Feral Heart

Game & Forum Discussion => Game Discussion => Game Suggestions & Ideas => Topic started by: Melophobia on January 05, 2018, 07:22:58 am

Title: Sign my petition to change the registration system?
Post by: Melophobia on January 05, 2018, 07:22:58 am
https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/fhregistration (https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/fhregistration)

Yeah. :> Basically a request for a public schedule, and a donation option!
Title: Re: Sign my petition to change the registration system?
Post by: Panzram on January 05, 2018, 08:21:09 am
Since I have not been very active throughout the forums and in-game lately, I'm not entirely sure what has changed and what hasn't.

However, I do believe it still stands that Feralheart will not be taking any donations. Although it is very thoughtful of you and a few others who have suggested it in the past, it isn't something the Staff would consider taking for reasons only they could specify.

As for the public schedule:

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Why don't you post schedules when it opens?
Not only don't we know when it will be open as mentioned above, but it would really defeat the whole purpose of having random registration times to begin with. Sometimes when we do catch the registration open, staff might post about it on things like our tumblr page or even deviantart, but having a pre-made schedule is not something we can have.

Considering open registration comes at random intervals, I don't think a schedule would be of much help. It's very nice of you to start a petition regarding the matter and I'm sure the Staff would appreciate your concern for the game, but as it stands, there's not much that can be done about it.
Title: Re: Sign my petition to change the registration system?
Post by: Tigg on January 05, 2018, 11:07:25 am
Donations, ok. But what do players want for these donations?
Title: Re: Sign my petition to change the registration system?
Post by: Kuri on January 05, 2018, 06:22:02 pm
Donations, ok. But what do players want for these donations?
In theory, nothing, but the continued function of the game server would be nice.  That's why it's called a donation.
Title: Re: Sign my petition to change the registration system?
Post by: Kerriki on January 05, 2018, 07:54:02 pm
Moving this over to the game opinions and ideas board

And in all honesty... I agree with what you're saying about the registration

Unfortunately though we cannot make this change right now since our server master Raz is currently away. A poll/petition wouldn't be a determining factor in this either, since staff has heard about this for years (we're still very happy to see that you care this much!). The reason why the registration was closed off and randomized in the first place was because back in 2012 the server was hiccuping a lot and was having trouble coping with the heavy and constant flow of new users. About a year ago we changed the randomization a little bit by having it open one our out of every twelve, thus making it a little more predictable (instead of the old way, which was two hours randomly during the week)... and I agree that even with this small change it's still very difficult for new users to join

Don't worry though, as there's always potential for change, as long as staff feels it is the best move c: Don't give up hope!

Also, regarding the donations: we don't accept them, so no need to worry about that~
Title: Re: Sign my petition to change the registration system?
Post by: Tigg on January 05, 2018, 08:46:32 pm
Donations, ok. But what do players want for these donations?
In theory, nothing, but the continued function of the game server would be nice.  That's why it's called a donation.

That would be the best thing, but in all my years in the community and in a community of players, i have found that maaany people sooner or later start to complain that the changes, or stuff that is covered by the money, for the game "isnt what we want" and they expect other things from spending their money. (But tbh in this case its their problem when they donate to somthing that uses the money to keep the game running.)

The way FH is using the software and Ogre and music etc. pp. and the original creators rules/terms of use however forbid FH to get any money. Not even donations. It was and still is a topic that most likely comes up every now n then without a result. Back in the time as i administrated the game and forum we had these discussions a lot. And i really agree that donations can support the game.
However since that was not an option, staff had to look for another way and therefore the forum got ADs. So by clicking the ad´s you simply support the game x3 I dunno if anyone knows about this.
Title: Re: Sign my petition to change the registration system?
Post by: Melophobia on January 06, 2018, 09:00:36 pm

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Why don't you post schedules when it opens?
there's not much that can be done about it.[/color]
Also, regarding the donations: we don't accept them, so no need to worry about that~[/color]


woowwwww. Do yall not get the idea of adding?? Things?? Like, MAKING a donation an option???

I am fully aware how things are. Since 2015. Change is a completely viable option, stop shutting down voices and ideas.
Change is NOT impossible. Change is NEEDED.


Stop tryina kill the game, friends.

