Feral Heart

Game & Forum Discussion => Game Discussion => Topic started by: Erhiia on September 30, 2018, 08:09:04 pm

Title: Detailed Thoughts of a 7 Year FH Veteran - (Let me know your thoughts as well!)
Post by: Erhiia on September 30, 2018, 08:09:04 pm
Greetings, I am Erhiia. Most of you don't know me, but that is alright, considering my lack of activity on the forums. But regardless, since I am here to talk about the very recent changes to FH.

First a little about me, if you haven't already read my introduction that I posted roughly a year ago.

I came to this game almost seven and a half years ago. The game was still relatively new and blooming with people everyday. Some days even averaged close to 1,000 online players. I played the game everyday consecutively for a good 3-4 years. I was there when the wing/dash and lonely cave update came out. After the few years binge, I had a falling out with FH and stopping playing for about a year or so. During that time, the complete game revamp update came out and our community was shattered for the first time (at least from my perspective).

When that update came out, the FH staff, especially RedLineLies (AKA the Admin at the time). He was receiving hate comments on just about every social platform he was on. It was unbelievable to see what some people were saying.

A lot of the younger community, and the older one as well, were complaining about the update. I believe one thing that the community overlooked was all the hard work that was put into making that update.

Feral Heart, in all honest opinion, was dying, and still continues to decline over the past 4 years. The update that was put out by Red and the staff at that time was an attempt to revamp the game and make it more fun. We've had those previous maps for almost 5 years. This was a chance to give players a new experience, and perhaps even a new start.

Eventually, people accepted what had occurred, Red retired his position as admin, and many of the old staff members did as well. This opened up for a new generation of Admins and community members to take role and help make this community alive again.

People need to start realizing that time is a thing. As time goes on, we get older. We begin to lose time for things like Feral Heart. It is honestly amazing that we even had people still willing to take those roles as FH Staff responsibly and actively contribute their part. (This is excluding all the people who want to be staff just to be staff. Our staff before this No-mod October were very active and did an excellent job).

Another thing; Many, many, many people in this community wish to take up a role in the FH Staff, but only about 5% of that pool actually knows the burdens and responsibilities that come with it. The FH Staff is elected based upon their activity within this community, their ability to make executive decisions FAIRLY and EQUALLY (I cannot stress this enough!!!). With these requirements, only a certain age range fits these circumstances, and it's usually those who are 16 and older.

For those of you who are younger and not in high school, let me tell you this: High school is tough. Most of our mods were in high school, and many had other extracurricular activities that went with it. On top of that, some might've even had a job. This takes up so much time.

Many of us high school students do not have the time to take up the role of a moderator or an admin. It is an amazing feat the our previous mods were able to do that.

Now, I understand that a majority of the community is very upset with Raz's sudden decision, and that is perfectly fine. Everybody has the right to their own opinion and thoughts on this action. But think of it this way:

As I stated earlier, the pool of people who can fulfill the role of admin or moderator is very small. Many of those people are beginning to lose interest in the game as well. The system the Raz has put in temporarily is just temporary and an experiment that can in the future help keep this game alive. I hope you all realize that he is why we still have this game today and have had it for the past 8-9 years. Sure, he could've sold it, and somebody else would have had their hands on it. What if that person decided to just get rid of the game?

You cannot attack Raz for his decision. You can disagree with him as much as your heart desires, but you aren't in a place to attack him.

People are losing interest in this game, and this system that Raz has placed temporarily could be the key to keeping this game alive as it dwindles down. This system could be used in the future to help moderators out so that they do not have to be online 24/7. View it as a tool for the future.

Example: You're role playing peacefully one night and suddenly a person begins flaming you or even just using foul language in the area.

From my understanding of the system, you can block this person, and they will be put under the moderators radar. Sure, your can take screenshots and send it to mods, but some people (Mostly the younger ones) don't really know how to do this. This way, reporting somebody will have a larger reach.

