Feral Heart
Game & Forum Discussion => Forum Discussion => Forum Polls => Topic started by: kaya on February 21, 2011, 12:39:50 pm
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So we had some thinking about this but we need the community to give their opinions about it. :]
Should we get rid of the karma option or leave it?
Vote! :]
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I think we should. I see no point in it other than to boost peoples ego's or make people who care too much about what others think feel bad.
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Hm..good question. I do like it, however, if some users are sensitive about it, then, I'm going with removing it.
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i have to agree karma on previous forums have lead to group of people picking on someone by each clicking - karma then that person being hated by the community as they think "hmmm i wonder why that is better not talk to that person" attitude but on the plus side it shows people who is generally helpfull and in somecases who are the popular people in the community thus leading to i want to be like them and them helping people to so yeah
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I think we should. I see no point in it other than to boost peoples ego's or make people who care too much about what others think feel bad.
(:
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I think we should, or give users the option to switch it on/off. So the people who want it on can have it on, and those who want it off can have it off.
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We should.
I think we should. I see no point in it other than to boost peoples ego's or make people who care too much about what others think feel bad.
I agree fully with this. So i havent anything else to say at the moment.
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I'd say it has to go. But an off/on switch would be nice.
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hmm off on switch is a good idea i must say to have the option to toggle if you want to participate in karma like the olf IT forum had
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I beleive there already is an option to turn Karma off, no one has noticed it yet, or used it yet. I don't really see the point in getting rid of it entirely, because if people are scared off by Karma, then they obviously are not thinking for themselves. I use karma sometimes as a way of getting rid of frustration when someone has said something that I beleive to be wrong. And I don't mean a simple disagreeing, i mean those who go out of their way to insult someones beleifs or opinions, all because they think their opinion is the only one that matters....
And i find it a great source of enertainment. I find it a little funny when I bite someone that their number decreases. I am easily amused by the numbers... And I also like to go around nuzzling then biting for the fun of it too.
Can no one else say they haven't had that guilty pleasure?
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:D
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I'm going to make a couple of tutorials on how to do things on the Forum, Turning Karma off one of them. If anyone has anything they want me to do a Tutorial on, I'll be happy to oblige as long as I know how XD
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sounds good if there is one thing this community will be greatfull for is making tutorials hehe
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I'm totally with Kyugima here, it's a great way to let someone know you disagree with them strongly without sending some sort of long winded rant at them, it's sort of a way of letting your frustration out without causing a huge fuss.
Of course, targeting people and constantly biting them is wrong.
So I'd say it can stay, and if there's already an option to turn it on and off then that's ever better. xD
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I have mixed feelings about it...
My feelings about my karma:
Having a positive karma for me shows that ppl see me as i am, and gives me a feeling of achivment that ppl think positivly about me.
Having a bad karma in the other hand doesnt disturb me. I dont have that feeling like above, and i just ignore it. these are the times when i dont care about karma, because i know im not a bad person.
My feelings about others karma:
I dont judge anyone by karma at all. I have to see it for myself if they really are bad or not. I have many friends who have negative karma and it doesnt bother me at all, because i know they arent bad.
And as for it having an option to remove it: meeeh. It wouldnt be fair i guess. If you think about it, there are and always will be "trolls" and they do deserve a bad karma... and if there is an option to turn it off... they will just troll and not get the bad karma they deserve.
Or if someone helped you greatly or something... you couldnt praise them for it... because their karma is off. While you desperately would want to give something.
As for biting and nuzzling:
I never bite anyone without a reason(and these have to be really good reasons). I have bitten 2 or 3 ppl so far because of their offensive replies/posts towards me. Though i do agree that targeting someone and biting them every day is wrong, i did bite a person 2 or 3 times because of their highly offensive comments about me...
However i do nuzzle without any reason. I just go on the forum and nuzzle a few ppl, even if i dont know them. I respect everyone and i want to show it this way. Even though you never know who nuzzled you. Plus if someone leaves a lovely comment, or stands on my side in an argument or am friends with... i like to nuzzle them daily XD
As some already have stated before me, biting can be a good "punishment" for those who do something wrong against you or their reply is offensive. Not that many care, but it calms you down a bit. Its really tiring to write 4-5 rows.. while you can just click one little word.
All in all: i voted no.
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Maybe be so kind as to direct us to where the karma turn off button is at then? xD
I still stand with my opinion however. All it does is boost ego's. ;P
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I'm totally with Kyugima here, it's a great way to let someone know you disagree with them strongly without sending some sort of long winded rant at them, it's sort of a way of letting your frustration out without causing a huge fuss.
Of course, targeting people and constantly biting them is wrong.
So I'd say it can stay, and if there's already an option to turn it on and off then that's ever better. xD
^, This I must agree to. I went from ten karma to 0 in one day..I've no idea who targeting me. /Shrug.
Maybe be so kind as to direct us to where the karma turn off button is at then? xD
I still stand with my opinion however. All it does is boost ego's. ;P
Probably some where in account settings.
