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Title: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Tigg on January 10, 2011, 02:29:20 am

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Kohaku on January 10, 2011, 03:34:01 am

Well, that answers my question! Hahaha, thanks Tigg. :>

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Nuruu on January 10, 2011, 03:37:06 am

How much would it cost to have a preset put in the server so only that person can use it but all can see it?

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: M-Wolf on January 10, 2011, 04:08:05 am

How do you create a download to send to your friends so they can see it?

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Redlinelies on January 10, 2011, 04:38:32 am

Quote from: M-Wolf on January 10, 2011, 04:08:05 am

How do you create a download to send to your friends so they can see it?

Easiest way would probably be if you uploaded it to something like sendspace or mediafire. Then gave the link to your friends.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Tesmere on January 10, 2011, 04:42:05 am

Cool!
Answers alots of my Q's too.
All we need to wait for is the server to work.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Zarago on January 10, 2011, 11:07:25 am

I don't really want to bother with presets, I think the markings are good enough as they are.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Shiro on January 10, 2011, 11:41:23 am

I'm not dealing with that. I already paied to have a preset or so made. I'm not gona pay to have them ingame. Not worth it. v_v
And I like being able to see everyones preset and I like for everyone to see me. I put alot of work into my characters and I'm sure everyone else does too. I love to see them and how everyone has their own personal touch to the game.

Though I've already been ingame once with a legit showing preset before, others did too. we just coded it a certian way and it would show without the whole giving and taking preset stuff. Hence the reason I don't understand all this. If that worked why not just leave it at that. Staff wouldn't have to take time to code mess and we wouldn't have to pay so much. If kov wants to have a fighting part of th egame buying special abilities and whatnot would sound like a better deal to me.
However this is my opinion.
No offence.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Sarine on January 10, 2011, 12:07:22 pm

Meh, actually I will agree with Zarago... Personally, I don't think it's worth it. :/ The markings are fine, you can make a pretty character without much work. Pay to do what, get people admire your work on an awesome preset. They will. For the first two minutes. :/

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: KisaCrescent on January 10, 2011, 01:34:00 pm

i don't see this as fair to the ppl who put work into making these preset's 3: especially since another player in this game will be using one i made just for them to use. besides ik it must be work to put preset's in and such but haven't u guys considered the fact that not every single person in the world is rich? thousands of ppl who mad presets wont have the money to pay to put them in game and for others to see. i'm sorry but thats just unfair to me and to those others who put time only to not get them shown in game. this makes me unhappy to see considering the only time i will have to get on line for now is in the early morning's.

yeah probably gonna get stuff about this saying this is crud and what not but its true i ain't rich i'm still a teenager. have no job and have no excess to any money i have, and my mom being limited on money and already paying for another game? yeah i wont b able to pay for this one two cuz she'll make me choose! so i dunno bout any one else but this just doesn't seem again fair. we don't put hours into making our first and next preset's to have to pay for them when they were free in the first place..... seriously come on r-r.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Rak$ha on January 10, 2011, 01:38:20 pm

It's up to Raz and Kov what they allow and don't allow.. Although I do agree with some of you.
If you're unable to pay for it to go on the server, maybe do an art trade with someone; You give them an art piece, and they may give you the amount of $ you need to get one on the server.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: KisaCrescent on January 10, 2011, 01:42:30 pm

but then that make me feel bad. i don't want some one i dunn even know to pay for my preset that they didn't make that to me is just taking advantage of some one else money T-T.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Rak$ha on January 10, 2011, 01:45:01 pm

I might make a poll on this xD

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: KisaCrescent on January 10, 2011, 01:46:26 pm

think that be a very fine idea x-x

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Staceybob on January 10, 2011, 02:00:25 pm

Or you could just send the files to your friends for free.

That's what I'm doing. Im not bothered if everyone can see my preset or not.

Stacey xxx

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: OmegaVY on January 10, 2011, 02:07:24 pm

I think it's better for everybody to use markings only. There were many troubles about presets in IT. It's sad. But anyway it's up to Raz and Kov, I'll support their design. And I can pay *dunno how, we don't have PayPall in Russia, lol*.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Nuruu on January 10, 2011, 02:10:57 pm

I am sorry to post this same question again, but how much $$$ is it to have your preset put into the game?

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Tigg on January 10, 2011, 02:36:48 pm

The way how the Presets might be payed and how much they will cost, we dont know that. It will be about some Bucks, not more that 3 or 4.

And just for further Information: Kov has added Presets as Option, and not as given right to have them visible to everyone. If there is too much trouble about them, it will end like IT, Presets will be taken away.

So be happy with them, you have the option. You dont have to pay for them if you send them arround. and Besides. The Server costs Raz 160 (!) per month. And he pays that -all alone-. So The Server-Presets are just made to get some of the money in for FH, and not for our personal use.

FeralHeart is not made to please everyone, because that is simple not possible. Be happy the game stays free so far and you only help to hold the server being up with providing a Server-Preset.

Besides. Ogre dont allows to earn money with the Game. So we cant sell Items, Levels, Maps or Skills and so on.

One Preset is holding about 1 up to 5 MB. Now, imagine all the 4500+ Users sending in, even just one Preset. The Server dont has ulimitied Space. It just simply wount work. Not everyone would be able to get his Files on the Server, because there is simply not enough space. And more Space on a Server: Very much more money to pay for the Server.

Its not that we dont want to provide your Presets on the Server, we just cant.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Saria on January 10, 2011, 02:43:30 pm

Answers so much of my q's :P

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Nuruu on January 10, 2011, 02:46:54 pm

Thank You for letting me know :)

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Tigg on January 10, 2011, 02:49:16 pm

And besides, i really love some of the already shown Presets on that Forum. I really would want to see them run arround on my Screen too. I would so totally STARE at them. But well.. we just cant provide such a amount of Files.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Aroxy on January 10, 2011, 02:55:03 pm

I thought the deal was that we were allowed up to four but that they were free.. i'm rather confused, although i don't mind if they are free or not; i never used a preset in IT, and i don't really don't need one here.

I mean people, come on.. you DON'T need a preset to be creative, and Kov and Raz are already doing us a huge favor by even making a new game for us to play! Raz is paying for the server all by himself, and that's out of the kindness of his heart. They've never once asked for donations or anything like that, and 3 or 4 dollars seriously is not that much money. You can find that just by scrounging up some change you have laying around your house!

PRIVELAGES. Presets are one. If you can't afford them, well that's too darn bad! It IS fair.. The creators of the game wants a couple bucks for your presets, and i don't see anything wrong with that. In any other legit mmo game, there are things you have the OPTION of paying for. Pets, mounts, cool stuff, etc. Nobody ever complains about those.. so why do you have to be a pain about the few dollars that they're asking?

Nobody is ever happy with what they have :/

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Tigg on January 10, 2011, 02:58:49 pm

Holy.. i needet to edit my Post, we already have 4500+ Users, x,x

And yes, you have 10 Presetfolders to fill, but they are secondary for your own personal use. At the Beginning, Kov even didnt wanted to make Presets possible. I am happy to have that Option anways. I will only send my Friends the Files, because they are the only ones i play with, lol.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Misako on January 10, 2011, 03:22:48 pm

Aah that makes a lot of sense, answers a lot of questions too! Hmm, personally I don't think I would mind paying for my preset if it supports the game/gamemaker too. After all, they did put a lot of work in it for us, and what's a little money? And if that would also make my work show up, awesome!
But if it becomes friends only, alright then, live with that too. But yup, I wouldn't mind paying a bit either.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Juvi on January 10, 2011, 03:52:24 pm

I have a question about amount of presets you can have yourslf at once(max 10 as Tigg said).
If you make these 10 presets(not if that would happen but some might do that, who knows, and use them all), this possibility should work well:
You make a next preset, name it preset_1, and if you alredy ahve a preset_1, you copy that one to somewhere else, and use it when you need to play that charrie ingame, and when you need the other one you switch. That does work, and if used on the same way as the other preset(lets say: using eyeL and eye right but only one body side as main for both) is coded, the friends that have the preset shoudln't have much trouble with it, just switch the textures and there we go.
But may I ask, why is there a preset limit set to 10(Im sure not many will pass that limit but still)? Does it afect the servers somehow then I understand why, but I want to know anyway. I am curious of it as some might find switching all the time quite painful.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Silana/Misha on January 10, 2011, 03:56:20 pm

When it comes to presets, I'm just going to send them out to friends. I really don't see the need or desire to put them on the server, I mean, as long as my friends can see them, I'm totally alright with that :3 I'm just so happy that Kov made the option of making presets ourselves, for I've been wanting to do that ever since IT. I'd be sad though if they took that option away, I really hope they don't.

