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Title: Why has the YT community turned so cruel? (Warning; Rant.)
Post by: SophyTheLioness on June 21, 2016, 09:11:56 pm
Not many of you might have seen this video but... Guys...
Today, youtube put a "rainbow heart icon" next to their logo. Many of you know what it means, when clicking it, you could go to this video in particular:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtCyepuLt8Q

But...
The video is perfect.
it was.
Until i saw the comment box and the likes/dislikes part.
Out of 2.302.000 views, 107K were dislikes, only 87k were likes.

I was so damn sad to see so many homophobic comments in such a big community, then i realized the YT community was almost rotten to the core :( , the fact that the world still has people who feel repulse towards people who simply have different likes and dislikes, i even saw some nazi and pretty racist comments. It was so freaking sad, that i decided to share this with all of you, i want to remind you all that we should stay the same, FH is a much greater community than what i've thought until now; we have a LOT of users, and i bet most of them tolerate LGBT, if you don't, its okay, but i haven't seen any attacks towards LGBT people on here yet, and that makes me proud because we're a LOT of persons, big big crowds, also big hearts. I just wanted to take this weight out of my back, you're free to give out your opinions.
Sorry if this thread causes problems, i just want to express my worry for this increasing homophobia.
Title: Re: Why has the YT community turned so cruel? (Warning; Rant.)
Post by: Hakumi on June 21, 2016, 09:24:37 pm
Truly it is sad, but everyone is entitled to their own opinions and such and they're free to express it, even though there will be a few people out there that would see otherwise. In My Opinion I didn't even know about the cute icon until now and I think it's a nice little change since YouTube usually changes / add things that associates to the occasions that could be happening around the world and it's probably out of respect.

But as long as we have helpful, supportive people out there, the community doesn't have to be so cruel or heartless because there's some good in it, if that makes sense. Times change and so do people's way of thinking because we're constantly evolving, while others remain the same and again, it's how they view things. It may not be the same reasoning or the way you may want to see it. But we also have to allow their right to speak out on what they feel about it.

We can try and tell them one thing but it'll be like talking to a brick wall and some are stubborn or just don't / aren't ready to accept and we have to at least consider / respect their opinions and move away from it because it could potential hurt / wound them.
Title: Re: Why has the YT community turned so cruel? (Warning; Rant.)
Post by: Reaper on June 21, 2016, 09:29:31 pm
I saw the video, and the comments were very impolite, and very rude. It is upsetting to see people still haven't accepted the LGBT community. People should accept what someone is. It does not matter if there different, they are still human being and have feelings. LGBT people are people, and should be accepted and valued. We are all people, and should accept each other differences. If people don't like the LGBT community they should just move on with there life, and ignore it instead of being rude, and making hate comments on them.
Title: Re: Why has the YT community turned so cruel? (Warning; Rant.)
Post by: CosmoFursi on June 21, 2016, 09:32:17 pm
Yes, it's very sad that people dislike such a nice thing. I honestly don't understand why people don't like that. Such a shame.

Sadly, there's no changing the way people see things. Trying to tell them how ok the thing is won't change anything. But that's just humanity.

It's not just people on YouTube who are like that. The whole world is full of people like that. Nyeh, I will never understand people. I just kinda... Let them think what they want? I don't really worry about it too much.

Reading the comments though... *mega sigh*
Title: Re: Why has the YT community turned so cruel? (Warning; Rant.)
Post by: ArcticGalaxy on June 21, 2016, 09:46:35 pm
It is quite depressing and sad. People always complain about how much this world is just falling apart what with all the wars and hate going on. But then they will go nuts over something like this just because they refuse to accept it. What a twisted world we live in...
Title: Re: Why has the YT community turned so cruel? (Warning; Rant.)
Post by: RisingDemise on June 22, 2016, 01:50:39 am
The Youtube Comment section in such a case is hardly even filled with real people. I doubt any of them would actually have the guts to tell them such awful things to their face. For a video about tolerance the comment section isn't the slightest bit tolerable. I for one think it's a very nice video. If people want to be who they want to be, then let them. I don't know why people have to always be offended by every little thing, especially when it has nothing to do with them. I think the best thing to do here is... pretend that the youtube commenters just don't exist.
Title: Re: Why has the YT community turned so cruel? (Warning; Rant.)
Post by: Jango_Fett on June 22, 2016, 03:14:12 pm
Who cares what other people think about something you did not create/make?