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I'd rather have it gone. I dont judge people on karma either but being targeted by someone is a bit annoying. And since you dont know who it is they can keep doing it. You may have ideas but you cant make accusations. Besides that we have people here who actually do judge people on Karma. I'd rather save some people (and myself) the trouble of being targeted and just get rid of it.
As Kahara said, all it does it boosts egos and prolly make some people think they've done something wrong. It bothers me that people would abuse Karma for petty reasons.
Like now. I had 6 karma thanks to Venku who dropped the bites for me. 6 Nuzzles and 11 bites he said. Now look at my count. Its zero. What does that say? Im being targeted by someone. -_- It didnt bother me much at first, but now it is bothering me.
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^ I'm aware it's most likely in account settings, however despite my searching I'm unable to find it?
If I do find it, I'll kindly let you guys know exactly where. So far, no such luck.
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I want it to be removed, cause I get people smiting me all the time. >_<
It's pointless also.
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hehe same here i think someone has got it out for us brits huh lol this morning i had 5 karma now i has 2
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...I'm...neutral at this.
-but at least people aren't abusing the "nuzzle" button. Or so I believe. I'm not too opinionated and often flexible with decisions, but I have a rebound when it comes to arguements or debates. I don't attack people with profanity (unless I'm driven beyond the edge, which is rare) but a series of smart remarks or phrases. I'm already sensing a series of bites upon me due to me being "slightly" off-topic, but that's how I feel. Neutral.
-though, the toggle option seems fair enough. Since I'm not on the forums (or the Internet) as frequently as I was promted to, I won't be tempted to click "nuzzle" or "bite" if someone makes a point. Not even some of the staff.
No offense.
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if i find the turn of karma option do i get karma for it
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No.
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ok then ...can i has cookie then cookiez are better than karma and have the crunchy nom factor
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I dont mind it on, and it wouldn't be the end of the world if it was off. I do like the on/off idea that someone mentioned, as it would be a great alternative for both sides.
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I voted no. Here's why:
About positive karma- I like being able to know that people appreciate my actions here on the FH forums.
It's actually very good motivation for me to spend time on here and get to know my friends on FH a bit better than I would otherwise.
About negative karma- I haven't actually encountered anyone I really wanted to use the bite option on so far. So, I take this as a sign that FH is overall a very friendly forum community. Sure, people get annoying once in a while, but I don't actually take that as a reason to bite. Of course, if they've been repeatedly asked to stop insulting me and refuse to stop being offensive, I would probably use the bite option once to hopefully get the message across.
It's just much easier to click a link than to post a novel about how much you like or dislike what someone has done. That's why I don't think the karma option should be removed.
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If there was a karma option I'd have mine off by now. There isnt a karma option yet.
Now I think it should be optional. Ive changed my opinion, since we have a lot of people here who'd rather keep karma. But I still think that people abuse the bite button for stupid reasons. While it is fine to give a person a bite because you dont agree, or give a person a nuzzle because you do agree, its pure stupidity to just senselessly bite someone because you can.
Opt-out/opt- in Karma button please. Im tired of being targeted.
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^ Yeah, I also checked with Rak$ha, there isn't one. +Karma's Tyki
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Thank you. ^^
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Hmmm, I know there is a Karma on/off button, I've seen it, and others have used it from what I've heard, but I went to look and i can't find it any more...
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Maybe they're talking about another site. Because Ive been here for a while and I havent seen an opt-out karma button yet. :/ I know there was one on the Impressive Title forum. But certainly not here. Yet anyway.
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I was never on impressive title, and I know it was there, because I was all like, Karma on FH? cool! And look! the on off button! *Is going crazy* I KNOW IT WAS THERE!!! I SAW IT!!!
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If there was a karma option I'd have mine off by now. There isnt a karma option yet.
Now I think it should be optional. Ive changed my opinion, since we have a lot of people here who'd rather keep karma. But I still think that people abuse the bite button for stupid reasons. While it is fine to give a person a bite because you dont agree, or give a person a nuzzle because you do agree, its pure stupidity to just senselessly bite someone because you can.
Opt-out/opt- in Karma button please. Im tired of being targeted.
I totally agree! People shouldn't click the Bite button just "because they can." I actually forgot some forums have an option to opt out of participating in the Karma thing to tell the truth. So I'd like to second the idea of an opt-in/out of karma button.
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There isn't, I'm sorry to tell you. xDDD
impressivetitle.proboards.com had a code for one, but that's Proboards. ;P
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Yup, yup. Proboards forums have the option for opt-in/out.
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thought so trust this board to miss that out. i hate crappy boards that dont include the basic stuff. to me its like a light if you can put it in you should be able to take it out
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The forum isn't crappy, it's actually rather good. I'm more in favor of Proboards - but this one has a lot to offer too.