As for paying to have them in game, I understand the idea, and I find it fair. When IT was still up and running, Kov and the other admins probably didn't realize how popular personalized presets were, and now, everyone is making them. And if they're only asking $3-$4 per preset to put on the server, is that really so bad? =/ I mean, 1) The money will go towards extra bandwidth, so the server doesn't crash and 2) it'll help Raz pay for it, without it (mostly) coming out of his own pocket.

But I still think everyone should still have the option of whether they want their creations on the server or not. Whether they let everyone see, or just their friends, that's completely up to them.

(Sorry for the mini-rant ^^; I probably went a bit off-topic anyways x'3)

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Tiacat on January 10, 2011, 04:01:35 pm

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: cheetac19 on January 10, 2011, 05:02:34 pm

So...will they cost money for each preset? Or is it a one time thing? Also, if someone doesn't pay for the preset thing, does that mean they won't be able to see ANY presets? Cuz wouldn't that be odd to be unable to see a player when they can see you o.0 Sorry if these are stupid questions .-. Just wondering XD

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Orion on January 10, 2011, 05:09:24 pm

But.....Id want people to see my preset :C whats the point if no one can see it?

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Tigg on January 10, 2011, 05:20:17 pm

Quote from: Orion on January 10, 2011, 05:09:24 pm

But.....Id want people to see my preset :C whats the point if no one can see it?

Presets are not ingame to show them off, they are in first place for you own fun and artistic creations. To share them with friends is also just an Option, a Privilege. They are not ment to be basicly visible to everyone, due to the first edited Post in that Thread, you can read why.

@ Juvi
Kov decidet to only provide 10 Presets, since he didnt wanted to give the Game with lots of empty Folders. I have mentioned to him 30, but he didnt wanted that.

@ Moonshade
Only if you want your own Preset to be on the Server, that costs. You dont have to pay to see other ones Presets.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Zarago on January 10, 2011, 05:26:00 pm

I don't think now is the time to bother about with presets. We need the multiplayer up and running before we can do any of these things.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Miles101 on January 10, 2011, 05:36:39 pm

True, Zarago. We should really worry more about the server status right now--presets are a second priority.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Ouuka on January 10, 2011, 05:37:28 pm

I can understand the whole "I have no way to pay... or no money" , Im stuck in that dilema to since i have no way to pay since its not like i can get money easily on the computer, as for art trade ill rly try to figure that one out if anyone even likes my art lol. But as it comes if i cant pay i have no complaint about sending it to my friends (only have 1 atm lol but im sure FH will bring me more) Its about u having fun and ur friends with u, if u can see ur preset be happy, remember if everyone wants to make a hooplaa about this, when ur preset is added to game if u pay everyone can use it(if im not mistaken) Persoanlly i dont rly want mine used by everyone but i know some ppl would like em used. So it can be a win win or lose lose situation. As long as the ppl i know and hang out with can see me ill be happy, besides that everyother person when they wonder what my char rly looks like can ask for it :) And as for paying, no one complain, the money goes to a good cause like tigg said, to help Raz pay for server...i think we should all be greatful just for that, not to mention Kov even making the game for us and the staff helping to create it. Ive found either way i can make my preset with just the markings they gave us so rawrs =3

Thats my rant ^-^

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Juvi on January 10, 2011, 05:57:03 pm

Thank you for answering my question tigglet :). So it's either switching or having 10 max and that's it.
Who knows maybe he will higher it one day.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Orion on January 10, 2011, 06:36:32 pm

Wait so.....the only point in presets are just for fun...just to colour??? we cant bring them in game for myself and others to see? Because i really wanna bring Orion into game. On IT I noticed people running around with presets??? and I wasnt friends with them.

sorry, I am new and I REALLY want to understand everything you can do with presets and what theyre about, so dont bash me. If an admin or a user could PM me or post here id be very happy, thankyou<3

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Sarine on January 10, 2011, 07:01:47 pm

Hey Orion, yes presets can become visible, to your friends, if you send them the file. You don't need to pay for that. c: But, if you want your preset to be visible to everyone while running around in a map, then you gotta pay for that.

I read through others' posts and I have to say I might have gotten to a conclusion too fast. It might actually be a good idea to pay a little, so Kovu and improve the game/the servers even more. It's very kind of him to pay all that by himself. He does it for us guys, and judging from that, then yes I change my opinion, maybe paying for showing off presets might be a good idea, at some point.

Although I still have to say it doesn't sound like such a big deal to me, personally, I wouldn't pay [nor I would ever be allowed to] pay to show off my character online. But... for some people, who can be really creative with presets, it might prove a good idea. :3

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Orion on January 10, 2011, 07:07:04 pm

Ah!!! thankyou so much that makes good sense, you shall get a nuzzle for that :P
I dont mind paying a little cash for everyone to see my preset.................just need to find someone to make me the preset now LOL. thankyou, again :)<3

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Shiro on January 10, 2011, 07:55:20 pm

Eh. I still can't get over the whole pay thing. I have a feeling that there will be a thread where everyone can post their presets and or will find a way anyway. :/
I know I'll download all the presets I can find. I think they're pretty and I enjoy seeing everyone elses.

I think there should be a poll also.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Tigg on January 10, 2011, 07:57:52 pm

The Presets are in first place ment to be shared under each other. It was wanted that users create own Downloads of their Presets so others can decide if they want to see them or not.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Shiro on January 10, 2011, 08:05:09 pm

Well Tigg one thing. Howcome when I went ingame EVERYONE could see me and I NEVER gave out my preset?

This is what I do not understand.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Kohaku on January 10, 2011, 08:25:14 pm

Shiro: They could see YOU or they could see your PRESET? Be a liiittle more specific.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Tigg on January 10, 2011, 08:27:11 pm

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Erdbeere on January 10, 2011, 08:35:38 pm

I can understand why this is frustrating...but to be honest, it is fair :/ Like Tigg said, it takes up space on the server and public presets caused trouble in IT anyway. Besides, nobody's denying you anything by not having presets be public. You can see them, your friends can see them if they have the codes and who cares what strangers think? As long as /everyone/ who has a public preset pays for it, I don't see how this is unfair. It's extra work for Raz and Kov, so they have the right to charge for that service. And i /also/ agree with Sarago, the markings are great :)

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: OkamiAmaterasu1 on January 10, 2011, 08:40:26 pm

Wait, I am confused. Does this mean FH will become pay to play? What is he talking about, I know nothing about computers and what Presets are. Could some one put it in layman's terms for me?

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Tigg on January 10, 2011, 08:44:28 pm

Presets are Characters with custom textures. Like those:

(http://feral-heart.com/images/header/tig4.jpg)

FeralHeart wount cost money to play.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: OkamiAmaterasu1 on January 10, 2011, 08:47:31 pm

Oh. Well I will just be happy with what I have. I just want to play. Idk why every one has to make things so difficult. XD

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Shiro on January 10, 2011, 08:51:33 pm

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Tigg on January 10, 2011, 08:55:01 pm

Quote from: Shiro on January 10, 2011, 08:51:33 pm

Well the person(s) who told me such KNOW my character well and she can NOT anywhere NEAR be created within the character creator. Also I know a preset when I see one vs character creator characters.
Nala told me to code my preset a special way and well. It worked for me apparently. So whether or not it was a glitch or freak luck I don't know.

But whatever. Nothing can be done I guess. At least we can have presets.

Pardon my rudeness.

-Takai Shiro

Nah, its okay. I would prefer free Prests too, but its simply not possible without paying much more money to the Server.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Shiro on January 10, 2011, 08:57:40 pm

I had an idea once for people to upload presets and have it put into a preset patcher, every once in awhile you could go out and get an update. That way staff wouldn't have to code them, it'd be the same as everyone giving them out kinda and if it's only an installer or w/e then it wouldn't be as hard on the server. Right?

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: GemWolf on January 10, 2011, 08:59:32 pm

Guys, you should be happy that the game is free. The FeralHeart team did an amazing job on it. The markings are fine for me, even though they don't have the ones for my Fursona, I can make adjustments. I'd rather not pay to see presets ingame, you don't need to have a preset to be creative (Even though they are very nice). I am somewhat against this, but hey, think about all the money Raz puts into just keeping the server. You should honestly be happy that the game itself is free.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Gucci on January 10, 2011, 09:07:08 pm

Yeah. I don't really think that I would need other people's presets. I mean, I'm just happy that the game is free. Otherwise.. I would be like, devastated.. and does anyone know when the servers will be up..?

