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Title: ... Well, you see...
Post by: GemWolf on April 02, 2011, 07:39:49 pm
(I bet you guys never imagined something like this coming from me, eh? I have to rant. I have to vent out. See that button that says "bite"? I'm almost positive you're gonna wanna click that after you see what I'm gonna say here.)

 To be honest, I'm disappointed. Very disappointed. After talking this over with one of my friends on Skype, we came to this sort of a conclusion:
This is nothing like IT. Not at all. Isn't this supposed to be IT's remake? Yeah. It is. Is it anything like IT? NO. I just can't take it. This is not what I expected it to be. I was hoping more of that IT feel would come back. But, it didn't. And I'm kinda disappointed by that. This never came to my attention until now. Go ahead, bite me for this, troll me, get all mad, I really don't care. Do whatever you want. You can ban me for posting this. I don't care. I just think this has to be said. I don't know if anyone else feels this way, but I do. I mean, I miss the customization. Have you guys noticed all the threads about wings and items? I know those will never be added, but you know what, it's what people want nowadays. People want customization power. We WANT to make our characters unique. We WANT to be able to differ from everyone else. We WANT to stand out. in IT, we could do all this because of the limitless customization power.
And now, FH, where believe it or not, we are limited. I hate not being able to customize certain characters to my content, it's ridiculous. I know these function were taken out for a reason, to me in all honesty, taking out these small features ruined the best part of the game.
Posts like, "If you don't like it, leave." , "These were taken out a reason. Kov doesn't want them." and "FH will update. Be patient." will not change my mind. I'm glad the game was even made, but some of the best features were removed. Go ahead. Bite me. Troll me. I don't care. I'm voicing my opinion, and if you can't respect that, then well.. that's not my problem.
Title: Re: ... Well, you see...
Post by: EssenceOfShadow on April 02, 2011, 08:17:48 pm
Actually, I completely agree.
I'd prefer if the items were brought back, but you wouldn't have to do anything to get them, just have them in the editor already.
Being more of a customization freak myself, I'd rather have wings and items than levels (<-- Dont want. Will not ever try to level. Because I, sir, am lazy.)
And oh~ wings. I really, REALLY, want wings. Ahah, I sound crazy. But Gem, this post is right on c:
Title: Re: ... Well, you see...
Post by: GemWolf on April 02, 2011, 10:01:17 pm
 ..Seriously? xD Wow, I wasn't expecting anyone to agree.
Title: Re: ... Well, you see...
Post by: Tyki Mikk on April 02, 2011, 10:52:20 pm
I agree Gem. >.<

Really, Im sure tons of people agree with you. I do agree about the wings and stuff. And how this game doesnt have an IT feel to it. It feels more realistic than IT. IT was wacky and cartoony with tons of critters and worlds. FH has (will) have just about the same thing, but the fact that we might not have maps like Castle or Playground (my favorites) disappoints me.

I dont like the road of realism that Kov decided to take anymore. I do honestly miss wings and items. And I wish for items we could come to some conclusion and have them in the game without any drama. Items are what I played IT for. Hunting for hours just to be either happy with what you got or disappointed and have to try again. I understand FH is still under development but... I cant help but say I feel like Kov isnt considering some of the ideas being presented here. How do we even know he even reads the forums...?

No offense to any of the staff. In my post.
Title: Re: ... Well, you see...
Post by: BlueLegend on April 02, 2011, 10:55:18 pm
I never played IT. When I learned about it it had been down for quite a while, and I was very disappointed, because the game sounded fun. I imagined playing as a winged lion soaring though awesome maps. Then, when FH came out, I was so excited, and I had to get it. I knew there would be no wings, but that was OK, and I downloaded it. I made my first wolf, Starlight, and soon many others came. Then I learned more about IT- Hunting prey, attacking others, horns, and holding items. I realized that IT had more awesome stuff to do in FH. Plus the title was more awesome.  FH? Well, now we have to walk everywhere, and have to pretend to fight (which turns out horrible with text, because of godmodding and powerplaying. With the controls to attack, none of that is possible.).

I wish I knew about IT before it went down. I'm not saying FH is a bad game. I go there almost everyday. In fact, I believe each game is not better or worse than another. I love all games equally. But IT seemed more cooler. I agree with you.
Title: Re: ... Well, you see...
Post by: GemWolf on April 02, 2011, 11:01:09 pm
 ..Wow. xD I expected completely opposite of what I'm getting right now. I thought you guys would troll me to no end for even posting this.
I'm really glad I posted this now. Seems that I'm not the only one.
Title: Re: ... Well, you see...
Post by: Halopromise on April 02, 2011, 11:01:51 pm
I actually do agree for the most part, however, I still consider this game rather newish. They're still adding updates don't forget, some stuff may or may not be added along with possibly new features and better features.
I definetelly miss the wings, but I will live. People add them as markings to now sometimes in presets, not the same, but a good idea. I miss hunting. Currently, I find the game got boring pretty quick, but I'm just waiting for updates and stick around here to find out news. I most do map making now and preset making along with meshes. That keeps me occupied for now. IT was a lot of fun, dims, flying, hunting, items, awesome worlds, more actions, etc, etc. It's only a matter of patiently waiting, and hoping our voices are truly heard when it comes to suggestions.
Title: Re: ... Well, you see...
Post by: GemWolf on April 02, 2011, 11:12:18 pm
 I know the game is new, but honestly, I mentioned it in the first post. We're customization limited. That's the one thing I absolutely despise about this game. But again, that's me. The items and wings added variety to all my characters. No two were ever alike. And now I come on FH, and I'm limited to markings and markings only.
Title: Re: ... Well, you see...
Post by: Halopromise on April 02, 2011, 11:14:55 pm
They're probably adding more customization, I am like 90% sure from the FH group I believe I saw. But yeah, at this current time, a lot kinda look the same, over and over and over again, besides those with presets, but only people who download them can see 'em. I hope they're adding more >.>
Title: Re: ... Well, you see...
Post by: Tigg on April 02, 2011, 11:16:34 pm
 Isn't this supposed to be IT's remake? Yeah. It is. Is it anything like IT?

