking suspicion... that you're simply doing your best to kill this game, and honestly, that's what all the signs point to, pal. And you haven't got many people on your side in this fight.
I'd highly reconsider this ludicrousy you're trying to pull off. The staff team is actually making people happy. They're helping the community, moreover giving us a way to cope with this hell you're about to put us through, this stupid robotic ban-management system that is BOUND to fail.
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I haven't posted in the forums for years and I wasn't actually planning to do this because I know there isn't much to add that hasn't already been said, but I think what you did was very wrong and childish.
I'd understand deleting the maps if you really didn't want them in game even though I did not agree with that either, but I know you only deleted every character who went in there completely out of spite and to upset us for not agreeing with your actions.
I don't know what else to say.. I'm so disappointed in you and what you're doing to fh.
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Another long-time lurker crawling out of the woodwork.
Although I can agree self-moderation isn't necessarily a bad thing, it's a tool that needs to be used in conjunction with moderators because, as many other people have mentioned, it can be oh-so-easily abused. As an example, World of Warcraft 'silences' (they can no longer speak in public chats) players who receive a large volume of reports in a short amount of time. I've seen guilds co-ordinate and use it to mute players they dislike or disagree with; I guarantee it'll happen. However, in this game's case, GMs usually rectify the silences or bans when messaged, especially if they were unjustified. Feralheart won't have this.
Another thing is the general age of the game's playerbase. There's some incredibly young kids here who admittedly do need the protection of moderators. I'd honestly worry about the content they'd be exposed to, especially if there was a genuine case of harassment that was kept within groups and whispers-- somewhere that won't invoke the blocks required for a ban. Even then, there should be complete transparency about the system being put into place to soothe everyone's worries. How many reports with trigger the ban? Are the bans permanent? Is there any way to rectify bans made in error without moderators? What if a problematic member doesn't receive the required number of blocks? Such a controversial change should definitely include more information- for everyone's sake.
Either way, I feel this is a case of 'if it's not broke, don't fix it'.
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me, waiting for feral heart to finally rid itself from it's useless, drama-cesspool of an existence:
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me, waiting for feral heart to finally rid itself from it's useless, drama-cesspool of an existence:
(http://gifimage.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/hurry-up-gif.gif)
This is very rude of you to say. Many people love this game and grew up with it.
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i swear to god.
do we have to seriously make 800 pAGES of posts for you to understand? what are you, 9?
seriously, raz, stop with the shenanigans, we're not little kids and we're not up for playing your little games.
someone else mentioned it - why are you making the hunger games?
we didn't make an uprising, but we will??
in the end president snow dies and somehow, if you don't decide to change this, you'll be left alone.
humans live on being in a group, they're social beings, and if you simply decide to ruin your own community by making your own hunger games then, hey, you probably won't get killed, but you'll be left alone.
because everyone who's got brains will leave the game, quit for good and find a better place with a better admin to keep it up. literally, ever since red retired, fh has been going downhill. not saying the staff didn't do a good job - dude, they were awesome. organizing events and fun playtimes for members of the community and actually caring to bond and talk with them rather than sitting there and, what you'd call /babysitting/.
i seriously don't understand you and i don't think anyone else does at this point. what are you, a god? hell no. so stop acting like one.
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I really wish I had something meaninful to say, but I'm just dissapointed...really, dissapointed... :/
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Yes, Hi. Another unfamiliar face commenting.
I've played FH since 2012 and I've seen it grow and fall throughout those years. Although I'm in college now i still like to hop on in now and again to see how things are doing. After hearing about the new maps and the upcoming patch, I was stoked to see Fh still had some promise. But now, after hearing what Raz is doing to the game and how he's basically treating the staff with what it seems to be little to no respect, is heart breaking.
Raz, if you so happen to read this, which you might not, whatever little game you're playing, whether you're doing this for the good of Fh and we don't see it yet or you're causing havoc just for tur fun of it, this needs to stop. Communicate with your community, especially your staff. They're here to help you and support you, don't push them away by what you're doing. Yes, you're the server master, but you need to work with your staff and come up with a agreement even if it means compromising. Half way happy of you want to put to that way. If you can't do that, then i don't know what else to say other then this is no way to run a game and definitely no way to treat your staff and community.
Thank you for your time.
