Feral Heart
Game & Forum Discussion => Game Discussion => Topic started by: Bangart on January 11, 2011, 12:14:47 am
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I know what you're thinking. I'm about to say OMG I CANT CONNECT PLZ HALP!!1!11!
No, I'm aware the servers are down and I understand they're being worked on. But there's
this nagging thought in the back of my mind. With all of the players registered and raring to
play this game, literally thousands so I've heard, how exactly are future server crashes
to be prevented? Surely if this happened only a day after the game came out, the amount of people
playing is going to be an issue. So how will Kov and the team keep this from happening over and
over again?
This question is mostly out of curiosity... I'm not getting impatient and just trying to dig out info about
when the servers will be fixed. ><
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I'm not really sure how it will work. Maybe they are improving the ability too reduce crashes in the future and maybe they will only let a select few in little by little or something.
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if they do that i am really glade i signed in already, because if they let little by little in many people will get mad, but its there madness (not trying to be mean) but i am really glade i allready downloaded FH lol but it is sad that there down :( i have not played it yet :(
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Emerald is right.. Perhaps they should put a user limit on the server. As many people as the server can handle without going down. And if someone tries to log in to a full server, they will be put in a queue.. I know that seems unfair to some, but I also have the feeling server crashes will be a never-ending issue.. You gotta do what you gotta do, after all :/
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The server queue was something I also thought about, and although would make a lot of people angry, it would probably be the best thing to keep Kov from having to pay so much and even get more servers up for more people to play. But even then I start to see problems with that. With the server full so often, some people would probably NEVER get to play, and some people might stay logged into the game and never log off, just so they'll never have to wait in queue. Not to mention the heartbreak and frustration that would come from getting booted off the game in the middle of a large and fun RP, thanks to your internet connection, and then come back to a massive waiting line. Oh the horror.
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Yes you are right about that :/ .. There's really no perfect way (that I see) to deal with the possible server overload. I mean, you could put a time limit on log in times, but that might force you out of an interesting RP, and with the queue, you are right that some people would abuse this, and just stay logged in. But perhaps they could make it so.. if you are AFK (idle) for such a time, it will automatically kick you out. To prevent people from staying logged in during school or over night. Maybe after 30 minutes?
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Idle after thirty minutes? Sounds pretty reasonable to me to keep anyone from staying logged in if they're not playing. That's a pretty good idea. Maybe it would help the servers to, for now, only let a certain number of people on at a time and after a little while of doing that the numbers would probably even out so not everyone is trying to get on ALL at ONCE.
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I agree with Maslien's comment about the idle time limit. There would be a few people who would forget that its on, and thier character would be sitting there doing nothing while people are trying to get in. As a few others said, a server queue would be the way to go.
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i agree too maybe you should bring this to the staff it might help a lot!!!
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Yes, that would be great! No server crashes and everyone would get their turn. And you couldn't cheat with it. Hopefully this thread will be read by a mod or admin so they can think about if a server queue would be good and help tremendously to prevent future crashes, because I really would rather not bother them to tell them about it right now. XP They've already got a lot to deal with.
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true the got to fix the surver first thats a big deal, everone is talking about the surver but we all want the surver to come back on cross your fingers,it might be on soon
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Waiting on a queue would be a very good idea, indeed. No server crashes and reduced lag :D Of course, it's up to the staff. Let's let them fix the server first, then pitch them this suggestion.
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i agree let them fix the surver first then ask them .
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Uhh.. are you guys aware that there are 5036 members of this forum? That's 5036 people who want to get on the server, and there'll be more. To put a member limit and a queue on the server... well, that's a whole lot of waiting you're gonna do.
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The Server never crashed. We just ran out of Bandwith.
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oh ok then why does it say " cant connect to front surver" is it because of the bandwith
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Bandwith is the Data which gets exchanged between Computer and Server. Bandwith costs Money. No Bandwith: No Server.
First we need to figure out how to smite the Usage of Bandwith between Game and Server. Then we can get back online. The Server wount stop automaticly (and that cant be codet too) when the Bandwith is gone. And if we go over the Bandwith, Raz has to pay alot extra for every Dataexchange we cause with playing.
A better Server is in search, the Communication between Game and Server is worked over to reduce the Bandwith. So it might take a While till we are able to offer the Server back. Unless someone wants to pay a HUUUUUGGGGEEE Fee to donate good one right now LOL.
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oh ok thys Tigg
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Finally, an explanation! :D So it could take till the end of the month if you guys are unlucky?
