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Title: 1.13 fh.
Post by: Dentrimental on July 12, 2020, 04:24:27 pm
okay. for all the staff out there, please dont take this as offence or anything.

yesterday i nearly cried about what happened to fh. so many people left in 2016. i get the old maps can be downloaded, but its never the same. they are so empty. fhu also will apparently have the old maps, but it wont as they barely look like them. for example, bonfire. fhu bonfire looks way more 'detailed' and stuff. the rock looks different too. sooo.. :/

i get a game need supdates now and then, but seriously.. over 80% of the whole fh community wants the real fh back. im not sure what to say as the staff said 'were not bringing them back.' so, im a bit speechless. ive said all that i need to say. the only thing that is at the tip of my tounge, which ik will never happen anyways... all i want.. and many others too, is the real fh back.
as i said, dont take this as offence towards the map makers of the 1.17 maps.


-keda.
Title: Re: 1.13 fh.
Post by: SpicyDirt on July 12, 2020, 06:25:24 pm
There are a few reasons as to why the 1.13 FH won't be making a return to our game.

For starters, the maps were massive. So massive that often times the server would crash or people's computers would crash because the maps massive sizes couldn't be handled. Another issue with these massive maps is that they were fairly empty. It looked as if all of the maps/the whole game was unfinished.

Second, what gets implemented and what doesn't is actually up to the server admin. He has stated on many occasions that the old maps will not be making a return for the reasons listed above. Many people asked for the new maps, and when they were delivered, many people got upset that the new maps were added and the old maps were removed. To keep the old maps with the new maps would just leave so many maps unused (similarly how many go unused today due to The Grounds).

Third, many of the older player base (pre 1.17 update) have grown up and out of the game. To keep new players coming and interested the game had to get a "face lift" to make the game more appealing to a newer audience. Admittedly, we are seeing less and less people, but that is the game cycle of every game. A great example to look at would be IT servers ~ the newer ones get more people then when a new one comes out they flock to that new one then eventually both will soon die. Another great example would be the "Call of Duty" franchise ~ none of their games really last more than a year due to the influx of new CoD games that look better than the previous then both games die off.

This comes up a lot by the older players of FeralHeart, and while it is saddening that the maps are gone and will most likely never make an official return, it is also good that the game now looks more complete and more appetizing to the new players that join daily. All trends must eventually adapt to the changing society and the changing wants and desires.
Title: Re: 1.13 fh.
Post by: Dentrimental on July 12, 2020, 06:46:36 pm
Me reading this: 👁💧👄💧👁



Maybe.. i really, REALLY REALLY REALLYYYYYY hope the maps would be back. Im a bit tired of- no. I just wont say it as.. razmirz wont do anything anyways. This is truly heartbraking.
Title: Re: 1.13 fh.
Post by: leda on July 12, 2020, 07:00:26 pm
Hi! I actually made the new bonfire in FHU. and I totally agree that it's so sad we don't have that original nostalgic feel. But I think that if we released everything with no changes whatsoever, people would get their nostalgia feel but once that feeling has passed, they would be left quite... Bored? I think it's best to look at the cup half full and remember that change doesn't have to be bad! If we go into FH or Unleashed with the preset notion that it just won't be the same, then of course it won't feel the same. In the end it will be about FH/FHU's communities.
I'm sure in terms of change the FH staff feel similar; the maps were made in 2011, and to be taken seriously as a real game and not merely a glorified chat box , change needs to happen.
ANYWAYS I do agree that they were so nice and it'd be so cool  to experience FH as it once was and how we all began. Maybe we could try to organize an unofficial community party in the original maps or something !
Title: Re: 1.13 fh.
Post by: Morqque on July 12, 2020, 07:29:33 pm
I moarn with ya bud
Title: Re: 1.13 fh.
Post by: Dentrimental on July 12, 2020, 07:36:30 pm
its just saddening that.. the old maps were in 2011, and we got new ones in 2016, and now its 2020. its been a very long time since the old maps. i feel like they deserve to be returned for a sertain amount of time. atleast 2 or 3 years. all i wish for on this game, the ONLY thing, is to experience what it was like back then.
Title: Re: 1.13 fh.
Post by: Morqque on July 13, 2020, 12:01:38 am
its just saddening that.. the old maps were in 2011, and we got new ones in 2016, and now its 2020. its been a very long time since the old maps. i feel like they deserve to be returned for a sertain amount of time. atleast 2 or 3 years. all i wish for on this game, the ONLY thing, is to experience what it was like back then.