It's their opinions, that they are totally entitled to, and if that's how they feel, than that's how they feel.

Hell, they may have liked the message but not the video.

It won't matter in the long-run so it's not really worth fussing or complaining over, in my truly honest opinion.
This is the internet, no one is here to really cater to anyone's views, and you will always find opposition to your beliefs, ways of living, etc.
The Internet favors no one, and neither do the people who use it.

I'm sorry if this sounds cruel, but it's the way things are.
Title: Re: Why has the YT community turned so cruel? (Warning; Rant.)
Post by: Wyldercat on June 22, 2016, 03:50:18 pm
Welll a lot of Youtube is trolls, first off. They find amusement into baiting people into acting "triggered" and ranting to them.
Or even in real life, LGBT goes against certain cultures. I mean, I'm closeted bi and I'm wary to come out to my own parents.

It's not that this makes the world a bad place or anything, it's just hard for our demographic.

Also, this may seem mean, or cruel, but keep in mind, this is how me and many other LGBTs feel.
The more attention you put on something, even with good intentions, the outcome is usually bad.
A. With all these people blowing the whole LGBT thing out of proportion and making this whole section on youtube, it almost feels... mocking. I honestly couldn't tell if any one of those people were actually LGBT, or just getting paid by Google so that they could look better as a website. It also makes it more likely that non-LGBT supporters would get annoyed, and if an extremist comes along, we could have another shooting like what happened in Orlando.
B. People might claim to be LGBT for attention and exaggerate stereotypes and be very immature and make other, REAL LGBTs feel embarrassed. Or if people make up "nonsense" identities, that's what the internet sees, and they label the whole demographic as behaving that way as a result.

Sorry this got a little ranty, I'm just stating how I feel.
Title: Re: Why has the YT community turned so cruel? (Warning; Rant.)
Post by: Cherryheart on June 22, 2016, 04:04:55 pm
Apparently a portion of the users are from 4chan and reddit.
Title: Re: Why has the YT community turned so cruel? (Warning; Rant.)
Post by: Raddlegoose on June 22, 2016, 04:22:38 pm
  I just lost faith in humanity again... The comment section is so filled with jerks who think someone expressing who they are is bad. :I
Title: Re: Why has the YT community turned so cruel? (Warning; Rant.)
Post by: Skullfrost on June 22, 2016, 08:04:44 pm
Who cares what other people think about something you did not create/make?

It's their opinions, that they are totally entitled to, and if that's how they feel, than that's how they feel.

Hell, they may have liked the message but not the video.

It won't matter in the long-run so it's not really worth fussing or complaining over, in my truly honest opinion.
This is the internet, no one is here to really cater to anyone's views, and you will always find opposition to your beliefs, ways of living, etc.
The Internet favors no one, and neither do the people who use it.

I'm sorry if this sounds cruel, but it's the way things are.

we care because we're being literally murdered

like literally, lgbt+ people are being murdered for their sexuality. that's why we're pissed about homophobia and people who act like this.

because they want us dead.
Title: Re: Why has the YT community turned so cruel? (Warning; Rant.)
Post by: Wyldercat on June 22, 2016, 08:18:26 pm
Who cares what other people think about something you did not create/make?

It's their opinions, that they are totally entitled to, and if that's how they feel, than that's how they feel.

Hell, they may have liked the message but not the video.

It won't matter in the long-run so it's not really worth fussing or complaining over, in my truly honest opinion.
This is the internet, no one is here to really cater to anyone's views, and you will always find opposition to your beliefs, ways of living, etc.
The Internet favors no one, and neither do the people who use it.

