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Title: Help KovuLKD: Wings or not?
Post by: KovuLKD on December 19, 2011, 05:13:00 am
I'm having a dilemma and i need you guys to help me make a decision.
In the poll that Redlinelies posted, 37% voted no to wings. That's more than 1/3 of you, which means if i go ahead with the majority (63%), one third of you will be upset.

As with many of the decisions i've made for the game, there will always be a significant number of players who will personally complain to me against my choice, several of which presenting me with huge essays (hence every time reading my inbox is like reading an entire storybook LOL).

So this time, for this big issue of wings or not, i'm hoping you guys will help me make the decision.
Wings will definitely create a huge change to FH's look and feel, so this is a big one.

This poll is different from the other one because you're supposed to think in my position: not whether you want wings or not, but whether i should disappoint 1/3 of you by going ahead with adding wings.

(off-topic: i personally hope Arokai will be out soon, it'll be a huge load off my shoulders with you demanding lot :P)
Title: Re: Help KovuLKD: Wings or not?
Post by: DarkMist on December 19, 2011, 05:19:13 am
I'd say you should go ahead and put wings into the game. The 1/3 of the people aren't really being forced to use them, and they can ignore others using wings, so... If I was you, I'd go ahead. Just my opinion.
Title: Re: Help KovuLKD: Wings or not?
Post by: Skiver on December 19, 2011, 05:20:40 am
To  keep it short and simple, I personally don't vote for them since it's just bringing another part of IT back. :/ Prey and items, I am A-OK with, but wings being on top of that pile is basically making a prettier version of IT.

Your descision though.


 /flies out.
Title: Re: Help KovuLKD: Wings or not?
Post by: Kyugima on December 19, 2011, 05:47:45 am
I'd say you should go ahead and put wings into the game. The 1/3 of the people aren't really being forced to use them, and they can ignore others using wings, so... If I was you, I'd go ahead. Just my opinion.

  The 1/3 of us also know that, and also know it isn't as simple as ignoring the wings. Realistic RP's will be thrown out the window because everyone will be obsessed with their wings, it will be harder to catch those doing wrong because they will just fly off, or troll from the air. God modding and power playing will rise because everyone will just fly off. Lag would probably increase, and so would glitches and bugs if they aren't done right.

  Just wanted to point those points out. Personally I don't want to see FH turn into just a prettified IT, and there are going to be heaps of hassles with wings ingame. Yes, I do know that the majority want wings, but saying we can just put up with it and ignore it isn't right, because there might be good reasons we don't want wings ingame.

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@ KovuLKD

  I can put up with wings if they are implemented well, and only then. Wings are a huge thing to add, and would bring more issues and glitches along with them. Adding wings would probably increase the amount of lag ingame, and with some people already crashing due to lag, it might not be such a swell idea if they are not implemented right. Most of my points are covered in retaliation to the person who said we should put up with wings. Most you wouldn't really care about either. The main things I worry about are lagging and glitches.
Title: Re: Help KovuLKD: Wings or not?
Post by: .CrossBow. on December 19, 2011, 08:45:50 am
                                                                       Kyugima makes a good point.
                                                              Ill post one last time voicing my opinion :]

   I know your probably telling yourself this will never be a win win situation. I'm sad to say its true. Lets face it, people will never be happy with what you do. There will always be people that want it done their way or the highway. I'm not going to spam you with PM telling you how much i dislike this idea but, i will say it is wrong to ask us just to ignore it. Those of us that have been on FH for quite a while love it the way it is & I'm sure the majority of us would hate to see it change. We've grown to accept FH as being one of the few realistic games offered online. If unnatural flying pixels is what the people want then give them a link to one of the IT sites. I'm sorry to say it like that but I've been noticing that most of the people that want this new change are the 'newer' people that haven't grown to like FH as an already spectacular game. (not that i have anything against you newbies. I love you all ^^)
  
  Personally i think wings are more trouble than they are worth but you ultimately  decide & i commend you for your hard work. FH can still continue to stand out from the crowd without wings, much like it is today. Its all thanks to you & the rest of the team for making things like this possible. Try not to strain yourselves too much ;3
Title: Re: Help KovuLKD: Wings or not?
Post by: Jitters on December 19, 2011, 08:52:01 am
Let's present this in another perspective.

Many people who play FH do not go on the forum and vote. Many don't even know that the forum exists ( Although I think that's messed up). If you were able to get votes from active members in game, I'd venture to guess the votes would lean more towards supporting wings. I feel our votes on the forum may be a touch biased, we are the ones who sit in the forums all day and discuss FH....but what about the ones who sit on FH all day and ignore the forums? We've only taken a vote from a (very) small group of FH players.

The next thing I'd like to point out is that wings were announced a long time ago. When this announcement was made, many people were upset because they were told there wouldn't be wings, however now people have been told that it is true, there will be wings! By changing your mind, all of those people will feel betrayed and lied to, even if that was not your intention. Many of us will understand, but many will not and will be angry.

I didn't vote in favor of wings, however I would be very disappointed to not see them after all that has been said and planned and discussed. It'll change FH forever, yes, but I think we're too late to change our minds now. With or without the polls.

Also, would you rather upset 1/3 of those who voted....or 2/3? In the end, majority won for wings. As painful as it sounds to us now, I think in the end when the dust settles FH will be just as glorious as it ever was.
Title: Re: Help KovuLKD: Wings or not?
Post by: MasiYumi on December 19, 2011, 12:39:14 pm
I really think Kovu should make wings, because FeralHeart has gotten boring without them. And my comp wont let me log into IW no matter what. And besides, whoever doesn't like them dont need to use them, and everyone will be happy :)
Title: Re: Help KovuLKD: Wings or not?
Post by: Kyugima on December 19, 2011, 12:48:39 pm
I really think Kovu should make wings, because FeralHeart has gotten boring without them. And my comp wont let me log into IW no matter what. And besides, whoever doesn't like them dont need to use them, and everyone will be happy :)

Did you NOT read what i said in reply to the last person who said that kind of thing? It's not something you can just ignore and be happy with, whether you use wings or not, it still affects you greatly. Lag, glitches, a lack of RP, trolls who get away with things by flying off before you can do anything about them.
Title: Re: Help KovuLKD: Wings or not?
Post by: Blackmore on December 19, 2011, 01:18:19 pm
I WOULD SAY YES ADD WINGS I NEVER PLAYED IT AND I WANT 2 SEE WHAT THEY ARE LIKE SO YES ADD THEM
Title: Re: Help KovuLKD: Wings or not?
Post by: Password on December 19, 2011, 04:41:44 pm
I'm not sure whether the idea of adding wings is a good idea or not, there is both advantages and disadvantages eaither way.

I would say that more problems would be caused if wings were added than if they were'nt, although the majority of people want wings to be added, it probbably wouldn't stop them playing FH if wings were'nt added. Then again if wings were added it wouldn't stop me personally from playing FH.

(At the same time you look at this message and notice how many times I use 'wings added' X3 my bad)

Now I can't think of anything else to say, so..... -poofs-
Title: Re: Help KovuLKD: Wings or not?
Post by: ReaperShadcat on December 20, 2011, 03:11:46 am
I would personally enjoy wings, as I like to view scenery and explore with them, as well as enjoy the sensation of flight, be it computerized or not.

I do not understand people who think that there will no longer be realistic roleplay due to wings. People who want to roleplay realistically will still be able to make realistic characters and roleplay realistically. People already godmod and powerplay and having a physical addition to their avatars will neither increase nor decrease this.

