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Due to recent events the questions about general chat have been brought up. Apparently there's a lot to say regarding this subject, so now the question goes out to the community.
What should the general chat should be used for, what's ok, and what isn't ok. Should it be meant for advertising roleplays? What exactly do you want to see there? We're interested in what you think.
Feel free to write personal views and opinions.
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I'm going to get straight to the point.
Here's what I think it should and shouldn't be used for:
Brief conversations. This is not to say stop chatting in general altogether. I think it's ok if you want to use General chat to ask questions to those who are listening, or to try to find the location of someone. Little things like this.
If you want to continue your conversation, find that user and then continue in the Local chat.
Dragging out a longwinded sob story about how your life sucks/how you can't get out of that rock/what you did today/what your dog is doing right now in my opinion isn't what General Chat should be used for.
Although on the other hand, sometimes you get caught up in something and it just gets carried out.
Advertising Roleplay. I believe this is ok also, since how else would you gather others to join you in a rp ingame? However there is a fine line between Advertising and spam I think. If you post a few times with a bit of time inbetween post it's ok, however if it's all in caps every second, it's not ok and I think it's spam.
Mate/pup/cub/family beggars also has a similar scenario to what I just explained, and I'd be just repeating myself.
I should also be noted that users should know when to stop advertising/asking. If no one responds, no one is interested. Don't continue to press on with it and maybe try again in half an hour/an hour or so.
Roleplay. No. Just no. Because some/most users do not want to know how your wolf howled at the moon, or how your lion mauled that giraffe. It just clogs up the chatbox. If you want to roleplay, stick to Local chat, Group chat or even your own map.
Vulgarities Ugh. This is a huge no. I don't want to get into what I've seen that's been said over the General chat. ranging from sexual things/rape to other gross TMI bodily functions. I'd rather not hear about something like that so publically. Once again, if you really must talk about your TMIs stick to whispers and group chats.
Arguments. If something comes up and causes a fight, don't slather it all over General Chat. No one wants to hear your swears, crude/petty remarks and all round rage at one another. This also just unpleasantly clogs the chatbox and should be taken into local or just take your argument out of the game and have it over email/PM/MSN/etc.
Bullying. Another huge no. I've seen on multiple occassions small handfuls of users pick on another player for various reasons. I guess this could also come under Trolling aswell.
And finally the big ones, Spam and Trolling.
(http://a.deviantart.net/avatars/f/f/ffplz.png) No no no no no no no. No.
I don't think I really have to explain this one. I'm pretty sure everyone has seen their fair share of spam and trolling in it's various shapes and forms in the General Chat.
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Oh, boy.
Well, for me General chat is just what it says: General. It can be for really anything; brief conversations, roleplay advertising, mate searching, and just whatever else. That is, assuming that what you want to use it for doesn't break the rules. For instance, it should definitely not be used for spamming, cursing, trolling, and all that other common bad stuff.
Honestly, I know there are some problems with General, but I think it's just fine the way it is. I mean sure, occasionally people break rules on it, but that's expected with any chat that covers a large area, like General in FH. If you want another example, Trade in World of Warcraft is often used as whatever people want, because you can view it in each of the five cities, therefore whatever anyone says in it can be viewed by a large number of people. Of course, Trade is meant for Trading but.. well, on my realm we say, "Trade never sleeps."
<Oh, a realm is like IT dimensions basically, if you're confused. :)>
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I'm going to get straight to the point.
Here's what I think it should and shouldn't be used for:
Brief conversations. This is not to say stop chatting in general altogether. I think it's ok if you want to use General chat to ask questions to those who are listening, or to try to find the location of someone. Little things like this.
If you want to continue your conversation, find that user and then continue in the Local chat.
Dragging out a longwinded sob story about how your life sucks/how you can't get out of that rock/what you did today/what your dog is doing right now in my opinion isn't what General Chat should be used for.
Although on the other hand, sometimes you get caught up in something and it just gets carried out.
Advertising Roleplay. I believe this is ok also, since how else would you gather others to join you in a rp ingame? However there is a fine line between Advertising and spam I think. If you post a few times with a bit of time inbetween post it's ok, however if it's all in caps every second, it's not ok and I think it's spam.
Mate/pup/cub/family beggars also has a similar scenario to what I just explained, and I'd be just repeating myself.
I should also be noted that users should know when to stop advertising/asking. If no one responds, no one is interested. Don't continue to press on with it and maybe try again in half an hour/an hour or so.
Roleplay. No. Just no. Because some/most users do not want to know how your wolf howled at the moon, or how your lion mauled that giraffe. It just clogs up the chatbox. If you want to roleplay, stick to Local chat, Group chat or even your own map.
Vulgarities Ugh. This is a huge no. I don't want to get into what I've seen that's been said over the General chat. ranging from sexual things/rape to other gross TMI bodily functions. I'd rather not hear about something like that so publically. Once again, if you really must talk about your TMIs stick to whispers and group chats.
Arguments. If something comes up and causes a fight, don't slather it all over General Chat. No one wants to hear your swears, crude/petty remarks and all round rage at one another. This also just unpleasantly clogs the chatbox and should be taken into local or just take your argument out of the game and have it over email/PM/MSN/etc.
Bullying. Another huge no. I've seen on multiple occassions small handfuls of users pick on another player for various reasons. I guess this could also come under Trolling aswell.
And finally the big ones, Spam and Trolling.
(http://a.deviantart.net/avatars/f/f/ffplz.png) No no no no no no no. No.
I don't think I really have to explain this one. I'm pretty sure everyone has seen their fair share of spam and trolling in it's various shapes and forms in the General Chat.
