This is like a giant punch in the face.
I see no point in staying or really running around in-game anymore. I enjoyed talking to people in General, and I don't know where I'd be without it. Sure there were rude and immature kids and people in General, but there were other ways of dealing with them. Banning them, kicking them, or adding an age limit. I don't know, but there were other routes you could've taken, so I think this is a bad move. I might as well just leave, and if FH gets better [Which I'm starting to doubt] I might return.
If this is permanent [Which I hope it isn't] I'll probably just leave until FH changes, because I've been patience to see major issues fixed and instead, I feel as though everything's falling apart.
In terms of the RP thing, I just want to point something out as a FH member, not a staff member.
Today a RP group I am in - a literate, mapped, realistic group that people seem to keep saying will never work right again because of no general chat - went out to recruit today, and we got more members that met our standards than we ever did.
Why? Because it forces people to socialize and ask questions. Maybe our RP might not seem too appeasing when you type it in general chat, but if you walk past the group and as what it's about, people take interest in things they would've passed off before. It forces people to get out and notice things they might not have before.
I understand everyone has their opinions, and in regards to some of the advertising issues, this is what I've experienced on day one. I really do encourage people to try and keep an open mind about this.
In terms of the RP thing, I just want to point something out as a FH member, not a staff member.
Today a RP group I am in - a literate, mapped, realistic group that people seem to keep saying will never work right again because of no general chat - went out to recruit today, and we got more members that met our standards than we ever did.
Why? Because it forces people to socialize and ask questions. Maybe our RP might not seem too appeasing when you type it in general chat, but if you walk past the group and as what it's about, people take interest in things they would've passed off before. It forces people to get out and notice things they might not have before.
I understand everyone has their opinions, and in regards to some of the advertising issues, this is what I've experienced on day one. I really do encourage people to try and keep an open mind about this.
Well this was a suggestion and a number of people backed the idea.
You have no idea how absolutely disappointed I am in this update.
For a very long while now, I have been waiting and hoping for an update from Feralheart. Since the last update was in December of 2011, I was expecting some huge spectacular update, like perhaps hunting prey, or more public maps! More markings, more manes, or maybe even a new body model!
Instead of a great update, I was greeted with... silence! I was so confused in general when absolutely no one was talking. I thought something was wrong with the game, like a mod had gotten mad at everyone and whatever had happened had gotten them so angered that no one spoke. Earlier today, I simply thought that general was incredibly oddly dead. It gave me an eerie feeling like we'd all done something wrong. I sat and waited around in general for a good ten minutes waiting for someone to speak. I don't see movie messages, so I had absolutely no clue this was going on... I didn't even know there was apparently movie spam happening until I decided to visit the forums to see if anyone was experiencing this "Dead general glitch", and I found this topic. Upon reading it, I absolutely and entirely disagree with this change. I don't like it at all. I use general for so many things! I look for roleplays on a daily basis there. I both ask for roleplays (I never advertised because I never make roleplays myself) and I join roleplays. I have met multiple people who became great friends with me in general! Because of this "update", roleplays are going to die quicker than ever. People are unhappy with the game.
I also like to use General for just, like the name states, general things! Not just for roleplay, but for entertainment as well. Making friends, talking to people, reading about their favorite whatevers and occasionally hearing a rant or two. I never minded any of that! That's the way general has always been. I find that people are always, for the most part, happy in general. Conversations are very silly and they bring a smile to my face when I'm in a bit of a foul mood. They do get a little out of hand, yes, but there are warnings everywhere about these things. Isn't this game for 13+? If someone can't handle a little bit of adult humor, they either shouldn't be on this game or should just learn to deal with it. I have never once seen someone that had an actual problem with a conversation in general. I'm sure there's been a little bit of a tussle over a conversation, but I've never seen someone actually hate it. I've never even seen someone say that they actually, legitimately hated general and wanted it gone.
I say that the general be chat used as it would normally be intended for. General use! General doesn't mean anything specific, I believe. It can be for talking about food, complaining, just chatting, roleplaying, friend making... anything! You're taking away an important part of the game.
Sorry if I'm getting a bit repetitive, but I'm just typing what I think.
And, back on the topic of roleplaying... I know that there is a section for advertisements in the forums here. Some of you may say that we can simply use that, but it is most extremely easier said than done! For one, a lot of users don't even go to the forums. I, myself, don't usually go to the forums. I go to them to browse through maps and that is simply it. I also check out the website when I think something is up, like why no one was speaking in general. To use the forum ads, you would have to PM the leader of the group. PM them back and forth a couple times, perhaps having a little conversation for a moment or confirming a specific thing for their character, sending a roleplay sample to see if you're cut for the job... however then you have to set up a time to meet them. They may or may not come online for any sudden reason. They might have spelt their username wrong, so you couldn't whisper them easily in-game, they might not be where they said they would be, or anything ridiculous like that. With general, the person who says the ad is usually online after they say it. You can click on their name and can whisper them knowing without a doubt that it is them, and you can speak with them instantly without having to wait for one to log on like you would have to on the forums. In-game, you can join a roleplay within 10 minutes easily. Using the forums could take days. General makes for very fast and easy joining of groups.
Why was there not a poll for this kind of decision? Why was there not a better alternative?QuoteWell this was a suggestion and a number of people backed the idea.
Is this really true or is this just the opinion of a select group of people you always ask questions to? I haven't seen a suggestion like this anywhere ingame or on the forums.
I suggest that there be a poll. Let the players choose. This can't be something hidden away on the forums that goes almost entirely unannounced. This should be a poll for all to see, right smack dab on the top of the forums. Heck, on every page! Let there be a vote to keep general or to get rid of it. Ingame, there could be an hourly, red-lettered ad in every chat ingame about voting for the poll, so absolutely everyone knows about it. The hourly poll ad would say info about where to vote about the player's opinion. If people vote to keep general, general stays. If the majority vote is that general be removed permanently, so be it.
There could be a different solution to this, however, also. Anyone wishing to just advertise their roleplay would use a new advertising chat. General could be used for, as stated before, any general thing. The advertising chat could be used for the obvious. If someone is screwing around in the ad chat and it aggravates people enough, perhaps they could be flagged in a way. I don't believe there is any way to report people ingame as of now.
I find that there are better solutions to the problem of trolls in the general chat. You're going too far by entirely getting rid of the chat. There were no warnings prior to this whatsoever. If someone is really, truly being annoying, they either need to get kicked or banned. It's as simple as that. A fraction of people shouldn't have to effect the entire group.
Again, sorry if it sounds like I'm being repetitive. I'm voicing my mind on this, and simply trying to state my ideas for making the problem a lesser one. End of post.
In terms of the RP thing, I just want to point something out as a FH member, not a staff member.You actually made a very good point, Crin. THANK YOU for not peeing on the members because their opinions are not agreeing with yours. (
Today a RP group I am in - a literate, mapped, realistic group that people seem to keep saying will never work right again because of no general chat - went out to recruit today, and we got more members that met our standards than we ever did.
Why? Because it forces people to socialize and ask questions. Maybe our RP might not seem too appeasing when you type it in general chat, but if you walk past the group and as what it's about, people take interest in things they would've passed off before. It forces people to get out and notice things they might not have before.
I understand everyone has their opinions, and in regards to some of the advertising issues, this is what I've experienced on day one. I really do encourage people to try and keep an open mind about this.
I am actually rather annoyed with this.
Not ALL of us want to watch MOVIES of advertising. No one sane or a veteran of this game ever uses such an absolute silly way of advertisement. I am sorry that the mods are tired of doing their jobs in, yanno, modding and everything, but spamming will happen, whether in general OR in local chat. Your attempts to stop trolling and spamming won't help for beans, to be honest.
I am frustrated because this is what keeps the game alive. You cannot just TAKE AWAY the one thing that helps a game blossom. Instead, you limit the way a person advertises packs or prides to punish others who actually use it. It's how others make friends and find new places to be.
This is unfair, and if you want to crack down on spammers, at LEAST make a button called "Advertising", so at least you know advertisements go there, and if anyone spams it, they are warned, and if it continues, banned.
Give the rest of us a break here.
This will most likely ruin the game for a lot of people, because now they have to go into a CROWDED PLACE, which causes LAGGING to find a pack or pride to be part of. We can't ALL fit into the portal area, or the bridge, or even the cave. That is unrealistic and problem-causing to say the LEAST.
Please reconsider this rather rushed attempt and make a poll to be fair. This is a game we ALL contribute to, and if there is hardly anyone left, what is there to even be proud of in the game? Dwindling members just because you FELT like taking out General?
I vote a poll, and base your choice on that instead of abruptly making this decision with no say-so from, yanno, the people who RP and want to keep RPing going. :I
-dances on generals grave- xD^ I lol'd at that XD.
Normally, I'd stay away from commenting on the forums. Out of the TWO YEARS [or more] of being with this game, see how many times I've posted. Even if this account isn't the two old, my original one is.Your comment is filled with so much (http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee471/Romalia8/YouTube/Tobuscus/win.gif) (http://media.photobucket.com/user/Romalia8/media/YouTube/Tobuscus/win.gif.html). It's a little harsh at a few parts, but hey, you are keeping your opinion strong and healthy. But, I am still keeping my opinion, since I do not want to jump the "safe"wagon.
Anyway---
For all who oppose this idea, like those stated above me, you really need to look at both sides to your complaints/dislikes.
Most of the people that dislike the idea have posted about two key features, at least in all of the one's I've skimmed. The facts they "can't advertise as well" and "can't socialize like they used to on the chat". You're missing the fact this leaves you with many new ups.
Like Crin posted, which she posted about MY role play, Abandoned Paradise, I would go out, for 4-5 hours ON END and just post advertisements. It annoyed me, because I would post some detailed stuff and get about 3 people. Today, we sat out for an hour, and people came up to us and asked about the role play. I was able to give a bigger description to them, because I didn't have to worry about my post being cut off by the constant chatter, and that they took interest in my role play first than just reading another ad. They got to see us, and hear about my group. We ended up with, what, 4-6 new members in that hour alone. Probably had about 8 or so interested in that short time.
What's more is, movies. Seriously, yeah it's a way to advertise, but it's not the ONLY way. I know a few have stated this above, I just want to touch base. People, in general when they advertised would be at one of three general locations: N/Z, Stone Bridge, and Cape [for mapped]. Rarely you would get one at the plus, but it's died down since then. However, those are the KEY areas. If you want a role play, chances are you would want to GO to that spot. Now it encourages members to as well! Now they get to see you instead of getting a random whisper where you had NO idea if they were the type of group you would vision, or met your standards. They get to ask more questions, which may be seen to other people further [but in range] back, and have them click and go: Huh, I like that. I'd like to join. Instead of hearing a same type of description in general.
Now, on the base of the socialization. Wouldn't you like to actually see the person you're talking to? I'd like to see some of the people I chat with on general. You know, see their characters and get to actually snuggle their pixelated body? While it was nice to have some random chatter, I would usually see nothing but pointless spam to cause the poor advertisers' ads to be swept away. Some times it would get so bad, advertisers were afraid to advertise! Some of the topics were pretty inappropriate too, at times. Some even made others upset and offended. Some of which, I remember, have even made me to the point of tears. Yeah, TEARS! I've seen some terrible things posted on there, and I know it's not common it happens, but it has happened quite a few times in the past year. "Turn general chat off then"- Well why should I have to turn off a chat when you're tampering with it; may it be from flooding it or talking about a bad subject? While you're entitled to opinions, some of these things should be kept for more private chats. It could very well upset others, as seen in mass arguments in general.
All and all, I don't mind the fact general is gone, as long as we have it in private maps, which I use it to torment my poor members and make announcements. The public map use of it can be very well adjusted to.
Yet, even I know people won't stop complaining, or even feel any different after reading this. I'd just like you to see some of the alternatives, rather than making a swift pass at going: OMG IT'S GONE! WE'RE GON' DIE NAO! K?! -Poofs-
That's just my two cents,
Owlus.
It should be rather clear to everyone, that this is no update.You have no idea how absolutely disappointed I am in this update.
For a very long while now, I have been waiting and hoping for an update from Feralheart. Since the last update was in December of 2011, I was expecting some huge spectacular update, like perhaps hunting prey, or more public maps! More markings, more manes, or maybe even a new body model!
O.O.... Will you ever give it back...?It is still being decided if General is going to be gone forever or not, don't worry. c:
I don't want to seem rude, however some people showed >great< lack of respect, towards many members and staff, bringing up unnecessary excuses about it and ranting out at certain people or staff because of such changes brought into the game.Not to offend you in ANY WAY, but noone is trying to be disrespectful to members and staff, or make exuses.(http://i1097.photobucket.com/albums/g344/Wolfandcat456/TobuscusWTF_zps29b07de8.png) (http://s1097.photobucket.com/user/Wolfandcat456/media/TobuscusWTF_zps29b07de8.png.html)They are taking their opinions very honestly. Hey, I am also a silent and watchful type. Trust me, I never put out my feelings unless it's something that people should understand, like this topic. I don't express myself because people, like right now, are taking offense to it. But I suck it up because people can be offensive to your opinion, and ignore them, not to start World War III. Not offending you or making this about you, I'm telling you that people will hate things that others do, and others will like it. It's human nature. And that goes for all of you, some people will hate something that you may like. Like, I'm a Tobuscus fan. Some people hate him and try to tell me he stanks. But I ignore it because people have opinions.
People should use their common sense, and appreciate the work many members and staff put into this game.