A very long time ago, there used to be an in-game report button when you opened up somebody's character information. I think that it was abused and just spammed with very petty/puny things like "He killed my character in role play" or "He was in the den when I wanted it" and stuff like that.

Many people believe that the block system can be abused. If you read the notes from Raz, he states that 1 block does not equal a ban/kick nor do 9000 blocks equal a ban/kick. So you do not have to worry. Of course there may be flaws in the early stages of this experiment, but later on, it will be a tool to help the staff in case they are understaffed or cannot make it to be around the map every second of the day.

Please give it some time, and just act like decent community members. Forget that this whole thing was put in place and carry on with your daily FH lives. Abide by the rules and block those who don't follow them. Don't let this be the center of drama in game.

Thank you for reading. Please let me know your opinions as well.
Title: Re: Detailed Thoughts of a 7 Year FH Veteran - (Let me know your thoughts as well!)
Post by: G4RG0YLE on September 30, 2018, 08:11:07 pm
This thread is absolutely beautiful in terms of taking into account everything that FH has been through and is yet to go through. Thank you for putting it all in one post with such a smooth explanation of it all. <3
Title: Re: Detailed Thoughts of a 7 Year FH Veteran - (Let me know your thoughts as well!)
Post by: Erhiia on September 30, 2018, 08:12:44 pm
This thread is absolutely beautiful in terms of taking into account everything that FH has been through and is yet to go through. Thank you for putting it all in one post with such a smooth explanation of it all. <3

Thank you so much for taking the time to read it! I hope this helps open a few eyes in the community. <3
Title: Re: Detailed Thoughts of a 7 Year FH Veteran - (Let me know your thoughts as well!)
Post by: Calvary on September 30, 2018, 08:14:14 pm
Thank you for your insight and perspective! It's always appreciated to have multiple standings on a situation, especially from veterans from the game such as yourself! I enjoyed reading. <3
Title: Re: Detailed Thoughts of a 7 Year FH Veteran - (Let me know your thoughts as well!)
Post by: Erhiia on September 30, 2018, 08:19:02 pm
Thank you for your insight and perspective! It's always appreciated to have multiple standings on a situation, especially from veterans from the game such as yourself! I enjoyed reading. <3

Thank you for taking time to read it! Hopefully others will be able to see new perspectives on the whole situation as well! <3
Title: Re: Detailed Thoughts of a 7 Year FH Veteran - (Let me know your thoughts as well!)
Post by: Kastilla on September 30, 2018, 08:22:56 pm
You said it better than I ever could. Even though I am a veteran myself, I never thought bad of the new maps. I was only upset that they removed the old ones lol. :)

Thank you for providing your words in the matter. Nice to see fellow veterans crawl out of the woodwork.
Title: Re: Detailed Thoughts of a 7 Year FH Veteran - (Let me know your thoughts as well!)
Post by: Astraea on September 30, 2018, 08:24:53 pm
Erhiia. <3 Thank you for this beautiful post. You really did say it all well and covered mostly everything in such a great way. You spoke truthfully, here. For us veterans and the community. Good to see you back around on the forums, as well.
Title: Re: Detailed Thoughts of a 7 Year FH Veteran - (Let me know your thoughts as well!)
Post by: Flurr on September 30, 2018, 08:28:59 pm
Thanks for posting this, Erhiia. <3 This was so smoothly and honestly spoken. It's great to see your thoughts on this and you, as a veteran, has to say. Thanks, I'm sure this can help clear things up a bit for people on here. <3
Title: Re: Detailed Thoughts of a 7 Year FH Veteran - (Let me know your thoughts as well!)
Post by: Erhiia on September 30, 2018, 08:32:27 pm
You said it better than I ever could. Even though I am a veteran myself, I never thought bad of the new maps. I was only upset that they removed the old ones lol. :)

Thank you for providing your words in the matter. Nice to see fellow veterans crawl out of the woodwork.

I think the maps are cool as well! But I too miss the old ones. Many great memories formed in the old ones. Also it's awesome to see vets around!

