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Initially, I delayed making this thread because it may be seen as aggressive or in a bad light, but I feel it is important and goes hand-in-hand with my suggestions poll. I ask replies to be considerate and not degrading. Please no “flaming;” I understand this thread may lead to tension but the community should be able to freely discuss as long as it does not become uncontrollable.
Looking through the game/forum suggestions boards, and it is very easy to see that many suggestions are turned away for not being considered “urgent.” Many ideas are placed on a virtual backburner and end up being ignored. This can be acceptable in some situations, but it is not an appropriate explanation when active updates are not being made to the general community, given that Feralheart’s last major update was in 2016. One could argue that getting MOTS involved solves this, but it still leaves a majority of the community in the dark, because they simply aren’t being told what is going on behind the scenes. It is simply not substantial enough to keep a community motivated and interested. Looking to the future, Feralheart needs publicity, and without community interaction and community involvement, the game will dwindle, more than it already has.
According to the poll referenced above, an overwhelming majority called for more transparency. From the perspective of a regular member, whether or not this has been fulfilled is obvious. Throughout the game, many people are unaware as to upcoming events, among other things.
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There’s also been an issue in—as the thread title suggests—priorities. As previously stated, a lot of suggestions fall to the wayside with very little explanation. Apparently discussions are had, but they end up going nowhere and then are dropped without a word. Things should not be going as slow as they are. Quite a few of these suggestions could be approved/disapproved with a simple conversation between a small group in just a day’s time. Leaving them alone, having the people wait and wait with absolutely no news unless they’re lucky enough to become MOTS is unfair. Giving the community vague statements to hope for does not fix that either. It creates a disconnect between the community; the community thinks it is being ignored.
A solution to this would just simply be more transparent about what is going on behind the scenes. Not revealing everything, but perhaps a ‘plan for the year’ sort of thing. Say what your goal for the game is over the course of the year, and the progress being made. It can be as vague as that and it would significantly improve over the current system. Having a tiny bit of light is better than none at all. Thoughts and suggestions?
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transparency is a necessity now more than ever.
i only wish to reiterate that.
i whole-heartedly agree with this post and have nothing more to add.
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(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553058258307252225/592545634234400794/7af.jpg)
transparency is a necessity now more than ever.
i only wish to reiterate that.
i whole-heartedly agree with this post and have nothing more to add.
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(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553058258307252225/592545634234400794/7af.jpg)
transparency is a necessity now more than ever.
i only wish to reiterate that.
i whole-heartedly agree with this post and have nothing more to add.
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(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553058258307252225/592545634234400794/7af.jpg)
transparency is a necessity now more than ever.
i only wish to reiterate that.
i whole-heartedly agree with this post and have nothing more to add.
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(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553058258307252225/592545634234400794/7af.jpg)
transparency is a necessity now more than ever.
i only wish to reiterate that.
i whole-heartedly agree with this post and have nothing more to add.
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(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553058258307252225/592545634234400794/7af.jpg)
transparency is a necessity now more than ever.
i only wish to reiterate that.
i whole-heartedly agree with this post and have nothing more to add.
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(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553058258307252225/592545634234400794/7af.jpg)
transparency is a necessity now more than ever.
i only wish to reiterate that.
i whole-heartedly agree with this post and have nothing more to add.
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(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553058258307252225/592545634234400794/7af.jpg)
transparency is a necessity now more than ever.
i only wish to reiterate that.
i whole-heartedly agree with this post and have nothing more to add.
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This is one thing that I've never liked about some projects or communities. Everything is so hush hush to the point of almost never ending silence. Only certain people get to be in the know, such as the ever changing MOTS, whilst the rest of us never get a lick of what to plan for until most of us have lost interest in whatever we're here for, and we miss out on what was being planned for who knows how long. We get no "what we've got so far", never any insight of "what's to come so you better stick around to see the full picture". All we usually get is a "yeah we talk about it, but we haven't come up with a reason/explanation/solution. So just hang tight." "We plan to do X so just hang in there." And yet, we hear nothing more about X ever again until it's months later to a year or so.
When a topic is brought up, be it a longstanding issue, or a new idea, I've noticed that we usually get the reasoning or excuse of "there are more important things to do first" where as those things are never specified. When I first heard that, I felt it was reasonable. Sure, maybe there are more important things they are working on. Now, sometimes, it's just turned into the usual reason for why a topic is dropped from the public eye. Sometimes it feels like that's the reason why something isn't done, looked into, brought up, and or explained. The reason why I feel like this, is because I have no idea of what needs to get done. What currently is being done, and what needs to be worked on next. It constantly feels like nothing is getting done and we're all just sitting ducks waiting for the next gust of wind to pick up under our wings. Unfortunately, for some of us, our wings get tired and we loose interest before that gust of wind arrives and we end up going our own way.
As stated, we're not looking to know EXACTLY what's going on. Just a little nudge. A heads up. A news letter of "okay project B is coming along smoothly, and this is what we want to share with you." In return, that gets everyone excited. We see progress. Stuff is getting done. We get an idea of what's to come. We get so eager to see more of this progress until it's finished. Then we end up screaming at our computers once it's done because we are so hype. However, as of right now, all we do is wait.
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I think setting a goal or goals for the upcoming month or year (if not already set) and being transparent ("we got around to doing X"?) about it should be top priority because...
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553058258307252225/592545634234400794/7af.jpg)
transparency is a necessity now more than ever.
i only wish to reiterate that.
i whole-heartedly agree with this post and have nothing more to add.
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This is one thing that I've never liked about some projects or communities. Everything is so hush hush to the point of almost never ending silence. Only certain people get to be in the know, such as the ever changing MOTS, whilst the rest of us never get a lick of what to plan for until most of us have lost interest in whatever we're here for, and we miss out on what was being planned for who knows how long. We get no "what we've got so far", never any insight of "what's to come so you better stick around to see the full picture". All we usually get is a "yeah we talk about it, but we haven't come up with a reason/explanation/solution. So just hang tight." "We plan to do X so just hang in there." And yet, we hear nothing more about X ever again until it's months later to a year or so.
When a topic is brought up, be it a longstanding issue, or a new idea, I've noticed that we usually get the reasoning or excuse of "there are more important things to do first" where as those things are never specified. When I first heard that, I felt it was reasonable. Sure, maybe there are more important things they are working on. Now, sometimes, it's just turned into the usual reason for why a topic is dropped from the public eye. Sometimes it feels like that's the reason why something isn't done, looked into, brought up, and or explained. The reason why I feel like this, is because I have no idea of what needs to get done. What currently is being done, and what needs to be worked on next. It constantly feels like nothing is getting done and we're all just sitting ducks waiting for the next gust of wind to pick up under our wings. Unfortunately, for some of us, our wings get tired and we loose interest before that gust of wind arrives and we end up going our own way.
As stated, we're not looking to know EXACTLY what's going on. Just a little nudge. A heads up. A news letter of "okay project B is coming along smoothly, and this is what we want to share with you." In return, that gets everyone excited. We see progress. Stuff is getting done. We get an idea of what's to come. We get so eager to see more of this progress until it's finished. Then we end up screaming at our computers once it's done because we are so hype. However, as of right now, all we do is wait.
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I know I've stated similar things in the past (particularly the international Board) stating that things are still being concluded/discussed, but yes it is tiring to repeat this over and over on behalf of discussions that never seem to actually be concluded in the first place.
There always seems to be a reassurance of how we'll get the discussion over with as soon as but truthfully I see plenty of room for it to be done instantaneously alongside everything else being done. It's not a good look on us as a Staff team to not be able to get together and work so efficiently (which is reflected with good people in the community getting bored of leaving as well), and it's been going on for years.
What would be nice is if we could set up some polls/voting threads to find out exactly what the community want from us first. For example, I've heard suggestions as to having a thread where we list what we've been up to with patchwork.
Or, it would also be cool if we could finalise things with having an FAQ stream/event.
Keep it coming, guys. <3 The feedback is appreciated, and I respect those that speak out and especially Jango/AlphaEclipse for throwing this thread together and putting it out there.
There are a lot of voices to be heard, and I hope all of this can finally be fixed and settled on once and for all.
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One of those thermometer looking graphs with "Goal X, Goal Y" under it might be the sort of feedback some of you want. It's have to be updated from time to time. Even if it was only 1% at a week.
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In my eyes (and the eyes of many others too) it has become undeniably clear that the staff need to change. The 'before no-mod-october' staff (BNMO for short) have had countless opportunities to change their methods of communication, whether it be with each other professionally, or with the community itself, in either situation on numerous occasions they have failed to do so.
It is time for change.
We cannot wait for that type of change any longer.
We have waited for too long. You could even say years now.
We are tired, and we want to see production.
I'm even straight up going to say that we need a new staff team. Or at least new management. The new staff after no-mod-october (NMO for short) made the mistake of allowing the BNMO staff return. They cannot get anything done efficiently because they cannot work like a team, only a friendship circle against the 'new blood'. It's unprofessional. It stopped the newer staff from getting anything done or even attempt to correct the mistakes the BNMO staff made. The BNMO staff are always sticking to their old ways, which do not work anymore, and haven't done for too long a time.
It should not take months to finalize discussions.
You should not have to rely on repetitive distractions like MotS seasons and competitions etc to cover up your unfortunate broken staff team situations.
It's stupid.
It's noticed.
And if the Admins cannot strengthen their staff team or balance their responsibilities, then honestly why are they here.
I can't stress it enough.
Before transparency even begins to happen, there needs to be a new staff team, because this one with the BNMO staff in it is clearly not working out and it shows.
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One of those thermometer looking graphs with "Goal X, Goal Y" under it might be the sort of feedback some of you want. It's have to be updated from time to time. Even if it was only 1% at a week.
i suggested this not long ago
thank you
In my eyes (and the eyes of many others too) it has become undeniably clear that the staff need to change. The 'before no-mod-october' staff (BNMO for short) have had countless opportunities to change their methods of communication, whether it be with each other professionally, or with the community itself, in either situation on numerous occasions they have failed to do so.
It is time for change.
We cannot wait for that type of change any longer.
We have waited for too long. You could even say years now.
We are tired, and we want to see production.
I'm even straight up going to say that we need a new staff team. Or at least new management. The new staff after no-mod-october (NMO for short) made the mistake of allowing the BNMO staff return. They cannot get anything done efficiently because they cannot work like a team, only a friendship circle against the 'new blood'. It's unprofessional. It stopped the newer staff from getting anything done or even attempt to correct the mistakes the BNMO staff made. The BNMO staff are always sticking to their old ways, which do not work anymore, and haven't done for too long a time.
It should not take months to finalize discussions.
You should not have to rely on repetitive distractions like MotS seasons and competitions etc to cover up your unfortunate broken staff team situations.
It's stupid.
It's noticed.
And if the Admins cannot strengthen their staff team or balance their responsibilities, then honestly why are they here.
I can't stress it enough.
Before transparency even begins to happen, there needs to be a new staff team, because this one with the BNMO staff in it is clearly not working out and it shows.
you're not alone in this thought process.
and don't let people tell you otherwise.
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In my eyes (and the eyes of many others too) it has become undeniably clear that the staff need to change. The 'before no-mod-october' staff (BNMO for short) have had countless opportunities to change their methods of communication, whether it be with each other professionally, or with the community itself, in either situation on numerous occasions they have failed to do so.
It is time for change.
We cannot wait for that type of change any longer.
We have waited for too long. You could even say years now.
We are tired, and we want to see production.
I'm even straight up going to say that we need a new staff team. Or at least new management. The new staff after no-mod-october (NMO for short) made the mistake of allowing the BNMO staff return. They cannot get anything done efficiently because they cannot work like a team, only a friendship circle against the 'new blood'. It's unprofessional. It stopped the newer staff from getting anything done or even attempt to correct the mistakes the BNMO staff made. The BNMO staff are always sticking to their old ways, which do not work anymore, and haven't done for too long a time.
It should not take months to finalize discussions.
You should not have to rely on repetitive distractions like MotS seasons and competitions etc to cover up your unfortunate broken staff team situations.
It's stupid.
It's noticed.
And if the Admins cannot strengthen their staff team or balance their responsibilities, then honestly why are they here.
I can't stress it enough.
Before transparency even begins to happen, there needs to be a new staff team, because this one with the BNMO staff in it is clearly not working out and it shows.
I suggest the staff take a good read at this. It's the most accurate statement published in these forums regarding the current staff and their communication with the community. There's so many improvements and opportunities within Feralheart that are being ignored and/or wasted. Not to mention the opinions about certain aspects of the game that have been spoken about since the June 2016 update (which killed off a lot of the population of FH due to things like the map changes etc.), and still to this day by the game's members. It's disappointing. Feralheart has so much room to grow with the right team behind it. This community and game has been a part of my life for close to a decade, and it's really distressing (and has been for a long time) to see it go down this path.
The staff need to listen, and think long and hard about the future of Feralheart and where it's headed.
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A lot of the statements made are objective criticism rather than having means to insult, for this I am grateful and appreciative. Some of the info will be a lot to process either on a personal or professional level but it's nice to see there is no hostility but moreso stern words of encouragement for the changes required. I hope this tone is kept. c:
Thank ye for the feedback thus far.
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(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553058258307252225/592545634234400794/7af.jpg)
transparency is a necessity now more than ever.
i only wish to reiterate that.
i whole-heartedly agree with this post and have nothing more to add.
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(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553058258307252225/592545634234400794/7af.jpg)
transparency is a necessity now more than ever.
i only wish to reiterate that.
i whole-heartedly agree with this post and have nothing more to add.
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(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553058258307252225/592545634234400794/7af.jpg)
transparency is a necessity now more than ever.
i only wish to reiterate that.
i whole-heartedly agree with this post and have nothing more to add.
