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Well here we are guys right now its just me and you.
Those of you who know me know I'm not one for explaining myself.
But I guess a couple of notes are needed.
Those who disagree with moderator free October. You seem to be wildly over simplifying its operation. I'll give you a hint block != ban or even blockx9000 != ban.(important note != is not = for those unaware != means does not equal)
Also note moderator free October was preparation for the staffs departure.
As for lost characters. PLEASE in future check where your download is coming from. If it doesn't come directly off feral-heart.com I cannot be held responsible for its content. So if its some random mediafire link think twice before you download.
I wont restore your characters quite yet as it seems people are still loosing theirs. I'm not about to start some daily restore of lost characters. There are other more pressing matters to attend.
I'm also aware prior to the staffs departure, certainly in the staff room and possibly around the forum posts were blanked out. I will also have these restored in good time.
Sorry its so brief as you may imagine there's now a lot to do.
Raz
PS: THE SERVERS ARE NOT FOR SALE xD (I've suddenly had a lot of offers) (And yes there are more than one)
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What will happen to the Forum?
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It's still here? ??? It's just at present a little low on staffers.
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oh sweet its still happening
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I must ask, has any other game tried out having bot as a moderator? If so then I'd feel a bit calmer about this October thing, knowing it's not just throwing a robot in water and hoping it's waterproof.
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I must ask, has any other game tried out having bot as a moderator? If so then I'd feel a bit calmer about this October thing, knowing it's not just throwing a robot in water and hoping it's waterproof.
Yeah I agree with Gui.
I think the main problem with this was/is is that people don’t understand coding. They also don’t understand how the system works. So It is very important to say and explain everything that will happen in more “understandable” way? xD
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I'm trying to be very calm about this, but perhaps if you had explained it in the first place people wouldn't be so upset? You seem keen to blame us for over-reacting when you gave us barely any information. You seem downright mocking us for not understanding it when you didn't explain it. Here is your exact post.
(https://i.imgur.com/GG7YdG5.png)
There was no explanation. There is still no explanation.
Perhaps it's time to, well, suck it up about your supposed dislike for explaining things.
Also, I still believe this is an absolutely horrendous idea, and as I have no real evidence to go on to the contrary I will continue that opinion.
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I'm trying to be very calm about this, but perhaps if you had explained it in the first place people wouldn't be so upset? You seem keen to blame us for over-reacting when you gave us barely any information. You seem downright mocking us for not understanding it when you didn't explain it. Here is your exact post.
(https://i.imgur.com/GG7YdG5.png)
There was no explanation. There is still no explanation.
Perhaps it's time to, well, suck it up about your supposed dislike for explaining things.
Also, I still believe this is an absolutely horrendous idea, and as I have no real evidence to go on to the contrary I will continue that opinion.
This is what I agree with 100%, give us a reason for No Mod October... but in the first place..
Why would the mods have left in the first place? For what reason?
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You call it over-exaggeration. However, Razmirz, you have simply justified our reasons for "overreacting" so simply. Blocking members = a ban? Although a considerate move to cover up for the loss of Staff members, it is simply going to become an abused system.
Our main concern is the fact that you've now left the game in the open with self-moderation. You are abandoning the rules that were set from the very start of FeralHeart, and allowing people to swear and harass eachother without any consequences to be faced. For 31 days?! This is wrong and gives you no moral highground in your intention. There is a young generation amongst this community who do not need to be taught the cursed words and learn that they are allowed to insult vulnerable people in-game with no consequences to be faced. You WILL be held responsible should behaviour change amongst children, and for the worst, especially if they take said behaviour outside of the game and start giving people in real life a hard time too.
When you receive complaints from parents of these children, you cannot claim you won't be held responsible when you are the one who has announced that the playerbase is self-moderated.
You need to find new Staff, and fast.
Or better yet, fix your situation with the Staff that have left and bring back what made FeralHeart a wonderful game in the first place.
Dismount your pedestal and listen to the voices pleading for what is obviously the better for this game. The whole idea of games like this is to bring what the people want to the table. You have done nothing but turn a blind eye to what the people want and that is what is going to give you a great lack of support in the long run.
If October was preparation for the staff's departure, you should have done the best and most appropriate thing and immediately started a search for new Staff members to take their place. Replacement isn't always a bad thing so long as it is done to ensure the continuation and safety of members of a community.
Please, do the right thing and reconsider some of your decisions.
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Still scared. Still don't understand why.
I don't like this whole battle royale type of FH, now that it sounds like 1 block=ban, I most certainly won't be online throughout any of October. I'll stick around on the forums though. FH until the end!
I do want to apologize though for all of the extreme hate you're receiving. I don't think people should hate or bully you, you've kept the game running for a VERY long time. I may not like some of the choices you make, I may hate this choice, but I'm not going to attack the one who has paid to keep the server up. That's a dangerous move for me lol.
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Doesn't excuse how you treated Nynx, how you've treated each and every staff in the past that disagreed and vocally expressed said disagreement with you no matter how smidgen it was in the past.
I've always known you were a bad egg. It's why I've always cold-shouldered you when I, myself, was once a staffer long ago. Now, here you are, desperately saving face as if everything can be smoothed over so easily. As if we're dumb and ephereal.
Not working, pal. Fact is, it's got to be your way or the high way. No one here has a voice. Whether we like it or not, Moderator Free October is going to happen. The staff we're familiar with are never coming back, and while I of all people are definitely not on good terms with them, doesn't give me the right to laugh when something they hold dear is being taken from them like a bully taking their lunch money out back in the courtyard. Pathetic.
You've never cared for this community, Raz. Just admit it. You're a tired man and I feel no sympathy.
Let loose the dogs of war.
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If this was something over the registration, then why not set it for certain days of the week? Add a post with a list of the days for open registration and mention that the server may lag on those days. For example, have one weekend and one weekday to register for the game.
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If you say No Mod October is preparation for the staff's depareture then you must have foreseen the consequences of your decision. Does this mean you have your future plans for this game already listed out?
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If you say No Mod October is preparation for the staff's depareture then you must have foreseen the consequences of your decision. Does this mean you have your future plans for this game already listed out?
Agreed, just mentioned that myself on another server.
"Also note moderator free October was preparation for the staffs departure." Acting like this whole thing was planned kinda bothers me, did he intend to kick them off the team?
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Doesn't excuse how you treated Nynx, how you've treated each and every staff in the past that disagreed and vocally expressed said disagreement with you no matter how smidgen it was in the past.
I've always known you were a bad egg. It's why I've always cold-shouldered you when I, myself, was once a staffer long ago. Now, here you are, desperately saving face as if everything can be smoothed over so easily. As if we're dumb and ephereal.
Not working, pal. Fact is, it's got to be your way or the high way. No one here has a voice. Whether we like it or not, Moderator Free October is going to happen. The staff we're familiar with are never coming back, and while I of all people are definitely not on good terms with them, doesn't give me the right to laugh when something they hold dear is being taken from them like a bully taking their lunch money out back in the courtyard. Pathetic.
You've never cared for this community, Raz. Just admit it. You're a tired man and I feel no sympathy.
Let loose the dogs of war.
I personally was never involved with the staff, but I have to agree.
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what will you do if this does not work in the end?
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The block to ban is still ridiculous. What's stopping me from getting all my friends/group members to block someone I dislike for pettiness? That's ridiculous and I cant fathom why ANYONE thought this was a good idea at the get-go.
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Doesn't excuse how you treated Nynx, how you've treated each and every staff in the past that disagreed and vocally expressed said disagreement with you no matter how smidgen it was in the past.
I've always known you were a bad egg. It's why I've always cold-shouldered you when I, myself, was once a staffer long ago. Now, here you are, desperately saving face as if everything can be smoothed over so easily. As if we're dumb and ephereal.
Not working, pal. Fact is, it's got to be your way or the high way. No one here has a voice. Whether we like it or not, Moderator Free October is going to happen. The staff we're familiar with are never coming back, and while I of all people are definitely not on good terms with them, doesn't give me the right to laugh when something they hold dear is being taken from them like a bully taking their lunch money out back in the courtyard. Pathetic.
You've never cared for this community, Raz. Just admit it. You're a tired man and I feel no sympathy.
Let loose the dogs of war.
You call it over-exaggeration. However, Razmirz, you have simply justified our reasons for "overreacting" so simply. Blocking members = a ban? Although a considerate move to cover up for the loss of Staff members, it is simply going to become an abused system.
Our main concern is the fact that you've now left the game in the open with self-moderation. You are abandoning the rules that were set from the very start of FeralHeart, and allowing people to swear and harass eachother without any consequences to be faced. For 31 days?! This is wrong and gives you no moral highground in your intention. There is a young generation amongst this community who do not need to be taught the cursed words and learn that they are allowed to insult vulnerable people in-game with no consequences to be faced. You WILL be held responsible should behaviour change amongst children, and for the worst, especially if they take said behaviour outside of the game and start giving people in real life a hard time too.
When you receive complaints from parents of these children, you cannot claim you won't be held responsible when you are the one who has announced that the playerbase is self-moderated.
You need to find new Staff, and fast.
Or better yet, fix your situation with the Staff that have left and bring back what made FeralHeart a wonderful game in the first place.
Dismount your pedestal and listen to the voices pleading for what is obviously the better for this game. The whole idea of games like this is to bring what the people want to the table. You have done nothing but turn a blind eye to what the people want and that is what is going to give you a great lack of support in the long run.
If October was preparation for the staff's departure, you should have done the best and most appropriate thing and immediately started a search for new Staff members to take their place. Replacement isn't always a bad thing so long as it is done to ensure the continuation and safety of members of a community.
Please, do the right thing and reconsider some of your decisions.
Both of these two lovely posts I'll agree.
Point is, maps added in Feral-Heart must be exported through feral-heart and in order to work they must be created through Feral-heart. That meant the maps were made inside Fh and if they are absent it means someone has deleted them from their computer and there will be their character, not deleted unless the owner of the account deleted them, found in an empty black void. You don't even know your own game dude? Why are you even the owner?
Besides, you can't restore character or data or even get them deleted and the add-on maps without a source code and no I don't believe staff were going to give us something that could damage our gameplay because they always cared for the community unlike you and you are trying so hard to point fingers at them by trying to blame them. Let alone you're mistreating them just like any amateur so-called leader. Plenty of amazing mods had quit and you never seemed to care or put a stop to it as if you only wanted this game for yourself.
Plenty of mods showed discomfort and went against this idea, heck some expressed how they weren't even aware of it and you say "October Moderator was preparation for staffs departure" so you wanted to get to this point where your whole team leaves you so you can have full control of Feral-Heart without giving any more explanation? Think we're buying whatever you're selling?
You're trying to blame the previous mods for your own mistakes and not explaining yourself proves how tasteless and careless you are towards the community and your helpers. Also thank you for proving how much at fault you are for causing this uproar and our own concerns towards our childhood game's future are completely justified.
Have you ever heard of what a 'team' is? Apparently not because you're probably that obnoxious to never care of anyone's opinion. "There's a lot to do" there's always a lot to do yet you do absolutely nothing but stay behind the scenes without getting close to us unless there's a bug, this is the only time you decide to show up and that's always with a delay. Let's see what you can do alone, manage the members, the bugs, the bored community seeking for the daily events, new ideas, go on. Probably gonna rely on 'Moderator October' and after chaos spreads you're going to blame on the members for being immature and abusing their powers. Well, maybe they learnt how to do this from you.
I dunno what the previous Owner found in you and trusted you with the game, honestly. Just sad to see my childhood game dying thanks to a liar.
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https://youtu.be/KolfEhV-KiA
Hope you're happy with yourself but why not own up to it, now? Instead of running when things which you intentionally caused begin to backfire.