Erhiia. <3 Thank you for this beautiful post. You really did say it all well and covered mostly everything in such a great way. You spoke truthfully, here. For us veterans and the community. Good to see you back around on the forums, as well.

Thank you so much <3 I'm glad to be back :)

Thanks for posting this, Erhiia. <3 This was so smoothly and honestly spoken. It's great to see your thoughts on this and you, as a veteran, has to say. Thanks, I'm sure this can help clear things up a bit for people on here. <3

Thank you for reading, I really hope it helps clear up some of the drama going on <3
Title: Re: Detailed Thoughts of a 7 Year FH Veteran - (Let me know your thoughts as well!)
Post by: Edolicious on September 30, 2018, 08:42:42 pm
This this this this this.

I was having a chat just earlier today about Feralheart's progress over the years. The game went without an update for years. People became so settled in to having the same old familiar functions and maps that the mention of an update caused uproar. Seems to be a pattern when it comes to change with this game. But we end up with a solution one way or another.

The common train of thought among the userbase is that this new AI will replace moderators. Rather, it could most definitely be used as a tool to 'auto-flag' people who are breaking the rules for the mods, so they're not required to be online constantly.

Just a little ironic to me, considering staff activity is something often complained about, and this could be the tool to helping solve it.
I appreciate your explanation of how things could go down. Very much.

Like you said, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but mine mirrors yours in this instance.
Title: Re: Detailed Thoughts of a 7 Year FH Veteran - (Let me know your thoughts as well!)
Post by: Erhiia on September 30, 2018, 08:51:01 pm
This this this this this.

I was having a chat just earlier today about Feralheart's progress over the years. The game went without an update for years. People became so settled in to having the same old familiar functions and maps that the mention of an update caused uproar. Seems to be a pattern when it comes to change with this game. But we end up with a solution one way or another.

The common train of thought among the userbase is that this new AI will replace moderators. Rather, it could most definitely be used as a tool to 'auto-flag' people who are breaking the rules for the mods, so they're not required to be online constantly.

Just a little ironic to me, considering staff activity is something often complained about, and this could be the tool to helping solve it.
I appreciate your explanation of how things could go down. Very much.

Like you said, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but mine mirrors yours in this instance.

The thought that AI would take over the staff is what really sparked this entire memo. I'm trying to help people see the brighter side of things.

Thank you for taking the time to read through it all, I'm glad I have a shared opinion.
Title: Re: Detailed Thoughts of a 7 Year FH Veteran - (Let me know your thoughts as well!)
Post by: Skat on September 30, 2018, 09:02:01 pm
This was a splendid post to read, obviously taken time and dedication to think this objectively and get into everyone's shoes in the meantime which is why this post got such respect and I'm glad it did.

I can see what you mean and what you've said but the uproar was caused by the sudden change, the wrong approach and failure to explain the whole process of how and why this has happened: The way Raz said it, it was as if he wanted to rid of the staff instead of help with the whole absense from their side, since everyone has a life and the game is a secondary 'need'. Another problem was the update that suddenly got declined when some of the community helped the staff to create the newest maps, which were later denied to be included in the update for who nows why. And the uproar happened because of this in a mix of the unfair treatement against a Moderator.

Overall I loved your point of view. It needs guts and lot of patience to get in everyone's shoes at this point. Thanks for this post.
Title: Re: Detailed Thoughts of a 7 Year FH Veteran - (Let me know your thoughts as well!)
Post by: Erhiia on September 30, 2018, 09:12:52 pm
This was a splendid post to read, obviously taken time and dedication to think this objectively and get into everyone's shoes in the meantime which is why this post got such respect and I'm glad it did.

I can see what you mean and what you've said but the uproar was caused by the sudden change, the wrong approach and failure to explain the whole process of how and why this has happened: The way Raz said it, it was as if he wanted to rid of the staff instead of help with the whole absense from their side, since everyone has a life and the game is a secondary 'need'. Another problem was the update that suddenly got declined when some of the community helped the staff to create the newest maps, which were later denied to be included in the update for who nows why. And the uproar happened because of this in a mix of the unfair treatment against a Moderator.