As someone who has had a paw in game design for a very long time, I'd have to agree with what this post says. Being transparent and giving insight to what you as a team are doing is crucial in keeping a community. Not only does it keep the hype for updates coming, but it allows users to give feedback and suggest edits/changes to what you as a team are working on. The user base is basically the judge of your work, wouldn't you want to keep them happy?
I haven't been around actively for awhile since the No Mod thing, and am not able to form an opinion on the things happening since I haven't witnessed them. However, communication is a key element to a team, and that cannot be ignored. If nobody talks or can come to a conclusion something needs to be said/done, because if nobody can work together that will in the end effect not only the staff, but eventually the entire community.
~ Whisper
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transparency is a necessity now more than ever.
i only wish to reiterate that.
i whole-heartedly agree with this post and have nothing more to add.
I wholeheartedly agree with everything that has been said here, it's completely valid and accurate. I think we not only need transparency but
consistency. This is something I've noticed and had been noticing for many years, there isn't enough consistency, whether it's bringing forward rules/discipline but with keeping an open and honest communication with it's userbase. I feel like when it comes to that it's always blurry or 'hot and cold', there's never an in-between. And I think that really isn't fair to the userbase. As someone who has thrown her hat in the ring in terms of administration and managing communities your relationship to your playerbase is absolutely vital. You need honesty, transparency, consistency, and most importantly
trust. And I'm sorry to say this but I feel like the staff has damaged that trust between them and their userbase because of the vast inconsistency in their rules and in their communication, and it's a vicious cycle that has been ongoing for years and years. I can't say I've been here for a very long time, not like the people from 2011-2012 when the game just started up, but I can say with certainty that I've been here long enough and witness a lot of this first hand. And I think with a game, that's dwindling in numbers, you can't afford to keep things so tightly guarded sometimes, especially if trust has been damaged time and time again. I wasn't around when No-Mod October came around, but I saw a lot of baloney from all sides. I agree with Buffy that either a new staff/management should come in or the staff reevaluate their communication and consistency with it's userbase.
That's all I have to say.
And just to add; No, being a staff member isn't easy. Not everything should be aired out for everyone to see, the staff has that right to uphold that amount of professionalism. However, when it comes to things like updates and things that are important to the community I think the door for feedback and communication should be open. And this comes from no hate in my heart, this is just my subjective opinion that you can agree or disagree with.
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I completely agree with Bawfle.
The management and the general structure of the staff team isn't good. Creating smaller sub-teams may allow for more efficiency so not every staff member would have to give input on ideas that they do not specialize in. We all appreciate the time and work that the staff put into this game but some of the recent decisions should have been discussed or voted on by all of the community. It really feels like the staff aren't listening much to what the community wants.
Thank you very much for bringing up such an important issue for discussion, Alpha!
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A lot of the statements made are objective criticism rather than having means to insult, for this I am grateful and appreciative. Some of the info will be a lot to process either on a personal or professional level but it's nice to see there is no hostility but moreso stern words of encouragement for the changes required. I hope this tone is kept. c:
Thank ye for the feedback thus far.
And I'm glad it's being taken this way. Nothing in this post is meant as a personal attack in any way shape or form.
At the core of it, it's pointing something out.
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HELLO MAGAN FRIENDS I AM HERE OF NOW MOSES STILL GENERAL STILL LOOKING FOR DA BIG LION WHO EAT MY COUSIN ZACHIRIAH BUT THAT NOT IS OF IMPORTANT I SEE LOT OF BAD MEAN TALK AND NO MORE BE FRIENDS OR ALL WILL FAIL I TELL YOU THAT IS HOW I LOST ARMY MY BEST FRIEND INDENDE ARGUE AND TOOK ME MEN AWAY NOW I NOT AS BIG WARLORD BUT STILL WARRIOR SO IF ANYONE NOT WANT NICE AND NEED STRONG MAN I AM HERE TOO BUT ALSO BE OF FRIENDSHIP
ALSO GOD BLESS TO YOU ALL EXCPET THE PEOPLE WHO PUT THE COW WATER IN THE BOWL BEFORE MILK
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To be completely honest, throughout the years I have seen the staff team on FH as a clique who didn't do a lot, more often in the past than now. I have seen improvement over the years but Bawfle's point still stands.
No disrespect for the team. It's just something that I have observed both inside and outside FH being in this community. I see how much the mods are trying to become better in this day and age.
I think the main problem with the staff team, like lack of transparency, is the fact that there isn't much that can be reported. I believe there should be more things our staff team could be able to do (such as forum editing). This game is small and we are unable to do much, yes, but there is still a lot to be done. Mostly on the forums in my perspective.
I understand how hard it is to create a new stable team in the state the game is now. So, it will be much easier to create improvements within the current moderation group right now.
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I know I already posted in here regarding this, but I am here to offer a bit of insight and maybe a little bit of wisdom.
Many of you are correct, as Feral Heart as a whole has been lacking in actual news for a long time. I am going to tell you with full honesty, that MOTS are in the dark as much as the rest of you. There really isn't a large difference currently for MOTS, as you all have the same 'line of sight' as everyone else here, unfortunately.
I am very much for transparency (with limitations of course), as the whole of work is based on surprise, which I strongly have believed it shouldn't be for quite a while. I cannot tell you how many times people have battled back and forth over this, and have had no leverage to go anywhere with it. Some staff do not want transparency for their own reasons, and that is okay as well! However, I have always strongly believed that transparency should be given to the community like every other game in existence. Every game you come across likely has constant news letters and updates, but FH does not. I'll give you some reasons why.
1. As WolfQueen mentioned, it would be nice to even have forum updates, but unfortunately (even with staff as big as it was), forum work is mainly an admin job, and the progress moves too slow and as everyone stated, there are more important things to be worked on. Even though I don't believe that is a real excuse to not do side projects, that is the excuse you are commonly given. (it should also be understood that there are only two admins, and they can be quite busy, so its understandable at times, but a solution should be made for forum work)
2. Staff just doesn't form that progress fast enough to actually put news out. Even though staff very likely could, but the reality is, it isn't fast enough.
Birdie was also right in this: "And I think with a game, that's dwindling in numbers, you can't afford to keep things so tightly guarded sometimes..." This is a very true statement. Just wanted to throw this out there.
The problem lies within the aspect of communication, not so much with the people. If we learn how to communicate and reach an outstanding conclusion, or a modest end point, we can get somewhere. I'm going to be honest with you folks, and I will likely retain backlash for this. But there is a reason 3 staff members left at once. There is a big problem with communication all around, and it needs to be fixed. Immediately.
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HELLO MAGAN FRIENDS I AM HERE OF NOW MOSES STILL GENERAL STILL LOOKING FOR DA BIG LION WHO EAT MY COUSIN ZACHIRIAH BUT THAT NOT IS OF IMPORTANT I SEE LOT OF BAD MEAN TALK AND NO MORE BE FRIENDS OR ALL WILL FAIL I TELL YOU THAT IS HOW I LOST ARMY MY BEST FRIEND INDENDE ARGUE AND TOOK ME MEN AWAY NOW I NOT AS BIG WARLORD BUT STILL WARRIOR SO IF ANYONE NOT WANT NICE AND NEED STRONG MAN I AM HERE TOO BUT ALSO BE OF FRIENDSHIP
ALSO GOD BLESS TO YOU ALL EXCPET THE PEOPLE WHO PUT THE COW WATER IN THE BOWL BEFORE MILK
Hi there!
Please stay on topic if you can. c:
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In my eyes (and the eyes of many others too) it has become undeniably clear that the staff need to change. The 'before no-mod-october' staff (BNMO for short) have had countless opportunities to change their methods of communication, whether it be with each other professionally, or with the community itself, in either situation on numerous occasions they have failed to do so.
It is time for change.
We cannot wait for that type of change any longer.
We have waited for too long. You could even say years now.
We are tired, and we want to see production.
I'm even straight up going to say that we need a new staff team. Or at least new management. The new staff after no-mod-october (NMO for short) made the mistake of allowing the BNMO staff return. They cannot get anything done efficiently because they cannot work like a team, only a friendship circle against the 'new blood'. It's unprofessional. It stopped the newer staff from getting anything done or even attempt to correct the mistakes the BNMO staff made. The BNMO staff are always sticking to their old ways, which do not work anymore, and haven't done for too long a time.
It should not take months to finalize discussions.
You should not have to rely on repetitive distractions like MotS seasons and competitions etc to cover up your unfortunate broken staff team situations.
It's stupid.
It's noticed.
And if the Admins cannot strengthen their staff team or balance their responsibilities, then honestly why are they here.
I can't stress it enough.
Before transparency even begins to happen, there needs to be a new staff team, because this one with the BNMO staff in it is clearly not working out and it shows.
As I've said in the past during the whole NMO, communication is key in everything. You cannot have a good team without it. A team works together on things, rather than divided and scrambled over biased opinions or anything else. Coming from someone who's had their fair share of group projects (where I actually know what the heck is going on) and failure due to those things, I cannot stress this enough. When working with others, it's sometimes hard to get along. It takes a lot of patience and determination to get through. When disagreements start popping up, sometimes one can get a little too comfortable in their position and fight endlessly over the disagreement. This is where one, if not both parties need to set their pride aside and compensate for the other. It's not all about one idea, but a handful of ideas that come together to make one.
More and more it feels like everything regarding FeralHeart's development absolutely has to be kept secret until a "finalized decision" is made. With FeralHeart's dwindling condition, this simply cannot and will not work anymore. As Bawfle stated, it should not take months to finalize a decision. I would hope that our team would work swiftly with each other in a levelheaded manner so they can move on with whatever development is being done, but, I'm afraid by the looks of it there's a lot of downtime. Now, I cannot speak for the other side due to not seeing conversations first hand, but I'm stating how it feels.
Perhaps we do need a new team. If at the very least, as Bawfle said, new management. Something to keep either this team, or a new team on track because how things are going now are not okay. It's suffocating any change FeralHeart has to get anywhere.
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Unfortunately just now getting to read through everything despite being on the forum a lot since this was posted. Thank you guys for the thread and casual feedback given, it's appreciated to see how people feel outside of an anonymous post. Although the community suggestions/feedback poll is nice, it doesn't have that underlying spark to see what users are specifically saying what from their own experiences around the game and forum. Definitely will keep an eye on what gets posted here to see what everyone has to say.
For the most part from a general member view, the majority of you are more or less correct in your statements and suggestions. I don't have a lot to say myself besides that I do agree with a lot of you, since I've been on semi-hiatus for the most part. But on the topic of giving out what's being worked on, those kind of things can't be done as often as many users would like, for most work that may be done on a staff team takes a long while. I think someone mentioned that already I'm exhausted right now I'm doing my best here.
A lot of staff related things have been mentioned as well, and I do understand where you guys are coming from on that state, like Bawfle and Ame. Even in Sigyn's statement as well. Deucaliorn brought forward separating the full team into subteams, and that's an idea I've seen in other places that have worked extremely well. That could be a possibility here but that also depends on the team size as well.
I'm all for a little bit more transparency, even if it's not as much as the community would prefer for what's been stated by others. Transparency does keep communities together with teams that run forums, games, and anything else. FH does somewhat lack a bit of it, in any form that wants to be pointed out by staff, MOTS, the community, just anyone. Transparency was definitely one of the main things around that plenty wanted worked on. Surely that can be worked on over time and not be a big deal.
Though I don't really have much else to say since everyone else has said the majority of things I've managed to think of in the past... 20 minutes? I'll probably edit if I have anything else. More or less bear with me, I suppose.
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I want to thank Alpha for posting this, and the rest of you stating your own two-cents or just harboring to agree or disagree. I also thank Scally and Jess for replying to make things clear.
I don't entirely believe in creating a new staff team or new management, as things can easily be made to work. The entirety of this is based around the topic of communication. This situation has been present long before no-mod October. The fact of the matter is there needs to first be a discussion on how to make things work rather than going head-on into the fray assuming what the community wants. There also needs to be a discussion on how to communicate effectively, rather than constantly beating around the bush.
Let's be a bit real. The staff team, old or new, have experiences and talents that make them effective members of the team. However, those talents and experiences can be lost when there is a lack of proper communication, or, a lack of trust or even establishing trust and comfort.
I think all that matters to you all, if I'm not wrong, is if you guys are just informed or kept up-to-date on the things staff should be informing you on, rather than making things a surprise. You just want to have a part in this, and that's okay. I have hope you guys will get the answers or even the solution you seek.
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I want to thank Alpha for posting this, and the rest of you stating your own two-cents or just harboring to agree or disagree. I also thank Scally and Jess for replying to make things clear.
I don't entirely believe in creating a new staff team or new management, as things can easily be made to work. The entirety of this is based around the topic of communication. This situation has been present long before no-mod October. The fact of the matter is there needs to first be a discussion on how to make things work rather than going head-on into the fray assuming what the community wants. There also needs to be a discussion on how to communicate effectively, rather than constantly beating around the bush.
Let's be a bit real. The staff team, old or new, have experiences and talents that make them effective members of the team. However, those talents and experiences can be lost when there is a lack of proper communication, or, a lack of trust or even establishing trust and comfort.
I think all that matters to you all, if I'm not wrong, is if you guys are just informed or kept up-to-date on the things staff should be informing you on, rather than making things a surprise. You just want to have a part in this, and that's okay. I have hope you guys will get the answers or even the solution you seek.
I think that's the best solution Calvary and thank you for being honest with us and of course agreeing with my statement beforehand. I really don't think Feral Heart as a collective benefits from being left in the dark about updates. I, and many others, would like to be allowed to preview an update before it's finalized. It not only benefits us player but it helps paint the staff a picture of what players want from the game. We are, after all, players.
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I'm even straight up going to say that we need a new staff team. Or at least new management. The new staff after no-mod-october (NMO for short) made the mistake of allowing the BNMO staff return. They cannot get anything done efficiently because they cannot work like a team, only a friendship circle against the 'new blood'. It's unprofessional. It stopped the newer staff from getting anything done or even attempt to correct the mistakes the BNMO staff made. The BNMO staff are always sticking to their old ways, which do not work anymore, and haven't done for too long a time.