There is CERTAINLY a lot that can be done about it, if anyone would get their heads out of the ground and take a look at what the game has become.
I refuse to take "that's just how it is" as an answer.
Title: Re: Sign my petition to change the registration system?
Post by: Tigg on January 06, 2018, 10:18:32 pm

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Why don't you post schedules when it opens?
there's not much that can be done about it.[/color]
Also, regarding the donations: we don't accept them, so no need to worry about that~[/color]


woowwwww. Do yall not get the idea of adding?? Things?? Like, MAKING a donation an option???

I am fully aware how things are. Since 2015. Change is a completely viable option, stop shutting down voices and ideas.
Change is NOT impossible. Change is NEEDED.


Stop tryina kill the game, friends.

There is CERTAINLY a lot that can be done about it, if anyone would get their heads out of the ground and take a look at what the game has become.
I refuse to take "that's just how it is" as an answer.


Id like to know what stuff can be changed. Aside donations.
Title: Re: Sign my petition to change the registration system?
Post by: Melophobia on January 07, 2018, 02:26:12 am
what stuff can be changed

uh, have you even read the post?
A public registration schedule. Maybe like, open 1 day a week but hey! At least we know.
Title: Re: Sign my petition to change the registration system?
Post by: WolfQueen on January 07, 2018, 08:33:13 am
Donations are not allowed because the original developer KovuLKD didn't want his game to be funded by it.
Title: Re: Sign my petition to change the registration system?
Post by: Tigg on January 07, 2018, 03:32:56 pm
what stuff can be changed

uh, have you even read the post?
A public registration schedule. Maybe like, open 1 day a week but hey! At least we know.

I have but i was expecting more than that since you ranted so loud.
Well if it it just that, yes i agree with you. That is a thing that can be changed and probably would bring in more players.
I believe many potential players just leave the idea to play FH since they dont have the chance to register due to the unforeseen time it opens.
Title: Re: Sign my petition to change the registration system?
Post by: Melophobia on January 08, 2018, 01:17:30 am
Donations are not allowed because the original developer KovuLKD didn't want his game to be funded by it.

Like it or not, the developer is gone, he left the game to die without the source code. The game is not going to be funded, the servers can be. The servers are seperate from the game. The donations, in theory, would not be to create new assets, or edit the code. Just support the servers.
Title: Re: Sign my petition to change the registration system?
Post by: WolfQueen on January 11, 2018, 03:02:14 am
Donations are not allowed because the original developer KovuLKD didn't want his game to be funded by it.

Like it or not, the developer is gone, he left the game to die without the source code. The game is not going to be funded, the servers can be. The servers are seperate from the game. The donations, in theory, would not be to create new assets, or edit the code. Just support the servers.
It's still his game and we have to respect that. He's credited for a reason.
Title: Re: Sign my petition to change the registration system?
Post by: Ellen11v on January 11, 2018, 01:16:40 pm
Donations are not allowed because the original developer KovuLKD didn't want his game to be funded by it.

Like it or not, the developer is gone, he left the game to die without the source code. The game is not going to be funded, the servers can be. The servers are seperate from the game. The donations, in theory, would not be to create new assets, or edit the code. Just support the servers.
I know you may be in a bad mood now, but you should be more respectful and grateful for KovuLKD. He gave Razmirz access to continue hosting the server. And this is important too, Razmirz is still working hard to keep the server up and the game playable. He's not giving up on FH and leaving like he easily can if he wanted to. It's pure loyalty. Thank you.
Btw, I'm sorry if I sound hard and condescending, it had to be said.
Title: Re: Sign my petition to change the registration system?
Post by: Melophobia on January 15, 2018, 01:22:44 am
Donations are not allowed because the original developer KovuLKD didn't want his game to be funded by it.

Like it or not, the developer is gone, he left the game to die without the source code. The game is not going to be funded, the servers can be. The servers are seperate from the game. The donations, in theory, would not be to create new assets, or edit the code. Just support the servers.
I know you may be in a bad mood now, but you should be more respectful and grateful for KovuLKD. He gave Razmirz access to continue hosting the server. And this is important too, Razmirz is still working hard to keep the server up and the game playable. He's not giving up on FH and leaving like he easily can if he wanted to. It's pure loyalty. Thank you.
Btw, I'm sorry if I sound hard and condescending, it had to be said.