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The download link came from a Mediafire link on the official FeralHeart website, so is everyone half in the wrong? Because apparently that mediafire link is suddenly "Some random Mediafire link". You had the topic with the patch maps deleted, but you don't know it was ever there anymore? That Mediafire link came from the FH website. We are warning you that the "Block=ban" system is going to destroy the game, we're only trying to keep the game alive, and by still continuing with your destructive bot you are giving us the idea that you are done with the game, because you have not stated anything regarding your reputation with the game.
As a server master, you have to explain yourself way more often, because the unknown is how you're scaring people right now.
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This entire uproar was caused because things were not explained clearly. Nothing was written in black and white and it all seemed like one big grey patch in my, and probably many others, opinions. Everyone went into blind panic because in our minds 1 block = Whoops, looks like ye got banned.
In all honesty I'm still confused and I'm sure many other floofs are confused and afraid as well. When people are afraid they will lash out, the best thing you can do is explain and try and quell everyone's worries. Also the staff were in preparation of leaving? It seemed like they were forced to quit and moderator free October seemed like it was a trial that was going to go downhill very, very fast. It's why everyone was so outspoken and honestly it's why we still are.
If anything this still is confusing and sounds like a bad idea and I believe everyone is still fearful about how this is going to work. We don't have any details, so all we can go on is what we're understanding. If I'm understanding correctly, which I'm still probably not since I don't understand, 1 block = 1 ban or is it x block = 1 ban? How long is the ban? Is the ban for life or is the ban for 1 week? It's all so confusing and many of us are afraid that at this rate Feral Heart is going to crash and burn faster than a blazing building.
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Thank you for finally breaking the silence & saying something, Raz.
But this isn't going to fix it.
Your actions were ones that dissolved the staff team within a matter of a few days.
The way that you treated Nynx, especially? Inexcusable.
She has always done what she believes is right for the community & was always seen lending a helping hand & being pretty dang great at her job.
The fact that the entire staff team is now gone makes this much more personal.
We're angry. We have a right to be.
A lot of people aren't acting very civil right now, but it's in their nature when they've become hurt, shocked, angry or upset.
This isn't going to fix anything. To have a game, you need staff, simply put.
I've seen what happens to games where admins disappear, until there's none left. It's horrible. People forget there are basic rules, because there's no one to actually enforce them, & go insane.
You are almost never in the game, no? In fact, throughout all of my time here, I've not really ever seen you interact much with the community, besides the vague post here & there.
You had a wonderful staff team who poured their huge, pure hearts into this game & would be exceptionally friendly & outgoing with the playerbase.
You've never even managed to explain what is really happening with this system. If you get blocked once, do you get banned? What happens when people start to get targeted by groups of people & everyone blocks each other just to purposely get them banned? We all know that some members of FH are immature & the community has a few bad eggs--which is normal; they're young children & teens. But have you considered the faulty mechanisms everyone else has so clearly layed out in front of you?
You messed up. It's okay. It's human. We've all made mistakes, & we all will continue to make mistakes.
But, still going through with this system when about 99% of the playerbase has firmly said, "NO!" isn't a smart move.
Users are even up & leaving now--not just the staff, & I'm afraid that if things continue to be this way, I just might follow suit.
This became much more than just being upset at a new system when the staffers left.
Is your arrogance so mind-fogging that you can't see that this is still a bad idea? Reconsider.
I apologize if my post sounds at all condescending or angry... I am angry. I've tried to mask it the best I can by keeping my thoughts straightforward, but I've never been very good at hiding how I'm feeling.
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Thank you kindly for keeping us updated, Raz.
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I agree with everyone in the community.
Raz, you are being way too quick to blame everyone for "wildly over simplifying its operation" when you were the one who failed to properly explain this new system. A system I still disagree with. The original staff and rules were put in place for a reason, to keep things under control. While the community is made up with wonderful people, there are still those who will try to take advantage this situation. "Block != ban or even blockx9000 != ban", that's a crappy way to run things. Either someone will try to get everyone to gang up on a single innocent person, or someone who truly does need to be banned won't get enough blocks.
Also, what do you mean by "moderator free October was preparation for the staffs departure"? We've seen the other staff members explain that they had no knowledge of this new system. This just makes you sound like you were intentionally trying to drive away the other staff members. It's also doesn't help your case with the way you handled what happened with Nynx.
Speaking on Nynx, I think I speak for everyone when I say we highly doubt that she would give us something that would interfere with our game play or harm us in any way. Besides, she wasn't the one who removed the patch and had our characters deleted, you were.
Time to face it, Raz. The community is upset about the way things are being handled and you are the one to blame.
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-sigh- At least this is a little better explanation. I still don't like it but there's honestly nothing else we can do but follow you through with this Raz. I just hope you it works out in the end is all and that this whole thing was worth it.
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Thank you for the update. That is all.
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I'm tired, Raz.
Stop putting the blame on us.
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It'd be best if we all just hop off Raz's back, we don't know what's going on in his personal life, therefore just stop with all the hating. (Think about it you could push him to leave, and shut the game down/or worse) Raz, please try your best to get right back on track, I know you can fix it all and such. Also, forgive the mods if you must, we all deserve second chances, maybe more, maybe less. I know I'm probably gonna get blocked by half of this community but oh well. I spoke my opinion. If you don't like the way Feral Heart is going then get off the game and stop playing, no one is forcing you to play.
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Although I just arrived...
Thank you for the update.
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Thank you for the update, Raz. I agree with you that everyone over-reacted and oversimplified, myself included. I let myself get swept up in the riot-inciting that others were engaging in, which I regret. Not having staff yesterday honestly made FH feel the chillest and most relaxed it's been in a really long time.
I'd definitely appreciate a little more explanation as to how the block/ban process will work, but I trust it won't be super easy to manipulate, which is what I know myself and many others are probably fearing. I appreciate you giving us even this much, because I didn't expect it.
Before anyone decides to disagree with me about "over-reacting," please remember that over the course of 24 hours, people decided to incite riots in the names of staff members who weren't even entirely innocent in this entire ordeal. They threw a fit, and like a blind mob, you (and I, to some extent) followed. You guys made a Discord server that has essentially become a rant and rave server where you guys THINK you're going to somehow create your own game over the course of 72 hours. Go ahead and make a new game, then, if you want to defend a lame duck staff team's honor. I'm not saying that this entire situation is perfect, and I don't necessarily agree with the moves Raz has taken. But that sure as heck doesn't mean that the staff does not have their own faults, either. (Not all of the staff has been bad, though, I'll be clear. Several of them are reasonable human beings.) Either stay and test this out, or don't. It's that simple.
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Thank you for the update, Raz. I agree with you that everyone over-reacted and oversimplified, myself included. I let myself get swept up in the riot-inciting that others were engaging in, which I regret. Not having staff yesterday honestly made FH feel the chillest and most relaxed it's been in a really long time.
I'd definitely appreciate a little more explanation as to how the block/ban process will work, but I trust it won't be super easy to manipulate, which is what I know myself and many others are probably fearing. I appreciate you giving us even this much, because I didn't expect it.
Before anyone decides to disagree with me about "over-reacting," please remember that over the course of 24 hours, people decided to incite riots in the names of staff members who weren't even entirely innocent in this entire ordeal. They threw a fit, and like a blind mob, you (and I, to some extent) followed. You guys made a Discord server that has essentially become a rant and rave server where you guys THINK you're going to somehow create your own game over the course of 72 hours. Go ahead and make a new game, then, if you want to defend a lame duck staff team's honor. I'm not saying that this entire situation is perfect, and I don't necessarily agree with the moves Raz has taken. But that sure as heck doesn't mean that the staff does not have their own faults, either. (Not all of the staff has been bad, though, I'll be clear. Several of them are reasonable human beings.) Either stay and test this out, or don't. It's that simple.
Agreed.
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OOF, I'll also amend that I feel like, in the light of this most recent move and a lack of staff, it might be pertinent to put a warning up on the login site or somewhere new people can see it that some content might not be suitable for minors. Because. Well. As chill as I thought FeralHeart was last night for the public, there was definitely some immature and inappropriate stuff happening. It's true that I thought it was funny and enjoyed it, but I'm also not a minor. And I'd feel compelled to let younger players know that this kind of stuff is now going to be allowed. But that's it!
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You know. I appreciate you coming out with explanation, Raz. It really is.
Thank you for the update, Raz. I agree with you that everyone over-reacted and oversimplified, myself included. I let myself get swept up in the riot-inciting that others were engaging in, which I regret. Not having staff yesterday honestly made FH feel the chillest and most relaxed it's been in a really long time.
I'd definitely appreciate a little more explanation as to how the block/ban process will work, but I trust it won't be super easy to manipulate, which is what I know myself and many others are probably fearing. I appreciate you giving us even this much, because I didn't expect it.
Before anyone decides to disagree with me about "over-reacting," please remember that over the course of 24 hours, people decided to incite riots in the names of staff members who weren't even entirely innocent in this entire ordeal. They threw a fit, and like a blind mob, you (and I, to some extent) followed. You guys made a Discord server that has essentially become a rant and rave server where you guys THINK you're going to somehow create your own game over the course of 72 hours. Go ahead and make a new game, then, if you want to defend a lame duck staff team's honor. I'm not saying that this entire situation is perfect, and I don't necessarily agree with the moves Raz has taken. But that sure as heck doesn't mean that the staff does not have their own faults, either. (Not all of the staff has been bad, though, I'll be clear. Several of them are reasonable human beings.) Either stay and test this out, or don't. It's that simple.
I honestly had a big post for this. But ^^^ it's all been said here.
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I've played this game for years, when a map gets deleted while a characters is in it, the character gets dropped off in a black void. The character does not get deleted.
Raz, you deleted people's characters and are now trying to pass it off as a "glitch"
it was also not some "random mediafire link", it was a link released by staff of an update in progress.
You very specifically targeted people who were in those maps and deleted their characters.
lying about things and trying to pass off the blame is not going to make anything better, and is in fact ridiculously unprofessional. This is not how you run a game. This is not how you run anything.
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Now I remember why I left here in the first place.
Time for me to ske-fucking-daddle.
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Since Raz went into our personal accounts and deleted the chars that went in the patch notes. Doesn't anyone else see that as a clear violation of privacy?
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We went into patched maps that not only weren't sanctioned, but were also put up as a direct retaliation by the staff to Raz' move with ModFree October. You are also MORE THAN FREE to recreate those characters. It takes five minutes. I did it yesterday. So, considering we all decided to go into those maps out of spite and that Raz owns the server and what little bit of a title FH has, it might have been shitty, but it wasn't entirely unwarranted. If you're all that ticked off, like I said. You can go off and try to create your own game.
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None of my characters were deleted, not even the character I was in the map with. I was there to see the map server vanish, and after that, I hopped into other maps, and to this day I see none of my characters missing. I disagree with the whole "Targetting characters for deletion" thing.
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Since Raz went into our personal accounts and deleted the chars that went in the patch notes. Doesn't anyone else see that as a clear violation of privacy?
I don't think he went into your account, he just deleted the patch map, which, caused the chars that were in there to be deleted. I'm also sure he don't got time to go through all of our accounts, getting your password and deleting the chars himself. Plus you could always make a new one if you want. And you can always make a new char.
Don't take this the wrong way, I'm just saying.
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I strongly suspect you are not being honest.
Those who disagree with moderator free October. You seem to be wildly over simplifying its operation. I'll give you a hint block != ban or even blockx9000 != ban.(important note != is not = for those unaware != means does not equal)
Unless you are doing some kind of throttle check, that's the only other way it can work. But you know what would be easier? Implementing nothing, but getting people to block each other. Was that the real intention? You could have just said that, you know. I'm calling a bluff.
As for lost characters. PLEASE in future check where your download is coming from. If it doesn't come directly off feral-heart.com I cannot be held responsible for its content. So if its some random mediafire link think twice before you download.
Maps pretty much never contain no executable content and aren't used in a way to be executed. There is no attack surface. You probably know that. Characters are stored server-side anyways. Seems like only one person could be behind this.
I'm also aware prior to the staffs departure, certainly in the staff room and possibly around the forum posts were blanked out. I will also have these restored in good time.