It should not take months to finalize discussions.
You should not have to rely on repetitive distractions like MotS seasons and competitions etc to cover up your unfortunate broken staff team situations.
It's noticed.
And if the Admins cannot strengthen their staff team or balance their responsibilities, then honestly why are they here.
I can't stress it enough.
Before transparency even begins to happen, there needs to be a new staff team, because this one with the BNMO staff in it is clearly not working out and it shows.
As a Floof who originally joined when General was a thing on another account, I COMPLETELY agree with this statement from Bawfle.
The community is so scared of the mods unless you are BFFS with them. To quote a REALLY old thread "A game is never a dictatorship." The mods never interact with the community or even listen for that matter. If anything we really do need new mods and admins. Hell, one of my friends was kicked for the reason "Don't test me". Dont test me? Seems like a threat there. Now I wont say who it was, but that is corrupt.
Stop trying to control the game. Protect it.
I recently even got into an argument about the mods. The mod online never said anything and instead watched the carnage. Why? Im not sure. Though I was saying the mods can be toxic. I will stand by my GRAVE that this is true. Even when joking around people are kicked. Recently I was kicked for referencing the "Chad" meme. What?
This community was so kind and colorful until the update and general being removed. Now its an empty shell of nostalgia and what it could have been. We need communication, fairness, and transparency.
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In my eyes (and the eyes of many others too) it has become undeniably clear that the staff need to change. The 'before no-mod-october' staff (BNMO for short) have had countless opportunities to change their methods of communication, whether it be with each other professionally, or with the community itself, in either situation on numerous occasions they have failed to do so.
It is time for change.
We cannot wait for that type of change any longer.
We have waited for too long. You could even say years now.
We are tired, and we want to see production.
I'm even straight up going to say that we need a new staff team. Or at least new management. The new staff after no-mod-october (NMO for short) made the mistake of allowing the BNMO staff return. They cannot get anything done efficiently because they cannot work like a team, only a friendship circle against the 'new blood'. It's unprofessional. It stopped the newer staff from getting anything done or even attempt to correct the mistakes the BNMO staff made. The BNMO staff are always sticking to their old ways, which do not work anymore, and haven't done for too long a time.
It should not take months to finalize discussions.
You should not have to rely on repetitive distractions like MotS seasons and competitions etc to cover up your unfortunate broken staff team situations.
It's stupid.
It's noticed.
And if the Admins cannot strengthen their staff team or balance their responsibilities, then honestly why are they here.
I can't stress it enough.
Before transparency even begins to happen, there needs to be a new staff team, because this one with the BNMO staff in it is clearly not working out and it shows.
I wholeheartedly agree with Bawfle's statement.
Coming from a time when the online count used to reach a staggering 600+, it is sad to see a max of only 300 members online. Wake up and smell the roses, something is definitely wrong. There is no need to push it away, to act like it is not there.
Change needs to come, and fast before this game plummets.
More communication is the only road to success, as everyone has stated so far. As a community, we want to know what is going to happen to the game. The team can ask for feedback, as well as take suggestions for what could be added into the game. Also being more open to the suggestions stated by members in this very category instead of hating on it.
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alpha and bawfle have said all i wanted to say and more.
though if this is just the Game/Mod Feedback Power Hour then i'll toss out that, regarding what fish said, we could stand to have someone rewrite the rules.
i've said before that i'd pass this complaint on because a certain user asked me to and i think they're absolutely right. so whether it's to the theoretical new team or the members of the standing team or what, there are problems between the players and mods that need to be fixed that go beyond communication. i know, forum stuff is admin territory, but sitting down in a doc with one or two other mods over it should at least be considered. it won't kill the game any faster.
there are a lot of problems with players/mods right now and not everyone's gonna be happy with whatever decision(s) is/are made, but we as a community would at least like our concerns like the rules, updates, everything that keeps fh what it is addressed[at the very least.]
it's time for our team to do what they promised us they'd do after the nmn crisis. be the guiding hand for this game.
not a bunch of silent, watchful owls who strike down people who don't hear them coming.
because it seems that's what they've devolved back into.
and nobody liked that.
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I am humbled there have been so many replies thus far. After reading them all, I want to thank you all for contributing valuable input. I do hope more people have the ability to reply, however I am weary that this thread will be locked because of its sensitive nature. I will be thoroughly disappointed if so. Regardless, I want to reiterate the importance of communication and inclusion. Sometimes it can be tedious, but I firmly believe that—regardless of company—objective criticism is a gift and should be encouraged openly. It only promotes truth and participation within the community, building a bond between both members and staff.
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Sometimes it can be tedious, but I firmly believe that—regardless of company—objective criticism is a gift and should be encouraged openly. It only promotes truth and participation within the community, building a bond between both members and staff.
I just want to add onto this, saying, nothing ever good is handed to anyone anywhere. If you want something that's truly the best it can be, one must be able to take their failures, and turn them into improvements. Lay down any pride you have and accept if you've done something wrong. Acknowledge it, and to the best of your ability, do better. Seek out every morsel of critique you can get so you can make whatever it is you're making the most amazing thing you could possibly create. For not only yourself, but everyone around you.
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It's disappointing that despite staff 'trying' to enforce some form of transparency with the MOTS Proposal that things are still not up to a high standard that leaves the community comfortable with those assigned to protect them and provide them with a fun, slowly-updated game as this. It's difficult to face the truth, but the truth of this matter is that there is not enough transparency - more could easily be implemented which would only take days (potentially even less than that) to get used to doing differently.
To see the community going to this extent is saddening, as it has been an issue for the time the concept has been brought up. But nevertheless, hopefully people speaking up at this volume will have the outcome of doing some good and affect the Staff's future performance positively. I dream of being able to further spill the beans about what we have planned for you guys and seeing MOTS spread out some exciting information on our behalf as well. I wish more could have been done during earlier stages and I'm sure other Staff members will come to realise this if not already.
Thank you all again for your constructive feedback.
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Before I forget, I also hope this thread is not being seen in a bad light. This whole thread only intended to spark discussion on how the staff should go about releasing updates. Some of this thread did go out of topic, but it is expected with such a broad topic. Whether or not this should be a community matter is up for debate, but considering the essential goal of this thread is to encourage openness, it would not hurt to start here.
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I am humbled there have been so many replies thus far. After reading them all, I want to thank you all for contributing valuable input. I do hope more people have the ability to reply, however I am weary that this thread will be locked because of its sensitive nature.
i'd find it genuinely ironic and kinda distressing if they lock an open plea for more transparency
it would absolutely fly in the face of what players are obviously wanting and would absolutely trash fh
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I am humbled there have been so many replies thus far. After reading them all, I want to thank you all for contributing valuable input. I do hope more people have the ability to reply, however I am weary that this thread will be locked because of its sensitive nature.
i'd find it genuinely ironic and kinda distressing if they lock an open plea for more transparency
it would absolutely fly in the face of what players are obviously wanting and would absolutely trash fh
I wouldn't be all that shocked if they did if I can blunt for a moment. But you're right, it would do a major disservice to us as a community and it shows unwillingness change. I really hope this isn't the case, I may talk frankly about things but I honestly love this game. I and many others (especially if we've been around for years) want to see it succeed and ensure survival for many years to come. But I think in order for that to happen, this conversation needed to happen and now it needs to be addressed.
So thank you Alpha for doing the poll and of course handling this subject as well as you had been.
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MOTS this is your one and final warning if you even entertain a situation like this again you will be booted.
You are in breach of the MOTS proposal you agreed to when you became a MOTS.
Personally I’d have you all booted now. But others believe you require a second chance.
Transparency.
Who’s responsibility is it?
Actually the moment the MOTS proposal came into we as staff basically lumbered the entire issue on the community to sort for itself. I for one am fed up of complaints and questions from people who I wouldn’t give 5 minutes of my time (I don’t owe you!).
For those who failed to read it here it is again.
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MOTS Proposal
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Most of you know Members of The Season(hereby known as MOTS) are selected by you, the community, as examples of the best members you have to offer and for their deeds to be seen by everyone.
Being that these members represent the community, we, the staff would like to invite them to join us in the staff room.
MOTS will be able to see what is happening regarding the game, join in discussions, meetings and have a voice to propose and vote on current affairs.
- MOTS access will not be limitless. MOTS will not have access to MIT(Mod in Training) selections as it's not uncommon for MOTS to be discussed for MIT positions.
- MOTS will not have direct access to reports from users.
- The final thing MOTS will not have access to is the historical archive of the staff room. We believe it's unfair on previous staff who would probably never have anticipated this change to have their posts suddenly under public scrutiny. But all posts from this point unless under the two categories above will be available to them.
Now to make clear the MOTS new status. They are here to create more transparency between the staff and you the community. If a MOTS feels we are not doing our job they can pull us up on it. But if we find a MOTS simply spewing information from the staff for the purposes of popularity or other reasons not beneficial to the community, they will be removed from their post (This will be discussed with the other MOTS at the time). MOTS will not be receiving moderator powers. MOTS are here to bring your ideas and opinions directly to us.
To be eligible for MOTS you cannot have a total ban time longer than two weeks in the last two years. For example if you have had three, five day bans the last eighteen months you cannot be eligible until the first ban elapses over the two year mark. We do check the other accounts you have as well. If we find any MOTS is receiving repeat votes from multiple accounts of the same person they will no longer be eligible for that period. A currently elected MOTS cannot be eligible for a second term in a row. But they can be re-elected every other term without limit.
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Under these rules the MOTS are supposed to be providing you the community answers. If you are not getting answers Maybe you should elect better MOTS. If the MOTS believe the staff is not adhering to this proposal the MOTS should use the powers they are given under said proposal to challenge this. That does not mean take it to a public forum as this again would class as spewing information not beneficial to the community.
I would therefore ask the community what have your MOTS so far done for you? Before you start pointing your fingers at the staff these MOTS are your people you chose and control. Maybe you need to take a much deeper look next time you select about what the person your electing has to offer you as a community. What will they try to achieve for you?
I must admit I find the comments from former MOTS who failed to perform their own role extremely poor. I also don’t approve of people who have “left” deciding to pop their head back in any time I suites to stir trouble? If you have left you have left make up your mind. Either provide some benefit to the community or disappear. Be aware under the terms of service we may remove you!
As for staff members and ex staff members who have posted here. You all read the MOTS proposal when it came into force and you all agreed to it. Perhaps you have forgotten what you agreed to I’m very aware that most of you were extremely concerned about their being too much transparency? If your saying even now there isn’t enough. Perhaps you need to bring up an amendment to the proposal further its transparency? Though I’m not entirely sure what else you think people might need to know?
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Rather annoyed by the choice of wording. In fact, I'm very annoyed, forget the rather.
First of all, if you would like to warn the MOTS of their breach in a proposal (which is very minor and should not even be considered to be something they're demoted for), I have already told you as of last night - allow me to repeat it again - to consult the trio of MotS yourself. Our Members of the Season would much rather be consulted privately (as I had recommended which has clearly, blatantly, been ignored).
You may be fed up with the complains and questions, but if you would not give them 5 minutes of your time then perhaps it should be no wonder the complaints and questions keep coming. Because you are not answering as you are expected to. The community have complained and expressed concern over our transparency because they are as equally fed up of being left in the dark on a consistent basis as you are fed up with hearing the same things cropping up. It should not just be down to the Members of the Season to form transparency. The transparency the community have been begging for, for so many years, is between staff and community. The MotS should not be here to do our dirty work, as there is no excuse. We all have plenty of time on our hands to respond to the complaints and questions.
Allow me to quote and highlight some of the things about your proposal you claim to know oh-so-well but fail to abide by.
Being that these members represent the community, we, the staff would like to invite them to join us in the staff room.
MOTS will be able to see what is happening regarding the game, join in discussions, meetings and have a voice to propose and vote on current affairs.
See what is happening regarding the game.
Well, why don't you ask the current Members of the Season what they know about what plans we have? Because I can assure you, a lot of the content they have access to inside of the staff room is truly only a discussion that hasn't been concluded on and ironically, numerous Members of the Seasons from last season and present have asked the similar question of "why are discussions not concluded/done faster?" They barely have any information on the game and future plans. In fact, they don't even know anything. Now before you point fingers to blame the Members of the Season like you've done so before, it is not down to the MotS to gather that information themselves. It is down to Staff to ensure information is being relayed to them at a regular/efficient pace. If there is no information to relay, then this definitely highlights that the Staff are not working as quickly and effectively as they should be. We should at least be able to have something to say every month or every few months but this is not the case and it, in my opinion, is poor performance on the Staff's end of the stick.
Have a voice to propose and vote on current affairs.
Barely.
If at all.
As Staff, we are not giving the Members of the Season enough opportunity to propose their voices and your post is a prime example as to why they will probably no longer want to propose them. Because seemingly, their voices regularly get shut down or we always try to find flaws in every discussion had with them. While it is crucial to identify pros and cons, the discussions I've read through (as well as the discussions I've had to reply to) seem as if we don't want them to help in transparency with the community.
Now to make clear the MOTS new status. They are here to create more transparency between the staff and you the community. If a MOTS feels we are not doing our job they can pull us up on it. But if we find a MOTS simply spewing information from the staff for the purposes of popularity or other reasons not beneficial to the community, they will be removed from their post (This will be discussed with the other MOTS at the time). MOTS will not be receiving moderator powers. MOTS are here to bring your ideas and opinions directly to us.
Again, Staff should not need the MotS to always be the ones creating transparency. They help in building the bridge, but they are not the bridge itself. Staff and MotS should be working with each other, not for each other.
This thread was posted by an ex-Member of the Season who was perhaps too afraid or did not recognise the extent of how poor the Staff's transparency with the community is until after their time was over as MotS. This doesn't mean the content of this thread should be ignored or deemed irresponsible/immature/"a personal attack."