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: OkamiAmaterasu1 on January 10, 2011, 09:12:15 pm

Like i said. I just want to play, I could care less if my look were fancy or not. i just want to know what it is like to play. never got to play impressive title, and i was disappointed that the server was already down before i got a chance to play FH. what if they made the presets or what ever that are not available from the beginning something like a reward as you play the game. kind of like new armor when you level up in other games.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Shiro on January 10, 2011, 09:17:20 pm

No and I know I'm greatful for the game and I'd like to play :/
the presets are just something that kinda make FH special though. I could run off and ditch FH all together but the customization is half of everything that keeps me here. It's the staffs choice. Take what they offer. I know if I let people have them I'd appreciate ways to improve it and I'd dislike people claiming they don't need or want them it's a feature the staff is likely putting alot of effort into. I mean I wanna see others because they put hard work into it and it's nice to show off something you can be proud of such as a character design or texture, it makes you feel good.
I'm glad the game is free and that they don't have to make it that way but they do. Now if the presets are causeing server issues I think it's a good idea to help the staff make and use ideas to improve it.

But hey. This is what I think and I'm not willing to take it any further.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: JackFrost on January 10, 2011, 09:19:28 pm

I'm glad that the game itself is free too. Besides, in about every online game you find they have to have some way of making money, this seems like the most reasonable way. The presets don't even seem as expensive as one would think for all the trouble it is, so I think this is a fair deal. Dunno if I'll get a preset - maybe, maybe not - but there are many markings in-game that satisfy me greatly. :3
I agree with Shiro, too.

They added loads of customization to at least satisfy some of our creative needs, which I'm highly grateful for. <3

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Magpie on January 10, 2011, 09:25:27 pm

I happily support paying for presets in game! Its nicer to pay for it and keep FH alive, then let it die because people are selfish and not willing to pay like two dollar for it. I do understand every one, but I know this might have been asked, but what to they look like if you haven't payed for it and are running around with it?

Please don;t argue with me, I'm young but have a good knowledge of gaming/server/computer stuff.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: JackFrost on January 10, 2011, 09:30:40 pm

No arguing here, I totally agree.

At least they're not charging us $20 for a preset. What if we could all throw our presets in willynilly? Then the whole marking characterization they worked so hard on would go to waste! :c

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Lovecat on January 10, 2011, 09:50:14 pm

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: kvcole on January 10, 2011, 10:04:06 pm

Thanks for posting this. I was reading the preset tutorial in the handbook and following the steps, but when it said 'You will see 4 folders" I was like, "WTF I see 10!" Thanks for this clarification! I thought my computer was messed or something.
But could you guys at least add a "How to send the presets to your friends" section or something in the handbook?
Or at least post a tutoiral somewhere in the preset section on the fourm. Because it would really help the poeple who've never created and posted a download before.

~Kennedi

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: The White Lion on January 10, 2011, 10:10:21 pm

I don't wanna be mean or anything...but I think this is outrageous. I'm not an adult, and I don't have a job to earn money. I work VERY hard for my allowance, and to have to spend it on a preset to get everyone to see it, to me is sad. In IT, you had a downloadable patch to see presets, and made them free. So WHY ON EARTH do you think it's better to charge money.

Please do make a poll Rak$ha, I feel strongly against this.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Miles101 on January 10, 2011, 10:22:40 pm

It costs a lot to manage a server. You don't have to pay the fee if you don't want to. Just give the download link to people. Plus, it's not that much to pay anyway. Just be happy the game is free.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: razmirz on January 10, 2011, 10:42:16 pm

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Aroxy on January 10, 2011, 10:55:26 pm

Very well cleared up, Raz

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: TealSkeletore on January 10, 2011, 11:12:24 pm

Guys I think you're all being a little bit too stubborn :P Paying for presets is just a FEW bucks compared to the hundreds (maybe thousands) of dollars that Razmirz is paying out of his OWN pocket just to keep the server up. Don't you want to help him? Be a little grateful!

Your preset is visible to everyone - in exchange for just a few bucks which will be helping to keep the server UP. Or would you rather FeralHeart be down again because of overload of presets, like it's down now(for a different reason)?

Another thing, this isn't available yet, but in an upcoming update, when you make a preset a file will appear that cannot be edited or changed. You put this file up for download on the forum and anyone who isn't lazy can just download it, and they won't be able to edit, or steal your preset because of this protected file. So you won't only be able to share it with your friends, but strangers as well!

So then, paying to have your preset on the server would just be so that your preset is visible those who are too lazy to go around downloading everyone's files.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Life on January 10, 2011, 11:16:38 pm

Honestly, I don't mind if we have to pay or not. I mean, it seems quite fair as the preset takes up more memory than a character that you've made in the customization part of the game. And the fact is, you can still send the preset as a download to your friends so they can see it. Not everyone HAS to see it.(It's like you really want to show off.But don't bash me, I understand how it feels to be proud of hard work and to want to show it and all.) But 3 or 4 dollars is not that bad. Though, (As I don't have paypal,job,or money to use for this.) I'll just send it to my friends and stuff..No big deal really. Or, as the markings are so awesome in the built-in customization, I will just make my Oc or fursona out of that till I am able to support the game by paying the money to have the preset show-able to others.(Anyway, sorry if the post makes no sense. I tend to not make any sense anyway.)

But I do have a question that might make me sound dense...But.. Would we have to pay to just see our presets, or just to pay so others can?(Really sorry for being a baka, but I need to clarify this) Also, if you do use your preset while others cannot see it, then what will the character look like to the ones who cannot see it?(Which includes mods, and people who I did not send the preset to.)

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: dharma on January 10, 2011, 11:19:59 pm

Teal, that's amazing. My preset isn't good enough for anyone to steal, but this will definitely address the concerns of people who make epic presets.

Here's a really crazy and far-fetched idea that probably isn't possible or feasible, but I'm bored, so here it goes:

Have people download the presets from each other, from their IP rather than having the server as a middle-man. It would be much like bittorrent where people get the file from each other and not a server, or like IM clients that have file sharing. Upon connecting to the server, your client checks the users, and if it sees one that has a preset you do not have yet, it will download their presets straight from their IP. This would only be one 1 at a time to minimize lag.

Yeah this idea is full of holes and problems and stuff, but I thought I'd throw it out anyways. Don't bite me for it.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: TealSkeletore on January 10, 2011, 11:22:34 pm

"Also, if you do use your preset while others cannot see it, then what will the character look like to the ones who cannot see it?"

They'll see the customization options that were put on the character before you selected the preset. So for example if you go into Create a new character, and you don't bother to change any of the colours and just put your preset on it, everyone else will just see the default lion. So you can mess around with the character edit before you select your preset so everyone else will see remotely what your character is supposed to look like.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Shiro on January 10, 2011, 11:47:58 pm

Well how much will they be? I might just try and get commissions on D.A to help me pay for a preset or two. c:

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: TealSkeletore on January 10, 2011, 11:48:50 pm

Tigg said 3-4 dollars.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Shiro on January 10, 2011, 11:51:21 pm

Okay that should be ok. I'll try to get $21-28 then for all 7 of mine and whatever extra I get from the commissions I'll just donate to Raz because i don't have a pay pal XD

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Tripwire on January 10, 2011, 11:57:04 pm

NOt saying I will have a preset, but what would be the acceptable methods of payment? paypal only?

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: weylin on January 11, 2011, 12:11:52 am

Superfeesh is making a system where all preset imagery is hosted remotely such as at imageshack, the server only stores the URL of these, and clients download the images from there, not off the main server.

You could use any host you want, even your own, the emphasis is on it not being on the game server, and that the preset data is ONLY downloaded when needed. (ie, someone logs into a room of 20 people, only they download it)

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: The White Lion on January 11, 2011, 12:14:15 am

Ok, I'm sorry about my post. I had a really bad day, I didn't mean it. I do think it's a bit unfair, and I do understand the cost to run a server and such, and make a FREE mmo game(I'm working on one myself), and I do have one question: can we post the download link to our preset on this forum, or on other forums? If we have permission, of course.