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me, waiting for feral heart to finally rid itself from it's useless, drama-cesspool of an existence:
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This is very rude of you to say. Many people love this game and grew up with it.
If you actually grew up with it and truly knew the community, you'd probably agree with me. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Been active since 2011 and it's been nothing but drama, heartache and failure. And now the rest of the game is following suit.
I think people need to use FH as a guideline for what NOT to due for future communities. Staff wise and community wise.
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Maybe your experience with FH wasn't good, but plenty of people had good ones. Just don't play anymore if you no longer like the game?
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It's unfortunate, but now, people are finally seeing how Raz can really be. Didn't think he'd make it public though. He's done this kind of thing for years.
Again, it is unfortunate, but it has actually happened before. I cannot say he is intentionally going on your accounts and wiping characters, to be honest I believe this is the fact maps were removed or w/e, but he's done it before so who knows.
I suppose I've got nothing else to say.
FH Players: I wouldn't even attempt to grovel toward Raz.
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Vespian's right... Warriorstrike's (https://feral-heart.com/smf/index.php?action=profile;u=230057) profile is not found in the memberlist.
I guess we're going to imitate dysfunctional IT servers now, yeah? Playing favorites with staff, backstabbing your own team, sabotaging your game, and banning anyone who dares to speak out—and god forbid, act—against you. Sounds like something that only a really mature server master would do... everyone else, take notes.
It was a good run. Too bad this game will die because of arrogance rather than age.
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Time to uninstall guys c:
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Time to uninstall guys c:
;U; :(
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Are we not going to talk about how Nynx basically disappeared?
She's still there but if anyone was quick to catch...
` She made a thread in this same board, advertising and providing a link that leads to the next WIP patch that Raz himself specifically halted and wished not released.
Now, you cannot find her on the staff page, her comment that was originally directly under Raz's/the first comment was deleted, AND her very title of Global Moderator was striped.
All in one night.
I know her well enough to know she cares more for the community to do that... Vespian smells oppression and manipulation. A bully up on his pedestal.
To think some of you actually defended him.
Raz?? The post was bad enough but now you're stripping perfectly FINE mods of their power? Deleting characters that go into the recreation of everyone's treasured maps?
You're an adult aren't you? Why isn't this being handled like it?
Did KovuLKD say something to you?
What are you doing? I thought you'd be reasonable.
I'm speechless... This really is it, I guess. Just don't feel safe playing a game that's managed like this, let alone the unknown system for moderation being put in. A safe haven gone cold.
Well, good thing Impressive World is being remade. Maybe we can find a home there. Just a shame to see FH end up like this.
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It's unfortunate, but now, people are finally seeing how Raz can really be. Didn't think he'd make it public though. He's done this kind of thing for years.
Again, it is unfortunate, but it has actually happened before. I cannot say he is intentionally going on your accounts and wiping characters, to be honest I believe this is the fact maps were removed or w/e, but he's done it before so who knows.
I suppose I've got nothing else to say.
FH Players: I wouldn't even attempt to grovel toward Raz.
Exactly my thoughts. Kicking out staff members is nothing new from him.
I hope some miracle happens but man...
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i'm just going to be outright.
someone don't block me!!!!!! i'll get banned!!!!!11!
raz, please tell me this is a joke. how do you know users won't abuse this "system" because of a grudge/ect?
i am not going to log on because i'm worried someone will use that to their advantage, to get me banned when
you probably don't even know what the hell is going on.
i do not support this one bit. please, for the love of god, rethink this.
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wow guys who knew that raz was a 5 year old to go along with everything else!!!
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Unfortunately, as of right now, no one has a voice. The community isn't being heard, staff members are losing their powers when they speak out, and all of us are left screaming into an endless void that we can't get a grip on. I would never expect the game to go out like this, so I am hoping Raz has some sort of change of heart.
As of right now, to discuss any other things that happen and as things progress, I've made an FH discord server for the community to discuss ideas or share what has happened recently. (character removal, bans, etc).
https://discord.gg/sz3c3u6
I'm sure we have a ton of servers for FH, but this one is specific for this occasion just in case this post gets deleted, or anyone else's posts are deleted. Hopefully FH won't go down like this. We can only hope for the best.