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Honestly, i absolutely dont know. Since Raz has a very long Workday and Kov is on Internship, there is not so much Time for them to look over everything. They do whenever they can thou.
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Yeah, I'm truthfully super bored XD I have nothing else to put time into other than sleeping, I wish I could give you all some munny :/
How much munny we talkin' about anyway Tigglet?
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Yeah, I'm truthfully super bored XD I have nothing else to put time into other than sleeping, I wish I could give you all some munny :/
How much munny we talkin' about anyway Tigglet?
That depends... there are Servers starting at 200 Bucks and there is no Limit up. So its noth the easiest decision what to do. First its more important to see that we can reduce the Bandwith between Game and Server, if we can mannage that, we dont need a new Server. And i hope very very much that we wount need a new one.
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Oh darn. Well hopefully you'll figure something out I'd love to help think of something if I was more educated on this topic but I had to look up what bandwith was so Lol That should say something in itself.
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Just get the servers up, and then even if we get to play for like.. 5 seconds, we should be satisfied that we got to look.
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But does it crash now and then? Because there are other portals to different certain places right? If so I might take a look whenever you guys find a good server, I may take a look at the portals and stuff :D I like portals because they look all colorfullz XD
But good luck anywayz xD
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The Server never crashed. We just ran out of Bandwith.
I hadn't checked here in a day or so, but this clears everything up for me. I thought there was a crashing problem, like the server was not strong enough.. But I understand now :3 Totally different xD
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Ahh, this clears alot up.
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yah but anyway we can wait.... but still wish yall luck with the bandwith stuff lol hope you get the surver up soon but i understand that they have work i mean almost everyone has work so i dont blam anyone..... and i wish you all luck and my fingers and toes our crossed
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Let me see if I understand something correctly.
The game download and the online game are on the same server, right? So because everyone downloaded the game AND tried to all play at once, the server ran out of bandwidth.
Maybe now since most people have the game, there'll be less strain on the server?
Or do I have that all wrong? ::)
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I never got to play the game either. I am going nuts waiting for the game to work again!
I hope they don't let in people little by little. That would be unfair to people who don't have their own computer or just can't log in anytime so when they do get time to play FH, they might not even be allowed in! if that happened to me, whoever's in charge would certainly hear about it.
It might also prevent friends from playing online and doing activities in the game together.
They should just find a good server that will support all of the players, or develop a system with one server per group of players or world and each world or group can only hold so many members. That way if one server crashes, it's only one branch that's down, not the entire game.
It would be the longer solution, but the better one.
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I never got to play the game either. I am going nuts waiting for the game to work again!
I hope they don't let in people little by little. That would be unfair to people who don't have their own computer or just can't log in anytime so when they do get time to play FH, they might not even be allowed in! if that happened to me, whoever's in charge would certainly hear about it.
It might also prevent friends from playing online and doing activities in the game together.
They should just find a good server that will support all of the players, or develop a system with one server per group of players or world and each world or group can only hold so many members. That way if one server crashes, it's only one branch that's down, not the entire game.
It would be the longer solution, but the better one.
Safa, I'd be grateful their even doing this much. Let alone made the game, Raz, Kovu and the others' put a lot of work into this game. So in the meantime, entertain your self. I never got to play, and I'm not siting here complaining about it..just waiting. Busying my self with other things, for one my job training program and second reading. But that's due to pure boredom..And I also seriously doubt they'd let peeps in bit by bit, other wise the gamers (us.) would lose interest if things' were like this and simply would leave for a few months, then come back to see if any progress was made.
And fyi, Kov is the main creator of Fh, and I.T.
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I honestly don't know why some people are so impatient for it. FeralHeart is always the last thing on my mind xD I'm not impatient for it to come up, even though I'll be excited when everyone can finally play, it's just that when it's up, it's up and it will be all good |D
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I hope servers will be up soon! Thank-you, FeralHeart team, for the hard work.
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Yeah, I have to agree with Teal. When FH is up, I'll be happy. But I know it won't be up for a while, so I've just been messing around with the Mapmaker for fun. I'm pretty patient, They put a lot of work in the game, and they were nice enough to make it free. So, I can wait.
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Safa, I'd be grateful their even doing this much. Let alone made the game, Raz, Kovu and the others' put a lot of work into this game. So in the meantime, entertain your self. I never got to play, and I'm not siting here complaining about it..just waiting. Busying my self with other things, for one my job training program and second reading. But that's due to pure boredom..And I also seriously doubt they'd let peeps in bit by bit, other wise the gamers (us.) would lose interest if things' were like this and simply would leave for a few months, then come back to see if any progress was made.
