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Game & Forum Discussion => Game Discussion => Game Polls => Topic started by: Rak$ha on July 22, 2011, 08:51:26 am

Title: Language Rule
Post by: Rak$ha on July 22, 2011, 08:51:26 am
No matter what, any language will be allowed in at least Local chat.
Thing is, not every in-game mod understands any other language, other than English.
So, because of this, other games are limited to english only.
But should FH be like that? No.
Other languages will always be allowed in FH, although... Should any language be allowed in General?
It annoys most english speakers and it annoys some mods when they can't understand what someone says when they speak a different language in General.

English should be the only language allowed in General, no?
Title: Re: Language Rule
Post by: Zaroque on July 22, 2011, 08:59:53 am
I've seen a  few debates about this In-game Rak$ha, all of them have turned out to: English only. Because Foreign languages sometimes SPAM up the General.
Voting English, I have nothing against other people though, its just that General should really be kept clean and just simple with one language.
^ A lot of people will disagree with me though, but thats just my general though.
Title: Re: Language Rule
Post by: Ruby1234 on July 24, 2011, 06:04:39 pm
I am the only one so far voting any language. :-\

I believe any language should be allowed. It's anyone's fault that they can't speak English, it's not fair. If you get annoyed, TURN GENERAL OFF. Some people think it spams up the the chat, I disagree.

Spam (Verb):
"Send the same message indiscriminately to (large numbers of recipients) on the Internet."

Being such, I believe it's not spam. They are simply talking.


I know almost everyone will disagree, but this is my opinion.
Title: Re: Language Rule
Post by: Zaroque on July 24, 2011, 07:17:36 pm
Quote from: xRubyx on July 24, 2011, 06:04:39 pm
I am the only one so far voting any language. :-\

I believe any language should be allowed. It's anyone's fault that they can't speak English, it's not fair. If you get annoyed, TURN GENERAL OFF. Some people think it spams up the the chat, I disagree.

Spam (Verb):
"Send the same message indiscriminately to (large numbers of recipients) on the Internet."

Being such, I believe it's not spam. They are simply talking.


I know almost everyone will disagree, but this is my opinion.

Well, I do agree with you in a sense, Ruby. But generally I would guess the majority of people speak English on FH (Correct me if I am wrong) and even if they where foreign and know how to speak English. But also, English people SPAM up general to, so generally Foreign and English speakers might HAVE to change to turning General off.
^ I wrote this quickly without a lot of thought, it might be confusing or rough.
Title: Re: Language Rule
Post by: Ruby1234 on July 25, 2011, 02:08:39 am
Quote from: Zaroque on July 24, 2011, 07:17:36 pm

Well, I do agree with you in a sense, Ruby. But generally I would guess the majority of people speak English on FH (Correct me if I am wrong) and even if they where foreign and know how to speak English. But also, English people SPAM up general to, so generally Foreign and English speakers might HAVE to change to turning General off.
^ I wrote this quickly without a lot of thought, it might be confusing or rough.

Yeah, English people do spam, most of it's English people anyways.
I just don't see why (this isn't at you, you're simply stating your opinion, not making a huge deal) some people make a HUGE deal about people speaking another language, it's not spam, and then they don't even care about English spam.
Title: Re: Language Rule
Post by: Tigg on July 29, 2011, 04:28:44 am
I always wonder how some Users could even go through this page of registrations and then installing the game when they cant talk a single english word proper.

I recommend at least some knowing of english so that if you get in trouble you can explain yourself. But of course if you have language-mates you want to talk with them in the language they can do talk. Yeah, i am not very sure about that. It would make things easier for, at least, Mods. But on other Hand we would take away the right for everyone to get handeled the same way. It would make us look racists. And this is nothing i push too far, thats a fact.