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i didnt say it was crappy i just said that when they include something that you cant turn off again thats whats crappy
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I barely even notice Karma on this site- or any other, for that matter. I don't really see the problem with it. But, if people are getting offended, they can simply turn it off ^^ You just have to do a little sleuthing to find it ;)
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We should leave it as it is, but have an on-off option button XD
Karma sometimes reflects the person behind the name.
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Where?!
Seriously, I swore I saw how and all that, but I can't find it again!
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i have to agree karma on previous forums have lead to group of people picking on someone by each clicking - karma then that person being hated by the community as they think "hmmm i wonder why that is better not talk to that person" attitude but on the plus side it shows people who is generally helpfull and in somecases who are the popular people in the community thus leading to i want to be like them and them helping people to so yeah
awwwwww people didnt liek u :< CURSE YOU -5ERS IN KARMA!!!!
Voted nuh
I nevah get karma :<
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This is a really dumb question.....What's karma for?
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I want an option where we can switch it on or off.
Voted: No
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I don't really pay attention to karma and I don't really give it out. Admittedly I did bite one person though because they annoyed me. But the rest of the time I don't bother. I forget it's there.
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I barely even notice Karma on this site- or any other, for that matter. I don't really see the problem with it. But, if people are getting offended, they can simply turn it off ^^ You just have to do a little sleuthing to find it ;)
There is no Karma button.... Ive looked several times (including just now) and I dont see a karma button. Because its not there. Yet, hopefully.
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Karma give you an idea of some people and how they are though.
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On another site I frequent its called reputation/rep, and you can give a person good rep and bad rep. It also tells you on the control panel who gave you what rep and the reason why.
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I Has No Karma :(
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I don't mind karma, I actually like giving it out to people :U
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Karma is now just starting to irk me. For real.
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I don't really mind it XD. When I look at it I'm always like O: I HAS POSITIVE KARMA?! and get all excited like it's a holiday or something.
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I like to get karma and i like to give karma ^.^
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Honestly.. I'm a bit torn about this.
I like the Karma option, because not only does it have the ability to boost someone's ego, after they've done something good. It /can/ give you an idea of who's helpful. People with like, 80 Karma have obviously done something right to get to that point. Plus, I feel good after I've clicked someone's nuzzle button. I feel like I've done something nice xD
But I don't think there should be a bite button.. It will lead to people getting bullied because of their negative Karma number and such. Whether they did something to deserve it, or not... I think you should only be able to give Karma, not take it away.
I also like the idea of being able to turn it off and on. This way, if someone just doesn't want anything to do with the Karma drama, they can just shut if off. Then they won't have to worry about whether their Karma has gone up or down today, and they won't have to feel bad about themselves if someone bites them lol
Karma can be good and bad.. in the end, I voted no. I like to give out Karma. I think it's a nice gesture to nuzzle someone :3
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The Karma can be obused, if it's going to stay, you can at least know who had sent you your good or bad Karma to see who is obusoing the function.
I also must stake it is some compeititon for people too, I've seen a lot of people on the forums aurging about Karma in game. So I personality think it isn't a very Karmary or positive action.
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I'd much rather just take out the negative numbers in karma rather than get rid of it.
People with negative karma are the one's most likely to get looked upon as a person who's done something wrong. If the minimum number was 0, then you wouldn't be able to tell if that person was bitten until their karma was gone or if they just haven't been given positive karma yet. :U
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Honestly.. I'm a bit torn about this.
I like the Karma option, because not only does it have the ability to boost someone's ego, after they've done something good. It /can/ give you an idea of who's helpful. People with like, 80 Karma have obviously done something right to get to that point. Plus, I feel good after I've clicked someone's nuzzle button. I feel like I've done something nice xD
But I don't think there should be a bite button.. It will lead to people getting bullied because of their negative Karma number and such. Whether they did something to deserve it, or not... I think you should only be able to give Karma, not take it away.
I also like the idea of being able to turn it off and on. This way, if someone just doesn't want anything to do with the Karma drama, they can just shut if off. Then they won't have to worry about whether their Karma has gone up or down today, and they won't have to feel bad about themselves if someone bites them lol
Karma can be good and bad.. in the end, I voted no. I like to give out Karma. I think it's a nice gesture to nuzzle someone :3
I agree with this post. I like giving Karma as much as revieving them. It makes me feel good inside ^^
However, if maybe the bite option was taken away, it would be better. I haven't really heard any arguments about this yet but that could mainly be I've only recently started coming on here. However, I can see that happening, and I came across one or two posts having issues with Karma.
I also like the turning on and off option. That can be very useful. And maybe a hidden option, so if you don't want others to see your karma, you can hide it, like you can hide your email address.
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I vote yes to a species board. If i cant vote on it, i say yes anyway. :P
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..This isn't even about a species board. >w>
Back on topic, I changed my vote to no. It shouldn't go. I love giving out karma, I only bite if I feel the person has done something wrong by the community, not myself. I don't bite people for disagreeing with me. I respect all opinions.
HOWEVER... I do think an on/off switch should be added. Some people don't like it much.
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Honestly, it should go.