This is also clearly not a publicity stunt.
If Members of the Season are agreeing with this thread (and have even sent the thread link to the Staff team to drop the idea that we ought to discuss improvements for the survival of this game ASAP!) then they are doing their part already. They are being transparent between both Staff and community by nodding their heads to what the community says, which they have then informed Staff about.
Under these rules the MOTS are supposed to be providing you the community answers. If you are not getting answers Maybe you should elect better MOTS. If the MOTS believe the staff is not adhering to this proposal the MOTS should use the powers they are given under said proposal to challenge this. That does not mean take it to a public forum as this again would class as spewing information not beneficial to the community.
Why must only the MOTS be the ones to provide answers? Staff uphold the responsibility to answer questions given by the community by default. Again this is just another statement by you to point fingers and make it sound as if it is not the Staff's job to respond to community feedback. Which is absolutely outrageous and irresponsible from you as FeralHeart's Server Master. If you don't like who the community nominates then maybe you should change the way the Members of the Season system works - maybe making it so only you and you alone can elect MotS given the impression from your choice of wording that you cannot be open-minded to how the community feels. If you think they should elect "better" MotS then do us all a favour and find those better MotS yourself.
I must admit I find the comments from former MOTS who failed to perform their own role extremely poor. I also don’t approve of people who have “left” deciding to pop their head back in any time I suites to stir trouble? If you have left you have left make up your mind. Either provide some benefit to the community or disappear. Be aware under the terms of service we may remove you!
This is a vile comment. Whatever went through your head as to think you have any right to prevent people from having an opinion just because of history I'll never know. Ex-staff have equally as much of a right to speak up as they do any community, MotS, and Staff member. They are not insulting anyone on purpose, they are in fact stating the truth.
It is clear you are far too high up on your own horse to see this truth. Or, you are just in so much denial because you cannot stand being in the wrong, especially when the public know about it. This same attitude was probably a factor of when the whole No Mod October situation happened, and it is clear now - not only to Staff but to everyone - that you have not changed.
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"Actions speak volumes," as you have said in the past. I honestly do not know where to begin with this, so I apologize if the following is brief and all over the place.
First, I am utterly appalled that it was required of you—not any other staff member—to publicly threaten the current MOTS—who have done nothing wrong—so aggressively, treating them so lowly for only talking briefly on a thread abiding forum rules. If someone must be punished, I am right here, because taking anger out on the poor MOTS, who were not even involved making this thread, is extreme.
Similarly, this is not a problem with MOTS. MOTS should not be a staff scapegoat. MOTS have absolutely no assigned tasks. MOTS is not a staff role. They are not responsible for doing staff duties. No one is required to join the staff server. I am going to keep this brief since your own staff member, Scally, explained everything and more.
So what has MOTS done for us? More than some staff, some would argue. That is not meant to be an aggressive comment, it is frankly just fact. MOTS are elected by members as a way to recognize their courtesy and contributions to the game. They are not punching bags. Hell, last season, we would repeatedly speak in discussion, only to be ignored or pushed aside with "we're working on it." There is only so much MOTS can do if staff are not opening up to them.
You do not owe us anything; that is a no-brainer. None of the staff owe us anything. Still, it is only in their best interest to communicate with their community, otherwise they will only find themselves without a game to staff.
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Before anyone else comments, I also want to also say I am thankful this was kept unlocked. It isn't going unnoticed.
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One simple word. Communication.
The Members of the Season are great people, they provide help to those
who are having trouble with their game or even the site. There is
no reason to dis them, they have done so much for this community
without being asked.
It is not their responsibility to do something which all staff members
should do. As AlphaEclipse said, the MOTS are not your scapegoats.
These people were voted more than likely because of how amazing
they are at helping the community, not to be someone you can
stack the blame on and rely on to come back to you.
If you have not forgot, the MOTS are actual people not your
little messengers.
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"MOTS have absolutely no assigned tasks"
Perhaps you should re read what you agreed to?
People have chosen not to be MOTS as they did not want such responsibilities.
I'd like to repeat "Actually the moment the MOTS proposal came into we as staff basically lumbered the entire issue on the community to sort for itself."
At no point did the staff become responsible for the MOTS its not for us to tell the MOTS what to do with their time as a MOTS.
I'd also ask if anyone can find anywhere that you as a community rejected the MOTS proposal if you didn't want the MOTS to do this? Perhaps you can find a post where even one person said no we don't want this back when it was proposed?
If nobody rejected the idea I would assume that the community wanted it. Therefore you only have yourselves to answer to.
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In the 6-7 years I’ve been here, I have never been more disappointed by the response that was just given.
Let this be a lesson, and I hope something is learned from this. If not, may you reap the unfortunate consequences.
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@Raz - I never rejected MOTS because I thought I could do good for something in this community, and I like to think I helped, but apparently my actions have only been in vain. I was not around when MOTS inclusion was established either, but regardless, even now, I am all for it. If you wish to dicuss my personal take on MOTS, message me privately, as that is irrelevant to this thread.
This thread is not asking for much, only simple updates from staff—whether or not a patch is being worked on, etc. Nothing more.
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@Raz - I never rejected MOTS because I thought I could do good for something in this community, and I like to think I helped, but apparently my actions have only been in vain. I was not around when MOTS inclusion was established either, but regardless, even now, I am all for it. If you wish to dicuss my personal take on MOTS, message me privately, as that is irrelevant to this thread.
This thread is not asking for much, only simple updates from staff—whether or not a patch is being worked on, etc. Nothing more.
^^^^ All we want as players is to feel like we're being valued and listened to. Over 85% of users felt like there is a lack of transparency between user and staff, that's an alarming majority?? And I feel like only 1 staff member has really valued what we've had to say. We are at best the foundation of this game and it's crumbling, quicker than any of us would've liked, it isn't a time to point fingers at people, it isn't one big whodonit, it shouldn't be about that.
What this whole thing should really be about is a problem that members addressed and how staff can fix it.
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MOTS this is your one and final warning if you even entertain a situation like this again you will be booted.
Nothing that I or any other current/previous MOTS have said/done anything to warrant this response.
I have done nothing wrong.
I would therefore ask the community what have your MOTS so far done for you? Before you start pointing your fingers at the staff these MOTS are your people you chose and control. Maybe you need to take a much deeper look next time you select about what the person your electing has to offer you as a community. What will they try to achieve for you?
Set up a community oriented by the community for the community podcast where we discuss the game and have an open mic to players about their concerns, ideas, and stories surrounding it.
So far it's been successful in terms of FH activities.
Fighting for added transparency in a community that has always been in the dark about every tiny little thing. This isn't right, and that's exactly why this thread exists in the first place.
Players have been ignored for too long. Whether or not Staff, you, or whoever else admit that won't change anything.
Hell, Esa and Valar dominate the help section on some days, taking time out of their day to help someone in need of assistance. That's not including what they've provided via mods, or just helpful tidbits.
Being warm, welcoming, and genuine. Three things that players believe Staff have failed at being for quite some time.
People might lie, but the numbers do not.
You can call my view heavily opinionated and subjective as you like, and that might be half-true.
But the poll doesn't lie. The responses to that poll don't lie. The continued outcry doesn't lie.
I am not your hero. I am not your messiah. But I am a half-wit ambassador that gives several damns about this community. No matter what's happened I've stuck around, and I've always[Even in my angry days] cared about the people in this game.
Now I have a few questions to pose:
Should we punish people for just asking to be allowed in the know? Having some small idea of what's going on behind the iron curtain?
I say no.
But what say you?
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"MOTS have absolutely no assigned tasks"
Perhaps you should re read what you agreed to?
People have chosen not to be MOTS as they did not want such responsibilities.
I'd like to repeat "Actually the moment the MOTS proposal came into we as staff basically lumbered the entire issue on the community to sort for itself."
At no point did the staff become responsible for the MOTS its not for us to tell the MOTS what to do with their time as a MOTS.
I'd also ask if anyone can find anywhere that you as a community rejected the MOTS proposal if you didn't want the MOTS to do this? Perhaps you can find a post where even one person said no we don't want this back when it was proposed?
If nobody rejected the idea I would assume that the community wanted it. Therefore you only have yourselves to answer to.
Yeah yeah double post I'm not going back to edit mine.
It'd be great to have people respond to what MOTS have to say - If we weren't first told my Staff to sit around and wait.
Just about every single idea that I've gotten, whether it be from another MOTS, a community member, or my own mind - Has been either taken out back because of how I write or put on an imaginary backburner.
It's very discouraging
I find your post to be very difficult to read as whatever you're responding to either isn't included or you're being very snappy in your passive aggressive questioning.
I don't see how people not choosing to be MOTS is at all relevant to this case.
We're fine with the responsibility
This is how we are choosing to use our time - Representing the community that elected us so they they might finally be heard.
We are actively doing what little we can with what little we've got. All we're asking is that the Staff try and do the same.
hüvasti i'm going to take a nap.
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AGAIN A GAME IS NOT A DICTATORSHIP
Not to mention you, Raz, are being quite rude and unforgiving about the manner. We JUST want more transparency and community involvement. The MOTS were not even mentioned to my knowledge. Why punish in the first place when they ONLY replied? The forum is a place for open discussion.
ALSO! Props to the MOTS and Scallywag defending the community.
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HELLO MOSES AGAIN THIS IS OF MORE CONFUSING THAT WHEN I DO WRONG MOVE ANDS SENT ONE ARMY HALVE TO SHOOT OTHER ARMY HALVE NOONE KNEW WHAT GOING ON LOTS OF SCREMI AND MORE THAN LOTS MAD FEEL GOD BLESS XOXO
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I'm just going to put this image here as a visual reminder of what this topic is all about.
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I shall never understand why the ask of little things like transparency is so much for the community to ask for in some Staff's eyes.
Blaming someone else for the Staff's slow/bare minimum performance to improve the transparency or lack thereof, is not going to make the issue go away.
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MOTS this is your one and final warning if you even entertain a situation like this again you will be booted.
You are in breach of the MOTS proposal you agreed to when you became a MOTS.
Personally I’d have you all booted now. But others believe you require a second chance.
First of all, shame on you Raz. You should never openly threaten someone's position publicly like that. That's very unprofessional. Take them into a private chat and discuss this issue away from public eye if you feel the need to.
If the MOTS believe the staff is not adhering to this proposal the MOTS should use the powers they are given under said proposal to challenge this.
This. This thread right here.
They are doing everything they possibly can. In fact, it was an ex-MOTS who brought it up. If it's their "duty" to provide more transparency, this is the first step. And quite frankly, the first step is always the hardest, most jarring experience someone has to endure to improve. Why? Because it's a challenge upon their character, what they do, and how they do it. Nobody can improve unless they're told they aren't good enough. What do you think this is?
This is not an attack. This is critique. Getting critiqued is never fun, but is has to be done for any improvement anywhere to ever be made.
Someone has to ask the hard questions and push the system. And that's, again, exactly what this is.
Under these rules the MOTS are supposed to be providing you the community answers. If you are not getting answers Maybe you should elect better MOTS.
How? How could we ever know who would have more access to information that anyone else? If all MOTS get relayed the same information, as little as it is, how can we elect MOST that would get more information? To this, I only reiterate;
Well, why don't you ask the current Members of the Season what they know about what plans we have? Because I can assure you, a lot of the content they have access to inside of the staff room is truly only a discussion that hasn't been concluded on-
They barely have any information on the game and future plans. In fact, they don't even know anything.
-it is not down to the MotS to gather that information themselves. It is down to Staff to ensure information is being relayed to them at a regular/efficient pace.
Do not blame the MOTS or anyone else for something that staff is failing to do. MOTS are not staff. How can they get information to provide more transparency if they cannot even get it in the first place?
If I recall, somewhere in that agreement I read something that went like this;
If a MOTS feels we are not doing our job they can pull us up on it.
Again, this is what they are doing. Perhaps it would have been better if it was brought up and discussed privately, to work out what's being said and not said, but it's inadvertently been placed here.
I'd also ask if anyone can find anywhere that you as a community rejected the MOTS proposal if you didn't want the MOTS to do this? Perhaps you can find a post where even one person said no we don't want this back when it was proposed?
If nobody rejected the idea I would assume that the community wanted it. Therefore you only have yourselves to answer to.
Perhaps the reason it was never rejected was because it sounded like it would fix this issue. In reality, it hasn't. The issue lies with Staff and how
they are being transparent about things. If they cannot be transparent with the only other outlet, MOTS, and give a little information about what's going on, then how can anyone ever find out.
I don't know anything that's going on behind the scenes, but I'm certain there are some things that Staff could be more transparent about. Again, we aren't looking for a lot. We're not looking for everything. We just want a little bit of insight of what's to come. What you have planned. Again. Not everything. But something.
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Haha, whoa! This is a kids' game based off The Lion King, Raz, not a 16th century monarchy! Remember that before we get all
FOOLISH MORTALS, YOU IMPOTENCY WILL HAVE YOU PUNISHED THRICE FOLD THAT OF ANY PLEBEIAN CRIMINAL UNDER THE EYES OF RAGNAR, THE BLOOD GOD.
The idea here is simple, and if regular old stupids like myself who nobody cares about, otherwise known as the general playerbase, have comments on this, I think this is extremely important. Extremely. Important.
Playing this game is like pulling teeth from time to time, and this is speaking as someone who is only a "casual" player, and if I had any other outlet would certainly play this game much less. This games staff is, known by everyone, inapproachable. That is the bottom line, and that alone is a call for something to be done. Absolutely increase transparency between the staff and the playerbase, because right now, having staff status brings you up to an untouchable elite, and i want to believe there are actual humans on that staff list who hate the fact that there is such a terrible divide.
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After reading everything, all I will say is this and I hope no one from the staff, community, higher ups take it too personally, but,
I'm truly disappointed.