I'm sorry if this sounds cruel, but it's the way things are.

we care because we're being literally murdered

like literally, lgbt+ people are being murdered for their sexuality. that's why we're pissed about homophobia and people who act like this.

because they want us dead.

We're being murdered by people, not by fake accounts on Youtube.
We should be worried about radical homophobes and extremist groups such as ISIS, not some 12 year olds who can't accept moving pictures on a screen.
There are more important issues for the LGBT community than some rude people on the internet. That's why the Youtube comments don't matter. Living our lives regardless of the hate, however, does matter, so we can look up from our screens and carry on.
Title: Re: Why has the YT community turned so cruel? (Warning; Rant.)
Post by: malachitelace on June 22, 2016, 08:22:55 pm
I personally have not seen the video, so it's possible that it's not a well made video or a portion of the dislikes are for that reason and not homophobia. Also, people are more likely to have a negative thing to say about something they dislike than a positive thing about something they like. There are probably people actively adding their negativity in the comments because they feel obligated to, and are angry. Most people who actually like the video wont really say much. I also wouldn't be surprised if somebody linked the video to a large homophobic community to funnel hate. So, because of that, that ratio of likes to dislikes and negative comments to positive ones may may not reflect the yt community. Don't assume the whole community is hateful.

HOWEVER, while yes, these are just opinions being posted, is is SUPER disrespectful to say that somebody shouldn't care for WHATEVER reason that they are being posted. Yes, people are entitled to their own opinions. Yes, I understand I cannot change their opinions. Yes, opinions by themselves are not hurtful. But when people go out of their way to promote negative behavior and negative opinions, it is HURTFUL. People in the lgbt+ community are dying everyday due to homophobia, and I refuse to respect their opinions that people like myself deserve to die. These are not "innocent" opinions, it is hate speech that is ruining peoples lives. So no, I am not going to respect their opinions or ignore what they say. Sorry, just trying to put things into perspective.

Edit: Yeah, I understand that most of the comments are just 12 year olds, or fake accounts, or old people who aren't gonna kill anyone, etc. etc., but in the long run, homophobia is homophobia. People like this are still the people who will bully lgbt+ kids, parents who disrespect their lgbt+ children, people who will spit at or tear gay couples apart in public, and/or people protesting and voting against on equality laws.  And even if not, they will support the people who do and validate them.  
Title: Re: Why has the YT community turned so cruel? (Warning; Rant.)
Post by: SophyTheLioness on June 23, 2016, 03:20:55 am
I didn't want to reply to my own thread, but i feel like i need to;
Not every opinion is right, really. Hitler's opinion on jews was pretty horrible and i'm pretty sure nobody said "Oh well, it's his opinion so just ignore or leave him alone."
Not all opinions are right, as i briefly mentioned before, yes, it's ok not to like something, but... Is it really necessary to feed and fuel everyone with hate for someone's sexual orientation? It does not affect them, at all! Yes, it's very natural to have dislikes and likes! But i feel pretty ashamed to know this kind of things happen nowadays. And, i have to agree with a few of y'all; some people might be LGBT only because its almost seen as a fashion for a lot of people, and to be honest i think that's one of the main reasons of hate towards the LGBT community, and it should be taken seriously, not just as a joke, a prank or a fashion. It's a way of life afterall.

I think i won't be replying too much from now on.

By the way, as a reply to Twisted Lizard's post:

Yes, we should worry about ISIS and radical homophobes a lot too, but children grow.
Don't let children grow with the wrong ideas in their heads. Because these 12 year old rude children will grow and could eventually become potential homophobes, agaisn't all LGBT rights, filled with hate and discrimination.
Children are the future of the world, if we can't educate children about respecting eachothers lives peacefully... How will our future be, then?