I should probably say right up front... all opinions about this are, inevitably, from a standpoint of my own self-interest. Because I am not the insubstantial embodiment of the FeralHeart player collective, and if I was I would probably be unable to type.Great post Tear, you are really getting your opinion out. Noone should be offended or anything, we are not out to hurt your fellings.
As much as this may change the dynamic of FeralHeart, I have to say I feel it's going to be for the better. I basically stopped going online for a month or two, just because when I did all I saw was arguments, spam, HUGELY inappropriate jokes, and "say i if u know TOBUSCUS" sprinkled with occasional ads for Warriors RPs (not that I have any specific thing against them, but I'm not really into Warriors and it's not worth sifting through the rest of General for). I'm pretty sure General must have been different in the past, because I used to spend quite a bit of time online, but it was getting to the point where it just wasn't worth it. And I know it's popular to say that the mods just don't do their jobs, but they do. They really do. The problem is that there's so darn much of this crap that nothing short of an android built for the purpose could possibly monitor it all 24/7. As far as I know, none of the staff are androids. And they totally didn't force me to say that so I'd be spared when the robots enslave humanity.
I know a lot of people just get online to chat with friends, but... FH is also meant to be a sort of virtual world, and it seems that being able to just shout out to the heavens from anywhere on the map and be heard takes away from that. It takes less than a minute to get from one end of Fluorite to the other now that we have the dash function; your friends aren't THAT far away. And even if they are, the whisper, party chat, and group functions still work just fine. The world doesn't necessarily need to see everyone's conversations about pizza and universal sufferage, which is actually one major problem I had with general... not every discussion has to be public for all to see, but denizens of Fluorite tend to act like they do. I understand the desire to make yourself and your opinions heard, but that's not what General was really supposed to be a platform for.
Now, there's the issue of RP recruiting. I'm sure this isn't the case for a lot of users, but I haven't found a good, lasting RP through general ads in over a year. Nor have I found any recruits for my own RP that stayed longer than a week, even at our most active. Any RPs or new members I have found have all been through friendship. Such-and-such long-time member knows someone, they join, and they stick around, which leads to a more close-knit and cohesive RP because everyone really wants to be there and won't vanish into the aether a week later. If I find an RP that way, there's a higher chance that I'll stay and be a part of it because I already have a friend or two in it. Chances are we already know our RP styles are compatible. And then we meet new people in those groups, and the cycle continues. So no, I don't think a lack of General-ness will inhibit the ability to meet new people and make new friends, we just have to put some actual effort into it now. And putting effort into something is almost never a bad thing.
But a couple people told me if you post in General you can get banned...I'm not sure if that's true or not. (Everyone seems so engrossed in this situation, I don't understand how you all are saying so much about it...not to be mean or anything).You will not get banned when you speak in General, it will come out as local. And also....
I'm going to apologize in advance cause I know I'm going to sound rude.VonStabby, you can fix this movie clip issue by restarting FH and not changing the width of your chatbox. You can make it taller, of course, but this will make sure the movies play.
I'm not sad about this, I'm not happy with this, I'm not ok with this, I'm highly angered by this. You made a dumb decision. I'm not happy that this was an update FH was much better off before this. Its already very hard to find members for an rp and you don't realize how much harder its going to be. And advertising with movies? Well I'll let this picture answer that question:
(http://warriorcatsrpg.com/profile_pictures/131669_1371632170.png?1371632174)
Behave In The Chats
The chats are a big part of FeralHeart and it's a place everyone shares TOGETHER. Any sort of spamming(chat spam, movie spam, caps spam, mod spam) is discouraged and might result in warnings/kicks and even bans if it's excessive or done repeatedly. Constant "Trolling" and encouraging others to break the rules is just as punishable as well. When it comes to "General Chat" in Feralheart you must show respect to all the other users that might be inside the very same map since it shows for everyone. English only is encouraged since we want as many as possible to understand each other, and Roleplaying in general in a public map is discouraged due to the simple fact that it's the chat everyone shares but also because the existence of Local, party, group and even whisper that could work for the same purpose. If you cause havoc or unnecessary drama within the chats, you might get warned/kicked or even banned for repetitive abuse.
Why are we here?
The main principle is still the same; we are here to have fun, make friends and have a taste of the good life outside reality! You could see FeralHeart as a big 3D-chat, roleplaygame or just adventure.
But... I have a solution to this. Why don't we make a poll? Give it about a month, and the side with the most votes wins. Then we can see whether to keep General... or throw it out the window. o3o -le goes back to hiding corner-
I'm going to apologize in advance cause I know I'm going to sound rude.VonStabby, you can fix this movie clip issue by restarting FH and not changing the width of your chatbox. You can make it taller, of course, but this will make sure the movies play.
I'm not sad about this, I'm not happy with this, I'm not ok with this, I'm highly angered by this. You made a dumb decision. I'm not happy that this was an update FH was much better off before this. Its already very hard to find members for an rp and you don't realize how much harder its going to be. And advertising with movies? Well I'll let this picture answer that question:
(http://warriorcatsrpg.com/profile_pictures/131669_1371632170.png?1371632174)
And as for the rest of your post, I understand a change like this can be a little bit jarring, but General hasn't been gone for even a week, yet. As Raz said, give this a chance before you automatically assume it's a terrible idea and protest it all.
This puts a stopper on a lot of trolling, and of course you can use party chats and other means of advertising your roleplay. Get creative! It's not the end of the world, and do remember we're just testing the waters with this update. So relax, and it'll be okay. c: After some time (weeks or months of time) of this change, you still have some concerns over it, you can give your constructive feedback to the staff via PM.
Another point to be made, about the whole "you'll be able to socialize more" thing. You can't simply force people to socialize. There are those people, like myself, who are afraid of saying anything to some random stranger. It's a pretty tough thing to adapt to, let alone be forced into without any warning. I would know, too. I'm sure a lot of people would feel the same way.I mentioned before that people are shy and generally don't like to talk to random people they just came to pass by, you never know how they will react, with me it wa generally a ratio of good to bad stranger reactions about 2:7.
It's not just about general being gone, it's just another sign of the staff not caring at all and trying to find ways around their jobs so they don't have to get off their asses and actually take action in game. Welp, can't wait for Aro'Kai to come out.
Oh this brings me to another question staff. I made a topic suggestion before about adding new maps. My response was "We can't without Kovu."
(My topic: http://www.feral-heart.com/index.php?option=com_jfusion&Itemid=2&jfile=index.php&topic=33652.0&topicseen (http://www.feral-heart.com/index.php?option=com_jfusion&Itemid=2&jfile=index.php&topic=33652.0&topicseen))
Why can you make such a drastic change like this without him but adding new content and maps isn't ok? Everyone best hold onto your bosoms and kiss your anus goodbye. The ship is sinking and will continue to do so until more things are changed.
QuoteOh this brings me to another question staff. I made a topic suggestion before about adding new maps. My response was "We can't without Kovu."
(My topic: http://www.feral-heart.com/index.php?option=com_jfusion&Itemid=2&jfile=index.php&topic=33652.0&topicseen (http://www.feral-heart.com/index.php?option=com_jfusion&Itemid=2&jfile=index.php&topic=33652.0&topicseen))
Why can you make such a drastic change like this without him but adding new content and maps isn't ok? Everyone best hold onto your bosoms and kiss your anus goodbye. The ship is sinking and will continue to do so until more things are changed.
I dunno how many times mods have mentioned that they don't have the source code, thus can not add new maps or anything. As for this drastic change however, I've mentioned in another post of mine that I was more or less enraged by it, but I do believe that this was done through the server. But, they really can't without Kov, because Kov has the source code which he won't give. Why he won't give it? I dunno, but he probably has intentions on future updates because he hasn't given it out. Even if he has 'abandoned' us, if he isn't a jerk, then he'd give us the source code if he's really leaving. Otherwise, I more or less one-hundred percent agree with you when it comes to the terms of this decision being 'stupid'. Which it is, quite honestly; the so-called advantages are greatly outnumbered by the disadvantages.
I'm not talking about major updates that require source code. I mean maps, items, etc. FH+ and other people mod the game client all the time. Why can't staff do it, make it official and have a patch for it? Sure it wont be alot, but perhaps it'd be a "Oh hey new content, awesome." They can't do much without Kovu, bu tthey can do somethings without him
I can see why some people may have felt the need to get rid of General: trolls, spammers, inappropriate conversations and the like certainly were a bit of a problem. But you know what? That's why the mods are there. To keep unruly players in check with that all-commanding red text and sparingly given words of warning when the occasion required it. I can't help but wonder if this was partly a way to avoid hard work, pretty much the only in-game work that was ever necessary. Also, reporting was definitely an option if no mods stepped in, which I've gladly done on more occasions than I can count. The trolls, spammers, and inappropriate conversations haven't gone away, not at all. Only now they're in less public chats where they can't always be seen by the right people and shut down. To me, that seems like creating a problem rather than solving it.
In terms of advertising: it's just...it can't be done properly. General gave RP leaders a place to state some info about their group, and invite in anyone who chose to read the chat. But with Local ads and movies, advertising has become a primitive and somewhat clumsy activity, a rather painful one to watch and even worse to try and participate in. About a week ago I created a group, whipped up a nice little map and got everything set up. I was so excited to go and grab some members and make some new friends, when suddenly this happened. The character I use to lead the group is one of my current favourites so I often go on him anyway, but it just ends up saddening me when every now and then I think "Oh, I should advertise for some members!- oh wait...I can't. Goodbye group".
The kind of long, descriptive ads that once graced General seem useless and out of place in Local. You spend all that time typing out a concise, informative ad and then it only gets seen by seven people. Movies are worse by far however, with their extremely limited text space and tendency not to work for so many players.
Life on FH now: whenever I log on, I feel like I've entered a ghost town or some quarantined city with no means of communication to the outside world. There's this giant, oppressive emptiness that just takes all the life from the game. Yeah, so it forces people to go and look for each other, but why was that necessary? What was wrong with sitting comfortably in a nice spot and participating in a good old bit of General chat? I, like many others on here, was one of those people who didn't enjoy the crowded spots where all you could see was nametag after nametag. I loved nothing better than finding a quiet spot to watch the sky or spectate a random RP while I had a good time on General. Now that's gone, because apparently there was something wrong with staying in one spot that you enjoyed.
And most importantly, about the execution of this change: I didn't hear a peep about this until I wandered confusedly into the forum, and found this topic after an eerily quiet day in Fluorite. There was no little notice on the login screen, no "monthly update" forum topic as it has been mentioned by other people here, no warning whatsoever. I wouldn't be half as frustrated as I am if you had told us what was happening before it happened. Heck, would it be so hard to put up a poll and ask us our opinions before you go wrenching out such an important part of the game? Lots of people have said it before, and I'm going to back them up. This game has really lost its sense of community in the recent past, and this didn't help that one bit. You say that other people's opinions were asked, but who? Were they players who loved General and used it every day, or were they mods who looked at the green chat and saw nothing but a mild inconvenience to be swept under the carpet? I really don't understand what possible reason you could have come up with to justify ripping away one of the best parts of the game. Now advertising is awkward as hell to say the least, and I feel completely alienated from everyone in-game as no doubt others do too.
I suggest that either General should be brought back immediately, or a poll should be placed somewhere very obvious on the forum for every player to give their view and the situation be taken from there.
You have no idea how absolutely disappointed I am in this update.
For a very long while now, I have been waiting and hoping for an update from Feralheart. Since the last update was in December of 2011, I was expecting some huge spectacular update, like perhaps hunting prey, or more public maps! More markings, more manes, or maybe even a new body model!
Instead of a great update, I was greeted with... silence! I was so confused in general when absolutely no one was talking. I thought something was wrong with the game, like a mod had gotten mad at everyone and whatever had happened had gotten them so angered that no one spoke. Earlier today, I simply thought that general was incredibly oddly dead. It gave me an eerie feeling like we'd all done something wrong. I sat and waited around in general for a good ten minutes waiting for someone to speak. I don't see movie messages, so I had absolutely no clue this was going on... I didn't even know there was apparently movie spam happening until I decided to visit the forums to see if anyone was experiencing this "Dead general glitch", and I found this topic. Upon reading it, I absolutely and entirely disagree with this change. I don't like it at all. I use general for so many things! I look for roleplays on a daily basis there. I both ask for roleplays (I never advertised because I never make roleplays myself) and I join roleplays. I have met multiple people who became great friends with me in general! Because of this "update", roleplays are going to die quicker than ever. People are unhappy with the game.
I also like to use General for just, like the name states, general things! Not just for roleplay, but for entertainment as well. Making friends, talking to people, reading about their favorite whatevers and occasionally hearing a rant or two. I never minded any of that! That's the way general has always been. I find that people are always, for the most part, happy in general. Conversations are very silly and they bring a smile to my face when I'm in a bit of a foul mood. They do get a little out of hand, yes, but there are warnings everywhere about these things. Isn't this game for 13+? If someone can't handle a little bit of adult humor, they either shouldn't be on this game or should just learn to deal with it. I have never once seen someone that had an actual problem with a conversation in general. I'm sure there's been a little bit of a tussle over a conversation, but I've never seen someone actually hate it. I've never even seen someone say that they actually, legitimately hated general and wanted it gone.
I say that the general be chat used as it would normally be intended for. General use! General doesn't mean anything specific, I believe. It can be for talking about food, complaining, just chatting, roleplaying, friend making... anything! You're taking away an important part of the game.
Sorry if I'm getting a bit repetitive, but I'm just typing what I think.