Overall I loved your point of view. It needs guts and lot of patience to get in everyone's shoes at this point. Thanks for this post.

Oh gosh, I totally forgot about the newer maps that were suppose to come out. I remember seeing a preview in a discord channel but I forgot about them. I definitely do not a lot of the other things that occurred, given that I just came back after about 5 months break. I went off of what I knew from reading Raz's posts and spending 5 minutes in game. I will definitely be looking into the other stuff that you mentioned.

Thank you so much for reading! <3
Title: Re: Detailed Thoughts of a 7 Year FH Veteran - (Let me know your thoughts as well!)
Post by: Hakumi on September 30, 2018, 10:27:53 pm
Oh my, take me down memory lane why don't ya <'3
You had me hooked on every word, every thought..
Such a beautiful post <3
Title: Re: Detailed Thoughts of a 7 Year FH Veteran - (Let me know your thoughts as well!)
Post by: wolfdog01 on October 01, 2018, 02:41:43 am
Gurl, you have explained the system perfectly! I still wasn't sure how the whole block/ban thing would work, but if that is how it is going to be then I'm okay with it. At least better with that than I am with like instant ban or something. I enjoyed this post. I agree, hate the decision/action, not the person. He could have things in store for the future, we don't know.
Title: Re: Detailed Thoughts of a 7 Year FH Veteran - (Let me know your thoughts as well!)
Post by: Angarika on October 01, 2018, 08:52:43 am
Just like everyone else who has responded to your post, I too agree with everything you've stated in your original post. It was wonderfully written. One of the few, good objective standpoints of how to look at this entire ordeal that I've seen as of yet.

You are, and everyone else who has posted is correct when they say change is difficult. It can be upsetting to some and in some cases, cause uproar/riot-like situations, like the ones we recently had, especially for those who've become comfortable and set in their ways and see no reason to change. At the same time though, change is good. It allows all those directly involved and those who may become involved sometime down the road, to add another tool to their toolkit bag for overcoming challenges in the future. It opens doors as change provides people the opportunity to better understand and acquaint themselves with what it truly means to "adapt and overcome," as change essentially forces them to. It makes people ask, "I can't go back, so how do I go forward while at the same time, not repeating the past?" It makes us take a 360-degree look and consider other options when we may have only dared consider the 180-degree aspect of something before.

Everyone's correct when they keep repeating the phrase that nothing is going to remain the same; something's going to happen, be it now, a week from today or years down the road. It's true that all we can do is prepare ourselves, setting percussions and individualized instructions for ourselves on what to do if x, y, and z happens, so that when the worst does occur, we have a secondary plan of action to turn to and place into motion to minimize the damage done to us or those we consider dear. Who knows, we could even potentially craft the third solution if there is any speculation (even the slightest) that the secondary fix may fall through. Now the secondary or third options may not fix or be the solution in the grand scheme of things but it extends the clock, adding time for others to collectively create what may be the appropriate fix. I agree with you when you mentioned this is essentially what Raz is doing. Creating that x, y, and z secondary and third option.

I must concede, when this entire system was put out about a week ago, I was rather upset. Not in the traditional sense that everyone else was. I was not upset at the "injustice" divided against the staff, nor the "unfairness" directed toward the community for "destroying" their access to new content, but because I allowed the banter to get the better of me. In the end, too, I ended up joining in, letting my new found ability to voice the years of pent-up frustration toward x, y, and z be my guide. I don't regret the decision looking back, as one should never regret anything they do, but I am disappointed in myself for just how quick I responded with my initial opinion. I took a bias stand instead of an objective.

You're right, we do need to be objective in this. Being bias will get us nowhere; choosing these so-called or self-proclaimed "sides," will lead us to nothing but a dead end. We can't ignore what's happened but we also can't get caught up in it. We must overcome it and find the appropriate solution that'll minimize the issues Feral-Heart was having before, be it on the staff/administrative level or member/community one. We must look at this challenge as "how can this issue better our community and if it doesn't, how can we change it to be what it is we're looking for?" without reverting to the "old ways" of how things are traditionally done.