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We're so sorry it had to come to this guys. The staff team loves you all, but unfortunately, Raz left us with no choice. Please take care of this game. You guys are its future, if Raz decides to keep it around. Know that we did all that we could in our power to save the game. <3
I can't say how disapointed we are in Raz's actions. Know that we had no part in them.
https://feral-heart.com/smf/index.php?topic=64621.new#new
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Afraid I can't join the discord but it's a good idea^ just watch out..Raz may not like that with everything he's done atm :/
Aye, I'll be on the lookout. Thank you <3 If anything happens I may as well have it up. Would be good to spread it around to everyone so they can get in and read updates hhh
Things can only go up from here I suppose.
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Dear god man
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no.
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Crack? Is that crack you're smoking?
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Listen i haven't played this game for quite some time so like banning doesn't effect me and i can easily say that
Raz
This is PRIME CRACKHEAD behavior
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So with only one guy who doesn't care about the game means anything can get posted on here and it will take months to get removed. So go wild little trolls, spam your links. c:
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mod free october came early
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I literally cannot believe what I am seeing.
While I haven't been as active as I used to be as of late, I still constantly swing by to see how things are going and pop in-game every now and then.
I've been a member of this community since 2011.
I've seen the DRASTIC changes this game and community has gone through in the course of those years, and this is by far the most ill-conceived concept I've ever seen forced down this game's throat.
I don't know what goes on behind the scenes, but the fact that you didn't even go to the STAFF TEAM with this idea before launching it is absolutely unacceptable and just might be the part I am the most pissed off about.
This team of moderators works their hindquarters off for this game, and has done so diligently since the very beginning. A game like this that has a core community of minors 100% NEEDS in-game mods to keep things from becoming mass hysteria, and they have done just that and kept things running as smoothly as humanly possible. Now you're just going to undermine them? Treat your own staff as if their hard work means nothing and that they can be "replaced" by this new "system" you've suddenly decided to come up with? I'm sorry, and forgive my anger, but it's absolute bull crap. This staff team has done more for this game than Raz has. I've never seen him involved with the community, at in-game events, etc. Now you're going to drastically change the core of this game just because you can? You may hold the server in your hands, but that does not by any means make you better than any of the hard working moderators that keep this game afloat.
This new system is going to be an absolute train wreck, and is going to turn off SO many people to this game. Being a part of FH since basically the beginning, I've seen its fair share change. It already seems to be going downhill in terms of member numbers and general interest to people as many of us are growing up and no longer have the time for it, but that said, this new "moderator-free" month is by far going to slam this game into reverse.
This system is SO easily going to be abused. Innocent people are going to be banned simply because the power is now basically in the hands of the average user. The age group that now plays this is vastly composed of children from what I've seen, and by giving EVERYONE the power to ban ANYONE is not only unfair, it's absolute lunacy.
I won't stop logging in and swinging by. I will never give up on this game that has been such a huge part of my life for a very long time, but I know I may be in the minority now.
So congratulations, Raz.
If your goal was to kill this game, you may very well have set it on the right track.
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Couldn't agree more jackdaw :< we'll both be here till the very end <3
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I don't know if I want to feel, sad, disappointed, or very angry at Raz right now. The staff has worked hard in the feral heart servers, they have made the maps, kept the environment safe for everyone around; yet this is how they are treated? and think of the members!
This game has always been a safe, fun community! the amazing moderators who take care of the members who have problems(Or just want to talk if they are in-game) and how they made the maps for the new Feral-Heart game or how they worked a lot to get the game back up when that huge crash happened!
You should be ashamed Raz! ASHAMED! You are turning this game into a more toxic environment and will ultimately kill this game! this system is very faulty as people covered in previous comments! I hope you are very happy with yourself when this game goes down hill or becomes way more toxic. People will abuse this system to drive out the rule following members, it will be your own fault when this goes bad. There is no I in team Raz! You should've consulted with the staff members to better Feral heart!
I am sad to say, I've played this game for 6 years and honestly I want the old times back. The old times when people could have fun, even debate with each other and having the moderators around to chill with. I'm sad to see where Feral Heart is leading to
To Moderators(Not you Raz): I thank you for your time serving with Feral Heart and all the hard work you been putting into it.
Bye guys, right now I don't know if I'll ever get on unless this idea is throw off a dang cliff.