I wonder what you mean by blanked out. Not deleted, no?
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If a map is deleted, the character will just be put into a black space.
Not entirely deleted from the account.
Also, why are you defending someone who has outright torn the community apart?
Anyway, the point is, people shouldn't HAVE to recreate their characters & bios & what-not.
It might be easy for you, but what about people who didn't save their color codes or bios, etc?
Also, the entire staff team is now gone... It's not shocking that people are upset, lol.
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Maybe because the name-calling is uncalled for? And I have my own reasons.
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The name-calling is uncalled for. I agree with that, 100%!
I'm even guilty for being a bit ruder than I honestly should be, but FH is basically my childhood so it's a bit of a sore spot for me. I'll take responsibility for that, though.
But people are allowed to be upset over what is happening, because it's not right: what is happening right now.
Telling them to "find another game?" Not that simple for many. FH is pretty unique!
I hope I haven't come across as mean to you, by the way! That's not my intention. Just a bit frustrated... I hate seeing the community this way.
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I didn't have the color codes for my characters saved. If you're not willing to put in the effort to just put stuff back up, then that's on you. The main reason the community is SO riled up is because staff, and their lackeys, have been adding fuel to a fire. Yes. The staff was insulted, and I understand that Raz is not a great administrator. I'm not actively defending him, I'm just saying, and HAVE been saying, that neither side is innocent here. Guys. This is a privately owned game. Raz' conduct is not great, but staff's? Theirs is equally petty. And now the entire community is fractured and it is what it is. From what I've seen, a lot of the toxic people and drama instigators have left with the staff. I could be totally wrong, but in my personal experience, that's what I'm seeing.
So either sit back and let this blow over, or leave. Again. It's that simple.
I know you're also not just directly addressing me, but a lot of people. I just kind of responded from my own personal standpoint because I know there's varying levels of dissent over this. And I don't think you're being mean! I do know that a lot of people are frustrated, myself included.
But people are letting that frustration get the better of them and they're overreacting instinctively.
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The name-calling is uncalled for. I agree with that, 100%!
I'm even guilty for being a bit ruder than I honestly should be, but FH is basically my childhood so it's a bit of a sore spot for me. I'll take responsibility for that, though.
But people are allowed to be upset over what is happening, because it's not right: what is happening right now.
Telling them to "find another game?" Not that simple for many. FH is pretty unique!
I hope I haven't come across as mean to you, by the way! That's not my intention. Just a bit frustrated... I hate seeing the community this way.
It's alright, I just think people should stop calling him names, because that often leads to harsher things like, shutting down the server or people could be telling him to go hurt himself for what he did, He could have personal issues back at his house, we don't actually know him, so we cannot judge him for the actions he did <3 I understand people are upset, I was upset but I'm coping with it.
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Hey, so, I really like how you implied that it's possible for a map obtained from a zip file with zero executables inside to delete someone's character. This is impossible.
Lesser known fact: Feral Heart was taken apart and datamined years ago. The hacking incident would not have been possible without it. This is almost as good as having the source code, and good enough to show with absolute certainty that it is impossible for Feral Heart, client or server, to run malicious scripts from entering a map, no matter what it contains. The only way to make FH capable of doing this is to edit the source code, which can only be done intentionally. It is impossible to accidentally edit Feral Heart's source code, because you would need to either replace the EXE or run software to intentionally inject a dll--neither of which is possible in this case.
In fact, the only way for these characters to have been deleted like this is for someone with access to the server--which, might I remind you, is just you and ONLY you--to go through and delete them all manually.
I know you want to rely on people not knowing about computers to say what you want, but it won't fly. People are not stupid. Your precious little game is falling apart.
And don't forget that some of us remember your history.
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I do appreciate you trying to continue on FH, Raz. But something still doesn't feel right ESPECIALLY about the FH patch. A lot of time and work went into those maps, and I don't think it was in your right to remove those maps from servers. It wasn't just the staff who was working on that project, part of the community was involved in making that patch. We only wanted to expand our world of FH that we all know and love. The game needs to grow!
I'm pretty sure I am not the only one here who would like an explanation about this. However, if you would like to contact me personally about this, given that I was involved in the patch project, you already have my Skype and I'm sure you can find me on DA.
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Thank you for the update, Raz. I agree with you that everyone over-reacted and oversimplified, myself included. I let myself get swept up in the riot-inciting that others were engaging in, which I regret. Not having staff yesterday honestly made FH feel the chillest and most relaxed it's been in a really long time.
I'd definitely appreciate a little more explanation as to how the block/ban process will work, but I trust it won't be super easy to manipulate, which is what I know myself and many others are probably fearing. I appreciate you giving us even this much, because I didn't expect it.
Before anyone decides to disagree with me about "over-reacting," please remember that over the course of 24 hours, people decided to incite riots in the names of staff members who weren't even entirely innocent in this entire ordeal. They threw a fit, and like a blind mob, you (and I, to some extent) followed. You guys made a Discord server that has essentially become a rant and rave server where you guys THINK you're going to somehow create your own game over the course of 72 hours. Go ahead and make a new game, then, if you want to defend a lame duck staff team's honor. I'm not saying that this entire situation is perfect, and I don't necessarily agree with the moves Raz has taken. But that sure as heck doesn't mean that the staff does not have their own faults, either. (Not all of the staff has been bad, though, I'll be clear. Several of them are reasonable human beings.) Either stay and test this out, or don't. It's that simple.
I actually will disagree with you about the overreacting portion of your post. Not everyone is innocent, no, but the whole thing starting with Raz’s post was poorly construed, and there was a MAJOR lack of communication. What I saw yesterday when staff was not around were people cursing, swearing, sending hate, and everything they could do because staff wasn’t around. If Raz has communicated with his staff, or even the community first before putting up this new system, I can assure you the situation would’ve gone a lot different. As much as we’ve exaggerated that we do not want this to happen, he still fails to listen to his community, but I guess that’s somehow okay? No matter his explanation, he went behind everyone’s backs and that is something I will not stand for.
He works for the game, not the community. It’s that simple.
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I feel more upset and frustrated than anything. This randomly happened and was not explained from the start. It came out of nowhere and my friends and I were left confused and upset. Not to mention people might be more aggressive when they have issues they are dealing with in life and Feral Heart is their means of escape. I personally am dealing with issues, and this was like icing on the cake. When you believe that your one happy place is about to get destroyed you would become angry. I know for certain I was angry and hoped Raz would step on a lego. Because legos are the most evil things in this universe, let's be honest.
Back on topic though, I have had time to calm down and think about things. I know I overreacted but I still am not pleased with how this is being handled. I feel like he is being dishonest about characters vanishing, but what are you going to do except remake your characters? If anything I'm just going to sit back, sip tea, play FH, and see where this goes. It was easy for me to remake my character who was lost, and I had a preset for 'em anyway. All I'm going to do is see if FH just dies from this, or if it can somehow pull in more members. *Shrugs* Either way I've had a good time here, and now it's just the waiting game.
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So what I am getting from this is that, no one gets an actual ban from being blocked by people. People will just block rule breakers, leasing the amount of people said rule breaker can interact with thus one meaning no one? Or We block someone and because we can't see them that means that are gone? While we all know the unblock trick is out there. We can't see their chat with it, but we can see them.
My next point. NEVER in my life of feralheart have I ever had my character deleted because of a user made map. Never have I had a user made map sever like this just not work. You want to sit here and play the blame game? You suck at coming up with lies, lets just go ahead a put that out there. If you spent less time being up your own anus and more time with your team and community you would know this is true.
You are too busy to give back the characters? Do I smell, whats that blackmail coming? Do you enjoy blackmailing children. Cause that is what I see is about to happen. "Oh want them back, then bend to my will and do as I please."
We all know the real reason the maps wont work and the characters are gone. You acted like a child, got mad someone went behind your back for once and got mad that the members of feralheart hate you and love the staff team more than you.
Well in any case we all know the real reason the creator of this game left. It wasn't to move on, it was cause your bitch ass always pulling shit like this.
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Thank you for the update, Raz. I agree with you that everyone over-reacted and oversimplified, myself included. I let myself get swept up in the riot-inciting that others were engaging in, which I regret. Not having staff yesterday honestly made FH feel the chillest and most relaxed it's been in a really long time.
I'd definitely appreciate a little more explanation as to how the block/ban process will work, but I trust it won't be super easy to manipulate, which is what I know myself and many others are probably fearing. I appreciate you giving us even this much, because I didn't expect it.
Before anyone decides to disagree with me about "over-reacting," please remember that over the course of 24 hours, people decided to incite riots in the names of staff members who weren't even entirely innocent in this entire ordeal. They threw a fit, and like a blind mob, you (and I, to some extent) followed. You guys made a Discord server that has essentially become a rant and rave server where you guys THINK you're going to somehow create your own game over the course of 72 hours. Go ahead and make a new game, then, if you want to defend a lame duck staff team's honor. I'm not saying that this entire situation is perfect, and I don't necessarily agree with the moves Raz has taken. But that sure as heck doesn't mean that the staff does not have their own faults, either. (Not all of the staff has been bad, though, I'll be clear. Several of them are reasonable human beings.) Either stay and test this out, or don't. It's that simple.
I agree with this.
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I actually will disagree with you about the overreacting portion of your post. Not everyone is innocent, no, but the whole thing starting with Raz’s post was poorly construed, and there was a MAJOR lack of communication. What I saw yesterday when staff was not around were people cursing, swearing, sending hate, and everything they could do because staff wasn’t around. If Raz has communicated with his staff, or even the community first before putting up this new system, I can assure you the situation would’ve gone a lot different. As much as we’ve exaggerated that we do not want this to happen, he still fails to listen to his community, but I guess that’s somehow okay? No matter his explanation, he went behind everyone’s backs and that is something I will not stand for.
He works for the game, not the community. It’s that simple.
I was actually online for a long time yesterday, and I saw people having fun. And if any hate was getting thrown around, it was at Raz. Which, you KNOW that if the staff had been online, they would have allowed it because it wasn't directed at them or their friends. Not all of the fun was mature, and yes, people were cursing. As I also mentioned in a later post, I do think that if that conduct is going to be free and rampant, the game should come with a warning then for minors or people who are easily offended.
All of this being said, again, I'm not defending what Raz has done. I don't agree with the fact he did this behind everyone's backs. But going behind HIS back and being equally petty? That's not really a way to behave either, especially when I refuse to believe that the staff or the community was dumb enough to think he wouldn't push back upon provocation.
A friend mentioned this to me, and I also did notice this. You guys DO realize that Raz came to the community about this policy change, right? He SAID in his post, that if enough people disagreed and didn't like it, that it would change. October's meant to be a test. All of this insanity has stemmed from people freaking out over it.
As I have said before, I will say it again. I don't condone Raz' behavior. But other than rationally trying to explain why we think something isn't a great idea and hoping he'll listen is literally all we can do. At least on FeralHeart. I'm willing to ride it out. If you're not, then you can join the massive rioting clusterfuck of a Discord hate server and try to make another game. FeralHeart is unique, yeah. And I understand that this sucks.
But rioting, calling everybody names, and throwing temper tantrums is going to get LITERALLY nothing done. It's throwing eggs at a brick wall.
It sucks. I know. But raging around like a toddler and screaming curse words AGAINST Raz like someone in massive red text did above, is not going to solve anything.
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I strongly suspect you are not being honest.
Those who disagree with moderator free October. You seem to be wildly over simplifying its operation. I'll give you a hint block != ban or even blockx9000 != ban.(important note != is not = for those unaware != means does not equal)
Unless you are doing some kind of throttle check, that's the only other way it can work. But you know what would be easier? Implementing nothing, but getting people to block each other. Was that the real intention? You could have just said that, you know. I'm calling a bluff.
As for lost characters. PLEASE in future check where your download is coming from. If it doesn't come directly off feral-heart.com I cannot be held responsible for its content. So if its some random mediafire link think twice before you download.
