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This would be a useful way to implement the idea Raz had, which, while not the brightest, was of good intention.
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We had a report button? :o
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Not too familiar with how the old report button functioned, but if there would be a way to report users in-game, might save some hassle. I feel like there should be some sort of option built-in to the chat to report specific messages and provide an exact spot in the chat log. Screenshots can sometimes be unreliable, so having a direct message reported helps provide proof and the name of the rulebreaker (screenshots can be unreliable in that regard, since there are some glitches out there to make it seem like someone else is saying something without them actually saying it).
There'd need to be a lot of consideration put into how a report button would function, since however it worked last time obviously didn't seem to do the job. I support the return of the report button in some way, though it's gotta be certain it'll be functional and useful instead of a hassle.
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This is a thread that could have been opened up with a lot more of a considerate attitude for the feelings of others. For instance, insulting Raz will not get your idea implemented.
There is no necessity to compare the work and leadership qualities of two very valuable members of FH. No one is better than the other.
As for the Report button, I do believe it needs a return. Even if revamped, or brought back with it's normal ways. Wuite a useful button.
Rather agree with what Torskite has said.
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Ah, I've seen this topic mentioned quite a bit, especially recently.
Agreeing with Scally on this one; not sure insulting and comparing Raz to an ex-staff who had an entirely different role during their time here is going to help the situation. Raz has done an exceptional job at keeping this game afloat. There's always reasoning behind the staff's actions, and that includes their decision on whether or not implementing the report button back into the game is a good idea and if it's possible (as previously it didn't work out). I'm somewhat on the fence about this concept, although, if it were possible to bring it back with the needed improvements so that it's 100% functional, I'd say it'd be helpful, so long as people don't abuse it.
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You can just as easily take a screenshot and send it to a member of staff on the forum.
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You can just as easily take a screenshot and send it to a member of staff on the forum.
This is also something I wanted to mention in my post. I do prefer reporting on the forums, it's neat and doesn't take much time. I don't think the staff can take action any quicker if the report is sent in game rather than on the forums, all just depends on when they see the reports. It really doesn't take much effort to use the forums.
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Using the forum to report is just as easy if not easier as well as just as likely to be seen. However, I did see an idea to make the report button be a link to the forum, with that it'd take you right to where you need to go to file a report or learn how to do so. Just my thoughts though.
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Despite having the forum to report to, it would be much quicker and easier to have it built into the game. For instance, if a child were to play he or his parents may be confused on how to report to to the multi step process.
I'm for this.
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You make it sound like it's such a simple and easy thing to just "implement".
Yet I'm sure a lot of people wanting it don't know anything about coding, and even less people would understand Ogre.
I'm sure there is a reason why it hasn't been added yet, who knows what will appear in the future.
Not saying it's a bad thought. I would however think about wording myself differently.
Keep in mind that there is a lot of stuff being discussed between staff, Raz, MOTS etc.
At the moment there are no MOTS due to them becoming MITs.
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Using the forum to report is just as easy if not easier as well as just as likely to be seen. However, I did see an idea to make the report button be a link to the forum, with that it'd take you right to where you need to go to file a report or learn how to do so. Just my thoughts though.
Dis one?
Report System
As for the report system you suggested, it just doesn't seem as efficient enough for what is needed when it comes to evidence. I mean, I DEFINITELY think a report button should be included, however, the idea needs improving (not that your idea wasn't already a really good start). I vaguely understand what Morgra suggested, but from what I understand of it a user could take screenshots of the incident, hit the report button, type in the reason(s) why, and attach the screenshots taken already.
However, as straight forward and efficient as this sounds, it still isn't as close to 100% as it could be. If a report button were included, this means that anyone can make a report. Which of course is great. But my concern lies in those who take screenshots with their General/Local Chat Arrival settings set to 'Character Name' only, and how the actual report will reach the moderator's inbox on the forum. This is where the idea would now need to be improved even more just to prevent possible invalid reports when they could have so easily been valid reports if only the settings were correct.
From the top of my head, the most effective options I immediately see would be to:
- remove the 'Character Name' option from the 'Local Chat Type' and 'General Chat Type' settings under 'Interface' within the in-game options menu (which might be hard for people to let go of since they like the appearance).