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Listen i haven't played this game for quite some time so like banning doesn't effect me and i can easily say that
Raz
This is PRIME CRACKHEAD behavior
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Oh okay, okay! Unpopular opinion time after thinking about this long and hard!
Here I go...
This was blown way out of proportion!
Lmao, yeah Raz is the bad guy for going behind the Mod's back and pushing down really good ideas, but the self moderation system wouldn't have killed FH imo. If anything it's probably getting killed by how exaggerated the whole thing is.
Let me say these things, firstly:
1.) I do not hate the mods, nor do I really believe that anything was wrong with the moderation system
2.) Yes I am sad the mods are leaving
3.) Yes it was wrong of Raz to go behind their back
4.) Nynx absolutely should not have gotten punished for doing what they did
With those said, I still stand behind the fact that I don't think it that big of a deal. You guys can yell at me if you want, but have most of you actually taken the chance to sit back and really think about what Raz was suggesting? I'm not on the guy's side but he just mentioned trying something for a month, and that if it didn't work he'd take it away.
It's just.. Crazy blown out of proportion in my eyes
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Oh okay, okay! Unpopular opinion time after thinking about this long and hard!
Here I go...
This was blown way out of proportion!
Lmao, yeah Raz is the bad guy for going behind the Mod's back and pushing down really good ideas, but the self moderation system wouldn't have killed FH imo. If anything it's probably getting killed by how exaggerated the whole thing is.
Let me say these things, firstly:
1.) I do not hate the mods, nor do I really believe that anything was wrong with the moderation system
2.) Yes I am sad the mods are leaving
3.) Yes it was wrong of Raz to go behind their back
4.) Nynx absolutely should not have gotten punished for doing what they did
With those said, I still stand behind the fact that I don't think it that big of a deal. You guys can yell at me if you want, but have most of you actually taken the chance to sit back and really think about what Raz was suggesting? I'm not on the guy's side but he just mentioned trying something for a month, and that if it didn't work he'd take it away.
It's just.. Crazy blown out of proportion in my eyes
I'm just going to say I completely agree with this.
Honestly everything is just blowing up, and it seems like most Veterans are convinced this is the end of FH.
This accounts looks new but I have been around a long time, going on and off FH throughout the years. I have seen bad mods. I watched General vanish, the new maps get released, the drama.
In no way do I hate the old mods, and I agree that it was completely wrong of Raz to do this, and I am so sorry for Nyx and the mods with everything that happened to them.
BUT that does not mean I'm going to up and leave FH, or let it die. If Raz doesn't just up and shut down this game, I am all for just going with this system and rping with my friends. I don't want to let this completely ruin my childhood memories of FH and the friends I so love that are still around.
Once again I am sorry for the mods, and I really do agree this is ridiculous. But screaming at Raz will do nothing x'D
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I call a boycott on FH until Raz gives FH to someone else or straightens himself out. Join me? I won't be playing anymore.
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Sssooo you've gone mental? Honestly, Raz, as a long-term FeralHeart player I have never seen a more idiotic idea on this game than this right here. You can just read the posts of everyone else to gain my response. Among others, I for one won't be playing this October- and if this doesn't clear up, that one month of me playing may turn into never.
Stupid idea.
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Not my video, but I think it mostly describes my feelings right now. Google Translate sings Dua Lipa's "New Rules" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGdn88MBN1c).
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Soo...we're just going to have a massive community run by the players? I mean how hard is it really to get someone banned for no reason? FH has changed in more ways than 1! I just don't believe it is responsible to give the community the power to 'run' the whole server....People are leaving and quickly, people are scared to enter maps incase of their chars disappearing!
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Newsflash guys...
https://feral-heart.com/smf/index.php?topic=64621.0
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I call a boycott on FH until Raz gives FH to someone else or straightens himself out. Join me? I won't be playing anymore.
Agreed. I don't want to let go of FH. I cant let go of a game Ive played for 6 years. The one who needs to leave is Raz. Unless, he miraculously has a change of heart and actually starts caring about this community (doubt it). Like everyones saying, I want the old times back to. I hate seeing it die like this.