I never quite understood the idea that FH was 'realistic' either. The models are very well-done and realistic anatomically, but when it is possible to create brightly-colored beasts, as well as talk as them and 'live' in a community of them. Reality dictates that this would never happen.

There is a reason people make fantastical things, and that's because it's fun for the imagination! Humans have dreamed of flight for a millennium and more, and I think adding it as a possibility for the imaginative/creative process of FH is an excellent idea.
Title: Re: Help KovuLKD: Wings or not?
Post by: Kyugima on December 20, 2011, 03:18:09 am
I do not understand people who think that there will no longer be realistic roleplay due to wings. People who want to roleplay realistically will still be able to make realistic characters and roleplay realistically.

It is simple, yes, we can create all the realistic roleplays we want, but no one would join because they would all be obsessed with their wings. No one would want to join a RP where wings are not allowed. And a RP is not a RP if you are doing it by yourself, now is it?
Title: Re: Help KovuLKD: Wings or not?
Post by: hannah on December 20, 2011, 03:20:56 am
i have been waiting for wings plenty,  i think they SHOULD be added,  and i see plenty also agree,  and some don't.  i think they are a fine addition, there will always be people bugging you/a small percent detesting things..  it's just how things go..  but i say yay for wings,  instead of nay.
Title: Re: Help KovuLKD: Wings or not?
Post by: akarVSkage on December 20, 2011, 03:25:16 am
to me YEESS if you added wings this would be the perfect game for me I have a chare that has wings and cant make her on here bc theres no wings.. snd plus it will show how creative the people can be...having wings will make fh more popular
Title: Re: Help KovuLKD: Wings or not?
Post by: hannah on December 20, 2011, 03:29:33 am
I do not understand people who think that there will no longer be realistic roleplay due to wings. People who want to roleplay realistically will still be able to make realistic characters and roleplay realistically.

It is simple, yes, we can create all the realistic roleplays we want, but no one would join because they would all be obsessed with their wings. No one would want to join a RP where wings are not allowed. And a RP is not a RP if you are doing it by yourself, now is it?
 yes,  but only some of my character would/should have them,  some people will chose to have them,  some will get tired of them after a while,  and some will keep them.. if they have realistic characters to begin with,  i can almost say definitely some will not use them much,  i do not see a reason to be largely hurt by this..  we don't own the game,  he is the sole owner.  meaning,  it is ultimately up to him to make this decision.  i think that some realistic RPs will stick around,  trust me.  please try not to be largely upset by me disagreeing with you,  but i have to.  it's just the way i am,  and i truly wish people would stop spamming kov's inbox,  i find it to be disrespectful,  at the amount it's coming in.. that's my opinion,  feel free to rage,  give me negative karma,  etc.  i don't really mind, and will stay by the side of FH's community,  no matter how many people act silly.  i also stay loyal to other games of it's type,  so don't expect me to be here 100%.
Title: Re: Help KovuLKD: Wings or not?
Post by: Kyugima on December 20, 2011, 03:41:44 am
I do not understand people who think that there will no longer be realistic roleplay due to wings. People who want to roleplay realistically will still be able to make realistic characters and roleplay realistically.
It is simple, yes, we can create all the realistic roleplays we want, but no one would join because they would all be obsessed with their wings. No one would want to join a RP where wings are not allowed. And a RP is not a RP if you are doing it by yourself, now is it?
  yes,  but only some of my character would/should have them,  some people will chose to have them,  some will get tired of them after a while,  and some will keep them.. if they have realistic characters to begin with,  i can almost say definitely some will not use them much,  i do not see a reason to be largely hurt by this..  we don't own the game,  he is the sole owner.  meaning,  it is ultimately up to him to make this decision.  i think that some realistic RPs will stick around,  trust me.  please try not to be largely upset by me disagreeing with you,  but i have to.  it's just the way i am,  and i truly wish people would stop spamming kov's inbox,  i find it to be disrespectful,  at the amount it's coming in.. that's my opinion,  feel free to rage,  give me negative karma,  etc.  i don't really mind, and will stay by the side of FH's community,  no matter how many people act silly.  i also stay loyal to other games of it's type,  so don't expect me to be here 100%.
What does kovu's inbox have to do with what I said? And I also pointed out other issues, but the RP is the one that was brought up. there is also the Lag it will bring, the possible glitches and issues and bugs, the people that will use them to get out of being caught when doing something wrong.
And are you calling me silly for pointing out flaws with wings? I never said I despised them or do what those who want wings do and threaten to leave the game or saying the game will die off without them... so I don't see how I'm the one being silly. I even said I wouldn't mind too badly if they were implemented WELL.
And I know he owns the game, I'm not trying to make him not implement them if he wants to implement them, they were already announced, and I agree with Sameth, if this is changed, some people are going to get REALLY Butthurt, but I'm just trying to show why I think this way to people who do not understand or refuse to see how wings could have a negative effect.
And also, you don't have to disagree with me, especially not with a post that was just explaining why realistic RP's could dissappear if wings are implemented >.>
Title: Re: Help KovuLKD: Wings or not?
Post by: FoxiePlushie on December 20, 2011, 03:50:42 am
I've looked at the up sides and the down sides of having wings. Yes, there will be problems, but think of the possibilties! New maps could be made! Ones with floating islands, flying obstical courses, and so much more! Yes, I do agree that lag will increase, more glitches will arise and such, but those can be fixed. And even without the wings, there will still be lag and crashes. Yes, trolling could go up, but that is why people have block buttons and mods. It could take away from the realisticness of Feral Heart, but as Shinigami said, it wasn't that realistic to begin with. But that is what makes Feral Heart unique. You can be realistic or just a plain sparkle char if you choose. Its individuality! And you can still make rps that don't allow wings. As someone said earlier, yes people would probably get obssesed with their wings.... But what about those 1/3 of people who don't want wings? They would probably join. There are also MANY people, who would still join and play with the wings. I would fall in that catagory. Wings are cool and all, but sometimes its fun to just be a normal wolf/lion. And remeber when the howl and roar came out? Sound Spam my friend. I would have never thought it could happen. Feral Heart went CRAZY with the howls and roars, creating little circles of obnoxous noise. But after awhile it died out, people got used to it, and stopped wigging out. I believe the same will happen with the wings. Granted it might take longer, but eventually people would grow bored with their obsessions. Thats the great thing about people sometimes, they change. And as someone else said, yes, this is a small voting pool. Maybe you could go into the plains or someother populated part of FH and ask people what they think? I personaly think that wings could open up many possiblities in imagination and creativity. Granted there will be some bumbs along the road, but thats with all new things.  In the end, it is your decision Kovu. I cannot begin to imagine the pressure you feel, and I do not envy you. But in the end I must salute you, Kovu, this is some pretty amazing stuff you have here. No matter what you decide, I will respect your decision. To me, Feral Heart will be Feral Heart, no matter what.
Title: Re: Help KovuLKD: Wings or not?
Post by: hannah on December 20, 2011, 03:52:16 am
I do not understand people who think that there will no longer be realistic roleplay due to wings. People who want to roleplay realistically will still be able to make realistic characters and roleplay realistically.
It is simple, yes, we can create all the realistic roleplays we want, but no one would join because they would all be obsessed with their wings. No one would want to join a RP where wings are not allowed. And a RP is not a RP if you are doing it by yourself, now is it?
 yes,  but only some of my character would/should have them,  some people will chose to have them,  some will get tired of them after a while,  and some will keep them.. if they have realistic characters to begin with,  i can almost say definitely some will not use them much,  i do not see a reason to be largely hurt by this..  we don't own the game,  he is the sole owner.  meaning,  it is ultimately up to him to make this decision.  i think that some realistic RPs will stick around,  trust me.  please try not to be largely upset by me disagreeing with you,  but i have to.  it's just the way i am,  and i truly wish people would stop spamming kov's inbox,  i find it to be disrespectful,  at the amount it's coming in.. that's my opinion,  feel free to rage,  give me negative karma,  etc.  i don't really mind, and will stay by the side of FH's community,  no matter how many people act silly.  i also stay loyal to other games of it's type,  so don't expect me to be here 100%.
What does kovu's inbox have to do with what I said? And I also pointed out other issues, but the RP is the one that was brought up. there is also the Lag it will bring, the possible glitches and issues and bugs, the people that will use them to get out of being caught when doing something wrong.
And are you calling me silly for pointing out flaws with wings? I never said I despised them or do what those who want wings do and threaten to leave the game or saying the game will die off without them... so I don't see how I'm the one being silly. I even said I wouldn't mind too badly if they were implemented WELL.
And I know he owns the game, I'm not trying to make him not implement them if he wants to implement them, they were already announced, and I agree with Sameth, if this is changed, some people are going to get REALLY Butthurt, but I'm just trying to show why I think this way to people who do not understand or refuse to see how wings could have a negative effect.
And also, you don't have to disagree with me, especially not with a post that was just explaining why realistic RP's could dissappear if wings are implemented >.>
 it seems that you have miss understood what i said,  I NEVER meant to insult you personally,  or at all.  people will ALWAYS be butthurt when things change...  and why does it seem like you want to fight with me?  i do not,  and will not.
Title: Re: Help KovuLKD: Wings or not?
Post by: Kyugima on December 20, 2011, 04:04:02 am
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  it seems that you have miss understood what i said,  I NEVER meant to insult you personally,  or at all.  people will ALWAYS be butthurt when things change...  and why does it seem like you want to fight with me?  i do not,  and will not.
What in the world gave you the idea I want to fight you? Sure, I didn't sugar coat my words with sorries and no offenses and don't be upsets, but I had no reason to because I wasn't saying anything truly terrible. I pointed out my opinion, defended it where neccessary, and defended myself when I thought you insulted me. No fight, just a response