And, back on the topic of roleplaying... I know that there is a section for advertisements in the forums here. Some of you may say that we can simply use that, but it is most extremely easier said than done! For one, a lot of users don't even go to the forums. I, myself, don't usually go to the forums. I go to them to browse through maps and that is simply it. I also check out the website when I think something is up, like why no one was speaking in general. To use the forum ads, you would have to PM the leader of the group. PM them back and forth a couple times, perhaps having a little conversation for a moment or confirming a specific thing for their character, sending a roleplay sample to see if you're cut for the job... however then you have to set up a time to meet them. They may or may not come online for any sudden reason. They might have spelt their username wrong, so you couldn't whisper them easily in-game, they might not be where they said they would be, or anything ridiculous like that. With general, the person who says the ad is usually online after they say it. You can click on their name and can whisper them knowing without a doubt that it is them, and you can speak with them instantly without having to wait for one to log on like you would have to on the forums. In-game, you can join a roleplay within 10 minutes easily. Using the forums could take days. General makes for very fast and easy joining of groups.
Why was there not a poll for this kind of decision? Why was there not a better alternative?QuoteWell this was a suggestion and a number of people backed the idea.
Is this really true or is this just the opinion of a select group of people you always ask questions to? I haven't seen a suggestion like this anywhere ingame or on the forums.
I suggest that there be a poll. Let the players choose. This can't be something hidden away on the forums that goes almost entirely unannounced. This should be a poll for all to see, right smack dab on the top of the forums. Heck, on every page! Let there be a vote to keep general or to get rid of it. Ingame, there could be an hourly, red-lettered ad in every chat ingame about voting for the poll, so absolutely everyone knows about it. The hourly poll ad would say info about where to vote about the player's opinion. If people vote to keep general, general stays. If the majority vote is that general be removed permanently, so be it.
There could be a different solution to this, however, also. Anyone wishing to just advertise their roleplay would use a new advertising chat. General could be used for, as stated before, any general thing. The advertising chat could be used for the obvious. If someone is screwing around in the ad chat and it aggravates people enough, perhaps they could be flagged in a way. I don't believe there is any way to report people ingame as of now.
I find that there are better solutions to the problem of trolls in the general chat. You're going too far by entirely getting rid of the chat. There were no warnings prior to this whatsoever. If someone is really, truly being annoying, they either need to get kicked or banned. It's as simple as that. A fraction of people shouldn't have to effect the entire group.
Again, sorry if it sounds like I'm being repetitive. I'm voicing my mind on this, and simply trying to state my ideas for making the problem a lesser one. End of post.
Okay, I need to say one more thing. Something that has been brought to my attention...
We ARE being silenced by the Mods.
Our voices are being muted by them because they've placed themselves above us. We ARE real people behind these computer screens. People with rights. The same rights as them.
I recently tried to speak out in-game to the Mods and express my opinion within a rather reasonable manor, which it started out as, but because of being cut off by the same old answers they've been shoving at us, and the name-calling, the smart-ass remarks... it all spiraled out of control.
I have, in fact, apologize for the incident, but it doesn't do anything.
A friend of mine was banned for a week because of this.
I really don't know what to do anymore. I'm just... sick of all this shit. Really.
We're told to be open-minded and accepting of the Mods' "brilliant" ideas, but they don't do the same in return. It's becoming unfair to the community.
- Scarlett
Okay, I need to say one more thing. Something that has been brought to my attention...I completely agree. It was strange, really. A few of my close, literate friends and I went into the plains a few days ago to express our opinions. We were calm at first, but as soon as we began to speak, we were met with aggressive attitudes, and were even called "uneducated" and taunted. And today when I was passing by the n/z, there were tons of protesters around, and some mods I haven't seen on in a while. Is this what has become of the FH staff then? Suddenly coming on now and banning or ridiculing the community for their opinions?
We ARE being silenced by the Mods.
Our voices are being muted by them because they've placed themselves above us. We ARE real people behind these computer screens. People with rights. The same rights as them.
I recently tried to speak out in-game to the Mods and express my opinion within a rather reasonable manor, which it started out as, but because of being cut off by the same old answers they've been shoving at us, and the name-calling, the smart-ass remarks... it all spiraled out of control.
I have, in fact, apologize for the incident, but it doesn't do anything.
A friend of mine was banned for a week because of this.
I really don't know what to do anymore. I'm just... sick of all this -Removed by moderator-. Really.
We're told to be open-minded and accepting of the Mods' "brilliant" ideas, but they don't do the same in return. It's becoming unfair to the community.
- Scarlett
Okay, I need to say one more thing. Something that has been brought to my attention...I completely agree. It was strange, really. A few of my close, literate friends and I went into the plains a few days ago to express our opinions. We were calm at first, but as soon as we began to speak, we were met with aggressive attitudes, and were even called "uneducated" and taunted. And today when I was passing by the n/z, there were tons of protesters around, and some mods I haven't seen on in a while. Is this what has become of the FH staff then? Suddenly coming on now and banning or ridiculing the community for their opinions?
We ARE being silenced by the Mods.
Our voices are being muted by them because they've placed themselves above us. We ARE real people behind these computer screens. People with rights. The same rights as them.
I recently tried to speak out in-game to the Mods and express my opinion within a rather reasonable manor, which it started out as, but because of being cut off by the same old answers they've been shoving at us, and the name-calling, the smart-ass remarks... it all spiraled out of control.
I have, in fact, apologize for the incident, but it doesn't do anything.
A friend of mine was banned for a week because of this.
I really don't know what to do anymore. I'm just... sick of all this -Removed by moderator-. Really.
We're told to be open-minded and accepting of the Mods' "brilliant" ideas, but they don't do the same in return. It's becoming unfair to the community.
- Scarlett
I highly object to taking the chat away, as it has led to nothing so far but drama, anger, and of course, heavy movie spam! And movie spam was something that seemed to bother so many people, and even upset some staff members. So taking away the chat that was primarily used for advertising is a good idea...how?
And on the topic of advertising, sure people could use the forums to advertise. However, most members of FH, including myself, rarely check the forums, if not at all! And even the ones that do may not even check the role play section, but instead only come on for help or updates. Also, movies do not allow you to state all your role play's information, and it just leads to a lot of problems.
I could keep rambling on now, but surely I would just be repeating things that so many have said before me. I suggest that the staff actually LISTEN to the community, as we are indeed a voice. We are the other half that keeps feralheart going. If we are supposed to be so open minded, why can't the staff be the same way? Upset the community, lose the community. That will be all.
It will indeed be very different and quiet without general. For me the only bad thing is that now I won't have anything to do when I'm bored DX But still, it will be kinda nice without the spam and caps. Now we can tell everyone else who joins FH the stories about general xD We will be like elders telling grand kids about the olden days xDIn Warrior Clans they will now have a use for elders. XD
I aqm now not only mad about General being gone... I am now ticked at the way mods are treating the protestors. Standing up for what we believe in does not make us 'ungrateful brats' or 'uneducated'. Red literally called me that for calmly defending my opinion. The mods tell US to be open-minded, yet THEY aren't open minded themselves. All they do all day is sit on a rock calling everyone 'floofs'. When was the last time anyone saw that Godly red text? Two years ago? If an arguement is happening in General, the mods should step in and END IT, instead of removing the chat completely to avoid having to moderate. All the mods do now is throw around their power and think we, the community, are uneducated, ungrateful little brats. Apparently, our opinions don't matter at all.
I wasn't trying to be disrespectful today, but I was ticked off. Last night, I was trying toi be calm and collected about it, and quite peaceful. I tried getting my point through to Red's brain, but he wouldn't hear a word of it. He just waved me away as if my opinion didn't matter, and his supporters did as well. He called me an 'ungrateful brat' and 'uneducated'. He also stated that 'You kids have no idea what it's like to moderate a game'. Well, you know what? YES, I DO. I am a moderator at the Warriors MMORPG, Moonrise. In fact, not a mod, but an ADMIN. I know how to run a community, and I know that being a moderator means listening to the community and making them happy. ANd Red said this: "If you were really a mod at Moonrise, you'd be nicer." ....Um, excuse me? I /am/ nice! If I wasn't /nice/, then I wouldn't be fighting for what is right! And the mods aren't being nice by merely silencing us, and abusing their powers by banning us all for speaking our minds. I was calm. I was level-headed and peaceful, but it was Red and his friends who started throwing insults around. Hell, I even heard that Red and his friends cussed someone out last night! And if that really happened, then MODS were breaking the rules that THEY are supposed to enforce! I can tell you, next time I go on, I will screenshot my conversation and post it. The mods are acting like we have no say, and our opinions don't matter the tiniest bit. Now, I am not directing this towards ALL of the mods, mind you, I am mostly speaking of Red and his friends, the ones who unfairly ban, insult, cuss out, etc. If these mods really cared about what the community thinks, then they would LISTEN to us, and let us speak our minds without fear of being banned. I will take an unofficial poll into my own hands. The mods don't have to listen to it, but I want to see which side has the most votes. Maybe then, they will listen and see that probably 99% of us wants General back. There are definitely more "I want General back" comments than "I don't want it back" comments. Really. The mods need to pay attention to us. We DO NOT expect to have everything given to us on a silver plate, as Red puts it, we just want rights, and we want justice. And, we just want to be able to speak our minds, and for the moderators to be fair. Sure, 'life isn't fair,' but you know what? FeralHeart isn't real life. The moderators could be fair to us.
PS. Please delete the post by Moonstripe, as that was me. I wanna post it on my own account, soooo... lolol.
Most of the posts here want General back, and there are LOTS of groups in Fluorite wanting it back. :I And by the way, it isn't JUST the General thing I'm mad about now, it is the way the mods are treating the large portion of the community that wants it back, for speaking our minds. They insult us. The degrade us. They call us stupid. Tip: "Uneducated" is the same as calling someone stupid. The way the treat US is offensive. So they can't cry about the way we treat THEM being offensive. Atr least I don't throw insults around and call the mods 'ungrateful uneducated brats', like they call me and many others.This post wasn't directed at you specifically, instead it was rather directed at the spammers and trolls who think that if they make it seem worse without general they'll get it back. I was also a bit angry because I saw some members typing comments that really seemed full of hate that should be directed at the trolls who made gen go down rather than at the staff. You are right that lately the staff hasn't been communicating as often as some of us would like, but at the same time think about all the PMs they are receiving about the "General" topic. Some of those PMs might be full of hate and harmful words, so it's no surprise they're not all in a good jolly mood.
"The stupidist thing that has happened after WWII"Dude, I hope you were joking.
What I don't agree with here is users attacking others especially the mods. Many of you are claiming that the staff are not giving you a voice or letting you share your opinions and that's wrong. This entire post was left open for a reason and that's to hear each of your opinions & get constructive critism. If staff doesn't care to hear your opinions this thread could have easily been posted locked. Every staff members reads the posts that each user posts here and we discuss it thoroughly amongst one another in hopes of coming to some middle ground that will please the majority. We are not here for ourselves nor are we taking the time to do these things out of self interest. Instead of constantly bad mouthing the staff a select few of you here need to put yourselves in our shoes and understand what it is to work with such a narrow work space and often stubborn community.
KovuLKD left and with him went any chance of adding new content to the game. We staff are working with an incomplete game that has alot of errors with it and no source code to fix them. We are trying our best to make this community run as smoothly and as long as possible with limited resources and all the majority of you decide to do is complain every time we try something new in hopes of bettering your gaming experience. Then you all wonder why at some point staff gets impatient and upset? All we ask is for your patience, maturity, and understanding. We are all in a tight spot but when it comes to managing the problems it's the loyal staff that's taken the worst of the punishment. Many of you side against us in stubborn fits when you are encountered with one or two inconveniences when we staff have to work with an entire onslaught of inconveniences including the community's back talk and lack of support every day we log on to this game. It's a wonder how some of us are still even patient and caring enough to read and write back a response to you guys here.
When it comes to the mods kicking you or banning you in game for merely voicing your opinions I have a hard time believing that. The staff appreciates user feedback as it makes our jobs easier understanding this community & the individuals needs. When staff kick or ban it is because users have pushed the boundaries and began to disrespect staff, break rules, or harass the others with their protesting. DO NOT make claim of unfair banning because there is no such thing. Out of this whole time I have only kicked one individual who was protesting the removal of General Chat because they began name calling and disrespecting an admin right in front of me after several warnings. Even still I was nice enough just to kick and not ban after the rude and degrading things they said to Red. You are allowed to protest and voice opinions but there is no need what so ever to behave in a disorderly fashion, break rules, or disrespect staff because when you do then it's only your fault if you are kicked &/or banned.
If you want your voice and your opinions to be heard this thread is remaining open during the duration that General chat is down. We staff are very attentive and considerate of all your feelings so during this time of test please be to ours.
We are just a few against entire community here and we deserve a voice & respect just as much as you all do too.
What I don't agree with here is users attacking others especially the mods. Many of you are claiming that the staff are not giving you a voice or letting you share your opinions and that's wrong. This entire post was left open for a reason and that's to hear each of your opinions & get constructive critism. If staff doesn't care to hear your opinions this thread could have easily been posted locked. Every staff members reads the posts that each user posts here and we discuss it thoroughly amongst one another in hopes of coming to some middle ground that will please the majority. We are not here for ourselves nor are we taking the time to do these things out of self interest. Instead of constantly bad mouthing the staff a select few of you here need to put yourselves in our shoes and understand what it is to work with such a narrow work space and often stubborn community.