What? Just because I say that I can't wait for the game to be working again, I am immideatley ingrateful? There's nothing wrong with being impateint you know.
I was never complaining. i was only trying to relate to other people who may be impateint.
There should be free speech in a forum. I should be allowed to say that I fell impateint without complaining and not get heck for it.
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From reading almost every post on this thread i honestly think the servers wont be up for about a month. But my big question is why didnt this happen to IT and are you useing the same servers? MY best bet for the team would be to a open a donation thing. i heard someone offer 50$.
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@RestaWulf; IT was closed because of insecurities on their old server, so there's no way they'd be using that again.
Also, we're not allowed to discuss generating money for the server.
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Safa, I'd be grateful their even doing this much. Let alone made the game, Raz, Kovu and the others' put a lot of work into this game. So in the meantime, entertain your self. I never got to play, and I'm not siting here complaining about it..just waiting. Busying my self with other things, for one my job training program and second reading. But that's due to pure boredom..And I also seriously doubt they'd let peeps in bit by bit, other wise the gamers (us.) would lose interest if things' were like this and simply would leave for a few months, then come back to see if any progress was made.
What? Just because I say that I can't wait for the game to be working again, I am immideatley ingrateful? There's nothing wrong with being impateint you know.
I was never complaining. i was only trying to relate to other people who may be impateint.
There should be free speech in a forum. I should be allowed to say that I fell impateint without complaining and not get heck for it.
I never said you were 'ungrateful.' so please don't put words in my mouth which I did not say. But no, how I was reading your post. It seemed to border on such, beside the point. You shouldn't be impatient isn't as if it's going to get any where right now xD. But I also never did say you were complaining, the post wasn't only aimed at you.
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I don't understand your post. Bah! I don't care anyore. It's against the rules to fight anyway. I don't want to get in trouble just after I joined.
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hope it will be back soon! :)
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@Safa96- they can't just find a good server and have it all magically finished, they do actually have the pay to get a new server. The current server they have they are trying to fix up so they are reducing the bandwith as shown in previous posts.
And to the team- don't let anyone tell you to hurry up with the game. There are patient people too, we're all excited about the servers coming out. Keep up the good work! :D
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Painful- I'm sorry, but that is just plain ignorant. Yeah, I may be impatient, but so what? I can't BE impatient? It's called calming down and getting out of a topic. Obviously people already GET that it's a bandwith issue, so saying 'oh, yeah, ima repeat this post that a Admin made, cuz im so speshul' is 100% redundant.
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Did I say that? No. Don't put words I didn't speak into my mouth, thank you. And impatience is annoying, is all I am saying. Being patient is better for everyone. If you want to complain about how long it's taking, go try and make a game yourself. See how hard it is. They're doing an amazing job, at a fast speed seeing how they don't have a massive team at hand.
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I'm not saying it's fighting goin on here, but we need to put in a lower gear here or it will turn into one.
We know why it's down, we know it's being worked on, and we will know when it works again. What more can we ask for than an exact date of it working again which no one will be able to answer at this moment. We will just have to wait really.
So please don't turn towards eachother here just because of this. Don't want to end up locking the topic :3
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E; Just merge servers. Merge the IT server with the FH one, and just see how it works out. Crank up the database memory, ect. and the protection. Honestly, I'm surprised no one thought about it. x3
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It's not that easy to just merge the servers together though since I belive the game server can't just be divided in a simple way.
And just upgrading a server from own will just like that is not as easy either. It's pretty much like upgrading your own computer. But instead, the server would've been moved to a new location. With you needing to move all the things stored and configure the settings for the new one.
Everything needs to be at one place at this moment as far as I know.
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Hm. I jut would like to know when the servers would be -functional- never mind playing.
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Arrr. You are probably not alone. But we really have to wait on this one.
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Yeah. Not all knowing with this stuff, let's just leave it to the pros XD
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At leas an estimation of time would still be nice. o.o
Not trying to be a nag - I mean, who saw the server change coming? But if people have at least an estimation, they'll probably chillax a little bit. I know my own worries about when FH comes up will be somewhat soothed by it - and while I'm just one user, I'm one of THOUSANDS waiting to play this game.
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Yeah, and they would probably go all mad when the estimation turned out to be false since people only made one up to calm people down, making it even worse than it was in the first place.
This is not something you can know for sure when it will be fixed unless you actually already have it fixed and are waiting it out.
If there is no estimated date. You shouldn't try to guess one out.
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I am one of the people dying for an estimate too. It's so much easier waiting for something if you have a timeline of how long your waiting.