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YOOOOOO THIS IS DOPE!!! THIS IS SICK!!! I don't know about you guys but I've been waiting so long for this to happen AHAHAHAHA!!! You guys are dumb as hell for thinking that this is a bad idea, and those moderators shouldn't be complaining about losing their "powers" on a game. Who cares? Let the test run it's course, Raz had a great idea, I know of quite a few games that use a banning system similar to this and they are fairing well. He made the right decision by disabling their admin abilities on FeralHeart, he's the only person that helps run this game that actually has a head on his shoulders and knows how to use it. You guys are sad for coming and putting hate on it because you're mod ass kissers, and I honestly don't care if you all block me and get me banned forever because I am already banned for speaking my mind on the TERRIBLE FeralHeart staff (other than Raz), I have always liked and favored him out of the lot of them. He is reasonable and knows how to take care of this game. If you guys are so scared then maybe you should sit and be quite like the good little piggies we all know you can be it isn't that hard, so don't be afraid to lose your accounts and your life on this furry game, it's just a game, not that hard to abide and be actual decent people without your babysittters changing your diapers every five minutes. Not to mention they were useless, half the time they never opened my reports or responded to serious matters, same with my friends and multiple other users. Long live FH, Long live Raz, AUF WIEDERSEHEN FERALHEART MODERATORS SO GLAD THIS IS HAPPENING!!!
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YOOOOOO THIS IS DOPE!!! THIS IS SICK!!! I don't know about you guys but I've been waiting so long for this to happen AHAHAHAHA!!! You guys are dumb as hell for thinking that this is a bad idea, and those moderators shouldn't be complaining about losing their "powers" on a game. Who cares? Let the test run it's course, Raz had a great idea, I know of quite a few games that use a banning system similar to this and they are fairing well. He made the right decision by disabling their admin abilities on FeralHeart, he's the only person that helps run this game that actually has a head on his shoulders and knows how to use it. You guys are sad for coming and putting hate on it because you're mod ass kissers, and I honestly don't care if you all block me and get me banned forever because I am already banned for speaking my mind on the TERRIBLE FeralHeart staff (other than Raz), I have always liked and favored him out of the lot of them. He is reasonable and knows how to take care of this game. If you guys are so scared then maybe you should sit and be quite like the good little piggies we all know you can be it isn't that hard, so don't be afraid to lose your accounts and your life on this furry game, it's just a game, not that hard to abide and be actual decent people without your babysittters changing your diapers every five minutes. Not to mention they were useless, half the time they never opened my reports or responded to serious matters, same with my friends and multiple other users. Long live FH, Long live Raz, AUF WIEDERSEHEN FERALHEART MODERATORS SO GLAD THIS IS HAPPENING!!!
NICE B8 M8 i rate it 8/8
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YOOOOOO THIS IS DOPE!!! THIS IS SICK!!! I don't know about you guys but I've been waiting so long for this to happen AHAHAHAHA!!! You guys are dumb as hell for thinking that this is a bad idea, and those moderators shouldn't be complaining about losing their "powers" on a game. Who cares? Let the test run it's course, Raz had a great idea, I know of quite a few games that use a banning system similar to this and they are fairing well. He made the right decision by disabling their admin abilities on FeralHeart, he's the only person that helps run this game that actually has a head on his shoulders and knows how to use it. You guys are sad for coming and putting hate on it because you're mod ass kissers, and I honestly don't care if you all block me and get me banned forever because I am already banned for speaking my mind on the TERRIBLE FeralHeart staff (other than Raz), I have always liked and favored him out of the lot of them. He is reasonable and knows how to take care of this game. If you guys are so scared then maybe you should sit and be quite like the good little piggies we all know you can be it isn't that hard, so don't be afraid to lose your accounts and your life on this furry game, it's just a game, not that hard to abide and be actual decent people without your babysittters changing your diapers every five minutes. Not to mention they were useless, half the time they never opened my reports or responded to serious matters, same with my friends and multiple other users. Long live FH, Long live Raz, AUF WIEDERSEHEN FERALHEART MODERATORS SO GLAD THIS IS HAPPENING!!!
NICE B8 M8 i rate it 8/8
SO SPICY. MMMM
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Oh okay, okay! Unpopular opinion time after thinking about this long and hard!
Here I go...
This was blown way out of proportion!
Lmao, yeah Raz is the bad guy for going behind the Mod's back and pushing down really good ideas, but the self moderation system wouldn't have killed FH imo. If anything it's probably getting killed by how exaggerated the whole thing is.