- make it so when Arrival Chat Types are changed that they also update in the chat's history (a better option, if it's possible). Maybe with this, when someone clicks the report button a "have you remembered to..." reminder pop up list makes sure people are constantly reminded that usernames need to be visibly clear in the chat within the screenshot, thus encouraging the option change and hopeful success that it changes within the chat history, AND people can always change it again after to how they like it. Everybody wins.
- or a last resort, have the report button take the user to the How to Report In-Game users (https://feral-heart.com/smf/index.php?topic=50652.0) thread where both old and new users can learn how to report an in-game user if they didn't know how to already and the reporting system can still work the way it does through the forum using the tools we already have.
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>>Bawfle
Yis. xD
>>xSpirit
Good to know! Sounds much better too, thank you!
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I'm planning to implement a more advanced ingame report system (it would send the chat log, and possibly even screenshots too), but it's not the highest on the priority list since it's not a "must have asap" feature.
It might or might not be in 1.18, it depends on how fast other, more important things will be done.
Question!
- or a last resort, have the report button take the user to the How to Report In-Game users (https://feral-heart.com/smf/index.php?topic=50652.0) thread where both old and new users can learn how to report an in-game user if they didn't know how to already and the reporting system can still work the way it does through the forum using the tools we already have.
Do you think this idea would be a good/helpful temporary feature to have for 1.18 until your plans are functional/ready for release? I think it could really help encourage users to report something as and when it happens to gain that advantage earlier even if it's a bit of a time consuming thing to do to. Not only that; just by clicking the button it'll spread knowledge to users that they can report a user as/when necessary, and how to do so until your more effortless version arrives (if it works out). Considering how long it takes for patches to be discussed on, created, and released, I think it could benefit from the time-frame.
What are your thoughts?
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What are your thoughts?
it's not a "must have asap" feature.
depends on how fast other, more important things will be done.
You make it sound like it's such a simple and easy thing to just "implement".
Yet I'm sure a lot of people wanting it don't know anything about coding, and even less people would understand Ogre.
It's all there. Coding is no easy task. I personally think that there being a focus to create a specific and more advanced report button when the time comes for it is good.
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I understand that completely!
I should have gone into more detail honestly. I should have asked/added if adding that feature would be the same as maybe using coding used for the "Home Page" button that is already included in the login screen, or if it is more complex than that with it being in a different part of the game. I don't know a whole lot about coding/programming either, but it's worth asking questions that can be answered.
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Hmm, possibly? I do know that it works like that in Unity, you can easily re-use code you made for buttons from before, though that is when you know where to look and what to look for. But I do not know anything about how the source code works for FH specifically. I just imagine it being a mess of gibberish I wouldn't understand. xD
Of course! Any question is worth asking, and we have our answer, whether or not we like the answer provided.
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Everybody wins! Thanks again, xSpirit. :D
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Okay, thanks!
n yeah, opening a web page isn't hard at all, but usually people just come here to make an account and never really come back unless they need tutorials and/or answers for broken game issues or w/e. At least it'd be in their face like "heeey... you can do this?", but that's just my thought process
Good to know it's as easy as that, though.
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Ohhh okay, my bad! Thank you for clarifying
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Moving this over to the game opinions/ideas board~ c:
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Taking the idea of a report button a step further, what if all reports/logs were sent to a location in which all staff could collectively view them and handle them accordingly? Maybe this could even be implemented on the forum so users would not have to worry about privately messaging a specific staff member and instead send their report to a location (such as a board in which regular users can only see their posts and moderator replies—sort of like a ticket system?) so things could be more efficient.
Personally, I think anything that makes reporting more accessible is a positive. Even if the button only links a guide on how to do so, I think it would only benefit the community. Uploading every image and sending them to an individual staff member seems personal in my eyes. I was never a fan of it, and I am not entirely sure why ideas such as this are dismissed by some with the notion that it is too difficult to implement, or that it is unnecessary. . .
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In-game report buttons have a tendency to become abused pretty easily.
A number of games have basic and flimsy report systems which you choose an option from a drop down menu and send it out and... that's it. You don't get a follow up or even a notice about what happened. Such systems usually rely on a number of reports made to a particular person. If someone tells a ton of people to mass-report a user whether or not they actually did something, it could cause problems especially if they were innocent after all.