I dont like to say it but if we have other languages, we should care for that we get Mods who are able to understand and talk both languages very well. We cant go along and push it down to the Users, cause it was already sed.. the Users are not the problem, they dont come along to annoy us with their language, they simply never learned proper english.
Title: Re: Language Rule
Post by: SpiritXD on July 31, 2011, 09:30:57 pm
I really think english should only be used on General. Foreign languages really get on my nerves, not just because I haven't a clue what they're saying, but they're usually spamming, and not to mention that the Mods are having trouble dealing with them. If they don't know English, then they should at least try to learn it. It may be hard to in other languages, but it's well worth it.
Title: Re: Language Rule
Post by: CallofDutyGirl on August 02, 2011, 06:50:21 pm
Well, I think it should be english only. Or you could make a server for seperate languages. People annoy me with their foreign words. >.< This is an english site, so if you can't speak english, why join?
Title: Re: Language Rule
Post by: wolffox on August 04, 2011, 01:30:54 am
I agree. English only in General chat, since the majority of our users speak it fluently (even if some of them insist on using "u" and "yhu" for the word "you"...) In local and other chats, another language is fine. Or a separate server would be a good idea too, as Calli has suggested. Either way, it simply makes it easier on everyone. If someone who cant speak English needs help, they can ask one of their friends to translate and/or ask for help for them, in a language that more people can understand.
Title: Re: Language Rule
Post by: GemWolf on August 04, 2011, 04:31:43 am
Quote from: xRubyx on July 24, 2011, 06:04:39 pm
I am the only one so far voting any language. :-\

I believe any language should be allowed. It's anyone's fault that they can't speak English, it's not fair. If you get annoyed, TURN GENERAL OFF. Some people think it spams up the the chat, I disagree.

Spam (Verb):
"Send the same message indiscriminately to (large numbers of recipients) on the Internet."

Being such, I believe it's not spam. They are simply talking.


I know almost everyone will disagree, but this is my opinion.

 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ She said it all for me.
Title: Re: Language Rule
Post by: Hamilton on August 04, 2011, 06:23:08 pm
Quote from: xRubyx on July 24, 2011, 06:04:39 pm
I am the only one so far voting any language. :-\

I believe any language should be allowed. It's anyone's fault that they can't speak English, it's not fair. If you get annoyed, TURN GENERAL OFF. Some people think it spams up the the chat, I disagree.

Spam (Verb):
"Send the same message indiscriminately to (large numbers of recipients) on the Internet."

Being such, I believe it's not spam. They are simply talking.


I know almost everyone will disagree, but this is my opinion.

Thank You.



I have no other civil words to add here. :|
Title: Re: Language Rule
Post by: Jitters on August 04, 2011, 06:30:00 pm
But it isn't just about being annoying, it is about mods understanding what is going on. How can they do their jobs properly is they can't understand what is being said? I believe FH should be English in General chat because that is what the mods speak.
Title: Re: Language Rule
Post by: wolffox on August 04, 2011, 09:24:24 pm
It's not about spamming or people not liking another language. It's just the fact that the staff speaks English, as well as most of the other users. :T
Title: Re: Language Rule
Post by: Rak$ha on August 10, 2011, 12:30:47 am
^
that

Plus I don't understand how it'll make us 'racist' since most other games are english only as well.
Title: Re: Language Rule
Post by: wolffox on August 11, 2011, 03:18:25 am
It just makes the game easier to play for the majority of FH users. People who don't speak another language can always-... -trails off, distracted by Rak's sig-

...Anyways. o_o; They can always ask their friends to translate or ask for help for them. And they would still be able to talk in any language they want in local chat.
Title: Re: Language Rule
Post by: Tigg on August 11, 2011, 11:32:32 am
Ok, other scenario.

What will you do if someone uses another language in general?
Will you go along and tell them to stop, use another chat?
What if they wont do it?
Will you kick them? Will you even ban them if they go on? Because if so then its -not- right. You cant punish someone for using their native language, just because they wont understand english. If you tell them to stop.. you can obvious guess: They.wont.understand.you.anyways!
Other games are in english, yes, but i never saw a rule in them that you only are allowed to talk english. at least i never saw a -serious and well lead- game.