EDIT:
I just read the admin's and Raz's post above this, and their right. It must be really hard...so I'll definitely pay. I can convince one of my parents to give me money, or use my allowance. Thanks, FH team. Sorry about my earlier post ^^

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: 246ladybug13 on January 11, 2011, 01:00:26 am

will FH ever come back on? i just started when the surver went down :( please tell me when it will come on .... and please no bad comments please i really need help!!!! :D please lol

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Ancalagon on January 11, 2011, 01:11:50 am

I will pay for presets if it can help hold the servers up. C: I don't mind at all. It has Pro's and Con's but oh well it's a excellent idea.
And @ Josofine: This isn't the best place to post something like that. But to answer your question to get it out of the way, The servers are down and they are fixing it.. No biggie. C:

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: 246ladybug13 on January 11, 2011, 01:22:43 am

thy and sorry for posting that here lol
thanks for the help

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Ancalagon on January 11, 2011, 01:25:17 am

No problem. Just pay more attention next time.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: 246ladybug13 on January 11, 2011, 01:53:47 am

thank you and i might see on FH

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: oughjkg on January 11, 2011, 02:55:06 am

Im sorry but i really dont think we should have to pay at all.....
i know that yall put allot of work into it but....you should have where you buy prepaid cards to get a bunch of presets.....but i seriously think we should at least get 2 free....and be able to make a map free :\
i already made a map because i replaced the water mill with my own design....and i put allot of stuff on it....sooo wouldnt that cost a bunch... :\
I might just delete it off my computer and forget about it if we have to pay to play. :T
you might as well put it on a CD and sell it in stores if your going to do that. not trying to be mean....or be un greatfull. my family and I are already struggling with money and i dont have the money to pay every damn month for a game that cant make the lions even roar.

Thats my opinion.
(When i saw this...i thought all the waiting was a big rip off.) *Never played Impressive Title* & sure you can get mad at me for posting the message i really dont care.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Miles101 on January 11, 2011, 03:00:19 am

You're not paying to play, you're paying to have everyone, even those you don't know, to see your preset.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Kikay on January 11, 2011, 03:10:47 am

I think that we shouldn't be able to show them with everyone that plays feral heart if its that much trouble and money is involved. We should just be able to send them to people we know. That would be easier and simpler. :)

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Severa on January 11, 2011, 03:34:17 am

I have a suggestion for paying for presets:
Has Kovu or any other moderators heard of PayNearMe slips??? You could use those for people to pay for the game, in the US at least. All I know about them is that they are a printable sheet used for games that you can take to any 7-Eleven store and the cashier scans the paper, and asks for the exact amount of money specified on the paper. I just thought it might be a good idea because my parents don't like using credit cards, especially for paying for game extras.

Sorry if that is confusing, it's kind of hard to explain, but if a moderator is interested in this suggestion I can PM them explaining in greater detail.

Also I have a question: If someone pays to have their preset on the server, is the payment a one time thing or do they have to pay every month or something?

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: choosen on January 11, 2011, 03:35:46 am

I dont mind paying for persenal preset look. If i like the game.

What happens if i pay for 4 weeks and servers are down for 2 weeks. Will time still count or will it just count when servers ar up?

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Superfeesh on January 11, 2011, 05:55:54 am

i was just poking around (nice site C:), and saw this thread, and well, I want to make a suggestion that could solve the preset problems of taking up server space, and users being able to see other's presets.

Since FH uses ogre, you could use Flash in conjunction with Hikari library to render the textures onto each character. With this method, you can have the user upload their textures onto some image hosting site or somewhere on the internet, and feed the image URLs into the game, where the user's client, on request, will download the textures from the urls provided. It's the method I use for my own game. That way, you don't have presets eating away at server space, and presets are visible to everyone. I have code and an example (again, my game xD) that shows that this method actually works. c: I don't know if using Flash is exactly uhh... memory efficient, but it might be worth a shot.

I hope my explanation wasn't too confusing :'D

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: weylin on January 11, 2011, 06:17:51 am

Oh hello Super XD

I just suggested that in the last page, mentioning you ;D

I think it would be the best way to manage it for sure.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Staceybob on January 11, 2011, 09:18:31 am

This post really seems to be giving the wrong impression.

You havent go to pay to play. You can send presets for FREE to your friends or host them on a site and post in a forum for everyone to download OR you can pay a fee to have everyone automatically get it.

...

Just pass them around for free!

Stacey xxx

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: TealSkeletore on January 11, 2011, 10:56:54 am

^ Exactly Stacey, I wish people would learn how to read.

Supah - That's really useful, maybe Kov will look into it.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Tigg on January 11, 2011, 11:04:06 am

Quote from: superfeesh on January 11, 2011, 05:55:54 am

i was just poking around (nice site C:), and saw this thread, and well, I want to make a suggestion that could solve the preset problems of taking up server space, and users being able to see other's presets.

Since FH uses ogre, you could use Flash in conjunction with Hikari library to render the textures onto each character. With this method, you can have the user upload their textures onto some image hosting site or somewhere on the internet, and feed the image URLs into the game, where the user's client, on request, will download the textures from the urls provided. It's the method I use for my own game. That way, you don't have presets eating away at server space, and presets are visible to everyone. I have code and an example (again, my game xD) that shows that this method actually works. c: I don't know if using Flash is exactly uhh... memory efficient, but it might be worth a shot.

I hope my explanation wasn't too confusing :'D

But those Pictures then are in the Folders of Cache, means everyone could theoretically get the Textures and use them as own. Plus you cant use own Material Files which would mean no Transparent Textures, no Moving Textures and so on :/ And that also means one Texture is shown on both sides on the Preset, so the character cant have a different Marking on the right site of the Body than on the left. This is what Kov wants to avoid, to smite Users possibilities in being creative.

And i dun want to Imagine what the Internet-Connection says when the Screeen is full of Presets where the Comp first needs to download them. Not everyones Computer is strong or has a fast connection o____o

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: 12dollars on January 11, 2011, 11:53:35 am

What I'm worried about is people stealing my preset designs, and I'm sure thats crossed some other peoples minds... would mods be on the lookout to make sure people aren't copying them?

Edit: I read one of the previous comments about an update where the preset is created into one file, that would be most excellent. Lots of people work hard on their presets and it would be a shame if people went around claiming them as their own.
Is there any more news on this update?

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: rosestar on January 11, 2011, 12:12:58 pm

Id gladly pay, if i knew it was helping the server :) wish i could pay by mobile lol ^^

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: 12dollars on January 11, 2011, 12:32:24 pm

Mobile would be a real easy way for paying for presets O_O
And I'm sure younger members who don't have a PayPal would be able to use that too. The question is however, how can you pay with mobile XD

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Tiacat on January 11, 2011, 12:42:13 pm

It would be really great if there is a way to pay with your mobile. I have lots of money on my mobile, wondering when I will be able to spend it all. ;D

But the question stays. How?

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: 12dollars on January 11, 2011, 12:59:17 pm

Yeah, I almost never use my mobile, but would the preset prices just be 3-4 $ for it to be permanent, or would it have to be monthly/yearly continues payment?

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: TealSkeletore on January 11, 2011, 01:08:19 pm

Have you ever played Runescape? You can get membership by texting them.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: KisaCrescent on January 11, 2011, 01:37:05 pm

if its gonna be 3 - 4 dollars i can have my mom rummage that up from meh bank her self, and btw ppl shouldn't b getting mad at any post's i been making i've noticed comments here not naming but saying things against "fairness" .-. no need to be so rude. and i'm not gonna read threw this hole thing cuz it probably make me fall asleep, me and moonshade just want to know if preset's are gonna be a one time thing or a monthly thing or a yearly thing.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: kvcole on January 11, 2011, 01:51:23 pm

I'm willing to pay for them. My parents would probablly say no, but i'd find a way to make it work.
But the question is how?
There are a lot of youngsters on FH, and some people just don't want to go through the trouble of making a paypal account.
There would have to be some sort of system where we could simply send the money to.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: KisaCrescent on January 11, 2011, 02:07:51 pm

i agree with Kennedi. so many of u guys have been bickering about preset's *including my self* that we've left out the question is how exactly are we gonna pay for this?

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Tigg on January 11, 2011, 03:03:50 pm

The Paymethod is not choosed yet, because it will need lots of Organisation and we have to look first how the Preset System will worked, cause that is not done yet. So please dont ask how to pay, its not decidet yet.

For the safety of the Prests, no, if someone stole your Texrures, we only can tell them to not use them, but other than that, we cant do anything about it.

Well, you all know now Server Prests are expensive for the Server. But you would pay just arround 3 - 4 Bucks.

Presetfiles will be able to get saved from stealing Textures.

Paymentsystem and Preset System for the Server is not been decidet / done.

So for now, the Thread gets closed until we have further Information. Please dont open new Threads regarding the Presetsystem and/or payment of them, nor how the Files will been saved. Those Threads will get locked.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: razmirz on January 12, 2011, 12:10:31 am

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Coyena on January 13, 2011, 09:11:41 pm

I would be willing to pay for this. Paypal is always an awesome option, its quick, reliable, and easy to set up.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: emmajo on January 14, 2011, 07:21:02 pm

sowe this game are not free enimore:C

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: kvcole on January 14, 2011, 08:16:47 pm

Yes it is. It's the coustomised markings that arn't.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Twiliac on January 15, 2011, 12:55:03 am

Game = Free.