KovuLKD left and with him went any chance of adding new content to the game. We staff are working with an incomplete game that has alot of errors with it and no source code to fix them. We are trying our best to make this community run as smoothly and as long as possible with limited resources and all the majority of you decide to do is complain every time we try something new in hopes of bettering your gaming experience. Then you all wonder why at some point staff gets impatient and upset? All we ask is for your patience, maturity, and understanding. We are all in a tight spot but when it comes to managing the problems it's the loyal staff that's taken the worst of the punishment. Many of you side against us in stubborn fits when you are encountered with one or two inconveniences when we staff have to work with an entire onslaught of inconveniences including the community's back talk and lack of support every day we log on to this game. It's a wonder how some of us are still even patient and caring enough to read and write back a response to you guys here.
When it comes to the mods kicking you or banning you in game for merely voicing your opinions I have a hard time believing that. The staff appreciates user feedback as it makes our jobs easier understanding this community & the individuals needs. When staff kick or ban it is because users have pushed the boundaries and began to disrespect staff, break rules, or harass the others with their protesting. DO NOT make claim of unfair banning because there is no such thing. Out of this whole time I have only kicked one individual who was protesting the removal of General Chat because they began name calling and disrespecting an admin right in front of me after several warnings. Even still I was nice enough just to kick and not ban after the rude and degrading things they said to Red. You are allowed to protest and voice opinions but there is no need what so ever to behave in a disorderly fashion, break rules, or disrespect staff because when you do then it's only your fault if you are kicked &/or banned.
If you want your voice and your opinions to be heard this thread is remaining open during the duration that General chat is down. We staff are very attentive and considerate of all your feelings so during this time of test please be to ours.
We are just a few against entire community here and we deserve a voice & respect just as much as you all do too.
What I say is true.
People would react around the same way if they would get informed around 1 week or more before the chat would get removed :DTrue, but the thing is there'd be less of a freakout in the beginning if people were more prepared and were able to sit and think "so general might be removed for a test. it won't be that bad; what can i come up with to stay active with my role play for when that happens?"
And we got informed about it, look at the OP.
And like I said before in my first post here, we all will learn from it. Good and bad experiences included.
Just wait it out, it will get normal.
But this hostility now is killing me xc why can't people be open minded and be like: ''Ok, yes I miss general. I would like it back, but I will see what I can do now for the time being, maybe It won't even be that bad, after all it is just a test.''
(iMello... :/ look at what you wrote and you will see why Red called you like that...)
That does NOT excuse the fact that Red and his friends are INSULTING people for voicing their opinions, and cussing them out, banning, etc. Red called me an 'ungrateful, uneducated brat' for very CALMLY stating my opinion. He was all, "Oh, you have no idea what it's like to moderate a game." NEWS FLASH. I DO. I'm an ADMIN an Moonrise. I KNOW how to moderate, and I know that being an admin means LISTENING TO THE COMMUNITY and keeping your members happy. I know how to manage a game. Calling me uneducated is calling me stupid. And he called me an ungrateful brat. Ungrateful? Really? I'm grateful for that the staff do usually, but I am NOT grateful about THIS and the way staff are treating us now. Why would I? Why would I be GRATEFUL to be insulted? Why would I be GRATEFUL to have General taken away, which was my FAVORITE CHAT? Red and his friends that sit on the rock all day doing nothing but chatting, are now insulting us and saying they they are the perfect moderators and throwing their positions around. Well, Red, if you were the perfect moderator, then you would actually interfere when a topic about rape or a bunch of cursing appeared in General, instead of sitting there doing NOTHING. You would actually MODERATE the chat, instead of deleting it and upsetting the community. This is causing way too many fights. Just give us General back and be done with it.
Losing one of your actual possessions and losing -one other -method of chat are nothing alike. As I said before, other players got on well without it, so can you. I never used it other then to nose at peoples argues, since people were always having inappropriate debates over it.
If there was a warning, people still would have moaned. It's like when the server is about to go down and they warn us, then when people come back they start saying "What was that did anyone else crash?" or "The server just died!" Not everyone would react the way you would.
Everyone has a right to their opinion, and everyone has the right to state their opinion. Freedom of speech. Red and his friends shouldn't insult us for stating our opinions. I did not insult the mods. I told them to listen to the community, which they are clearly NOT doing. In fact, Raz even said this earlier in game:Many dont believe what one says on fh without a screenshot, I'm afraid.
Me: You just throw out our opinions like they don't even matter.
Raz: Well, at the moment, they don't.
Me: So the opinion of the community doesn't matter at all to you?
Raz: No. Bring me the entire community. Let me hear them all say that this is a bad idea. (Or something like that)
Someone else: That's impossible, Raz, and you know it.
Most of the posts here want General back, and there are LOTS of groups in Fluorite wanting it back...
I know I already posted and might be inviting disaster by posting this reply, but has ANYONE checked the statistics!?
You all are shouting that some 99% of the community want general back.
I will look at the number of replies here and subtract 19 from that number, for replies of the same members and for replies of the people who want general to remain gone.
So 169-19=160, right? So around 160 members (that we are aware of) disagree or are not very happy with general being gone.
Now look at the statistics page...
Total Members: 194974
Lets take 194974 and compare it to 160...
Equation time!
194974 = 160
100% X%
So, 100 x 160= 16000
Now, 16000/194974 = 0.082% <-- That's the percentage of people who have DECLARED their insatisfaction with general being gone.
100% - 0.082% = 99.918% <-- Percentage of people who either: Didn't see the change (weren't active), want general gone, are able to adapt or don't mind.
Thank you, Thantos, someone finally took the initiative to work out some numbers! ^^ However on the other hand, there are a few things I'd also like to point out: "So 169-19=160, right?" is actually off by 10, and the correct number would be... 150. Also, "Total Members: 194974," there are plenty of double, triple, etc. accounts by the same person. And "100% - 0.082% = 99.918% <-- Percentage of people who either: Didn't see the change (weren't active)..." there are plenty of people who no longer play, or as you said, are no longer active. So unfortunately, there's a lot to account for and there isn't really a way to have exact numbers unless you have statistics for active members.
The best way of calculating that number would be by adding a poll for all active users to participate in. And for that to work, you'll have to make sure that everyone can see it- the best place would probably be here in the News/Updates section. BUT, what about those users who do not check the forum regularly or at all? Maybe they've come in once or twice since general's been down, but if you add the poll now, where will they be? How are you going to get them to vote so that it will be fair? I do not like the idea of the servers being closed for a week or so that all users can be informed, but if that means everyone gets a fair change at voting, then how else can we find what the majority thinks, and the best solution? I'm up for better suggestions, but at the rate that this seems to be getting handled (and I don't think it's being addressed very well at the moment...), something should be done soon and for everyone.
Everyone has a right to their opinion, and everyone has the right to state their opinion. Freedom of speech. Red and his friends shouldn't insult us for stating our opinions. I did not insult the mods. I told them to listen to the community, which they are clearly NOT doing. In fact, Raz even said this earlier in game:
Me: You just throw out our opinions like they don't even matter.
Raz: Well, at the moment, they don't.
Me: So the opinion of the community doesn't matter at all to you?
Raz: No. Bring me the entire community. Let me hear them all say that this is a bad idea. (Or something like that)
Someone else: That's impossible, Raz, and you know it.
The best way of calculating that number would be by adding a poll for all active users to participate in. And for that to work, you'll have to make sure that everyone can see it- the best place would probably be here in the News/Updates section. BUT, what about those users who do not check the forum regularly or at all? Maybe they've come in once or twice since general's been down, but if you add the poll now, where will they be? How are you going to get them to vote so that it will be fair? I do not like the idea of the servers being closed for a week or so that all users can be informed, but if that means everyone gets a fair change at voting, then how else can we find what the majority thinks, and the best solution? I'm up for better suggestions, but at the rate that this seems to be getting handled (and I don't think it's being addressed very well at the moment...), something should be done soon and for everyone.
This is sort of just a request though- not towards the staff, but rather, the members. I just want us to kind of just, calm down and have a Jelly Baby, a'right?
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I do not know how to be sorry for using a Doctor Who reference at the end of this serious request hell i think i ruined the entire thing by doing that okay.
The 200 accounts for the majority of those who have seen this and gave their opinions. The majority of the people who know of this want General back.
Does everyone disagree with the calm persons posts all the time...
People have opinions that are to be respected...
And will utterly, always be hated...
If YOU my dears, have a problem.. ~Adjusts glasses.~
Then... do take my advice to heart... Ignore this thread... its such a simple thing really... Or, better yet, leave the game... It does tend to have drama so if you didn't come prepared, go elsewhere...
Cheerio... ~Lifts another glass of wine.
Phantom... Do you know WHY you have members? The only reason you have been able to get members is because your group is an I WANT GENERAL BACK group, which people are sure to join if they see it. It is much harder for actual ROLEPLAYS.
My mapped group's been recruiting successfully without general for six months, entirely through word of mouth and weekly, public roleplaying sessions. It's honestly not hard if you try!
Also, people who are against the change are more likely to voice their opinion than those who are pleased with it; using the opinions gathered in this thread will undeniably be skewed towards those that abhor the removal of general. People are quicker to complain than to praise. Most people I've talked to actually like it; this thread's in no way representative of the community's overall opinion-- and certainly shouldn't be taken as such.
Even then, it's-... A chat channel. In a sandbox game. Please put things into perspective; it's not a crime against human rights! It's not the end of the world, goodness gracious! Just adapt (or go outside, play a different game etc.) until a better solution's found; general shouldn't be brought back until the underlying issues are resolved.
I wasn't being rude, I am stating the truth. Phantom's group, The Ninety Nine percent, is a group for protesting the removal of General. People see them and join them because they want General back. It is, however, nearly impossible for actual roleplaying groups to find members. I made a pack two days ago and so far I have ONE member. JUST ONE.
To be honest I don't mind. (Couldn't care less really.)
At least it's in private maps guys! You can still RP! And it will encourage Map RPs and maybe a little less den claiming and hoards of lion king prides at the fluorite bridge!
But all the bashers are getting to me, I actually like this update. But it makes it more difficult to interact with people via General. And I kinda miss the spam, there were some funny topics in fluorite at times.
And as for what Nemena said (Wont let me quote), it's really not that hard to advertise groups and RP's, really, it isn't! Make RP advertisements with movies! It floods the chat less as you can choose to view the video if you are searching for an RP.
Why not make another chat group that can be seen from all corners of the map as well but only for general talking. Have a general for advertising and a different 'general' (may want to name it differently) for talking so you could turn ether or off?
I wasn't being rude, I am stating the truth. Phantom's group, The Ninety Nine percent, is a group for protesting the removal of General. People see them and join them because they want General back. It is, however, nearly impossible for actual roleplaying groups to find members. I made a pack two days ago and so far I have ONE member. JUST ONE.
No, you were kind of being rude. Perhaps Phantom`s group does have protestors, however simply because that might be so gives you barely a right to announce it to the world. What I also find. . . Oh, I dunno, "ironic" is that you are also one of these "protesters".
You can throw stones when you're perfect, Mello.
Phantom... Do you know WHY you have members? The only reason you have been able to get members is because your group is an I WANT GENERAL BACK group, which people are sure to join if they see it. It is much harder for actual ROLEPLAYS.Well, yes, anon is a group of people who would like general back, however, mammon is not. That's a pack that's been around forever. If you'd like, I will just use mammon as my key point instead. ^^
Phantom... Do you know WHY you have members? The only reason you have been able to get members is because your group is an I WANT GENERAL BACK group, which people are sure to join if they see it. It is much harder for actual ROLEPLAYS.
I joined a role play today due to watching movies, proof it works. I know for a fact people looking for groups to join normally hang around stone bridge and NZ too. I don't see how general being gone can effect advertising so much other then now we don't have to have bickering in general flooding away the ads and if we don't want to see ads we don't have to.
Maybe someone should make a "I'm looking for a group centre" lolololol.
To be honest I don't mind. (Couldn't care less really.)
At least it's in private maps guys! You can still RP! And it will encourage Map RPs and maybe a little less den claiming and hoards of lion king prides at the fluorite bridge!
But all the bashers are getting to me, I actually like this update. But it makes it more difficult to interact with people via General. And I kinda miss the spam, there were some funny topics in fluorite at times.
And as for what Nemena said (Wont let me quote), it's really not that hard to advertise groups and RP's, really, it isn't! Make RP advertisements with movies! It floods the chat less as you can choose to view the video if you are searching for an RP.
But what about those who cannot download maps? You have to put in some kind of consideration for them. I can download maps with no ease, but for some of us we just simply cannot download them.
Others have also pointed out in this thread that some cannot view videos because they get an error, constant spamming, or they click the wrong video that is not even related to a role play at all. Every time I get on Movie is flooding my chat box to the point that I have to cut it off. I also have two four times click or three times click and sometimes scroll back up to the video I wish to view... sometimes that video you want to view can be a RP or just random none sense.
Altogether it is really annoying with the movies... But we have no other choice but to deal with it until this mess is squared away.
To be honest I don't mind. (Couldn't care less really.)
At least it's in private maps guys! You can still RP! And it will encourage Map RPs and maybe a little less den claiming and hoards of lion king prides at the fluorite bridge!
But all the bashers are getting to me, I actually like this update. But it makes it more difficult to interact with people via General. And I kinda miss the spam, there were some funny topics in fluorite at times.
And as for what Nemena said (Wont let me quote), it's really not that hard to advertise groups and RP's, really, it isn't! Make RP advertisements with movies! It floods the chat less as you can choose to view the video if you are searching for an RP.