  I know what you mean but unfortunately we all have to accept that we can't get that back, as sad as it may be - we can still access the old maps. They may not be populated but they aren't entirely gone (anymore). You aren't alone in feeling that way. But hey, members have been organizing parties and meet ups in the old maps so maybe one day more people will move there again ;)
Title: Re: 1.13 fh.
Post by: Ellen11v on July 13, 2020, 01:18:24 pm
If the old maps were brought back, do you think it would be the same? The only way you would be able to experience the old fh would be if you had a time machine. So, yea.
Past is can't be future, but you can celebrate the past.
Title: Re: 1.13 fh.
Post by: Dentrimental on July 13, 2020, 01:55:33 pm
How on Earth do I celebrate the past ._.
Title: Re: 1.13 fh.
Post by: Garfield. on July 13, 2020, 03:33:19 pm
It's like 12 of october, when America was discovered. You can build activities and invite your friends to share their knowledge about the past.
Title: Re: 1.13 fh.
Post by: Chipz on July 16, 2020, 12:55:27 pm
I like FH how it is, the maps are so much better, especially for rp
Title: Re: 1.13 fh.
Post by: Dentrimental on July 16, 2020, 03:29:30 pm
d i d   i   a s k  ._.

great now i feel like i was rude =_=
Title: Re: 1.13 fh.
Post by: LordSuragaha on July 16, 2020, 03:49:27 pm
d i d   i   a s k  ._.

great now i feel like i was rude =_=

Even if you prefer the 1.13 aka “old maps” there’s no reason to come off that way to someone who expresses a different opinion or liking to the newer maps. Given that this is a discussion topic you’re going to get people replying with their own opinions. Sometimes those opinions will not match your own, but that doesn’t mean they’re not relevant to the discussion. I think I’ve told you a few times now to please mind your tone and how you come across to others on your topics. Regardless if you asked directly or not the opinion expressed is still on par with the topic here. 
Title: Re: 1.13 fh.
Post by: Laarikin on July 16, 2020, 05:19:52 pm
I like the newer maps as they contain more and look far better than the old maps, though bringing the old maps will not bring back old memories and it is not guaranteed that the old community will return either. The past is in the past now, all we can do now is look to the future and hope. The only thing bringing the old maps back would do is give a nostalgic feeling to older players and that's it. Don't get me wrong, I miss the old maps too, but I'm also quite happy with the newer ones as well. All we can do now is make suggestions to improve what we have and hope for the best.
Title: Re: 1.13 fh.
Post by: Dark_heart on July 16, 2020, 05:34:42 pm
I like the newer maps as they contain more and look far better than the old maps, though bringing the old maps will not bring back old memories and it is not guaranteed that the old community will return either. The past is in the past now, all we can do now is look to the future and hope. The only thing bringing the old maps back would do is give a nostalgic feeling to older players and that's it. Don't get me wrong, I miss the old maps too, but I'm also quite happy with the newer ones as well. All we can do now is make suggestions to improve what we have and hope for the best.
Complete agree with you. I'm just more lost here, because I joined in October 2019 (or somethin' around) and I haven't any memories. Old maps I know only from stories and downloaded ones. Have an idea how we can make maps... like somethin' between. I'll post it when I'll be ready.

