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Three threads were created, in which all of them were "taken care of" by either staff or Raz. Honestly I don't really care who did it, but by hiding/deleting threads about concerns about the game and the community, you're simply proving our point about unnecessary censorship.
First there was https://feral-heart.com/smf/index.php?topic=68702.0 (https://feral-heart.com/smf/index.php?topic=68702.0), talking about how the hotlines were taken down simply because they were posted by a "rival" of the game. That thread was locked, though I suppose I could understand why as some posts were aggressive, including one of mine. Which I apologize for, however I feel the aggression from many users is justified. Due to the staff essentially threatening to reveal personal information of members of the community, as well as removing several people who either did nothing, or literally did nothing. People who hadn't even logged into the forums were forcibly removed from the community that day, and staff still have yet to either apologize for the action taken against these users, and/or let these people back into the community (at least to my knowledge).
Then there was "Wow..." : https://feral-heart.com/smf/index.php?topic=68721.0 (https://feral-heart.com/smf/index.php?topic=68721.0), which is no longer active. I believe all of the posts here were very tame and non-aggressive as people voiced their concerns about the situation as well as the actions of the staff. I did not notice any obvious aggression from anybody giving critique and/or tips to the staff here. Anyway, I'm just saying, this thread came out fairly passive and was still removed. Further proving the point of concerns listed anyway. It has come to my attention that this thread was hidden/deleted due to the discussion of the forced removal of users. In which I apologize as it is a rule, however, I do not necessarily agree with this rule, given the circumstances. Reasoning being that unjust removal of users should be brought to light. Yes, I understand why the rule exists, but in the case of this situation, I feel it should be overlooked simply because of what has happened concerning this topic.
Last but not least, "Privacy Policy Concerns" : https://feral-heart.com/smf/index.php?topic=68722.0 (https://feral-heart.com/smf/index.php?topic=68722.0), this link is also now dead. The original poster had posted this because they were genuinely concerned about what happened in "Let's Talk about Censorship" (the first link), mainly concerning the threat of personal info of two of the community members from staff as doing this would seem to be against the privacy policy. However, upon reading the entirety of the privacy policy, https://feral-heart.com/terms/ (https://feral-heart.com/terms/) it does not state anything about redistributing member information, outside of emails. However, the threat or action of revealing another's personal information is actually illegal. Making this thread very much valid. I will not say that the staff in question did straight up reveal information on the users, however the way the information was provided publicly, backed by claims of the user posing as multiple people via multi-accounting (which isn't against the rules to begin with, last time I understood), it appeared and presented itself with malicious intent, and/or as a threat by the specified staff member.
Of course I could be wrong, I am not that person nor do I know what they were thinking outside of proving a point when they posted the blocked out content. However, that does not make the actions taken, justified or right. As they still haven't bothered to edit out the contents of the post, or even delete the reply as a whole, and as stated previously, appears malicious. On top of this happening, no other staff member has even bothered to point out that this specifics staffer's actions are wrong and/or justified. They simply danced around the questions and topics, having yet to let the people who received unfair and unjust punishment back into the community, along with apologizing for the way things were handled.
On top of the actions taken, the staff (or any members of the higher-ups) continue to damper out people's concerns by deleting or hiding threads containing such concerns. Which only further proves the point and reasoning of the original concerns posted.
I'm sure everyone is sick of seeing these threads popping up and then disappearing, but this is actually a serious issue and puts the community in a place in which they're no longer safe. Take the information provided as you will (I have more links to things, but they have been posted multiple times and were deleted), but I believe this is a serious issue that needs to be addressed not only by the community but by the staff and their "leader". The staff cannot back out of the pit that was dug, however that does not mean it's impossible to right the wrongs or at least try to improve, using the past actions seen as wrongs to better the way things are handled and managed.
Firstly, I think starting by allowing removed users that were removed days ago would be a fantastic start. As none of the rules (to my knowledge) were truly broken. Secondly, I think sending an apology for such events and the way things were handled would be another great thing to see, as well as a private apology for the two users who's information was threatened on a public thread. Punishment for actions taken, I myself do believe because of the action taken inside that one thread are punishable. Things like this should not be taken lightly, especially within your staff team, this is a serious issue. If one of your staff members is threatening to give off personal information on users to "prove a point" then they should be removed from the staff team, as that is not right or justifiable in one bit. Of course, this is just what I believe and feel on the matters at hand. Take them as you will, but these are just a few things I think could be done to start improving the staff team and management of the site and/or game.
I apologize for the passive aggressive title as well, but I am genuinely frustrated with the actions staff have taken against members of the community. It would be different if rules were broken, however this is not the case and I think such things should be known by both the community and the staff, and I also believe the information should remain available. I do truly believe things can be improved for both the game and the way things are managed, however that requires the willingness to take feedback more seriously and the willingness to change the foundation you've previously built. Times are changing and actions speak louder than most words I think it's time Feral-Heart changed too.
Thank you for coming to my TedTalk, have a wonderful day!
Also to all who may or may not respond to this post, DO NOT attack staff or generally anybody, nobody deserves this as everyone has an opinion that may differ from your own, in which case you should respect that even given the circumstances and situation at hand. Attacking people or threatening them solves absolutely nothing, so please if you wish to voice your opinion, do so civilly.
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I appreciate your efforts, but nothing will change. Change has been asked for - for a very long time - and won't happen.
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There many thing Has happened when you weren't online, Bloo… Well, links to posts are above (I say posts, cuz these removed could be just hidden).
For Lark - unforumantely I agree. I could understand a little blocking censorship thread but hiding/removing needed discussions? Really? I'm sad and confused. Anyone delated these threads, it was bad step. Very bad. As someone said already (I don't remember who, so sorry) as staff would be muting community, as community will scream louder.