I agree with Phantom on this... Really truly guys. There's no need to be grumpy or argue over the matter, Like Doc pointed out. The fact is that the mods have made they're decision for now and it's not been very long since it was put into effect. At least give it just a little bit of time and try--that's all they're asking for--and if at the end of it all, we have different opinions, that's to be expected. There will always be differing opinions, no matter the outcome or situation, and the best we can do is recognize it and do our best.^ This I like
Guys can we all just grow up and stop making pointless arguments. Its not doing anyone any good and I know for a fact the mods/other people don't want to read all that mess. Calm. Down. It is okay. Trust me.
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P.S Thanks to all the people who are trying to calm people down.
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I mostly agree with Phantom and Winter. The best we can do is try to get used to this, and tell them politely we don't like it. /If/ we end up still not liking it after honestly trying. Don't just run up to them without trying and saying you're not a big fan of it.
Well as of last night "general chat" is no longer with us in public maps.
I know some of you are instantly looking for someone to blame. Well I'm here I admit it was me. ;D
Well this was a suggestion and a number of people backed the idea.
I'm not entirely sure how it will affect the game. I'm aware the biggest impact will be to those advertising RP's. Some of you have started using movie clips to advertise. Not really what we would prefer but so long as your not spamming clip after clip I guess its acceptable. What we would rather RPer's do is find home to share your RP's locally. I know a lot of you call people to the "Stone Bridge" in flourite perhaps that will make a good point of exchange for this with RP's to advertise and those looking for an RP to join.
But like I said I'm not clear yet on how this will affect the game or its players.
Please be open minded to this change, we will be reviewing it in due course.
Raz
........Im against the change, I mean...sure, gen was a pain sometimes, but it was where loads of people could express themselves, and if you felt bad, there wasn't a moment when Gen couldn't cheer you up with some floofie's comment...But, I'll have to get used to it...wait, is this change PERMENANT?No, it is just a test, after this everyone will see how it all ran.
So now FH is crashing (Feralheart.exe has stopped working) when I go into fluorite.This often happens to a lot of people. I think it is just a glitch. i posted a thread in the help section about this. Fearah has some suggetions in it that were hellpful. If they dont work, Try resetting your home position and logging on, or just hanging out in another map for an hour or so. You'll get back in eventually.
I would sure hope so. :I I'm sorry if I seem rude right now, Red, but that was honestly stupid to lock that poll. We were finally getting accurate numbers, only for it to be locked... that's just unfair.
I will kindly ask you just here and now to stop with the sarcastic comments and overall pointless stirring up of things, it's getting very tiresome here.
I've tried to adapt, actually... I tried the whole 'movie' thing to advertise. But, you know what? I was kicked for it. Said I was 'movie spamming', which I wasn't. I was advertising. We don't have General, so the only way to advertise is with movies, and now we are getting kicked for that... what else are we supposed to do?
No amount of arguing with the staff, no amount of throwing fits or insulting, pointing fingers or noncooperation with the staff is going to help you prove your point. I'm pretty certain they know the pros and cons already, as people have countlessly shoved them in their faces since general was removed. It's just really ticking me off how people are treating each other. So, as I'm sure a couple of your mothers out there have told you at least once, quite whining and complaining and go do something constructive.
X3 We can see that most people want general back. I also heared that Red said that getting general off is just a test. Is this true?
That is true... people really should just calm down. The moderators have said that it is a test. Test means it is not permanent, they are merely testing. SO all of you, please calm down and quit fighting, it is quite pointless.. Fighting will only anger the mods and make them not want to give it back. If you want General back, protest in a peaceful way that does not involve bashing anyone. ~Vio
For the record, I'm still against the removal of the chat, though I have seen some really good points from both sides.
The one idea that keeps coming up to bug me, however, is the idea that removing Gen-chat will get rid of trolls, drama, arguments, etc. Every single chat in the game would have to be removed before just the arguments and drama stopped, and even then sparkle-trolls would still be around. Bad behavior isn't going to suddenly decrease because a chat was removed (in fact, I think it's gone up in the past week. Dunno.) Even if or when General has been gone for quite a long time, people are still going to find ways to make everyone around them miserable. It's an inevitability that doesn't go away just because General has.
There is some serious overreacting being displayed on this subject..
Life is full of change. There's nothing anyone can do besides adapt and learn to live with it.
I also personally hate people coming up to me like : Do you wanna join my pack? You dont get the information you get in advertisments
Just another little bit from me, because I'm getting very concerned.I'm seeing the same thing, and I agree, it's quite concerning. I mean, it's one thing when it's just spam and trolling. It's a completely new world when hatred, protesting, and assults are being thrown around carelessly. Really, i'm scared to return to FH. I have no clue what kinda of hatred and terror awaits me. So, I guess until it all stops; I don't plan to play FH, and, if it goes on, I won't ever again; THAT'S how concerned I am. FH at one point was my favorite game, but since this has started; it's constantly going downhill. I fully agree with you. Trolling and spam is everyday life. Hatred, assualting, verbaling abusing, that's one of the definitions of complete terror in my book. (Sorry for bad english if any.)
Apparently now players are being banned for speaking their minds about this topic in-game. Mods and players are having full-blown arguments and the whole atmosphere of the game has suddenly become disturbingly hostile. Even as I'm typing this, I'm watching a rather heated conversation at NZ between some protesters and mods. The protesters are trying to state their case in a mature way, and the mods seem to be doing nothing but getting angry and accusing them of being ungrateful little brats.
Aside from anything else, there is a serious attitude problem arising here. One party tries to be calm and mature about things while getting their point across, and others throw verbal abuse at them. This is coming from both sides of the argument, and I'm really getting worried. Never before have I seen such animosity on Feralheart, it's beginning to sound like genuine hatred.
What's happening to the game I once loved? This hasn't changed anything for the better, it's just driving us apart further. I don't want to see Feralheart descend into a battleground over something that could be solved so easily...
Well your right.It is harder to find members for the RP's and they give up...But some of them dont give up and they SPAM whit movie clips andi cant even tell them to stop...if i wanna tell them to stop i have to whisper them...and theres A LOT of spaming ppl .-.
There was an option to close general chat, but people couldn't handle it and scream in general to stop talking. Advertisers now might be giving up on their rps because of this new change.
I know we need to grow to this new change, but I can't.
You can meet new friends in General, or just talk. Now we all have to say in movies, saying: "Who wants to talk? =P"
I'd hate to do that. Most people on there aren't very 'talkative" types.
In my honest opinion, which will probably get completely ignored, I think the removal of General Chat was potentially one of the worst ideas they've had so far. They should have had some form of poll to weigh up the opinion of the community, instead of just assuming that removing it would solve all the problems. If anything, from what I've witnessed as a regular on this game and having played this game for years now, Feral heart's community is not only reducing, but it's now also falling apart. The game itself is decaying; I have never seen Fluorite Plains so inactive before. Yes, there are still rps. Yes, there are still people around. BUT, the rps are no longer active; I have not seen an RP last more than 1 day since this update came into force. Don't get me wrong, I'm not ignorant enough to say that there is no RP in existence that lasts more than 1 day, I'm simply stating what I've experienced personally.
I think the Moderators should actually listen this time instead of just sitting like they're so much more superior than the majority of the active community. I've spent much time hanging around with the moderators before general chat was removed, and dare I say that, although I have witnessed them doing their job a few times, the majority of the time they just sit about on Skype to each other, on live stream, or on feral heart, calling each other 'floofs' and meowing at each other. There have been many times where I've been sat with them, and have seen some sort of conflict going on in general, that they are well aware of, and they've done nothing about it; not even speaking. A couple of years ago, the well respected and feared red text was a regular occurrence, and now I'd be lucky if I saw it once a week, or once a fortnight. Dare I say, if I had to opportunity to do their job, I would do so many things that they're not doing... like actually moderating and keeping control in the game. (Don't get me wrong, I'm not referring to every moderator here.)
They should bring general back. Advertisements are a rare occurrence now, and the movie glitch is still around commonly. It's hard to find rps these days, and it's hard to organise one and keep it running. Most of the time in-game, I see people just chatting these days instead of RPing. It's completely killed what Feral heart was intended for. General should return, and the mods should do their jobs. If someone says something in the chat you don't like, BLOCK THEM. If general chat is getting on your nerves, CLOSE IT. Or you could simply do the mature thing and IGNORE THEM. You are not idiots, and you have the physical ability to take things into your own hands in a mature and effective manner to rid yourself of these problems; so do it instead of whining that they would shut up and beginning an argument with the offenders. It's the people who do not do the obvious things like block, close and ignore that are the reason general chat has been closed.
Anyway, if that made no sense and I went on a ramble, apologies. If only I were a moderator, then perhaps at least the community might have a say in how the game was run.
You don't have to agree with me, but please respect my opinion.
I've never been staff anywhere nor have I implied that I know everything or whatever you said, unless that wasn't really directed towards me. But from my observations, you guys aren't really doing as much as you claim to do. There's really no proof that you do as much as you say. All you can do is tell me that you do your job. Nothing else so far. I know that people have said you guys don't do your job before so many times and you don't really do anything to prove that you do your job.
Now, why did you get rid of general chat?
Spam? Harassment? Rude behavior or bad language or whatever?
What did staff do about those users? You didn't really try, that's what. You didn't tell them to stop. You didn't ban them. At least, it seems that way because I know that I myself have sent in screenshots and I see the same people online the next day. I used to like seeing that red text knowing that staff were on and doing things, now it'd a miracle if I saw it again.
You guys are just digging your own graves at this point, it seems.
You didn't really try, that's what.Always this game about knowing so much about the work done.
What I said was, the community is going to blame you, not themselves. If almost everyone hates the decision then, well, you did something wrong here.
But from my observations, you guys aren't really doing as much as you claim to do. There's really no proof that you do as much as you say. All you can do is tell me that you do your job. Nothing else so far. I know that people have said you guys don't do your job before so many times and you don't really do anything to prove that you do your job.
What did staff do about those users? You didn't really try, that's what. You didn't tell them to stop. You didn't ban them. At least, it seems that way because I know that I myself have sent in screenshots and I see the same people online the next day. I used to like seeing that red text knowing that staff were on and doing things, now it'd a miracle if I saw it again.
Without a second thought, you just got rid of the chat overall instead of attempting to stop these people. Hell, I heard many, many times that the in-game report button is fake/doesn't work, so that says a lot about your "hard work" and how you do your job.
If this is the impression that I and possibly many other users get, then try and accept the fact that maybe you really aren't doing you job or doing the right thing, etc.
You guys are just digging your own graves at this point, it seems.
You all need to stop this fighting and useless threats/insults/blaming.
We all have the right to have an opinion, and to express it as long as you do in a somewhat mature way and maybe share with us why you have that opinion - maybe then things can be discussed in an adult matter.
And this crap about mods/admins not doing their work - if they wouldn't be doing their work do you honestly think you could play this game right now? That anyone would offer time and money to keep the servers up? To spend much of their free time to be here and try to help users and this community? Do you think being an admin/mod is all about having "power"? Who do you think has to listen to all the haters/complaints all the time? And this is no "excuse" it is the truth.
And are the staff not human beings like yourself? They deserve praise and gratitude for keeping this abandoned game alive and keeping it from being run over by trolls and people doing everything to destroy the fun in the game.
They might do mistakes - but surely you have made mistakes too?
It's not about worshipping them - it's about showing some respect.
With the general chat being taken down - couldn't you atleast have given it a try and have some patience before getting butthurt and start ranting about it and the staff. It's no ones fault it got taken down - it's a test to see if things could change to the better but people went raging before they even gave it a try!
Those who are not pleased with this change should voice their feelings about this - but don't go "everyone wants general back" "this sucks" "it's the mods/admins fault" "we want this and we want that"
It's not true, and no matter how much it it stings in your greedy little heart you do not run this game - you can't tell what the staff can and cannot do - they have the right to make changes and if you don't like that you can leave.
Try to show everyone why general should be brought back - in an adult way. Give ideas and reasons why it is better with a general chat instead of fighting about it. WORK to get it back, don't throw hissy fits and act spoiled by thinking you'll get general back by throwing accusements at others and being plain rude. And those who actually are mature and trying to get out their opinions in a calm way are getting run over by the fighting - so you are more or less destroying things for yourselves.
I can guarantee you - the more rude comments/accusements/ranting will make the chance of general chat coming back much much smaller.
I know there are nice and good people out here - I meet some of you everytime I am in-game.
I said I didn't look for sympathy points, but the excuse of life works for everyone else, even members and players. Why shouldn't the staff get to say they are humans too.In the working world a person's job and bills often come before the human factor of themselves. Even as an unpaid forum or game staff member, similar things are usually best applied to better handle things. I see working people with problems every day and I do not hear them whine about their problems or their home life when dealing with unsatisfied or rude customers. They take it in stride. Sometimes they blow up or lose it, sure, but most of the time they suck it up and deal with it regardless of how hurtful it is.
You all need to stop this fighting and useless threats/insults/blaming.
We all have the right to have an opinion, and to express it as long as you do in a somewhat mature way and maybe share with us why you have that opinion - maybe then things can be discussed in an adult matter.
And this crap about mods/admins not doing their work - if they wouldn't be doing their work do you honestly think you could play this game right now? That anyone would offer time and money to keep the servers up? To spend much of their free time to be here and try to help users and this community? Do you think being an admin/mod is all about having "power"? Who do you think has to listen to all the haters/complaints all the time? And this is no "excuse" it is the truth.
And are the staff not human beings like yourself? They deserve praise and gratitude for keeping this abandoned game alive and keeping it from being run over by trolls and people doing everything to destroy the fun in the game.