Presets = Have to pay for.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: GaaraRocks! on January 15, 2011, 01:31:39 am

presets actually have come in handy. Put it this way. i have a character that has different color markings now kov only let the players choose 1 color for all markings from head to tail. Well my preset has a mixture of colors for the markings. If i stuck with the markings kov give us i wouldnt have much freedom to create a character that i wanted. So imagine having the head marking dark red and the back marking grey. Thats whats good about the presets. There isnt much creativity without the presets.
But still when the game comes out im just going to send the presets to friends. That way it wont take space on the server or anything.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Eclipse! on January 15, 2011, 12:38:30 pm

Im not to bothered with presets xD I cant get the hang of making one! :)

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: VictoryStar on January 15, 2011, 03:16:54 pm

Hmmm.... I'm sure many players would like this feature, though I don't see why we couldn't just upload our presets to the site for others so they could see. Even though there's the possibility they could steal it... I would much rather that happen then having to pay. But maybe it's just me.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: dragoness123 on January 15, 2011, 05:37:35 pm

i say NO to paying for presets its just not worth it i would just pay for something else that makes more sense to pay for. this is not an offencive reply its just my opinion, but it is not a good idea to pay for something to show ppl for like what 2 minutes? just not worth it.

sorry KovuLKD it just dosent make sense. :(

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: GemWolf on January 15, 2011, 05:55:36 pm

Hang on, I don't think Tig stated this. (If he did, then don't mind this.) But, how will the subscriptions work? Will it be that if you pay once it's permanent? Or will you have to renew it? I'm willing to pay for presets, I think this is actually a great addition to help out paying for the server. I just wanna know how it will work so I can be sure to have a payment schedule planned out.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Sarabi97 on January 15, 2011, 07:21:20 pm

I'm totally dying to play this game with other people! PLEASE, get the game to work asap!! PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE.

Thanks :)

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Sarabi97 on January 15, 2011, 07:51:26 pm

Everyone, I think what's already in the Character Edit is already pretty good...for now. There is already a decent variety of Body/Head/Tail marking to choose from. Like someone else said before, I think presets should be put off, right now, and we need to try and figure out how to get the front server/multiplayer up and running again (If we already KNOW how to get it working again, then that should be worked on first, before the presets). ;)

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: RedWine on January 15, 2011, 08:08:06 pm

I personally understand that it would cost a lot to place and send information on the server. :0
I don't mind really, though I was hoping other wise for presets. But paying would be fine with me.

... Do you guys take donations?(random question)

Also, do you think a physical computer server would help out? I mean, maybe it wouldn't cost so much.
I have one of my own and my brothers and I would sometimes use it to play our own games with our cousins across the valley. : D

That way you don't have to pay a fee for hosting the game on someone else's server... but you'd still have to pay the power bill. xD;

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Eclipse! on January 15, 2011, 10:43:29 pm

Lol I think the presets are hard to make...LOL haaaardd! in my opinion anyway!

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: EvaWolfy on January 16, 2011, 11:34:53 am

hello. I am new and i trying play from yesterday. Is server still down? When can i start play? :s

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Sajination on January 16, 2011, 12:20:20 pm

I think that paying for presets is a very good idea. Mainly because I understand that it was hard to make FH, and because of the server payment it will be a good way to make money. And if everyone has a preset, then the server will probably just break with the amount of them. Also, if everyone focuses on making presets, then whats the point of having Roleplay in the game? Everyone will be concentrating on what their character looks like and showing it off more than anything else.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: OkamiAmaterasu1 on January 16, 2011, 07:06:33 pm

I JUST WANT THE SERVERS TO GET BACK UP SO I CAN PLAY THE GAME!~is almost ripping out hair~

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Robin_Wolfieh on January 16, 2011, 09:08:10 pm

Some of you are posting on the wrong thread. The server is down, it will take a while to fix, they lowered the bandwith of the game (which could explain why I can't see my presets on "Character Creator"). For the time being, post on some forums and/or fumble around with the features.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Toodle on January 17, 2011, 12:04:23 am

I would be prepared to pay for presets. (:

I tried to make one myself, and gave up half way through cause it was so dang hard. Alot of work and creativity goes into those presets... that's why I think they should cost.

But like people have said, let the admins concerntrate on getting the servers up first. X3

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Kodiak on January 17, 2011, 01:41:04 am

This seems reasonable to me. They were nice enough to make the game free in the first place, and not have to pay for extra worlds. They even gave us a crapload of options to customize our character without creating presets, which were also free. Wanting to add your preset into the game is something extra you want to add to your game, so it makes sense to have to pay for extra stuff that does not exactly affect your gameplay. Presets are just a little something extra that give your game a bit more visual and artistic freedom.

Plus, it's only three or four bucks, guys! Whether it is a one time payment or a monthly/yearly payment, it is still a good deal! When you buy games in stores nine times out of ten the game itself costs thirty to fifty bucks, and then to add expansions that costs another twenty bucks. If you think of it this way, the game is already free, and your just paying for an expansion, and three/four bucks compared to twenty is great in my opinion.

Just thought I'd give my two cents on the matter ;)

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Dellandra on January 17, 2011, 01:56:12 am

like others have said why are we worrying about presets now? if the game is down adn no one can play the presets are not a huge matter at the moment and it does not take a lot of time to create your own character(s) i rather just spend two mins and create my own lion or wolf by my-self

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: AkitaHaru on January 17, 2011, 06:18:23 am

Jest out of Curiousness <==( Not a real word but it is to me D= )If we are able to Send the file, Than Why cant we come up with a solution as to posting a file some where on the forms for our Presets allowing people to chose to downland the files, there are people who like to be up dated and some people who don't really care, Wouldn't it be fairly easy to jest make a way for people to chose To download? So not making them pay and letting them chose weather to be updated or not? i don't really no ,but seems to me there could be a way to have people put there presets together and have them put into the game though a download and than have that person jest move the file to the correct place?

I'm jest rambling but if any one gets the idea of what im trying to say here feel free to fix this horrible Post <.<

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Aroxy on January 17, 2011, 07:28:17 am

I can't remember if i posted on this or not, but i know my opinion a while ago was that i wouldn't pay for a preset.. but, if i can find someone to make the preset idea i have in mind, i'd totally pay for it to be on FH. I mean.. four dollars is really not that much money

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Staceybob on January 17, 2011, 11:44:17 am

...Or you could just upload them to a website, like a normal file, for example megaupload.com and share it with one another for FREE.

THATS FREE.

FREEEEEEEEEEEEEE.

If someone used your textures, others wouldn't be able to see it unless you had it set to run on their username anyway so....

Yeah.. I think I've said this 3 times now lol.

Stacey xxx

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Twiliac on January 17, 2011, 03:00:46 pm

Lol, nice Stacey and hola ;3.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Sarabi97 on January 17, 2011, 03:59:29 pm

I cried myself to sleep last night because FH was broken. :( I'm not kidding. I'm seriously depressed from all of this...we've all waited sooo long and it's finally here and we broke it.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Robin_Wolfieh on January 17, 2011, 04:23:12 pm

@Emily
The game is down for a while. It isn't broken (if it was broken, all of us wouldn't even get to the Title Screen), its only the multiplayer that's offline.

-and by the way, wrong topic.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Sarabi97 on January 17, 2011, 11:51:43 pm

I know it's not "broken"...I meant...yeah we just can't get on the multiplayer thing........and yes. I realize this is the wrong topic. ;D

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: ravin on January 18, 2011, 05:13:33 pm

i tried to change my forum name , why didnt it work <: C

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Kirsui on January 18, 2011, 05:20:09 pm

@ Molly: This is kind of the wrong topic to ask for that.
As for the answer though, it should work if you edit your forum display name and type in your current password to the field next to Change profile button. Your username (= the name you login with) will remain the same, but it will change the name everyone else sees on the forum.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Taki on January 19, 2011, 12:31:22 am

Personally, I think what is important is that my friends see my preset. So I'm ok with just putting up my files on the forum for friends/anyone to download. No big deal imo.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: AkitaHaru on January 19, 2011, 06:16:07 am

I say If you want your Thing used jest pass it around to friends Its simple and free maybe a form For presets would help slightly but as far as the hole pay thing goes its probably easier on every one to jest pass to friends

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Eruvyreth on January 19, 2011, 02:07:29 pm

Will there be some kind of profile system in-game?