I'm not attacing staff here. But I just wanna know - why are you doing this? Banning FHU staff. Now delating these threads. At begeinning I defented staff, but… with these steps i'm really not sure what is right for now.
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You shouldn't claim to know things you don't and state them as if they are fact. That's all I have to say about this thread.
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As Laarikin said, there are links that have been posted multiple times and deleted before.
But I would like to drop them in again for everyone to see, including Bloo. who has missed out on this information.
Here's the video: 2020 FH AMV: Sweet Caroline (https://youtu.be/vPS7GS7j0rc)
Here's the Google Doc, which is updated every time we have more information: EVERYONE GOT BEANED OMEGALUL (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1oMkI9bVP97v-pQMsKl31CE98FQlyXg960LkIpqYaewY/edit?usp=sharing) (Please read this document to it's entirety. I know it's a lot but we have a lot of valuable information, including stuff about the admins actions outside of this specific situation. Thanks!)
It's been said before my many people over and over again but I'd like to restate it also.
We are not here to attack. We do not hate Feral Heart nor the staff.
We want to be heard and action to be taken. We want positive change.
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As Laarikin said, there are links that have been posted multiple times and deleted before.
But I would like to drop them in again for everyone to see, including Bloo. who has missed out on this information.
Here's the video: 2020 FH AMV: Sweet Caroline (https://youtu.be/vPS7GS7j0rc)
Here's the Google Doc, which is updated every time we have more information: EVERYONE GOT BEANED OMEGALUL (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1oMkI9bVP97v-pQMsKl31CE98FQlyXg960LkIpqYaewY/edit?usp=sharing) (Please read this document to it's entirety. I know it's a lot but we have a lot of valuable information, including stuff about the admins actions outside of this specific situation. Thanks!)
It's been said before my many people over and over again but I'd like to restate it also.
We are not here to attack. We do not hate Feral Heart nor the staff.
We want to be heard and action to be taken. We want positive change.
Adding on to this statement, the reason why the titles are the way they are is because you wont take us seriously. Therefore, the golden rule applies.
I will delete the video if all of our bans are taken off the record and undone, the community will get an apology, and Birdie and her friend get private apologies. I don't care if they are genuine or not.
Thank you.
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Nobody likes ultimatums do they?
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Maybe Raz will toss a bone our way at some point to clear the air. He could freeze the site again like he did a while back ago with his screenshot post. Just to at least stop all these new threads being created and deleted and created again, so he can explain why or something. Who knows tho.
Thank you Laarikin for keeping your post calm/civil, was able to read through it without getting fired up lol.
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I'm concerned about the future but let's see what happens. Hope everyone can resolve their differences and rivalries ❤️
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Nobody likes ultimatums do they?
What else are we supposed to do? I can add more to the 'ultimatum' if you want, Bloo. I'm sick and tired of this.
Look at this. This is not okay. This screenshot was posted in a server a few minutes ago.
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/734136924117139507/735227317554774062/unknown_3.png)
Like I said. This is getting tiring.
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Personally, I just want to know what staff has to say for themselves. I am only guessing that the fhU related "silencings" were 100% planned, as with those that were "silenced" before they even had a chance to have their voices heard. People are going to keep posting and keep posting and keep posting until you guys say something of value instead of redirecting. Eventually you're going to run the entire community out of your game. Just look at the numbers.
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You dont think we're sick and tired? Lol if you guys could only read the disgusting anonymous messages we've been slammed with in the staff evals. You have no idea so stop pretending you do to make a point.
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You dont think we're sick and tired? Lol if you guys could only read the disgusting anonymous messages we've been slammed with in the staff evals. You have no idea so stop pretending you do to make a point.
Then prove it. Show us these anonymous messages. I'm done playing nice.
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You shouldn't claim to know things you don't and state them as if they are fact. That's all I have to say about this thread.
Can the false claims be explained/ironed out then? Genuinely- if any of the claims Laarikin made were incorrect or inaccurate, could you please explain what truly is going on?
Because from my perspective, as someone who has silently been watching this all go down up until this point, nothing is incorrect about those claims. Nothing is far-fetched. I've watched things get locked or flat out disappear. I know people who were directly affected. Everyone is confused and frustrated by the lack of explanation and communication, and I believe it will only get worse the more and more it's pushed to the side. The more it's swept under the rug, the more irate the community gets.
And I know- I understand all of this may fall into the drama category, which the forum rules do not support. But, speaking on behalf of others, I believe a lot of folks are simply trying to find answers/unity, as opposed to blatantly starting problems.
So, with all due respect, I would like to know where we're wrong if we're wrong. I would like to know what's causing this cascade. Feralheart means a lot to a lot of people, myself included. Many of us have grown up with it to some degree, and have been there for all the big shifts. So again, I think I speak for a lot of people when I say that we don't want to see this happening. We don't want this unrest to be occurring. Especially during a year where unrest is so prevalent already. We just want to come to this game as a type of safe space.
And I think the foundation of any safe space is open communication. Also please, I'm not trying to start further trouble, nor am I pointing fingers. I understand everyone is thoroughly frustrated. I just feel further communication is what this situation needs.
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You dont think we're sick and tired? Lol if you guys could only read the disgusting anonymous messages we've been slammed with in the staff evals. You have no idea so stop pretending you do to make a point.
1. The staff evals are anonymous, I don't know what y'all expected when trolls can easily take advantage of this. Also! This doesn't make anyone else's civil opinion any less valid. You think you're the only ones in staff history who got messages like that?