Why do every single one of you love to miss the point? Let me restate:
The game is not going to be funded, the servers can be. The servers are separate from the game. The donations, in theory, would not be to create new assets, or edit the code. Just support the servers. (And to hep out our beloved Razmirz)
Title: Re: Sign my petition to change the registration system?
Post by: Bloo. on January 15, 2018, 01:36:43 am
Donations are not allowed because the original developer KovuLKD didn't want his game to be funded by it.

Like it or not, the developer is gone, he left the game to die without the source code. The game is not going to be funded, the servers can be. The servers are seperate from the game. The donations, in theory, would not be to create new assets, or edit the code. Just support the servers.
I know you may be in a bad mood now, but you should be more respectful and grateful for KovuLKD. He gave Razmirz access to continue hosting the server. And this is important too, Razmirz is still working hard to keep the server up and the game playable. He's not giving up on FH and leaving like he easily can if he wanted to. It's pure loyalty. Thank you.
Btw, I'm sorry if I sound hard and condescending, it had to be said.

Why do every single one of you love to miss the point? Let me restate:
The game is not going to be funded, the servers can be. The servers are separate from the game. The donations, in theory, would not be to create new assets, or edit the code. Just support the servers. (And to hep out our beloved Razmirz)

Honey, the servers are the game. Without a server, the game could not exist. In theory and in a physical form, yes. But there would be no players, no staff, no forum, no community. Ads on the site do help to keep the servers up and running and it's absolutely amazing how much you want to help! That's the kind of support from the community the game needs~

But donations wouldn't honestly be used. They couldn't possibly. I do love the idea of having a registration schedule, as member population has dropped significantly and we could use the increase, and perhaps someday that may be available!
Title: Re: Sign my petition to change the registration system?
Post by: Vilivikhorith on January 15, 2018, 08:35:14 pm
Donations are not allowed because the original developer KovuLKD didn't want his game to be funded by it.

This makes me curious; how do you know that? The game and none of its assets come with any kind of license document, so I find it difficult to be certain what any one of the author's wishes really are (excluding dynamic linked libraries here). My guess why donations are not taken is because of that very problem (lack of license), so staff assume that all rights are reserved (a safe bet), OR irrKlang's ambiguous non-commercial license persuades them to play it safe.

Why do every single one of you love to miss the point? Let me restate:
The game is not going to be funded, the servers can be. The servers are separate from the game. The donations, in theory, would not be to create new assets, or edit the code. Just support the servers. (And to hep out our beloved Razmirz)

It is maybe counter-intuitive to think that donations can violate a non-commercial license (assuming here FeralHeart is under some variant of that, see question above). It can be seen as a form of indirect financial gain, unfortunately, since the donation button would likely be placed somewhere on this website, a website for FeralHeart.

Disclaimer; I'm not a lawyer, but that's the general gist I get of the situation and why you probably won't be seeing a donation button here any time soon.
Title: Re: Sign my petition to change the registration system?
Post by: WolfQueen on January 20, 2018, 10:36:52 pm
This makes me curious; how do you know that? The game and none of its assets come with any kind of license document, so I find it difficult to be certain what any one of the author's wishes really are (excluding dynamic linked libraries here). My guess why donations are not taken is because of that very problem (lack of license), so staff assume that all rights are reserved (a safe bet), OR irrKlang's ambiguous non-commercial license persuades them to play it safe.
Word of mouth. Tigg herself said that Kovu doesn't want his game to be funded. She's been here since the start and actually worked with him on both IT and this game.
The way FH is using the software and Ogre and music etc. pp. and the original creators rules/terms of use however forbid FH to get any money. Not even donations. It was and still is a topic that most likely comes up every now n then without a result. Back in the time as i administrated the game and forum we had these discussions a lot. And i really agree that donations can support the game.
However since that was not an option, staff had to look for another way and therefore the forum got ADs. So by clicking the ad´s you simply support the game x3 I dunno if anyone knows about this.

It sounds like the developer couldn't make money from FH because the software he used to create this game didn't allow it. Wanting to create free content for his audience may have also been a factor.