Maps pretty much never contain no executable content and aren't used in a way to be executed. There is no attack surface. You probably know that. Characters are stored server-side anyways. Seems like only one person could be behind this.
I'm also aware prior to the staffs departure, certainly in the staff room and possibly around the forum posts were blanked out. I will also have these restored in good time.
I wonder what you mean by blanked out. Not deleted, no?
Hey, so, I really like how you implied that it's possible for a map obtained from a zip file with zero executables inside to delete someone's character. This is impossible.
Lesser known fact: Feral Heart was taken apart and datamined years ago. The hacking incident would not have been possible without it. This is almost as good as having the source code, and good enough to show with absolute certainty that it is impossible for Feral Heart, client or server, to run malicious scripts from entering a map, no matter what it contains. The only way to make FH capable of doing this is to edit the source code, which can only be done intentionally. It is impossible to accidentally edit Feral Heart's source code, because you would need to either replace the EXE or run software to intentionally inject a dll--neither of which is possible in this case.
In fact, the only way for these characters to have been deleted like this is for someone with access to the server--which, might I remind you, is just you and ONLY you--to go through and delete them all manually.
I know you want to rely on people not knowing about computers to say what you want, but it won't fly. People are not stupid. Your precious little game is falling apart.
And don't forget that some of us remember your history.
I definitely see the merit in these two points regarding the maps and how FH maps actually work. How is this explained, Raz? I downloaded the maps, but did not implement it. Inside there were no executable files. It was just like any other map from any other member of the community. It was simply the equivalent of a privately made map released by people who, as of now, used to be staff. Regardless of them releasing it with or without your consent, the actual FILES and the maps themselves would not have been able to delete the characters.
Please, if you did something server-wise to those maps to cut them off from the public, including people who actually downloaded them, and a side-effect of that server-based cut off hid people's characters, then will you tell us if that truly is the case? By any normal standards of map making and the way maps work, characters being deleted would not have happened.
If you ended up accidentally causing a side-effect of hiding characters or deleting/making them inaccessible because of a specialized method of deleting maps that no member would be able to do, nor would be able to code into a normal FeralHeart map, but something that could be changed via server-based access, then could you please come out about it and tell us?
At this point owning up to any mistakes or explaining what's going on, what you did, or being more transparent will ultimately be better for everyone in this community going forward, INCLUDING you.
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I actually will disagree with you about the overreacting portion of your post. Not everyone is innocent, no, but the whole thing starting with Raz’s post was poorly construed, and there was a MAJOR lack of communication. What I saw yesterday when staff was not around were people cursing, swearing, sending hate, and everything they could do because staff wasn’t around. If Raz has communicated with his staff, or even the community first before putting up this new system, I can assure you the situation would’ve gone a lot different. As much as we’ve exaggerated that we do not want this to happen, he still fails to listen to his community, but I guess that’s somehow okay? No matter his explanation, he went behind everyone’s backs and that is something I will not stand for.
He works for the game, not the community. It’s that simple.
I was actually online for a long time yesterday, and I saw people having fun. And if any hate was getting thrown around, it was at Raz. Which, you KNOW that if the staff had been online, they would have allowed it because it wasn't directed at them or their friends. Not all of the fun was mature, and yes, people were cursing. As I also mentioned in a later post, I do think that if that conduct is going to be free and rampant, the game should come with a warning then for minors or people who are easily offended.
All of this being said, again, I'm not defending what Raz has done. I don't agree with the fact he did this behind everyone's backs. But going behind HIS back and being equally petty? That's not really a way to behave either, especially when I refuse to believe that the staff or the community was dumb enough to think he wouldn't push back upon provocation.
A friend mentioned this to me, and I also did notice this. You guys DO realize that Raz came to the community about this policy change, right? He SAID in his post, that if enough people disagreed and didn't like it, that it would change. October's meant to be a test. All of this insanity has stemmed from people freaking out over it.
As I have said before, I will say it again. I don't condone Raz' behavior. But other than rationally trying to explain why we think something isn't a great idea and hoping he'll listen is literally all we can do. At least on FeralHeart. I'm willing to ride it out. If you're not, then you can join the massive rioting clusterfuck of a Discord hate server and try to make another game. FeralHeart is unique, yeah. And I understand that this sucks.
But rioting, calling everybody names, and throwing temper tantrums is going to get LITERALLY nothing done. It's throwing eggs at a brick wall.
It sucks. I know. But raging around like a toddler and screaming curse words AGAINST Raz like someone in massive red text did above, is not going to solve anything.
I find this funny, because I know plenty of people who were on who weren’t even directing their spiel at Raz. They cursed just because staff wasn’t around to stop them. I can also sense a bit of bias in your post against staff in general, saying that they’d some how allow it if it was their friends. Which I can tell you right now is a bit of a fabrication.
Do you think the United States won independence from tyranny by sitting down and thinking “ah yes king george, we will trial test your idea of an unrelenting tax even though we don’t agree with it,” no. they dumped the tea in the harbor to make a statement, which is what most of the community is doing. Perhaps a select few have made things unbearable, as we tend to look at the select few who make the whole of us look bad.
Don’t forget that there were also people valiantly cheering Raz on for finally getting rid of the staff members, all because some people don’t like the rules and want to curse and act like children. The same can be said from either side. There’s ways to react, and there’s ways not to. Also, everyone has a right to rant about what they’re angry about.
You think staff hasn’t received backlash for years and years all because they were doing their job, and now when Raz goes against the community and the staff try and help the people lashing at them, Raz somehow gets praise for his endeavors. Not saying you are praising him, but I know other people have.
I do not agree with any of this as a community member. I want an admin who will listen to the whole of the community. Even if it is a trial, he should’ve asked the community first if they wanted it. It’s a democracy, not a tyranny. Making a choice that effects the entire game and community should have input from the community before even announcing anything.
I do not agree with people slandering Raz, but I believe Raz has a lot more apologies to dish out and a lot more explaining to do. Maybe he should listen to his community rather than doing as he so pleases. Doesn’t matter what he said about people deciding during the trial run, they don’t want it whatsoever. That = don’t do it.
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Thank you for the update, Raz. I agree with you that everyone over-reacted and oversimplified, myself included. I let myself get swept up in the riot-inciting that others were engaging in, which I regret. Not having staff yesterday honestly made FH feel the chillest and most relaxed it's been in a really long time.
I'd definitely appreciate a little more explanation as to how the block/ban process will work, but I trust it won't be super easy to manipulate, which is what I know myself and many others are probably fearing. I appreciate you giving us even this much, because I didn't expect it.
Before anyone decides to disagree with me about "over-reacting," please remember that over the course of 24 hours, people decided to incite riots in the names of staff members who weren't even entirely innocent in this entire ordeal. They threw a fit, and like a blind mob, you (and I, to some extent) followed. You guys made a Discord server that has essentially become a rant and rave server where you guys THINK you're going to somehow create your own game over the course of 72 hours. Go ahead and make a new game, then, if you want to defend a lame duck staff team's honor. I'm not saying that this entire situation is perfect, and I don't necessarily agree with the moves Raz has taken. But that sure as heck doesn't mean that the staff does not have their own faults, either. (Not all of the staff has been bad, though, I'll be clear. Several of them are reasonable human beings.) Either stay and test this out, or don't. It's that simple.
I agree with this.
Extremely cute! But it's all too easy to garner support of your opinion about something when you misrepresent it. 72 hour game? Solely rants and raves? El oh el. Lurk more, then you wouldn't need to strawman what's going on in that server to make all us meaniepoopheads who dislike the decision look like the bad guys. Do what Raz can't do: be honest.
Also extremely cute how pinching and poking the ego of Razmataz here seems to be unacceptable, petty bullying but calling the staff "lame ducks" and previously saying, what was it? They were running off with their lackeys and toxic drama instigators or something to that effect? Why, that's just peaches and cream. Look man, gimme some substantial evidence of what the staff did wrong that didn't come outta Raz's mouth and I'd be more inclined to believe staff are the bad guys here.
Everyone's said everything at this point (major props to those pointing out the material reality that the maps weren't malicious, you're doing God's work). But yeah, Raz is lying about what happened to your characters and the maps. He'd be a better liar if he was more engaged with the community and game he represents, but hey, that's how it goes when you're too busy sitting on your throne to play with the common people.
No, there is nothing we can do about Raz's new decisions, thanks for the constant reminder. But it's pretty lame to see people rolling over and being apologetic to a man who has done nothing but lie to us shamelessly through this whole debacle and make decisions that directly, negatively impact those who are essentially his co-workers without their knowledge or input. If the dude had communicated, handled this with his (now ex) staff, and was specific in what he was presenting us with, then maybe we'd listen. Maybe nobody woulda blown up. Oh, and maybe not having lied about "temporary" updates that became permanent features would help his case (cough cough general, cough security measure cough), but coulda shoulda woulda, right?
FH's going to die. Even if we'd all collectively kissed Raz's backside like he probably expected us to and this whole situation was both lax and chill, there'd be fallout from this decision. There already is with the chaos going on ingame. The only thing that makes this particular nail in the coffin unique is how people were willing to be critical and loud right from the get go. God only knows we can't influence this guy's decision. Raz's ideas are Raz's ideas. Doesn't mean any of us are obligated to like them or use kid gloves to handle this fully grown man ruling the roost all by himself. Anyone being especially cruel or saying he deserves death or whatever is an idiot, but somehow he'll survive the evil, evil mob of people merely dissenting. Funny thing is, though, we don't know if FH will, and not a single player will ever be responsible for that if it happens, especially if it happens because of his tremendous ego.
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I find this funny, because I know plenty of people who were on who weren’t even directing their spiel at Raz. They cursed just because staff wasn’t around to stop them. I can also sense a bit of bias in your post against staff in general, saying that they’d some how allow it if it was their friends. Which I can tell you right now is a bit of a fabrication.
Do you think the United States won independence from tyranny by sitting down and thinking “ah yes king george, we will trial test your idea of an unrelenting tax even though we don’t agree with it,” no. they dumped the tea in the harbor to make a statement, which is what most of the community is doing. Perhaps a select few have made things unbearable, as we tend to look at the select few who make the whole of us look bad.
Don’t forget that there were also people valiantly cheering Raz on for finally getting rid of the staff members, all because some people don’t like the rules and want to curse and act like children. The same can be said from either side. There’s ways to react, and there’s ways not to. Also, everyone has a right to rant about what they’re angry about.
You think staff hasn’t received backlash for years and years all because they were doing their job, and now when Raz goes against the community and the staff try and help the people lashing at them, Raz somehow gets praise for his endeavors. Not saying you are praising him, but I know other people have.
I do not agree with any of this as a community member. I want an admin who will listen to the whole of the community. Even if it is a trial, he should’ve asked the community first if they wanted it. It’s a democracy, not a tyranny. Making a choice that effects the entire game and community should have input from the community before even announcing anything.
I do not agree with people slandering Raz, but I believe Raz has a lot more apologies to dish out and a lot more explaining to do. Maybe he should listen to his community rather than doing as he so pleases. Doesn’t matter what he said about people deciding during the trial run, they don’t want it whatsoever. That = don’t do it.
First, please do not quote history at me. I am perfectly aware of how the American Revolution went down. And you know what the colonists did? They went and made their own country that WAS a democracy. All of that being said, this is not the United States of America or a federal government. This is a privately owned, FREE, MMORPG on the internet where people play furries. It was not a democracy to begin with.
Staff did receive backlash for doing their job. And I'm sorry when they've been righteous in their calls. As I also said, a few times, I don't think all of staff is bad. Several of them are good people who have made decent calls. But I've also seen them be INCREDIBLY biased. They're not perfect. And to blindly defend them, or to blindly defend Raz, is just further polarizing two sides.
No. I'm not praising Raz, and I don't condone those that are. But all because I'm not praising staff, either, does this suddenly mean we're on opposite sides of this issue?