I'm not surprised that something like this is still happening and even I was hoping for some bit of change overall with the relationship between staff members and the community. As I said before a long time ago, the community is what's keeping this place alive and not just the staffers. There needs to be a solid and strong relationship. As I see it, the relationship between the two is abusive and toxic.
There's nothing wrong with transparency. With it, there's trust. You TRUST your community and it's members by keeping them up to date with the updates and you TRUST them with the knowledge you're giving them. No one asking you to spill a whole bag of tea or be as descriptive as possible, they want to know their value and their worth and so far we are WORTHLESS..
I have ran communities before and even forums and I can say with certainty that there should be a waaaaaay better relationship than what's happening right now. I've always wanted to return to a loving and happy community that I once enjoyed while I was naïve but not to something like this. Not to something where members are being given THREATS to keep their mouths shut or else something happens if they dare go against a higher ups wishes, where members don't feel like absolute garbage because they're being treated like little kids...
Personally, I see there's still some growing up to do around here and not from the community members themselves..
I still plan on returning and being more involved because I refuse to see this place crash and burn and I just miss some loving friends I've made on here since way back then.
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Sweeping this issue of transparency under the rug to hope it will pass will not do much of anything. It will fester, and it will eventually grow into an even bigger issue. You as the staff asked for our opinions, well here they are. And I know many people who will agree that transparency is very important in a relationship between staff and members in any game.
and if I had any other outlet would certainly play this game much less.
I honestly agree with this statement. Why? This exact issue. If we want FeralHeart to offer new members the same (hopefully) positive experience that we have had in the past, then I believe members and staff alike need to appear more friendly to the younger audience and anyone else, no? For this to work we should first start with restoring relationships with our current staff and members.
Anyway, that’s my TED Talk.
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I basically left during the whole drama last time, this is an account of mine that I barely used, I was known as DarkLustyHumor before and helped out a lot on the forums for a time. Anyway..this is what I have to say about this:
Raz, I understand wanting privacy, I do. But you're currently treating this game like it's being run by a large corporation, which it is not. The staff members and the users are very important, as this game isn't overly popular, this is an isolated community. How the staff reacts can make or break the game. This is a game directly connected with social interaction, role playing, and there's nothing else that would keep people here other than that. So there isn't a lot to fall back on. You can't run this game in the dark, it's just not possible with the type it is. Transparency is very important, when the game itself surrounds so much around social interaction, then there needs to be a healthy relationship between the staff and the users. There's no income for this game, there's no special features. The staff that work here are volunteering their time and should be treated as more valuable than people you can just throw away. I don't know if you keep up with gaming, but if you're aware of the heat that Blizzard is going through right now for their value for their employees? They themselves are a huge company that is underwater for destroying the morale and going after hundreds of employees, when they have hundreds and hundreds to spare. Feral Heart doesn't have that, what Feral Heart has is a very few amount of staff members that are supposed to have a presence within the game and bridge the gap between staff, a terrifying hierarchy, and the other users. You can't rule by fear, in fact you shouldn't be ruling at all. The staff should be working together but still be free to enjoy themselves in the game. Without a connection to the users, why should the users trust the staff? They don't know what's going on most the time without the staff telling them. Then rumors go out of control. Just let the staff be friendly with other users, don't force them to be silent, allow them to be seen, let the users know that the staff is invested, that they care.
You already lost one group of staff. I think it's time you set your pride aside and look at things from a different perspective. This isn't a corporation, you aren't seen as royalty, you are just some person that we don't know that controls the server and may as well be a robot to the rest of us. And that's because there's such a divide. Allow the staff to be seen as people. Because this game can NOT handle this drama and survive. Eventually something is going to give if things stay this way with you feeling the staff should be so distant. And when it gives, Feral Heart is done. Your actions, how you speak, what you choose to do, will say whether you have staff that will be loyal to you and stay, or leave. They have no incentive to stay on as staff here other than nostalgia. So give them a reason to stay, give them a reason to be loyal. Be fair to them AND the other users.
Otherwise we can say goodbye to Feral Heart.
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Firstly its not a threat if i had every intention of removing them from their posts without the warning if anything its a courtesy.
This is not the place to bring up such an issue it as stated in the proposal provides no benefit to the community in fact it does the opposite.
The MOTS are treated equally so its down to what the MOTS do rather than what the staff does.
There is nobody to blame but the MOTS and as the MOTS and ex MOTS have decided to point fingers I'm simply pointing out that its the MOTS task not the staffs.
It would seem if the MOTS doesn't work I suggest we pull the additional powers if a working MOTS team cannot be found by the end of the year.
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Regardless of what else is said here I find it absolutely laughable that people are actually attempting to demonize me in all of this. Apparently my past deeds have been forgotten. Oh well you may all continue digging :)
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If the issue had brought up to only staff then I am sure both ex and current MOTS would have been given the, "we'll talk about it. hang tight" reply and then the reality being it is only briefly covered and then hardly (if at all) spoken of again. As it happens with quite a lot of suggestions that are brought up.
There is nobody else to blame but the Staff for not putting in more ideas that are then implemented if agreed upon with this issue in particular. I'm not sure why this topic came as a surprise to some of us. It's not just them pointing fingers, it's everyone. Staff have pointed fingers as much if not worse than the MOTS and community has put together and that's a real shame.
Just because people bring up issues does not mean they are ungrateful for your past deeds also. I don't think it's fair to assume that whatsoever.
I'm not going to address all of your paragraphs when it is obvious you do not do the same. I'll treat your replies exactly how you've treated everyone else's in this thread.
Especially when there is no point considering last time I tried to address everything it was met with a message calling my argument invalid. Therefore, if you do not owe us 5 minutes of your time then we do not owe you any of our time until you're willing to talk without acting as if your job as a Server Master makes you some sort of god.
Thank you for your replies nevertheless.
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If the issue had brought up to only staff then I am sure both ex and current MOTS would have been given the, "we'll talk about it. hang tight" reply and then the reality being it is only briefly covered and then hardly (if at all) spoken of again. As it happens with quite a lot of suggestions that are brought up.
I just want to clear something up here.
Just because it's briefly talked about in chats /calls only certain people have access to, doesn't mean it isn't spoken about further.
An example is that Sura and I do speak a lot more than it comes across, and we do speak to Raz about things too.
For whatever reason suggestions have been shot down, or put on a waiting list as we have grander things to deal with.
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I guess what me and others are struggling to understand is why MOTS are being held accountable for something that we as a community should expect from staff members. I don't think it should be up to three people selected for a season to ensure communications between user and staff. However, this conversation will keep happening (as I feel like it has been for years) until something changes. We can't expect change overnight, but we'd at least like something. Like more transparency, or a little monthly update on how things are coming along, or better yet if the staff themselves can't come to a decision, ask the community.
We are after all the playerbase, and there should be some consideration into what they want from this game.
And likewise, this isn't a shot or suppose to come off as ungrateful. Feral Heart is a whole is a strange situation, it's a game that's source code can't be accessed, and I think ex-staff and current staff have made the best of that situation. However, I think if we as a community and game want to move forward and to ensure some survival for a few more years, it wouldn't hurt if the community (not just MOTS), had a say in it's future developments.
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Perhaps your expectations are a little skewed maybe that the problem.
There's some kind of community assumption that these staff members you point at are supposed to be providing you some kind of information????
In the staff room there's a thread we actually call it "The Staff Thread" its dated 08-July-2012 written by Red and updated since where needed.
This thread defines 99% of a staff members role. How to perform certain actions etc and what a staff member should be doing.
It covers everything from updating parts of the site to moderation on the forum and in game. Even relevant use of social media pages.
What isn't in there is updating the community on game progress.
See, it's not a moderators job.
Now, let's look at the admin structure we have me who looks after the server and keeps things running.
You also have two forum admins who by definition look after the forum.
Yes there is a little overlap with forum staff having powers to moderate the game. Though even this is not a given, it's assumed. There have in the past been forum moderators who did not posses in game powers. And game moderators that have not had any powers on the forum.
So as you see there isn't anybody with a role to provide the answers you seek. You as a community just made an assumption.
Even if you go back as far as when LKD was providing updates, nobody knew exactly what he was working on. Things just appeared and people were just happy to have them.
Coming back to the present we still don't have a staff allocation for information passing. And talking to everyone is a heavy task. So we allowed you to pick 3 people each season who can speak for you and look into what's going on. Their powers are written and agreed to in the MOTS proposal. Its quite clear what they can and can't do.
Please stop assuming its peoples job to do things that isn't their job. Maybe they will do certain things for you that isn't in the job description. If that happens be grateful but don't sit and point fingers at people who aren't even responsible.
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It's funny you mention a thread that is yet again another thing users do not have access to in order to obtain that information.
It's also funny how you feel users shouldn't expect updates from staff that they used to get. Updates people looked forward to getting, and actually wanted. Whether or not it is their job. The current staff clearly under perform compared to staff that were here maybe 5 years ago. The present admins cannot say at all that they have a passion for this game or the community when they put no effort into it that works, and are leaving the community unhappy in the majority. This isn't how a community should feel.
Here are some things quoted from the MOD FAQ and I'm going to highlight the things that the majority of mods/admins are NOT doing.
A moderator is usually someone who helps the community with various tasks, these are here to keep track of the users and their behavior making sure they keep the rules that apply, along with keeping things organized and up to date. They have powers on either the game or forum, and can use these to engage with players* not behaving or *in need of assistance. You can say MODS are really the ones trying to keep things in motion and set the lines required for "you", the users. Moderation work is done* both on the Site/forum, as it's done *within the actual game, and tasks can vary. Their main purpose is really to help as much as possible and put up a good example for other users within the community.
Here's a few things that's common for a MOD:
- They're very active on Both within the game and on the forum. does only logging in to play forum games count 'cause if it does why isn't everyone staff
- They've shown themselves as helpful towards the community and game and has a great interest. lolol
- They're known to and have done positive actions in this community and game. you're givin me a laughter
- Know their way around the game fairly well, both inside and outside. the community is part of the game too, and they clearly don't know us at all with the way they act
Admins - Are the ones in charge of the majority of the site and staff and their work is to not only help as any other mod, but also to help the rest of the staff when needed, keeping things structured.
Moderators - Are the ones defines the word moderator. They move and lock threads around the boards, suggest things within the staff, keep users within the boundaries and do what we see as moderating. so if a moderator sees staff/user transparency as moderating, it's all of a sudden not because you say so raz?
Can a MOD get fired?
They can, but it's nothing that happens too often exactly. The only way a MOD would get fired would be if they misbehaved greatly towards the staff or community, or even abused their powers to such an extent that the Admins and the rest of the staff would be needed to take action I can name at least one other than yourself raz, and when it never got dealt with the way it should have. Activity could also be a factor if a staff member is away for very long time without letting the rest of the staff know.
When KovuLKD left, the game became the community's game- so we should be listened to and the popular things that the community want SHOULD be taken more seriously. Transparency is not as complicated as you're making it out to be. You're just giving staff a reason to be lazy and do the minimum for a game they are apparently sooooo passionate for.
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times are a little different compared to when we had lkd running the show. updates were more frequent and we had the source code.
not to mention it isn't the obligation of staff, but they did take their roles because they proved they were extremely helpful, game knowledgeable floofs who excelled at being themselves and being trustworthy individuals who knew how to be the best examples of the community and were able to be a step further, ergo warrenting the promotion to mod.
if they do not prove that anymore and if they lost their spark of communication, then they may need a reality check.
the game is small, we don't have much going for us so at least hearing there's an idea of an update is very meaningful. if the staff have a hard time caring about even that to pass it on to individuals who are chosen to do so AND WHO DO CARE then it sorta gives off the implication that.. we care but it doesn't matter. and us getting shut down like that will NOT help the game thrive.
i've told several people this in dms and elsewhere.. if the mods had nothing to hide, they wouldn't.
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MOTS this is your one and final warning if you even entertain a situation like this again you will be booted.
Wow
What a response.
Don't you think "Being that members of MOTS stand for the community" Also means bringing what the community have been talking about to attention? I can't even count the amount of times members of the community have brought this to attention to mods (Which are about 3 out of what, 15-16? considering the fact those 3 mods are the only ones online everyday) and just been given the same answer that eventually sounded like an excuse or a way to dodge the question. If a large majority of the community says something needs to change dude. Believe me, Something needs to change. You never even tried to sugar coat it either, you just outright pinned the blame on the MOTS for being the voice of the community. What's wrong with that? I'm beyond disappointed with the results of this and I hope change comes, hopefully sooner rather than later. If you want the community to be satisfied, give them something to be satisfied with instead of words. Weekly updates, blogs or something because whatever system you have in place currently, it isn't working.
And that's me putting it nicely.
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I'm terribly sorry Razmirz but I disagree with your perceptions and expectations as to what makes someone a 'staff member' and their responsibilities and tasks in general.
As a moderator it IS your responsibility to inform the community on updates and to allow some sort of transparency between staffers and the community as a whole to avoid confusions, rumors and even mistrust which is something the team currently lacks. There's more to it than what you're currently allowing / offering. Moderators are here to assist the members, keep the community running smoothly, handle tasks and responsibilities and so forth and that also INCLUDES keeping your members informed. You may end up doing something that the community doesn't agree with or see no point to it. You need that connection and as it stands, there isn't one.
It's not an assumption for members to expect something as important as 'Keeping the community informed' for that's common sense and what should be expected from a member of higher power / position. It's a part of your duty.. If you guys weren't aware of something like this, I really think there should be a reevaluation and something that should be considered before this relationship between mods and members destroys the community further.. And you can throw blame to whoever or even wherever but you're still part of this community, STILL a part of the team and you don't have a 'free pass' either.
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Unfortunately the Mod FAQ hardly covers all that a mod does and "The Staff Thread" contains information not for users. So it wouldn't be a useful argument to use to Mod FAQ. I did also mention that the "The Staff Thread" has been updated over the years.
Unfortunately the Mod FAQ may have been a little neglected on the other hand only having staff names updated. It still gives a general jist but its not completely accurate now.