Pretty much took the words out of my mouth. ^^
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General had been fine, until one mod decided they wanted to toss around some power and "End the spam" which was so cluttering everyone else. I've never once seen anyone in-game complain about people talking to others across the map, telling people how their day went, discussing and debating across the map with others. I HAVE seen players complain about "I NEED A MATE" and the repeated every four seconds "JOIN MY PACK!" advertisements. But nothing is said to these members. Oh no. The ones who get busted are the ones that are intelligent enough to figure out where favoritism is played.
Will anything ever be done about it? Probably not. There's only one mod doing it, the one most others have a fore mentioned already. They will get off scott free, like they always did, even in IT. Why? Because the rest of the admins it seems are their friends, or at least they're trying to save one of their owns rears. I thought it might have been just me, just catching them on a bad day. Oh but with a little research, not the case. An older FH forum post has complaints about this same mod. DA journals complain about it. Other players I've encountered claim 75 to be the worst mod seen anywhere. I've always given people the benefit of the doubt, and overlooked it for a while. No longer however. There's too much working against them now. I've seen firsthand what they do, always showing off for their little friends. Other mods? No where to be seen, or the ones that are there sit in the background and just watch? And because they've been around for so long, every other admin just absolutely trusts their word and whatnot. Are you not seeing everything when he bans people for "Spamming" General? Do you not see how one person, someone who is a friend to this mod gets banned for a mere few hours or so, or just kicked? And the others? Banned. Days. Weeks. In my case, months. For disagreeing?
Sorry not to have much respect for people who can't show equal treatment to all players. You are an Admin, you're supposed to be there for us, make the community better. Not make us flippin' miserable 24/7 because our opinions aren't the same as yours. Thanks for that, aye? Is that hard to be talked down to, like a small child? When in fact you're acting like one at times. I don't get what happened, you used to handle things so nicely in FH, dealing with annoyances, not threatening/kicking/banning people over every word they say in a chat.
[General Chat. <--- General; involving, applicable to, or affecting the whole/concerned or dealing with universal rather than particular aspects/not confined by specialization or careful limitation/]
If you only wanted it for advertising, begging for mates/parents/ and whatever else anyone feels like screaming in all caps over the map, why not call it "Advertising Chat". Or make one for that purpose? Better yet, leave it alone maybe? Let General chat run as it always has? There has not been any major issues in the recent months with it. It wasn't until people started getting banned for talking in it. Some people are shy, they can't comfortably want to walk up to random strangers in local and talk. Whisper? How in the world would they know the username if they're all the way across the map, and not added? I know I don't add random requests most of the time, who's to say others don't either. Group chat? That could work, you know, if you were in that group.
General offers a link between the community, people meet, make friends, find out where everyone else is hanging in that chat. And you're now going to kill it off? Because you think it's too cluttered? So what of in a few months? WQ was a great game, still is. So long as you don't want to type out a decent sentence. FH going to be like that? Drive everyone away because one person got a little happy with the ability to throw people off a game. Ban people cursing? By all means, do so. Ban people creating lude conversations? Of course. But for stating your mind, offering up your own opinion? If they don't like it, you're eaten. Where are Kovu and Raz on this? I assumed they of all people would care if people were having issues with the mods. But since its their friend, or part of their "Team", there will likely be no retribution.
~Onai.
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I'm going to make this short, and simple.
General chat is on a chatbox. You CAN NOT tell people they can't chat on the most general chat. What if I decide I don't want to search everybody down just to talk to them? This is ridiculous, and I'm fully with Onai.
Oh my god, every few hours somebody spams general, call the police! This wouldn't be a problem if their were more god forsaken in game mods, who didn't randomly decided to create some unjust rules about it all. And hello mods, where even are you during all this? Yesterday the conversation was struck, Ritza started to explain, then all the sudden 75 comes in and tells everybody chatting is off limits on general because it's considered spam. Once again, a simple fix it to get rid of the people who spam, and make some more, rightous moderators to do that.
The end. That's all I'm saying, I've already said more on general. Which is indeed, the general chat, the same way the general roleplay forum is general.
-Killian
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Ok. In my opinion, it is a chatbox, and it is expected that people will chat on it. As long as it isn't bullying anyone or trolling/spamming etc. I'm okay with it. As I understand it, everything negative someone does on a chat fits into one of those three categories. I believe normal chat should be allowed, just not the spamming and such that causes these incidents. Just my opinion on the subject. ^_^
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Oh wonderful. A place to let out those feelings for General chat. Watch this topic go down in flames, but either way, I will contribute to my thoughts.
General is just, general. It's a place for any general type of topic, chat, and so on with these rambling topics. General was fine and dandy, and I enjoyed speaking to people in the public maps actually. But now, it's just sad. The community can start saying maybe three lines of chat to each other in general and they get banned for a week, a day, an hour, and even worse. We don't sometimes don't feel like chatting around and a new potential friend pops in to chat, but in Local people might stare at you and ask what you want. That can easily be taken as a hostile remark and make them leave when all they wish might be to join in and have some fun as well.
I personally can't deal with it, so I stick to private maps whispering to friends that aren't busy. I just can't stand going into a public map to talk with most others. I like making new friends on here, but I really can't now that someone decided to let the power go to their head and ban people for simply talking to each other. Some of those people may have met for the first time for goodness sake! SOME of us would like to actually meet new people and be their friends. I enjoy most of the people in our community, but now I can barely get on anymore from this. When I do, I sit there in the maps just waiting for something to pop up to show we can actually talk to each other without getting told off like we're three. And, if you don't like how it is, then why have it?
No one ever really said that it was made only for advertising things. Bonfire chatting in local is understandable, as it is one small map that everyone can see what everyone is saying. And we can't all chat in local at the plains where most are because-think!- it's a huge map! I usually make a new buddy every so often on here, but now I don't at all. It makes me feel like the game is going to become some petty game that has the worst community possible, in which FH actually does seem to be driving itself to. And to think, we ALL have to suffer because one person decided to let their power-ego go to their head. And others are scared to talk in general for really anything because this one person decided to change the community to their liking. It really is sad, but sure, general doesn't need to have random sentences by people trying to get attention, but we don't need to suffer for some idiotic thought from one person. The community complains about this 24/7 and it is no shocker at all. I myself am thinking of going in a hiatus from the game until this is taken care of, I can't even meet anyone else. And not all of us want to send friend requests to twenty different people.