Also, as a reminder. Before the colonists BEGAN a revolutionary war, they made a Declaration of Independence first. They tried to rationally explain to the King why they wanted sovereignty, in the wake of the Boston Massacre and the Boston Tea Party.
You want to feel like a revolutionary? Go form your own country. A new game.
But we're not on totally opposite sides of this issue. I want an explanation just as much as the next person, and I think Raz' actions have been over the top and shady. I'm ONLY saying that slamming him, while screaming about the staffs' complete and total innocence, is not the way to go. And that, yeah, people were cursing and being silly last night. But I didn't see anyone being outright malicious or cruel or mean, unless it was to shout about Raz. I could have missed things. I don't think that I did, and maybe things were different before I got online, but for the several hours that I was there, I didn't see people being unreasonable.
I saw people memeing and breaking rules that were enforced sporadically and arbitrarily.
I do think Raz needs a solid team of people around him to hold him accountable. But again. Screaming and demanding him to do so may not have much of an effect. He pays for these servers, we do not. That might suck, but it's the facts.
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I find this funny, because I know plenty of people who were on who weren’t even directing their spiel at Raz. They cursed just because staff wasn’t around to stop them. I can also sense a bit of bias in your post against staff in general, saying that they’d some how allow it if it was their friends. Which I can tell you right now is a bit of a fabrication.
Do you think the United States won independence from tyranny by sitting down and thinking “ah yes king george, we will trial test your idea of an unrelenting tax even though we don’t agree with it,” no. they dumped the tea in the harbor to make a statement, which is what most of the community is doing. Perhaps a select few have made things unbearable, as we tend to look at the select few who make the whole of us look bad.
Don’t forget that there were also people valiantly cheering Raz on for finally getting rid of the staff members, all because some people don’t like the rules and want to curse and act like children. The same can be said from either side. There’s ways to react, and there’s ways not to. Also, everyone has a right to rant about what they’re angry about.
You think staff hasn’t received backlash for years and years all because they were doing their job, and now when Raz goes against the community and the staff try and help the people lashing at them, Raz somehow gets praise for his endeavors. Not saying you are praising him, but I know other people have.
I do not agree with any of this as a community member. I want an admin who will listen to the whole of the community. Even if it is a trial, he should’ve asked the community first if they wanted it. It’s a democracy, not a tyranny. Making a choice that effects the entire game and community should have input from the community before even announcing anything.
I do not agree with people slandering Raz, but I believe Raz has a lot more apologies to dish out and a lot more explaining to do. Maybe he should listen to his community rather than doing as he so pleases. Doesn’t matter what he said about people deciding during the trial run, they don’t want it whatsoever. That = don’t do it.
First, please do not quote history at me. I am perfectly aware of how the American Revolution went down. And you know what the colonists did? They went and made their own country that WAS a democracy. All of that being said, this is not the United States of America or a federal government. This is a privately owned, FREE, MMORPG on the internet where people play furries. It was not a democracy to begin with.
Staff did receive backlash for doing their job. And I'm sorry when they've been righteous in their calls. As I also said, a few times, I don't think all of staff is bad. Several of them are good people who have made decent calls. But I've also seen them be INCREDIBLY biased. They're not perfect. And to blindly defend them, or to blindly defend Raz, is just further polarizing two sides.
No. I'm not praising Raz, and I don't condone those that are. But all because I'm not praising staff, either, does this suddenly mean we're on opposite sides of this issue?
Also, as a reminder. Before the colonists BEGAN a revolutionary war, they made a Declaration of Independence first. They tried to rationally explain to the King why they wanted sovereignty, in the wake of the Boston Massacre and the Boston Tea Party.
You want to feel like a revolutionary? Go form your own country. A new game.
But we're not on totally opposite sides of this issue. I want an explanation just as much as the next person, and I think Raz' actions have been over the top and shady. I'm ONLY saying that slamming him, while screaming about the staffs' complete and total innocence, is not the way to go. And that, yeah, people were cursing and being silly last night. But I didn't see anyone being outright malicious or cruel or mean, unless it was to shout about Raz. I could have missed things. I don't think that I did, and maybe things were different before I got online, but for the several hours that I was there, I didn't see people being unreasonable.
I saw people memeing and breaking rules that were enforced sporadically and arbitrarily.
I do think Raz needs a solid team of people around him to hold him accountable. But again. Screaming and demanding him to do so may not have much of an effect. He pays for these servers, we do not. That might suck, but it's the facts.
All I’m going to say to you is, because I do not feel like arguing with you about an issue so obviously stated.
Your argument is a fallacy. Forming a new game is not an answer if we don’t like it. If we don’t like it, we change it. We make changes based on what we want, and how we want it.
We don’t pay for the server, but I think you might forget that we are the reason the server stays open. Without us, there would be nothing. Keep that in mind.
I’m not trying to give you a history lesson, just speaking in terms of reference. Big difference. You have your opinions, I have mine. We both want the same thing, but two different opinions on how to handle it. If you truly believe Raz is going to put a bandaid on everyone’s boo boo, then feel free to believe that. He’s lied several times so far, removed Nynx from her position after she was trying to give the community what they wanted.
A lot of the community explained civilly that they didn’t want this trial to happen, and he still didn’t listen. Why? Because Raz wants to do what’s best in his mind, not what the community wants. Doing what he believes is best is not always a good thing.
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Extremely cute! But it's all too easy to garner support of your opinion about something when you misrepresent it. 72 hour game? Solely rants and raves? El oh el. Lurk more, then you wouldn't need to strawman what's going on in that server to make all us meaniepoopheads who dislike the decision look like the bad guys. Do what Raz can't do: be honest.
Also extremely cute how pinching and poking the ego of Razmataz here seems to be unacceptable, petty bullying but calling the staff "lame ducks" and previously saying, what was it? They were running off with their lackeys and toxic drama instigators or something to that effect? Why, that's just peaches and cream. Look man, gimme some substantial evidence of what the staff did wrong that didn't come outta Raz's mouth and I'd be more inclined to believe staff are the bad guys here.
Everyone's said everything at this point (major props to those pointing out the material reality that the maps weren't malicious, you're doing God's work). But yeah, Raz is lying about what happened to your characters and the maps. He'd be a better liar if he was more engaged with the community and game he represents, but hey, that's how it goes when you're too busy sitting on your throne to play with the common people.
No, there is nothing we can do about Raz's new decisions, thanks for the constant reminder. But it's pretty lame to see people rolling over and being apologetic to a man who has done nothing but lie to us shamelessly through this whole debacle and make decisions that directly, negatively impact those who are essentially his co-workers without their knowledge or input. If the dude had communicated, handled this with his (now ex) staff, and was specific in what he was presenting us with, then maybe we'd listen. Maybe nobody woulda blown up. Oh, and maybe not having lied about "temporary" updates that became permanent features would help his case (cough cough general, cough security measure cough), but coulda shoulda woulda, right?
FH's going to die. Even if we'd all collectively kissed Raz's backside like he probably expected us to and this whole situation was both lax and chill, there'd be fallout from this decision. There already is with the chaos going on ingame. The only thing that makes this particular nail in the coffin unique is how people were willing to be critical and loud right from the get go. God only knows we can't influence this guy's decision. Raz's ideas are Raz's ideas. Doesn't mean any of us are obligated to like them or use kid gloves to handle this fully grown man ruling the roost all by himself. Anyone being especially cruel or saying he deserves death or whatever is an idiot, but somehow he'll survive the evil, evil mob of people merely dissenting. Funny thing is, though, we don't know if FH will, and not a single player will ever be responsible for that if it happens, especially if it happens because of his tremendous ego.
I mean. It's been less than 72 hours, and I've seen multiple, multiple screenshots of the server. Sorry to offend and send you off the deep end of passive-aggressiveness.
I did call the staff "lame ducks" and accused them of being biased. But I'm also not personally slandering them or calling them horrendous names. I personally believe that several of them didn't do their jobs unilaterally, and that made them relatively biased and unstable as a whole. I'm not even repeating something that they did wrong "out of Raz's mouth". I've watched them ban people on a whim for accidentally cursing, while I got a warning and was told I would be banned for saying "fudge" in a context that wasn't cursing. I've seen staff sit back while roleplays allow explicit sexual content and triggering topics even though they were notified about the troublesome content. I'm not saying they didn't EVER do their jobs. I'm saying they're not perfect.
Raz is not perfect either. I personally don't think he's stable, and I feel like his behavior over this is deplorable. Hopefully you can read and see that I don't condone his actions. I'm just not going to call him a "bitch ass" or tell him to go kill himself, because that's not acceptable behavior either. You can rage all you want and continue to call me "cute" for speaking my mind. I just think cussing and further agitating the situation when it's been barely 48 hours isn't going to accomplish much.
Does the situation suck? Yeah, it totally does. Did the staff deserve to have something done behind their backs? No. But considering their immediate response to this was to incite riots and release patch maps behind Raz' back without consultation, I'm not sure they're entirely innocent in all this either. That's all I'm saying. If you guys want to go make your own game, then fine. Go do it. Throw the tantrum and leave.
Maybe FH will die, maybe it won't. Maybe Raz will pull the plug tomorrow and it'll all be for naught. It is what it is.
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You know, I feel people are slowly starting to kiss up to Raz so they can get that modding good good.
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I personally don't think so lolzcupcake. If anything I just think people are realizing that it's going to be what it's going to be, and there's no point in being angry anymore. It's just best to sit back and watch the show. I know I'm going to sit here and see if something amazing or horrible happens, and it's probably best we all just do the same. Let's all sit back and watch. I don't like how things are going, but hey, what can we really do honestly? Raz will do what Raz wants and there's nothing any of us can really do but watch and wait.
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I'm honestly with a few people. There is nothing we can do but wait and see what happens. We can't keep doing this, it's just going to lead to more trouble. I don't agree with what Raz is doing but until we see how it works well...
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No matter what hostility was shown in whatever FeralHeart-dedicated server, it should not and will not effect Razmirz and the work he must prioritise for FH's continuity and it is unlikely he will put into consideration what vile insults people throw at him. Raz certainly made a mistake and he is most definitely aware of how the community feels about his actions and decisions. However, what people must realise is that showing hostility towards someone isn't going to resolve anything.
Anyone who threatens or insults Razmirz with no point to be put across other than to try and degrade him of his choices, should most definitely be given the blind eye to. The only problem is knowing what is very down-to-earth criticism and what is just downright disrespect. I find it very mature of Razmirz to have chosen to not react to those given him empty, pointless threats that will not benefit them in the long-run, nor him.
Even in servers.
However, what should not be done is to point fingers at every server within discord and saying, "this is pathetic and just insulting Razmirz." I am even in FeralHeart Discord servers and have looked through what has been said - I have indeed seen some profanity and opinions I've had to disregard simply because it is only aimed at insulting Razmirz or the opinions of other members. But for the majority, it is people of this community who are only seeking answers to the questions they've already asked, but have not received a direct reply to from the person the question is aimed at. A lot of it is also discussion - people wondering, what on earth is going to happen next? There's no Staff and with the No Mod October event, is the community even going to remain active after presumed 31 days of self-moderation and free will to rule-break as they please?
People who have offered to 'remake FeralHeart', it simply will not work.
It will just turn out to be like another Impressive Title server, or the new FeralHeart will probably not be as successful while people are still trying to hold onto the hope of FeralHeart recovering from the event(s) taking place. I respect views on how people think it is wrong to try and remake the game, and simply support it for the fact that no one can duplicate the success and the love, family-like community that once was.
Whatever happened between the Staff and Razmirz, should and will stay between the Staff and Razmirz. Although it hurts the community to not be able to help in this aspect, the best we can do is keep our hopes up and bring up a positive attitude to convince people to stay and see how the river flows.
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Most of the Feralheart community and its community discord: We want answers! Give us answers or we will will make up our own then spread these lies to others! We shall rant, because most of us are so passionate about this community we want everyone to hear what we have to say even though only those that read our posts will hear our outcry! Raz, give us more information about what's going on.