Going back to the topic - old maps are awesome, but for example on Zama Grotto. Or Kiwimbi Beach. Or Cape of Distant Worlds. Or unused pretty parts of The Grounds. Or any another world. We need to be more active. Random, sick, crazy, fulled with rainbow bubbles - or not - dance lines. Talking about lasagna on local in TG. Exploring. Do you met anyone ever in Zama Grotto? So you see. Maybe try to be happy for we have already - old maps you can download, music is on YouTube. Look also on our luck. Almost every IT server is dead. FH will reach 10 years soon. And still we can meet many players ^^
Title: Re: 1.13 fh.
Post by: Dentrimental on July 16, 2020, 05:47:08 pm
i feel like everyone is not stamping on me as i said that i never asked if u hated the maps or not ._.
Title: Re: 1.13 fh.
Post by: LadySigyn on July 17, 2020, 12:26:03 am
I’m sorry you feel this way. Unfortunately there’s nothing anyone can do to bring the old maps back. Threads like these pop up once a month at least, and the staff know that people disliked the 2016 update, they’ve dealt with the backlash for over 4 years now. I know you’re upset, a lot of users are, but things evolve and nothing ever stays the same. I’m personally grateful that FH is still up and running.

Also there’s the old maps you can download, so not all is lost.
Title: Re: 1.13 fh.
Post by: FrostNight on July 17, 2020, 12:46:59 am
Hi! I actually made the new bonfire in FHU. and I totally agree that it's so sad we don't have that original nostalgic feel. But I think that if we released everything with no changes whatsoever, people would get their nostalgia feel but once that feeling has passed, they would be left quite... Bored? ....

I've always been nostalgic for the original FH, but I think this is a really, really good point. I appreciate the idea of taking the old maps and improving on them, like building a new Bonfire Island with the original as inspiration [i haven't seen those screenshots yet, but based on above descriptions]!! But even as someone who loves the old FH, I don't think just bringing back the old maps is gonna revive the old FH. It's a time gone by of good memories, but it's good to see people working to give FH a future!
Title: Re: 1.13 fh.
Post by: Dentrimental on July 17, 2020, 07:03:53 am
sigyn, i know there are old maps. but they are never the same. ive had the old maps since may, but they r so empty now.
Title: Re: 1.13 fh.
Post by: WolfQueen on July 18, 2020, 07:31:01 am
as someone who played before the update i understand how u feel
Title: Re: 1.13 fh.
Post by: Atmospheric on July 18, 2020, 04:24:56 pm
I understand how you feel. I enjoy the original FH along with the older maps. However, I feel like the change is a good thing. It would be boring to keep the same stuff without any updates, ya know? Even though the older maps are empty now, I'm glad we still have access to them
Title: Re: 1.13 fh.
Post by: Ellen11v on July 19, 2020, 02:31:28 am
You didn't answer my question though. I asked if you thought things would be the same if they used the old maps as default again...
Title: Re: 1.13 fh.
Post by: LaughingWolf on July 19, 2020, 11:53:40 am
The op wasn't asking for opinions on which map set you like better guys.
They wanted to know why they won't be reinstated. That was answered by spicydirt.

Fhu variants of the old maps are intended to make them better without losing their classic identities.

Bringing back the old maps 100% will not bring you anything more than what downloading the maps will. Nostalgia.
Title: Re: 1.13 fh.
Post by: arilioness on July 19, 2020, 12:04:21 pm
Honestly, maybe its just not the maps you're missing but the old memories you created while playing the maps, its exactly the same thing as what is happening with star stable online (Another game) where people are missing the old textures, features and other stuff that has been recreated or removed because we made memories with the old things and those old things are now gone and not to be coming back, its just the nostalgia that is the problem (Just like laughing wolf said)
Title: Re: 1.13 fh.
Post by: DylanCheetah on July 22, 2020, 02:57:11 pm
With all due respect to those who miss the old maps, continually dragging up the past will not bring back those times or the old maps. All this sort of discussion does is stir up past drama about the old maps which hinders the game's growth and scares away new players.

You all need to move on and stop bringing this up over and over and over. It is no different than if someone kept bringing up a subject that you didn't want to hear about. Do you really think that new players who know nothing about those maps would want to come play a game where people keep bringing up things from the past that they know nothing about and that start fights between people who have different ideals?

The future of FH is in fact the new enthusiastic players who join this game. But they don't come here expecting dumb drama over past events they never knew about. We need to be considerate of them by no longer bringing up hurtful events from the past.

The reason FH is so empty right now is not because of old maps but rather the drama surrounding them and other recent events. If you truly care about FH, you need to let go of the past and work toward building a future that is free of drama and strife. All the problems we have rn are caused by division and disagreement. Let's put aside our differences and work together.