No. Kov never wanted FH to be a remake of IT. He hated IT, thats why he made FH.

We WANT to make our characters unique. We WANT to be able to differ from everyone else. We WANT to stand out. in IT, we could do all this because of the limitless customization power.

Use Presets. Other than that, IT just had Wings and Items. You count that as unlimited Customisation? It istn.

I have to say i miss Wings too. But i can live without them. I draw my characters. I am not such selfish excepting a game to fit my own will. I respect Kovu for his work. I accept his decisions, even if i dont like them.

Everyone can cry about anything, but if you want other things. Go ahead and make your game, see how hard it is.
Kov is following a plan for his own project FH. You have to get in your Brain that he never made FH for others, he is making it for his own project.

Thing is this. We cant change anything. Why making a Thread. It will lead to nowhere.

And who knows. Maybe Kov is keeping Wings and other Stuff for later, since he has mannaged to program the most important stuff for the game. Items and Wings and such are definitely not important.
Title: Re: ... Well, you see...
Post by: Redlinelies on April 02, 2011, 11:21:42 pm
I agree with you that FH will never, ever. Be what IT was.

However, I personally think this is for the better in some viewpoints. Ofcourse, no wings or items limits the game alot, and some of the fun dissapears. But it's just some. The game is missing alot of things that IT had in general.

I understand you. But personally I don't think wings would make the game that much better, it would just make it look abit more funky. And people would easier make dragon character or other flying things. Not because we have that many maps in the game yet like that climbing map AIsland, but it does give a somewhat unfairness since other ferals wouldn't be able to do anything while others would be able to fly wherever they wanted. I wouldn't break down and cry if wings were added though. But I feel ok with them away right now aswell.

The Items on the other hand. That is something complete different. Not only doesn't the game have prays implented yet for hunting of items, but there came so much problem with having items in the game in general, and it does add up on the work needed on the game just to get them in there. If you played IT, you know how crazy people would get about items, some just played it for 1 single reason, and that was to hunt the rare ones. People was stealing items, people spammed about trades, even hacking sprees dropping random admin items in the game that pretty much killed it all.

Even though I liked the items myself, very very much. It gave alot of consequenses. Some say by making a new item system with all items addable from the character creation screen it would be better. Question is, would it?

By doing this people wouldn't be able to hunt for the items anymore, they would just "be" there. There would be no hunting for rare items, and this way. Using items wouldn't be as fun anymore either. No items would be unique, and people would probably crave for more and more items added into the game. I'm rather sure restricted items would be added into the game once regular once are, like it's unpreventable,. This way the same crazyness would start all over again just in a slightly different way.

You really gotta think around the whole subject. No items is actually better for the game in some areas. I can agree that the fun might fade a bit, but as we mentioned, this isn't IT.

As you said, "The game is still being worked on and things will get better", and I hope for this aswell.

But if we count away the items and wings.

What if we had a bigger set of standard maps in the game to explore, what if we had a pray system, what if we had all the actions we could do in IT? Wouldn't the importance of those other too seem smaller?

The game has fell short on quite a few things IT did. And we can really just hope it gets more like IT.

I really want to let you know, that I miss both the Items, and the wings aswell. But wings is something I don't really find needed. And with items came some many problems. A general update on alot of functions for the game in general would be just as important if not more in my eyes.

This is a sketchy subject though. We can't know how the future of FH will be.
Title: Re: ... Well, you see...
Post by: GemWolf on April 02, 2011, 11:24:02 pm
 Fyi, Tigg, I am making a game right now. I'm the head of everything. I came up with the idea, I've been coding everything, designing almost everything, and I know how everything works. It is hard. But honestly, you don't see what I'm getting at.
I mean it gave my characters variety. Yes, Presets are helpful, but seriously. And I know this won't lead anywhere. I just want to be heard. What kind of a community won't let you voice your opinion? This is a community that does, so I'm taking advantage. I know no matter what I do, I can't change the game. I know it's all up to Kov. And I respect everything he's doing, but I'm just saying.

And Red, I understand everything you're saying there. I know they cause problems, but all and all... to me and other users, it just took away customization.
Title: Re: ... Well, you see...
Post by: Halopromise on April 02, 2011, 11:26:57 pm
I'm satisfied enough with the fact this is the best animal online game you can get. I can't do any other games with out them having a big flaw that turns me away. The WQ lexicon, I can't stand it myself since I can't simply use proper english and have to talk like I am 8. Sorry if any one likes WQ, I only liked the old WQ, back when they didn't go crazy trying to protect the children. Wolf home, I got bored of in a matter of an hour. Second life (Only played anthro their) is to chaotic even with their vast customization. I don't RP on FH nor did I on IT, I just come for friends and normally me and my friends only stay in my maps to chill.

Why did Kov hate IT any way?