Let me say these things, firstly:
1.) I do not hate the mods, nor do I really believe that anything was wrong with the moderation system
2.) Yes I am sad the mods are leaving
3.) Yes it was wrong of Raz to go behind their back
4.) Nynx absolutely should not have gotten punished for doing what they did
With those said, I still stand behind the fact that I don't think it that big of a deal. You guys can yell at me if you want, but have most of you actually taken the chance to sit back and really think about what Raz was suggesting? I'm not on the guy's side but he just mentioned trying something for a month, and that if it didn't work he'd take it away.
It's just.. Crazy blown out of proportion in my eyes
i agree that this was blown out of proportion a bit but I'm not suprised. However knowing razmirz this might be bigger than what's said in the op.
Like we are told that general will be gone temporarily but it's been 5 years.
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Interesting concept no?
Lets call it a test / trial and forum operations will continue as usual. In-game however you will have no moderators.
Nope I'm not crazy of course something is being put in place. Note: if its not working it may not even be a whole month.
I know there are a lot of you out there who provide reports etc back to the staff.
Well for the month of October and maybe beyond. You the community will be in charge of self moderation.
How is it going to work?
Well from your point of view as a community member you have a very simple job to do. If you see someone or something that shouldn't be going on block the person.
The system in place will identify people being blocked. It will assign bans accordingly. I'm not going to give too much insight to its workings for now as things may change as more information is collected and to prevent any attempts at abuse of the system.
So I guess what it boils down to is can you guys keep a clean and friendly environment? Or do you actually require people to sit and watch you?
Roll on October!
Raz
Raz i've been a member of feral since its beginning, and sure its banning system has been faulty and needs some work, but this isn't the way, This can be easily abused by people wanting to get people banned for no reason and its misuse will cause more drama, Kovu isn't around to moderate anymore, but Take it from the community of feral heart and listen to people try and take advice from the mods doing they're job, This is a very bad idea, i've had to manage a game before and trust me it ain't easy, but don't try and take everything upon yourself. sometimes the best choice is from others
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And then, that was just the beginning of how a closely tied community fell apart in less than 24 hours. Was nice knowi-
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its amazing how this community went from chill and peaceful to a mess in one day
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I have always had a very bad idea of the mods and all so I really don't mind that they were taken away, but it feels like it was triggered by a tantrum that went too far lmao and deleting characters for going into a map without warning? Now that's bullshit
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Wait what.. i readed this whole thing and.. I have no words.. no moderators for the whole month? That would be chaos! what if people are breaking rules rn and no admins are on probably! Im sorry but i disagree with this..
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Thanks for the memories, FeralHeart, it was a good 6 years. I made some of my best friends here. But this is entirely ridiculous and honestly a stupid idea. Shame on you Raz, I hope you realize your mistake someday. Until you do, this game was nice while it lasted and I'm thankful for the good old days. Have fun running a game without anyone supporting you. : )
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https://discord.gg/sz3c3u6
Keeping this up for anyone to join!
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As staff, you must take responsibility over moderating the game.
I won't be even considering playing FeralHeart throughout all of October. I desperately hope you change your mind and never do something like this again. If you and fellow staff can't moderate the game yourselves, pass it onto someone else. I basically grew up with this game, and it breaks my heart to see such a careless decision.
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As staff, you must take responsibility over moderating the game.
I won't be even considering playing FeralHeart throughout all of October. I desperately hope you change your mind and never do something like this again. If you and fellow staff can't moderate the game yourselves, pass it onto someone else. I basically grew up with this game, and it breaks my heart to see such a careless decision.
This was Raz's decision.
The FeralHeart staff were not consulted about this.
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Raz is worthless trash of an Admin.
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Maybe this is what he wants. He wants enough people to leave and get mad so he can shut down the game without as many people on it. A lot of people are leaving and the staff page only has him on it. I think he just wants people to give up and go home so he can finally quit. Idk tho.
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Raz is worthless trash of an Admin.
Insulting him with your user and in posts is not going to help the matter...
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Dear Razmirz,
I understand that some decisions have been made through a split hair decision and it breaks my heart to hear it. In my honest opinion, this is an extremely childish decision that will lead to nothing but chaos and havoc. I have been on FH since December 10, 2011, when Feral Heart was basically an infant. I thrived through Feral Heart because it was the outlet to escape my world that was all too cruel to me. Now whether you choose to remove me entirely from Feral Heart for what I am about to say, then that decision is ultimately up to you.