There are in fact 2 quotes that come to mind regarding division:
"United we stand, divided we fall."
"A house divided against itself cannot stand."

One thing I find truly sad, is that the FH community has become known all around the web as "toxic". All people know about this community anymore is the drama. That is why so few people are joining. Why join when they hear that FH has a bunch of drama?

Perhaps it is time that the community realized that they are indeed one of the things destroying FH. They need to let go of the past and embrace the future.

We aren't here to fight over things we disagree with, we are here to have fun and enjoy FH.
Title: Re: 1.13 fh.
Post by: arilioness on July 22, 2020, 10:46:45 pm
DylanCheetah is right, why do we have to keep making drama when we wont and will never get the old fh maps back in the game because we need to move on and accept that things change, and even if the maps were to be brought back, that wouldn't mean the old and good times would come back too
Title: Re: 1.13 fh.
Post by: DylanCheetah on July 23, 2020, 12:23:35 am
DylanCheetah is right, why do we have to keep making drama when we wont and will never get the old fh maps back in the game because we need to move on and accept that things change, and even if the maps were to be brought back, that wouldn't mean the old and good times would come back too

I'm glad that I am not the only one that sees what is happening.

When I joined this game, the community was not fighting back and forth like it is now. Sure, there were disagreements. But not as often as they have become lately. Rather than talk about negative things, let's put forth our time and energy to bring peace and stability back to FH.

Sure, we won't always agree. However, there is no point in bringing up the same things over and over in the hope that someone will "magically" change their mind and give you want you want. That isn't how things work here or with life in general. If you disagree with something, it's ok to mention it respectfully one time. But afterward, it isn't ok to keep bringing it up and/or complaining about it. That is just disrespectful to not only the staff, but the rest of the community as well.

We aren't here to see who can stir the most drama or pester the staff till we get our way. We are here because we have a common hobby that we all enjoy. And we should always keep in mind that every word we say, both ingame and on forum has a big impact on all the other members of the community.

Rather than waste time discussing the same past drama over and over, let's use that time to enjoy FH the way it is and play with our dear friends who we met here. Sure, some people have left. Some of my own friends have left. But that will not stop me from enjoying this game to the fullest. I can always make new friends and make new memories with them in FH. And I encourage all of you to do the same.

As for emptiness, if all of you would play at least once or twice a week, just think how many more people would be ingame. The number of people playing isn't gonna just go up "magically", we must do our part by all showing our support for this great game and getting our floofy butts ingame more often. If person A comes along and says "There's only a few people here, I'm leaving." and person B does the same and C and D and E; each of them is just contributing to the problem. But, if even a few people decide to just give it some time and play longer, they are bound to run into more people and everyone will be happier as a result.

I know of another game that had 0 people playing most of the time. But yet I would not just leave immediately due to that. I would sit there. Sometimes I would tab out to do other things, but I would keep checking on the game and listening for the very footsteps of other players. And every time one would come, I would go out of my way to talk to them even if it was just a simple "Hello. How are you doing?". And guess what? The number of people playing increased some. Not immediately ofc, but gradually. And even though there are still days that there are no people other than me playing, there are days that more people show up. My point? The very act of being in the game can have a huge impact. If you want to see more people in FH, then start playing more.
Title: Re: 1.13 fh.
Post by: wolfdog01 on July 23, 2020, 12:32:19 am
Might just redownload the game after all that, feeling motivated
Title: Re: 1.13 fh.
Post by: DylanCheetah on July 23, 2020, 12:35:07 am
Might just redownload the game after all that, feeling motivated

I'm glad to hear that man. This is exactly what FH needs to recover. It needs all it's players to pull together and have fun playing it like before. That is what's truly important.
Title: Re: 1.13 fh.
Post by: arilioness on July 23, 2020, 11:44:03 am
Yeah, if we keep arguing about the maps, we will only get what we dont want, the maps are never coming back anyway but also, if we do keep arguing about it, we will be known as a bad community that no one is willing to join, we should try to keep up the spirit of fh instead so new players are willing to join, and fh could have a chance to grow
Title: Re: 1.13 fh.
Post by: Dark_heart on July 23, 2020, 12:03:09 pm
Just wanted say, Dylan, you said exactly this what I have in my mind, lol. Arguing and making drama with ANY topics won't be good for game though, it will look for newcomers like drama center, not like a game. So complete agree.