And in this post I do have to say I'm sorry if I sounded harsh, because I have seen people who say "stop fighting!" and "no flaming!" when there was no issue to begin with, and it truly peeves me off. It's like, the second you respond to what someone has said you are starting a fight. I understand if the only thing said is insults, or just plain out right rude and demeaning, yes, that needs to be stopped, but none of that happened here, so no fight.
Title: Re: Help KovuLKD: Wings or not?
Post by: RebelFlag on December 20, 2011, 05:25:47 am
     First off I'd like to say that I'm not voting in favor of the wings. I don't want this to sound like I'm completely bashing them but in reality i guess i am. At least it sounds like that having reared what i typed.
  
     I had no clue there was even a vote going on about this topic until one of my friends came to me IG(in game) & told me i needed to look at the forums. I hear a lot of talk about Kovu needing to go IG so he can see how many more people would vote in favor of having wings over the ones that don't. Those of you that say that need to realize there isn't as much truth to that statement as you may think. This past week I've been randomly chatting in general & asking people what they think about the new wing change. To my surprise out of everyone that was in the conversation, only a handful voted for the wings. Most voting yes replied that they were only doing it to stop people from complaining about getting wings. It wasn't because they necessarily wanted them. But, today when i asked again most voted towards having wings. I honestly don't think that having Kovu go IG will give him any different results than the ones you already see here. Every group of people seem to vote differently depending on what time/day you ask. Lets face it, not even everyone knows this voting is going on so how do you know that people will vote in favor of having wings? Though, if Kovu decided to do so id be interested in seeing the results.

     For those of you that think the realistic rps wont decrease your surely mistaking. Ive personally noticed what wings implemented in a game do to rps in general. Although IT has nothing to do with FH its a living example. Very rarely will you see a realistic rp; or any rp at that, due to the fact that people feel they must have all-powerful, unstoppable, winged characters. You say that it will calm down once people get use to them, i have yet to see people getting tired of their wings. But, this vote isn't about FH being a game built solely on realism. Yes the colors were added for creativity/individuality & you think the wings should be added to let your imagination blossom further. But tell me, whats more creative. Having wings equipped on your character or 'Imagining' your character having wings? It takes some serious creativity to allow yourself to give others the feeling that your character is soaring high above the clouds. Any person can RP a character that has pixel wings slapped on them. Its up to you to give others a vivid picture of your characters appearance. Creativity is a good tool if you know how to use it.

     When it comes to trolls & lag they are two different things. There should be no reason for us to have to ignore 'trolling'. I understand there is a block button but that's unfair for us to have to increase the usage of it just because people want to simulate flying. It's obvious some people think that FH is getting boring but why create something that's just going to add fuel to the already blazing fire? We need to think of ways to extinguish the flames instead of feeding them. Hunting would be the perfect alternative as well as other good activities that wouldn't give lead to 'trolling'. As far as the lag goes there's no way FH would remain lag-less if the wings were added. It doesn't matter how well the wings are made, your still going to experience lag at some point. Most people have a hard time with lag as it is. Due to this maybe instead of asking who wants wings we should first ask whose computers are strong enough to handle the extra lag. I know mine is but some others may not be as lucky. If wings were added & people found that their computers couldn't handle the extra lag I'm pretty sure there would be a lot more people complaining than the initial 1/3 of us that didn't want the wings in the first place. Lag is my most important concern, if the wings are successfully added & i remain lag free id have no problem with them. But like i said before, all computers have different lag limits. Is it worth angering the 1/3 that voted no, plus the people that have constant lag due to the changes? I'm pretty sure that 1/3 would quickly turn into 2/3rds.

   This is not a hate post by any means & ill still continue to be on FH regardless of what happens. After all, not everyone always gets what they want & i for one have learned to accept that over the years. But, that wont stop me from trying. You have a tough decision to make Kovu & I wish you the best of luck.
(p.s i'm sorry about the super long post but i had a lot to say xD)

Title: Re: Help KovuLKD: Wings or not?
Post by: Bornes on December 20, 2011, 06:28:27 am
If I were Kovu, I'd do whatever the most influential and vocal group wanted.

What's the majority opinion of those who spam your inbox? What's the majority opinion of those who seem really dedicated to the game?
That's the opinion you should listen to, because it is those people who will stay with your game the longest and support you the most. They're the people who seed your torrents and will likely give you donations/real money in the future. They are your long-staying users.


As for my personal opinion, I'd like to not have wings. But if we did have them, make them only for show. Don't allow flight or anything.
Title: Re: Help KovuLKD: Wings or not?
Post by: RebelFlag on December 20, 2011, 07:17:24 am
As for my personal opinion, I'd like to not have wings. But if we did have them, make them only for show. Don't allow flight or anything.

    Wow you know what I never thought of that. I think that's a really good idea. If they'd be only for show then we wouldn't have to worry about all the motion related lag. Though i have a feeling this still wont please them. Kudos to your idea.
Title: Re: Help KovuLKD: Wings or not?
Post by: Bornes on December 20, 2011, 07:40:42 am

    Wow you know what I never thought of that. I think that's a really good idea. If they'd be only for show then we wouldn't have to worry about all the motion related lag. Though i have a feeling this still wont please them. Kudos to your idea.
It'd solve a lot of potential problems. I'm honestly kind of surprised everyone made the jump that wings meant extra abilities to begin with.
But then again, I come from IMVU so my views are a bit different regarding a game like this.