2. Don't act like you all didn't vote and name names on who to ban on the forums, you all were in kahoots with that.
3. You're going to blame someone with genuine concerns pinned against a couple of comments on the staff evaluations when they aren't even correlated. If that's your excuse as to why you guys went off the rocker and started banning people, my condolences to your game. You can't blame everyone else.
4. Stop acting like you're the only ones sick and tired. If you couldn't tell, your community is done with this. They just wanted genuine answers, but instead all that's been done is shifting blame.
Thanks for everyone who responded civilly. I wish this game luck.
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You dont think we're sick and tired? Lol if you guys could only read the disgusting anonymous messages we've been slammed with in the staff evals. You have no idea so stop pretending you do to make a point.
This still....... is a horrible response, honestly.
The people who are sending terrible things (like death threats)? Those people are not us, they do not represent us, and we do not agree with them in any way. We have already condemned those kinds of actions and asked people to stop.
Aside from that, you're still dodging what we're saying and this is why we keep going.
The staff here are unprofessional, "corrupt", and "abuse" their powers. You guys don't listen to us and that will be the reason why this game dies. We're not here to see the game die, we're here to see it thrive. But you guys won't let it thrive. If you care about Feral Heart so much, please clean the wax out of your ears, wipe the sleep from your eyes, and please pay attention to what the community has to say.
Even people who were on the staff's side are starting to see what's going and are turning sides. You're not convincing anyone of anything, especially that pity party of a first sentence.
And to say we have "no idea" is absolutely disgusting and I'm appalled that you even thought to say that. I cannot believe I read a moderator, someone with power, say that.
Edit: Grammatical errors.
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You dont think we're sick and tired? Lol if you guys could only read the disgusting anonymous messages we've been slammed with in the staff evals. You have no idea so stop pretending you do to make a point.
Bloo. You can't use this as a ''gotcha''. All the people arguing have made a point to tell people not to harass staff. The actions of some rogue people don't undo the real criticism you're facing. Anon hate sucks, and I'm sorry you're getting it. But if you want us to ''stop pretending that we know things'' then perhaps you could tell us things? Some clarity and transparency would've stopped this whole thing from the beginning
At the end of the day, ever single ''drama'' that's every erupted on this site (which in my opinion is usually just some, albeit sometimes heated, criticism. Ignoring the people to take it as a chance to lash out, of course.) comes down to lack of transparency
If you tell us things, then we can stop making assumptions. Because then we won't have to guess why staff are behaving the way they do.
And when I say tell us things, I mean prove them. You guys have, frankly, trashed a lot of the trust you might have had. Screenshots are needed.
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Whether or not you guys get hate-mail, as shitty as it is for people to do that, is beside the point, tbh. Redirect attempted, missed.
Like the above, we do not condone that behavior at all.
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If youre so sick of this game then leave lol Idk why y'all stick around if you aren't getting what you want. How long have we been running in this circle?
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If youre so sick of this game then leave lol Idk why y'all stick around if you aren't getting what you want. How long have we been running in this circle?
Okay. Guess we are leaving then. Bye! :)
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Bye!
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We want positive change in the community and staff.
If we left, there would be nobody left to speak for the community. Because you guys are proving ybou would rather control people than communicate about problems with the community.
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Eh, no matter what happens I'll stick around. I personally don't know what is happening on the staff side of things but I do worry for them. With everything they have dealt within FH's past and still having to deal with it now, it sucks. Coulda been Raz doing most of this deleting and banning but he hasn't spoken up about it yet. Coulda been more drama than any of us know behind the scenes. People say the staff have a job to do but they aren't even getting paid, so mad respect to them from me. I woulda left ages ago lol.
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If youre so sick of this game then leave lol Idk why y'all stick around if you aren't getting what you want. How long have we been running in this circle?
We stick around because we care about this community and want to help it. A lot of people already have left or are in the process of leaving, those of us sticking around are trying, once again, to get our voices and our concerns heard.
This is from a genuine place of wanting somewhere I spent 7 years to flourish. I made some of my best friends here. I want the best for this game. Which is why I continue to chime in. Saying "lol just leave" in response to people presenting problems you can fix to better your community is horrid behavior for a moderator or any staff member.
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We are not sick of the game. If we were, we wouldn't be trying to make an effort.
We are sick of that exact same behavior you keep exerting over and over again. But you're right Bloo, maybe we should all dip if we really care enough to speak out since we are 'sick of the game,' thank you for the advice.
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If youre so sick of this game then leave lol Idk why y'all stick around if you aren't getting what you want. How long have we been running in this circle?
I would like to quote something that I literally just said.
We're not here to see the game die, we're here to see it thrive. But you guys won't let it thrive. If you care about Feral Heart so much, please clean the wax out of your ears, wipe the sleep from your eyes, and please pay attention to what the community has to say.
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If you were still in FN, like the some of FH staff is, you'd know what was going on, and that their behavior is not only condoned, but inspired by Raz. (@wolfdog)
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We have tried for ages to get you guys what you want. We have worked on a new MIT training system, we have been working on game updates, we've been working on forum updates. Y'all just grab onto any rumor flung your way and run with it. You literally have no clue what goes on behind the scenes, not a single clue.
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We would, if you communicated.
And we know all those promised updates are never going to happen as long as Raz says no.
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Then TELL us, please!
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Jace I left that server because of drama. Because of the hype FHU was getting and the trash talk FH was getting. It was so very frustrating when you had your own channel and your own Patreon discord server. I am so glad I left now, seeing all this, saved me a lot of anxiety lol.
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We have tried for ages to get you guys what you want. We have worked on a new MIT training system, we have been working on game updates, we've been working on forum updates. Y'all just grab onto any rumor flung your way and run with it. You literally have no clue what goes on behind the scenes, not a single clue.