Old maps are beautiful, but we should be happy for this what we have already. Smol suggestion c:
Title: Re: 1.13 fh.
Post by: arilioness on July 23, 2020, 12:26:57 pm
People in other games also seem to not make such a big drama out of new maps and textures, so why are we doing that
Title: Re: 1.13 fh.
Post by: Morqque on July 23, 2020, 09:41:24 pm
With all due respect to those who miss the old maps, continually dragging up the past will not bring back those times or the old maps. All this sort of discussion does is stir up past drama about the old maps which hinders the game's growth and scares away new players.

You all need to move on and stop bringing this up over and over and over. It is no different than if someone kept bringing up a subject that you didn't want to hear about. Do you really think that new players who know nothing about those maps would want to come play a game where people keep bringing up things from the past that they know nothing about and that start fights between people who have different ideals?

The future of FH is in fact the new enthusiastic players who join this game. But they don't come here expecting dumb drama over past events they never knew about. We need to be considerate of them by no longer bringing up hurtful events from the past.

The reason FH is so empty right now is not because of old maps but rather the drama surrounding them and other recent events. If you truly care about FH, you need to let go of the past and work toward building a future that is free of drama and strife. All the problems we have rn are caused by division and disagreement. Let's put aside our differences and work together.

There are in fact 2 quotes that come to mind regarding division:
"United we stand, divided we fall."
"A house divided against itself cannot stand."

One thing I find truly sad, is that the FH community has become known all around the web as "toxic". All people know about this community anymore is the drama. That is why so few people are joining. Why join when they hear that FH has a bunch of drama?

Perhaps it is time that the community realized that they are indeed one of the things destroying FH. They need to let go of the past and embrace the future.

We aren't here to fight over things we disagree with, we are here to have fun and enjoy FH.

I agree with the fact that bringing up the past - the old maps - will not bring them back. But I have really yet to see any horrible drama involving the topic. Perhaps at the beginning, yes - but the most drama that happens now regarding them are harmless opinions and debate on the matter which really doesnt harm anyone as it is a subject of discussion, memories and so on and so forth. Wherever you go, you will have conflicting opinions no matter what it is.
The real reason FH is empty is not because of drama, but because of members moving on with their lives and the growing popularity of
roleplay on discord. FH was slowly losing its popularity even before the map updates and `drama` has started. It is also discussed in much more detail from an admin in this thread here (( https://feral-heart.com/smf/index.php?topic=68693.0 ))
I understand your frustration however, we should all have respectful and level headed attitudes
But unfortunately not all people are like that.

Title: Re: 1.13 fh.
Post by: DoctorMario on July 24, 2020, 04:00:28 pm
With all due respect to those who miss the old maps, continually dragging up the past will not bring back those times or the old maps. All this sort of discussion does is stir up past drama about the old maps which hinders the game's growth and scares away new players.

You all need to move on and stop bringing this up over and over and over. It is no different than if someone kept bringing up a subject that you didn't want to hear about. Do you really think that new players who know nothing about those maps would want to come play a game where people keep bringing up things from the past that they know nothing about and that start fights between people who have different ideals?

The future of FH is in fact the new enthusiastic players who join this game. But they don't come here expecting dumb drama over past events they never knew about. We need to be considerate of them by no longer bringing up hurtful events from the past.

The reason FH is so empty right now is not because of old maps but rather the drama surrounding them and other recent events. If you truly care about FH, you need to let go of the past and work toward building a future that is free of drama and strife. All the problems we have rn are caused by division and disagreement. Let's put aside our differences and work together.

There are in fact 2 quotes that come to mind regarding division:
"United we stand, divided we fall."
"A house divided against itself cannot stand."

One thing I find truly sad, is that the FH community has become known all around the web as "toxic". All people know about this community anymore is the drama. That is why so few people are joining. Why join when they hear that FH has a bunch of drama?

Perhaps it is time that the community realized that they are indeed one of the things destroying FH. They need to let go of the past and embrace the future.