And...
insta +1 to malachite's post. Opinions are opinions but not all are inofensive. They actually make people depressed.
Title: Re: Why has the YT community turned so cruel? (Warning; Rant.)
Post by: Jango_Fett on June 23, 2016, 02:52:04 pm
Who cares what other people think about something you did not create/make?

It's their opinions, that they are totally entitled to, and if that's how they feel, than that's how they feel.

Hell, they may have liked the message but not the video.

It won't matter in the long-run so it's not really worth fussing or complaining over, in my truly honest opinion.
This is the internet, no one is here to really cater to anyone's views, and you will always find opposition to your beliefs, ways of living, etc.
The Internet favors no one, and neither do the people who use it.

I'm sorry if this sounds cruel, but it's the way things are.

we care because we're being literally murdered

like literally, lgbt+ people are being murdered for their sexuality. that's why we're pissed about homophobia and people who act like this.

because they want us dead.

We're being murdered by people, not by fake accounts on Youtube.
We should be worried about radical homophobes and extremist groups such as ISIS, not some 12 year olds who can't accept moving pictures on a screen.
There are more important issues for the LGBT community than some rude people on the internet. That's why the Youtube comments don't matter. Living our lives regardless of the hate, however, does matter, so we can look up from our screens and carry on.

Exactly!
There are a lot more important things to get to, than to worry about what a bot said on a youtube video.

Yeah, hate breeds hate and all that jazz, but you really cannot do much about it. We're human, we're hateful pieces of crap, and sometimes we go out of our way to spoil certain things, even types of people.

But I do have an issue with the way you guys phrase, educate...
It sounds are if you are trying to induct people into a cult, the way you guys phrase it, just so you know. Sure you could try and tell people about it, but try to not heavily influence people to view only your views, hell, maybe they won't be okay with people loving other people of the same sex, but will let people do it regardless.
Sure it might not be the mega-win, but you know what, you're letting that kid grow up to have their own opinion, and not just yours with different words.
Just food for thought!


also just to be clear, skulleh, if we want to talk about people being murdered, if i may say it's not just you guys.
they're called christians and currently them being killed is irrelevant as is homosexuals-etc being killed over yonder, as the original topic was about a youtube video not being well-received.
but because you brought that up i will bring this up.
Title: Re: Why has the YT community turned so cruel? (Warning; Rant.)
Post by: G4RG0YLE on June 23, 2016, 03:01:07 pm
Unfortunately for humanity, not everyone can accept/agree with the same thing. We all have our own opinions and we get to choose whether to stick by it or not. Other people in society do not have the ability to change that just by words; in some cases it has to be proven. We choose whether to follow other people's opinions as well, or our own, or we follow facts. In this case, although the comment section of this particular video shows a bunch of idiots who like to show signs of homophobia; there are also some supporting and emotional comments posted. People who are being jerks are just a little bit too open-minded and immature to realise that not everyone agrees on the same terms, and many people who respect that concept will ignore the verbal cruelty of others. I'm not supporting these horrible people, but in the end there is nothing we could do except:  1) Argue with them, causing more unnecessary conflict, or 2) Move along, and enjoy the good side of things. Such as agreeing with people who have similar/the same opinions/views as yourself.
Title: Re: Why has the YT community turned so cruel? (Warning; Rant.)
Post by: m2dis123 on June 30, 2016, 09:03:50 pm
Well for me, probably for some others aswell, it is getting rather annoying that this LGBT thing is pushed in our faces. They can live without anyone disturbing. Should I be proud of being a hetero? I'm immideatly a homophobe then.
Title: Re: Why has the YT community turned so cruel? (Warning; Rant.)
Post by: Wyldercat on July 01, 2016, 07:14:24 pm
Well for me, probably for some others aswell, it is getting rather annoying that this LGBT thing is pushed in our faces. They can live without anyone disturbing. Should I be proud of being a hetero? I'm immideatly a homophobe then.