I'm going to say one thing. Why are you being so dodgy about this? Send us proof that you are doing this stuff. Send us proof of these death threats. Send us something to work with here. Christ.
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We have tried for ages to get you guys what you want. We have worked on a new MIT training system, we have been working on game updates, we've been working on forum updates. Y'all just grab onto any rumor flung your way and run with it. You literally have no clue what goes on behind the scenes, not a single clue.
The problem isn't the game itself. We're not asking for forum updates.
We're asking that you guys take accountability for your actions when you're wrong. And we haven't seen anyone do that. At all.
Lord Suragaha literally soft-doxxed someone and it was just.... brushed over. Nothing happened.
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Raz is the one behind the progress of these updates, additionally he's also the one not allowing us to share that progress. Once again, it is out of our hands but who's taking the blame?
I'd love to send proof of the threats and the nasty messages, I mean absolutely God awful, sickening messages we get, but they greatly go against the forums rules.
If i literally had the choice, I would 100% share my proof.
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We stay because we care. We're here on this thread because we care. We're not here to damage the game. Quite the opposite actually- we want to see it flourish again. I've been playing this game off and on since 2011. I've been through all the giant updates and changes. I know there have to be a TON of veteran players like myself, who just want the best for the game/community they've grown up with. If I didn't care, I could have EASILY peaced out/not spoken up. Same with everyone else.
But no- there are problems. We're addressing those problems. We're attempting to iron out those problems. And we're trying to level out any sour relationships. But what that requires is open communication and explanation.
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Raz is the one behind the progress of these updates, additionally he's also the one not allowing us to share that progress. Once again, it is out of our hands but who's taking the blame?
I'd love to send proof of the threats and the nasty messages, I mean absolutely God awful, sickening messages we get, but they greatly go against the forums rules.
Dm them to me. Guppy#3446 I can spread it in FN.
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Raz is the one behind the progress of these updates, additionally he's also the one not allowing us to share that progress. Once again, it is out of our hands but who's taking the blame?
I'd love to send proof of the threats and the nasty messages, I mean absolutely God awful, sickening messages we get, but they greatly go against the forums rules.
If i literally had the choice, I would 100% share my proof.
Staff members have already broken their own rules multiple times.
Don't be shy, show the screenshots.
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Why would that be frustrating? FN has never been an official home for FH players. In fact they don't like that there is a discord server that was so closely tied.
Give us a reason why not to be excite for a game whose staff was neglected at best, by Raz, went out on their own and found Kovu, to get permission to run a server that listens and truly, openly, communicates as much as possible with their ever growing community.
fhU is what fh could've been if Raz didn't ignore and neglect his staff.
That is also not what all the hubbub is about right now.
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Raz is the one behind the progress of these updates, additionally he's also the one not allowing us to share that progress. Once again, it is out of our hands but who's taking the blame?
I'd love to send proof of the threats and the nasty messages, I mean absolutely God awful, sickening messages we get, but they greatly go against the forums rules.
If i literally had the choice, I would 100% share my proof.
Okay. But what about Sura's soft-doxing? What about the fact ex-mods and admins still have admin/mod powers in-game?
The staff say you can't control Raz, and sure, you can't, but if he's just doing whatever he wants, then what's the point of staff?
Raz won't let you talk about game progress. Okay. Sure. Why don't you just tell us what you're planning on doing about staff blatantly breaking the rules then? And the lack of basic maintenance like removing old staff?
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Raz is the one behind the progress of these updates, additionally he's also the one not allowing us to share that progress. Once again, it is out of our hands but who's taking the blame?
I'd love to send proof of the threats and the nasty messages, I mean absolutely God awful, sickening messages we get, but they greatly go against the forums rules.
Dm them to me. Guppy#3446 I can spread it in FN.
I'd rather not lol You like to think I twist the truth so I can't imagine where those screenshots would go or how they'd be interpreted. It isn't solely my decision anyways.
As for everyone else bringing up doxxing and staff breaking rules, y'all I havent even been here. I've been preparing for the air force and undergoing surgery, I came back TODAY to address this in the most blunt way I possibly could.
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Raz is the one behind the progress of these updates, additionally he's also the one not allowing us to share that progress. Once again, it is out of our hands but who's taking the blame?
I'd love to send proof of the threats and the nasty messages, I mean absolutely God awful, sickening messages we get, but they greatly go against the forums rules.
Dm them to me. Guppy#3446 I can spread it in FN.
I'd rather not lol You like to think I twist the truth so I can't imagine where those screenshots would go or how they'd be interpreted. It isn't solely my decision anyways.
As for everyone else bringing up doxxing and staff breaking rules, y'all I havent even been here. I've been preparing for the air force and undergoing surgery, I came back TODAY to address this in the most blunt way I possibly could.
If you don't have any idea what's going on, then why are you the one commenting? You just admitted you don't really know what the issues are. Send someone who knows what's going on.
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Raz is the one behind the progress of these updates, additionally he's also the one not allowing us to share that progress. Once again, it is out of our hands but who's taking the blame?
I'd love to send proof of the threats and the nasty messages, I mean absolutely God awful, sickening messages we get, but they greatly go against the forums rules.
Dm them to me. Guppy#3446 I can spread it in FN.
I'd rather not lol You like to think I twist the truth so I can't imagine where those screenshots would go or how they'd be interpreted. It isn't solely my decision anyways.
As for everyone else bringing up doxxing and staff breaking rules, y'all I havent even been here. I've been preparing for the air force and undergoing surgery, I came back TODAY to address this in the most blunt way I possibly could.