They might do mistakes - but surely you have made mistakes too?
It's not about worshipping them - it's about showing some respect.
With the general chat being taken down - couldn't you atleast have given it a try and have some patience before getting butthurt and start ranting about it and the staff. It's no ones fault it got taken down - it's a test to see if things could change to the better but people went raging before they even gave it a try!
Those who are not pleased with this change should voice their feelings about this - but don't go "everyone wants general back" "this sucks" "it's the mods/admins fault" "we want this and we want that"
It's not true, and no matter how much it it stings in your greedy little heart you do not run this game - you can't tell what the staff can and cannot do - they have the right to make changes and if you don't like that you can leave.
Try to show everyone why general should be brought back - in an adult way. Give ideas and reasons why it is better with a general chat instead of fighting about it. WORK to get it back, don't throw hissy fits and act spoiled by thinking you'll get general back by throwing accusements at others and being plain rude. And those who actually are mature and trying to get out their opinions in a calm way are getting run over by the fighting - so you are more or less destroying things for yourselves.
I can guarantee you - the more rude comments/accusements/ranting will make the chance of general chat coming back much much smaller.
I know there are nice and good people out here - I meet some of you everytime I am in-game.
Ahem. *quietly raises paw* this isn't me accusing anyone or even talking about how life is right now on FH, just one little request.While I understand where you're coming from, please look into this quote from Razmirz:
May we please have an end date to this test? If it's going to purely be a matter of waiting until you have the results you need and you can't give an exact date, then that's fine too of course. But if it is possible, I think it would be very helpful to everyone involved if we could perhaps have an estimated time of when the test will end, a date that we can spread around to people and let them know when they'll have Gen back, especially the people who really miss it. Not demanding anything else here, not pointing fingers, just wondering what sort of time frame we're dealing with.
I offer you this plate of cookies as a token of peace.
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For the time being we are not about to change anything on a whim of a few users. The sooner you settle down to the idea the sooner we can actually take a proper view of its affects on the game without the expected initial rejection.In other words, for the moment we do not have a "set time" for the end of this test. The purpose of this change is to step back and observe the effects on the game, and 11 days (not even two weeks since the change) is not enough time to do this.
Are you guys trying to get General fixed? It's really annoying with all the movie spammers ._.
I don't care if the chat comes back or not, as I do not play this game. I am bothered by the way that this was brought about. Things often get worse before they get better, and if speaking one's mind is what will get it to that point, then so be it. Because not commenting on it is no different than saying something.
I point out things as I see them. If it comes off as pointing fingers then that's not entirely my problem.
This "test", and an unannounced one at that, is pretty much treating the people here like lab mice. If the human factor is important to the staff, then it's important to the members as well. And from this it does not look like there was a human factor or consideration put towards the community with this change. If there were, it would have been handled in a much different way.
This is "treat as you want to be treated" coming back full fold. As I've said before, giving word ahead of time would have softened the blow because then people would come on and at least SEE that there was some sort of interaction. But there wasn't and it's looking like more of a test where the people involved are no more than numbers on a board.
There is still a poll...I made it in fact, and voting is still open for opinions about general chat. Comments were locked though due to the fact that discussion is meant to be held here. If you'd like to vote, search 'General Chat Poll' (since I don't feel like fetching the link :P)
I agree with this kind, and I'm quite happy. The General Chat always were made to advertise RP's, not to chat. It is a good idea, less "lag", less spam, more time to read the phrases.
I quite have a good idea.. (Suggested by Devynex in-game) Why not a chat called "RP Advertisement" and other "Eternal" (to chat)? <--- quite a bad name, I know xD
But well... I think people who will blame are spammers.
Yeah, I realize this, but the other point is, General is just that, a General chat, you can't disable it because you have people talking on it like they did, very poor decision on their part. Too bad they can't just make another channel, that'd fix a lot of problems.I agree with this kind, and I'm quite happy. The General Chat always were made to advertise RP's, not to chat. It is a good idea, less "lag", less spam, more time to read the phrases.
I quite have a good idea.. (Suggested by Devynex in-game) Why not a chat called "RP Advertisement" and other "Eternal" (to chat)? <--- quite a bad name, I know xD
But well... I think people who will blame are spammers.
Unfortunately, Raz and the staff weren't left with any coding for the game in order to make more chats. They're having to work with the game as it is.
We arn't getting general back. The staff doesn't seem to give a hoot about what we think. Might as well just stop talking about it.
If they didn't care enough to ask us our opinion when removing it, they aren't going to listen to us to get it back. Best thing to do is to get over it and rant in your diary instead. e.e
We arn't getting general back. The staff doesn't seem to give a hoot about what we think. Might as well just stop talking about it.If they didn't care enough to ask us our opinion when removing it, they aren't going to listen to us to get it back. Best thing to do is to get over it and rant in your diary instead. e.e
i dont think this is especially fair. they have kept this thread open past all the hate and steam theyre getting for this to see peoples reactions and how to handle it
I said what I said because it's been 42 pages of anger or sadness or "I'm leaving" Or arguing. 42. pages. That's 611 post, arguing or being mad or sad or quitting.I have been reading exactly those 42 pages, and you were one of those who were arguing and saying the game is going to die because of this decision. So I am guessing your going to continue bickering with the mods until one of you break? I have agreed with some of your posts and their some of your posts that I do not agree with. You kept saying the same thing that your role play is dying because of this. The only one who can keep it from dying is you. If you are not the leader of your rp and whatever reason that she or he refuses to recruit more members. Then you should really convince your leader to recruit or just leave the group and find another.
I will surely miss general.
Some people are shy to go up to people and say hi.
And as many people stated, the movie advertising is tough. Much less players will be bothered to click on every movie clip.
Trolls and spamming in general?
Hahaha, that happens in every chat, local, movie etc.
General was the main target of trolling, which was good.
Why?
If people do it in local, mods can't be everywhere to check out users.
On the other hand, in general mods could be there to warn users that spam.
Not everyone has the guts(or maybe the person is just lazy? xD) or knows how to report someone.
As for movies, I honestly don't think anyone cared when general was up about the movie spamming, but just simply turned them off. After all, from what I have noticed, the movies used to be mostly about people derping and dancing in them. Now, trolls can troll people much easier with the movies, as they only have to click a button multiple times to spam.
So, all in all i have to say that trolls and spammers are everywhere, not just general.
I didn't mean to be rude or anything.
People need to tell their opinions.
It's not anger or sadness, well maybe some. But not all, some are just plainly telling their opinions xD(Most I believe)
Mhm, I agree with you Party except for one point.
In my opinion, I do believe it concerns people because it's the game they play.
I understand why general has been removed which is understandable, but what about the players that spend most of there time role-playing and have slower computers or laptops and the movies can't work properly because of the lag. I would know this from experience because I can't play movies properly. I think that with general removed, a new chat should be added, a chat just for advertisements. :-\ Well that is all I have to say.
purchase a higher RAM card (overclock)Not everyone can do this or afford to.
just shrink your Window size for FeralHeart.This should not have to be done. It doesn't display the same and it can mess with some peoples eyesight. A few members i have seen have mentioned that this causes 'ghosting' of the screen.
I said what I said because it's been 42 pages of anger or sadness or "I'm leaving" Or arguing. 42. pages. That's 611 post, arguing or being mad or sad or quitting.I have been reading exactly those 42 pages, and you were one of those who were arguing and saying the game is going to die because of this decision. So I am guessing your going to continue bickering with the mods until one of you break? I have agreed with some of your posts and their some of your posts that I do not agree with. You kept saying the same thing that your role play is dying because of this. The only one who can keep it from dying is you. If you are not the leader of your rp and whatever reason that she or he refuses to recruit more members. Then you should really convince your leader to recruit or just leave the group and find another.
I will surely miss general.
Some people are shy to go up to people and say hi.
And as many people stated, the movie advertising is tough. Much less players will be bothered to click on every movie clip.
Trolls and spamming in general?
Hahaha, that happens in every chat, local, movie etc.
General was the main target of trolling, which was good.
Why?
If people do it in local, mods can't be everywhere to check out users.
On the other hand, in general mods could be there to warn users that spam.
Not everyone has the guts(or maybe the person is just lazy? xD) or knows how to report someone.
As for movies, I honestly don't think anyone cared when general was up about the movie spamming, but just simply turned them off. After all, from what I have noticed, the movies used to be mostly about people derping and dancing in them. Now, trolls can troll people much easier with the movies, as they only have to click a button multiple times to spam.
So, all in all i have to say that trolls and spammers are everywhere, not just general.
I didn't mean to be rude or anything.
I do agree with your post but there is a little parts I do not agree with. I am one of those players who do not go up to others and say hi. I am also one of those players who do not care about reporting unless it is my business. However if you wish to make friends on here you have to break out of that silence unless you invite your real friends. Those who did not know how to report, how hard is it to ask someone how to report or get on the actual website for once?
People need to tell their opinions.
It's not anger or sadness, well maybe some. But not all, some are just plainly telling their opinions xD(Most I believe)
I am not saying keep your opinions to yourself. If you have your opinion then let it out so everyone can see how you feel about this.
Mhm, I agree with you Party except for one point.
In my opinion, I do believe it concerns people because it's the game they play.
I am glad some of you are actually taking my advise, that makes me a bit happy... I do not get what you are trying to say here though...
If you keep on top of your computers updates it should be able to run this game fine.
I really, REALLY don't support this decision. I mean, I tried to be open-minded about it, but... At the time you guys removed it I was just going to start a new rp, and now it's nearly impossible to effectively recruit. I used to be able to find four or five people within two-four hours, but now it's an all day effort.We understand where you're coming from, Longjump, but I don't think it's good for RPs to rely solely on General to advertise. I do know of other roleplays (some of my own friends, and also some who have posted here in this thread) who are still recruiting successfully, and they've done this by using different recruiting tactics.
Oh, believe me, I've been using Movies as a main source of advertising. And the thing about starting up an RP is that I am the ONLY member in it, I don't have anyone to send to other maps, and when I do, the results are usually the same as mine. As for recruiting hours on end, I would happily return to the map with only two or three people, but the problem is is that even that small of a number has become hard to reach. This is my main issue with General chat, is you could catch people's attention with it. Now it's just Movieclip movieclip movieclip movieclip Local argument that so and so is stealing members and making lag movie clip movieclip movieclip.
Oh, believe me, I've been using Movies as a main source of advertising. And the thing about starting up an RP is that I am the ONLY member in it, I don't have anyone to send to other maps, and when I do, the results are usually the same as mine. As for recruiting hours on end, I would happily return to the map with only two or three people, but the problem is is that even that small of a number has become hard to reach. This is my main issue with General chat, is you could catch people's attention with it. Now it's just Movieclip movieclip movieclip movieclip Local argument that so and so is stealing members and making lag movie clip movieclip movieclip.
If you are the only member that is where you first went wrong. In order to have a group you need a few friends to be active RPers and helpers in your RP. Whisper some of your friends and ask if they are interested. Without the extra backbone for the RP it just won't wok out no matter how much you advertise.
This doesn't mean remove General all together, to be honest, when General was open as a channel, I saw plenty of people posting movies to advertise, the thing was that both General and Movies stood out from each other. As of right now, Movie spam does nothing but make half of us lag out of the game and it isn't really accomplishing anything, yes, it's still a way to advertise. But it definitely does not do as good of a job as General did, mods should have consulted with the community before doing something so hasty.I really, REALLY don't support this decision. I mean, I tried to be open-minded about it, but... At the time you guys removed it I was just going to start a new rp, and now it's nearly impossible to effectively recruit. I used to be able to find four or five people within two-four hours, but now it's an all day effort.We understand where you're coming from, Longjump, but I don't think it's good for RPs to rely solely on General to advertise. I do know of other roleplays (some of my own friends, and also some who have posted here in this thread) who are still recruiting successfully, and they've done this by using different recruiting tactics.
For one thing, I suggest utilizing movie clips every now and then, while also even sending out your current members into different public maps (especially hotspots like SP or the clumps of activity in Ficho) so you can spread word about your RP across FH. And then, of course, your current members can send any RP samples, etc., to you so you can give it the yes or no.
And also, you said you were recruiting for hours on end? O.O
I've found in the experience I had in my two year-old wolf RP that you don't want to recruit for more than an hour, or an hour and a half, maximum. When you do any more than this, any new members you might've had will get bored while sitting around for hours, and won't even get the chance to RP before they have to go to bed, or lose interest altogether. I'd suggest recruiting at least 2 or 3 new members (or until you've reached an hour of recruiting), and then going to your map/RP spot and roleplaying together for a while, this way your new members will get to know your group, get into the story, and want to come back. Always keep them interested, and they'll always want to come back. :3 "Keep the show going," if you will.
Those are just some tidbits, but it's still very possible to keep your RPs going, and started. I hope yours picks up, too. c:
Oh, believe me, I've been using Movies as a main source of advertising. And the thing about starting up an RP is that I am the ONLY member in it, I don't have anyone to send to other maps, and when I do, the results are usually the same as mine. As for recruiting hours on end, I would happily return to the map with only two or three people, but the problem is is that even that small of a number has become hard to reach. This is my main issue with General chat, is you could catch people's attention with it. Now it's just Movieclip movieclip movieclip movieclip Local argument that so and so is stealing members and making lag movie clip movieclip movieclip.
If you are the only member that is where you first went wrong. In order to have a group you need a few friends to be active RPers and helpers in your RP. Whisper some of your friends and ask if they are interested. Without the extra backbone for the RP it just won't wok out no matter how much you advertise.