Infact, I am making a game of my own in the far future, but it's going to take forever, I know well how crazy difficult it is to do. I haven't gotten any where yet and don't plan to until after college.
Title: Re: ... Well, you see...
Post by: GemWolf on April 02, 2011, 11:29:10 pm
 I can't stand WQ either and you're right, but you guys should understand what I'm saying here. And I'm pretty sure you do understand.
Title: Re: ... Well, you see...
Post by: Halopromise on April 02, 2011, 11:33:15 pm
I understand what you're getting at, every one has their opinions. Some are unreasonable, some are not. I have hope for FH though and normally get a lot of people to join here form my site as well.
Title: Re: ... Well, you see...
Post by: GemWolf on April 02, 2011, 11:39:21 pm
 I know it'll get better, I know making a game from scratch takes time, and I know updates do too.
But hey, I'm just trying to make a point here. I respect everyone's opinions.
Title: Re: ... Well, you see...
Post by: owenater1000 on April 02, 2011, 11:50:24 pm
Amen, You tell it lik it is! XD I never got to play Impressive Title but I have seen tons of vids from it. I would have rather played Impressive Title. I would have liked to be different instead of blending in like everyone does now!   
Title: Re: ... Well, you see...
Post by: slycan on April 03, 2011, 01:26:57 am
...are you seriously making a game?

seriously?

seriously..

PS - This wasn't a remake or a sequel for IT, I don't see Impressive Title 2 printed anywhere on the website or game.
IT's dead, let it rest in peace and move on.
Title: Re: ... Well, you see...
Post by: Ayashe on April 03, 2011, 01:29:53 am
EDIT: Lul, Sly, your signature. .O.

Agreed, but it wasn't the items and wings that made IT so special for me, but the sense of imagination and community. Seems like we lost that with the addition of canines... Don't get me wrong, I love being able to make canine characters, but you can tell it's brought with it a sense of competition between the two. (Felines vs. Canine RPs are very, very common. .-.)
Half of our members haven't even glanced at the forums. They just go off and do their own little thing in the game, rather than getting into the community. Also, with the addition of canines, a lot of younger players have flocked to this game. Now, I understand not all 11 year olds are snotty little brats, but some are. ^_^' And now the more respectable members of FH have to put up with their territory-claiming, god-modding antics.
IT wasn't like this. Yeah, we had beggars, but you can go somewhere else. (Another dimension?)
My point is,  FH seems to have sucked out the community feel. :c

/endrant? o.o Didn't mean for it to turn into one...
Title: Re: ... Well, you see...
Post by: GemWolf on April 03, 2011, 01:32:14 am
 Yes, Sly, seriously.
And you know, I'm gonna say this again: I honestly don't care if you think I'm kidding or not. I'm glad I even have the knowledge to, because frankly, most of the time I have no idea what the heck I'm doing, and then I manage to figure it out on my own.
So you know what, whatever. And I know that now, Tigg kinda explained that.

And the Canine Vs Feline thing is really getting on my nerves.. but again, that's me.
I just liked the variety. In my own opinion, we don't have that much "variety" anymore except in presets, and those have to be downloaded.
Title: Re: ... Well, you see...
Post by: TealSkeletore on April 03, 2011, 01:38:33 am
I kinda disagree with you, but I agree with you to a certain extent. I didn't really play IT in the later days at all. Do you know why? Because of the items! I hated the items! Yes they were very cool looking, but they started so much drama. I loved them at first. You have no idea how excited I was when the very first item, the Santa hat came out.
Later in IT, everyone was crammed into default where you could hardly have a proper discussion or different dimensions. When I tried looking in other maps, there was no one there, or they were just in another dimension. It was impossible to find my friends! And sometimes they wouldn't tell me what dimension they were in, so I was alone and left out. I could have made friends with other people, but most of them were mate begging, item begging idiots who just capslocked in your character's face asking if you have a KT Helmet or some other rare item :/
I joined IT sometime just after Version 4 came out. There were no items, no markings, even the character's shading looked all blockish and strange. (if this was IT at this point, imagine what FH will be like in a year) At that time there was more or less 100 or so players. But I found someone online almost every time I logged on, in some map or another.

Yes, I was excited to be able to play a winged character and to be able to fly whenever, and wherever I wanted. There are no wings in FH but I can live with that. My characters don't need wings. In fact, I never draw them with wings. I just added them to be able to fly. I'm accepting to Kov's choice to not have wings.

That's why I like FH. Because it reminds me of IT in its early days, just with more players.

There probably won't be any items either, but you know what you can look forward to? Arokai.
I probably sound like a bad FH mod by encouraging you to go play another game, but FH and Arokai are friends aren't they? In fact, I heard that Kov helped Superfeesh code the game at some point.
Come on, you get to play seven different species. Seven!!. And the customization is very similar to IT as well, where you get to change the proportions and such. (keep in mind you'll only get to play owls in the first release of the game).
AND there will be items in the character customization screen!! There's also gonna be these lemur merchant NPCs which can explain where the items came from in the first place.
I can safely say that I'm really looking forward to Arokai. Srsly, just look at that eyecandy. I can just tell it's going to be an amazing game.
Title: Re: ... Well, you see...
Post by: slycan on April 03, 2011, 01:44:48 am
You know I love you Gem xD

It's just I've seen games like Weeping Envy... Wolf Generations.... Stray....Aeon Phase...Defying Gravity...Furzeon Realms.... probably more I can't remember just totally getting to the modeling part then stop and die >.<

It's not the idea's that isn't a good thing.. its just Money, Time and Knowledge that starts to suck, I mean look at how hard FH is struggling with these 3 issues.. Servers cost over 2k buck, Kov's and how ever else is working on updates have real life to worry about too, and can't work on making maps/systems. And Knowledge, yikes.. good luck with coding if you haven't taken classes for it...