Anyway, thank you. It's good to know my ideas are good for something. xP
Title: Re: Help KovuLKD: Wings or not?
Post by: Kyugima on December 20, 2011, 07:48:01 am
Actually, the wings without the ability to fly has been brought up before, but I think it was concluded that when you put in wings without the ability to fly, the next step is people complaining about how they can't fly, and nothing would have really changed, other than people are no longer complaining about wings but about how useless they are XDDD
Title: Re: Help KovuLKD: Wings or not?
Post by: Password on December 20, 2011, 10:30:46 am
Maybe wings could be added for a certian period of time, just for a trial run to see peoples reactions, and see if it all goes down well. If not then simply remove the wings. Personally I would like wings to be added, it would be a new fun experience. So just a suggestion X3
Title: Re: Help KovuLKD: Wings or not?
Post by: GhostingHowl on December 20, 2011, 01:01:11 pm
One of the only characters Ive ever made has wings. So I'd be happy if he added them. Selfish, but whatevs. You could flip that and say people are selfish for not wanting wings in even though some people's characters are meant to have wings. Im not saying people are selfish, just rambling really.

Also, I can see how realistic roleplays will lower, but they aren't going to die out, that's for sure. And adding wings would open up new realms of role-playing opportunities. Realistic gryphon roleplays anyone?! (lol 'realistic' gryphons)

Also I'm glad someone brought up the people who aren't on the forums. I can guarantee a TON more people would vote in favor of wings if they knew about the pole. Ah the poor ignorant majority.

Anyways honestly I just want to make pretty wing presets :I
Title: Re: Help KovuLKD: Wings or not?
Post by: Redlinelies on December 20, 2011, 01:19:25 pm
After watching a few replies on this thread I think I should probably add a few bits to the discussion.

I have to plain out agree with Sameth when it comes to the wings though. They have been close to promised to be implemented into the game, taking that away now wouldn't make any more happy, nor would it really be fair to these users really looking forward to them. To me, this does sound like a well enough reason already to keep following up with the plan and add them to the game.

A wise person told me not too long ago that if wings are made, why not make it for looks only?(Similar to Bornes post). They also said that having a physics engine that prevents you from walking up mountain walls etc would loose it's purpose since you'd just be able to fly to places you were not meant to be in the first place, and I agree on this as well. <--That however WILL loose the sparkle to the wings in some peoples eyes, why? Because not everyone playing the game will use/want the wings because they look pretty or because it would be more suitable for their made up dragon char, they want it to actually be able to fly around and maybe even get to these odd places you regularly can't.

This whole wing subject is certainly something that will not please everyone, but there's not many things that does either.

To share my actual opinion, no. I do not wish for wings. I find them extremely out of place if they'd be added into FH, but also(This is not to be mean), experiences from IT gives me the feel of that users flying around with wings or does wear wings always see themselves as more important for some reason, or the fact that new uses fly around like complete spazzes thinking it's the best thing since buttered bread, and these are usually not the users that would be ok with just "having" wings, not the actual fly function.

Though.. What is the fun part in having a car without the keys aye?

Thing is, if I'm going to look on a more general aspect of the wings and this community, I really do think it should be added, and this is not only because it were announced a while back. FH pretty much need any interesting content or ideas that are up for grasp. If this game is going to be more fun, interesting and entertaining for the average user, then we wouldn't want to miss up or something like this. As mentioned before, possibilities would be opened up to a new level inside the game, and even though I do not like some of the things that will most likely arrive with these wings, it will even out and be for the better cause me alone is not the community.

True supporters of the game that logs on the game as much as they can will not walk away because of a thing like wings being added, they will still be able to be who they want to be and play the way they want to as well, while on the other side, new users arriving might find them one of the reasons why they like the game. I think this will be like a progress of wearing into a pair of new shoes, so I'd say give them ze wingz.

This might be trailing off the topic slightly, but I do believe the game could always be modified to make this whole wing idea better if something turns out bad.

Lets think general questions that might arrive?

I want to make a map that has hills and mountains you must climb up a certain way, or platforms I do not wish people to fly to, but now they can just equip wings and fly there *ubersadface*

Why not make a map maker function that lets you allow flying with wings, or deny flying with wings? It's the user made map after all.

Flying with wings gives some users unfair advantage *ubersadface*

Why not introduce a stamina bar into the game along with removing the auto run and use a sprinting like in most games. Winged characters will not be able to sprint, while others without will be able to run faster. It shouldn't be something hard to put into the game if hunting was added. Kov even though about adding a "dash" function? I assume this is for the wingless characters.

If time and thought is placed into things, this wings situation will not kill anyone, and there's so much more that can be done with them. As long as you kov want to actually make them it should get it's own lil place inside the game, even though I plain out wouldn't want to wear them.
Title: Re: Help KovuLKD: Wings or not?
Post by: Spinkyheart on December 20, 2011, 06:45:08 pm
hello,

I would love it if they could fly, because whats the point if they don't do anything?
Please look and see if you can make them fly.  ;)
I would not be happy if you did not do this, but what can I do about it? :'(
Title: Re: Help KovuLKD: Wings or not?
Post by: catwarrior on December 20, 2011, 06:53:45 pm
I agree with people who say, wings'll be flaming when their out, die down a little 5-6 months after or so(if that darn game lasts  that  long XD), and will be like an ancient thingy after 7-8  months or a year. ( IT VARIES, THIS IS NOT EXACT) Quote me, critisize me,  approve me, do whatever ya want except what's against the rules to me. I will NOTsway my decision.
Title: Re: Help KovuLKD: Wings or not?
Post by: Bornes on December 20, 2011, 10:05:00 pm
Why not introduce a stamina bar into the game along with removing the auto run and use a sprinting like in most games. Winged characters will not be able to sprint, while others without will be able to run faster. It shouldn't be something hard to put into the game if hunting was added. Kov even though about adding a "dash" function? I assume this is for the wingless characters.
I disagree with this. Only because the way the maps are right now, everything is so spaced out and it is very time-consuming to get to the portals, even with auto-run. Introducing a stamina bar would just make it more difficult for everyone involved. Unless there's also a 'teleport from this spot/map immediately to this other spot/map' function, adding a stamina bar or something similar would be very aggravating.

But I suppose that's a barrel of apples for another thread.

EDIT:
I mean I know about the 'home' function, but I'm talking about a feature which allows you to go anywhere in the world/to any portal. Maybe adding a limit like 'you must have walked there at least once before you can teleport there' would be good. But just the home function with one location isn't good enough [for me].
Title: Re: Help KovuLKD: Wings or not?
Post by: akarVSkage on December 20, 2011, 11:00:01 pm
okay i have replied this already but let me give reasons: first people like the high trees to climb into wings make them easier to get into them. now if someone wants to start a wingless rp they can write in the advertisement that you have to be wingless but people who have dagon chars would help the imagination of the dragon. if one person rps unfairly with wings you could just block or ignore them personaly i REALY want wings ive been looking for mmorg games that i can fly in wings in fh will give me no reason to look any further! theres ALWAYs going to be people who disogree but at least they are able to be optional. something about a flying wolf or feline is unique and can let there imagination run wild.
Title: Re: Help KovuLKD: Wings or not?
Post by: FoxiePlushie on December 20, 2011, 11:45:38 pm

Lets think general questions that might arrive?