You JUST said you'd love to share the proof. Why the sudden switch?
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Raz is the one behind the progress of these updates, additionally he's also the one not allowing us to share that progress. Once again, it is out of our hands but who's taking the blame?
I'd love to send proof of the threats and the nasty messages, I mean absolutely God awful, sickening messages we get, but they greatly go against the forums rules.
Dm them to me. Guppy#3446 I can spread it in FN.
I'd rather not lol You like to think I twist the truth so I can't imagine where those screenshots would go or how they'd be interpreted. It isn't solely my decision anyways.
As for everyone else bringing up doxxing and staff breaking rules, y'all I havent even been here. I've been preparing for the air force and undergoing surgery, I came back TODAY to address this in the most blunt way I possibly could.
https://failure-heart.tumblr.com/image/624282029167607808 context as some one sent this to a tumblr account
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Because, Jace, it felt like pick FH or pick FHU. Not really any middle ground. Another user and I spoke up about our slight dislike for FHU and things became hectic.
But yeah that isn't what this was about, so I will stop there.
Bloo I hope your surgery went well and good luck in the air force!
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Lol I've been active enough on discord to know everything that's going on as well as where it's rooted. Maybe you guys should send someone who knows what's going on, because I haven't seen that yet.
Bruh, yea id love to send the proof but it isnt my decision to hand them out to individuals especially if idk where they're going and how they're being interpreted.
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Agree with Falc'. You tell us not to talk about things we don't know first hand, but here we are with you doing there very same.
That said, I hope your recovery from surgery is going well and don't overstress yourself, bloo
And @wolfdog, that was never the case. At least not that I saw. The thing is, we wouldn't be here if we didn't both enjoy (or used to) fh, and look forward to fhU.
Is it so wrong to want answers?
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Lol I've been active enough on discord to know everything that's going on as well as where it's rooted. Maybe you guys should send someone who knows what's going on, because I haven't seen that yet.
Bruh, yea id love to send the proof but it isnt my decision to hand them out to individuals especially if idk where they're going and how they're being interpreted.
Okay but the issues we have are staff breaking rules and soft-doxxing. Those are the issues. If you won't address them, then why comment? Those are what we want addressed.
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Addendum: You also said you weren't here and implied you didn't know what was going on with the doxxing, etc. But then you say you do? Which is it?
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I honestly kinda thought staff would just not respond anymore and let these die out on their own. So far though, this one seems the most civil out of the trilogy lol so good luck my dudes!
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Wow..
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I understand you want those issues addressed, I do. However I've only just been promoted to moderator and I lack the power to do anything about it. I suppose I comment out of frustration, just like everyone else, huh.
I know that things have been happening on the forums such as the bans and the deleting of threads, however because I've been so busy i haven't been able to look at them in depth. I know OF what's going on.
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I honestly kinda thought staff would just not respond anymore and let these die out on their own. So far though, this one seems the most civil out of the trilogy lol so good luck my dudes!
I would hope that would not be the case. Because clearly, miscommunication only adds fuel to the fire. Things need to be only discussed, or else the situation will get worse.
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I honestly kinda thought staff would just not respond anymore and let these die out on their own. So far though, this one seems the most civil out of the trilogy lol so good luck my dudes!
This one actually is the most uncivil out of all of them....
The only person on the staff team who has actually been civil is SpicyDirt.
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Maybe because we've all had our turn at trying to be civil and it going nowhere.
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I understand you want those issues addressed, I do. However I've only just been promoted to moderator and I lack the power to do anything about it. I suppose I comment out of frustration, just like everyone else, huh.
I know that things have been happening on the forums such as the bans and the deleting of threads, however because I've been so busy i haven't been able to look at them in depth. I know OF what's going on.
Then you acknowledge that you have nothing really to add to the conversation except more frustration. And that you have no answers for us. And that, using your admittedly new position as a mod, you've likely just worsened the staff's image by getting quite passive aggressive.
I'm saying this trying to point out that you are not in a position to be speaking down to us ''if we only knew what was going on behind the scenes'' as it seems you are as out of the loop and upset as we are.
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As staff it is your job to be civil even when the members are not. That is your job as the ones who signed up to keep the order. You are still human, and you are allowed to make mistakes and get angry. But it's your job to maintain civility, and therefore it is your responsibility to own your mistakes and step back when you feel you are too upset to do your job.
Your comment was the exact opposite of that.
Maybe because we've all had our turn at trying to be civil and it going nowhere.
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Maybe because we've all had our turn at trying to be civil and it going nowhere.
It went nowhere because staff just ended up banning all of us and making excuses for themselves.
They haven't even made an attempt to take accountability.
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However you'd like to interpret it. I'm human just as you all are, y'all seem to forget we donate our time to this game, we dont get paid. I have to stay absolutely calm and professional while I'm personally targeted and you guys can just go off? I guess so.
I'll just roll over and back off of this thread, sorry for my opinions lol
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Just another comment in the wind, don't mind me.
I mean this sincerely and with no intent to insult- how are staff convincing themselves that this is absolutely the most professional, mature, and constructive means to handle this situation?
I've been watching and reading through this since it started a few days ago and I'm amazed how terribly this has been treated. No point in restating things, since that gets avoided in favor of acknowledging how the staff are doing first and foremost, but you all know what I mean. Also no point in bringing up the past threads- my focus is in this one. I don't presume to know staff, not what they're going through, and not what they've got going among themselves. But this? Passive aggressive one-liners? "Leave if you don't like it?" "We've done what we can?" "You don't know what's going on behind the scenes."