Honestly, I have never witnessed a moment where you have logged on or engaged in the community throughout the entirety of my membership; you were just the ghost behind the curtains. Yes, I was consistently on and off with activity but I engaged with the community, I connected with the community, I was a part of the community, and what you are doing is hurting the community. The reason the community died is that Feral Heart was dying and people were losing interest; they were growing up and had no time. This is all because the expansions ceased to continue and people even ran out of areas to role-play, especially those who were unable to download private or even public maps, but that is not the only reason I have contacted you.
I have contacted you on behalf of every member of Feral Heart, and even the ex-moderators, because you are making a poor decision to not only remove all moderators, but to remove the patch along with the characters that entered the patch. You probably already know that you have more than likely deleted many characters that people have worked hard on, have put creative ideas into, and have given their own little piece of their heart. This is completely unfair to all members who were genuinely excited for the new patch that you were so against releasing. As an old member, I am asking you to please reconsider your decisions and bring on new moderators; please do not view this as me asking you to add the patch. I am simply asking you to apologize to the community and restore things back to the way things were. Don't let me lose hope in you, Razmirz. You are my idol. You created the world that ley me escape my abusive father. You are the one who gave light to eyes that have only seen darkness. So PLEASE Raz... don't break me again.
Sincerely, a dedicated member.
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Alright... I don't care to post on these forums nor do I make any effort to express my thoughts or opinions on most that I see here, but this time I feel inclined seeing as to how this affects the entire community. This is by far one of the least sensible courses of action that could've possibly been taken.
Raz, I don't know you, i've hardly ever even seen you anywhere except occasionally here on the forums. I only know you run the server for this game and as the master of everything I would think you'd have a clear head on your shoulders-- but from what i'm seeing posted here and elsewhere, that's apparently not the case. Now, I have no right to really speak on something I personally have no experience with but, I can tell you that by taking an action like this that you're not only upsetting a large number of people but you're also causing the ultimate destruction of a game that you're supposed to be in control of.
I've been on here for years, i've watched this community from the sidelines and I know how responsible, respectful, and self-reliant that it can be but on the other hand i've also seen my fair share of abusive, spiteful, and toxic people running around. It wouldn't take much for someone to angrily start abusing this system over something stupid. Seriously, there's so many people that have the potential to exploit this if they don't get their way or are upset by something, implementing a system like this will only bring about disaster and it's incredibly sad to see a game that i've enjoyed for so many years get reduced to this.
I hope you come to your senses and make the right decisions but if not, then it's been fun while it lasted.
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Raz, big no no. I must say, this idea is absolutely horrible and may ruin this game.
Feral Heart is already dead as-is and doing this will help none. In fact, will probably make it worse. There are so many extremely inappropriate users on FH, getting 'rid' of moderators for a month is definite doom. So many of those people will take advantage of this, and do what they do. Without moderators, anyone who witnesses any inappropriate actions, roleplays, or words will have no way to report them, because blocking will do no good, for the users will still be there, and out in the world.
Please reconsider this as I fear it will decrease the amount of FH players, even more than they already are. Please.
Sincerely,
.Toxicity.
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This song kinda matches my mood honestly.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v5zFnGRaO0E
Anyone who has played this game knows what this mask means. You've worked so hard to bring two people together and to love each other forever, but then the world ends. At least they are together while everything gets destroyed. Reminds me of the work that has been put into this game just to have it crash and burn.
Maybe it will survive, maybe this is all part of a bigger plan. Who knows. I won't say I hate Raz, he has kept the game up and running for a long time, but I do hate his recent decisions.
Kinda hate it too because now I am just picturing that during the rough bumps the game has had, there have been small earth quakes for our chars. But now picture the maps crumbling and breaking open and stuff, like an apocalypse.
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Now I have finally come to understand your possible offering, but as seen now.. Without any moderators within the game to keep the peace, we have gone corrupt. I would understand if it was a 16+ community, but with Feralheart consisting mainly of youngsters this was bound to happen. As you can already see if you just login into the server for once and by these posts, the community has been damaged. You can already see what would happen in October, unfolding right infront of your eyes.. Yet you never post a response to this. Just sit back and watch, probably eating some popcorn. Very comfy isn't it?