There will be always other languages since the ones with bad english do not go on here reading the rules we made. Why? cause they wont understand them anyways. Obvious that the rule wont come up to the ppl we want to not talk in general, it wont help to have it.

By the way i dont see any much other languages besides english in general.
Title: Re: Language Rule
Post by: wolffox on August 12, 2011, 01:59:07 pm
Hmm, Tigg has a point. I don't see many other languages in General besides English. And if there are, the people speaking them usually move to local pretty quickly when General Chat fills up with people who speak English.
Eh, except in Ficho late at night, there's nothing but Polish in General. It doesn't bother me too much but I honestly I don't know if they're cussing at me or anything cause, I don't speak Polish.

I understand about the rule thing, though. Kicking/banning a person for simply speaking their language... That does sound kinda wrong.
But there ARE groups of people that speak other languages. Rus, for example. They don't go filling up General with the Russian language because they have something on the end of their name that lets us know they speak Russian and Russian only. And they keep it to local chat. Maybe it could be a rule that people who speak any other language but English have to add something like that to the end of their character's name?

Nevertheless, I do still think there should be English only in General, at least for the most part, since most of the staff only speaks English anyways.
Title: Re: Language Rule
Post by: CallofDutyGirl on August 21, 2011, 02:43:34 pm
Or we could have seperate mods for seperate languages? A different server or map for different languages? I don't know, but I'm sure someone will figure something out. I think that english only for general chat, maybe english only for local, and the rest of them you could probably do whatever language.
Title: Re: Language Rule
Post by: Kyugima on August 21, 2011, 08:20:50 pm
^ Having english only for local AND General kinda restricts people speaking other languages... Considering they then can't talk at ALL.
Title: Re: Language Rule
Post by: Redlinelies on August 21, 2011, 10:54:12 pm
I do honestly not know which side I stand on here.

But just a thinker for everyone out there no matter what.

If the users doesn't even understand the slight of the English language..

How do we know they read/understand any of the rules that exist for the game?

How do we know they actually follow the rules and terms given that everyone else must follow no matter what? Some mods and rules here are rather strict, and if they don't even understand when they're warned for an action they're doing it's 100% their cause if they end up getting kicked off the server.

It shouldn't matter if they don't understand them if everyone else that does must follow them. We can't just give them an exception, and even though I have a rather small vocabulary when it comes to other langs I catch people saying swears in other langs fairly often actually.

Maybe tolerance will be needed from some of the users in the game when it comes to other languages in the chats. Local is fine and all, but since this is general chat we're most likely talking about now I can see how both parties have a valid point.

Kicking and banning someone for speaking their language does sound wrong, but kicking and banning someone that doesn't follow the given rules doesn't. I personally think that stopping people from using the general chat in another language would be just as hard as stopping the trolling/pointless crap people write in english.

Rule for only english in general I'm not sure about if I'd like to see. But making it a situation where using the "not understand warnings" as an argument feels kinda dry to me since every user should follow the given rules even if we add a new one.
Title: Re: Language Rule
Post by: FoxfangPitbull on August 26, 2011, 05:47:52 pm
Quote from: xRubyx on July 24, 2011, 06:04:39 pm
I am the only one so far voting any language. :-\

I believe any language should be allowed. It's anyone's fault that they can't speak English, it's not fair. If you get annoyed, TURN GENERAL OFF. Some people think it spams up the the chat, I disagree.

Spam (Verb):
"Send the same message indiscriminately to (large numbers of recipients) on the Internet."

Being such, I believe it's not spam. They are simply talking.


I know almost everyone will disagree, but this is my opinion.

I definitely agree. Because what do you think some foreign language speaking user think of english. We could be "spamming up general" in their eyes for all we know.