Heck, I sometimes go on the game as a character who has an RP group already and mess around with them, so with them group chat is out of the question, and I am very sure that many others do this. Not all of us would like to quit our group to chat about one topic. People in the community are starting to leave and state every thing that is wrong with the way FH is working out, and I can't help but agree. It really is getting on my nerves and some of my friends are leaving FH already until this stupid, petty problem is resolved. And to think, this is all because of one person. Makes most just stop socializing or playing entirely. I am sure plenty are thinking the same thing as well. And two got banned for stating their opinion, SO WHAT if YOUR oh-so-powerful opinion is not the same as others. Don't even dare to expect all of us to be your little drones and agree to your thoughts like slaves. I wouldn't be ashamed to be part of those two, I had agreed with them. This is insane, being kicked off for stating our opinions. Sorry, but not everyone wants to be a mindless drone who sucks up to your powerful feet just to stay out of trouble so they don't get kicked like the reasonable people do.
It astounds me that the real people who seem to have a mind get banned, when the suck ups get all the glory and roam around stating idiotic thoughts based off the mods. The one person is getting mad at people for just saying really anything that doesn't please their almighty thoughts, so they decide to kick them before they stir up something against their pleasure. They simply swing their banhammer and continue their ego-filled quest of banning every decent person in the community who has an opinion that is against their all powerful opinion. It really sickens me how this community is, and if nothing is done, I can easily see it plummeting into an even stupider problem.
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(-only plays FH really late at night with the aussies, so she's never encountered 75-)
Sounds like a mod needs to be investigated by the Intelligence. -snort-
If any mod every told me general was completely off limits, I'd tell them to go out into the real world and find a girl or something to have something better to do with their time. Seriously, I'd really be like, "Screw you and get lost."
Oh look, it's Mr. Banhammer..
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No one ever said general had a rule in stone, and people act like the section has a rule. They result their actions according to a rule no one ever said was real. How shall we know what you don't like for us to do when no one has put up a rule about general, but this leads me again to ,'Why have it if you don't like it' subject.
Argh, I don't feel like dealing with it at all, so I won't be risking going ingame to get some more of this. Taking a break from this problem. PM me is you wanna talk about, any of ya. -slinks away-
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General. Its for General chat. Generic, it shoudln't BE Specified wth? Cursing is already a no in the rules that should go for ALL chat types and same with trolling so that shouldn't even be mentioned.
Instead of saying lets make if for ads and seeking people why don't you make a new chat box designated for Advertising in yellow or purple or orange font? That way people can turn off or on the ads to see what they want? :)
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Copy/paste my reply from other thread:
In my experience, general chats are meant to be used for just that, general chat. Random people in all parts of the map talking about whatever they want. It usually makes for a fun community just chatting together from all around.
However, it seems that the mods want general to be used only for advertising? This just compounds the need for an advertising chat all on its own. That would keep the chat more organized and allow people to really pick what they want to read on the chat.
Ex)
Looking for an RP? Turn off general & local, turn on advertising.
Bored and want to chat with random people? Turn off local & advertising, turn on general.
Having a RP in local with some friends? Turn off advertising & general, turn on local.
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Ghosting thats what I said D:
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In my experience, general chats are meant to be used for just that, general chat. Random people in all parts of the map talking about whatever they want. It usually makes for a fun community just chatting together from all around.
I'm being swayed a bit, just by this sort of thing. I kinda take back what I said about not/minute conversing in General.
I think...I guess conversing would be considered ok. Just as long as it doesn't turn into something stupid/spammy/obscene/etc.
I guess I just see so much of it, it makes you want to restrict what goes on in General. But eh, I guess that's what hiding chats and the block button is for. Even though it doesnt fully get rid of the morons.
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Practically what Draak said.
Im kind of irritated that when i want to try and find an rp, and it gets flooded away by spam! no minor and brief conversations.... spam!
ppl right now arent trying to find each other, or ask where they are, or how they are feeling.... they are telling us things we are not interesed about... and shouldnt know about. totally offending and not needed things. mostly trolls, and spammers, who talk in caps, and rape each other in general chat.
i really dont have a problem with ppl who really just have an innocent friendly conversation. but there is a fine line when it goes to unneeded spamming. if you really want a nice and long conversation, find the ppl, or whisper them. (you know you can click on their name in the chatbox, and whisper them from there on)
When i just want to chill or im even wanting to find an rp, im always forced to just disable the general chat because of the content.. or the endless spam that floods it. Im kind of fed up with it. I dont want for ppl to actually stop talking on it just... mind the content and the length of the conversation.
I always kind of thought it as logical the general chat is for advertising rps or finding ppl, or finding rps, and asking for help with the game or forums. why else would it be heard everywhere on the map? i was sure that it wasnt for telling everyone how they will beat the butt of a person and go in to detail. thank you but im not interested at all, and im sure noone would like to hear about that either.
(sorry if i offended someone, not meant to)
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Keep in mind guys this is a thread about what General chat should be used for, not to bash mods.
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Keep in mind guys this is a thread about what General chat should be used for, not to bash mods.
Nearly exactly what I was going to say.
For the most part I personally just use general chat to find a quick thrown together rp last minute or say hello to a friend or two before rp-ing. I honestly cant say that i just get on FH for random jibberish talking and Justin beiber singing like MANY people use general for. Now i will say that people who spam or are simply annoying should be made an example out of and everyone doing these things should be capable of understand why they got punished. They are rules that everyone should know by now and if you don't you'll learn the hard way.