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Maybe this is what he wants. He wants enough people to leave and get mad so he can shut down the game without as many people on it. A lot of people are leaving and the staff page only has him on it. I think he just wants people to give up and go home so he can finally quit. Idk tho.
That was one theory but it's a fools way of doing it.
There is probably 100 people who would have taken over & rigged a functional server.
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Hell yeah.
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to be completely honest, though, one point i'd like to bring up is that i highly doubt the system will be abused. not to say it's a good idea, but what i believe as an educated guess is that nobody would even use it and feral heart is already in chaos a day after this system was released, and it's being fueled by your decisions. i've never met you, raz, and i haven't really taken my time to know the staff, but with nobody to watch over the members, every rule is currently being broken right in front of your eyes and people do not seem to be using the system (which is the only way to "report" things now) accordingly. if at all, then they think someone would just be able to do it for them or it wouldn't even count as their business. i can say that because i refuse to even use the system because its 1) not my business 2) i dont wanna be blamed for anything, man. i'm really shy. that doesn't mean the system can't and won't be abused, of course, but that's just my input. also, the grounds is... chaotically annoying yet so hilarious. event: feral heart's first ever player-hosted free for all
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I feel like you really missed an opportunity to make it No-Mod-November, but okay.
Idk why any of you are surprised that feral-heart continues to age poorly.
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I haven't been on for years, but I came back after hearing about this on a few chats.
Hello, I've been a member since about 2012 on my old account. Maybe a bit longer? This account is using a username I highly associate with my dead-name, so I didn't want to use it until I caught registration or the ability to change my username.
This system can easily be abused. People have bad intentions. They could knock it on someone to simply enjoy this power, and ban someone they dislike. Systems relying on bots can pick out swear words from normal text easily. Three letters in something completely different can be snatched by a bot, and then used to ban someone who didn't even say the actual swear word. They could have their character say something rude in an RP with someone else, and the bot could still pick that out being completely automated and ban someone for something story-related.
I'm an admin of two decently-sized discords. Not huge like FR, but I have dealt with problematic users from time to time. I would never give my users the ability to essentially ban each other. Especially when we deal with stuff worse than twelve year olds swearing.
I don't really care if my dead-named account gets banned or not for disagreeing with this announcement. I won't be able to play until registration comes back up and I can claim a new name. But please, think these things over. It'll be awful if completely innocent users get bullied over these updates, and lose complete access to accounts and friends they've had for ages.
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Oh okay, okay! Unpopular opinion time after thinking about this long and hard!
Here I go...
This was blown way out of proportion!
Lmao, yeah Raz is the bad guy for going behind the Mod's back and pushing down really good ideas, but the self moderation system wouldn't have killed FH imo. If anything it's probably getting killed by how exaggerated the whole thing is.
Let me say these things, firstly:
1.) I do not hate the mods, nor do I really believe that anything was wrong with the moderation system
2.) Yes I am sad the mods are leaving
3.) Yes it was wrong of Raz to go behind their back
4.) Nynx absolutely should not have gotten punished for doing what they did
With those said, I still stand behind the fact that I don't think it that big of a deal. You guys can yell at me if you want, but have most of you actually taken the chance to sit back and really think about what Raz was suggesting? I'm not on the guy's side but he just mentioned trying something for a month, and that if it didn't work he'd take it away.
It's just.. Crazy blown out of proportion in my eyes
I totally agree with this!! I may not have at first, but I feel like our tendencies as individuals are to focus on what’s negative (in this case the whole going behind the other staff’s back and whatnot), but the fact that everything has quite literally exploded out of proportion is kind of ridiculous. Honestly, at this point all I want is a more in-depth explanation of how the system is going to work before making any decisions to support it or not.
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What if Raz is mad about all the server crashes the patch would cause if it were released? The topic about the patch maps also said something about opening registration.
With all those maps, the server has more burden on it. The reason registration isn't open all the time is that it made the server lag. With more maps and open registration, the server might crash more often after the patch. My guess is Raz doesn't want to del with the server crashing.
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https://feral-heart.com/smf/index.php?topic=64648.0
If i respond in here I guess it might just disappear so new post time.