This is the reason why I haven't bothered even trying to work on Unoriginal myself xD
http://some-art.deviantart.com/gallery/?offset=48#/d2xl87r (http://some-art.deviantart.com/gallery/?offset=48#/d2xl87r)
http://some-art.deviantart.com/gallery/?offset=48#/d2szaik (http://some-art.deviantart.com/gallery/?offset=48#/d2szaik)
http://some-art.deviantart.com/gallery/?offset=72#/d2stnr6 (http://some-art.deviantart.com/gallery/?offset=72#/d2stnr6)
.. the dream still lives on though but my hopes are shot til I marry a rich guy and go to college >.>

/too honest..
Title: Re: ... Well, you see...
Post by: GemWolf on April 03, 2011, 01:51:28 am
 Aro'kai is one of those games I seriously can't wait for, I'm looking forward to it. And yeah, I know all that about Aro'kai. I've been following the progress.
And I remember that, I joined in 0.4 too. Then when items were added I went ballistic, and decided to get a bit more creative with my characters.
I can live without these things, but I kinda miss the customization we had in IT. The items and wings just added even more to my creativity with characters, and well.. yeah.

And lol Sly, sorry I kinda snapped. I'm not in the best mood, I have a lot of stuff going on.
And I've already passed the modelling. All the models are pretty much done, it's coming along quite nicely.. And for the coding, I (luckily) have enough money to hire a mentor and pay for everything. So this isn't gonna be one of the unfinished projects.
Title: Re: ... Well, you see...
Post by: Aerokitzz on April 03, 2011, 06:07:30 am
Agreed. I am a little surprised the troll-brigade hasn't arrived yet though. XD But i agree, this needed to be said. By any means... We aren't saying to put items or wings back in the game. We're just saying how the little things we had in I.T were what made it fun. That being said, I too, personally, am more excited for Arokai than anything. It looks simply AMAZING. FH will never be I.T., true. But the problem is, FH itself is rather boring at the moment, because it's fairly new. And new games start off boring, but get better. Alot of old I.T. players came here, like me. But i'm fairly disappointed with FH. I understand Kov has many things on his shoulders in life, But FH just wasn't what i expected. I didn't expect too much, however, i DID expect at least SOME aspects of I.T. In this. Alot of things back in I.T. were taken away in FH. Thus making it a boring game, To me, It feels ALOT like WQ, Just without all the fail-roleplaying kiddies, grammar failasaurs, and so on. There isn't much to do. When it came out, it was exciting, then it got old. I just feel like too much of the cartoony-aspect was taken away. No one likes an ENTIRELY REALISTIC game. That's just boring in itself. Whatever Kov does is his decision, correct, but we, as the people, have the right to voice our opinions, even if it doesn't do anything. We don't CARE if it doesn't make a change, it NEEDED to be said. That about sums this up. /goes back to drawing stuff on sai
Title: Re: ... Well, you see...
Post by: Maslien3 on April 03, 2011, 07:05:10 am
I didn't read any other responses before posting this :/
But I nuzzled you.

You are so right. Although I love FH it's for different reasons. I loved IT for all the reasons you named. Customization, items.. And as much as I love the new models... I still miss the old ones. I like the removal of the item drama, but I miss my claws and my antlers.. and my skeleton back pieces.

Unfortunately, FeralHeart will never live up to what Impressive Title was.. even if all of those things were added imo. It's just not the same... :C
Title: Re: ... Well, you see...
Post by: GemWolf on April 03, 2011, 02:06:30 pm
 And here, I wasn't expecting too many people to agree.. .w.;
Title: Re: ... Well, you see...
Post by: Tyki Mikk on April 03, 2011, 02:08:28 pm
Silly Gem. xD I too was expecting tons of people by now to be saying "Get over it! Kovu will make his game how he wants! Blah blah blah rant!" I get on my soapbox sometimes but some people.... >.<
Title: Re: ... Well, you see...
Post by: GemWolf on April 03, 2011, 02:16:46 pm
 I was expecting more trolls than anything. xD

The thing is with FH is that.. I know more will  be added, but honestly, taking wings and items away just took customization power away to me.
Title: Re: ... Well, you see...
Post by: Tyki Mikk on April 03, 2011, 02:29:39 pm
Yeah I see what your saying. I miss wings too. Items more though. Items showed you really were involved with the game. Hunting with my friends was the most fun I ever had besides rp'ing with them. World exploration was exciting too. We have worlds now, its just that none of them have that... Castle or Playground feel. I'd love it if they brought some of the IT maps back.

But yeah, Items wasnt the only reason I played, like some people say. I played to be with my friends, to talk and chat, meet new people, or just sit around and watch other people rp. I sat in default alot. And thats how I found some of my good friends believe it or not. I cant do that in FH without being forcefully dragged into a childishly done rp. Nothin but little kids playing FH now. Immature brats, Lion and wolfaboos, and rude people.

Honestly... Its not the game that makes FH boring. Its the community. In FH's Flourite plains and Bonefire Island, you cant move one paw step without "getting your throat ripped out" or being yelled at because you have a canine character, being called a "stupid dog" or a "filthy cat". I mean really?