Well yes, that's the point. Transparency has been a major want from the community for I don't know how long. Sure, updates are nice. New things are lovely to have. But what's the use when the staff, the people who are supposed to be running the show, don't change at all?
Anyway, my main point, as this thread updates by the minute, is that staff have absolutely no reason to be jumping into every thread putting their opinion in. Well thought out and carefully researched [with evidence as the cherry on top] posts are coming from the opposition, sealing it off with civil statements that they do not want staff to be bullied and that FH is still their passion. The staff? Half-hearted remarks, "blunt" statements, contradicting statements, no essence of accountability, nor recognition of wrong-doing. The mention of anon hate is unfortunate, but also irrelevant to the people here trying their best to get something positive done.
People were quick to want proof about the wrongs committed these past few days, but the favor isn't being returned on your end. This is a circle because instead of truly tackling the issue, it's being dodged, redirected, or completely muddled by various perspectives from what's supposed to be a united staff team.
As stated by others, you're people. Everyone knows that. People make mistakes, people get heated. But as staff of a rather large community, it is your job and responsibility, I say this generally not individually, to be professional, mature, and the safe figure people can look up to. Paid work or not, you accepted the title and therefore the responsibility to do so. This is not an opinion, it is the truth, and so far it looks like it's an awfully difficult concept to grasp.
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In the end, it doesn't matter what happens behind the curtain. It matters what you do about it. You can't control everything but you can control how you react to it.
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I believe many have reached a point where they're beyond "being civil," because there are still no answers. There is still zero justification for anything that has happened. A lot of users, like myself, are just wanting some sort of explanation, some sort of open communication! Yes, we're all frustrated. Yes, we're all human and acting out of annoyance. Like y'all, I can only say it so many times as respectfully as I can manage: we need communication and answers.
There's a sort of giant wall up. You're seeing it from your perspective, and we're seeing it from ours. So that needs to be broken down!
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However you'd like to interpret it. I'm human just as you all are, y'all seem to forget we donate our time to this game, we dont get paid. I have to stay absolutely calm and professional while I'm personally targeted and you guys can just go off? I guess so.
I'll just roll over and back off of this thread, sorry for my opinions lol
You signed up for what is essentially a customer service job. This is what customer service is, and in my experience we've been a lot more civil that what you'd get working retail.
And like you said, you're not being paid. If you feel the responsibilities of a moderator are too demanding, you can leave any time you like.
But yes, as a representative of the FH staff team, essentially working in customer service and representing a brand, it is your job to remain professional
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However you'd like to interpret it. I'm human just as you all are, y'all seem to forget we donate our time to this game, we dont get paid. I have to stay absolutely calm and professional while I'm personally targeted and you guys can just go off? I guess so.
I'll just roll over and back off of this thread, sorry for my opinions lol
Mate, nobody is personally targeting you. We're replying to you. We're still being as civil as we can be about this.
And you're not being "calm and professional". This is actually the most uncalm and unprofessional I've seen ANYONE. Not even just on FeralHeart. It's incredibly disgusting and disappointing and I can't believe these are words coming out of a MODERATOR'S mouth.
You shouldn't have replied in the first place because as you admitted yourself, you don't know the full situation. You weren't here to see it all. We have been, though. And at this point... they weren't opinions. You were being passive-aggressive and acting like you were factual and we weren't.
It's upsetting the way things are being ran here and we're calling for change, accountability, and for everyone to be unbanned and apologized to.
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However you'd like to interpret it. I'm human just as you all are, y'all seem to forget we donate our time to this game, we dont get paid. I have to stay absolutely calm and professional while I'm personally targeted and you guys can just go off? I guess so.
I'll just roll over and back off of this thread, sorry for my opinions lol
Mate, nobody is personally targeting you. We're replying to you. We're still being as civil as we can be about this.
And you're not being "calm and professional". This is actually the most uncalm and unprofessional I've seen ANYONE. Not even just on FeralHeart. It's incredibly disgusting and disappointing and I can't believe these are words coming out of a MODERATOR'S mouth.
You shouldn't have replied in the first place because as you admitted yourself, you don't know the full situation. You weren't here to see it all. We have been, though. And at this point... they weren't opinions. You were being passive-aggressive and acting like you were factual and we weren't.
It's upsetting the way things are being ran here and we're calling for change, accountability, and for everyone to be unbanned and apologized to.
We have not targeted you. There has been no passive aggression or talking-down like you have done. We have provided evidence for our claims and have stated clearly what we want, and yet you dodge the question and claim victim.
We are being civil, but we are not letting you dodge the point. if you call the ''targeting'' then I don't know what to tell you.
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Okay, this thread says I can't leave forum alone for TEN MINUTES. Excellent.
It looks like There's only one person who can solve it.
Raz.
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Okay, this thread says I can't leave forum alone for TEN MINUTES. Excellent.
It looks like There's only one person who can solve it.
Raz.
what would raz do to fix this? just shut everything down like he's done before?
Why should we turn to authority when many who he's put in a position of power are abusing that power.
(Ex, "soft" doxxing, unjust removal and punching-down of criticism)
How can you possibly trust him to handle this?
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Whoever is making people disappear needs to address why that's happening (perhaps not explaining each individual case, since that'd be an alleged break of the rules; just in regards to the current situation as a whole). Whoever is deleting posts needs to explain why that's happening. Because this has caused such a response, motives need to visible to the community. Yes, we don't know what's going on behind the scenes. But why don't we? Why is that shrouded in such secrecy? It might help us get a better understanding of what all is going on. Maybe now is the time for us to know.
Dodging topics, dancing around questions, and deleting...ironically falls back into the issue of "censorship." And we shouldn't be two separate sides here. We're a community.