EDIT: This is really bad and possibly n00bish of me to say but: Language filters?
I'm not even SURE where to start with this...but erm...could it happen?
Title: Re: Language Rule
Post by: Redlinelies on August 27, 2011, 01:03:53 am
no, I do not think it could xD
Title: Re: Language Rule
Post by: zeitgeist on September 03, 2011, 10:05:37 pm
I think FH is perfect the way it is I mean, Does It matter if your Spanish, Or Russian, Or even Chinese? I think not but well, I know the worlds not perfect so I know many will probably disagree but...At least i can say this aloud and feel happy abut it!  ;D
((Not ment to be offensive or hurtful in any way. ^^))
Title: Re: Language Rule
Post by: COOLKAT on September 14, 2011, 12:26:42 am
im voting for just english because sometimes i get confused of what they are saying and i dont have anything against ppl who dont speak english it just gets frustrating on what they say 
Title: Re: Language Rule
Post by: spirit333 on September 14, 2011, 05:30:40 am
No, it is being racist to them. You are putting them down because they cannot speak proper english. I agree completly with Tigg. Just because they speak another language, doesn't make them ANY different. We all forget;they're people, just like the rest of us. How would you feel if you found an amazing game, but the first language was finnish and you have no idea how to read or speak it. They'd tell you the same thing as we are now in THIS game. Just because english is our first language, doesn't mean we are any more special then them. We are all equal. Not EVERYONE speaks english, it's called culture. Learning from other people, and learning that there are BILLIONS of people that speak another language. The world isn't made of english people guys. We need to look farther then ourselves once in a while. Think about it.
Title: Re: Language Rule
Post by: Lupaparva on September 14, 2011, 07:44:28 am
Voting for English.
There is a big difference between Finnish and English: English is a global language you are supossed to know while spending time on international sites. If you want all people to hear and understand you (as you want when you write in General Chat) you have to use an universal language everyone understands.
And IF people want to write in their language (I do sometimes, too), they can use Local Chat or even better: Group Chat or Whisper.
Title: Re: Language Rule
Post by: wolf444 on September 14, 2011, 11:33:29 pm
Voting for all language, I agree with silver and Tigg. And yes, there is a difference between languages, but there is no difference between people! We are ALL people guys! You need to understand there arent JUST english people!
And mods, why bother trying to tell them to speak english when they probably can't understand you! Are they trying to annoy you? No. They are not.
I'm sorry, but you guys are being extremly, EXTREMLY short-sighted. Think about other people around the world OTHER THEN YOURSELVES!
Title: Re: Language Rule
Post by: Redlinelies on September 14, 2011, 11:40:15 pm
You guys should read my earlier post though which would question everyone.

I'm not sure I like to keep the general to english only, but we are infact not saying english in the game only, it's just for general chat. And yarr. Other points as well..

*Points up*
Title: Re: Language Rule
Post by: Lupaparva on September 15, 2011, 09:24:40 pm
@IlanaSky: I am sorry, too, but it is also short-sighted to believe we are just thinking about ourselves. I am thinking about communication.
The mods want them to speak English so the mods can do their job and look if all user follow the rules. If they wouldn't, that would mean that you can break the rules, swear and troll as long as you don't do in English.
You are right: People ARE equal. And since English is world language and taught in almost every country nowadays, everyone who joins international sites and wants to speak with people from other countries is supposed to speak and understand it. You don't have to be "English people" to speak English (hell, I am not!). You just have to show some respect to your fellow human beings and speak in a way they can understand, so you can have a proper conservation. If you don't want to speak to people who don't speak your language, don't use the general chat.

EDIT: Btw, most of the people I know in here learned English since the second or at least third grade. So if someone of the "newer generation", who can write (and use the internet o_O) already, can't even understand a little English, it's really really strange.
(And in most international MMORPGs I played all players were encouraged to speak English in world chat.)

EDIT2: @Silver: Oh, and it doesn't have to do anything with racism anyway.
For example: Let's say world language were Esperanto and everyone had a chance to learn it just like English now. Esperanto is nobody's first language, so everyone had to learn it equally. To communicate, we had to use Esperanto, since nobody can speak every language. If we wanted the General chat to be only Esperanto, would that be racism?