This. Honestly, it bothers me more with all the LGBT attention than it does with the harmful comments. It makes me feel awkward or on a pedestal. I like girls and guys. It's not like I'm going to make world peace. More attention = more hate.
Even Pyro made a video about it.

And also, minority becoming majority is starting to happen. Heterosexuals and cisgenders are often bullied online, and if they state that they are a certain way, and explains that they don't like the same sex (romantically), even if they say that they're ok with LGBT, they get hated on or called offensive, and everyone just plays the victim and makes them feel bad.
Even "Rainbow Parties" in the city. The idea is harmless, just a bunch of LGBTs hanging out and celebrating their identity. I've never been to one, since I'm kinda young still, but according to a family member who attended one with an LGBT friend, she was hated on immensely, and they even tried to force her to become one of them. A lot of them weren't even truly LGBT and they only "became lesbian" because of "ALL MEN ARE PIGS" type arguments, and it REALLY bothers me.
Title: Re: Why has the YT community turned so cruel? (Warning; Rant.)
Post by: m2dis123 on July 01, 2016, 10:58:44 pm
Well for me, probably for some others aswell, it is getting rather annoying that this LGBT thing is pushed in our faces. They can live without anyone disturbing. Should I be proud of being a hetero? I'm immideatly a homophobe then.

This. Honestly, it bothers me more with all the LGBT attention than it does with the harmful comments. It makes me feel awkward or on a pedestal. I like girls and guys. It's not like I'm going to make world peace. More attention = more hate.
Even Pyro made a video about it.

And also, minority becoming majority is starting to happen. Heterosexuals and cisgenders are often bullied online, and if they state that they are a certain way, and explains that they don't like the same sex (romantically), even if they say that they're ok with LGBT, they get hated on or called offensive, and everyone just plays the victim and makes them feel bad.
Even "Rainbow Parties" in the city. The idea is harmless, just a bunch of LGBTs hanging out and celebrating their identity. I've never been to one, since I'm kinda young still, but according to a family member who attended one with an LGBT friend, she was hated on immensely, and they even tried to force her to become one of them. A lot of them weren't even truly LGBT and they only "became lesbian" because of "ALL MEN ARE PIGS" type arguments, and it REALLY bothers me.

Yeah. And soon it becomes a reality that being gay is a choice, not that you're born like it. Some may surely argue that it actually already is but who am I to say which is correct.

Also something that quite some people might not be agreeing to: I disgust LGBT people doing their stuff. I have nothing against the person, I have nothing against that they may like the same gender people, but soon you'll be seeing men kissing men everywhere. I just can't wrap my head around this.

Minority is soon a majority like you said. Just in a few past years, there has been so many annoucements of famous people coming out of the closet and so much YAY for being LGBT. I have actually thought to myself: "what's happening with the world?". Do I have to be soon celebrating and having hetero parties?

About the video. Different genders and sexualities that I think are just weird. I acknowledge that someone can be gay, hetero or bi. Transsexual.. well.. I dunno. For genders it is certain, you're either a man or a woman. I can't see there being any other genders because it is biologically IMPOSSIBLE. Unless you have both genders, that it possible for some creatures, but not humans.

Nothing hateful to anyone like I said, I just express my thoughts on the subject.
Title: Re: Why has the YT community turned so cruel? (Warning; Rant.)
Post by: Morqque on July 02, 2016, 02:03:15 am
Trolls.

Trolls target whatever's popular or certain groups of people to bring them down or to
make it NSFW for giggles.

I know what it feels like to get trolled and be a troll. (dont worry I've matured and learned)

Trolls are just immatures a-holes(excuse my language). Just ignore them
They want to bring you down and get a reaction
Title: Re: Why has the YT community turned so cruel? (Warning; Rant.)
Post by: Vwang on July 04, 2016, 02:33:32 am
Yeah... I see people being racist to a black 8 year old  And then Rosystar who tried to die because of bullying
This is why kids should not fly off into the internet unless kids wanna end up like me
Title: Re: Why has the YT community turned so cruel? (Warning; Rant.)
Post by: Wyldercat on July 04, 2016, 07:52:29 pm

About the video. Different genders and sexualities that I think are just weird. I acknowledge that someone can be gay, hetero or bi. Transsexual.. well.. I dunno. For genders it is certain, you're either a man or a woman. I can't see there being any other genders because it is biologically IMPOSSIBLE. Unless you have both genders, that it possible for some creatures, but not humans.