Not trying to get my throat ripped out, but just use your noodles. =)
-tripwire/andrea
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It is true that people writing in General Chat does get pretty annoying, but it also may be because party chat isnt available yet which I know I'd use to talk with friends that were far away. People will say to make a group but sometimes the character your using at the time already has a group that you don't want to leave. Maybe wait till party chat is working before having a major rage fit at people ^^
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"They are rules that everyone should know by now and if you don't you'll learn the hard way." <--- Sorry, I believe I LOLed in real right there.
For starters, as everyone has thus far mentioned and still received no word about; Where exactly is the rule that says General chat is only and strictly for advertising? Do point me in the right direction, because I assure you I cannot seem to find it.
Wait, I know. It's because there is no rule on the specific use of General chat. Not a one, and not posted anywhere on the forum for anyone else to see. Yet, people are banned for 'Spamming' the chat with conversations/talk/greetings/ect? It goes back to my last point, how do you expect a rule to be obeyed when it isn't posted nor widely known? No warning, nothing in the rules updated. This would automatically make us question the legit reason for just one person banning people for said 'spam', would it not?
"I've actually seemed to have known the rules for you could say a rather long time now, and I don't see any of the rules stating that we should "use" General this way, or that way. It doesn't really make sense. There's nothing posted about how it should even be, and it's mainly like a free for all. Nobody, just saying that not even one simple mod, should try and change that. This whole fight is just pathetically stupid." ~Quote from Doggersdog
Stupid indeed. We're arguing over the right that someone had to ban multiple players for using a chat in a way they deemed to be breaking the rules. When in fact no such rule can be found anywhere on the forum or the ToS. Do you honestly believe it's fair to fling a random restriction into the mix of something that has always been, at least as long as I remember playing the game? And then suddenly ban for breaking that restriction, even though no previous issues had arose?
This isn't about people being banned for breaking a rule. This is about the fact that there is no rule in regards to the certain use of General. Yet it is perfectly fine to eliminate players like they're nothing when they defile those invisible laws?
We aren't brainless, and we aren't stupid. It's not hard to see where one person's preferences corrupts everyone close to them, and push the ones fighting back against the wrong done toward them farther away. We no longer have a voice, the argument has become one sided. It's us, the players, against them, the one person responsible and the people that support them blindly due to friendship.
Is it really too much to ask that a proper rule be put in place, before someone goes off and bans people for every tedious thing possible? Would it really be that hard to let the rule sink in before you start flinging people left and right for breaking rules they weren't aware were intact? As others have mentioned, would it not be an advancement to create guidelines for punishments when breaking rules? And post those guidelines for us the players to see as well? As most Admins and mods have thus said, punishments vary between each individual. Someone cursing might get banned for an hour, another an entire week. Where is the equality in that? You can't tell me that the staff cannot compromise on punishments which are fair and just for whatever is done. It's not hard, and it doesn't require a major amount of effort. So where's your excuse, other than some still preferring to show the usual favoritism with their buddy buds and people that worship the ground they walk on?
Sorry, never been one of those people. Respect rolls two ways, and if you can't show equal respect for all, then why would you deserve mine? Until something is done to right the wrong, I won't be back in game. Not even when my ban time is up, I refuse to be part of such a community as to call itself great, when it's splitting apart at the seams.
~Onai.
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Onai, must I remind you this thread is about what general is meant to be used for, not what the bad things have happened with it?
I understand you're angry/want justice but for now, that is completely off topic.
Unless everyone stays on topic, this thread will be locked and no general opinions will be taken into consideration.
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General Chat to me means a place to chat about Feral Heart when a chat box is just to small. :3 I don't think it means you can talk aimlessly about stuff, because it says 'General Game Discussion'.
-Trying to keep this on topic-
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for awhile - I used to think it was the chat you could use when the Local Chat was full .. or vice versa ^^'' (oops)
In IT , I used it all the time, I couldn't tell the difference besides color.
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Just that IT and FH are 2 completely different things now. Not only did IT actually have seperate chat windows for all chats(much better if you ask me), but IT had 1/10th of the players FH has now, if not even less. IT also had tons of maps, and a party function.
General is big now, very big.
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idk for sure - where the rules different / did they change at all from IT to now in FH ? ( kinda thought it was the same for general chat cept chat windows = check boxes now.)
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Ghosting thats what I said D:
Lol, sorry dude but I was just pasting what I had already said the other day from another thread. Our times just seem to have matched up ;)
In my experience, general chats are meant to be used for just that, general chat. Random people in all parts of the map talking about whatever they want. It usually makes for a fun community just chatting together from all around.
I'm being swayed a bit, just by this sort of thing. I kinda take back what I said about not/minute conversing in General.
I think...I guess conversing would be considered ok. Just as long as it doesn't turn into something stupid/spammy/obscene/etc.
I guess I just see so much of it, it makes you want to restrict what goes on in General. But eh, I guess that's what hiding chats and the block button is for. Even though it doesnt fully get rid of the morons.
Thanks, Draak, its nice to see that you have an open mind about this situation.
In fact, I think that Draak gives a good example of what is causing disagreements between what should and shouldn't be on the general chat thread.
It seems that one of the reasons people are against chatting on general is simply because of the horrid spamming and inappropriate things that some immature players have been posting on it lately. However, I believe it is important to separate these issues. Spamming and chatting CAN go hand in hand, but they are mutually exclusive. You can chat without spamming and spam without chatting.
Obviously spamming should not be tolerated on general, especially inappropriate spamming. I am sure that EVERYONE agrees with this. However, its important to not let your dislike of spamming make you feel like all chatting will degenerate into that.
We do have a good community who can chat and have nice fun conversations with each other, lets not forget that because we have a few nasty apples in the bunch 8)
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However, I believe it is important to separate these issues. Spamming and chatting CAN go hand in hand, but they are mutually exclusive. You can chat without spamming and spam without chatting.