Most of my friends, despite being active, have their own roleplays to tend to, the others either aren't active at all, or simply had no interest in the type of rp I'm starting. The point is: If I can't make my ad stand out, and it's constantly being spammed away from the chat, no one is ever going to see it. In general people used beautiful group titles to catch attention, or they cracked jokes, or parodied songs, but now it's just movieclip, and unless you have a spectacular Username, then goodluck catching someone's eye.
Doesn't anyone feel that this whole thing is getting a bit excessive..? I mean, not to be hypocritical here, but going on for 47 pages, sharing the same, what, four or five ideas about a topic that's probably not going to be resolved the way you'd like it to be is kind of being a bit melodramatic. That is, in my own opinion, anyway. .-.
I'd think it's about time for everyone to just get a grip, suck it up and move on. It's a chat, for goodness sake. It's not like it's a whole map or a character model, right?
In a personal opinion, Im happy to see General Chat go, Though yes, I was I frequent wanderer In the "General Chat" and I also used it to advertise in I timely manner, I was quite sick of the Offensive, Unneeded, Horrible Comments/Ways that the chat option. For example; Spamming, Trolling, some form of Offensive Language, or calling some one a name and/or hurting some ones feelings. Also Cuzzing/Swearing, Inappropriate content that my younger siblings/Family/Friends would not wanna see. So in my Option, Im happy to see that Chat Box go.
why are some of you guys arguing? this is how it's going to have to be from now on. Deal with it. The mods decided that and they won't change it. At least there is less drama.
Find good in every bad.
And thanks for the effort mods :) . It did change the game a bit.
I believe this is a wonderful idea!, But I have something that I wish would to be replaced in General's death. An Advertisement chat. ONLY Avalable to those looking for a group, or group leaders. I'm sure others have asked for this, But I believe this is the perfect opritunity for it.
Yet, guys, a lot of people actually came on just for the General. Some of them might be in depression and they just wanted to talk in the lovely green chat of ours. But it's not ours anymore, it has been taken away.
Look, it's not our fault it's gone, it's because of the spammers, trollers, terrible people, and of course, annoying idiots. But even though I was a huge supporter of General, I learned that it's time to move on.
But yet, the roleplay advertisers did nothing to deserve this...
They'll just troll and be rude in local.
You disposed of the most beneficial chat in-game without even consulting the community, who was more than deserving of being notified of the change before it was carried out, and sent it into a boiling rage.It's understandable for anyone not to like change, Dub. However, the problem with your GIF image (where does one find that, anyway? o-o) is that we're not "kicking you guys in the face" just for the giggles. If we didn't care, we wouldn't have bothered to do anything with the server, would we not? And, you noted how people went off in a rage about General being removed. Do you think it would have been any better received if we'd consulted the community beforehand? Most would have assumed it was a terrible idea right off the bat, without looking at the possible long-term effects of its removal.
It almost feels as if the loss of General is starting these server issues.While that would be a fair assumption, I have to disagree with that one.
I have NEVER had an issue with the game until the loss of General happened. Suddenly, the game is unstable, the servers aren't working, there's chat lag, movie spam, bad tokens.
I would want to say that if we tried returning general, and if the mods did not mess with the codes to make this theory "wrong", if we returned it, would the game start working properly like it was again?
Or are we going to blame it on something else?
Just food for thought.
May I just...butt in and say something real quick....
It seems that all the problems with the servers, the maps, and the lag have started up as soon as general chat was removed. I'm not sure if this is just a freaking coincidence, but I highly doubt it. Perhaps it due to the fact that so many people are now using only one chat to speak on, or all the movie spam. Not sure which. However, many of my friends have noticed that when you go into the plains, you lag to the point where it's so severe, that you cannot even move. I'm also crashing so much in the plains now, which has never happened to me before, and the sever is also online when this happens as well.
Does this have anything to do with general chat being removed? I'm not sure, and I cannot entirely prove that. However, it seems that all these problems I listed began as soon as it was gone, so perhaps it does need to come back after all...
It almost feels as if the loss of General is starting these server issues.While that would be a fair assumption, I have to disagree with that one.
I have NEVER had an issue with the game until the loss of General happened. Suddenly, the game is unstable, the servers aren't working, there's chat lag, movie spam, bad tokens.
I would want to say that if we tried returning general, and if the mods did not mess with the codes to make this theory "wrong", if we returned it, would the game start working properly like it was again?
Or are we going to blame it on something else?
Just food for thought.
The reason for the server issues lately is due to the fact that we suffered a double hard drive crash on the server several weeks ago (which the removal of a chat would not have done), and Raz has been working to fix it, though we have had some bumps along the way.
Geez....so much talking about members leaving. Really in all truth not many members have left Feral Heart. Now - indeed as the double server crashes and what not have come about members have lost track of when the game is actually working so they don't know when to get online; but if you stay on the forums basically all day like I do you will notice the numbers rising and falling as time passing. When I first joined feral heart about 2 yours ago there were somewhere in the 1,000 of members; though the recent crashes have caused some members to stop playing as much; though on days when the server isn't crashing as much over 900 members are online. It doesn't matter if General is gone or not; most of the members still get online when they know the game is working at least some what decent. Where is everyone's proof that members have left? Have you actually had friends say that they are giving up on FH because the chat was removed and then they deleted their account of actually stopped getting online? Now if you did then okay; very well - I am not saying that people have left. But there are still 1,000+ members within the Feral Heart community....
Whether they get online everyday or only a few days of the week...they are still there...
~Gircutie
As far as I am concerned: It is pointless to continue this on and on when there are more important things that need to be attended to.
~Gircutie
As far as I am concerned: It is pointless to continue this on and on when there are more important things that need to be attended to.
~Gircutie
I hate to barge in after reading this, but I feel a need to point out that others may find this thread a place of relief and release. Many have come to let out their anger, express their opinions of this 'update', and others have come to express their joy and pleasure. I can assure you, to these people, this thread is not pointless. ^^
Keeping this thread open isn't stopping anyone from working on the crashes and other issues, no? It is merely a single thread among the whole of the forum. No mind needs to be paid to it to try and fix these recent problems.
I apologize if any of this response seems rude, as I didn't mean for it to be.
~ Canis
people, let the general rest finally, it's not good to bother dead, haven't you heared of it? also I think all the chatting it had, has moved in here
people, let the general rest finally, it's not good to bother dead, haven't you heared of it? also I think all the chatting it had, has moved in here
I'm sorry, what? Why are users being penalized for speaking out their opinion? If these users want to say something, they can and they should not be told to 'stop bothering the dead'. If opinions weren't wanted on this whatsoever, the thread would have been locked before any comments were even made on it. I personally don't mind the removal of general, but it does really annoy me that so many people are penalizing those who are simply speaking their opinion.
sooowy, for me this is just one, big, crying thread. And I don't say "go away now kids!" I mean that this is so damn funny. And since you have "rights" to post your opinion here, I also have. 53 pages? really? I don't say that you can't and stuff but just lol. people don't cry real dead for so long
I understand your point of view, F a t a l; but just as you are annoyed by people being penalized; other people are getting annoyed by others not agreeing with them and then posting some over blown post and raging over their opinion... It's not that we don't want the opinions to continue - its that everyone is repeating themselves and some people are raging and going off just because of a few simple opinions that other people give...I am pretty sure that everyone understands how each other feel; but isn't it time we let it go and wait to see what the staff decide to do?
But when you reply to a comment, you should be ready for rude responce, (ecpecially when you're also not being nice at all) even though I didn't find my reply really that bad... oh, nevermind.
sooowy, for me this is just one, big, crying thread. And I don't say "go away now kids!" I mean that this is so damn funny. And since you have "rights" to post your opinion here, I also have. 53 pages? really? I don't say that you can't and stuff but just lol. people don't cry real dead for so longThat's not true. I have family members who are still highly, highly sensitive to the loss of a family member that died in 2008. And there are some family friends who died in a car accident that my father gets emotional over since they were like extended family. I managed to buck up and move on after their deaths but...not everyone did.
General chat - dead = arguing, rage, little kids crying behind their screen.^^ This guy is a genius xD
General chat - alive = same thing, just more annoying in-game.
Since you're comparing a game mechanic to a live, human being, which makes very little sense when you think about it even though it kinda fits with how people view it, you really have to think about the fact that people do react differently to things, no matter how pointless the subject may seem to you or others.
Okay I'm back once again, and this time here to voice my distaste for the matter. I recently tried to start up my role play, and advertise in the plains using the movie method. Well, that method in my opinion does not work well at all. My admin and I were sending out movie clips over and over for a solid forty five minutes before a single person became interested, and that is not an exaggeration. There are also so many movie clips playing all at once, and some are just for spam purposes as well, so I could see some people around me saying "-turns off movies-". If people become annoyed with movies and shut them off, how in the world are you supposed to grab their interest? General could get annoying as well when it came to spam, but it was much, much, MUCH more useful for advertising. You could actually fit everything in about your role play that you wanted to say. My members can't even fit everything about our role play in a single movie box. I just wish something would be done as a compromise, because this is getting rather ridiculous. Movies are being spammed now, and advertising is extremely difficult.
Also, I know someone is probably going to reply to me and say that I could always use the forums to advertise. Sure that's great, but it becomes difficult to actually run into to that person online in-game, as opposed to when you advertise in-game and have all your new players online at once.
I don't know why we have been left hanging so long without a single update, as this has been going for more than a month, and things seem to be going downhill. That is all I have to say :I
I am sorry to say, but... I have heard from Red himself that the mods don't even GLANCE at this thread anymore, so this is really all pointless. If you wish to state your opinions to a mod, your best bet is to do it in-game.(http://i1223.photobucket.com/albums/dd502/tearsoflemonade/tumblr_lmczbdp1eH1qkwd3wo1_500.gif)
Though, I kinda understand why the mods don't look here anymore... mostly because of the fighting and crap. ~Vio
It's the trolls fault not the staff. The staff did try to help improve our game. And i will keep checking back on this thread. To back floofs up, or just to hear the goss. But never mind, i don't think general will come back, no matter how much we try. Mods don't even glance at this anymore.I don't know where you guys are getting this idea, but as for myself I've been watching this thread for quite a while. In fact, I check it daily. Sometimes more, but it depends. It's been about two or three pages now that you guys have been saying, "Oh, mods don't even look here anymore!"
I've been stalking this thread and this is on for 2 months... In my opinion this should be locked.
Was General your life?
Why would a chat be your life?! If you people read the rules & understand why General was here, it wasn't removed. This is spammers & chatter's fause. You don't need to cry or the situation will be worst, makin' General never, but never come back.
Now, as for our decision regarding General, it does stand until further notice. However, it's only been a little over a month and a half since it was first taken down, and some users are still either in a tizzy over it, or are still figuring out how to adapt to the change. In the larger perspective, 3 years of the game being online with Gen versus a month and a half without is only a fractional amount of time, and not much to make a decision like this.
After all, it was a big decision to remove General, and it will take solid reasoning, time, and patience to even begin to turn the decision back.
In the larger perspective, 3 years of the game being online with Gen versus a month and a half without is only a fractional amount of time, and not much to make a decision like this.
Now, as for our decision regarding General, it does stand until further notice. However, it's only been a little over a month and a half since it was first taken down, and some users are still either in a tizzy over it, or are still figuring out how to adapt to the change. In the larger perspective, 3 years of the game being online with Gen versus a month and a half without is only a fractional amount of time, and not much to make a decision like this.
After all, it was a big decision to remove General, and it will take solid reasoning, time, and patience to even begin to turn the decision back.
Wait So I'm confused, I'm new to fh so is general chat like the local chat? The group chat? All of those chats?General chat was a light-green chat that could be viewed by anyone, anywhere on a map. If you download a private map, you can still use it in those private maps to see what I mean.
Shame how so many sheeple here keep bleating and backing up this change simply because they want to stay on the mods' good side. Not everyone, but quite a few.
LOL, I'd totally type my opinion on the matter, but I'd most likely get banned for it... So I'll just be quiet and stalk around this thread. Shame how so many sheeple here keep bleating and backing up this change simply because they want to stay on the mods' good side. Not everyone, but quite a few.
I don't like this, man... not exactly the best of choices.
I mean, come on... think about it. People troll on local, too. In fact, there are more trolls OFF of General than there ever were ON General. The little sparkledogs buttswinging in your face, little trolls who cuss at you... there are trolls EVERYWHERE. Removing General will not solve the trolling issue.
Besides that, you people made this game for the community to enjoy, so I think you should listen to our opinions. There are now 62 pages, and most of the comments don't like this change. The majority of the community who have commented wants General back, so why not give it to them?
Though, I know, I know... I'm just the idiot Chosen who has absolutely no idea what he's talking about. .-.
The results with FeralHeart's role-playing no longer carries out what it's ambitions were and I am disappointed with the way Admins have run and carried out this game's performance without good thought. It is truly a shame that I cannot even criticize MODs because I can get a ban, and so will others if they dare speak up for themselves.
There's also another point I wish to make... on General, you could see trolls, making moderating easier! With General, you could just ban the trolls, because you know what they are doing. On local, if they aren't near you... you can't see them harassing other players, cussing, trolling, etc. On General, you could.
With this change, more trolls can now get away with trolling and cussing, breaking the rules, etc. Because... the mods can't see them if they aren't NEAR them. Sure, there's a report option... but how many people ACTUALLY use it? Not very many, so the trolls and rule breakers get away with murder with no penalty. (Not literally murder... you know what I mean.)