My community, friends, and a few other people: Okay, you guys do what you want while we wait for official word and reliable information from the previous staff members or raz himself instead of coming up with conspiracy theories that'll end in more hatred and flame wars. By the way, do you people realize Raz will possibly not listen to people that aren't taking this calmly?
This is a post to point out how senseless some of you people are acting. If this keeps up, Feralheart isn't going to die "because of Raz" (you know who you are who said this), it will die from you people corrupting it from the inside out. On a side note, I'm sure Raz will continue to give us more information, even if all of it isn't truthful, as this catastrophe progresses so can you people please stop making this worse than it already is. If ANY of you try to make false claims against my post, because everything I say is the harsh truth, then you're adding onto this huge conniption fit people are throwing. Seriously, grow up people.
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Couldn't have said it better myself lol
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to Raz:
Give it up. If your plan is going that bad to where even your staff leave you. Consider leaving the game as it SHOULD BE. either that, or we call in the HK-Alliance of Italy to take the source code from you, as the rest of us nominate and inaugurate a leader who will actually RESPECT THE RANK of Game master.
Because you my dear, had so many people look up to you despite your silence. but really you came out with something more sinister than we thought.
This plan of yours is quite tyrannical. so please revert your plans and leave the game alone.
Good luck hiring the staff back and hope this would all blow over.
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This whole thing is giving me big DD vibes but worse.
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Thank you for the update, Raz. I agree with you that everyone over-reacted and oversimplified, myself included. I let myself get swept up in the riot-inciting that others were engaging in, which I regret. Not having staff yesterday honestly made FH feel the chillest and most relaxed it's been in a really long time.
I'd definitely appreciate a little more explanation as to how the block/ban process will work, but I trust it won't be super easy to manipulate, which is what I know myself and many others are probably fearing. I appreciate you giving us even this much, because I didn't expect it.
Before anyone decides to disagree with me about "over-reacting," please remember that over the course of 24 hours, people decided to incite riots in the names of staff members who weren't even entirely innocent in this entire ordeal. They threw a fit, and like a blind mob, you (and I, to some extent) followed. You guys made a Discord server that has essentially become a rant and rave server where you guys THINK you're going to somehow create your own game over the course of 72 hours. Go ahead and make a new game, then, if you want to defend a lame duck staff team's honor. I'm not saying that this entire situation is perfect, and I don't necessarily agree with the moves Raz has taken. But that sure as heck doesn't mean that the staff does not have their own faults, either. (Not all of the staff has been bad, though, I'll be clear. Several of them are reasonable human beings.) Either stay and test this out, or don't. It's that simple.
I will have to agree and disagree with you on a few things.
First of all, yes, I am one of the people who did call Raz names on my current post here; I don't agree with my behaviour but it was out of rage regardless yes it is not justified. What is justified however, is the outrage of every member that has been lied to, tricked, used and/or manipulated for this game cause of Raz's poor skills of leadership. Do you know how many people volunteered to help with the patch maps and then get denied the last minute because of Raz's irresponsibility? The whole 'looking for map and mesh makers' recruitment was up for a long while and I'm sure the mods can't take actions on this without Raz's approval. Every patch, update, addon by mods etc. must be reported to the game master first before taking action. And now he's trying to blame everything on the mods 'not every link given is Feral-Heart related' as if he wanted to say Nynx gave us something bad. Also no staff wanted to leave and obviously, Staff October was his own idea and he announced it without informing his team, hence why the staff left. This is why we're mad and it's justified.
Don't get me wrong, the discord was made for every feral-heart members to express discomfort and find out what has happened. There is no rant just spectating things of what happened, why it happened and how it happened. We're uncertain of what the ban system means because everyone has a different prespective on it and Raz's lack of careness to explain himself is making the situation even more complex. He was never there to get close to the community no matter what he was always 'busy' with God knows why. Yes he has a life, yes he has his own problems, I agree with you but he has a game to take care of and if he couldn't handle it he should've given it to someone who could manage it.
I don't disagree most of us take it to the limits but the rage to the purpose can be justified. So many were hurt, yes it's still immature to do and wrong but it's justified. Look how many people, most of the minors, are sad, hurt and angry one of their beloved childhood games is going to die possibly. The discord was not made to spread hate or call names but find a solution and work together as a community. Don't missjudge.
And since you co-operated to the riot you can't bash at people with the trap card 'make your own game then' game making is not an easy task for sure but to keep it alive you need teamwork. You need to be dedicated to the game because you will have a host server, yoou will be in charge of coding, approve or disapprove ideas, listen to every idea and every member, listen to complains, requests, reports, hire a team to help with unique models, animations, ideas, maps, mods etc. and yes it's not easy. But Raz doesn't seem to keep up with any of the requirments a game master has; he has to be everywhere including the game while he has his own life, he has to work on the game. He is only active on site and leaves one or two posts every now and then. A game master must be close to the community of their game to know what the base of people need to keep the game alive. It's not easy but even minors can understand that what Raz is doing right now is wrong and bashing at them with this is really wrong. And it comes from me, a really immature person.
Not all of the fun was mature, and yes, people were cursing. As I also mentioned in a later post, I do think that if that conduct is going to be free and rampant, the game should come with a warning then for minors or people who are easily offended.
Raz is not perfect either. I personally don't think he's stable, and I feel like his behavior over this is deplorable. Hopefully you can read and see that I don't condone his actions. I'm just not going to call him a "bitch ass" or tell him to go kill himself, because that's not acceptable behavior either. You can rage all you want and continue to call me "cute" for speaking my mind. I just think cussing and further agitating the situation when it's been barely 48 hours isn't going to accomplish much.
Also I think you are kind of wrong here. At this rate we can assume people who 'bash' at Raz on that discord joke too, there were plenty of memes created thanks to these unfortunate events and I'm sure nobody acctually wants to see Raz dead or vent on him or hate him. Yes we're mad but we're joking too. But you said not every humor has to be mature and people cuss but to joke. Then it's safe to say cussing at Raz and calling him a bitch ass or telling him to go kys is just a joke made from these old memes on facebook and it's just a mature/dark way of joking. You can't really bash at them since you said people can cuss and people have have an immature/mature way of fun, which is usually dark humor. There is no different in cussing, cussing is still cussing where's the fun in it?
Don't get me wrong but I find it kind of odd to say people that cuss are having an immature way of having fun but when they joke with cusses against Raz (like plenty of people called him a 'bitch boy' for fun) is wrong because he may did something wrong but we're the good people who must forgive and forget. If a certain way of cussing is a joke, it's a joke. If not then it was never a joke so you kind of confused me, sorry if I got it wrong.
Also, while I do agree plenty of staff were not doing the job they should, the current staff tried their best and got treated unfairly. This Mod october thing was decided by Raz behind their backs and their whole effort by merging their creativity and skills with the members went in vain because the maps were cancelled on the latest patch. Nobody is perfect. We know. But there's a fine line on making a mistake and doing this on purpose and Raz is doing the latter.
You know, I feel people are slowly starting to kiss up to Raz so they can get that modding good good.
What are you smoking exactly? Because I never knew having an objective opinion instead of an one-sided, close-minded one was kissing up to Raz.
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Razmirz.
People are trying to buy the server from you because they're AFRAID of what you will do to the server. So far, you've done nothing but cause everyone to feel anger, pain and distress, INCLUDING the staff!
People are skeptical about you, some feeling even more negative than that, and I will repeat as I said before; you DO NOT have many people on your side.
Also, Mod-Free October being a precursor to the staff's departure? Are you kidding me? None of us wanted the staff to leave, and THEY didn't want to go either! Had you listened to any of us, perhaps you would understand that??
Or hell, maybe you DO understand it and just don't care. Considering how lighthearted you're behaving about this entire incident, that seems most likely. And I have a feeling you haven't got the best intentions for FeralHeart's future, either...
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At this point, it appears that you have no love or anything for our community, Raz. While I see why you want to do a no-mod October in attempts to test out what you're doing, you seem to miss the fact that this just won't work. Self-moderating is bound to drive people into the ground. You're making people quit Feral Heart because they're scared just to get on and see what will happen with the trolls and others that have a huge hate for someone, and you say that one block or even nine thousand blocks won't ban you, but then how does it work, Raz? Truly, I'd like to know, as I'm sure other people here would like to know as well. And how do you know that it will work? The staff team should be formed to back it up in case it malfunctions or it burns out because what then? Everyone will be terrified Raz, and what will you have to say for yourself? "Oh, it appears I'll have to shut the servers down until I can solve this." You should have staff to be there. Not to handle everything yourself- and I also missed the fact where you suddenly became owner of the game in making these decisions.
The community is scared, and what are you going to do about it? Honestly, this is bound to cause a huge decline throughout the game with people either disagreeing and just refusing to get on Feral Heart to prove a point, or they're too scared- as I stated earlier. You act as if you don't take consideration into how the community responds to this news, Raz. You act like you don't care. And honestly? I'm beginning to believe in that. You deny the community what they want (mods, updates with the old maps included, and so much more) and continue acting as if it's nothing? Raz, I beg you to understand- the community needs staff. It needs a leader that can go along with them, help, and calm their frantic minds. They don't need a mod-free October. Without administrators or moderators, the community will end up eating itself from the inside out.
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You still haven't explained anything. I still don't understand what you're trying to implement. If you really want to keep this game alive, you're gonna have to get over yourself and start explaining. Communication is a very important thing, after all.
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Took me awhile to actually understand what you meant there. Came across a bit confusing. Regardless, I still think it's not a good idea.
My only question to you would be, why didn't you speak to the staff about it first? Why did you just post it saying that "this is what we're doing now YOLO" without consulting the other members of the team first? If you think it's such a good idea, why didn't you show it to the team and explain everything about it? Who knows, maybe they would've thought it was a good idea, and gave out suggestions as to how it could be better. If it truly wasn't a good idea, however, I'm sure the very clever minds of all of you could admit it and dispose of the concept.
Now if I am completely wrong about these things, then why don't you explain what happened and why?
I know you're not going to "explain yourself", but all we ask for is clarification, a clear picture of how and why.
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I know this probably could have been said already, but here it goes. i can't say much about the moderator free october thing because i'm just completely confused about it now. can you give more details on how the players moderating themselves would work? all i see is a few contradictions. also, this explanation was deeply disappointing for a number of reasons, but i'd like to focus on one.
a part of the game includes downloading things through random links, especially mediafire. this includes and is directed towards presets, markings, maps, and other such additions to the game that players want for personal customization and some are even required to deal with interacting with other players. going in to a "random mediafire link" or however you want to put it never would have been a direct cause of losing characters entirely. plus, the maps were linked on a seemingly more official post which was even linked on other sites, so it's more trustworthy than a random person trying to lure people in and get the best of them. it's just not the same. i'm not as mad because i had screenshotted my character and their rgb codes etc etc months ago, but you still carelessly caused things to be deleted such as: bios, group status, exact colors, traits, and much more that could have taken hours to combine and the same time or less to find and restore. i can not exactly say if you should be responsible for "cleaning it up" but it seems to be that you're throwing the blame on us for having our characters deleted without warning or explanation beforehand. and it's not just the characters, you're discouraging people for putting hard work in to making maps that the entire community wanted. i may be misinformed on this so correct me, but they weren't officially added, so why were they deleted anyways? why were our characters deleted? the maps were breaking no rules from what i've seen out of them.
second off, how could you prepare the staff for departure without notifying them? why do they need departure? (these aren't retorical questions.) staff are a huge part of holding multiplayer games together.
either way, i do hope this gets resolved or you at least see why your actions are not doing any good to the community.
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I can not believe you think lost characters isn't an important matter! people spend hours and time and effort in there characters and bios and your just brushing it of like it isn't important? Half the things in the game are downloaded off random sites and they work perfectly fine if you want to gain any trust back from the community then make it a prior concern and do something then do something about this stupid no mods matter.
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I can not believe you think lost characters isn't an important matter! people spend hours and time and effort in there characters and bios and your just brushing it of like it isn't important? ... make it a prior concern and do something then do something about this stupid no mods matter.