Obviously spamming should not be tolerated on general, especially inappropriate spamming. I am sure that EVERYONE agrees with this. However, its important to not let your dislike of spamming make you feel like all chatting will degenerate into that
I think these are some good, key points here that people should remember.
I think the spam and the state that General is in now may make people worry about if they're spamming or not. Since I don't think I've actually seen a decent conversation in General for a while O_o. Most of it is either the awful stuff or borderline idiotic/spam conversations.
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I Believe that general chat is only meant for advertising, but can be used for normal chat. some people may Overuse the chat with unwanted news and spam, which destracts Roleplays and also can be Annoying To Other players Or the Mods.
Its quiet hard to say what to do. :/
People could always just turn off general if it annoys them that much..
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X.o.
Blinding colors Rose.
Also, no, that isn't what were talking about here.
Were talking about what general chat should be used for, not if it bothers' any one.
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Eh. New to form chatting and yes THE COLOURS! :D
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I Believe that general chat is only meant for advertising, but can be used for normal chat. some people may Overuse the chat with unwanted news and spam, which destracts Roleplays and also can be Annoying To Other players Or the Mods.
Its quiet hard to say what to do. :/
People could always just turn off general if it annoys them that much..
basically what you just said goes into the same category as "to avoid trolls and abusers, there is the block button". this wont solve anything in my opinion(ignoring isnt the best solution). but yes, as Twilia said. this is not the topic.
So basically what most said:
- advertising
- asking for help (forum and game related)
-little announcments
-small, or big but meaningful conversations.
what not to use for:
-spam
-abuse
-trolling
-bullying
i also would like to put here:
- talking to mods about subjects that arent FH related, and the mod wont talk back (saying here like: i love you mod! come party mod! etc.) stop spamming them, they wont talk back. this basically hinders them in their work, and in my opinion should be punished.
(yet again saying.... sorry if i offended anyone... didnt mean to)
ty for reading
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i also would like to put here:
- talking to mods about subjects that arent FH related, and the mod wont talk back (saying here like: i love you mod! come party mod! etc.) stop spamming them, they wont talk back. this basically hinders them in their work, and in my opinion should be punished.
Oh yeah, that. I don't know why that didn't occur to me but yeah. This too I agree. It's annoying how everyone seems to do that the moment a Mod appears in the chatbox, it causes a huge clog.
Don't know about punishing them for it, but it IS a kind of spam nonetheless.
But on the other hand you don't really see it happen a lot compared to the trolling/other spam, so it's not really major, major spam/in the same leagues as the rest...I guess it really depends on how often Mods appear in the chatbox. But sure enough, when the Mod does appear so does that "MOD!!11!!" spam.
And yeah, it's fine when users ask the Mods intelligent questions, that I don't mind users doing. Calm greetings would be preferred too. Not:
"MOD!!1"
"HI MOD!"
"MOOOOOOOD!!!!"
"MOD WILL U MARRY ME?"
"MOD MOD HIIIIII"
Which goes on and on and on.
O_o I also don't know why people are so excited to see a Mod...
Also on the topic of Mods and General chat, another no is when people totally disregard the Mods and post abusive/vulgar/petty remarks in relation to the Mod when the Mod is right there. Those users are just asking for a ban.
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General chat. I always think of it as a place where people can talk to each other as a whole map, you know? But there's always people advertising their roleplays, and mates, and stuff like that. It's more like a huge clutter of random stuff in one chat. D: Not a simple little box where people can meet new people.
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My Opinion:
Local Chat: Random Chat, Roleplays.
General Chat: Advertising, Game related Topics. Since this Chat goes over a whole map there shouldnt be any random crap. Since someone is maybe looking for a Pack or RP and the randomness on the G-Chat is just getting in the way. If you want to talk to one Person far away, use Whisper or Group. (Soon Partychat.)
In custom maps i dont really care how they are used.
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I love General Chat ._. Lets us express our opinions freely. <3
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Should be:
Advertising Roleplays: Yes, I think it's a great place to do that, and if people don't feel like roleplaying the can turn general off if they don't want to hear it.
Looking for a Mate: It's better than pming random people...if someone just says in general they're looking for a mate, it's easy to find one. Anywho, again, if someone gets tired of reading it, they can just turn general off.
Should NOT be:
Roleplaying: This is really annoying. Nobody really wants to read your roleplay, that's why I like creating groups with roleplay, and using that. Or pming for one-on one roleplay.
Yeah, I don't have much to say. But the roleplaying gets really annoying.
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That should be FACT, Tigg. It is really annoying. I hate seeing this:
DramaticwolfOMG:She growled, and came back to life cause she is a magical wolf.
Lionbla:He killed the wolf again, and threw a tree at her.
And this:
lolmynameisjoe:HAI GUYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And this:
iwantamate:looking for a mate pm iwantamate.
iwantamate:looking for a mate pm iwantamate.
iwantamate:looking for a mate pm iwantamate.
iwantamate:looking for a mate pm iwantamate.
iwantamate:looking for a mate pm iwantamate.
NOTICE THE EMPHASIS.
And for people who are looking for people to join their packs/clans/prides: OMG WOLVES/LIONS/WARRIOR CATS/ ETC. ARE SOO STEWPED OMG LOLOLOLOL
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Personally i use General chat to goof off(many ppl know that XD) or contact someone because for some odd reason whisper lags me -_-!. But I also use it to advertise or help someone Advertise.
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My Opinion:
Local Chat: Random Chat, Roleplays.
General Chat: Advertising, Game related Topics. Since this Chat goes over a whole map there shouldnt be any random crap. Since someone is maybe looking for a Pack or RP and the randomness on the G-Chat is just getting in the way. If you want to talk to one Person far away, use Whisper or Group. (Soon Partychat.)
In custom maps i dont really care how they are used.