There was a report button eons ago when FH was still a baby, but it wasn't completed afaik so it didn't really work anyways.
I highly support an in-game link to a private board made for creating reports. Nothing extensive to do with the source code or script. It will require some user co-operation though, which understandably could be tricky.
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I see both sides and their reasoning for wanting or not wanting the report button, but I think I'd go with a report button since xSpirit seems to know what he's doing, and I trust him to make a reporting function that isn't easily able to get abused.
Having said that, if it was too simple and could get abused, I would be against it. Even though the community is fairly small enough it wouldn't be too bad, I feel like it wouldn't be worth it if it was too flimsy.
I would still like the ability to report users on the forums though. I think the in-game reporting should be an option, but not the only way.
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It will be so nice to finally have an actual working report button. Thank you xSpirit <3 Great ideas and discussion. Happy to see all the thought and attention you’re putting into this matter.
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I am not entirely sure why ideas such as this are dismissed by some with the notion that it is too difficult to implement, or that it is unnecessary. . .
I don't see that anywhere? Yeah there was mention that it could be difficult to make a new feature, and it was mentioned that it wasn't the most important thing, but I do not see anyone here who thinks it isn't necessary (besides the vote count) or is too difficult to do? I just see a discussion about the possibilities and the likelihood of it being sooner or later depending on how things go. I did not dismiss the idea and think it is something that could help in the long run. c:
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I am not entirely sure why ideas such as this are dismissed by some with the notion that it is too difficult to implement, or that it is unnecessary. . .
I don't see that anywhere? Yeah there was mention that it could be difficult to make a new feature, and it was mentioned that it wasn't the most important thing, but I do not see anyone here who thinks it isn't necessary (besides the vote count) or is too difficult to do? I just see a discussion about the possibilities and the likelihood of it being sooner or later depending on how things go. I did not dismiss the idea and think it is something that could help in the long run. c:
You make it sound like it's such a simple and easy thing to just "implement".
Yet I'm sure a lot of people wanting it don't know anything about coding, and even less people would understand Ogre.
I'm sure there is a reason why it hasn't been added yet, who knows what will appear in the future.
Not saying it's a bad thought. I would however think about wording myself differently.
Keep in mind that there is a lot of stuff being discussed between staff, Raz, MOTS etc.
At the moment there are no MOTS due to them becoming MITs.
i think they meant this.
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^ Was not going to reply because I thought it was obvious (and because I did not want to stray off topic), but yes, that is exactly what I was referring to. Not very encouraging for an admin to imply users do not understand how "hard" it is to do certain things. People should be encouraged to elaborate, not be told to follow a traditional path, especially considering this is the game opinions and ideas board... lol.
No hard feelings towards anyone—I just felt that it was inappropriate. Plus, it's a bit unnerving that the reply was only contradicted by xSpirit's kindhearted explanation shortly after. I fail to see communication there? I am incredibly thankful for you, xSpirit, for being open on your ideas, and I sincerely appreciate your explanations. I am very curious to see if this is implemented in the future, whether it be sooner or later—we can wait! Looking forward to seeing more discussion here as well.
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It was on this thread ^^ I completely understand and there is nothing wrong with throwing something aside (especially considering you alone are working on this!), however tone is very important here. It is obvious that very few people will understand the technical aspects of software development, but I personally still think it is very discouraging to an average community member to see a game leader initially dismiss their idea by stating reports could just easily be sent on the forum (which is very obvious to people who use the forum—this was later elaborated on though!) and later accuse them of not realizing the work involved. Totally understandable, and like I said, it is true many people do not realize the intensity of the work, I just feel it is unnecessary considering the game is aimed towards a younger audience just looking to put their ideas out in the open. Regardless, it is just my personal take!
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Wow. Honestly did not expect 4 pages of reply. This is probably the most popular *anything* of mine on the internet or otherwise has been. Lol.
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(This hasn't been posted on in a month, so I'm sorry if I caused any kind of disturbance!!)
I think I'm going to have to support, as I actually see players who have actually been too intimidated to report someone directly to a mod.. I've even seen people go to report a player but never ending up doing it. I think it would be a more faster and concise way to report someone. I understand it would be hard to add, but I think it could help, especially for newer players. I believe the work could be paid off, especially if it was to be kept as a permanent feature.