I'd like to point out that I'm not a moderator. But I do have a solution to this little problem we have. I in my official position can state that there is nothing no updates or anything. That way nobody is being strung out waiting for anything. Should things change and something just appears. WOOP something came out fantastic. But the official stance can simply remain as nothing is going on.
:) problem solved when should I make the announcement?
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I'd like to point out that I'm not a moderator. But I do have a solution to this little problem we have. I in my official position can state that there is nothing no updates or anything. That way nobody is being strung out waiting for anything. Should things change and something just appears. WOOP something came out fantastic. But the official stance can simply remain as nothing is going on.
You're still a part of a team of staff, are you not. Server Master is still a member of a staff team whether you wish to agree or not. Do you not monitor the servers? Making sure everything is up and running to the best of your ability? Moderators expands from just the typical def depending on context... Aren't you an admin also?
Either way, you're still a part of the staff team one way or another or else you won't be listed as the team member to begin with in my opinion and experience you're still a part of the boat which was the point of my message. You still have responsibilities.
A part of me just thinks you don't fully understand the situation and what members are asking and if there needs to be constant teeth pulling and no compromise between two or more parties then I don't think the cycle will ever end. Actions speak louder than words and how this isn't the first time the community has gone up and arms with you, it seems that you truly don't care and wish to continue running things a certain way.
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Seems I've missed a lot in my absence, and I'm glad that Raz brought this to my attention.
All I'm seeing in this thread is just a bunch of people squabbling over things beyond their control. It's very apparent that what Raz has said is the way things should be and the fact everyone keeps going against him on everything is honestly making things worse. Y'all ain't getting anywhere with it. We all know Raz is hecking stubborn as a mule. He has his ways Set. In. Stone. But he has always constantly reassured that things would be ok in his....odd indirect way. So maybe we should all just sit back and let Raz and the staff do their thing. It's how it's been for years, and will c ontinue to be till this game finally shuts down, which will probably be another freaking decade and a half.
Am I 100% on Raz's side? No. I think he can do things a little different but constantly doing stuff like this and just testing his patience isn't going to cut it. We all see what freaking happens when he loses his cool. Do you want that again? No.
I know and totally understand that giving opinions and wanting to help this game is what everyone wants to do. I do too. But at the moment it's just not something we can fix. I want cool updates and I want things to change around here just as much as the next person but arguing over it isn't going to help.
Just my two cents. I never was much of a talker.
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Unfortunately the Mod FAQ hardly covers all that a mod does and "The Staff Thread" contains information not for users. So it wouldn't be a useful argument to use to Mod FAQ. I did also mention that the "The Staff Thread" has been updated over the years.
Unfortunately the Mod FAQ may have been a little neglected on the other hand only having staff names updated. It still gives a general jist but its not completely accurate now.
I'd like to point out that I'm not a moderator. But I do have a solution to this little problem we have. I in my official position can state that there is nothing no updates or anything. That way nobody is being strung out waiting for anything. Should things change and something just appears. WOOP something came out fantastic. But the official stance can simply remain as nothing is going on.
:) problem solved when should I make the announcement?
No Raz, that is not a solution. That's you once again taking the community for granted and throwing a tantrum. Considering your attitude towards the staff and the community which is "my way or the highway" you honestly seem like you have very little care about what happens to Feral Heart. What you are doing right now, is flaunting your power and threatening those who don't abide by your rules, instead of listening to the community properly and making proper changes accordingly. No, you shouldn't do everything a user in particular or even a small group of users wants. But for something like this, when so many people are clearly unhappy and you have a chance to make Feral Heart stronger as a whole? You clearly lack an understanding of what would keep this game alive, of the actual value of the counity. Larger community games have gone down for the same reason, don't think this place is invincible. If you remain defensive and offensive towards the other users and staff, then it's clear to me that this is all about you needing to be right and stroking your ego of power. If this was about the community itself, you wouldn't stick to your guns about something so easily fixed. All you have to do is allow transparency. That's it. But instead you're fighting about it, do you realize how quicker this situation would have been handled if you actually did that? Do you realize you wouldn't have to keep defending yourself in a way that honestly makes you look like the bad guy here?
It's time to get over yourself Raz, step off that pedestal and come down to earth. Because I really don't think you see how ridiculous this situation is, when all you had to do, was allow something that won't hurt anyone and will only increase morale.
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I am going to quote what I said previously—all though it seems unpopular, I agree with Raz that staff are not required to tell the community anything. They are in place to moderate. However, in order to promote growth, “it is only in their best interest to communicate with their community, otherwise they will only find themselves without a game to staff.”
I also want to remind everyone that this thread was not created intentionally to flame staff. I understand the anger—believe me, I do—but this was created to suggest transparency and just show that the community would greatly appreciate openness. In the end, we all just want the game to prosper, but that will never happen if staff cannot reach agreements and take note of suggestions from the community.
Feralheart needs help, it is obvious. If members of the community are willing to lend a hand, why are they being shut out of discussion? Staff should have the responsibility of choosing what is best for the community, but how can they do so without consulting the community itself? It is fundamental.
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If I must be frank, this went from 1 to 100 really quickly and it didn't need to escalate that way.
We're very fortunate that the thread wasn't locked and we're allowed to have this open discussion, even if some feathers are ruffled. And honestly I think that's just a big part of progress, even if we're all not on the same page, we still have 1 goal that I think we shouldn't loose sight of; what's best for the game.
And I just want to say for the record, I'm sorry if my responses came off in any way that wasn't constructive or a little crass. I'm just being honest and even if there isn't a written rule that staff should be forward with players in terms of updates, it doesn't make it any less valid. Like Alpha said, and what I think I should clarify, you don't have to share everything going with us. And honestly, I don't want to flame staff or point fingers. I will say it again; I think for a situation like Feral Heart, ex staff and current staff have done well at managing the game without it's original creator. But that doesn't mean there is room for improvement and that's okay. I know some expectations may seem a little unrealistic because of the circumstances Feral Heart has been faced with, but I don't think opening the door to the community, even if it was just a little bit, wouldn't be such a terrible thing.
I don't know, what do I know?
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I will not apologise for what I have stood up for, nor do I regret anything I've said.
Whichever way it has been taken - clearly mostly as an insult by most - is not something I'll take accountability for as I only speak to how I feel the community deserves more respect and better treatment, as well as some sort of enhancement in Staff's performance. For too long has the performance not been quite what it could be, but whenever people spoke up about it it was made to be some sort of attempt to degrade Staff as human beings no matter if people even put a disclaimer. No matter how human it is to react that way it is not professional or mature.
This thread, I sense, was supposed to be only objective criticism coming from AlphaEclipse with numerous people agreeing to try and bring more attention from Staff. Yet, it was taken in a completely different way which is no one else's fault but the ones who took it that wrong way.
Therefore, I will not apologise and remain to stand my ground where I deem it a necessity.
Hopefully the next time similar discussions pop up there will be less instantaneous reactions to jump down the author(s') throats and more time taken to truly process exactly what they've brought up.
Once upon a time, FeralHeart was the best place to go to.
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Maybe it's just time to accept that things are going to stay the way they are no matter how many threads are made? You can keep bringing it up but so far it's done nothing.
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While I get where some are coming from and saying how we can bring up matters and just accept how things are, people can still bring awareness to things if they're still hoping for some form of change. After time and time of a topic being mentioned, it should at the very least be considered especially if the masses supports the idea. It doesn't have to be as difficult as it's coming off as personally.
While staff members ( server master, admins, mods, etc ) aren't obligated to tell us anything.. My issue more comes from when there's major changes happening and confusions, rumors, uncertainty starts to rise more and it could be avoided. I honestly believe that this community can do a whole lot better with the relationship with the staff and it's members. No one needing to jump down on other people's throats and just be a bit more open minded and see it from other perspectives.
When you have members continuously bringing up something and you're not giving them the answer they're looking for and just using the same old copy + paste excuse, it does get a little old and starts becoming a little unprofessional. You're not robots. You can try and take a bit of time and start treating members with a bit more respect than what I've seen overall.
I have no ill feelings towards the community, the members and even staff itself other than just disappointed the way things had to go and are going. It's a neverending cycle of, 'I don't gottas' and 'Not my faults' ,etc. Enough is seriously enough. Everyone is involved in the end whether you feel a certain way and spoken up about it or not. No one needs to be lumped entirely together.
I don't even care about the updates and games, I just wish there was a lot more trust and faith between parties and not this toxicity that seems to spew out of nowhere. I know times change and we can't stop it but geezus.
I don't agree with some of the methods use and I would like to see more communication between members and staffers and while it may never happen, I'm not just going to 'accept it as is' however, I can try and do my own part and be that part of the community where it's not all that bad but pretty nice along with anyone else that does the same or does something similar.
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It doesn't hurt to consider that maybe there isn't much to be transparent over. :P This game is highly unlikely to see any updates anytime soon that isn't like, new maps unless someone wants to go and fix up and compile a new FH or sumfin'.
Though I would suggest that perhaps we should cut out the middle-man, there's a lot of word of mouth going on here, which uh, probably is going to make people jump to conclusions. A good way for lots more transparency would to make some staff threads where there's discussions visible to all, but of course read-only to normal members. That way you get your info straight from the source!!
MOTS this is your one and final warning if you even entertain a situation like this again you will be booted.
now that's just in poor taste. let us discuss!!
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Well said! It does feel like staff and long-time members tend to interact within their own circles while the rest simply scuttle about their own business, and the two groups rarely intermingle. I don't think anyone in particular is to blame for this; there's been an attitude of complacency from all parties involved. But as a result, there's no new blood circulating through the heart of the community. A steady supply of new faces, new ideas, and new projects and events to get involved in is what keeps communities alive, and keeps members active and enthusiastic. Every member-- whether they be staff, veteran, or complete newbie--needs to feel like they're a part of something, something that is more than happy to have them there. Honest, open communication between all parties is key. Perhaps I'm being a bit idealistic, but this doesn't seem like a terribly difficult standard to set. Everyone just needs to show a little initiative towards change.
(Sorry if I misunderstood the topic. Also, I haven't read all replies, so apologies if I missed important information or reiterated points.)
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Maybe it's just time to accept that things are going to stay the way they are no matter how many threads are made? You can keep bringing it up but so far it's done nothing.
at the very least by doing something and speaking up about the problem we aren't just sitting idly by.
encouraging this behavior is what allows for tensions to mount and reactions as seen in this thread to happen.
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There is nobody to blame but the MOTS and as the MOTS and ex MOTS have decided to point fingers I'm simply pointing out that its the MOTS task not the staffs.
Yes, it is their task. But how can they do their task if there's nothing to initiate that task? Really, all they feel like is just regular players who have a little bit more access on the forum than others. Yeah, they can be out and about, talking to players and chatting about ideas to be brought to staff, but, it seems every time an idea is brought to staff, we never hear about it again. Maybe rarely months later, but still. Thus bringing up the same issue as before. So, it doesn't truly help all that much.
Why?
Because before MOTS can be transparent, the staff have to be transparent.
Once again, we got that same answer;
For whatever reason suggestions have been shot down, or put on a waiting list as we have grander things to deal with.
If the MOTS can't fix this issue, then we should look further.
Who has the most information regarding the game and it's development?
The staff.
Who's the only group who can relay truthful information about what's to come and what's being worked on?
The staff.
Who's the only group that can ensure updates be put forth on what is being worked on?
The staff.
Who are the MOTS supposed to be providing more transparency with the player base?
The staff.
It's very obvious that things are backed up on the staff's end.
It would seem if the MOTS doesn't work I suggest we pull the additional powers if a working MOTS team cannot be found by the end of the year.
There should not be a middle man to make a bridge between player and staff. So, yes. Perhaps the whole MOTS thing should be removed. It's very obvious that the issue lies on the staff's end if the MOTS have not fixed the issue by now.
Quoting from the MOD FAQ;
You can say MODS are really the ones trying to keep things in motion and set the lines required for "you", the users.
Their main purpose is really to help as much as possible and put up a good example for other users within the community.
Things really don't feel "in motion" right now. All we get are the same excuses that things supposedly are being worked on, but little to no intel on where those things are now. It's understood that updates take a lot of work and time, but over months of nothing being said, I'm sure there's
something to relay.
Even if it is not stated verbatim within the rules they should provide information,
according to the rules, it is definitely implied that they should when need be. Y'know. To "keep things in motion". If they want to help, as it is expressly stated is their job, they should put together something to give a little insight into whatever it is they want us to look forward to. Something that keeps everyone interested and coming back. But if you still object to the staff members distributing information directly to the players on the forum, then the staff must provide meaningful updates and content to the MOTS for them to post said updates on the forum in the appropriate thread, on an established timetable regularly.
An example being; if it's map related, all it has to be are vague screenshots (as it has been done in the past) of the work in progress to incentivize interest.
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Maybe it's just time to accept that things are going to stay the way they are no matter how many threads are made? You can keep bringing it up but so far it's done nothing.
at the very least by doing something and speaking up about the problem we aren't just sitting idly by.
encouraging this behavior is what allows for tensions to mount and reactions as seen in this thread to happen.
Agreed
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I am so, so sorry to everyone involved in this but I have decided to leave MOTS as a whole. I will not put up with things or support what's been going on any (publicly and behind the scenes) longer. I am so sorry but I cannot handle the stress and whatnot.
Thank you dearly to everyone who gave me the chance and voted for me, I love all of you. I will not be leaving FeralHeart but I will not be participating in MOTS any longer. Thank you everyone, for the opportunity. <3
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"No one to to blame but..."
"Everyone pointing fingers..."
I express my dissappointment for this behaviour.
No one is at fault for any of this.