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I've turned to mix-mix, right now, I agree it is very often abused, I saw a very talented member, who helped out and was king, had -20 Karma, I reviewed the posts, and there was nothing wrong about them.
It also can be quite intimidating if you think about it, some person might have around 20 Karma, while the others, have around 9 (like me)
On the other hand, it might make it easier in choosing future MotM, not only do the moderators/admins look at how they post, I believe they are also chosen by their stats. :3
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I dont even know what the karma thing is at all :-\
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Here, Death The Kid, this topic will help you with Karma.
http://feral-heart.com/index.php?option=com_jfusion&Itemid=2&jfile=index.php&topic=3499.0 (http://feral-heart.com/index.php?option=com_jfusion&Itemid=2&jfile=index.php&topic=3499.0)
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More people seem to want karma to stay lol
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Indeed. x3 I'm not really desided yet, since there are some good points about it. =3
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I think we should, or give users the option to switch it on/off. So the people who want it on can have it on, and those who want it off can have it off.
This idea is great. It may make some people feel happy when they come on and see that they have one more point of karma. But maybe they don't want to deal with the karma, so they just shut it off.
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Rak, we would like for it to stay, but for an option to turn it on/off please. 8D (Or, so far, that's what it looks like to me. xD)
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Yes, please, an option to turn it off. Because mine is going off as soon as it becomes official.
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IMO, if it was switched to being able to be turned off/on, would that make much of a difference? I mean, people with it on will still see each other's Karma. And would still judge. It would be less of a problem, of course. However, I'm going with the option of it completely gone, or here to stay completely.
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My karma is probably going to shoot down drasically because of a certain grudge that I'm holding, but also karma goes does down for several reasons.
I'd prefer it if it was gone, because honestly, I don't care how "good" I am, and care even less about how "bad" I am. What I do care about is the judging. You have no right to judge me if you don't know me and karma gives an unfair voice in my option and this probably goes for others as well.
Just saying.
/kanyeshrug
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^ What she said.
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Thanks Axel x3
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Hmm well... an On and Off option is probably better than getting rid of it all together, since once you've had a high Karma rate, it makes you feel better in a sense. A little more confident with your posts. =3
But if your karma is low, I think you should defently have that option, because if you turn it off, you can have the option of getting rid of your karma score or leaving it until turned back on.
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Hmm well... an On and Off option is probably better than getting rid of it all together, since once you've had a high Karma rate, it makes you feel better in a sense. A little more confident with your posts. =3
But if your karma is low, I think you should defently have that option, because if you turn it off, you can have the option of getting rid of your karma score or leaving it until turned back on.
Why should you rely on karma to feel good about yourself? Honestly...really? Or why should you let it dictate your posts? Honestly, I couldn't care if I had -20 karma or 120...It's the opinions of people I will never meet in my life and therefore don't count.
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I dun like it
This is a normal forum - not Gaia xD
I'd wouldn't mind it if it could like... be used it as a currency for pixel shop of something xD
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I agree to it in that fact that it helps show who is a reliable sorce to listen too, but i also very much disagree on it because it is just a way for trolls and other people to flame a person (as probably already stated). If anything, i think on possitive karma should be allowed
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I think we should get rid of the Karma option. I have noticed (not on this forum but the old one) that people who tended to get a lot of 'bites', turned into trolls etc. For some people, they seem to see it that the comunity desides who they are. Maybe, for those who wish to keep the Karma option, it would be useful for when you 'bite' or 'nuzzle' someone, you should have to give a reason.
Just an idea. x
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58 people missed the Yes get rid of it button
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58 people missed the Yes get rid of it button
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Trololol <3 I was thinking the same thing.
I don't care either way I guess, I just don't see why it's here. Lolz
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If the karma system stays, I think it would be good if the time limit between of how often you can nuzzle and bite were increased mucho mas. Just not enough right now.
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^ Yes x10 to that. xD
Something like two hours, idk. xD
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I remember an old forum I was in had it set that you could only give karma once a day.
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karma once a day would be good enough in my eyes, maybe some of you see it differently, don't really see any downs in the current situation.
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I agree with Red, karma once day is a good idea.
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Karma once a day would be perfect. I see no better solution if it's here to stay~
It would lower the abuse of it, etc.
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Karma each day? Nice idea, however, if I where going to agree with that option, you could use the nuzzle every half an hour, and Bite once an hour.
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Nah I say get rid of it. It has no point at all, really. :B
But if it's to stay.. Nah, I suppose nuzzling/biting once a day would be good.
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They should remove the 'Bite' and leave 'Nuzzle'. Bitieng is kinda mean, and if you wish to report someone, just talk to an Admin. Simple as that.
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If the karma stays you should only be able to bite down to zero.
And not '-1' or what so ever.
And giving karma only once a day is complete win.
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hey everyone, take a look at my karma!! its not me, people are just targeting me for NO reason! i am really a good person, but my karma says otherwise! judgmental people out there may only take a quick look at my karma and go "eeew that person is baaaaad." hehehe, well it not me! but apparently, some people really think it is!