Truthfully I too like this idea of an AI system that helps moderate the game. I too am all for the idea of removing moderator ability from the Feral-Heart game itself, restricting their power to solely the forum. It'll alleviate, if not at minimum, reduce the current "power-hungry" or "ill-trained" perspective a lot of the members the community have of the moderators. It could potentially eliminate the "favoritism" or "big-shot" issue that's been seen in the past (ie. the more you're known, the greater someone/moderators are willing to assist/help you in the issue you've brought to the table). In layman terms, it gives light to all the "little people" out there that have been overlooked because they simply aren't "active" on the forums, Deviant Art page, Discord server and so on so forth. Catch my drift?

Bottom line, I also agree. I'm excited and am looking forward to how this goes - to having Feral-Heart turn into a community lead group instead of a moderator/staff lead one. I believe someone mentioned it on another forum but it may pave the way for members without any "power" to have the opportunity to hold their own events (ie. dances, movie nights, raffles) and what else not, without the need to be "staff" to fuel people's interest of participating. Ya know?

Let me know what you think. I look forward to reading responses to this post.

Very Respectfully,

Angarika/Blakyhart


Title: Re: Detailed Thoughts of a 7 Year FH Veteran - (Let me know your thoughts as well!)
Post by: Erhiia on October 01, 2018, 05:13:18 pm
Oh my, take me down memory lane why don't ya <'3
You had me hooked on every word, every thought..
Such a beautiful post <3

Thank you so much <3

Gurl, you have explained the system perfectly! I still wasn't sure how the whole block/ban thing would work, but if that is how it is going to be then I'm okay with it. At least better with that than I am with like instant ban or something. I enjoyed this post. I agree, hate the decision/action, not the person. He could have things in store for the future, we don't know.

I really hope that the system gets utilized that way, so that we still have human beings to talk to, ya know? Thank you for reading! <3

Title: Re: Detailed Thoughts of a 7 Year FH Veteran - (Let me know your thoughts as well!)
Post by: Erhiia on October 01, 2018, 05:18:52 pm
Just like everyone else who has responded to your post, I too agree with everything you've stated in your original post. It was wonderfully written. One of the few, good objective standpoints of how to look at this entire ordeal that I've seen as of yet.

You are, and everyone else who has posted is correct when they say change is difficult. It can be upsetting to some and in some cases, cause uproar/riot-like situations, like the ones we recently had, especially for those who've become comfortable and set in their ways and see no reason to change. At the same time though, change is good. It allows all those directly involved and those who may become involved sometime down the road, to add another tool to their toolkit bag for overcoming challenges in the future. It opens doors as change provides people the opportunity to better understand and acquaint themselves with what it truly means to "adapt and overcome," as change essentially forces them to. It makes people ask, "I can't go back, so how do I go forward while at the same time, not repeating the past?" It makes us take a 360-degree look and consider other options when we may have only dared consider the 180-degree aspect of something before.

Everyone's correct when they keep repeating the phrase that nothing is going to remain the same; something's going to happen, be it now, a week from today or years down the road. It's true that all we can do is prepare ourselves, setting percussions and individualized instructions for ourselves on what to do if x, y, and z happens, so that when the worst does occur, we have a secondary plan of action to turn to and place into motion to minimize the damage done to us or those we consider dear. Who knows, we could even potentially craft the third solution if there is any speculation (even the slightest) that the secondary fix may fall through. Now the secondary or third options may not fix or be the solution in the grand scheme of things but it extends the clock, adding time for others to collectively create what may be the appropriate fix. I agree with you when you mentioned this is essentially what Raz is doing. Creating that x, y, and z secondary and third option.