If so, you could put the URL to your preset downloads in that, so even if you meet new people in the game, they could easily get your preset and see you 'properly' without having to contact you some way outside the game to get the link.

Not everyone is active on the forums for games, after all, and some people wouldn't want to give out their IM names or emails just to share a link.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Jackthecoolguy on January 19, 2011, 04:01:35 pm

I was thinking of suggesting like that. You could upload the preset to a repository or onto a seperate website and link it to your character, then other people could download it (automatically if they choose so).

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: ravin on January 19, 2011, 10:10:01 pm

i dont think it worked <: (

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: nalochka468 on January 20, 2011, 02:12:04 pm

why some players can already play FH, the game is still not working!(
Here is the link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VldFrY83uU8&feature=related
I found it in youtube
question: how can they play?

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: nalochka468 on January 20, 2011, 02:13:31 pm

sorry if this is off topic

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: PaJayJay on January 20, 2011, 02:53:42 pm

@Kiara468
Note that this was posted on January fifth, that was before the servers crashed of overuse. The server was up on the fifth for a few hours.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: AkitaHaru on January 20, 2011, 05:30:32 pm

I personal Like Eruvyreth's Idea of a profile System In game

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Amari on January 24, 2011, 07:16:41 am

Personally, I'm just going to give my preset to friends. I'm not going to post it on the forum for the simple fact that I don't trust someone to not steal it and say it's their character and so on. I'm protective over characters I take hours to come up with. Took me a year to get Amari just right :p

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Sarabi97 on January 24, 2011, 12:44:06 pm

How long have the servers been broken?? Like...19 days or somethin like that? :\ Please fix it in February if not this month. :-X

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: irawrs on January 24, 2011, 01:01:02 pm

Be patient Emily. The staff is working as hard as they can at the moment. Nobody knows when the server might be up again.

I am experimenting with presets and at the moment, I'm not giving them to friends or any others because I am very insecure about my possesions <,< >.> >:)

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: RedWind on January 26, 2011, 01:25:21 am

i couldnt pay for it even if i wanted to my family struggling with money atm cuz bad economy so i cant really afford to pay for anything atm :( so yea i cant pay for presets at all

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Kirsui on January 26, 2011, 10:40:57 am

^ You could still play the game without paying for a preset. It's just something additional, assuming you would want it to be on the server instead of handing it out to people you want to be able to see your preset. :)

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Sarabi97 on January 26, 2011, 09:10:57 pm

I only wanna wait a few more days... :( I can't be patient for much longer. Iz killin me.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Flaze on January 27, 2011, 02:43:46 am

Well if it's going to eat the bandwith... I think just being able to play is much more important. ^^

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Lilydehanna on January 27, 2011, 05:02:10 pm

i dont know if i can stay without playing

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Tawny on January 27, 2011, 05:59:55 pm

Stop talking about the server being down here, this is about the issue of paying for presets. The admins wont really take any more notice here than anywhere else, they do read around, and they're doing the best they can do right now. :/

Back onto topic, I'd be happy to pay the small price listed for the sake of presets, though I don't see how the 'send the preset to friends via link for it to show' set up would work, but I'm sure you guys have all of that covered.
I'd much rather go with this than have the server derping again, but, then again, I'd probably pay either way because making small presets has become a pass time of mine. :3

EDIT: And the idea of a profile system seems very snazzy indeed.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Ciath on January 27, 2011, 06:59:20 pm

Well, i think i'd pay for small price - i don't usuall pay for internet games and parent's won't let me.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: bellona on January 27, 2011, 08:31:37 pm

I really don't see why people are complaining about paying. If they HAD to pay for the actual game, then you can complain. But you don't, it's free. You also have a choice for paying for presets; you can share the download with friends or choose to pay for it to be on the server. I know i'm just stating the obvious, but i felt it needed to be said. :P

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Glacerix on January 27, 2011, 10:55:32 pm

Do you know when the server will be open? I really want to play this game.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Twiliac on January 28, 2011, 02:12:16 am

Stop asking about the servers on this thread. This is for preset talk only, not the servers.

Some times you have to get your point across...any how. The idea seems interesting xd.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Sarine on January 28, 2011, 11:58:18 am

Lol actually agreed, Twilia. xP Just be patient, people. Asking over and over won't change anything. >P

Just like many people said already .. paying for presets is an option, the game is still free. x) So yes, why not allow those who can and want to pay, do so? (:

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Naphiro on January 28, 2011, 12:12:15 pm

I just made my first preset yesterday and the big bummer is I forgot to delete the guidelines before I saved it

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Glacerix on January 28, 2011, 09:23:52 pm

OK GOSH I WAS JUST ASKING! SORRY FOR ASKING!

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Painful on January 29, 2011, 01:08:41 am

Around $3-4 isn't much guys. I don't see why you are complaing so much about it. It's only for people who want it, you can still play the game without the presets with the amazing markings they already have :)
And don't ask about the servers, this is a board about the presets; not the servers.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: shell_prisoner on January 29, 2011, 08:56:46 am

Quote

Around $3-4 isn't much guys. I don't see why you are complaing so much about it. It's only for people who want it, you can still play the game without the presets with the amazing markings they already have

I think it is licensing problem. There are free-for-non-commercial-use parts in the game (such as RakNet), and if you want to accept payments you have to purchase commercial license for those parts. It might cost very much.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: FirestarLuva on January 29, 2011, 11:08:15 am

I agree with Zarago and Sarine. I don't think it's worth it :| There are lots of markings to choose from - to make your own characters in the game. Well it's fine for me, I've made three so far, don't know about the others.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Miette on January 29, 2011, 05:18:04 pm

So what Sheek is working on on the other site is so that everyone can see them for free? Or did I misunderstand it...

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: puppy dog wolf on January 30, 2011, 02:16:59 am

hi,i was wondering why there are only 2 presets not to bother with it but why? the rest and yellow and black! and it makes my wolf look werd! lol

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: cookie on January 30, 2011, 05:27:55 am

what are presets? The characters?

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Painful on January 30, 2011, 12:08:20 pm

Presets are character textures you make for yourself that are unique from the normal markings.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Ciath on January 30, 2011, 03:48:56 pm

I would paw a little money like 1$ - 5$. But no more. My parents avoids of paying for online games.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Gatohawk97 on January 31, 2011, 01:27:50 am

As long as this does not bother those who do not really want presets I'm fine with what ever you do
as long as the game it's self is free...

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: 12dollars on January 31, 2011, 04:58:52 am

Now thinking about it, I dont think I would mind paying for mine to be on the server. I spent a lot of time and effort making my presets.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Painful on January 31, 2011, 07:38:03 am

No, this does not effect people who do not want presets. It's only for those who want their preset to be seen by everyone. But you can still use a preset without everyone seeing it, only you and your friends.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Ziel on January 31, 2011, 07:53:52 pm

The only thing is, some friends... though "friends", might turn and back stab you, stealing your preset if you give them the file.

So unless you trust them 100%, then it might be wiser to pay for it to be put on the server if you don't want your work stolen.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Shaibelle on January 31, 2011, 09:21:40 pm

I just make presets for myself to mess around with. = D no problems on my part if everyone else just sees a white blur. And as it's been said, we can always share the files with our friends so they can see it too.

Anyway- it's whatever the respective owners/creators (etc) want to do. ^_^;

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: weylin on February 01, 2011, 11:01:16 am

This isn't a commercial game, your payment to have a preset visible to all is just to cover the bandwidth cost of distributing to the possibly thousands of users that will be needing to download it on their computer.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Painful on February 01, 2011, 04:38:36 pm

You don't need to send the actual file to your friends, there's a code they can enter as far as I remember, with the username_preset# sort of thing... I think. XD

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: aliki on February 01, 2011, 09:09:33 pm

please please i cant custimize my char..... its white and the colors dont work...i just got a new pc for x mas and it wont work.. i have tried everything... please fix this.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Painful on February 01, 2011, 09:44:31 pm

Well, first of all questions about this shouldn't be asked here. Go to the help board.
And secondly, it could be you have to redownload it. But check around on the help board, there should be something there.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: FadedTimes on February 02, 2011, 03:41:16 am

Well im fine with that, I was thinking of doing presets, but I just dont have the money to put up on server, even for a super low price. Im quite happy with the options we already have to make our characters, I dont get why people are complaining when the game is free anyway. Presets are just an option, doesnt mean someone is better than you.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Painful on February 02, 2011, 04:31:09 pm

I agree with Taylor. At least the game is free, and you don't HAVE to get a preset. I'd be quite happy with just the default markings. There are plenty to choose from and it's highly customizable.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Zaroque on February 03, 2011, 07:12:05 pm

I dont particularily think Presents would be much fun, as Zarago/Sarine said earlier I think markings would be anough.
Plus this costs money, so I am not so keen on the idea either, unfortunatly. The markings are wonderful, and we do not want to over load on this sort of items.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Silkkis on February 04, 2011, 05:51:16 am

Well.. I would like to make present and I would also pay small price for usinf it BUT.. I'm not sure if I can pay for it because I have a bit problems with paying systems. Example I cant pay for games with my phone cause it just doesn't work.