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In my opinion, if they are judging you by your low Karma, then they're not really worth interacting with in the first place XD I know you Liyese, you'r a good person, and I stick with innocent until proven guilty. And you are undeserving of that low karma in my eyes.
And this thread is for discussion on whether you want the karma gone or not XD Or lengthening the time between bites so bite abuse can be brought down.
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thanks kyu, *nuzzles* your a great person as well; ya always make me feel better <33333 XD
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Well, I'm not saying it's a reason to bite someone, but quite some time ago I saw you double post, tripple post, jumping from threads even though people gave answers in one of your other help threads pretty much ignoring what they said there. Using caps and exclaimation marks very very much. And such things. That "could" be a reason why some did this. Not everyone likes that exactly. Just thought I'd point that out since I remembered it.
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................ Well gee, thanks. okay
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Red is just saying that what he said up there could be the reason you are being bitten.
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maybe some, but definalty not all of the bites
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It could be, honestly. And another reason may be you complaining about being bitten so much? It can become overly annoying. People don't exactly appreciate people crying out for attention of karma. :c
I suggest you don't let it bother you. ^^ ~ I'm not bothered by karma, hehe.
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Maybe nuzzle/bite limit every 12 hours?
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Yep. Sometimes people bite for the sake of biting, and some people have a legit reason. Its not all the time something big. I have to admit, I bite people for the things your doing (or did) now Liyese.
-Whining (Attention grabbing is a nicer way to put it I guess...)
-Ignoring help you asked for
-Double,Triple posting
-Constant off topic discussion (Which I have seen you do but havent bitten you yet)
-Excessive use of "!"s and "?"s (Annoys me the most and I have bitten people for this reason. Its extremely pointless to use excessive exclamation and Question marks. It makes the post look "childish" and of very poor quality. I always hold back on biting people for something so small though. I have seen you do this but I've yet to bite you for it.)
I dont find it good mannered of a member to do any of these things I guess. But I can definitely assure you, I havent bitten you yet. Because I havent witnessed you do these things yet. Unlike others who bite because of what others say or because you have low karma anyway.
Thats why Im totally fed up with Karma right now. -_- Karma makes people who have done nothing wrong look like horrible people just because they have negative numbers under their name. If you ask me, thats a pathetic way to judge someone. Just my opinion there.
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Someone's messing with my karma and I know who it is as well, so it's not too smart. I don't really touch the bite button, but when I do, I have a legit reason.
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Maybe nuzzle/bite limit every 12 hours?
That sounds like a good idea. o:
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Maybe nuzzle/bite limit every 12 hours?
Yes, perhaps you could use the Nuzzle every 10 hours (if it's possible)? Since I don't think a nuzzle is an ''abusive'' feature. x3
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I think we should, or give users the option to switch it on/off. So the people who want it on can have it on, and those who want it off can have it off.
well what if someone says somethin rude they will then turn off theyre karma and maybe bite people and turn it off before they can bite back.
whats karma for anyway?
just my opinion
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Karma's useless. o3o Just to boost ego's or make a person feel bad over a small mistake. xDDD
You shouldn't care, because karma's not a big deal, but it should be put away IMO.
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I voted 'yes.'
Having been on a few forums and run some myself, I would say I don't think "karma" is very appropriate. I'm sorry I haven't had time to read all of the posts, but here's my thoughts. I would just like to state that I am NOT mentioning anybody on FeralHeart personally in this post: I'm going to quote Garganator, but there is nothing written here personally about anybody. It is simply about my own experiences on other forums. :)
From what I have seen, it is pretty frequent that people nuzzle(exalt) their friends and it seems fairly easy to rationalise this with a "valid" reason. Is friendship really a good reason to boost points?
Smiting/biting people who might disagree with you or for personal reasons offsite is something that I have come across personally before.
I would think it is extremely easy for somebody who might disagree with the general tone of a thread to have their points knocked for seeming annoying or unamicable because they have ideas you reject, even if they state them politely, which is unfair. Again, I have witnessed this. The personal opinions of other users should NOT, in my opinion, directly affect your profile.
I also would like to comment that I think, no matter how open-minded you are, if you see somebody with "-90 karma" you are probably a little more likely to make negative assumptions about them as adverse to someone with high karma. We are all prone to being at least a little assumptive because that is human nature.
From what I gather, the main points of karma are to a) provide feedback to the user and/or b) display this feedback to others. (Considering it is not a private system viewable only to the user, but to the public as well, I would say it is both.)
The feedback to the user is hard not to take personally: "I feel achieved when I am nuzzled." What about if you were bitten? You'd probably feel the opposite, right? It's a system that need not be there: I would rather feel I'd achieved something because I did somebody a nice favour rather than recieving +1. It's a superficial and fictitious reward system and it is not an accurate representation of anyone. You cannot do a black-and-white sum of how "nice" and "helpful" somebody is because it is all in the eye of the beholder. In the past, even some people who I find extremely rude, callous, ungracious and downright annoying sometimes have a lot karma! No doubt, they probably feel very achieved and their egos very much stroked!