I must concede, when this entire system was put out about a week ago, I was rather upset. Not in the traditional sense that everyone else was. I was not upset at the "injustice" divided against the staff, nor the "unfairness" directed toward the community for "destroying" their access to new content, but because I allowed the banter to get the better of me. In the end, too, I ended up joining in, letting my new found ability to voice the years of pent-up frustration toward x, y, and z be my guide. I don't regret the decision looking back, as one should never regret anything they do, but I am disappointed in myself for just how quick I responded with my initial opinion. I took a bias stand instead of an objective.

You're right, we do need to be objective in this. Being bias will get us nowhere; choosing these so-called or self-proclaimed "sides," will lead us to nothing but a dead end. We can't ignore what's happened but we also can't get caught up in it. We must overcome it and find the appropriate solution that'll minimize the issues Feral-Heart was having before, be it on the staff/administrative level or member/community one. We must look at this challenge as "how can this issue better our community and if it doesn't, how can we change it to be what it is we're looking for?" without reverting to the "old ways" of how things are traditionally done.

Truthfully I too like this idea of an AI system that helps moderate the game. I too am all for the idea of removing moderator ability from the Feral-Heart game itself, restricting their power to solely the forum. It'll alleviate, if not at minimum, reduce the current "power-hungry" or "ill-trained" perspective a lot of the members the community have of the moderators. It could potentially eliminate the "favoritism" or "big-shot" issue that's been seen in the past (ie. the more you're known, the greater someone/moderators are willing to assist/help you in the issue you've brought to the table). In layman terms, it gives light to all the "little people" out there that have been overlooked because they simply aren't "active" on the forums, Deviant Art page, Discord server and so on so forth. Catch my drift?

Bottom line, I also agree. I'm excited and am looking forward to how this goes - to having Feral-Heart turn into a community lead group instead of a moderator/staff lead one. I believe someone mentioned it on another forum but it may pave the way for members without any "power" to have the opportunity to hold their own events (ie. dances, movie nights, raffles) and what else not, without the need to be "staff" to fuel people's interest of participating. Ya know?

Let me know what you think. I look forward to reading responses to this post.

Very Respectfully,

Angarika/Blakyhart




Had to respond to this one separately because it covers another topic I agree with; favoritism. Since I personally sympathize with those who aren’t active on the forums. For several years, I have been off the forum and honestly sometimes it felt like those who were active on the forums were more important than me (someone who never used it).
Title: Re: Detailed Thoughts of a 7 Year FH Veteran - (Let me know your thoughts as well!)
Post by: gh0ul on October 01, 2018, 06:15:50 pm
I like the way you put this situation in words and I also like the fact that you are neutral in the way of viewing the situation of both sides of the coin, I want to mention that you gotta be one of the most mature members around here, thank you for helping out the community. And I agree on the fact that we should wait see what comes.
Title: Re: Detailed Thoughts of a 7 Year FH Veteran - (Let me know your thoughts as well!)
Post by: wolfuss on October 19, 2018, 03:33:05 am
I agree with you a heck of a lot! I'm also a vet when it comes to this game... I want to come back to it, because I'm bored in college.
But I have been avoiding it for a bit because I don't have any friends in game anymore, and the new update scares me cx
I miss the old maps a lot, but the new ones are so beautiful yet so overwhelming for me to see something so familiar change.
But heck, if I do come back, I'll have a great time exploring everything again like I did when I first joined.
Title: Re: Detailed Thoughts of a 7 Year FH Veteran - (Let me know your thoughts as well!)
Post by: Calvary on October 19, 2018, 07:29:58 pm
I agree with you a heck of a lot! I'm also a vet when it comes to this game... I want to come back to it, because I'm bored in college.
But I have been avoiding it for a bit because I don't have any friends in game anymore, and the new update scares me cx
I miss the old maps a lot, but the new ones are so beautiful yet so overwhelming for me to see something so familiar change.
But heck, if I do come back, I'll have a great time exploring everything again like I did when I first joined.

If you're a vet, I do encourage you to come back! I'd gladly be your friend if it meant you returning to the game and whatnot. May as well have some friends to hang out with, right?

Everything seems to be going just fine, and we have a halloween event tomorrow if you'd join us! I think it would be tons of fun. <3