And to calm all this a little bit down: In an other thread were a suggestion for different chat tabs. If that were made and we could use one for English only an other one for the other languages, would that be okay for you?
Title: Re: Language Rule
Post by: spirit333 on September 15, 2011, 11:27:12 pm
I don't care what you have to say to my post, It was an opinion and you didn't need to answer. You're pointing out my flaws in my post and I don't appreciate it. My opinion is my opinion, you don't need to judge it.
And just to say, Ilana is NOT being short-sigheted to think that most of us are just think about english people. She has proof, read all the comments. 95% of them are voting for english if you haven't noticed.
Title: Re: Language Rule
Post by: Lupaparva on September 15, 2011, 11:36:31 pm
I did not mean to judge it and only wanted to explain my opinion by pointing this out.
I am sorry if that sounded offending. That "racism" thing I heared one time to much on the internet and now I am maybe a bit... sensitive to that. Again, I am sorry if I was unfair.

And I noticed that most of the commenters voted for English-only, but I don't think that this is only a result of thinking just about people who use it as their main language.
Title: Re: Language Rule
Post by: spirit333 on September 16, 2011, 12:14:53 am
Yes, I'm sensitive to racism aswell, as I'm spanish and have darker skin. So I get racist comments a lot.
Title: Re: Language Rule
Post by: Lupaparva on September 16, 2011, 12:28:26 am
So I am not very gentle sometimes, you are not offended now, we both have our different opinions and everything is fine, right? :)
Maybe I just let myself got carried away. Sometimes I don't seem to find the edge of how much I can say without insulting someone.
Title: Re: Language Rule
Post by: spirit333 on September 16, 2011, 12:35:54 am
Yep everything is fine ^^ We're just giving our opinions. I too get carried away when someone just TALKS about racism.. :/ Like I said, I do get a lot of it, so I'm sensitive toward it. 
And yes, same, sometimes I say something that doesn't SEEM insulting. But it is. Not that you we're! <-- It's just something that I sometimes do :/
Title: Re: Language Rule
Post by: belladona on November 03, 2011, 11:29:00 pm
ok honestly i'm not up for the allowing all language because it really does spam chat but i know english also mostly spam i can certainly agree with the diff language server it would be easy for everyone i think
Title: Re: Language Rule
Post by: Khloe on November 04, 2011, 07:07:44 pm
I think english only because some foreign people could be talking inappropiate to each other or about others and the Mod wouldn't know. They could try and sell something to somebody or try and scam them and the mod might not know. I have no problem with any other language I just think it should just be english so the Mods can monitor everyone who is talking.

Also it doesn't matter what language, spam should be monitored and be on the down low.
Title: Re: Language Rule
Post by: Definition on November 06, 2011, 03:38:23 pm
Quote from: xRubyx on July 24, 2011, 06:04:39 pm
I am the only one so far voting any language. :-\

I believe any language should be allowed. It's anyone's fault that they can't speak English, it's not fair. If you get annoyed, TURN GENERAL OFF. Some people think it spams up the the chat, I disagree.

Spam (Verb):
"Send the same message indiscriminately to (large numbers of recipients) on the Internet."

Being such, I believe it's not spam. They are simply talking.


I know almost everyone will disagree, but this is my opinion.
^ agreed.

Quote from: Sameth on August 04, 2011, 06:30:00 pm
But it isn't just about being annoying, it is about mods understanding what is going on. How can they do their jobs properly is they can't understand what is being said? I believe FH should be English in General chat because that is what the mods speak.

Well if moderators don't understand, then what are the chances of other english-speaking people will ? If you can't understand, how do you know it's bad or good? Let's say I join a game where the majority of people speak Laotian, and I wanted to play and chat. I could say something simple such as, "how do you jump and play?". Then out of no where I get banned/kicked for chatting in english. I can read the rules, but how can I understand it? What if the line, " No language other than Laotian only in chat" was translated incorrectly to, "Any language allowed in chat but no Laotian".

I think banning someone just because you don't know what they're saying is ridiculous.