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You might hate the flourtine general chat then 90% of the chats are ppl doing everything but advertising XD
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And this:
iwantamate:looking for a mate pm iwantamate.
iwantamate:looking for a mate pm iwantamate.
iwantamate:looking for a mate pm iwantamate.
iwantamate:looking for a mate pm iwantamate.
iwantamate:looking for a mate pm iwantamate.
blabla has made a video
blabla has made a video
blabla has made a video
blabla has made a video
blabla has made a video
blabla has made a video
blabla has made a video
blabla has made a video
Which consists of a few seconds saying something like "LOOKING FOR A MATE" "RP PLZ"
Although it's not really just based in General chat it's in all of them and is easily switched off, but it's still annoying.
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someone spammed by singing the lyrics to this song Circle Song 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWDha0wqbcI#)
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Oh and Death. You and your friends spamming about symmetry. Mmm gets old doesnt it? If you want a chat to spam, make a group people.
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SPAM. FIGHTS. NO! D:< Can't take it anymore. I hate it. Hate it hate it. Spam: Normally RP spam, mate beggars, etc... Fights: SERIOUSLY. Just put the person on block and get on with your day!! Trolls: Just no.
PLEASE. THE FIGHTS ARE THE WORST. Every time there's a fight spam in General, I have to turn it off. Then the Mods get mad and then everybody flips out that there's a Mod
THEN everyone kisses up to the mod like "OMG MOD HI MOD MARRY ME!"
I have to turn General off every time...
Please stop. Please?
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General is just general, now this is said.
Many people are just annoyed by the continus spam, that is just annoying.
Altrought general can be a good place to have a nice chat with the loving comunity and a perfect place to find a person with the same interest!
Altrought there could be ads chat where only ads would go, it would be way esier to find some nice role plays, mates, cubs and so on.
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I think that Draak said everything I would try to say (with my kind of broken English, so I'm happy about that fact. |'D) but I wanted to say that I hate it, when you are trying to advertise for your RP and a random group of General-RPers are Rping.. uhm, yeah: in General.
I have to ask: why??? Where is the point in doing a RP when you don't see the others characters (and General is made for talking to persons on the other edge of the map in my opinion...)?
General is for
- asking questions if you're new to the game
- advertising for your RP
and not for
- RP
- random chatting
- goofing around
Everytime I see that I ask myself, why those people are not able to build a group or a party when they are to lazy to meet and chat in local. -.- Sorry, if this sounds rude, but it's my opinion and it's annoying when you are not able to write RP advertising into the general chat because there are four people random chatting and all you see in the chat box is green. -sighs-
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I think that Draak said everything I would try to say (with my kind of broken English, so I'm happy about that fact. |'D) but I wanted to say that I hate it, when you are trying to advertise for your RP and a random group of General-RPers are Rping.. uhm, yeah: in General.
I have to ask: why??? Where is the point in doing a RP when you don't see the others characters (and General is made for talking to persons on the other edge of the map in my opinion...)?
General is for
- asking questions if you're new to the game
- advertising for your RP
and not for
- RP
- random chatting
- goofing around
Everytime I see that I ask myself, why those people are not able to build a group or a party when they are to lazy to meet and chat in local. -.- Sorry, if this sounds rude, but it's my opinion and it's annoying when you are not able to write RP advertising into the general chat because there are four people random chatting and all you see in the chat box is green. -sighs-
Another one that clearly shows why general shouldn't be used for spazzy convos that pushes other more important questions/matters away.
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help me! i dunno how you create a chara!
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Another one that clearly shows why general shouldn't be used for spazzy convos that pushes other more important questions/matters away.
More like, "Another reason we need a specific ADVERTISEMENT channel." Its called "General Chat" for a reason.
But whatever, unsurprisingly nothing has been done anyway. Old topic is old.
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Random chatting: yes i do it all the time it's fun.
Advertising roleplays :yes
Roleplaying: yes under certain conditions if it's a short pall around roleplay then yes if it's a detailed roleplay no.
Arguments: gah it causes so much stress to both the real person and the people around.
Trolling/ just being mean in general: no just NO.
Anything sexual or gory: don't get me wrong i LOVE GORE but i know a lot of people don't, and sexual NO NO NO keep that to yourself or to your bedroom, not for us. it's just ugh bleeeeh DO NOT SPEAK TO JUSTIN BEIBER
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Another one that clearly shows why general shouldn't be used for spazzy convos that pushes other more important questions/matters away.
More like, "Another reason we need a specific ADVERTISEMENT channel." Its called "General Chat" for a reason.
But whatever, unsurprisingly nothing has been done anyway. Old topic is old.
Yeah, Certainly. Let people troll around freely in the chats. Works great.
It's not a reason why people need to find excuses for other chats because they can't be calm.
Making another chat or even chatroom for those that want to spazz around would be an awesome idea actually and I support it. Though the thing with general is that most people know it goes out to the whole map, it's extremely easy to use, and it is used for grabbing peoples attention. The points have been proven in the posts before and some are really good at ignoring them.
There's just one problem with getting another chat, and that's that kov has to make it, and he seems busy at the time to make this happen.
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What? What?
Where did you get the impression that I think general should be used for "spazzing out"?
All I said was that its more than obvious that there needs to be a specific chat for advertising. Honestly you could just freaking change general's name TO "Advertising chat" and that would solve all your problems. People wouldnt chat randomly in it and everyone would know where to look for RPs, mates, etc.
My problem is that General Chat's name doesn't make sense. If its only for advertising, why is it called General Chat??
I do support a community global chat channel as well, but General's current name is just confusing.
Also, still LOLing over the fact that there STILL aren't any set rules on the forum explaining what is and isn't allowed on general. Its been several months now.. come on.
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^ kinda have to agree ^^*
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Wow, what an intresting topic. I'm glad to see all your opinions. Ok, here I go.
I think General chat should be used for intersting conversations where everyone is allowed to respond and tell their opinions and add to the coversations.