I also think karma veers dangerously in the direction of creating classes. I have seen people advertising virtual goods state in their own rules, "If your karma is in the -ves, do not apply. I can't trust you." Ouch!
In short, I definitely think we should get rid of karma. It doesn't serve much of a purpose, in my opinion, other than to create classes and unsupported projected images of people that are wholly inaccurate.
Oh, I would also just like to note that I have always had what I'd consider to be "high" karma, from what I remember.
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^I cant agree more! Every word of this is pure truth.
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Couldn't have said it better Star. :D
Long educational post is ftw. Can't agree more on the part of nuzzling friends and biting enemies. I've seen it happen a lot myself on other forums, especially on ProBoards where you can actually see who exalts/smites someone. It's definitely not what karma should be used for, although people still do it [I'm not referring to this site specifically]. Well, the exact opposite. From what I've seen, often, people who serve others, in many different ways like drawing for them or something like that, get a lot of karma. On the other hand, people who are actually being helpful and provide information, as well as pointing out the flaws in an opinion, rather receive bites than nuzzles, simply because some people cannot get over themselves and admit someone else is right apart themselves.
I think just this reason is enough to get rid of karma. Really, it does not do much other than just stroking people's egos, like it has been pointed out already.
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Couldn't have said it better Star. :D
Long educational post is ftw. Can't agree more on the part of nuzzling friends and biting enemies. I've seen it happen a lot myself on other forums, especially on ProBoards where you can actually see who exalts/smites someone.
Yeah; ProBoards forums are exactly what I mean, and toward the end of running my last one I disabled karma for the very reason it was being abused due to people's personal feelings. Heh, yes... my TL;DRish ramble is very TL;DRish, ha ha ha. :)
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I think we should keep karma. It's usually how you say "Thank you" to people, or to show that you don't like something they did, or whatevah.
And if the Bite causes problems, get rid of the Bite option. Make it so we only have good karma.
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I don't think it should be taken away completely but I think it should be able to be hiden or shown, I know I have friends who are proud of there karma and some who are embarised and feel like people judge them on it.
Also as for showing who bit or nuzzleled you maybe not such a good idea that will cause retaliation/cause drama between members keeping it anonymous will keep the peace.
Maybe when it comes to biting an anonymous message will be sent to the reciever from the giver explaining why they were bitten wether it be rude posts etc. And if you really want it to be known then you can show your name.
Or mabye an anonymous button for all posts, pms every thing. Although there is second judgments on that as well....... I just don't know :S
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Hidden or shown = Opt in or Opt Out.
That option would solve a lot and make everyone happy, dunno' why the forum still doesn't have that kind of thing. Seeing as all of the coding they've done, adding another code couldn't hurt it too much. xD
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It'd make everyone on the forums a lot more equal in my opinion.. I also know that on most forums and boards the karma option can be abused in various ways.
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I think its a little to early to deside, since I've been patroling the member search, and I haven't seen much 'abusing' in a way. Perhaps time will tell if the polls are right, but I personaly do not want them taken off, its not just because I'm enjoying having some karma, I enjoy seeing the karma option.
I know others will differ my opionon... x3
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Yes the karma really seems pointless..... I never seen a forum with karma before o.O
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Hidden or shown = Opt in or Opt Out.
That option would solve a lot and make everyone happy, dunno' why the forum still doesn't have that kind of thing. Seeing as all of the coding they've done, adding another code couldn't hurt it too much. xD
Like I said before I didn't want the karma option taken out, so yes I agree with this, (again x3)
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I believe we should get rid of the "Bite" option or just get rid of the "Karma" feature for good, because there are some younger kids on here, and I don't know about you guys, but when I was in middle school, I was so self-conscious of what people thought about me. I'm going out on a limb and say that I don't think any of us want anyone coming away from the site with negative feelings either towards themselves or others.
That's just my bit. And I voted "yes", but my first choice would be to jut get rid of the "bite" option and keep the rest. There are a few sites that I'm a member of that have a similar system and it seems to work great.
Ok I'm done now!
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I think it should stay, as people who care about their Karma will be good. I like it as a way to "thumbs up, thumbs down" posts. I nuzzle people who give questions with an informative answer, create art, or contribute to conversation. I bite people who say something offensive, spam, troll or are all around unpleasant people to have on the forum. I find it prevents me from commenting, which will just get me bitten for feeding the troll. It's also stopped me from messaging an offender after their thread has been locked.
Also, by removing the feature, it'll be like telling every single forum user that thye cannot be trusted with a fun feature. I'd be more offended by that then any "bite"
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But if someone disagrees with you would you bite them? I mean i totally disagree with you here and am sorely tempted to press the "bite" icon, but that would be uncouth. Yet, the temptation is still there.