I want to make a map that has hills and mountains you must climb up a certain way, or platforms I do not wish people to fly to, but now they can just equip wings and fly there *ubersadface*

Why not make a map maker function that lets you allow flying with wings, or deny flying with wings? It's the user made map after all.

Flying with wings gives some users unfair advantage *ubersadface*

Why not introduce a stamina bar into the game along with removing the auto run and use a sprinting like in most games. Winged characters will not be able to sprint, while others without will be able to run faster. It shouldn't be something hard to put into the game if hunting was added. Kov even though about adding a "dash" function? I assume this is for the wingless characters.


I completely agree with the map maker thing.  This way people can have realistic rps without some random person coming in and deciding to fly.  And I have thought of the stanima bar before, but I've never really liked it. If you ever played on WolfQuest you would probably know what I mean. Once you run out of stanima, everything is SOOO slow.  I can't stand that, and I end up yelling at my character to run faster. But what if there was just a stanima bar on the dash? You could sprint for a bit, then have to run until it builds back up.  It could help out with the problem of having a spaced out map.  It is also somewhat realistic. A wolf can sprint for a little while, but it can run at a pace for a very long time. (Just had a thought, if you ment just having a stanima bar on the sprinting, then ok. I took it as having a stanima bar on the entire running thing itself. Aka, once you run out of stanima, you have to walk. Forgive me if that is not what you ment. I was just making a point.)
Title: Re: Help KovuLKD: Wings or not?
Post by: aelitastar on December 21, 2011, 01:16:01 am
i am coming back to FH soon, probably in about three months, and i personally say leave wings for the IT games, there would be to many winged warrior cat rps to ._." imagine this guys:


WARRIOR CAT RP! WINGS ONLY! COME SEE WINGSTAR AT THE (insert place here) TO JOIN.


wouldn't that be annoying? im fine with the hunting and items though.
Title: Re: Help KovuLKD: Wings or not?
Post by: Redlinelies on December 21, 2011, 01:23:04 am
Just to point things out, the stamina bar I had in mind would regenerate like most fairly quickly, ofcourse not stay down completely forcing you to wait for ages or drink water or whatever, it was just a quick idea to make it seem more fair to the whole users not having wings and those not having since the users with wings would not be able to sprint with those massive things on them. If you want to use this whole "Aww, I dun wan runz" there's not much I can say though, I understand if you'd want to get to a place like cape faster, and possibly that the maps are big empty places might be a reason why users would want to get to a certain spot faster.

But I really do not see what the deal would be just because your stamina bar would run low after a longer running session that would require users to walk/sit down for a few seconds to regenerate it. Letting a user teleport freely is a big no in my eyes though, when you're forced to run you actually have something to do between wherever you are going, this is starting to sound plain out lazy to me if you would be free to just teleport around in the world, and the point about actually having future interesting maps with locations to run by would die completely.

As mentioned, this was just a quick idea of a potential follow up solution in the future though that would also be fun to have. But even out the advantages that wings would give. xD

Non the less I really think wings should be added to the game, and then the game could be played around with to make the wings suit more to the rest of the players to please most, and smaller ideas are certainly what would help this.
Title: Re: Help KovuLKD: Wings or not?
Post by: WarriorMoo on December 21, 2011, 02:25:42 am
*Clicks the "Yes" button*

Particularly, I'm for wings. The wings add creativity for the character, and hey, it's already been announced.
So, why not?

I'm gonna stick to it and go along with Red's idea;
If you're gonna get wings, you're gonna have to exchange it for something, atleast.
Title: Re: Help KovuLKD: Wings or not?
Post by: Alfred on December 21, 2011, 06:02:05 am
Both have advantages and disadvantages.But i think Wings have some good one.It is really helpful to create a huge change to FH's look and feel.
Title: Re: Help KovuLKD: Wings or not?
Post by: fhamanda22 on December 21, 2011, 07:10:47 am
I really think Kovu should make wings, because FeralHeart has gotten boring without them. And my comp wont let me log into IW no matter what. And besides, whoever doesn't like them dont need to use them, and everyone will be happy :)

Did you NOT read what i said in reply to the last person who said that kind of thing? It's not something you can just ignore and be happy with, whether you use wings or not, it still affects you greatly. Lag, glitches, a lack of RP, trolls who get away with things by flying off before you can do anything about them.

Realistic RPs may go down. But once people start to get over the fact that there are wings, the excitement will wear down. I'm kind of neutral over the whole wing situation. I would love to be able to fly around :) but as Kyugima said, trolls, lag, and glitches.
Title: Re: Help KovuLKD: Wings or not?
Post by: Mirag on December 21, 2011, 10:49:25 am
I don't need wings. Game turn into a child's fantasy!. Yes, I love sky. But I need REAL lion simulator
Title: Re: Help KovuLKD: Wings or not?
Post by: Otterfrost on December 21, 2011, 12:44:47 pm
Why not temporarily put wings into the game to see if the users like it or not, then remove them if there are too many complaints/bugs/something else negative?
Title: Re: Help KovuLKD: Wings or not?
Post by: Spinkyheart on December 21, 2011, 05:05:53 pm
 Hello,

I am really looking forward to having wings so we can fly, but if we only have the wings not to fly that is fine. I really like the idea of having them. Whenn are you going to put them on?
Title: Re: Help KovuLKD: Wings or not?
Post by: Pein on December 21, 2011, 05:18:19 pm
I'd say you should go ahead and put wings into the game. The 1/3 of the people aren't really being forced to use them, and they can ignore others using wings, so... If I was you, I'd go ahead. Just my opinion.

  The 1/3 of us also know that, and also know it isn't as simple as ignoring the wings. Realistic RP's will be thrown out the window because everyone will be obsessed with their wings, it will be harder to catch those doing wrong because they will just fly off, or troll from the air. God modding and power playing will rise because everyone will just fly off. Lag would probably increase, and so would glitches and bugs if they aren't done right.