So... I think you guys should consider that not only does General help the community, but it also helps rat out the trolls/spammers/rule breakers, etc., thus helping the mods.
I think General should come back, but that's just one opinion. .-.
The results with FeralHeart's role-playing no longer carries out what it's ambitions were and I am disappointed with the way Admins have run and carried out this game's performance without good thought. It is truly a shame that I cannot even criticize MODs because I can get a ban, and so will others if they dare speak up for themselves.
Most of what I needed to say to you Padgze is written up above. As for mods banning you for speaking up that's ridiculous. We don't ban people for speaking their mind but as a said above we do ask that you are respectful when you do so. Rule breaking & down right disrespect is ban worthy but not opinion sharing. If we just banned people for speaking their minds everyone who has posted in this thread would be banned. Don't be silly.
Now you also said "Admins have run and carried out this game's performance without good thought." I'm very disappointed with that statement because that is not true at all and it's very inconsiderate of you to state such a thing. We staff constantly work to make the mass of the user base happy, it's why we are always coming up with new ideas for contests & community events, etc. The choice to remove general was no different. We had plenty discussions together of it's pros & cons and ways to help everyone since we know plenty of the good users like the RPers had to make sacrafices as well as the people who used general respectfully to chat etc. We pay close attention to this thread even if we aren't always responding on here. None of your voices go unheard so please stop painting the staff out as cold & uncaring because we are not. We are trying to make everyone happy at our own expenses.
Actually, believe me or not, it is considered to be 'disrespectful' to the MODs and thus the MODs may ban that person for being disrespectful to a MOD - When the person wasn't even directly speaking to a MOD. Because of some opinions by some people would be offensive to a MOD if they heard it, their natural reaction is a simple ban. Some people have experienced this issue and I assure you that this is the way it is these days. Even though the feedback and opinion would be negative, it is a sad fact that no matter how hard they try not to offend or disrespect a MOD about it, they will likely be banned anyway. So to say, if you were in Ghost-mode running around the Plains and saw two people communicating with each other, minding their own business, but then talk about MODs and talk about anything about them, but more specifically if they were talking about them in a negative way sharing their opinions and agreeing with each other. If they were giving negative opinions about you, would you ban them? Because that is what it usually is. This major experience played a while back when Red RaVage was mistaken to be 'trolling' and when any member began to criticize the MOD for banning one of their members for absolutely no reason, they too would be banned, because they were disagreeing with their actions. I won't really name any names.
- Discussion on Bans and Reports
You are prohibited to make a thread or mention in a post about being kicked and/or banned from ingame or on the forum. If you were kicked and/or banned, then it was for a reason. If you have a question about it, however, then you are referred to a moderator or an admin. As for reports, do not go and make a thread reporting a user. When you are reporting somebody, you are to send a private message to a moderator of an admin for them to handle it. Any threads discussing a kick/ban or reporting a user will be deleted upon sight.
It should have been made public for the FeralHeart users to see if they would appreciate General chat as removed from the game. It is only a shame that it was announced of a planned removal by the time it was removed. Now looking back, you can see many players disagreeing that the removal was good.
Many more people will wake up and see that the removal was bad, even though they though it was good at first. Until they wake up, I do thoroughly advise to bring it back since the removal just does not work at all. You cannot keep everybody happy but by the looks of things now it seems you've kept a lot more people unhappy than happy now.
Let's also not make claims that the entire or most of the community are against the removal of general. None of you can prove that and not to mention there are quite the number of posts here that are made by the same user using multiple accounts. Those who are for the removal of general wouldn't have much reason or desire to write here so there really is no accurate way to see exactly how the entire community feels about this. So many of you need to stop throwing things around as if they are fact.
General chat was removed as an experiment and it has proven to work for the greater good of this game regardless of the few inconveniences it has caused.for some users. In time users will realize the benefits but while some continue to complain about what was in the past they will never see forward and work with something new and therefore progress will be slow.
Let's also not make claims that the entire or most of the community are against the removal of general. None of you can prove that and not to mention there are quite the number of posts here that are made by the same user using multiple accounts. Those who are for the removal of general wouldn't have much reason or desire to write here so there really is no accurate way to see exactly how the entire community feels about this. So many of you need to stop throwing things around as if they are fact.
Hey, hey guys. You seriously need to cool it. Look if you don't like this topic, Lock it.
It's true that not every opinion is in this thread. Still, it should be a bit staggering that there is a lot of negative feedback and dissatisfied players expressing their opinion. What would be really useful to count the numbers is a poll in the announcements for all to see. Since this topic is still going strong, and accusations are being thrown around, shouldn't it be given a try? (I'm aware that a poll was present in the Game Discussion thread a while ago, but it never received many views.)
I completely support the idea of a poll. It makes me sad to see the few polls that pop up locked, 'cause if you really want proof over if the majority likes or hates the change, you'd need a poll, because it's impossible to seek out and ask each user individually.
Ok then. I have a question. There is still an option for general chat(I think). What happens if you type in that? Cos if you see bereghosts video on him playing FH with his kids on episode 3, you may notice at some point he types in the general chat. The video was made this year.
LordSuragaha.. you are telling people not to 'make claims', correct? But, aren't YOU doing the same thing yourself? You are 'making claims' that it is NOT the majority of FH that wants General back, although you can clearly see how many people want it.
Let's also not make claims that the entire or most of the community are against the removal of general. None of you can prove that and not to mention there are quite the number of posts here that are made by the same user using multiple accounts. Those who are for the removal of general wouldn't have much reason or desire to write here so there really is no accurate way to see exactly how the entire community feels about this. So many of you need to stop throwing things around as if they are fact.
There are now 62 pages, and most of the comments don't like this change. The majority of the community who have commented wants General back, so why not give it to them?
You are also making claims that General chat has benefited FH, and continue to argue that point. You make your claim that General's removal has caused mostly benefits. Yet, when we 'make claims' that most of the people here want Gen-gen back, you tell us to stop making claims. Or, when we say that the removal was bad, you still tell us that.
The choice to remove general was no different. We had plenty discussions together of it's pros & cons and ways to help everyone since we know plenty of the good users like the RPers had to make sacrafices as well as the people who used general respectfully to chat etc.
Well I can see a major plus side to this such as the points Delay made but I have some concerns when it comes to the RPers not being able to advertise to the masses in gen anymore. Removing the general chat seems a major killing point especially since this game's genre is focused although not solely but mainly on RP. It's bad enough that it's hard to find good RPs or get users to join your own these days. Sure RP groups can continue advertising by using the movie clips but it's not the same as simply reading an RP ad scrolling through Gen. If a user was looking to join an RP they'd have to now click the movie clips and it's like a random chance you'll see a movie clip that is advertising an RP they'd be interested in yet alone advertising a RP in general. Let's also not forget how fast the chats stream by... It was hard enough trying to read the ads in General chat but now imagine trying to clicking a one line movie clip in a speeding chat in a crowded map like Bonfire Island.
Another issue is advertising at landmarks as Raz suggested. There are already alot of users that bunch up at common land marks like the Stone Bridge & the Cape Portal... Imagine now how many additional individuals & groups will gather at these areas without Gen chat now. These users will now crowd and fuss over advertisement spots... Sure removing Gen kills a host of issues but now pop up a whole new bit of them.
It will be interesting to see how removing the general chat impacts the community but I don't think it's the best idea right now, however you have my support regardless. Sometimes changes are hard to accept at first but eventually we learn to live with them so I'm up for the test. Hopefully the rest of the community will be just as patient & understanding during this time. Positive constructive feedback is much appreciate & thank you both Delay & Raz for the update.
Well this was a suggestion and a number of people backed the idea.A number of what? 2? xD Again, as my... what, 3rd time stating this, REMOVING GENERAL WAS NOT THE BEST SOLUTION. I'm pretty sure that, now that you've removed General, Raz, the game's going down the drain. I hope there's a source code floating around when this game BOMBS badly, because that's what's going to happen if you continue making executive decisions like this without checking to see if it would affect us players, the soul of this very game... it revolves around US, not only you guys, the admins/mods... we're the ones that kept this game alive and friendly, you know, so it's about time that we got General back. It's the least you could do; the decision to "put down" General wasn't a terribly good one. I saw no need to remove General. Sure, mods and admins do their job, but so do the players by keeping it alive, and they want General back; I estimate approximately 84% of the players want back General. ROUGHLY. I'm not quite sure; there's a lot of protests of this debate. I, myself, am part of that 84%... Raz, now that you see how many protests their are against your removing of General chat, won't you consider re-adding it within the game? There honestly were no problems with it I could see; turn it off if you didn't want to see it, turn it back on when you did want to see it. Just LEARN to appreciate the player's wills, won't you, please? ~Yours truly, Quitting This Game if This "Test" Doesn't End
People should stop telling others to "stop complaining" or "cool it."
If you do not find an issue with the removal of General, that is fine. However, other people have different opinions from you. You are neither right nor wrong in your own opinion, but this thread is a place of discussion. Let people discuss.
Okay... I have something I wish to say here. LordSuragaha.. you are telling people not to 'make claims', correct? But, aren't YOU doing the same thing yourself? You are 'making claims' that it is NOT the majority of FH that wants General back, although you can clearly see how many people want it. You are also making claims that General chat has benefited FH, and continue to argue that point. You make your claim that General's removal has caused mostly benefits. Yet, when we 'make claims' that most of the people here want Gen-gen back, you tell us to stop making claims. Or, when we say that the removal was bad, you still tell us that. This is how I see it:
Pros- No more General trolling
No more mapwide spamming
No more bad topics that everyone can see.
CONS:
Harder to get Rp members.
Fighting.
Drama.
Fighting over members at Stone Bridge.
Can't meet as many new people without whispering random people who you have no idea whether they're friendly or not.
Rps are dying.
Many people now hate the mods and bash them.
64 pages of people who are very ticked off, and/or trying to stress that they want General back.
Can you PLEASE at least TRY to see the points the community is trying to make? The only things you are paying attention to is you and the other mods' point of view. You see what we are saying, but you are not truly LISTENING to our opinions. General has been gone for two months now, and you can see how annoyed people are with this.
I think it's time to just give General back. Honestly.
Look I know its meant for disscussion. But I do not think you were reading alot of this thread lately. Some floofies were turning on the MODs and someone said that a MOD was claiming without any evidence. Look here.
People should stop telling others to "stop complaining" or "cool it."
If you do not find an issue with the removal of General, that is fine. However, other people have different opinions from you. You are neither right nor wrong in your own opinion, but this thread is a place of discussion. Let people discuss.
Now I think we should worry about this CON here:
Less likely to catch rule-breakers.
Were are those rule-breakers? Everywhere! But whereabouts? Were MODs can't hear. Thats worrying in my opinion.
But how many are able to report? Not much. Well I don't think.
Suragaha.. you are stating that all you do is try to make the community happy... well, I am sorry if this sounds rude, but that, my friend, is a lie. That is not ALL you do. If it was true, then General wouldn't have been removed, or you would have given it back a month ago. You can CLEARLY see that most of the people WHO HAVE COMMENTED want General back. Yes, there are people who don't care, or they want to keep it. But face it. More people want it back. And as for saying that all we are doing is flaming and throwing 'tantrums', and not explaining why we want it back? That is also NOT true. Many people here have explained their reasons, just as I have. Almost everyone has explained their reasons, at least once or twice, but it is true that we are sounding like a broken record. You are not paying attention to what we are telling you, you are merely insulting us. You tell us to respect you, but you do not respect US. You yell at us for giving our opinions, and say we're just big babies throwing 'tantrums', or that we are 'ungrateful'. Well, guess what, Sura. We are NOT ungrateful. We are grateful for most of the things you mods do. We are grateful to have FH. But you know what we AREN'T grateful about? THIS. Why would we be?! And we are not grateful about the way you just put down our opinions, and treat us like we don't even really matter. You may see it differently, but that is what it feels like. We are telling you that WE WANT GENERAL, and MANY people HAVE explained WHY, but you are not actually LISTENING to what we say. If your claims about listening to us were true, we'd have General back by now. Yes, I KNOW it is just a chat, but it was IMPORTANT to many people. It is no longer just about the chat, it is about the fact that you won't LISTEN to the community. Oh, and do you know WHY a lot of these posts are the same person posting over and over? Because you haven't LISTENED the first time! You won't listen after just one post, so we post again! Really.. you should just give General back and be done with it.The fact that you are calling Sura a liar really concerns me, floof. If she didn't care, and wasn't looking for the best in this community, she wouldn't be a moderator today, and wouldn't have helped so many or given so many kind words to those on this forum, or even bothered to make the thousands of posts she has today.
Now, as for our decision regarding General, it does stand until further notice. However, it's only been a little over a month and a half since it was first taken down, and some users are still either in a tizzy over it, or are still figuring out how to adapt to the change. In the larger perspective, 3 years of the game being online with Gen versus a month and a half without is only a fractional amount of time, and not much to make a decision like this.
After all, it was a big decision to remove General, and it will take solid reasoning, time, and patience to even begin to turn the decision back.
We only ask that you continue to have patience. Our decision about our judgment period still stands, and we aren't going to leave you hanging when we do come to a final decision. But it's not that time just yet.
So while you wait, we ask that you don't feel bitter about this decision. I mean, you can live in-game like you've been put through some horrible oppression from some uncaring, unseen force, or you can recognize its true purpose was meant to be for the best, in the end. Just as well, you can join so many others and put General on the backburner, recall the good times made in the past for now, and continue playing, making friends, roleplaying, and enjoying yourself like so many still do.