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If I can give my two cents in this thread; I think that people need to chill a bit. No one is attacking anyone here. The only crime I've seen in this thread is a condescending attitude and passive aggressiveness. Can't we just have a discussion about issues effecting the community without taking it personally? This isn't "drama" unless you make it drama. If you don't want people responding to you and potentially disagreeing with you, then don't post. You have the option to stay out of it if it's stressing you out. The recent shenanigans are affecting a sizable number of active users, and I'd say they have a right to be critical of the situation, and a right to some kind of resolution.
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Okay, this thread says I can't leave forum alone for TEN MINUTES. Excellent.
It looks like There's only one person who can solve it.
Raz.
what would raz do to fix this? just shut everything down like he's done before?
Why should we turn to authority when many who he's put in a position of power are abusing that power.
(Ex, "soft" doxxing, unjust removal and punching-down of criticism)
How can you possibly trust him to handle this?
Well, actually i'm TRYING to trust. I hope that he could tell us. Why this everything happens. If he couldn't remove x's thread, everything would be better - more, possible that drama wouldn't excist.
I'm just looking for possible solves, but... by every answer here it looks like we have less ways. Less, and less...
And agree with above, atmosphere here is heck. I can't handle it, lol.
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You shouldn't claim to know things you don't and state them as if they are fact. That's all I have to say about this thread.
Though I will admit I do not know both sides, but I do know that people were removed en masse without good reasoning and staff still will not give reasoning as to why so many people were forcibly removed from the community. On top of that, as I have stated in the op, staff still haven't said anything about the personal information being threatened on the thread and still refuse to do so, as I've observed. As for everything being fact, this is not true. For many statements I've made, I claimed that "this is what I know", "this is what I think", and "this is what I believe". I never meant for any of it to come off as fact aside from the actions I have witnessed as well as have gathered hard evidence on the topic. Though I am sorry it came off this way, I never meant for it to come off as fact, as I meant for it to be "this is what I know and this is what I think".
Raz is the one behind the progress of these updates, additionally he's also the one not allowing us to share that progress. Once again, it is out of our hands but who's taking the blame?
I'd love to send proof of the threats and the nasty messages, I mean absolutely God awful, sickening messages we get, but they greatly go against the forums rules.
If i literally had the choice, I would 100% share my proof.
By forum updates we mean updates on the situation we're all dealing with right now (at least that's what I mean by it, I could have misread that entirely). I will not deny that you guys get hate messages, because I'm sure you do, but this has been brought up plenty of times, all of which nobody asked about this. I'm sorry but, I am not attacking you by saying what I said. We just want to be heard instead of blocked out. However, I very much apologize for you feeling this way. I cannot speak for everyone here, however.
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Censoring really isn't okay
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You dont think we're sick and tired? Lol if you guys could only read the disgusting anonymous messages we've been slammed with in the staff evals. You have no idea so stop pretending you do to make a point.
This is an example of acting in a way that has to do with emotions. If you have been receiving nasty messages, then that's wrong. However, taking it out on the rest of the users that have legitimate concerns does not pan out. When someone is a moderator, the best course of action is to treat things as not personal, but for the betterment of the community. Take criticism and use it to alter your own actions to make things more clear, and be more professional about them. I've seen things being claimed as harassment in threads that clearly weren't. A staff member is just that, a staff member, it's important to push personal feelings aside and do what's best for the community. Responding to the community in a manner that isn't aggressive or flippant.
When discussing problems, and interacting with people normally, there is a big difference of how it should be handled. Interactions with people normally, be yourself. When doing anything involved with the staff, it's time to put on a professional persona and forge through it. There's a time and place for everything, and a proper way to handle things.
There are serious issues here, and getting defensive instead of re-evaluating everything will not work. Bias, will not work. There hasn't even been a proper apology for putting a user's security at risk. The staff have responsibility to deal with situations maturely instead of silencing users. Being combative doesn't help anything, silencing people only festers more issues. If pride and doubling down on things that are making a lot of people unhappy is how something is being dealt with, then the staff needs a serious revamp or a leader that can properly guide them and teach them how to act professionally. They also need to take personal accountability instead of trying to shut people up and make it all go away. It's not going to work. You can remove as many users as you want, it's only going to hurt the game. It's not like FH has such a plethora of users that things can so easily be overlooked as small isolated cases.
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This thread premise is fake.
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This thread premise is fake.
Can you please explain to me why so many people I know have been directly affected then? Or would you mind providing your perspective/evidence against the initial post? If you have a different side of the story/different reasoning, I'd genuinely like to hear it.
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This thread premise is fake.
There's several documents and wayback machine links providing hard evidence of what's going on. I suggest reading the replies to this (https://feral-heart.com/smf/index.php?topic=68702.0) thread thoroughly.
Edit: The document links have been deleted, but if you're curious to reading them, I'd be more than happy to direct message them to you.
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This thread premise is fake.
Please do not flame-bait, if you do not have anything useful to contribute to the topic, do not contribute at all. Doing this will only cause further issues. So please refrain from doing so.
Concerning this topic, I want things to remain civil, of course I am no staff member so I cannot necessarily do anything to enforce this ideology (may have used this word wrong, my bad if I did). I will point out however, many posters are correct. Bloo, I have nothing against you personally, but you have been acting out as anything but civil and reasonable, even admitting that you know little about the issue. I believe you shouldn't have done this, however it's already done and nothing can be changed. I do wish that everything went well in terms of your surgery though!
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On that note, Laarikin, you are absolutely correct. I'd like to formally apologize to everyone regarding my behavior earlier in this discussion. I was frustrated and let my emotions get the best of me, I can't say whether or not my heavy medication contributed or not, but regardless it was immature, irresponsible, and unprofessional for me to have reacted the way I did.