I wont restore your characters quite yet as it seems people are still loosing theirs. I'm not about to start some daily restore of lost characters.
He said he would eventually get around to doing it with the words "quite yet" so be patient. I'm aware you are angry, I would be as well if I lost something I spent a long time on, but for all we know he could be working on something more important than restoring characters.
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At this point, it appears that you have no love or anything for our community, Raz. While I see why you want to do a no-mod October in attempts to test out what you're doing, you seem to miss the fact that this just won't work. Self-moderating is bound to drive people into the ground. You're making people quit Feral Heart because they're scared just to get on and see what will happen with the trolls and others that have a huge hate for someone, and you say that one block or even nine thousand blocks won't ban you, but then how does it work, Raz? Truly, I'd like to know, as I'm sure other people here would like to know as well. And how do you know that it will work? The staff team should be formed to back it up in case it malfunctions or it burns out because what then? Everyone will be terrified Raz, and what will you have to say for yourself? "Oh, it appears I'll have to shut the servers down until I can solve this." You should have staff to be there. Not to handle everything yourself- and I also missed the fact where you suddenly became owner of the game in making these decisions.
The community is scared, and what are you going to do about it? Honestly, this is bound to cause a huge decline throughout the game with people either disagreeing and just refusing to get on Feral Heart to prove a point, or they're too scared- as I stated earlier. You act as if you don't take consideration into how the community responds to this news, Raz. You act like you don't care. And honestly? I'm beginning to believe in that. You deny the community what they want (mods, updates with the old maps included, and so much more) and continue acting as if it's nothing? Raz, I beg you to understand- the community needs staff. It needs a leader that can go along with them, help, and calm their frantic minds. They don't need a mod-free October. Without administrators or moderators, the community will end up eating itself from the inside out.
I know this probably could have been said already, but here it goes. i can't say much about the moderator free october thing because i'm just completely confused about it now. can you give more details on how the players moderating themselves would work? all i see is a few contradictions. also, this explanation was deeply disappointing for a number of reasons, but i'd like to focus on one.
a part of the game includes downloading things through random links, especially mediafire. this includes and is directed towards presets, markings, maps, and other such additions to the game that players want for personal customization and some are even required to deal with interacting with other players. going in to a "random mediafire link" or however you want to put it never would have been a direct cause of losing characters entirely. plus, the maps were linked on a seemingly more official post which was even linked on other sites, so it's more trustworthy than a random person trying to lure people in and get the best of them. it's just not the same. i'm not as mad because i had screenshotted my character and their rgb codes etc etc months ago, but you still carelessly caused things to be deleted such as: bios, group status, exact colors, traits, and much more that could have taken hours to combine and the same time or less to find and restore. i can not exactly say if you should be responsible for "cleaning it up" but it seems to be that you're throwing the blame on us for having our characters deleted without warning or explanation beforehand. and it's not just the characters, you're discouraging people for putting hard work in to making maps that the entire community wanted. i may be misinformed on this so correct me, but they weren't officially added, so why were they deleted anyways? why were our characters deleted? the maps were breaking no rules from what i've seen out of them.
second off, how could you prepare the staff for departure without notifying them? why do they need departure? (these aren't retorical questions.) staff are a huge part of holding multiplayer games together.
either way, i do hope this gets resolved or you at least see why your actions are not doing any good to the community.
to Raz:
Give it up. If your plan is going that bad to where even your staff leave you. Consider leaving the game as it SHOULD BE. either that, or we call in the HK-Alliance of Italy to take the source code from you, as the rest of us nominate and inaugurate a leader who will actually RESPECT THE RANK of Game master.
Because you my dear, had so many people look up to you despite your silence. but really you came out with something more sinister than we thought.
This plan of yours is quite tyrannical. so please revert your plans and leave the game alone.
Good luck hiring the staff back and hope this would all blow over.
I'm just quoting people who say it better than me at this point. I'm still refusing to log into the game, along with some friends.
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I can not believe you think lost characters isn't an important matter! people spend hours and time and effort in there characters and bios and your just brushing it of like it isn't important? ... make it a prior concern and do something then do something about this stupid no mods matter.
I wont restore your characters quite yet as it seems people are still loosing theirs. I'm not about to start some daily restore of lost characters.
He said he would eventually get around to doing it with the words "quite yet" so be patient. I'm aware you are angry, I would be as well if I lost something I spent a long time on, but for all we know he could be working on something more important than restoring characters.
I'm pretty sure Raz is the one who deleted the characters. Normally when a map is deleted or shut down, you just can't get into it or your character goes to a void. When that happens, it can still be recovered in the user panel. These characters are completely gone.
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I can not believe you think lost characters isn't an important matter! people spend hours and time and effort in there characters and bios and your just brushing it of like it isn't important? ... make it a prior concern and do something then do something about this stupid no mods matter.
Yeh exactly! i am pretty sure he was punishing people for going in the maps they where rejected fh maps also i didnt loose chracters i know people who did though its really unfair
I wont restore your characters quite yet as it seems people are still loosing theirs. I'm not about to start some daily restore of lost characters.
He said he would eventually get around to doing it with the words "quite yet" so be patient. I'm aware you are angry, I would be as well if I lost something I spent a long time on, but for all we know he could be working on something more important than restoring characters.
I'm pretty sure Raz is the one who deleted the characters. Normally when a map is deleted or shut down, you just can't get into it or your character goes to a void. When that happens, it can still be recovered in the user panel. These characters are completely gone.
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I was actually online for a long time yesterday, and I saw people having fun. And if any hate was getting thrown around, it was at Raz. Which, you KNOW that if the staff had been online, they would have allowed it because it wasn't directed at them or their friends. Not all of the fun was mature, and yes, people were cursing. As I also mentioned in a later post, I do think that if that conduct is going to be free and rampant, the game should come with a warning then for minors or people who are easily offended.
All of this being said, again, I'm not defending what Raz has done. I don't agree with the fact he did this behind everyone's backs. But going behind HIS back and being equally petty? That's not really a way to behave either, especially when I refuse to believe that the staff or the community was dumb enough to think he wouldn't push back upon provocation.
A friend mentioned this to me, and I also did notice this. You guys DO realize that Raz came to the community about this policy change, right? He SAID in his post, that if enough people disagreed and didn't like it, that it would change. October's meant to be a test. All of this insanity has stemmed from people freaking out over it.
As I have said before, I will say it again. I don't condone Raz' behavior. But other than rationally trying to explain why we think something isn't a great idea and hoping he'll listen is literally all we can do. At least on FeralHeart. I'm willing to ride it out. If you're not, then you can join the massive rioting clusterfuck of a Discord hate server and try to make another game. FeralHeart is unique, yeah. And I understand that this sucks.
But rioting, calling everybody names, and throwing temper tantrums is going to get LITERALLY nothing done. It's throwing eggs at a brick wall.
It sucks. I know. But raging around like a toddler and screaming curse words AGAINST Raz like someone in massive red text did above, is not going to solve anything.
As much as I didn't think some of the staff were right to have their positions, and believe me when I say, I have had personal beef with a few of them over the years.
However, I am actually defending them IN THE SENSE OF WHAT RAZ IS DOING IS WRONG!
"You guys DO realize that Raz came to the community about this policy change, right? He SAID in his post, that if enough people disagreed and didn't like it, that it would change." No. He came to the community and told us he was doing it. He gave us, what, a week warning? He would be doing this whether or not we agree or disagree. And you know what, if you understood a bit as to who Raz is, you would know that it wouldn't matter if people didn't like Mod Free October, he would have kept it regardless.
You want to blame the staff before this incident for not being fair or right for their title?
This has NOTHING to do about how "the staff are also wrong too what about that". What an utter off topic point of blame. Why is it off topic? Because this is about what RAZMIRZ has done by GOING BEHIND THEIR BACKS and coming forth with a system that is to replace staff. As he so openly stated, I will repeat, THIS PROGRAM IS TO GET RID OF STAFF! Focus on this matter. Had Razmirz kept this to staff chat, had he told and very much warned that the staff were on thin ice by him saying he will be implementing this, the reaction of the FH staff would have been different.
I 100% agree that the staff team either needed to be reconstructed or them to change, but that post made by Nynx was to show that they were aware of what needed to change and were making a point that they were trying to change. Who stopped that? Raz. Who started banning staff, AKA Nynx, for releasing the maps for people to see, and to tell them that the staff team heard them? Raz. Who ultimately pushed staff who were trying to make a change out of the picture? Raz. Who is continuing to tell the community that it was because of Nynx all of the characters are gone? Raz. Who is actually to blame for deleting the map from the system files, and all the characters? Raz, because he was the one who just couldn't ignore the maps being released and instead just HAD to delete them.
Let me repeat this for you lot. Just because the staff have faults, does not make Raz's actions justified. He went behind their backs and made the threat that their days were numbered. They had an expiration date, so they decided to show them that they listened and Raz didn't. They outed him, and rightfully so. Someone had to do it.
"All of this being said, again, I'm not defending what Raz has done. I don't agree with the fact he did this behind everyone's backs. But going behind HIS back and being equally petty?"
As for the "over reacting petty behavior" that you carelessly state- welcome to the goddamn internet. It ain't right the way they're acting, but guess what, they're people, and they're upset. In numbers, people will cause chaos and riots. If anything has told you about history, is that's what happens. You can sit on the side and call them immature or overreacting all you want, but people will not stop when this is so fresh. It's best to leave that out of the picture and focus on the real problem.
And for someone who apparently isn't "defending Raz" you're doing a mighty fine job of looking like you are.
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I can not believe you think lost characters isn't an important matter! people spend hours and time and effort in there characters and bios and your just brushing it of like it isn't important? ... make it a prior concern and do something then do something about this stupid no mods matter.
I wont restore your characters quite yet as it seems people are still loosing theirs. I'm not about to start some daily restore of lost characters.
He said he would eventually get around to doing it with the words "quite yet" so be patient. I'm aware you are angry, I would be as well if I lost something I spent a long time on, but for all we know he could be working on something more important than restoring characters.
I'm pretty sure Raz is the one who deleted the characters. Normally when a map is deleted or shut down, you just can't get into it or your character goes to a void. When that happens, it can still be recovered in the user panel. These characters are completely gone.
I know he's the one who deleted the characters, and he just said he would but not "quiet yet." A character doesn't always go into the void if he, like any sensible server master, has backups of the data for the characters so just in case if one database is destroyed he has a restore point. Of course I'm assuming he would be a sensible enough type of person to do this, but we'll have to see if he does.
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I can not believe you think lost characters isn't an important matter! people spend hours and time and effort in there characters and bios and your just brushing it of like it isn't important? ... make it a prior concern and do something then do something about this stupid no mods matter.
I wont restore your characters quite yet as it seems people are still loosing theirs. I'm not about to start some daily restore of lost characters.
He said he would eventually get around to doing it with the words "quite yet" so be patient. I'm aware you are angry, I would be as well if I lost something I spent a long time on, but for all we know he could be working on something more important than restoring characters.
I'm pretty sure Raz is the one who deleted the characters. Normally when a map is deleted or shut down, you just can't get into it or your character goes to a void. When that happens, it can still be recovered in the user panel. These characters are completely gone.
I know he's the one who deleted the characters, and he just said he would but not "quiet yet." A character doesn't always go into the void if he, like any sensible server master, has backups of the data for the characters so just in case if one database is destroyed he has a restore point.
"Any sensible server master" would have ignored Nynx's map leaks and just deleted the goddamn thread. Not the core map files from the game's data base
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I was actually online for a long time yesterday, and I saw people having fun. And if any hate was getting thrown around, it was at Raz. Which, you KNOW that if the staff had been online, they would have allowed it because it wasn't directed at them or their friends. Not all of the fun was mature, and yes, people were cursing. As I also mentioned in a later post, I do think that if that conduct is going to be free and rampant, the game should come with a warning then for minors or people who are easily offended.