Quote from: Khloe on November 04, 2011, 07:07:44 pm
I think english only because some foreign people could be talking inappropiate to each other or about others and the Mod wouldn't know. They could try and sell something to somebody or try and scam them and the mod might not know. I have no problem with any other language I just think it should just be english so the Mods can monitor everyone who is talking.

Also it doesn't matter what language, spam should be monitored and be on the down low.

Good point. But any language is allowed in local, how come not general? This could happen in local as well. We're pretty much limiting freedom of speech here. But that's just my opinion.
Title: Re: Language Rule
Post by: Redlinelies on November 06, 2011, 04:50:01 pm
I'm not sure where I should stand in this to be honest but I did think I made a few things clear in earlier posts though.

But aye, before using "freedom of speech" as a point.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech)

I've even seen people smart talking back to mods when they got warned or kicked because of them swearing or using another language, sometimes even both in the chats, saying they're free to say as they like because of freedom of speech. This just reminded me that it's not there to let people break the rules, especially if people sign up to the site/game under the given agreements and terms. Even though seeing this as a limitation of freedom of speech, it is a long shot to me.

If you play a sport, you follow the rules for it but you also joined it as a volunteer, no one forced anyone here.(sorry to trail of the subject a lil just the swearing reminded me)

People are free to think and say the things they want, but even though I'm not sure I love the only english in general rule I'm not sure if freedom of speech is a valid point why it shouldn't be there.
Title: Re: Language Rule
Post by: Definition on November 06, 2011, 09:55:58 pm
Quote from: Red on November 06, 2011, 04:50:01 pm
I'm not sure where I should stand in this to be honest but I did think I made a few things clear in earlier posts though.

My apologies, I didn't bother to thoroughly read long pages of posts before I made my own. x3

I agree that moderators have the right of kicking/banning someone if they broke the rules, but that's not what I meant by freedom of speech.

Not allowing someone to speak in General because of their language, thus preventing them from speaking is what I meant to imply by limiting speech. I know playing FH is totally voluntary, but seems unfair to me the game kicks people because of the native language they were born with. Again, a wee bit off topic, but, if I entered a barrio (region where most/all people speak Spanish -- Spain has a lot of these) of my own free will, for let's say tourism, how would I respond if some the authorities said they had to kick me out because I couldn't speak Spanish? Now, that's totally from different if I were to be screaming obscene swears and being smartass with the authorities. I know, this comparison is totally different from our FH discussion, but just an example of the similar scenario.

Hope you understand what I'm saying. Now I have a question; why is any language allowed in Local but not in General? I understand that General can reach all parts of a map and Local is limited, but either way people can still hear and see what anyone is saying in both chats. Say I'm standing next to  Russian speaking people in Local. I don't understand anything they're saying, good or bad, so what's the difference if the whole map sees?
Title: Re: Language Rule
Post by: Redlinelies on November 06, 2011, 11:19:33 pm
Quote
for let's say tourism, how would I respond if some the authorities said they had to kick me out because I couldn't speak Spanish? Now, that's totally from different if I were to be screaming obscene swears and being smartass with the authorities. I know, this comparison is totally different from our FH discussion, but just an example of the similar scenario.
I really think I do understand what you mean by this, it's a good way to put it. We could probably make a similar one the other way around though.

(This might sound odd but arr..)Lets say you lost your bike on a semester in another country in which the most people do not speak your language and clearly doesn't understand it. Would it be a good idea to go to a smaller nailboard to put up a "missing" paper about your bike that covers up other lost kittens and what not, even though those reading probably wont understand what it means in the first place xD

It works to play around with this if you have to really.

The reason I'd say any language is allowed in local is because people should be able to speak in the game I'd say, restricting people from talking any other lang than english in local as well would be completely crazy. To be really honest I'm not the best one to ask either. But I think the reason why this was brought up in the first place was because people in this community pointed it out, of course I can be wrong. One thing I do admit must be a plus with everyone speak English on the general chat is that it's easier to see if someone would be swearing or using foul language since it's English only, and that the users in the chat easily can understand each other and communicate if you join the subjects there. The chats are as we know them, very limited and has 6 chat functions in one window. General chat has always been a problem to me :/.