Like someone said, all this came about with the addition of canines. Lions and Canines (player wise) dont always get along and this brings about the childish Lion vs Canines war. Which of most, little brats participate in.

Im really disappointed at how ugly the community in game has gotten. I stay out of public maps because the community is so unwelcoming to a fellow player. And what makes me angry is that the mods, and people with SANITY like us cant do a thing about it. Nothing accept blocking them, which I find pointless because theres still millions of idiots out there.

/End rant @_@
Title: Re: ... Well, you see...
Post by: GemWolf on April 03, 2011, 02:49:52 pm
 That, I completely agree with. There used to be such a nice community in IT, what happened?
I kinda wish this game wasn't so popular. It has about... 30,000 members now? A bit less? Am I wrong in saying so? I know people with groups of 2,000+ people who just recently found out about this game (On one site, a few groups of 1000+, all Warrior Cat Clans.) Sure, more publicity for Kovu's game, I just don't like the user size limit. And we have people under  the age of 13 here, who aren't mature at all. Not saying all people are under 13 are immature, but most I know are.

./End of community rant.

I miss the variety, I miss the community, and overall, I miss IT. I know that most likely, none of this will get to Kovu. I highly doubt he even checks the forums. But it's still something I feel needed to be said.
I know IT is never coming back. I know that wings and items will probably never be added. But it was something worth speaking about, in my opinion.
Title: Re: ... Well, you see...
Post by: Halopromise on April 03, 2011, 05:13:39 pm
I can agree that some of the community in game is very unpleasant, I can't sit in bon fire island with out some fight going on or so sort of immature rank spewing from random players mouths that make you want to strangle them and tell them to grow up. I keep away from bon fire, considering the only ones who are nice end up just instantly beg for me to be their mate or mother. I have gotten a few friends from in game, those who knew me from some where else or those who are sane. Me and my friends normally just stay in private maps to chill and do our thing. It appeared that IT had a bit more friendly members, I got a lot more friends there a lot faster with out needing to even approach. But, this is a problem with those people making the game kind of unpleasant, nothing you can really do unless you want to go all WQ mod on them. I just ignore it really, I've never been bothered much, if so I got the block button.
Title: Re: ... Well, you see...
Post by: Steak on April 03, 2011, 06:07:51 pm
I agree.
I never played IT. But it was the welcoming community [and just maybe those pretty items] that attracted me most to the game.
I recently chatted with an person that knew me from online I guess. She was in IT. She spun me tales of floating islands and mystical flying felines. Items by the loads, and prey of plenty. Most interesting was the monster ray. Friends would gather and have a blast attacking the powerful creature.
That chat really made me frown on the fact that IT seemed like a overall better game. [I understand FH is freshly out and will be added to]
Canines >.< Don't get me started on the overpopulation of immature nine year old's who cuss you out rather poorly as them. I've seen so many felines vs. canine wars its not even funny. I don't bother to block em' either. To many.

I hope in the future the community straightens up. Items, prey, wings and a fighting system are dreams of most here. Though most of them probably won't be added we can wish can't we?

You all may kick me out now. xD
Title: Re: ... Well, you see...
Post by: Tyki Mikk on April 03, 2011, 07:43:29 pm
Nah. I dont think anyone will kick you out Steak. xD

I miss the monster ray. Best critter/boss there was. The fact that you could sit and wait for him to fade into view underwater and listen to his cry. It was really interesting really. The thing scared the bajeebers out of me though. >.<

But yeah... this thread is full of us IT vets (even the ones that joined near the end, like myself, I consider them IT veterans). I love reliving the good'ol days. But one thing that bothers me is the thought of someone popping in here and telling us to get over ourselves and stop living in the past, etc etc... Even if my best of best friends ever were to tell me that, it would bother me.

I just miss IT and I dont see in any way possible why kov would hate IT. If anything he should love it. Because it built the foundation for his upcoming games. (If he ever decides to make any) I hate my art after I look back on it at some point. But after a while I come to terms with it. Because I drew that before I got where I am today. Whether it was the worse thing I ever drew or not.

But thats just my opinion. Thats just me.
Title: Re: ... Well, you see...
Post by: GemWolf on April 03, 2011, 07:56:56 pm
 Omg. The monster ray was so entertaining. I loved it.

I honestly hope that some of this old IT stuff gets added back. I don't understand how Kov could hate IT, when it was enjoyed but so many others. Good ol' IT days, eh?
I would love to see more of IT's stuff added into this game. That would complete me. xD Just for it to have more of a feel...
Title: Re: ... Well, you see...
Post by: Kamaete on April 03, 2011, 08:27:40 pm
Kov will make the game how he wants, get over it. Rant rant rant.

Lol, jk.  I never played IT (except for the tut download still available) but I watched videos for it.  Really, the wings and some items seemed a bit much for me, and leveling is just not something I'm good at.  I'm all for greater customization, in fact I'm putting together a marking pack with a whole bunch of planned natural and unnatural markings. I'm hoping to merge it into a bigger pack and perhaps Kov will take a liking to it and add it into the game. 
    Otherwise, I'd enjoy a greater customization ability as well, though I'd enjoy it more if it were kept to markings and colors.  Perhaps two or three markings and colors, or different colors for the three different body parts.  Wings would defeat the purpose of most of my maps.  Walking everywhere is very much the point, as (at least in my maps) it allows you to explore everything.  There are a couple of places you won't even be able to find unless you literally stumble into them.
     Items are okay as long as there's no rainbow ties, santa hats outrageous items and they're all public.