  Just wanted to point those points out. Personally I don't want to see FH turn into just a prettified IT, and there are going to be heaps of hassles with wings ingame. Yes, I do know that the majority want wings, but saying we can just put up with it and ignore it isn't right, because there might be good reasons we don't want wings ingame.

~~~~

@ KovuLKD

  I can put up with wings if they are implemented well, and only then. Wings are a huge thing to add, and would bring more issues and glitches along with them. Adding wings would probably increase the amount of lag ingame, and with some people already crashing due to lag, it might not be such a swell idea if they are not implemented right. Most of my points are covered in retaliation to the person who said we should put up with wings. Most you wouldn't really care about either. The main things I worry about are lagging and glitches.


I agree completely.
Title: Re: Help KovuLKD: Wings or not?
Post by: razmirz on December 21, 2011, 05:27:07 pm
Somewhere between the two extremes:

I still believe the idea of decorative wings should be looked at more seriously I'm fairly sure peoples beef with the wings is the lions flying all over the place even into areas of maps they were never intended to visit. People want wings to better represent their characters and i see no harm in that. But having wings is one things being able to fly is something else that i feel should be considered separately.


Raz
Title: Re: Help KovuLKD: Wings or not?
Post by: GaaraRocks! on December 21, 2011, 05:31:02 pm
well to be honest it might be better for you to just add the wings in. Im not that fond of the wings idea but its also not fair on the people that actually wanted the wings in. I prefer realism over fantasy type things. Thats why my maps are on the realistic side and never on the fantasy side. I personally wont use the wings, but other people will. So for me im pretty much 50 50.
Title: Re: Help KovuLKD: Wings or not?
Post by: FoxXIII on December 21, 2011, 05:35:45 pm
If wings are going to cause more problems for ther server than there already are? No.
If the lag and server crashes will be fixed BEFORE wings are added? Go for it.
That's my view on the subject 8I
Title: Re: Help KovuLKD: Wings or not?
Post by: wolfgrrl13 on December 21, 2011, 05:45:52 pm
I'm not so sure if I would like wings.  I wouldn't be upset if you do add them, but it would be annoying trying to find a realistic, non-wing rp.  My opinion is that powerplaying or god-modding will rise and that would just tick me off.  But I say it's all up to you KovuLKD.  I voted no, but that's just my opinion.
Title: Re: Help KovuLKD: Wings or not?
Post by: catwarrior on December 21, 2011, 05:57:15 pm
Like one other user said, "......if you do add wings, the 1/3 is the people who didn't want wings in the first place, (example) when/or if they are added. If you DON'T add wings, it'd be 2/3(angry for no wings) + the 1/3 (didn't want wings anyways), would be 3/3, and that's not good for the game's popularity. (which 3/3 is the whole darn game here!) Get my point?  8)
Title: Re: Help KovuLKD: Wings or not?
Post by: Tearless on December 21, 2011, 07:14:18 pm
I'm generally in agreement with those suggesting you go with the majority. Otherwise, honestly, what's the point of having a vote? Either way someone's going to be unhappy about something, and I feel like there will be less complaining in the long run if wings are added, even if they're simply decorative as suggested above. The 1/3 may be bothered for a while, but it's probably going to end up like the howl/roar issue. A vast majority wanted it, people complained for a while when we finally got it, but then people got used to it, stopped using it into the ground, and now it's just one more cool feature in the game. Yes, at first there will probably be a grand onslaught of winged animals everywhere, but I don't think ground-bound characters will go away. I know most of my characters were designed not to have wings, and I wouldn't start slapping them on everything just because they're there. Can't speak for everyone, of course, but I don't think it'll be as bad as everyone's predicting. Not for very long, at least.  

Bottom line: It's majority vote, and most resulting belligerence and/or chaos will be temporary. Go for it.
Title: Re: Help KovuLKD: Wings or not?
Post by: CelyonHana on December 21, 2011, 07:35:56 pm
I agree with Raz.

I'm not a person whichs good with programing and the coordination of games and stuff. But I think the server maybe will be overloaded. If it's laggy now. How it will be if everyone would fly? o,o
I'm not sure 'bout it..
Wings for decoration is okie, I think. Would be cool for RP's with angels &' demon. I like.
I'm not sure - but shouldn't FH be more realistic as IT was?
I think it would work with both.
I'ma one which more plays demon/angel rps. And for my kind, it would be nice to have wings. :3
 
Title: Re: Help KovuLKD: Wings or not?
Post by: ringoluver on December 21, 2011, 08:30:19 pm
I'm going to have to vote no. As many others have said, realism in rps will fly out the window, and I know people are going to start fighting over if winged characters are better or non-winged. Personally if I were you, I would add something that EVERYONE wants, like prey. Maybe one or two people here or there will be afraid of prey lag, but there's no prey-haters as far as I know. There are, however, plenty of wing-haters. I would just not add something that controversial to the game.
Title: Re: Help KovuLKD: Wings or not?
Post by: Dunstan26 on December 21, 2011, 09:07:23 pm
I would love for the wings to be added, and atm the poll is Yes 53 (52.5%) No 48 (47.5%) Yes only 101 people have voted, but MAYBE if wings were added, there wouldn't be so much lag. MAYBE realism wouldn't fly out the window. Yes maybe we shouldn't add wings. Maybe we should add more things instead. But think about everyone who wants wings SO bad. They'll be upset and mad at Kovu if they weren't added. I don't really put up a good arguement but yeah posting mah thoughts =P I would also LOVE hunting to be added cuz there arent any hunt-haters =P idk what else I was gonna say x3
Title: Re: Help KovuLKD: Wings or not?
Post by: Toru on December 21, 2011, 11:06:50 pm
Title: Re: Help KovuLKD: Wings or not?
Post by: JazzForLife on December 22, 2011, 12:25:13 am
I'd have to agee with Ringo.

There are pros and cons, as people have stated, for both sides. It'll just be another thing to fight over. I've heard opinions from both sides; some people saying they'll quit the game if wings are added and others would rejoice if they are added. I really wouldn't mind either way. Except for exploring maps, it would ruin the fun if you could fly up to stuff that you're supposed to jump up to. It's not that bad, just not as fun. I could say it would increase god modding by being able to fly away, but lets face it, god modding isn't going anywhere. I'd have to say no.

But it would let you make some awesome presets.
Title: Re: Help KovuLKD: Wings or not?
Post by: WarriorMoo on December 22, 2011, 01:41:41 am
Oh, this seems like a great topic to debate.
I'mma just put a few easy solutions here, or why I agree with the addition of wings and flight.

This is gonna be juicy!~
Oh, and forgive me if I offend anyone or anything. This is all based off my opinion and solution strategy, so don't take it personally. :)
Anyways,
I'm pretty glad that Kov here is actually taking the time to see our opinions for a final decision. Wings or no wings?
Thanks, Kov :)

Now then, allow me to explain the situation. Wings were something that we had VERY early in Impressive Title,
and I'm talking EARLY.
Before we had hunting, markings, items, moonwalks, even before usernames.
And nobody had a problem with that.
Now, I do understand that FeralHeart, successor of Impressive Title, has been out for a year now, and still does not have wings.

I guess what I don't understand the what the big deal is over adding wings to FeralHeart when Impressive Title had them since...Summer of 2008? (Granted IT came out around the same time.)
People say it makes trolls get away easier.
Simple, just snap a screenshot with the Print Screen button and report them on the forum before they hightail it outta there. :)

Others say it will be hard to find realistic roleplays.
I'm afraid that's already out of the question; There is a pleuthora of pink and green lions in Bonfire Island alone.
I'm gonna go with another suggestion here, so don't give me credit for this;
Just give it a trial for a couple days, and see how the players like it?

You never know unless you try. :)

Okay, I have said enough.

EDIT: Oh yeah, Godmodding.
Same with realistic roleplays; that is already, and has always been, out of the question.