I did not post here to blame anyone, nor demonize, nor demoralize. I did not assume anything, I made a suggestion due to the condition of the community coming to one of the lowest of lows. I've been on the last four months, I did not intend to leave in the first place, I did not return only now just to start any trouble. I returned out of love for the community and the game... =/
Raz, I'm very appreciative for the added security, the continued support, and all of the effort you've put into this game. I don't have to dig around to know you're a really awesome dude. I'm also appreciative that you've bothered to say anything at all here, thank you.
":) problem solved when should I make the announcement?" -- Please don't, and please consider the silence about this from others as a default to not do this.
Why does it have to come to such extremes for something so small as a discussion? I'm genuinely confused by this.
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I'm not one to be involved with these kinds of things, but I am passionate about FH and it's community, and have been for many years. I would never demonize someone, it goes against everything I stand for, but I feel as though I need to state my opinion before this thread gets even messier than it is.
I remember when the updates thread had at least one update per season, or even per month some years. I think after the June 2016 update, things got quieter, and we were all left with questions like "what now?". People questioned why the population of the game went down about 50%, possibly even more after that update (although it began to drop around the time the hacking happened). Well, it's not really that hard to imagine.
In regards taking away the MOTS, I believe that if this solves the scapegoat complaints that the community have, then so be it. But I personally think that MOTS should return to the way it was; perhaps without them being involved with staff (unless they're looking to be chosen as a possible MIT), or the MOTS should actually be involved instead of also being left in the dark. I do agree that MOTS should not be used as a communication bridge between staff and the community, as it is better for the staff themselves to maintain the transparency.
I'd like to share this quote from Delay/Delayni, an ex-co-admin of FH.
"For a game such as Feralheart, communication between the staff and the players is key. Participation, activity, open-mindedness and open words -- that’s what keeps everything knit together. That is what has kept the game running for so long - or at least, that’s what I’ve perceived as an outsider looking in for the past several years. The lack of communication from arguably the most significant and relied upon member of the staff team is concerning, no matter how you look at it."
You are part of the staff team, Raz, and whether we like your decisions or not, I would never insult you or ask anything of you that would be seen as too much. Yes, you have kept this game running for countless years, and have battled many battles, and we do owe you that. But we just ask (even if there's nothing being worked on currently) for communication; whether it be by you or other staff members. For example, regular updates through the news thread maybe. Red, WhiteLightHeart, and the other staff (as well as yourself) did a good job with that throughout the years, and it kept the users happy, and they didn't feel left in the dark. That's what these people want. I understand that the current administrators are busy (I respect them both, they're great people), as we all are when it comes to life, but there's other users (as well as the current staff) that could do so much for FH and help it reach it's full potential. I'm afraid that FH has gained a negative reputation (not pointing fingers at anyone in particular for that), but it doesn't have to stay that way.
I do respect you Raz, but you should give us 5 minutes of your time, especially in your position. You, the staff, and every member that are here supporting the game that you master are the very foundation of it. We don't dislike you, and we aren't flaming you (at least I'm not), we care about what happens. Feralheart is a very large, and still somewhat active platform, which is why they ask for more transparency, and want to be heard.
You have an amazing community of people here, Raz, I hope you do see that. We all care, and we're all behind you, so long as we're listened to.
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This honestly just turned into a huge mess and it's so sad. Never before have I ever seen people actually step down from MOTS....it's....sad....this whole thing is sad. My heart cries for this game. I know things may be ok but....still....
Part of why I left in the first place and not really make a decision to ever come back. I've watched this game just....keep on a steady decline since I've been involved with the community....
I just hope Raz....that you're right and everything will be ok. Please let it be ok...I'm putting my faith and trust in you friend....
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This thread kind of was thrown off course... the main problem is that players aren't giving much insight on what is being planned. Community suggestions are being thrown to the side as "unimportant" when we don't even know what the priority is. It has nothing to do with any of the mods' (or MOTS' apparently?) individual behavior, but more as a collective whole.
Gonna quote myself. Not to toot my own horn though, just to raise a point. (that i know was mentioned before but gonna mention it again hehe)
I think the main problem with the staff team, like lack of transparency, is the fact that there isn't much that can be reported. I believe there should be more things our staff team could be able to do (such as forum editing). This game is small and we are unable to do much, yes, but there is still a lot to be done. Mostly on the forums in my perspective.
I understand how hard it is to create a new stable team in the state the game is now. So, it will be much easier to create improvements within the current moderation group right now.
But, ya know, we don't run the game. It's ultimately a choice we can't make, but please look at this in our perspective.
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I never really got a chance to put my own personal opinions in on this, as I wanted to give the space for people who had more knowledge of the way Feral Heart has changed over the last few years. However, I feel like the more people who speak out on this the better. (A lot of this will probably be already have been said, but I feel it's important either way). As someone who was a MOTS before the extra involvement was opened up to them, I really am shocked that two of the three MOTS stepped down this season. I've NEVER seen anything like that, and I think it truly speaks to what's happening between the staff and community relationships. Giving MOTS more 'power' in a sense is super cool !! I'm all for it. I will absolutely admit, I don't fully understand exactly how much the MOTS are involved, whether it's optional to become super involved, etc etc. Either way, it's really disheartening to see these people, who should be celebrated and listened to as powerful voices in this community, voluntarily step down.
Personally, I think this thread has really gone off the rails regarding the subject at hand. MOTS aside, this is about staff transparency. I don't think any of us are asking you to spill your guts about every single project that might happen over the course of the year. I believe that creating an open space for users to see that something is going on is better than nothing. This tense and almost hostile energy going on is the exact opposite of what could be happening. I truly think that being open to change, as well as communicating with the users, will create a positive and passionate energy within this lovely community full of people who want to get involved. Like I said before, nobody's asking to get MOTs level transparency with staff. I do believe that should be something special and reserved for those members. But anything that opens a direct line between staff and community, would cause so much more good than harm. I fully encourage staff to talk to the community if they don't know how they could achieve this effectively. I will never ever doubt the expertise and experience of the current staff, and they may very well know better than any of us. But there is always strength in numbers, and there are clearly so many community members wanting this to happen. We are here and we want to see progress! I absolutely fell in love with this game and all the people in it; I'd love to see this kind of problem handled with more understanding and open ears. Pushing back against the users who desperately want to keep the fire this game has lit isn't the answer we need. This shouldn't be a battle against one another, it needs to be us solving issues and problems as a community.
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I'm going to stop challenging people who clearly don't understand what they are talking about. Guess I've had enough fun. Though if people wish to continue I'm game. ;)
I didn't want to do this because I don't agree with it. Its supposed to be down to the MOTS but here goes.
The MOTS Proposal kinda vague isn't it? But it does define a small number of rules and powers along with limits to said powers.
I'll be honest It took me 3 maybe even 4 attempts to get the community this proposal. When did I finally get it in? During the chaos of last October as I was able to push it in without all the staff.
If you read the MOTS Proposal carefully you will see it actually allocates the MOTS a fairly powerful position.
Its the ultimate in transparency. Hence the staff are concerned about it being misused.
Back to why its vague. I never intended to define the MOTS role. I had ideas of how it might be used. But the moment you start adding guidelines you start limiting what can be done with it. So I tried to keep it as simple and as open as possible.
I am fully aware the staff produced a guide in the staff room for the MOTS. However any self respecting MOTS if they took the time to look at that and compare it to the proposal should be going hang on a minute this is not what I agreed to in the first place.
In 3 generations of MOTS they have not used their power to challenge the staff. It took a discussion I had yesterday with an ex MOTS to even make them realise they can ask for things to help them do their job. Hence the new board now in the news section.
To be clear the MOTS role its NOT defined by the staff. The MOTS need to look at what they have agreed to and make full use of it.
I'm most disappointed that 9 different MOTS have rolled into here now and the very little has been done by them to build their position.
One mistake I did make is to instantly swap out one set of MOTS for another I understand now that I need to allow them a transition period to hand over to each other.
Perhaps this gives a little more insight to what the MOTS should be and why I'm annoyed that fingers are still being pointed at the staff.(It's really no longer the staffs issue any more)
Lets see what happens next.
FYI I have sent invites to the runners up as we have lost some MOTS.
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I'm going to stop challenging people who clearly don't understand what they are talking about. Guess I've had enough fun. Though if people wish to continue I'm game. ;)
I didn't want to do this because I don't agree with it. Its supposed to be down to the MOTS but here goes.
The MOTS Proposal kinda vague isn't it? But it does define a small number of rules and powers along with limits to said powers.
I'll be honest It took me 3 maybe even 4 attempts to get the community this proposal. When did I finally get it in? During the chaos of last October as I was able to push it in without all the staff.
If you read the MOTS Proposal carefully you will see it actually allocates the MOTS a fairly powerful position.
Its the ultimate in transparency. Hence the staff are concerned about it being misused.
Back to why its vague. I never intended to define the MOTS role. I had ideas of how it might be used. But the moment you start adding guidelines you start limiting what can be done with it. So I tried to keep it as simple and as open as possible.
I am fully aware the staff produced a guide in the staff room for the MOTS. However any self respecting MOTS if they took the time to look at that and compare it to the proposal should be going hang on a minute this is not what I agreed to in the first place.
In 3 generations of MOTS they have not used their power to challenge the staff. It took a discussion I had yesterday with an ex MOTS to even make them realise they can ask for things to help them do their job. Hence the new board now in the news section.
To be clear the MOTS role its NOT defined by the staff. The MOTS need to look at what they have agreed to and make full use of it.
I'm most disappointed that 9 different MOTS have rolled into here now and the very little has been done by them to build their position.
One mistake I did make is to instantly swap out one set of MOTS for another I understand now that I need to allow them a transition period to hand over to each other.
Perhaps this gives a little more insight to what the MOTS should be and why I'm annoyed that fingers are still being pointed at the staff.(It's really no longer the staffs issue any more)
Lets see what happens next.
FYI I have sent invites to the runners up as we have lost some MOTS.
Oh get off your god damn high horse and quit acting like your words are some form of gospel. Let me just say one thing that's really irritated me in your response here. You make it sound like these MOTS that left the position because they realised they were wrong, No sir, that's quite delusional of you to think that. It's quite funny how you mention that we fail to understand you since you C L E A R L Y don't understand what point the MOTS tried to do, it's just the MOTS either, like I said, most of the player base agrees something needs to change. you'd probably realise that if you actually took the time to get on once in a while instead of being a damn recluse. Your response to this was totally acidic and uncalled for, and your responses further are just as bad, Allow me just to quote Vortex a minute but
"No one to blame but-"
"Everyone pointing fingers-"
You keep thinking this isn't the fault of your staff team when yes, it's your staff team's performance that's caused this but no. We can talk about anything but the performance of your precious band of narcissistic monkeys that'll jump at the given order to jump. It's your first response, the "MOTS this is your one and final warning if you even entertain a situation like this again you will be booted." That's escalated it. Nobody has agreed with your statements and yet you S T I L L believe you're right. You're just as delusional as your staff are. You'll just assume it's the MOTS trying to pander to the community and in breaches of this MOTS proposal. Sure the MOTS were meant for give some transparency to the community but don't they have a right to speak up for them if it's necessary? Most of the community believe something needs to change, I'm pretty sure that's necessary enough, no? I'd actually praise them for actually speaking up and making you more aware of it since the community have tried for months but got nothing but excuses. that or you just dodge the question. What's the matter with giving them what they want instead of threatening the people trying to do their job? You sure did a good job at showing how you handle these situations.
Apologies to the community and staff. (The ones most deserving of that title.) for snapping, I've had quite enough of this shenaniganary but I've decided to leave this here as a more of a adios message. FH's been home to me for 8 years, I've mentioned this on multiple occasions but I'm not sitting her for another minute and watching full grown adults run what Kovu created into the ground all because they too full of themselves to see what they did wrong and own up to it. Especially when the main individual codes the god damn game. I'm done pretending things will improve. The way I see it, if there's no change, there's no hope. Have fun guys! I'll speak to you bun-buns on Discord. and yes, the 3 mods I mentioned in my last post, DON'T apply to this comment whatsoever. I just want to make that clear.
Peace.
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Hey LoopyLoo
Did you read my post? Don't think you did as the only mention of the MOTS that left was the last line simply saying I've invited the runners up.
In fact reading though I beg to question if you read any of my posts. Did you actually read the MOTS Proposal before making any assumptions?
But if you really want to go good luck to you in your future endeavours.
Raz
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Your mots wouldn't have had a reason to leave if it wasn't for what you said. I've read what you said, the same gibberish about the MOTS proposal and trying to justify your logic. but like I've said that I'm assuming you haven't read is that what the MOTS tried to do was speak up about what the community want and that's a change. your response was completely ridiculous and toxic. It begs the question if you even care about the community at all? your justification isn't enough to verify what you was intending to input and you messed up, again but instead of apologising or simply admitting it, you continue to fault someone else. Those MOTS didn't deserve that at all. They had the communities best interests in mind and would speak up for them because clearly you or your mods wouldn't even take what the community said into consideration. I'll leave it at that as I'm not going to repeat myself for the third time already.
I'm done.
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Every time I look back at this thread it's a wreck! Delicious, but also, ouch so many brick in my mouth!
May I make a suggestion? Perhaps you're in need of more transparency between yourselves, rather than us. You people in the captain's chair's squabbling, because none of you can possible agree/the ones who try to bring order to your staff team are shut down and mocked, I go in-game, I see one of you, and I freak out. Why? Bottom line, there's a problem with how you function, and I don't want to get caught up in your baby-shriek thunderstorm.
Again, big love to those on the staff who are genuine people who are trying to untie this stupid knot. I want to play this game, I want to go home and pretend I'm a dog for a little while. I don't want to consume a chunk of cement because the people above me can't calm down and talk.
Remember, you're running a children's game, not all of Slovakia. Don't turn into a politician if you're not running a country
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I am yet to understand wtf is this thread about
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I am yet to understand wtf is this thread about
To make a point concerning communication and the lack thereof in this community.
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I am yet to understand wtf is this thread about
To make a point concerning communication and the lack thereof in this community.