I got a tendency of getting into these subjects any ways, it's a lil right now like I can't make up which Icecream flavour is the best when 2 people thinking differently asks about opinions. xD

I really see how it can be seen as unfair here, but also why it can be positive.
Title: Re: Language Rule
Post by: Khloe on November 07, 2011, 05:41:19 pm
English is pretty much a international language, it is used world wide so I think that is why it is english only. Also, general is the only thing required to have to be in english because I think it is so every player can interact with each other and not become confused. I think it keeps people from bad mouthing each other and other non game related issues. Isn't this a englished based game? If so, then if you come to play on this game you are expected to know english right? I'm new to FH so I am not up to date on everything so I apologize if I am wrong on anything.

Tbh though, I usually turn off general because people for some reason love to talk constantly on there about random stuff. Yesterday some people decided "IT WAS COOL TO SPEAK IN ALL CAPS!" I think all spam should be taken care of no matter what language. Keep it english so  players can commuicate with each other so they can get help. Even though most of the stuff is just random stuff that isn't relevant to anything really.

Perhaps in the future FH can have servers where it can be for people in different countries. Like UK, Germany and all those other countries so people can speak their own language. Though it might not ever happen or will take a long time because something like that would take a while to set up.
Title: Re: Language Rule
Post by: Shelby on December 16, 2011, 09:19:26 am
... I really dislike this.

I really dislike the results I'm seeing up there.

I feel as if this is a form of... what, discrimination? Segregation? It's like saying, "No African Americans are allowed to post in the General Chat."

I'm not saying anything against African Americans, I'm just saying that.. there are other people in this world and they might not speak English. It isn't right that they can't be allowed to talk in General. It's like saying, "Hey, you don't speak English. Either learn it or you aren't good enough to post here." It just goes against my moral code and I feel that if this is a rule that is passed... well, I'm going to lose a LOT of respect for the people that enforce it. It just isn't right.
Title: Re: Language Rule
Post by: Jitters on December 16, 2011, 09:47:59 am
Quote from: Shelby on December 16, 2011, 09:19:26 am
... I really dislike this.

I really dislike the results I'm seeing up there.

I feel as if this is a form of... what, discrimination? Segregation? It's like saying, "No African Americans are allowed to post in the General Chat."

I'm not saying anything against African Americans, I'm just saying that.. there are other people in this world and they might not speak English. It isn't right that they can't be allowed to talk in General. It's like saying, "Hey, you don't speak English. Either learn it or you aren't good enough to post here." It just goes against my moral code and I feel that if this is a rule that is passed... well, I'm going to lose a LOT of respect for the people that enforce it. It just isn't right.

This is a current rule. This old thread is about whether or not it is fair and if it should be revised.
English is currently the only language allowed in General chat, although other languages are allowed in local or private.

There are two arguments here ( and my view on them):

1. It should be English only, as the moderators speak English and to be properly able to moderate they need to understand what is being said. This is being said to everyone, and for all the mods know the person could be cussing someone out, or saying hello. While in some cases it would be obvious someone is saying something productive, like an advertisement for a roleplay in Spanish, but in some cases people could just be saying nonsense, or it could look like nonsense to a mod. FH is too small to have several mods that are multilingual, so it takes away some of the already feeble authority the mods have. By having it English only, it prevents awkward language related issues, and prevents misunderstandings