    Oh, and the reason why Kovu probably hates IT has to do with artist's mentality.  Meaning, you hate most everything you create. >.> /fail reason.
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Post by: Tyki Mikk on April 03, 2011, 08:51:33 pm
and leveling is just not something I'm good at.  

IT never had leveling. :I

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Oh, and the reason why Kovu probably hates IT has to do with artist's mentality.  Meaning, you hate most everything you create
I am an artist and I know this, as does Gem and everyone else Im sure. xD I mentioned that in my last post. But something tells me thats not the reason he hates it. I dont know if this something is right but I hope it is.
Title: Re: ... Well, you see...
Post by: Kamaete on April 03, 2011, 09:15:02 pm
and leveling is just not something I'm good at. 

IT never had leveling. :I

^ Never said it did, but someone posted (here) about leveling and some people talked about it and group it with items.

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Oh, and the reason why Kovu probably hates IT has to do with artist's mentality.  Meaning, you hate most everything you create
I am an artist and I know this, as does Gem and everyone else Im sure. xD I mentioned that in my last post. But something tells me thats not the reason he hates it. I dont know if this something is right but I hope it is.

^So nice to know, I'm also an artist.  I was answering another person's post.  I don't use quotes because they take to much effort, though I suppose from now on I should.  To avoid confusion.  And, because I'm not Kovu so I don't know, all I can speculate is that it's artist's mentality.  A good lot probably has to do with how the models looked and even more on the problems with hackers and the ilk.  Most certainly other, more personal stuff we don't need to know about, but I think AM is a fairly reasonable guess.  /off topic.

All in all, I'm all for more customization but maybe in limited quantities, or something similar. 
Title: Re: ... Well, you see...
Post by: Tyki Mikk on April 03, 2011, 09:37:57 pm
I cant tell if you were being sarcastic when you say "So nice to know". I didnt know you were answering someone else. xD Sorry about that. I question if you were being sarcastic because (I say this alot) I find myself getting negative answers because people seem to think Im attacking them when I respond to their post. Happens a lot.
(I edited this post several times. o.o)

Anyway...
I was thinking it was the hacking too. With all the item drama I'd shut my crap down for good too. -_-;
Title: Re: ... Well, you see...
Post by: slycan on April 03, 2011, 11:17:09 pm
complaining won't get updates out faster.

~just saying

you guys can call IT what ever you want but when you break it down - its the same crappy community and just more people.

I barely see any threads saying the up's on this game - it's always the same " people fighting" thing and " customization please!" that.

You guys have been giving so much freedom in this game ~ Presets , Maps ,a wide and growing rages of markings, tails, - and even look at the species thread.

Think about it - do you guys ~Really~ want this "community" to be like IT was? - I mean think about how some of the Staff were there, how you didn't have options to be creative 3D and Artistically, how there wasn't wolves , how there was hackers multiplying items and making huge characters called "Lag-o-saurus" ?

Do you guys -really- want that back ?
Title: Re: ... Well, you see...
Post by: GemWolf on April 04, 2011, 12:47:42 am
 Y'know Sly, when you say it like that, I was like "..Those are really good points." xD
Title: Re: ... Well, you see...
Post by: Tyki Mikk on April 04, 2011, 03:42:16 am
Lol Sly, those are good points. But thats not what we want. All I really want is a little less focus on the realism kinda look and add some gimmicks or something. Now, before anyone gets on my case, I know I know I know updates are on the way. Im just saying.

Actually I dont know what Im saying. Im just spewing the thoughts in my mind. xD

But anyway, we're just hoping Kov decides to bring some IT things. Not asking for items, wings, hackers or lag.
Title: Re: ... Well, you see...
Post by: Kyugima on April 04, 2011, 05:04:21 am
Well, from what I have seen hunting might be added. In one of the hunting threads Kovu posted about the hunting system he was thinking of, which sounded awesome.
More customisation would be good too, there is good customisation now, not everyone looks exactly the same (although you do notice a lot of people using the same colours...) but there could be and probably will be more.
But I think with the way things are now if Items are ever considered to be added, they should be held off for a while. There is enough complaints about lagging, if items are added people are just going to complain more... Items should wait until a few issues are fixed...

And on the topic of 'Realism'

I don't know how many times people have complained about if Kovu wants realism then he wouldn't let the characters be multicoloured, that he would add hunting, etc. and it seems to be the excuse for most people who want things added to the game. but he never said it was going to be focused on realism! HE WANTED REALISTIC ANATOMY.
I don't mean to be rude or anything while pointing this out, but most people who go on about the realism are very misinformed.
This is mostly meant for the Jazz person who posted about the game being realistic or something like that, and to fix up misunderstandings. And I think Kovu has done a good job at making the anatomy more realistic, I have seen some of the old models, and they are more cartoony, FH's model's look more detailed, you know?
And I know this post is going to be ignored... It's happened plenty of times before, try to fix up a misunderstanding and they don't want to hear it because it's their excuse or whatever for the things they want added...

Sorry if this post seems rude to anyone, or I have gotten off track... I'm not too good at putting my thoughts down in words.
Title: Re: ... Well, you see...
Post by: GemWolf on April 04, 2011, 12:10:03 pm
 Kyu, I know that. And what Tyki said, we just want more of an IT feel back. Is that too much to ask? And yeah, I saw that thread. Hunting will most likely be added from what I've seen, but again... we just want some IT feel back. Is that too much to ask?