Just enjoy the game as is; it doesn't add or take anything from you as the player
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I am yet to understand wtf is this thread about
To make a point concerning communication and the lack thereof in this community.
Just enjoy the game as is; it doesn't add or take anything from you as the player
Just because something works does not mean it can't be improved.
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I am yet to understand wtf is this thread about
To make a point concerning communication and the lack thereof in this community.
Just enjoy the game as is; it doesn't add or take anything from you as the player
Just because something works does not mean it can't be improved.
Greedy approach
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I am yet to understand wtf is this thread about
To make a point concerning communication and the lack thereof in this community.
Just enjoy the game as is; it doesn't add or take anything from you as the player
Just because something works does not mean it can't be improved.
Greedy approach
I don't follow your meaning at all. Please elaborate.
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As someone who's been on this game for 8 years now, I can say that this thread was well needed.
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My perspective is probably not with the majority;
The game is here, and it is for the user to enjoy. It is up to the devs how to run it - "Lack of communication" isn't a validation to convince devs to make more content or open up about it. In most bigger games, the developers are the last concern within the community and users don't stampede for "transparency" because they are made to accept the update content as is. My point is, make suggestions, not complaints. Fair game for both.
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I am yet to understand wtf is this thread about
To make a point concerning communication and the lack thereof in this community.
Just enjoy the game as is; it doesn't add or take anything from you as the player
Just because something works does not mean it can't be improved.
Greedy approach
Not when the people pushing for updates are both staff and MOTS alike. They’re just trying to make the game more attractive to future players so the game doesn’t die. It has dwindled because of poor actions on both sides. This is not to push our own agendas.
It is totally resonable that your response it not in the majority; I respect your honesty greatly. However, this thread was made with the purpose of being a suggestion—not an attack—based off of an anonymous poll from when I was MOTS. Whether or not the majority of the comments moved off topic is not my responsibilty. People are fed up, even though occasionally inappropriately in this thread, it does not mean their posts should be wiped away and ignored. Feralheart is obviously a small game with a team of volunteers giving their time—it is in their best interest to listen to the community, because without them, the game will cease to exist and staff will leave, just as some have already done.
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My perspective is probably not with the majority;
The game is here, and it is for the user to enjoy. It is up to the devs how to run it - "Lack of communication" isn't a validation to convince devs to make more content or open up about it. In most bigger games, the developers are the last concern within the community and users don't stampede for "transparency" because they are made to accept the update content as is. My point is, make suggestions, not complaints. Fair game for both.
I don't think you haven't been in a big gaming community before.
Many games today (mostly computer games) do follow the communities suggestions and accept their criticism. An example would literately be World Of Warcraft and Blizzard in general despite being kind of a shady company overall.
The developer of the game is also gone so I don't know man. The game is ultimately here for the community, so I think we should give the moderation team more suggestions to improve the game and forum. It's not much to ask. It's not greedy ether.
You are allowed to disagree, but keep in mind that we aren't "complaning" as a whole. The majority of us are actually making suggestions.
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My perspective is probably not with the majority;
The game is here, and it is for the user to enjoy. It is up to the devs how to run it - "Lack of communication" isn't a validation to convince devs to make more content or open up about it. In most bigger games, the developers are the last concern within the community and users don't stampede for "transparency" because they are made to accept the update content as is. My point is, make suggestions, not complaints. Fair game for both.
I don't think you haven't been in a big gaming community before.
Many games today (mostly computer games) do follow the communities suggestions and accept their criticism. An example would literately be World Of Warcraft and Blizzard in general despite being kind of a shady company overall.
The developer of the game is also gone so I don't know man. The game is ultimately here for the community, so I think we should give the moderation team more suggestions to improve the game and forum. It's not much to ask. It's not greedy ether.
You are allowed to disagree, but keep in mind that we aren't "complaning" as a whole. The majority of us are actually making suggestions.
You completely missed the point of my post. You are wrong to assume without personally knowing me; but I can assure you Blizzard devs don't personally whisper details into people's ears, even if they do take open suggestions.
So far from this thread there are very minimal solutions, many people come with their idea of approaching raz in a manner or two. I understand it is unjust to leave the decision ultimately to him alone, but for the many that are so "fed up" with how things are in place and have not much to offer to change it, things are very simple - just accept how it is or quit the game and move elsewhere.
If the man rejects your ideas, maybe it's time you start asking what the man has to offer in return; or rather what ideas he would propose himself. From the last time I've seen this issue rise, the solution to the situation made it very clear that people are not in favor of change. So what exactly are you asking for?
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All I honestly have to say is, FeralHeart is too small of a game to not take the players opinions and suggestions into consideration. I understand your view point and everything, but this thread was simply made in an attempt to grab staff's attention and throw suggestions out there. Every game can be fixed, added on to, or changed. Nothing is ever perfect the way it is.
If you cannot see that the game has shrunk by a lot over the years, then I honestly don't know what else to say. The members of this game are simply hoping to see something new, see some changes, and have hope that the game is progressing rather than continuing to fall deeper into the hole it has dug.
Everyone simply wants FeralHeart to grow, and continue growing, rather than crash and burn.
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You completely missed the point of my post. You are wrong to assume without personally knowing me; but I can assure you Blizzard devs don't personally whisper details into people's ears, even if they do take open suggestions.
So far from this thread there are very minimal solutions, many people come with their idea of approaching raz in a manner or two. I understand it is unjust to leave the decision ultimately to him alone, but for the many that are so "fed up" with how things are in place and have not much to offer to change it, things are very simple - just accept how it is or quit the game and move elsewhere.
If the man rejects your ideas, maybe it's time you start asking what the man has to offer in return; or rather what ideas he would propose himself. From the last time I've seen this issue rise, the solution to the situation made it very clear that people are not in favor of change. So what exactly are you asking for?
Nah I think I got it.
I'm and pretty much the rest of us are not asking for the staff to disclose every single thing they are planning because that's unnecessary. I can see how a few people took it too far and are "fed up" with things are being handled, and they can leave if they want. But that doesn't mean this has to go on. This has been an issue for a long time and it's a good thing that it's being addressed now better than never.
Likuu's reply basically sums it up.
To be clear I'm not trying to personally attack you, I want you to understand why this issue has arisen now and several times in the past. You don't have to change your mind, but please understand why the community feels like this.
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Make a new game
easier said than done my dude
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@elonmusk , if you joined recently based on your profile, I honestly don't think you understand this as much as old members would.
This game used to have well over the amount of members we have now, and it's gone down and down over each year. Don't you think if a lot of people had the ability to do so, they would just "make a new game"? People have tried, and it doesn't take a day or two to make a game, it takes years.
Please understand people have different opinions after being here since the beginning of the game rather than just joining a month or two ago, the game is deeper to them and has much more meaning.
Sure it may just be a chatbased game with little to do, but many people have made many friendships and amazing things from this game, and would like to continue to do so, but if the game were to no longer be here, they wouldn't have that opportunity anymore.
This is simply why people give suggestions, opinions, and push for more. They want to see new members, create bigger and better things.
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@elonmusk , if you joined recently based on your profile, I honestly don't think you understand this as much as old members would.
This game used to have well over the amount of members we have now, and it's gone down and down over each year. Don't you think if a lot of people had the ability to do so, they would just "make a new game"? People have tried, and it doesn't take a day or two to make a game, it takes years.
Please understand people have different opinions after being here since the beginning of the game rather than just joining a month or two ago, the game is deeper to them and has much more meaning.
Sure it may just be a chatbased game with little to do, but many people have made many friendships and amazing things from this game, and would like to continue to do so, but if the game were to no longer be here, they wouldn't have that opportunity anymore.
This is simply why people give suggestions, opinions, and push for more. They want to see new members, create bigger and better things.
You are yet another person to judge a book by its cover. To clarify - no, I am not "new". And yes, I am aware a game takes a while to create. And yes x2, I have made my own game too. But if everyone is so confident that the game is being run wrongly, I see no issue in taking the same, as above mentioned staff and volunteers, into a group to take the existing FH copy into a new game. Kovu doesn't care. Replace the media much like any IT server. Same thing.
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@elonmusk , if you joined recently based on your profile, I honestly don't think you understand this as much as old members would.
This game used to have well over the amount of members we have now, and it's gone down and down over each year. Don't you think if a lot of people had the ability to do so, they would just "make a new game"? People have tried, and it doesn't take a day or two to make a game, it takes years.
Please understand people have different opinions after being here since the beginning of the game rather than just joining a month or two ago, the game is deeper to them and has much more meaning.
Sure it may just be a chatbased game with little to do, but many people have made many friendships and amazing things from this game, and would like to continue to do so, but if the game were to no longer be here, they wouldn't have that opportunity anymore.
This is simply why people give suggestions, opinions, and push for more. They want to see new members, create bigger and better things.
You are yet another person to judge a book by its cover. To clarify - no, I am not "new". And yes, I am aware a game takes a while to create. And yes x2, I have made my own game too. But if everyone is so confident that the game is being run wrongly, I see no issue in taking the same, as above mentioned staff and volunteers, into a group to take the existing FH copy into a new game. Kovu doesn't care. Replace the media much like any IT server. Same thing.
In-case you skipped over it, I did indeed say "if" when saying "if you are new based on your profile", so don't worry I didn't assume, I just put all that out there in-case you happened to be! ♥ So no hard feelings there, believe me.
Again, nobody said the game is being run WRONG, they are simply giving suggestions and their opinions on more to do, to make it BETTER.
I have no say on replacing things, as I am not sure if it is even possible, depending on what they are able to actually replace.
I personally have no idea if Kovu cares or not, and neither do you? He did create the game.
I will not sit here and let this turn into a petty argument, I've stated my opinion and you have stated yours, I recommend you leave it at that.
All I did was try to get it across that the members simple want the game to keep running, rather than crash and burn, the game WILL continue to shrink in numbers if things continue to be treated the way they are. If you fail to understand that, then that's on you !
I never intended for this to turn into anything like this, and I'm sure nobody else did as well when it came to this topic and discussion. Please do have a good night or day, as this is becoming childish.
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Everything can be replaced with the right tools and motivation.
Really not sure why you're taking this as an argument, but of course
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Because you fail to understand my point of view, that is when things will become an argument.
Sure things can be replaced, though that doesn't mean they should. Neither of us are staff so we wouldn't know what could be changed and what can't be. I have heard plenty of times that a lot of things can't be replaced due to missing the source code, so I'm going off that really.
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I never said that your opinion is not valid to me. You contemplate things that I either confirm or deny, there is not much to it. I get it, you're keen to keep this game running.
You should consider though, that this is a repeating issue lately.
"Sure things can be replaced, though that doesn't mean they should." Wouldn't this argue the idea of "If things are working, doesnt mean they can't be improved"?
There is a fully functional FH clone floating around. Full source. Have a poke at it.
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You are yet another person to judge a book by its cover. To clarify - no, I am not "new".
You joined April of this year, you are most certainly "new" unless you have an older account.
Just sayin...if this is your only account, you might not fully understand their plight
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I haven't read all the responses here, and I haven't been able to get on the game for more than a few minutes in about a year. Basically since the most recent update.
That said, there's a whole lot of whining from people who are barely on the game, typically because they use a different platform, or don't leave the grounds. Am I saying that's everyone? No. But that is what I see every time I'm able to be online. Tons of people idling away on the grounds instead of enjoying everything the mods and map maker put into the game. Yet, here you are, demanding another update like the people that are behind the project is bleeping EA or something.
This game, should be dead by all means. But it's the community that's kept it alive, and deader than a door knob too. Complaining about groups not staying alive, about the updates you do get, about this that and the other, but most of what needs to be fixed is the attitude of the users at large. You guys are not owed anything by simply being here. If you want it to be better, make it that way instead of waiting for someone else to do it. You don't need updates to make the game better. You need better players.
The mods and makers can only do so much.
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I haven't read all the responses here, and I haven't been able to get on the game for more than a few minutes in about a year. Basically since the most recent update.
That said, there's a whole lot of whining from people who are barely on the game, typically because they use a different platform, or don't leave the grounds. Am I saying that's everyone? No. But that is what I see every time I'm able to be online. Tons of people idling away on the grounds instead of enjoying everything the mods and map maker put into the game. Yet, here you are, demanding another update like the people that are behind the project is bleeping EA or something.
This game, should be dead by all means. But it's the community that's kept it alive, and deader than a door knob too. Complaining about groups not staying alive, about the updates you do get, about this that and the other, but most of what needs to be fixed is the attitude of the users at large. You guys are not owed anything by simply being here. If you want it to be better, make it that way instead of waiting for someone else to do it. You don't need updates to make the game better. You need better players.
The mods and makers can only do so much.
What? This thread isn't asking for any sort of update. It is asking for staff transparency—not even that much. I don't think anyone cares to when a new update is coming, the user base just wants to be able to communicate with staff about the game more freely and openly about ideas.
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I haven't read all the responses here, and I haven't been able to get on the game for more than a few minutes in about a year. Basically since the most recent update.
That said, there's a whole lot of whining from people who are barely on the game, typically because they use a different platform, or don't leave the grounds. Am I saying that's everyone? No. But that is what I see every time I'm able to be online. Tons of people idling away on the grounds instead of enjoying everything the mods and map maker put into the game. Yet, here you are, demanding another update like the people that are behind the project is bleeping EA or something.
This game, should be dead by all means. But it's the community that's kept it alive, and deader than a door knob too. Complaining about groups not staying alive, about the updates you do get, about this that and the other, but most of what needs to be fixed is the attitude of the users at large. You guys are not owed anything by simply being here. If you want it to be better, make it that way instead of waiting for someone else to do it. You don't need updates to make the game better. You need better players.
The mods and makers can only do so much.
absolutely none of what you've mentioned is relevant to what's in this thread or any of the responses.
did you mean to respond to something else, or did you misread?
i am not asking in an antagonistic manner, i am being genuine.
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