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Just because you disagree with ppl.. doesnt mean you have to bite them.
as far as i know Sameth stated their own opinion. pls respect it.
right now youre just doing opposite of what you belive and wrote.
I dont care if my karma goes down, though its a nice thing to have it positive, thats when i actually look at it. If it wouldnt be (and it wasnt always) i just ignore it altogether, as i know best who i am, and im not a bad person.
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as i know best who i am, and im not a bad person.
^ This.
People, your karma on a site doesn't say anything about you as long as you know you're a good person. And honestly, that's all you have to know. Karma on this site says nothing about who you are, you should know who you are. Don't let the internet dictate you.
(Sorry if anyone was offended by that, cause I know a few people who would be. o.e And that was a bit offtopic. Sorry. xD)
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I do not see the big issue with Karma, however I haven't really encountered any other site other than proboards that uses Karma, and even Proboards has a handy Opt-Out code out there for users.
For the sake of fairness, I say keep it, but only if you can acquire a opt in and out option. Otherwise.. I say byebye to Karma! =]
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Maybe just change the karma system? Like, you get karma if you are active.
Example, if you have been active for 5 hours you get 1 karma. And if you are active in the forum you get karma? And if somone doing something stupid they can lost one karma point?
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^ That has the be, the best idea for karma I have heard.
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For karma addicts:
Login forever on a computer, refresh the page every now and then, and voila, non activity, activity karma! Rock solid!
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I dislike Karma since it is a dumb option, but most Users like it. I already asked Raz about this, but the Karma Option has no feature to let Users switch it on or off. The Forum we use enables it for everyone or no one, no other choose.
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So how come teh Tigg has none? I want none -bawls eyes out and flings herself on Tigg-
Sorry -.-
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So how come teh Tigg has none? I want none -bawls eyes out and flings herself on Tigg-
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Tigg has the power to change her karma XD Tigg set it to under -50000 before XD Perhaps if you ask nicely Tigg will set you to zero XD
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I had noticed Tigg's dramatic changes in karma, I don't mind it really, although I find it a tad unfair - who really cares in the end, however? ^^
It appears, obviously, that a large majority of the forum do not want it removed. However have they provided a good reason as to why not? o: I'm just curious. =]
Edit: WOAH. o_o; Typo.
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I had noticed Tigg's dramatic changes in karma, I don't mind it really, although I find it a tad unfair - who really cares in the end, however? ^^
It appears, obviously, that a large majority of the forum do not want it removed. However have they provided a good reason as to why not? o: I'm just curious. =]
Owlfeesh... you might want to change the spelling in that post...
*Edited as asked XD
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o_____o Holy god that's a horrible typo. Thanks for pointing that out to me. XD Do you mind editing your post to also rid of the type in my quoted text? :3
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Sure, I'll edit. I laughed so hard when I saw that typo XD
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About my own Karma, no, i havent changed it. I ranted that much to Razmirz that he killed my Karma to constant 0.
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I lost several points karma today and it prompted me to search my previous posts to make sure I hadn't said anything dumb or offensive. It lets me know how I'm really behaving, as opposed to how I think I am. I care a lot about what people think of me, and with my activity levels I find it important to show I'm the type who can be a role model, as new posters will be looking up to me (Especially as my post count rises). It also helps prevent people from getting upset when someone else says something rude. They'd see that the rude person has a low karma, and it lets them know that the forum is aware of this person's behavior, and isn't tolerating it.
Low karma isn't too hard to recover from either, I spent quite awhile with a - karma when I first started. I've only seen one person with a karma below -5, and a group got together to raise it back to zero.
I just say we take it lightly, and have fun with it.
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Its not fun when people abuse it.
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Its not fun when people abuse it.
I haven't seen a single case of it being abused yet... but I haven't been here as long as others. Do you have an example of a situation?
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Im not calling out any names, but a few users have suffered from karma fluctuations, like myself. Like, if I were to say something in a debate with someone and they totally disagree with me, they DO have the ability to bite me every chance they get just because they dont agree. Its happened to me, except I know it wasnt just one person.
Plus, people will judge you over karma. Say if I have -6 karma (which I did a one time) people will think I did something stupid and think that Im such a stupid person. Or respond to me negatively because of a stupid number. It does happen whether you see it or not. Which is why I really do want an on/off button. Because I dont want to be looked down upon because I expressed my opinion. That kind of stuff makes people not want to express their views at all.
Now not everyone cares about karma. I myself am trying not to care so much about what people here think about me. But other people really do care and their feelings might be hurt when they log on to find that people are biting them over and over because of one mistake.
I hate karma because of what it makes people think. I'd rather people tell me they dont agree with me then be bitten a thousand times over by people that weren't even in the convo.
Ive been here since a little after this forum was opened. And Ive seen some crazy negative karma amounts. One person had -20 karma. Maybe a little more. I kid you not.
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Im not calling out any names, but a few users have suffered from karma fluctuations, like myself. Like, if I were to say something in a debate with someone and they totally disagree with me, they DO have the ability to bite me every chance they get just because they dont agree. Its happened to me, except I know it wasnt just one person.