Y'know, I'm actually kinda disappointed that I haven't seen any trolls here yet LOL.
Title: Re: ... Well, you see...
Post by: Kyugima on April 04, 2011, 12:31:49 pm
  My comment wasn't directed at you. Or Tyki.
  It was meant for those who have mistaken realistic anatomy for all over realism. I never said anything against getting some of the old IT feel back. I simply tried to fix up any misunderstandings about the game supposed to be 'realistic'. I just wanted to clear up any mistunderstandings.
  And I did mention that Kovu had done a good job at making the models less cartoony, but I never said anything against the models being like that. I never said getting some of the old IT feel back would be bad. In fact, the models looking a little more cartoony would be cool.
  Sorry if I sound rude, but I felt like I had to clear that up. I never said anything against going a little more like IT.
Title: Re: ... Well, you see...
Post by: Kayo on April 04, 2011, 03:41:35 pm
i remember somewhere that someone said FH it was gonna be like IT but also a completely different game. I think its like.. i dont know how to put it but... a moral of some sort?
Title: Re: ... Well, you see...
Post by: slycan on April 04, 2011, 05:52:05 pm
@Kyu

This was my favorite part , cuz its true..

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It's happened plenty of times before, try to fix up a misunderstanding and they don't want to hear it because it's their excuse or whatever for the things they want added...
Title: Re: ... Well, you see...
Post by: Maslien3 on April 05, 2011, 01:32:52 am
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And what Tyki said, we just want more of an IT feel back. Is that too much to ask?


As much as I agree with you (about wanting that "IT feel")..... I don't think it will ever happen. Even if Kovu tries to add some of the old things, I don't think it will ever be the same.

And that's my opinion, and feel free to disagree but... just sayin. :c
Title: Re: ... Well, you see...
Post by: Kamaete on April 05, 2011, 01:34:52 pm
Tyki, I wasn't being sarcastic. (Well, half of me was, but the other half was very pleased at knowing how many artists are on FH's forums.  The first half was just in a bad mood. >.>)  I get you, and I know you weren't attacking me, lol.  Just a bad mood I got caught in.  You made nice points.

And I think I want to start a thread praising FH's awesomeness.  I fear it shall be clogged with "but it'd be better if___" posts.  This is actually the first game I can play.  And by that I mean, I can honestly play it.  I fail at other games (Silent Hill, Call of Duty, Kingdom Hearts, Grand Theft Auto, Second Life... I've tried every game and dramatically fail at them, so FH being a game where I don't have to do anything is really awesome to me.)  Also, being able to be artistically involved is just awesome! :3
Title: Re: ... Well, you see...
Post by: Tyki Mikk on April 05, 2011, 08:35:45 pm
^Thats good. xD I was kinda worried I'd upset yet another person unintentionally.

I hope they add the hunting soon so I can make maps just for that purpose. I've been waiting forever and Im so psyched about hunting with my friends again. Even though the critters wont drop anything, with the banning of items, it'll still be fun.
Title: Re: ... Well, you see...
Post by: TealSkeletore on April 05, 2011, 11:30:29 pm
I'm hoping that prey behaves more realistically rather than just wandering aimlessly in the map xD
Title: Re: ... Well, you see...
Post by: GemWolf on April 05, 2011, 11:33:13 pm
 Lol Teal, that much I hope for as well. xD
Title: Re: ... Well, you see...
Post by: Tyki Mikk on April 06, 2011, 12:53:03 am
Yeah. That'll add some fun. Like if the player has to actually stalk up close enough and bolt at it like real canines and felines do in the wild. I dont think they had that in IT. The animals would walk up to you and run off like you werent even there.  xD
Title: Re: ... Well, you see...
Post by: redthedog10 on April 07, 2011, 02:46:00 pm
I agree even though I never played IT.We have limits now and I am a VERY cretive person and I don't like these limts...thats why I got off Wolf Quest.I want Arokai now that I have noticed these limits.Arokai will have less limits and I will always be on there if FH is not edited to be more unlimeted in creativeity.x3
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Post by: kahara on April 07, 2011, 07:16:16 pm
Short and to the point from me.

Impressive Title was Impressive Title.
FeralHeart will be FeralHeart.

We can hope and work together to improve the game, and keep Impressive Title in our memories and not let go of what was once.

And I'm not surprised at FH's outcome.

But, as hard as it may be to some, attempt a positive outlook on the game.
Title: Re: ... Well, you see...
Post by: Sylph on April 07, 2011, 07:43:33 pm
Well, I never played IT before. So, yeah. xD But, here's what I have to say.
You can never please anyone with new games. Sequels, etc. Besides, I heard that FH wasn't even supposed to be a remake of IT. It's a completely new game. Just takes some getting used to. :3 Besides, you just got to be patient. I bet the admin have more add-ons coming, that will make the game even better. It's fairly new, and still needs fixing. ;3 It'll be as good as IT in times to come. Perhaps better. 8)
Title: Re: ... Well, you see...
Post by: Jinchuuriki on April 08, 2011, 12:03:55 am
I agree with Kahara.

Also, maybe its just me because ive been with IT so long, im used to all the constant changes.

You also have to keep in mind that the making of Feralheart was kind of pushed and that everyone wanted it out so badly, Kovu threw it out there without much things in it. Yes it may not be what everyone was expecting, but future updates will make the game better and what was wanted.