But still I'm happy enought with these normal markins. :]

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: ravin on February 06, 2011, 05:05:33 pm

I downloaded this on FRIDAY and it keeps saying (5 failed attempts 15 min ban ) and its been 3 days!!!!!!! what did i do wrong?

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: GemWolf on February 06, 2011, 05:22:57 pm

Ravin, please. This is a thread about presets and as well as everyone else, Take you problems with the game to the Game Help board. This is specifically about paying for presets. Not the issues you're having with the game.
Sorry. Just had to say that.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: 12dollars on February 07, 2011, 12:42:35 am

The files can be converted, does that mean they can still be stolen?

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: EssenceOfShadow on February 07, 2011, 05:29:51 am

Is it clarified, then, that we CAN pay for presets?
If we can now, then where is the payment option?

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Twiliac on February 07, 2011, 12:07:45 pm

Quote from: Swifty on February 07, 2011, 12:42:35 am

The files can be converted, does that mean they can still be stolen?

You can't edited a exported preset, all you'd get is a bunch of odd letters, ect.

Let alone without the images, how could they steal it? It is on your computer.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: nightbeam on February 09, 2011, 03:07:13 am

I thought it was time for me to put my input into this thread...

Quite frankly, some people aren't as blessed as others with extra money; in fact, here in America, we're currently getting hit with an economic crisis. I understand that it might be lucrative to get people to pay to use their presets, but some people wouldn't be able to afford it. Yes, yes; just like in Furcadia and in all others games, there is always the ability to use the provided markings and the likes to create your characters. This, of course, would be acceptable for those who do NOT use presets. I think it is a waste of time, honestly. We're expecting people to pay to show a bit of individualism?

That's just my two cents.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: 12dollars on February 09, 2011, 10:21:47 am

Thats good that they can't get stolen. I'm still unsure if I do or don't want to pay. Maybe if I'm 100% happy that my character design wont change I will.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: nightbeam on February 10, 2011, 02:24:31 am

I was just thinking this over, and I think it would be better to have maps uploaded to the server instead of presets. Don't you guys think that it's a pain to only have your map visible to a collect amount of people? If we uploaded the maps to the server, then we wouldn't have to worry about certain patches/objects being omitted because someone doesn't have the file. I'd rather pay for that than paying for a preset.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Twiliac on February 11, 2011, 02:52:03 am

Do believe that would belong on another thread, not here.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: nightbeam on February 12, 2011, 12:47:25 am

You believe, but I do not. Haha. Me merely tossing out an idea for a prompt does not belong else where when it contains the main topic.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Twiliac on February 12, 2011, 01:30:43 am

It's not a preset is it? No, thus it doesn't belong here.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Amari on February 12, 2011, 07:39:51 pm

I'm happy with the normal markings for any character but one. Amari has several markings that do not come with the game. On IT I had at least two of her body markings (She has 5 and then her Dragon Mark) There is only one marking this time for her. Therefore, I'm willing to pay a small fee for her preset to go on the server.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: -Toboe- on February 15, 2011, 08:51:07 pm

I really would like Feralheart to stay free. I know you guys want money for the game to make it better, most likely, but I think the normal markings are fine :).

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Painful on February 15, 2011, 08:53:45 pm

Feralheart WILL stay free. This is only for people who want them. If you don't want to pay for presets, you don't need to. Simple XD

But if it's a case of you want presets to be free, that isn't going to happen. At least, for a long time. Because they have to pay for all these extra textures to be added into the game.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Savannah1889 on February 17, 2011, 09:29:14 pm

i can't log in what do i do?

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: GemWolf on February 18, 2011, 12:05:10 am

Try posting in the HELP board maybe..

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Duskers on February 22, 2011, 03:33:44 am

Not post it in a random thread?

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: kovu2296 on February 22, 2011, 11:01:41 am

to be honest presets for servers and small things like markings must cost an absolute fortune in bandwith seeing as there are normally of an average of 400 people + always on the srver and the prices i have seen would turn you inside out why is everything to expensive

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: OkamiAmaterasu1 on February 22, 2011, 02:43:50 pm

It is late February and I take it the server still isn't up. How eventful. ~is board to death~

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: GemWolf on February 22, 2011, 03:07:53 pm

@Okami: The server is up. You have to download the newest version and patch, but this isn't the place to discuss the server.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Duskers on February 22, 2011, 08:56:24 pm

Okami, wtf, didn't you see everyone yelling at the other person who posted in a random thread?

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: PunPun-kun on February 27, 2011, 09:51:26 pm

I just followed the instruction how to put the preset in game and followed step by step but I cant get it to show in the preset thing in character creation thing...?
can someone help?

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Twiliac on February 27, 2011, 10:24:06 pm

Make a thread in the help section do not ask on here.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: hunt on March 24, 2011, 06:41:24 pm

hi

Edit: Please do not make such short, unnecessary posts. This isn't related to the topic at hand. Thank you! ^^ ~arsenicCatnip

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Squidyly on March 26, 2011, 09:46:13 pm

Thanks Tigg Answers all my questions ^^

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Safaiatsukiookami on March 27, 2011, 02:21:50 am

Interesting proposal,But i can see the admins point about taking bandwidth,And the server crashing would be a bad thing indeed,I wonder if this would be ever possible,Especially considering the bandwidth and server crashing parts.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Death_The_Kid on March 27, 2011, 10:48:14 pm

Quote from: Safaiatsukiookami on March 27, 2011, 02:21:50 am

Interesting proposal,But i can see the admins point about taking bandwidth,And the server crashing would be a bad thing indeed,I wonder if this would be ever possible,Especially considering the bandwidth and server crashing parts.

There actually may be a way(i could be wrong here) But if they took off the preset color option maybe deleted half of the customization options it would be possible but one issue is that not everyone can edit and make custom presets plus about 70% of the votes to to do would be No since everyone wants to keep the customizations and such. but you never know they could do a funding thing to buy enough bandwith im sure maybe if they made like Feral heart shirts or maybe custom pins or other little trinkets they could purchase a big one but this is just my opinion

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: NeloAngelo on April 01, 2011, 06:18:50 pm

Make a one time payment just like minecraft, I think it is worth the money defiantly and just like Death said little custom things to sell. Maybe you can find a sponsor from an animal rights organisation just like wolf quest all sorts off things you can think off just be a little creative and use the space you can

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Punk Rockerr on April 02, 2011, 12:48:35 pm

One question; I make presets etc,etc. and I'm pretty darn proud of them; are you saying that when I use them in game; no one can see them? o.O If not; what do they see? It's just, people have answered but not in a sense that I quite understand - I sound stupid now. .__. -

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Safaiatsukiookami on April 03, 2011, 03:57:48 am

You don't sound "stupid" don't think that,None of us will make fun of you here,We're all friends right?

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Rak$ha on April 03, 2011, 11:32:42 pm

Quote from: Emma Murphy on April 02, 2011, 12:48:35 pm

One question; I make presets etc,etc. and I'm pretty darn proud of them; are you saying that when I use them in game; no one can see them? o.O If not; what do they see? It's just, people have answered but not in a sense that I quite understand - I sound stupid now. .__. -

Okay i'll explain.

You know when you first create a character, colors, markings ect?
When you go to the last tab (picking the pelt colors ect) on the create a character page, there is a 'Presets' and a 'Custom' button.
When you click preset, people who have your preset.fhz file will be able to see your preset, and everyone who doesn't have your preset.fhz file (Found in my_presets folder) will see the 'Custom' version of your character C:

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: MustangCharm on April 04, 2011, 07:52:01 pm

OHHH! I get it now lol... so I could make a character that looks like my preset, but I could actually use my real preset instead. So I see the real version, and they see a makeshift version? That helped a lot Rak$ha lol! So you can play with your presets, people just cannot see them?

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: NeloAngelo on April 05, 2011, 08:28:31 am

yep that's pretty much the idea behind it, then could see it if you pass them the .FHZ file and tell them to put it in the presets folder in your main map

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: MustangCharm on April 05, 2011, 11:24:52 pm

COOL! Lol thanks everyone, I guess I don't mind really, my presets aren't that god anyway lol.
I hope more people can send you money for the bandwith to help out, I'd like to see everyone UNITE!