Nothing hateful to anyone like I said, I just express my thoughts on the subject.

I have to agree with this too, actually. I personally believe that there is male, female, or choosing to express no gender, but other than that... ehh...
Before anyone COMES for me, I DO understand that there is a difference between sex and gender. There are TWO sexes, with the exception of Klinefelter (XXY chromosomes) and similar disorders (XXX for example), and 2 genders that can be expressed or not expressed.

Now, back onto the Youtube subject, these are OBVIOUS trolls, many of the time. However, I'd bet the farm a few of the "haters" are LGBT themselves. I'm not going to restate what I've already stated in my previous posts, but it makes other LGBTs feel out of place, fake, on a pedestal, etc.
I personally couldn't finish watching the video.
Title: Re: Why has the YT community turned so cruel? (Warning; Rant.)
Post by: m2dis123 on July 07, 2016, 12:46:01 am

About the video. Different genders and sexualities that I think are just weird. I acknowledge that someone can be gay, hetero or bi. Transsexual.. well.. I dunno. For genders it is certain, you're either a man or a woman. I can't see there being any other genders because it is biologically IMPOSSIBLE. Unless you have both genders, that it possible for some creatures, but not humans.

Nothing hateful to anyone like I said, I just express my thoughts on the subject.

I have to agree with this too, actually. I personally believe that there is male, female, or choosing to express no gender, but other than that... ehh...
Before anyone COMES for me, I DO understand that there is a difference between sex and gender. There are TWO sexes, with the exception of Klinefelter (XXY chromosomes) and similar disorders (XXX for example), and 2 genders that can be expressed or not expressed.

Now, back onto the Youtube subject, these are OBVIOUS trolls, many of the time. However, I'd bet the farm a few of the "haters" are LGBT themselves. I'm not going to restate what I've already stated in my previous posts, but it makes other LGBTs feel out of place, fake, on a pedestal, etc.
I personally couldn't finish watching the video.

Of course there are lots of trolls. There are weird people out there who enjoy making others feel bad. But there are also those people who are too scared to tell their opinion out loud. Youtube is rather big place where you can be rather anonymous. People say things for lols while others actually can speak their mind freely. That's also a reason why there is much more hate when you can be anonymous. People say things what they really think.




YouTube hasn't turned cruel, it's just becoming more human-like.
Title: Re: Why has the YT community turned so cruel? (Warning; Rant.)
Post by: WolfQueen on July 07, 2016, 01:29:37 am
Well, the reason why there is a lot of dislikes on that video is because much of the Youtube community refers LGBT+ acceptance as extremist "Tumblr feminist" views. You know, the "UR TRIGGERING ME!!!" thing. Such extremists are often the target for such hate, and because people blow this out of proportion all LGBT+ advocates are laughed at. For example, if you refer yourself as non-binary you are automatically told off and labeled.

Youtube is a big site with tons of people on it. You will get many different opinions so it'll really depend on what side of the site you go to. Unfortunately, the community is mainly centered around hate and getting popular by pessimism and harassment. The LGBT+ community is still a taboo for many people so it's not much of a surprise that this video got so much hate. Plus, Google is a mulit-million dollar company, and companies of the like are often viewed as impassive to the regular people and hop on to what's popular just to get attention. I'm pretty sure Google is very LGBT+ friendly judging by the type of people who work there, but not a lot of people like Google as a company.

Despite being a person who's in the LGBT group, I'm not super-duper passionate about LGBT+ acceptance. I'm not angered by this, but just kind of upset that there can be so much hate on one little video about kindness.