Finally, Ferlaheart is supposed to be a remake of IT, but IT was bare like this too when it first started, with only [1] map which was default. So really FH is already looking to have a greater future than IT did.
Title: Re: ... Well, you see...
Post by: shusuke on April 10, 2011, 04:03:46 am
It's called nostalgia, and it's happened with a lot of good games recently.

Those who hate what Activision did with poor Spyro will know exactly what I'm talking about.

Grew up with the old things/experienced the old things and are thus believing that the old is needed/would make things more interesting. IMO every time I got something I wanted in a game I got bored. VERY quickly. Mainly because I couldn't make up my mind on what to do after.

Personally I'm enjoying seeing how FH is different [excluding game community issues; some people are taking the word "feral" a little too seriously > >]. Though that's mainly because I never got to experience IT in it's old days. I played for 45 minutes, and uninstalled it to escape from the mayhem.

I honestly would like to see some old IT things put back to see what I missed, but I'm also wanting to see what FH could become without much IT influence.

LOL with all the opinions on why Kov would "hate" FH. I actually have a pretty good idea on the actual reason. But I'm going to keep it to myself. |D


My opinion is pretty much useless since I'm thinking of joining a game project more than playing this, personally. > > Just my psychological opinions.
Title: Re: ... Well, you see...
Post by: Hiccupby on April 21, 2011, 12:51:16 am
wow, this is a super interesting read, and people are so polite even though they are of dissenting opinions. I think that is an indication that atleast on the forums a good community exists ^_^.  Here's my two cents: I haven't played IT, but thought the characters were positively delightful looking due to their personality.  I think that this is still a fledgling game, and things are moveing slowly especially since it's privately funded, I love the ability to make presets and private maps, but I too am hoping for more exploratin in the customization front- not wings necessarily but more along the lines of more freedom with proportions, markings, and additions such as manes etc.  And though after reading through a lot of things it DOES seem as if Kovu doesn't pay much attention to the forums.  But  I think we are wrong in assuming that he wont listen to atleast SOME of the ideas. Why? Because, as personal a project as this game is to him, he put it online for a reason inspite of it being so personal, he wants people to share his creation, see what they do with it, watch them test it etc.  and people will lose faith and interest if FH continues as it is.  Seeing that Kovu obviously put this up because he wants to share/test it he doesn't want to lose that user base, so updating reasonably on customization and such is a necessary evil for him and the survival of this game- it's just good public artist sense, do you think andy warhol wanted to paint millions of campbells soup cans? probably not, but he did it because people loved it and he wanted to share his creation (and make money) so in order to keep on seeing people on the FH server some things do have to be compromised.  I think the reason that we are seeing a lack of update is because we have this massive list of customize this and bug fix that that needs to be prioritezed and then implemented.  I'm impatient and a little annoyed  along with the rest of y'all on that front, but at the same time I understand.  You know what I'd really appreciate? News.  A post here and there about upcoming features, things being fixed, screenshots of works in progress. Case in point, Antilla is an upcoming anthro rpg, and the creator kindly and faithfully puts up a news post each month on the progress being made no matter how small- just to reasure us that they still care about the game, are still thinking about it  are still making it.  I think the lack of newsposts like that- a lack  indication that the game is still cared about and being worked on, is what has me most riled up/disturbed.  So to end this ramble a newspost from the other end here and there so we can be reasured that FH hasn't been abandoned in the state it is in now would be lovely and sooth the angry lions and wolves out there. I'm frustrated too, but I want to cling to hope , if some of you will join me :3
Title: Re: ... Well, you see...
Post by: Hiccupby on April 21, 2011, 12:54:45 am
lol sorry for the wall of text guys XP
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Post by: GemWolf on April 21, 2011, 01:00:59 am
 Whoa, nice text wall. xD
And I would love to hear some news on updates and such right now, but I'm not sure if anyone but Kovu knows exactly what's coming up and how to explain it. But eh, I guess we'll have to wait and see.
Title: Re: ... Well, you see...
Post by: Shadowtail on April 06, 2012, 02:32:35 pm
I think IT sounds more fun and lots of people agree, you cant do that much with FH, but its Kovus decision. I would LOVE items.
Title: Re: ... Well, you see...
Post by: Kyugima on April 06, 2012, 02:36:37 pm
Shadownight, how old is your version of fh?! we HAVE items.

also, PLEASE stop necroing LONG DEAD THREADS. especially when you are making comments that hold NO relevance any more.
Title: Re: ... Well, you see...
Post by: Shadowtail on April 07, 2012, 11:11:11 am
oh, sorry, I only have one item D:
Title: Re: ... Well, you see...
Post by: Kyugima on April 07, 2012, 11:31:43 am
You can download items, and what makes you think it will stay at 1 item? From what I have heard, even IT just started with the Santa Claus hat. But that got even more items eventually. So FH will probably follow the same pattern.
Title: Re: ... Well, you see...
Post by: DivineHeroine on June 13, 2012, 05:30:04 pm
I know the game is new, but honestly, I mentioned it in the first post. We're customization limited. That's the one thing I absolutely despise about this game. But again, that's me. The items and wings added variety to all my characters. No two were ever alike. And now I come on FH, and I'm limited to markings and markings only.
Expect the unexpected! :D
Title: Re: ... Well, you see...
Post by: CloudFish on June 13, 2012, 06:17:55 pm
Don't necro old threads por favor. This doesn't really even hold relevance anymore.