But like Red said, if there isn't one now, making one up isn't going to make it any better. At least the Map maker and Sky maker is working.
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And you can make presets, too X3
That's always fun.
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Bah, at least we don't have a broken, un-useable FH. Let's be thankful, mk?
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wow this alone make me feel better, i felt like ranting on why dont you just host the laggy server tillyougot one that works. *based on quick info* but seeing this means it isnt the case.
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ive just thought, when i start the game theres this happy new year message. why not post that the servers are down and post a link for them to click for info.
Welcome, Thanks for downloading FH.
We are sorry for the inconvenience but our servers are down so you will not be able to logg on. for more info, visit the Game News section of our forums. -Link-
this will seriously reduce the omg why is it not working posts.
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That's clever actually. But I think They'd need to add a modified installer that puts a new text in that box as standard. And maybe they've been working on other things. But it isn't a bad idea.
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so where did people get this "the server's are on in February!"? is that true or..?
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so where did people get this "the server's are on in February!"? is that true or..?
They are just guessing. Problem on that is that some are believing its true. Servers MIGHT be back SOMEWHERE in Februar. Maybe not. We have to see.
http://feral-heart.com/index.php?option=com_jfusion&Itemid=2&lang=en&jfile=index.php&topic=68.0
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oh i see, dang it. got me excited! lolz
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People hear what they want to hear :p
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I just read Tiggs recent post about the server. If the bandwith is limited by say.. map.. can't you make it where only a set amount of people can be in one map at a time, and once it's full you'll just be ported to another, random map.. that way, there won't be SO MANY people in 'default' or say at one time, and thus reduce some bandwith?
Or am I getting this all wrong?
~Aroxy
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You might be abit off here yeah.
Even if people were in different maps, the server still had to receive and send the same amount of data. A map isn't it's own server. All maps are inside the game. And the game itself will be hosted on the server.
It's abit like if you had a bottle of water and poured it into 2 glasses, and said it would be less water because of it. xD
Maybe it will be slightly more load on the server if there's alot of people at one place. But I don't think putting a limit on maps would help that much. Though I'm no expert
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The way Tigg described it, it kind of sounded like "the more people in a map, the more bandwith used" ..
I probably just read it wrong, the whole glass thing you just stated.. well that makes sense too, LOL.
Ahh.. i'm sure it will get all figured out soon enough!
~Aroxy
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Yeah, I get you. And it probably lays a point in what she says.
The server probably need to work harder. I think I focused abit too much on the actual number of connected people towards the server, I think I will try to get some more information on how much the difference actually can be.
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Arrr, ignore what I said. I was the one that was off. In this case the maps are actually a big part of the issue. What IU did wrong was that I compared it with other games.
Since FH is a big game, and it's hosted on one place only. It does make a difference. My bad. xd
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LOL im just w8ting for someone to say fk it and make a private server and inviteing only friends. i mean if thats even posible...
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you could make multiple survers but that would take years to perfect :(
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E; Just merge servers. Merge the IT server with the FH one, and just see how it works out. Crank up the database memory, ect. and the protection. Honestly, I'm surprised no one thought about it. x3
If you remember they shut down the servers, due to hackers. It was the reason why they took them down in the first place, so naturally that wouldn't be a choice.
I doubt you'd want to get on Fh, and suddenly there was someone already hacking it...being as big mountain (or close enough.) causing the servers to shut down every few mintiues trying to deal with the strain, plus the over 100+ peeps already on it.
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If players spread out over the maps... consider this :P
Each player needs to send their data to all the other players.
So which would use more bandwidth?
20 users in one map (20x20) = 400
or
20 users split between two maps (10x10) + (10x10) = 200
That is the right way to look at it, right?
When more people join a single map, the needed data transfer becomes exponentially higher! (1x1, 2x2, 3x3...)
Spreading out across the maps WILL help the server load.
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@Bruce Andrews Gakatako (because my quote is broken o3o): It isn't possible to do that, especially if it's a normal user. And if they could it would be considered hacking. Not sure how it would work, but I disagree about a 'private server just for friends'
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@Twilia; I don't get how making the servers 100% stronger would allow hackers a chance in, but hey, it's your 'logic' :/
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Well, the server from IT was crashed and ruined anyway, so if it was combined to the FH one it would mess that up too. If that was even possible. I don't think it is, but I'm no expert XD
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I think they need to make more then one sever!
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Adding on to Emerald's idea) Yea, it'd be nice to have some sort of limit, but maybe diferant servers, like for Example:
1. Triumph
Just an idea, so you would know where your friends are, instead of EVERYONE being on the same server.