We should also be able to advertise our RP and such, even though I don't really RP much, but others will be certainly pleased if we could.
We should also be able to talk about whatever we want, and whatever we find intresting.
What I really don't think should be allowed to be talked about is adoptions. In Bonefire, many players are wanting to be " adopted" and I think it is kind of dumb. I mean, people should be able to talk about that, but not too much, or else they would be so busy "adopting" that they wouldn't want to talk about anything else.
Also bullying, and harsh language are a big no. I see too many people saying inappropriate words and all, but I know moderators are trying their best, so I'm not complaining.
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guilty for carrying on a chat like explaining what my dog is doing in general XD
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I'm going to get straight to the point.
Here's what I think it should and shouldn't be used for:
Brief conversations. This is not to say stop chatting in general altogether. I think it's ok if you want to use General chat to ask questions to those who are listening, or to try to find the location of someone. Little things like this.
If you want to continue your conversation, find that user and then continue in the Local chat.
Dragging out a longwinded sob story about how your life sucks/how you can't get out of that rock/what you did today/what your dog is doing right now in my opinion isn't what General Chat should be used for.
Although on the other hand, sometimes you get caught up in something and it just gets carried out.
Advertising Roleplay. I believe this is ok also, since how else would you gather others to join you in a rp ingame? However there is a fine line between Advertising and spam I think. If you post a few times with a bit of time inbetween post it's ok, however if it's all in caps every second, it's not ok and I think it's spam.
Mate/pup/cub/family beggars also has a similar scenario to what I just explained, and I'd be just repeating myself.
I should also be noted that users should know when to stop advertising/asking. If no one responds, no one is interested. Don't continue to press on with it and maybe try again in half an hour/an hour or so.
Roleplay. No. Just no. Because some/most users do not want to know how your wolf howled at the moon, or how your lion mauled that giraffe. It just clogs up the chatbox. If you want to roleplay, stick to Local chat, Group chat or even your own map.
Vulgarities Ugh. This is a huge no. I don't want to get into what I've seen that's been said over the General chat. ranging from sexual things/rape to other gross TMI bodily functions. I'd rather not hear about something like that so publically. Once again, if you really must talk about your TMIs stick to whispers and group chats.
Arguments. If something comes up and causes a fight, don't slather it all over General Chat. No one wants to hear your swears, crude/petty remarks and all round rage at one another. This also just unpleasantly clogs the chatbox and should be taken into local or just take your argument out of the game and have it over email/PM/MSN/etc.
Bullying. Another huge no. I've seen on multiple occassions small handfuls of users pick on another player for various reasons. I guess this could also come under Trolling aswell.
And finally the big ones, Spam and Trolling.
(http://a.deviantart.net/avatars/f/f/ffplz.png) No no no no no no no. No.
I don't think I really have to explain this one. I'm pretty sure everyone has seen their fair share of spam and trolling in it's various shapes and forms in the General Chat.
You just said all my words
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Seriously?
Plain and simple. General is. G.E.N.E.R.A.L. Look I spelt it out. We should be able to talk in it. It's a place for people to make conversations, have a bit of fun. Do you seriously think that its ONLY? For advertising? WHat about when you trying to find someone? What if you want to discuss something with someone, and no-body you know is on? Give us a bit of freedom, or I shall be calling this game Wolfquest.
ALSO. Never ONCE on my time here, have I seen someone being ignored. People who speak in General care about eachother. Another member comes on? We talk to them and help them. Yes, some may be ignored. If we miss the post.
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Have you honestly not seen how little general chat is used for talking and proper convos?
What about the fact that it's broadcasted to all players within a map, and always will be everytime someone boot up the game.
70% of the time, if not more the conversations in general are no conversations at all, just random powerplaying rp, screaming about something no one needs to hear, spamming different sorts of smiley faces or simply complaining about newbies posts about weird roleplays and mate begging.
Really pretty general, really.
General is for more than just advertising indeed. But spotting a real conversation in general doesn't happen too often.
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In my opinion, General is the place to have a conversation with people all over the map without having to meet them face-to-face or in a whisper. You can spread the word of something, you can ask for help and hopefully receive it, and you can advertise as well as troll for laughs. Sure, you get some trouble-makers there, but seriously, you get them everywhere.
Would be nice if we had a chat specifically for advertising, though. The advertisements do take up a lot of room when they're all doing it at once.
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Red, I hope you don't think I'm being mean here.
I have seen the complete oppisite to what you said. When I go on general, it takes jut one person to speak and then the real conversations speak. I agree with Zarago. Maybe, we should make an advertising chat? Not that hard plus it would save a lot of unwanted argument.
EDIT: I am speaking of Flourite Plains for my argument.
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Red, I hope you don't think I'm being mean here.
I have seen the complete oppisite to what you said. When I go on general, it takes jut one person to speak and then the real conversations speak. I agree with Zarago. Maybe, we should make an advertising chat? Not that hard plus it would save a lot of unwanted argument.
Too true. Whenever I trot over into General, and even start to talk about one thing or another, I always get replies, and it quickly turns into a conversation. I rarely see people spamming or just fooling around. They have local, whisper, party and group for that.
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@ Magggggiee poo You have 666 posts O_. SPOOKY ! Change it, change it quick before you're cursed! :D
@The Topic, General chat isn't for when you're sitting next to everyone you're talking to. Nuff said.
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I do not think the opposite, I know from experiences how general chat works. And what goes on over there in that general chat at times is not what you point towards to support the discussion.
I will post a link here that I have in other threads. Do you guys still don't realise that users are force fed with what some users can come up with in general chat? These nice conversations you talk about isn't nice to everyone else, and even though I'm not the rp kind that writes long advertising posts to grab someones attention we pretty much got two parties in the game. 1 that likes to talk about everything and nothing in general chat, and those that just use it when they need it.
There is indeed differences between talking and "talking".