We aren't here to fight over things we disagree with, we are here to have fun and enjoy FH.

While I, like someone else that responded, haven't really seen much actual "drama" over old FH vs new and rather just people having bittersweet conversations about it...

I think a big reason the community refuses to stop digging its claws into the topic is because (from what I've seen), a BIG chunk of trust was lost between the community and staff. Repeatedly whenever I hear people bring up the topic, they ask, "No one really wanted __/People wanted ___/We asked for ___/etc. so why didn't the staff listen?" That's why. They don't feel listened to by the staff. And I've mostly stayed away from all the "tea" on what was happening behind the scenes and why the staff took things in this direction, but I vaguely remember a thread/post somewhere here on the forums where (was it Raz? I don't know) said something about not doing what's popular because it might not necessarily be a good idea. Even though it is an idea I agree with and think is pretty valid, of course the community will see something like that as further proof the staff doesn't care about what they want, regardless of whether or not it actually is true. While yes, bringing up the topic again and again helps no one, I do think this could've been handled in a more clean manner.

Take my opinion with a grain of salt as I was inactive during all this chaos, but a community isn't independent of a game or franchise. It is directly influenced by its creators. If they are unhappy, most times it is because they feel unheard (Harry Potter franchise w/ JKR's strange changes, Star Wars w/ the lackluster new trilogy, Animal Crossing w/ Nintendo's money grabbing, the YouTube community w/ YT's ad-pocalypses, etc.) and therefore disrespected as they believe it is because of their support that these games/franchises/etc. have become successful. I'm not putting blame on the staff as none of them could've foreseen any of this, but this isn't exclusively on the community.
Title: Re: 1.13 fh.
Post by: DylanCheetah on July 24, 2020, 09:51:45 pm
I understand how you feel about it, but there is something I think you should consider.

When the old maps were first removed there was immediate backlash from the community at the time it was done. And yes there are people who miss the old maps and want to see them back. However, what would happen if suddenly the staff did bring back the old maps and get rid of the new ones? Wouldn't there be backlash from the people who like the new maps? Point being, it is impossible to please everyone.

There is also the issue of lag. There were people having bad lag back then due to the size of some of the old maps. And if they were reintroduced, the people who are already having trouble with lag now will have more severe lag which will ultimately affect their gameplay experience in a negative way.

Also, it feels like some of you are a bit touchy on the subject and when someone brings it back up it just brings the past hurt along with it. And the process repeats over and over every time there is a new thread about it.
Title: Re: 1.13 fh.
Post by: Skullfrost on July 24, 2020, 10:12:02 pm
Y'all got your wish. Check out FHU, they've got a new little.... thing, up. Unfortunately the site is blocked on here for some reason, so I can't post a link- but FHU literally just straight up released a 1.13 server. Like, ENTIRELY 1.13. All old maps, as they once were.

Go. Go play, feel the Nostalgia.
Title: Re: 1.13 fh.
Post by: wolfdog01 on July 24, 2020, 11:03:40 pm
The nostalgia will never come back for me, the memories is what made it, it just took place in those maps so that's what people mostly remember. It was just a very sudden change I think. I've learned to enjoy the new maps as they are and I am sure those who never got to use to the old maps could care less about them coming back. Sura made a good post about things like this a while back ago and it summed up that idea pretty well. I'm sure eventually people will want new maps in FHU and some won't, just like it was here. Things are ever changing and sometimes it's scary. Spooked the furries lol.
Title: Re: 1.13 fh.
Post by: DylanCheetah on July 24, 2020, 11:54:19 pm
The nostalgia will never come back for me, the memories is what made it, it just took place in those maps so that's what people mostly remember. It was just a very sudden change I think. I've learned to enjoy the new maps as they are and I am sure those who never got to use to the old maps could care less about them coming back. Sura made a good post about things like this a while back ago and it summed up that idea pretty well. I'm sure eventually people will want new maps in FHU and some won't, just like it was here. Things are ever changing and sometimes it's scary. Spooked the furries lol.

wolfdog is right. Sooner or later people will find things to disagree about concerning FHU. Hopefully, people won't keep repeating the same mistakes.