2. It should be allowed on general, everyone should have the right to speak their own language, even if the game is in English. This will allow the worldwide community to flourish, and will create a more comforting environment for those who do not speak English comfortably. In my personal opinion, allowing this way would actually ENCOURAGE racisim within the game. If someone started speaking in French in general I would imagine people would just tell them to get lost. I personally believe this is wrong, however we are dealing with a community that will Butt swing themselves all over you should you lay down for 3 minutes. Perhaps English only would protect the community from worse bullying. HOWEVER in a perfect game I'd like to see the English on rule lifted, but only when the mod team is strong enough to deal with the resulting racial slurs that will follow those speaking their native languages.
Title: Re: Language Rule
Post by: Kyugima on December 16, 2011, 11:41:45 am
  Agree with Sameth. Shelby, for the moment, this rule is needed. There is so much to handle, trying to handle the same issues in different languages would be hard. For now this is needed, and has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with racism as well. Are you going to say it's secregation that the workers in a bank in america or Australia or england can't deal with customers that don't speak their language? It isn't. This rule is needed for now, and personally I would like to see it go one day, but ONLY when the moderating team is able to handle it and there are moderators on taht can understand ALL languages. I mean, if the moderating team can't understand a word these people are saying, for all we know they could be swearing and actually spamming without knowing.
Title: Re: Language Rule
Post by: Windance on January 04, 2012, 06:45:37 am
I know this is old, but saw this and was somewhat disturbed by it.

This seems to be a highly discriminatory rule, seeing as there are players from all around the world, and languages vary. Other languages being said are as much spam as the English comments on there anyway. I've been on many mmos where the moderators speak a primary language, and everyone was allowed to speak their own language.
   If they needed a mod's help, it wasn't their fault if they didn't speak the same language,  not much you can do. If members didn't understand the other language, they could just mute the player and move on instead of griping. In fact, one server was mainly Mandarin Chinese, and English players weren't bashed out of talking in the main chats. If it was the same here, I'd bet all the English speakers would be up in arms if only Spanish speakers, or Polish speakers could use the general chat.
     It seems somewhat disturbing to me that people so readily found this acceptable on here. Even if this was produced in an English-speaking country, it was distributed on the internet, which is worldwide. I'm sure this makes it easier for the moderators (albeit I haven't seen any on the game in quite a long time), but that doesn't make it right.

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Are you going to say it's secregation that the workers in a bank in america or Australia or england can't deal with customers that don't speak their language?
    I understand the thought behind this, but I don't think it really doesn't hold ground with the situation at hand. When you're in a certain country, you are expected to know its language to a certain extent of course. You go up to someone in a store and start speaking Polish in California you're going to have a very confused employee. But this game is beyond just one country, it's far more diverse than that. Anything that dips its fingers in the international community has to accept that all language needs will have to be met, that's how the game goes. Those that don't play it are typically called discriminatory and lose the respect of the international community.

Edit: I find this especially contradictory when the forum is in 2 different languages. :/
Title: Re: Language Rule
Post by: Redlinelies on January 04, 2012, 07:33:26 am
This thread should be locked away because this rule will stay at current date, and is in fact needed. I will quote what I've written in this thread earlier to show the reason of "why" it is just as right to have this rule as others can see it's unfair.

Quote from: Red on August 21, 2011, 10:54:12 pm
I do honestly not know which side I stand on here.

But just a thinker for everyone out there no matter what.

If the users doesn't even understand the slight of the English language..

How do we know they read/understand any of the rules that exist for the game?

How do we know they actually follow the rules and terms given that everyone else must follow no matter what? Some mods and rules here are rather strict, and if they don't even understand when they're warned for an action they're doing it's 100% their cause if they end up getting kicked off the server.

It shouldn't matter if they don't understand them if everyone else that does must follow them. We can't just give them an exception, and even though I have a rather small vocabulary when it comes to other langs I catch people saying swears in other langs fairly often actually.

Maybe tolerance will be needed from some of the users in the game when it comes to other languages in the chats. Local is fine and all, but since this is general chat we're most likely talking about now I can see how both parties have a valid point.

Kicking and banning someone for speaking their language does sound wrong, but kicking and banning someone that doesn't follow the given rules doesn't. I personally think that stopping people from using the general chat in another language would be just as hard as stopping the trolling/pointless crap people write in english.

Rule for only english in general I'm not sure about if I'd like to see. But making it a situation where using the "not understand warnings" as an argument feels kinda dry to me since every user should follow the given rules even if we add a new one.