Read the part about chats and I think you'll know more what I'm trying to put out.
http://feral-heart.com/index.php?option=com_jfusion&Itemid=2&jfile=index.php&topic=12003.0 (http://feral-heart.com/index.php?option=com_jfusion&Itemid=2&jfile=index.php&topic=12003.0)
See feralheart as going to the movies. Some users just want to enjoy the movies, and some likes to scream at the screen. Maybe even get other players to force to hold their ears(turn off the chat), or maybe even go someplace else. When infact, they could get their very own room to scream at the movie.
I'm still going to go with that 6 chat functions for one single chatbox is too much. It should be divided into 3 on 3 or similar.
For example, a world chat with movie clips, advertising and movie clips.
And a Personal chat for local, whisper and group/party chat.
This is just a simple throwout and it wouldn't even need to be that way. But general chat is infact a problem when there's careless users that do not think about the other 100+ users in the map that is in fact not in the spotlight.
The maps have their fair part in this aswell if there's big maps like flourite(That also causes big server load since everyone goes there).
If an advertising chat is going to be made, so should a world/general chat.
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I truly don't understand what you're getting at Red. I'm sure that you've had to sit through plenty of these "conversations", but I do know that not everyone in General is trolling, swearing and spamming, and that I rarely see these things happen.
So, what exactly are you trying to say? Sorry if I may seem to be derpin'.
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Zarago dear, me and you both know what Red is talking about. He's talking about the times where me and you have been like WTF to general chat and logged for the night to go play a different game or something. I think General chat needs to have some rules, if not, we'll have that favorite vigilant mini-modding very poorly and just peeving the crap out of people.
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I'm going to be honest, if these posts, and the one thread linked in previous post doesn't give enough rhyme and reason, I'm not sure anything will for you.
All I'm trying to say that these "Conversations" everyone claims they have in general chat, is far from a conversation at all and at many times it's just plain out flooding the chats. Saying it's just nice socializing would not be true, saying advertising is a problem and should move to a chat alone we could just as well turn it other way around and say general chat should get it's own chat, it would be the very same thing in that matter.
So what exactly is so hard to understand about that? I could try to explain further so it might be easier, but my main point is that it's not ALL about the general chat and the users in it, think about the players in FeralHeart, just not the stars in general chat.
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I think I understand a little more. A lot of the stuff in General is complete rubbish, but as Magglepie said, it can only takes one person to start a good conversation, but equally one person to turn it into an argument.
Regarding advertisements, it is easier to gain members when it's there for all to see (unless, of course, one has turned General off). But if people are not looking to join a role-play, then these advertisements can get annoying and spammy, which is why I suggested a separate chat.
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.Oh my... Sticky topic. Well, at least I'm glad you people asked about General before putting in rules and what not. Well, I do agree that general is becoming a problem. But its not just people chatting (I will refer what is happening in general as chatting, for I do not think there is term for such things...) that crowd the chat box, it is advertisements too. And the best solution that I see that will make the most people happy, is to have seperate chats for advertising and general. Of course, general will have rules to keep it not as crazy. General should not be for: Roleplaying (BIG NO) Bullying, cussing (For some reason people have been doing this more .-.), trolling, and spaming. Notice that I didn't include "chatting." Why? Well for one, I like chatting, many people do. General provides a way out of your boredum of waiting for someone to get on, when your waiting for a good rp, or other reasons. It also provides a way for people to connect across the map. Yes, you can whisper or find them in local, but what if your talking to multiple people? You can't possibly handle all those whispers. And what if they can't go to you in local for some reason? Maybe its lag, or they are waiting for someone to find them or maybe local is just too crowded at the moment. Either way, general is much faster and easier to acess. And I do agree that alot of the chatting is not really chatting. But there IS chatting. I define chatting as talking about whatever the heck you what to talk about over the computer. What I don't define as chatting is spamming, trolling, moaning about how your life sucks, and talking about inapropriate things.
General has its own little system. When something disrupts this system, certain people who take it upon themselves to mini mod (i.e. Tell you the rules and report you) and tell that something that they can't do that. They keep the not chatting (That I mentioned earlier) down. Granted, they often start arguments, but general needs all the help it can get. Things eventually work out, but when a mod comes around... Oh, general goes utterly insane. People just mod spam out the wazoo. Why? I'm not sure. Maybe its because they don't see mods often or maybe its because (most likely) of their own stupidity. I REALLY thank that mod spam should be banned. I'm not saying the small little "Thank you mod, we appreciate what you do" I'm talking about the "OMG OMG MOD I LOVE YOU WILL YOU MARRY ME?!!!!!!" This and other things of mod spam is completly unnecsairy. Mods are not gods, they are people just like you, just with the power to ban your butt.
But back to the seperate chats. Yeah, I think its a good idea. You can hate on me, whatever. I might even look at what you say, but this is what I think. General will ALWAYS have problems, it is pretty much proven on other games. The question is, what can we do to IMPROVE general, even if it wont fix the problem as a whole.
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Well said foxie. I agree with you XD
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Good Lord have mercy on us! This is totally OUT OF CONTROL and I'm not the one to be easy on these kinds of topics. My suggestion is pretty much the same of other's. Make an advertising chat, everyone is happy yeah yeah, yet another problem arises and yada yada yada, everyone gets banned by this so called "mod" (i know i know its off topic but hey!) and soon FH will be CRASHED AND DONE just like IT. All because of the hectic, should I say, STUPID people in this community. General is general: used for anything. Look it up on google/ the dictionary! It'll come up, I think.
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Geeze this topic is ancient. The same arguments are just being repeated over and over. We need to stop beating this dead horse and just have something done already, this is getting old.
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Ghosting is right, and it still even seems like some of you people do not understand that this is not the meaning of the word general, it's about how it actually works in the game and what it causes.
Will lock this down since it will not move anywhere.