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: stormkew on April 08, 2011, 06:14:47 pm

This seems quite fair. But it doesn't really affect me because I don't try and make presets XD. If, however, I did pay attention long enough to complete a preset I would only really want my friends to see it. x

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Wildatspirit3 on April 10, 2011, 01:02:27 pm

Yay!! thanks for literally answering ALL of my questions abuout the presets being in game and all. thx ^ . ^

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Toxikk on April 10, 2011, 04:36:49 pm

Guys guys! We don't need presets for all to see, infact, if you want all to see, upload them to a file sharer and post them. Then the people who want to see it, can download and be able any time. c:

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Safaiatsukiookami on April 11, 2011, 02:35:30 am

Would that not be bad,Cause could they not use it than? I don't know cause one page on this site only loads partway and most of it is under firefox scroll bar and won't let me scroll down further for some reason,I find it odd and annoying.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Nyla on April 11, 2011, 02:25:52 pm

Here's a solution, Saffy; Don't use Firefox. Use Chrome, or if you must, IE.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Safaiatsukiookami on April 12, 2011, 12:24:18 am

I'll try it and oddly enough i like that nickname.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Avani on April 12, 2011, 02:33:58 pm

Well Toxik~ not everybody downloads presets : P
But if you want everybody on FH to see it you must pay ^.^

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Toxikk on April 12, 2011, 09:31:53 pm

Well, the people who wanna see it will xP

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Mous4u on April 13, 2011, 01:59:48 pm

Well what if the present makers send it to them for Free?!

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Avani on April 13, 2011, 06:47:35 pm

Toxik~: Yeah xP
I download presets :3

Mous4u: Yeah maybe that would be something! o:

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Blush on April 14, 2011, 12:09:42 am

I suggest looking at how IMVU deals with their skins. Instead of said-textures being on the server at all times, it loads the textures into a temp folder on the player's computer. These temp folders can be deleted by the user over time to clear out what they don't need anymore. When you come in contact with said-texture, it loads and saves onto the user's computer in the temp folder, not the server. If you haven't cleared your temp folders, you don't have to load them everytime you enter a portal because they are saved in the user's temp folder instead.

Then again, this would be hard on someone's computer loading a huge map such as the Plains, but if the plains were divided into small sections it could be possible. You would also need a file size limit on textures probably. Therefore reducing what Feral Heart would have to pay for servers.

That way Feral Heart could charge money for something worth spending money on and save server space.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Zaroque on April 15, 2011, 11:28:25 am

Quote from: Mous4u on April 13, 2011, 01:59:48 pm

Well what if the present makers send it to them for Free?!

Well they're only reason for a player to have to pay for them is that they're a lot of work. ^^

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Shallows on April 16, 2011, 09:55:20 am

I agree with a couple of others too, it just isn't worth it. Yes, it's nice having your own personal touch to the game, but there are lots of designs anyway and it seems a waste if we are just making our own presets. After all, a lot of people would have trouble paying, as I think most people who play are 10-19(?) and would probably not be able to afford it.

This is just my opinion. I'm not looking for an argument. c:

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Sarine on April 17, 2011, 09:04:35 am

Well I agree with that statement, that there are quite a few people that won't/can't pay. But what about those who can? Why not give them the chance to show off their artistic skills? I find nothing bad on that, but the opposite, I think it's a good opportunity for them. :3

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Safaiatsukiookami on April 24, 2011, 03:41:41 am

I have an idea! Why not make a thread on here where users can post links to download theirs presets so that everyone can see them!

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Sarine on April 24, 2011, 11:27:22 am

I think the "Presets" section could do..? :B

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: littlemeow100 on April 24, 2011, 11:53:55 pm

eh hard times i will not be able to pay sad xD

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Zaroque on April 25, 2011, 03:32:13 pm

Quote from: wolf on April 24, 2011, 11:53:55 pm

eh hard times i will not be able to pay sad xD

I think thats the problem with a lot of us, loads of finactial difficulties. I don't think many people are going to bother to pay the money unfortuantly. 3=

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: IntendedSuicide on April 25, 2011, 04:04:00 pm

I agree although it would be nice to have presets that every one can see, money Dow make a difficult situation and most would not bother nor want to pay for them.

The preset section will be sufficient enough for now, I think that it will readuce the number of char theift but that's just me.

If people want to pay then maybe we should look at numbers there is No point if 5% want to pay and the other 95% don't, I know personally I could care less. Mai friends are all that I care about seeing them any way.

Well can't wait to see what the ending decision will be^^

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Ciath on May 02, 2011, 04:03:34 am

Well, i'm pretty OK with this, because i go internet shopping, and my parents does, too. And i would love to have presers on the servers. ^_^

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Tigg on May 04, 2011, 03:51:26 pm

Edited the First Post of the Thread. Read the Last update at the Bottom, its rather important.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: slycan on May 05, 2011, 01:50:18 am

@ Tigg

About the whole 39000 members x 3 Presets..you didn't calculate the factor for cost for presets ^^'. If they are about $5 each v.s. $10 each (+ factor in the cost if upkeep is monthly /or/ if it's yearly /or/ just one time payment. +assuming there would be charges to 'update' a preset.) I think its safe to assume that not ~everyone~ will be willing to pay.

or does this mean that atleast 3 presets will be free for each member and put on the server? o:

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Tigg on May 05, 2011, 04:14:57 pm

Quote from: Slycan on May 05, 2011, 01:50:18 am

@ Tigg

About the whole 39000 members x 3 Presets..you didn't calculate the factor for cost for presets ^^'. If they are about $5 each v.s. $10 each (+ factor in the cost if upkeep is monthly /or/ if it's yearly /or/ just one time payment. +assuming there would be charges to 'update' a preset.) I think its safe to assume that not ~everyone~ will be willing to pay.

or does this mean that atleast 3 presets will be free for each member and put on the server? o:

About any costs we still arent sure, i just made an update why they cant be free.
And nooo sorry lol 3 was just an example. No Preset will be free, not a single one.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: slycan on May 05, 2011, 04:29:27 pm

ah okay I understand now danke ~<3

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Daykali on May 07, 2011, 09:11:04 pm

Feral Heart - Free game to play

Default Markings - Free to use

Free Presets - Send to your friends so they can see it. It's free.

Server Presets which are visible to all - Pay for.

Simple as that, if you really want one you'd find a way to pay for one. Not to sound snarky or anything but the game is free and if you want your preset PUBLIC for EVERYONE to see then you pay for it. It's quite simple to understand. It's not like you'd be paying an arm and a leg for it if they were to give you an option to pay.

That's my opinion, apologies if I do come across harsh.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: slycan on May 08, 2011, 07:19:36 pm

^ Dayum straight >.>

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Tyki Mikk on May 13, 2011, 08:16:45 pm

Honestly I cant understand why people are STILL confused about this. And as Daykali said, your not paying an arm or a leg... No big deal. Plus, Not EVERYONE needs to see your preset. All you really need to send your preset to is your friends, who will actually be the ones to pay attention to it. =_= Thats why I find it absolutely unnecessary to be upset you have to pay for everyone to see it.

I also find it a waste to pay in the first place, because again, not everyone will see it because most users dont pay attention to the people they run past... Honestly. They're mind is in a TOTALLY different place.

Really what Im trying to say is: You dont NEED a preset and you dont NEED for everyone to see it.

Excuse me if I sound rude. I couldve said what I said in a lot more ruddish manner. lol

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Tigg on May 13, 2011, 08:55:01 pm

Quote from: Tyki_Mikk on May 13, 2011, 08:16:45 pm

Thats why I find it absolutely unnecessary to be upset you have to pay for everyone to see it.

Exactly. And if the narrow-minded children would read the first post very clearly they would understand its -not- possible without money.

Presets on Server is just a option someone can use if he/she has the monney for it. Its like economy, you cant get everything for free, some stuff simply you need to buy.

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Safaiatsukiookami on May 19, 2011, 09:12:12 pm

I agree with that statement,Lock thread so it doesn't keep dragging on maybe?

Title: Re: Presets on the Server?
Post by: Tyki Mikk on May 19, 2011, 09:21:53 pm

But then theres the problem with people that dont pay attention and will just mindlessly post threads because they STILL dont understand, some how, how to get your preset seen by everyone, how to get it seen at all, etc. Thats the only thing that bothers me.

Otherwise I think this should be locked as well. Its getting extremely tedious.