I can understand if this apology goes unaccepted, but I wanted to do it anyways because it was eating me up for awhile. You all make really great points and I really hope you see the changes you want in a capacity that benefits everyone.
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This post has to be approved by a mod so let's hope it passes through yay
Bloo's original comments aside, I still want answers to why my friends were banned, some of which weren't even on the forum posting.
Its day 3 of asking and I still got no answers so uh... yeah. Would really like them, thanks.
Would also like to ask for a piece of mind that you won't ban me too for asking, but so far nothing has shown me otherwise so if I get crushed too its been fun yall
Edit: while I was waiting to get approved Bluu posted sbove me so I just wanna say
THANK YOU BLUU I know its not easy to apologize for things but this really means a lot to me, it does give me hope and peace
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On that note, Laarikin, you are absolutely correct. I'd like to formally apologize to everyone regarding my behavior earlier in this discussion. I was frustrated and let my emotions get the best of me, I can't say whether or not my heavy medication contributed or not, but regardless it was immature, irresponsible, and unprofessional for me to have reacted the way I did.
I can understand if this apology goes unaccepted, but I wanted to do it anyways because it was eating me up for awhile. You all make really great points and I really hope you see the changes you want in a capacity that benefits everyone.
Thank you for apologizing, this actually means a lot in regards to the situation. We all have our moments, I understand, but seriously. Thank you for apologizing, that means a lot, you have no idea.
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On that note, Laarikin, you are absolutely correct. I'd like to formally apologize to everyone regarding my behavior earlier in this discussion. I was frustrated and let my emotions get the best of me, I can't say whether or not my heavy medication contributed or not, but regardless it was immature, irresponsible, and unprofessional for me to have reacted the way I did.
I can understand if this apology goes unaccepted, but I wanted to do it anyways because it was eating me up for awhile. You all make really great points and I really hope you see the changes you want in a capacity that benefits everyone.
That's all we want. Positive changes in staff and/or their behavior that benefits the game and most importantly, the community here.
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On that note, Laarikin, you are absolutely correct. I'd like to formally apologize to everyone regarding my behavior earlier in this discussion. I was frustrated and let my emotions get the best of me, I can't say whether or not my heavy medication contributed or not, but regardless it was immature, irresponsible, and unprofessional for me to have reacted the way I did.
I can understand if this apology goes unaccepted, but I wanted to do it anyways because it was eating me up for awhile. You all make really great points and I really hope you see the changes you want in a capacity that benefits everyone.
Thank you so, so much!! This genuinely does mean a lot to us!!
We're just asking that you guys listen to our concerns and take it in rather than pushing it away every chance.
Since they can't say it here, I'm dropping a screenshot of everyone saying thank you.
(https://i.imgur.com/LwGqP6D.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/hjdANQN.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/2nnftUI.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/du6Nrqn.png)
Again, we're not here to attack anyone. We're not here to see Feral Heart's downfall.
We're here begging for positive change, we want Feral Heart to thrive again.
Please just let us in.
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On that note, Laarikin, you are absolutely correct. I'd like to formally apologize to everyone regarding my behavior earlier in this discussion. I was frustrated and let my emotions get the best of me, I can't say whether or not my heavy medication contributed or not, but regardless it was immature, irresponsible, and unprofessional for me to have reacted the way I did.
I can understand if this apology goes unaccepted, but I wanted to do it anyways because it was eating me up for awhile. You all make really great points and I really hope you see the changes you want in a capacity that benefits everyone.
Thank you for apologizing, this actually means a lot in regards to the situation. We all have our moments, I understand, but seriously. Thank you for apologizing, that means a lot, you have no idea.
I really hope my post gets approved by mod, but thank you for apologizing Bloo, it shows a lot. A little apology goes a long way in my eyes. Thank you for, also, hoping we get the changes that we seek.
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On that note, Laarikin, you are absolutely correct. I'd like to formally apologize to everyone regarding my behavior earlier in this discussion. I was frustrated and let my emotions get the best of me, I can't say whether or not my heavy medication contributed or not, but regardless it was immature, irresponsible, and unprofessional for me to have reacted the way I did.
I can understand if this apology goes unaccepted, but I wanted to do it anyways because it was eating me up for awhile. You all make really great points and I really hope you see the changes you want in a capacity that benefits everyone.
Thank you so much. It really does mean a lot! It's incredibly refreshing to have someone listen and take accountability. I'm sure everyone appreciates this more than you know. So again, thank you!
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On that note, Laarikin, you are absolutely correct. I'd like to formally apologize to everyone regarding my behavior earlier in this discussion. I was frustrated and let my emotions get the best of me, I can't say whether or not my heavy medication contributed or not, but regardless it was immature, irresponsible, and unprofessional for me to have reacted the way I did.
I can understand if this apology goes unaccepted, but I wanted to do it anyways because it was eating me up for awhile. You all make really great points and I really hope you see the changes you want in a capacity that benefits everyone.
Yes, thank you, this is exactly what is needed. Kudos to you for being respectful and showing more of a caring stance.
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I'm late here, I was, -sarcastic cough-, sleeping. What I wanna say, good job Bloo. It looks like we'll run on good way soon c:
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Ive been lurking this thread for quite a while but Im going to add in now - Thank you, Bloo for apologizing
in a mature way. It certainly takes courage to admit your wrongdoings and as a staff member ,it is a responsibility I salute you for
`Again, we're not here to attack anyone. We're not here to see Feral Heart's downfall.
We're here begging for positive change, we want Feral Heart to thrive again.`
I second this statement.