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@Twilia; I don't get how making the servers 100% stronger would allow hackers a chance in, but hey, it's your 'logic' :/
Well, I'll put it into simpler terms.
People hacked the server, stole presets that had been uploaded, by Raz - Kovu. Let alone they began spawning items, or stealing customs items, such as Razs' sword.
Hopefully, that's simple enough? xD. I can babble on some times..
But anyway. If you add the server they hacked, to a new one. They'd just do the same thing all over again. forcing them to shut down the server permanently until they got a new one - which they couldn't hack into.
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@Twilia;
The servers for FH are stronger, better, don't have any items, presets will be unuseable, unless you share them. So, your argument doesn't make an OUNCE of sense. Just make the IT server a FH server; Problem solved.
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Hmm.. I have to agree wtih Twilia, that merging the servers would weaken it, not stengthen it or sort out what they are trying to fix ._.
I don't even think the IT server exists anymore.
And they can't make more servers, to anyone who is asking. It would cost more to keep two servers up and running. And what's the point? Hmm, I dunno. Just my opinions.
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i just wanna play it right now so i wanna know if its up right now?
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@Kayla: It's not up. Be patient.
And I have to agree with Twila. I understand that FH's server is stronger, but merging with the IT server would cause problems because the IT server isn't strong enough to keep hackers out. (Or that's what I think, due to the reason it got shut down.) If you merged the two, that still wouldn't get rid of the IT servers' issues. I don't even think the IT server is still around..
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@Twilia;
The servers for FH are stronger, better, don't have any items, presets will be unuseable, unless you share them. So, your argument doesn't make an OUNCE of sense. Just make the IT server a FH server; Problem solved.
Seeing your not understanding clearly, I give up. It seems others has figured it out.
It server had weak security, let alone was fairly weak it self (Due to the frequent crashes.)
The server was shut down, and probably rid of due to the hacks, who were hacking the server it self. It didn't matter if it had items, presets and so on. The simple fact that they could hack it, made it so they could do whatever what they wanted with it. Crash it even. Or shut it down.
In all, Add the unsecured I.T server to Fh = It would be compromised and easily, hacked again, and once more we would be without a server to play on, plain and simple.
Made a mistake, ignore this.
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Is the 'Stop asking about the servers on this thread. This is for preset talk only, not the servers.' thing for this thread? Because this thread IS titled 'Question about the servers'.... Unless I'm being an idiot again 8D
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well... the servers are back up everyone, yaay :3
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Jae, where did you hear that the servers are up? because I have seen people say that so I tried and I still can't connect to the front server.
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i'm playing right now kyu, you have to redownload it cause there are updates, Rak$sha and some other peeps are on. get on kyugima! :)
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YAY! I'm on for the first time!
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yaaay, i'm lyse btw. one the thing :)
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haha no matter what, this game is gona be hacked. too many inmature kids online now a days. i mean not to long ago an image hosting site... AN IMAGE HOSTING SITE!!! was attacked.
as long as viphacksDOTcom exist... all games will eventuraly be hacked. and considering this as a new game with little to no protection... i can guarantee a hacker within the first 7 days of its opening.
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lol @ bruce...
that's kind of true..
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I would just like to point out viphacks is dead lulz
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LOL @ Raz
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oh that would explain the lack of spam bots in fps saying i got this at viphacks and you can too
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Good, because I am re-downloading now. If my city is removed I'll just rebuild it.
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it wont let me play it says cant conect to server are they doing a update or something im confused help me
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it wont let me play it says cant conect to server are they doing a update or something im confused help me
The reason it is not allowing you on is because we're having some server downtime issues:
https://www.feral-heart.com/index.php?option=com_jfusion&Itemid=2&jfile=index.php&topic=22599 (https://www.feral-heart.com/index.php?option=com_jfusion&Itemid=2&jfile=index.php&topic=22599)
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Make the plains work better -.-' so there is no trouble losing your character if your in the plains...
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Certainly not as easy as you probably think.
It's not only a server issue, but the game itself doesn't probably like the idea of having that many users inside the same map.
To be fair, we could blame both the server, game and even the users themselves.
The reason why plains is problematic is because it's simply the most populated map in the whole game, the reason why it's the most populated map in the game is because of lack of maps for players to go to that has some sort of interesting environment. This is nothing that would happen, but if users started going into more other maps and not making fluorite the bottleneck no characters would get stuck there, but it's not really easy done since users choose to go there since it's the biggest map that has the most content in it.
The map should've been replaced long ago with something smaller and more maps should exist in the game to be fair, that would solve quite a few issues I believe.