Plus, people will judge you over karma. Say if I have -6 karma (which I did a one time) people will think I did something stupid and think that Im such a stupid person. Or respond to me negatively because of a stupid number. It does happen whether you see it or not. Which is why I really do want an on/off button. Because I dont want to be looked down upon because I expressed my opinion. That kind of stuff makes people not want to express their views at all.
Now not everyone cares about karma. I myself am trying not to care so much about what people here think about me. But other people really do care and their feelings might be hurt when they log on to find that people are biting them over and over because of one mistake.
I hate karma because of what it makes people think. I'd rather people tell me they dont agree with me then be bitten a thousand times over by people that weren't even in the convo.
Ive been here since a little after this forum was opened. And Ive seen some crazy negative karma amounts. One person had -20 karma. Maybe a little more. I kid you not.
Within one day, I went from 26 karma to 0. So yes, I've gone through quite a few karma fluctuation in truth.
I'd say, an off/on button, or simply be able to disable it..
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Id say keep it but perhaps with some sites, only a limit a day of scolding someone, unlimited approving someone. Some take it way to much to heart bout what the number says, but i do admit its nice off and on to see someone appreciated what i said or posted to grant me a point. I dont mind either way it goes, but its nice to have it around.
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I think we should get rid of it. There isn't much of a point to it, except make people feel good about themselves or bad. I mean, maybe we should keep it. If we got like a karma shop where we could spend our karma or something. But without that I think we should just get rid of it.
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I really would like something that stops peeps getting - karma, since I've seen people getting that, and thats probably influencing them to get rid of it, and they dont see the brighter side of karma if you know what I mean, when I see karma like mine, I feel good since I know I've done something good etc.
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There just needs to be a Karma Opt-In and Out option.
That way people who don't like it can opt out, people who do can keep it.
It's a win-win.
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hmm maybe.
I really dont mind whatever happens.
My karma did go down since a few days because someone has different opinions then me... or they felt offended by one of my comments, where i clearly wrote: sorry if anyone is offended, i didnt mean to.
its just some childish "punishment" ppl try to give to others. Dont forget we are all humans, and we want to win. if we loose an argument then we want justice. so... biteeeee....
anyway.
so i dont care.
i only look at my karma if i have it positive. if its negative or 0... who cares, i ignore it... i know the best who i am. and if ppl are so childish to judge by karma (by simple numbers) then its their own problem, not the persons who has that karma...
i myself dont see any problem with it.
but whatever the most thinks. we live in democracy.
(dont forget: that you want something, doesnt mean everyone or the most wants it so. so whatever the most ppl want)
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I have almost constant negative karma. I'm hated, yay.
I want -666 karma, because i'm that cool.
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My karma did go down since a few days because someone has different opinions then me... or they felt offended by one of my comments, where i clearly wrote: sorry if anyone is offended, i didnt mean to.
its just some childish "punishment" ppl try to give to others. Dont forget we are all humans, and we want to win. if we loose an argument then we want justice. so... biteeeee....
This.
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Well I think karma is a good thing cause then we know if we have good ideas or not... I always give people a nuzzle ^_^ if they make good points or ideas, and I think they should be told that... through karma. I rarely bite people, unless they do something really bad
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I'm going to have to say, neither. There is not a karma switch yet, no, but I agree fully on both sides, I've seen negative karma on people-- so I checked it out, and someone got mad most of the time at the person and went and toldtheir friends -- hey, that's the one who disagreed, bite them. :/ However, (like me), it makes people happy toknow they are appreciated. I only have 6 nuzzles and I feel happy about it. I think the necessary option is a switch. I checked, there isn't one.
We need it.
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I generely cannot really decide on wether it should be taken out. There are both positives and negatives for the Karma. I'm generaly just repeating the pulbic.
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Mhm, and that is why I offer the switch. :]
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It should be an Opt-In and Out button. I think it's funny that people who say they want it as an option also voted 'No'. There really needs to be another option added to this poll. LOL
Like Kahara said earlier, Karma is just a way to stroke people's ego's, or to bash people who are usually undeserving of it, just because they don't like your opinion. So, it really should be taken out, because both of those can end up bad. If you let people get a big head, they get all high and mighty, which they aren't. If they get bitten a lot, assuming it was for no reason, then it's makes you angry, sad, and makes you want to troll. Not saying that people who get a lot of karma have big heads, and those who have little are trolls, but I know some people who do this because of Karma, and I've seen it happen. LOL
I'll say Opt-In/Out though, because a lot of people seem to like giving Karma, and I can make a compromise, I suppose, if people like me who want it removed at least have the option to turn it off for only us. Except I'm not sure if I'm alone in that regard. :P
EDIT: .. I just realized I posted twice, I didn't see it before. Oops. If a mod wants they can delete the earlier one, I really didn't see it somehow. :x
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I changed my vote. Keep the karma!