Godmodding, unfortenately, was born with roleplaying; and with roleplaying, we've all godmodded atleast ONCE in our experience.
Title: Re: Help KovuLKD: Wings or not?
Post by: Kyugima on December 22, 2011, 04:45:47 am
Simple, just snap a screenshot with the Print Screen button and report them on the forum before they hightail it outta there. :)

People actually already have a hard enough time snapping them now. I've gotten a couple where people haven't been able to get screenshots because the other high tailed it out of there.

Others say it will be hard to find realistic roleplays.
I'm afraid that's already out of the question; There is a pleuthora of pink and green lions in Bonfire Island alone.

We mean that there will be an influx of winged RP's, and almost nothing else will be able to be seen. Some of you have pointed out that this will calm down, but if I recall, someone posted earlier explaining that IT has had this issue of mostly winged RP's, and it was out for how long? And that was right at the beginning, people weren't craving wings desperatly. Now that they are begging and complaining, and they finally get it... It will be wingapocalypse. everything will be drowned out with their winged RPs. And I see enough Realistic RP's to know they are around, you just need to search outside of Bonfire, and you can find them. But almost no one will join them once wings come, because they have their  "WINGS!!!!!!1!1!"
Title: Re: Help KovuLKD: Wings or not?
Post by: Jitters on December 22, 2011, 06:57:47 am
I wanna bring up a point I've been mulling over since I've seen some of the responses on map exploration.

Many people are saying this will ruin the fun of exploring maps. As a map-maker I decided to ponder this issue a little, on how it would truly effect my maps. After some time and thought I realized that this wouldn't really be a huge disaster for me, but a major advantage. The reason behind this is because I will have to put MORE thought into my maps. How can I make a map both winged and non-winged people will enjoy? Sure people can fly up to high places...but maps are not all about obstacles in the air, or jumping platform to platform. How will wings help a character in an underground maze? If there were underwater secrets, what will wings be helping? If I put a lot of interesting things on the ground, then wings wouldn't help. Sure they can skip any climbing obstacles, get to mountains and such....but they certainly ruin the fun of walking cloud to cloud on a rainbow bridge.

So no, map exploration is not threatened by wings. I'm going to have to say wings would make us all better map makers, better planners.

So as a map maker, I say BRING IT ON!
Title: Re: Help KovuLKD: Wings or not?
Post by: lol_lions on December 22, 2011, 08:06:45 am
I would add wings, but have them scale-able, so that you can have tiny wings if you want, and they wont get in the way of your camera angle. Besides, wings are quite helpful, Heres how
1. Able to get in high places.
2. Able to make dragons, but even better.
3. Able to explore your custom map in new ways.
5. Opens up a window of possibilitys, including markings for the wings.
6. more coding pactice!
7.Faster speed, Perhaps?
But heres the cons..
1. Realistic roleplays will be more scarce.
2. Wings getting in the way of camera angles and veiws.
3. People can get up in very hard to see places and do some....Bad things.
4. More sparkledogs and glittercats that we dont really need....
5. Crazy winged mate beggers flying around and harrassing everyone.
6. Trolls using wings to fly high up in the sky so you cant see em.
So, Theres pros and cons, I would say add them, it does add a whole new window to FeralHeart, and, if feralheart doesnt get something big, im afraid everyone will leave to Arokai.
Title: Re: Help KovuLKD: Wings or not?
Post by: ZombieKitteh on December 22, 2011, 09:58:45 am
I'm all for wings, it'd make preset making 20% cooler. (Did you see what I did thur? o;) Like everyone has said, you wont ever please everyone and someone will always end up being annoyed in the end.

My only request however is this~ You've fixed a majority of glitches in the game recently. Sure it's alggier and I can't multi-client in both of my roleplays now.. but it's nice not having to remake my 60+ group every few days. You've gotten rid of the biggest glitches, please, please I beg you, don't create anymore. Before releasing them, make sure they work 110% and that the patch wont mess up our FH like the recent one had so many troubles.

So yes if you can garuntee they'll work, wont create major glitches/crashing and make sure the patch is set up correctly, I approve. c:
Title: Re: Help KovuLKD: Wings or not?
Post by: Xbox on December 22, 2011, 10:27:47 am
I think you should add wings because since Arokai is coming out your gonna lose quite a few players because of the limitations in this game. Why not make a cool place where that 1 3rd of people can hang out and winged wolves and lions aren't allowed to go. I dunno. Just my opinion.
Title: Re: Help KovuLKD: Wings or not?
Post by: Ramine on December 22, 2011, 09:31:27 pm
I'd love to fly around and stuff but as Jazzz said, exploring maps wouldn't be that exiting anymore.. D:
Plus the lag and the amount of players quitting, I have plenty of friends who'll leave just because of wings.
It's a shame..
On the other hand, it would bring back a part of Impressive Title. Some are thrilled, others not so much.

I'll be voting no..
Title: Re: Help KovuLKD: Wings or not?
Post by: Slydragon99 on December 22, 2011, 10:00:56 pm
I do belive FH should have wings. The poeple who dont simply want wings have the option to not use them. And heres a question; Would you have different kinds of wings that we could chose from (E.G Dragon, angel, owl, ETC) ? I belive if there are wings the people who dont want wings might want to use them with different options.

Overall it would be a really big improvement for FH. More players and more popularity! But in the end its either your choice, or even the players choice. I hope we can come to a good decision.


~Sly
Title: Re: Help KovuLKD: Wings or not?
Post by: Kyugima on December 22, 2011, 10:07:56 pm
I do belive FH should have wings. The poeple who dont simply want wings have the option to not use them. And heres a question; Would you have different kinds of wings that we could chose from (E.G Dragon, angel, owl, ETC) ? I belive if there are wings the people who dont want wings might want to use them with different options.

Overall it would be a really big improvement for FH. More players and more popularity! But in the end its either your choice, or even the players choice. I hope we can come to a good decision.


~Sly

I don't know how many people are going to continue to say we can just ignore the waings after everything I have said, and I'm about to give up on explaining WHY we can't just ignore wings because you all just ignore anything I say as to why that is wrong.

We can't just ignore wings and not use them, because there will be issues that affect even those WITHOUT wings. It's not that we don't thing they are pretty or whatever, although that may be others opinions, it is the issues that come with wings we mostly worry about! Ignoring wings most CERTAINTLY won't make those go away!
Title: Re: Help KovuLKD: Wings or not?
Post by: Silentstep on December 22, 2011, 10:40:39 pm
(Le gasp, Kovu is back.)

On-topic, I think you should add wings. If someone doesn't like wings, they don't have to use them. Or maybe, you can implement a dimension-style thing with one side that allows wings, and the other side that doesn't.
Title: Re: Help KovuLKD: Wings or not?
Post by: CaribouStag on December 22, 2011, 11:15:11 pm
I've been stalking this thread for a little while, and I think it's about time I said something.

Wings have obvious pros, and obvious cons, which many people have stated.
But wings taking the fun out of map exploring?
Nah, that's silly.
As Sameth pointed out, map-makers would have to innovate and think how their maps could please everyone.
Moving on to the topic of declining realistic roleplays, I know for certain I won't be giving them up. I might even try for a realistic winged roleplay, that would be interesting. Sort of an oxymoron, but...Anyway.

 I, for one, voted yes for wings.
Title: Re: Help KovuLKD: Wings or not?
Post by: Slydragon99 on December 22, 2011, 11:23:26 pm
I just still hope we get to picking a sensable conclusion.....Ugh.
Title: Re: Help KovuLKD: Wings or not?
Post by: Blaze on December 23, 2011, 12:01:51 am
It isn't our choice if there is wings or not. It's YOUR choice! I, myself, WOULD LOVE TO HAVE WINGS IN THE GAME jkghjgfdg -- but seriously, work comes before play.

Think of the good uses of wings:

1) dragons/pegasi/winged wolves/etc RPs would make much sense
2) FH will be funner! 8DDDD

Think of all the bad uses of wings:

1) more lag, more glitch
2) more trolls trolling Bonfire -.-
3) more godmodding (etc: Me: *growls and bites* Person: *flies away and dodges*)

That's all I have, but as you can see, there are more "cons" then "pros". That means, even though it sounds fun and exciting, FH's community would get worse with MORE rants and complaints.


Sorry for sounding adult-ish :S

EDIT: Myeh, if I said something someone said before, that's because I was looking at the first page >.<
Title: Re: Help KovuLKD: Wings or not?
Post by: Spinkyheart on December 23, 2011, 06:09:34 pm
 ;D ;D ;D

I was wondering when you were thinking of puting the wings on.

:):)
Title: Re: Help KovuLKD: Wings or not?
Post by: akarVSkage on December 23, 2011, 07:46:46 pm
wen are you puting wings on? (if you do) bc i realy want wings bad!! i mean its all ur choice but im dieing without them D8
Title: Re: Help KovuLKD: Wings or not?
Post by: Pein on December 23, 2011, 08:10:43 pm
Currently it hasn't been decided yet, as you can see.
Title: Re: Help KovuLKD: Wings or not?
Post by: Kiyoi on December 23, 2011, 09:51:28 pm
i personally don't care if you do put wings in, just do what you think is right, and if that means putting wings in and upsetting more than 1/3 of the FH population, then so be it...
Title: Re: Help KovuLKD: Wings or not?
Post by: Zodiac on December 24, 2011, 02:46:42 am
I vote yes. Stated above somewhere, dem players who don't want wings don't have to use them.
Also, I want to make my dream owl 8D
Title: Re: Help KovuLKD: Wings or not?
Post by: Kyugima on December 24, 2011, 02:52:43 am
I vote yes. Stated above, dem players who don't want wings don't have to use them.
Also, I want to make my dream owl 8D

I don't know how many people are going to continue to say we can just ignore the waings after everything I have said, and I'm about to give up on explaining WHY we can't just ignore wings because you all just ignore anything I say as to why that is wrong.

We can't just ignore wings and not use them, because there will be issues that affect even those WITHOUT wings. It's not that we don't thing they are pretty or whatever, although that may be others opinions, it is the issues that come with wings we mostly worry about! Ignoring wings most CERTAINTLY won't make those go away!
Title: Re: Help KovuLKD: Wings or not?
Post by: HowlStar on December 24, 2011, 04:16:03 am
I voted yes, even though I wouldn't use them too much (maybe on one or two chars) A lot of people want wings and they were probably super excited when they heard that they would be added. I cant say anything about Impressive Title right here, as I haven't played it.

Those who do not want wings, however, were probably annoyed when you announced it. When/(well now "if") wings are added, they may be annoyed or angry to some extent. Some of them may learn to tolerate wings, because obviously, if they're added, many people will have them when you log on. As for those who will not deal with wings, well, I'm not sure what they will do. You can't really ignore winged characters, especially if they are power playing/god modding others. (I'm not saying that every person with wings will start bullying those without wings)

I personally don't care if you add them or not, Feral-Heart is fun either way, but how long ago did you say they would be added? About 4 or 5 months ago? You can't go back on it now. People already are hoping for them (or not) and if you go back on it now they might be angry or disappointed about it. And, Im not trying to sound mean or anything, but you don't really have the best reputation around the forums and such. Just saying...
Title: Re: Help KovuLKD: Wings or not?
Post by: shadow1313 on December 24, 2011, 06:07:51 am
hey bro u poot out this voyeing for a reson  which in my prospective is to see by a magority vote if poeple want wings or not the magority sayd yes to wings so do what the voters say do u want to please 1/3 or 2/3 and thats a BIG diference ether way ur going to disapoint someone i say go with the magority vote thr people that voted no dont half to pay atention to the people with wings and u sayd that the hole point is to creat variaty and maybe one of my many personas is a demon wolf with WINGS or maybe its a lion with no wings i think u will be macking a good thing by having the wings (p.s. out of my one apinion i think u should add horns )
Title: Re: Help KovuLKD: Wings or not?
Post by: shadow1313 on December 24, 2011, 06:10:43 am
y did u poot a voteing thing for wings or not if ur not even going to go with  the votes
Title: Re: Help KovuLKD: Wings or not?
Post by: Jitters on December 24, 2011, 06:12:43 am
y did u poot a voteing thing for wings or not if ur not even going to go with  the votes

Because he wanted to see what the community thinks of the idea.
Title: Re: Help KovuLKD: Wings or not?
Post by: fhamanda22 on December 24, 2011, 09:06:21 pm
y did u poot a voteing thing for wings or not if ur not even going to go with  the votes

Because he wanted to see what the community thinks of the idea.

Exactly.
Title: Re: Help KovuLKD: Wings or not?
Post by: katt505 on December 25, 2011, 01:59:56 am
Hey, I dont know if this is the right place to say this, but I heard not only was FH getting wings, but items too. Is this true? Also, I personaly love the wings idea!!
Title: Re: Help KovuLKD: Wings or not?
Post by: HowlStar on December 25, 2011, 02:08:10 am
...I guess you said yes to wings xD. Almost everyone I saw had them.
Title: Re: Help KovuLKD: Wings or not?
Post by: Dubstep.Freak on December 25, 2011, 02:12:36 am
I say keep em' .. If people don't like it they can simply not have them, no? I personally love it, it does well with a lot of my fursonas (Such as my Bat/Snake fursona) and my new Kingdom RP. It opens new options, and sure.. I understand people are going on about how many 'nooblets' are flying around and what not, but hey! It's just like howl and roar, that phase of TONZ of flying creatures will slowly die down with due good time childrenz. c: Though.. if it becomes a huge problem.. Perhaps make a SEPERATE server in the near future, no?.. <o< .. So you'd have 2 as a result..~ c;
Title: Re: Help KovuLKD: Wings or not?
Post by: bluetigger on December 25, 2011, 10:24:59 am
I say do what you like, its your game that you made, you should choose what to add, but then again, making sure that people like it is good. I think wings would be good for the glitching mountains, so you don't have to run all the way up XD. And they are also bad, because the trollers can find non winged people and troll then dissapaer, It would be really hard on people. But other then that, I kind of like the wings seeing I only got to play IT for about a month, but that was ITreborn. The people who don't like them, they just have to put up with it and get over it one day. Adding items on would just cause havoc, losing the point of Rp, and the wings losing the point of realistic Rp, its so hard to decide what isn't it?
Title: Re: Help KovuLKD: Wings or not?
Post by: wolfgrrl13 on December 25, 2011, 04:47:17 pm
I say do what you like, its your game that you made, you should choose what to add, but then again, making sure that people like it is good. I think wings would be good for the glitching mountains, so you don't have to run all the way up XD. And they are also bad, because the trollers can find non winged people and troll then dissapaer, It would be really hard on people. But other then that, I kind of like the wings seeing I only got to play IT for about a month, but that was ITreborn. The people who don't like them, they just have to put up with it and get over it one day. Adding items on would just cause havoc, losing the point of Rp, and the wings losing the point of realistic Rp, its so hard to decide what isn't it?
The wings are already added, along with a Santa Hat.
Title: Re: Help KovuLKD: Wings or not?
Post by: Toru on December 25, 2011, 09:35:08 pm
Awesome, dude! Haha it really does seem like everyone is using them right now (I saw maybe... Five wingless characters). It was rather creative to add wings and a Santa hat item as a gift to everyone, and clearly they are being well enjoyed by most members.

My thanks to the staff for the gift. I'm going to go play around with wing presets for a bit now. Merry Christmas, everyone ;D
Title: Re: Help KovuLKD: Wings or not?
Post by: Blaze on December 25, 2011, 09:46:44 pm
*rubs eyes* is it, is it wings?

Wings? WINGS? *rubs eyes again*

He added wings! He did!

*faints* o.o
Title: Re: Help KovuLKD: Wings or not?
Post by: ringoluver on December 26, 2011, 01:33:15 am
I think it's safe to say this thread can be locked, since wings have been added.