All of this being said, again, I'm not defending what Raz has done. I don't agree with the fact he did this behind everyone's backs. But going behind HIS back and being equally petty? That's not really a way to behave either, especially when I refuse to believe that the staff or the community was dumb enough to think he wouldn't push back upon provocation.
A friend mentioned this to me, and I also did notice this. You guys DO realize that Raz came to the community about this policy change, right? He SAID in his post, that if enough people disagreed and didn't like it, that it would change. October's meant to be a test. All of this insanity has stemmed from people freaking out over it.
As I have said before, I will say it again. I don't condone Raz' behavior. But other than rationally trying to explain why we think something isn't a great idea and hoping he'll listen is literally all we can do. At least on FeralHeart. I'm willing to ride it out. If you're not, then you can join the massive rioting clusterfuck of a Discord hate server and try to make another game. FeralHeart is unique, yeah. And I understand that this sucks.
But rioting, calling everybody names, and throwing temper tantrums is going to get LITERALLY nothing done. It's throwing eggs at a brick wall.
It sucks. I know. But raging around like a toddler and screaming curse words AGAINST Raz like someone in massive red text did above, is not going to solve anything.
As much as I didn't think some of the staff were right to have their positions, and believe me when I say, I have had personal beef with a few of them over the years.
However, I am actually defending them IN THE SENSE OF WHAT RAZ IS DOING IS WRONG!
"You guys DO realize that Raz came to the community about this policy change, right? He SAID in his post, that if enough people disagreed and didn't like it, that it would change." No. He came to the community and told us he was doing it. He gave us, what, a week warning? He would be doing this whether or not we agree or disagree. And you know what, if you understood a bit as to who Raz is, you would know that it wouldn't matter if people didn't like Mod Free October, he would have kept it regardless.
You want to blame the staff before this incident for not being fair or right for their title?
This has NOTHING to do about how "the staff are also wrong too what about that". What an utter off topic point of blame. Why is it off topic? Because this is about what RAZMIRZ has done by GOING BEHIND THEIR BACKS and coming forth with a system that is to replace staff. As he so openly stated, I will repeat, THIS PROGRAM IS TO GET RID OF STAFF! Focus on this matter. Had Razmirz kept this to staff chat, had he told and very much warned that the staff were on thin ice by him saying he will be implementing this, the reaction of the FH staff would have been different.
I 100% agree that the staff team either needed to be reconstructed or them to change, but that post made by Nynx was to show that they were aware of what needed to change and were making a point that they were trying to change. Who stopped that? Raz. Who started banning staff, AKA Nynx, for releasing the maps for people to see, and to tell them that the staff team heard them? Raz. Who ultimately pushed staff who were trying to make a change out of the picture? Raz. Who is continuing to tell the community that it was because of Nynx all of the characters are gone? Raz. Who is actually to blame for deleting the map from the system files, and all the characters? Raz, because he was the one who just couldn't ignore the maps being released and instead just HAD to delete them.
Let me repeat this for you lot. Just because the staff have faults, does not make Raz's actions justified. He went behind their backs and made the threat that their days were numbered. They had an expiration date, so they decided to show them that they listened and Raz didn't. They outed him, and rightfully so. Someone had to do it.
"All of this being said, again, I'm not defending what Raz has done. I don't agree with the fact he did this behind everyone's backs. But going behind HIS back and being equally petty?"
As for the "over reacting petty behavior" that you carelessly state- welcome to the goddamn internet. It ain't right the way they're acting, but guess what, they're people, and they're upset. In numbers, people will cause chaos and riots. If anything has told you about history, is that's what happens. You can sit on the side and call them immature or overreacting all you want, but people will not stop when this is so fresh. It's best to leave that out of the picture and focus on the real problem.
And for someone who apparently isn't "defending Raz" you're doing a mighty fine job of looking like you are.
I 100% agree on this. I cannot explain enough how much I agree with this.
Just to put this simply, yes, people overreacted. Yes, there was miscommunication. However, the funniest thing is, is that people actually think somehow turning the tides on the community and staff rather than Raz is a wise decision. "Yeah, Raz did this, but everyone else is wrong too!" That's taking the blame away, or should I just call it scapegoating?
The community is upset, the staff is upset, everyone is upset. Everything has gotten out of hand. People make mistakes. However, my one question here for you all.
Can Raz fix his?
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Hey there, Raz; I'm sure you've been reading each comment left here.
I'm the creator and leader of what's basically the Feralheart refugee discord. I refer to it as such because everyone who has joined is doing so to keep in contact with their friends and keep up to date on recent events. They are afraid of what might happen to the server; we need defined answers, please.
I'm sure you put thought into your current actions. However, as an advocate that has been working for schools on internet safety for years, not having a professional, hand-picked moderating staff poses dangers on your users lives. You must know that the median age that plays your game is 11-14. These are children. By removing the need for moderators, you are allowing them to face dangers that they may not be able to handle on their own. This could also cause serious repercussions for you as the now sole moderator and server master.
Moderators and rules are put into place to make sure your MMO is regulated safely. Yes; there is a whisper option that allows people to speak privately, however, many reports came from just that-- screencapped whispers. Our moderators worked diligently on the safety of your MMO. They are necessary for an active online space.
I appreciate that you held the server for as long as you did. If it has become too stressful for you, I will suggest what everyone else is suggesting-- pass on the torch to someone not only capable of running the server, but can also pay for it. Obviously, your userbase LOVES this game. It has changed many lives, and while it may not last forever, we would at least like to hear from you some solid answers on its current future.
We are ready and willing for your answers. Please let us know your thought process on this move, even if it's just a "test" at the moment. Hundreds of people would love to hear from you.
My inbox is open for private conversation if you see it fit.
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After seeing both threads and reading through the comments...
I really wished this was planned and executed more better than what it is now.
Miscommunication, Assumptions... these are legit the reason why things crumble to nothing.
Why a divide and even a war breaks out.
We're still human beings trying to find answers and reasoning to things based on the knowledge we were told and even given.
I just hope for the sake of this place, it doesn't go spiraling, crashing and burning hard... And even if it does...
we learn something from this experience one way or another.
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Misconception and assumptions are the true reason everything has gone down hill. The game is perfectly in tact. Everyone is going about normally.
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Misconception and assumptions are the true reason everything has gone down hill. The game is perfectly in tact. Everyone is going about normally.
For the time being at the very least.
Anything can still happen since it still happened in the first place.
All I can do is just watch and wait and hope for that silver lining.
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raz removed himself from the stand its only the bot left once you leave how the hecc are you gunna magically make yourself admin? I don't think that's how everyday things work unless you are the OWNER of the game or place right? ya catch my drift??
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raz removed himself from the stand its only the bot left once you leave how the hecc are you gunna magically make yourself admin? I don't think that's how everyday things work unless you are the OWNER of the game or place right? ya catch my drift??
Just because he has stepped off as admin on the forums doesn't mean he isn't still our admin. xD He still has all of his powers he had before. Calm down.
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Those who disagree with moderator free October. You seem to be wildly over simplifying its operation. I'll give you a hint block != ban or even blockx9000 != ban.(important note != is not = for those unaware != means does not equal)
Not everyone will understand code so this explanation does nothing.
Also note moderator free October was preparation for the staffs departure.
So you planned to kick them out in the first place?
As for lost characters. PLEASE in future check where your download is coming from. If it doesn't come directly off feral-heart.com I cannot be held responsible for its content. So if its some random mediafire link think twice before you download.
Yeah no. Every single map or modification I got for this game came from Mediafire and it was 100% safe. You deleted it because you didn't want the ex-mods to let us see the new maps.
I wont restore your characters quite yet as it seems people are still loosing theirs. I'm not about to start some daily restore of lost characters. There are other more pressing matters to attend.
Pretty sure you just deleted the map server which caused the character data to go with it and players are starting to notice it. IDK how you're going to do this unless you can restore server data.
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I'm trying to be very calm about this, but perhaps if you had explained it in the first place people wouldn't be so upset? You seem keen to blame us for over-reacting when you gave us barely any information. You seem downright mocking us for not understanding it when you didn't explain it. Here is your exact post.
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There was no explanation. There is still no explanation.
Perhaps it's time to, well, suck it up about your supposed dislike for explaining things.
Also, I still believe this is an absolutely horrendous idea, and as I have no real evidence to go on to the contrary I will continue that opinion.
I haven't been on in a long while nor do I get on as regularly as I used to... but when I do this scares me a wee bit. I've been a member here since 2012, if someone were to block me because they were petty, would I lose my whole account? How does this whole thing work? It seems like it'd be so easy for someone to do that... just because they could. I have years of characters and character development... It's something that worries me slightly since I've decided to randomly poof back into the FH community again.
Now I'm not saying someone would do that - I have a tendency to assume the worst... but question still hangs there :o
And by golly what did you do Razi :0
Btw I hope the FH community has been alive and well <3 much love
~Optimal
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Pretty sure it's been explained that "block does not necessarily mean ban".
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As much as I didn't think some of the staff were right to have their positions, and believe me when I say, I have had personal beef with a few of them over the years.
However, I am actually defending them IN THE SENSE OF WHAT RAZ IS DOING IS WRONG!
"You guys DO realize that Raz came to the community about this policy change, right? He SAID in his post, that if enough people disagreed and didn't like it, that it would change." No. He came to the community and told us he was doing it. He gave us, what, a week warning? He would be doing this whether or not we agree or disagree. And you know what, if you understood a bit as to who Raz is, you would know that it wouldn't matter if people didn't like Mod Free October, he would have kept it regardless.
You want to blame the staff before this incident for not being fair or right for their title?
This has NOTHING to do about how "the staff are also wrong too what about that". What an utter off topic point of blame. Why is it off topic? Because this is about what RAZMIRZ has done by GOING BEHIND THEIR BACKS and coming forth with a system that is to replace staff. As he so openly stated, I will repeat, THIS PROGRAM IS TO GET RID OF STAFF! Focus on this matter. Had Razmirz kept this to staff chat, had he told and very much warned that the staff were on thin ice by him saying he will be implementing this, the reaction of the FH staff would have been different.
I 100% agree that the staff team either needed to be reconstructed or them to change, but that post made by Nynx was to show that they were aware of what needed to change and were making a point that they were trying to change. Who stopped that? Raz. Who started banning staff, AKA Nynx, for releasing the maps for people to see, and to tell them that the staff team heard them? Raz. Who ultimately pushed staff who were trying to make a change out of the picture? Raz. Who is continuing to tell the community that it was because of Nynx all of the characters are gone? Raz. Who is actually to blame for deleting the map from the system files, and all the characters? Raz, because he was the one who just couldn't ignore the maps being released and instead just HAD to delete them.
Let me repeat this for you lot. Just because the staff have faults, does not make Raz's actions justified. He went behind their backs and made the threat that their days were numbered. They had an expiration date, so they decided to show them that they listened and Raz didn't. They outed him, and rightfully so. Someone had to do it.
"All of this being said, again, I'm not defending what Raz has done. I don't agree with the fact he did this behind everyone's backs. But going behind HIS back and being equally petty?"
As for the "over reacting petty behavior" that you carelessly state- welcome to the goddamn internet. It ain't right the way they're acting, but guess what, they're people, and they're upset. In numbers, people will cause chaos and riots. If anything has told you about history, is that's what happens. You can sit on the side and call them immature or overreacting all you want, but people will not stop when this is so fresh. It's best to leave that out of the picture and focus on the real problem.
And for someone who apparently isn't "defending Raz" you're doing a mighty fine job of looking like you are.
Kry, do not start with me.
Before you decide to try and tear into me, read.
Multiple times over the course of my posts in the forums, I have said time and time again. Raz' behavior was deplorable in this case. Raz did NOT do a good job in handling this. But because I'm not falling in line and singing the staff's praises in reacting in the way that they did, I'm defending him? No. I'm really not. What I'm saying is people are losing their goddamn minds over something that really has not utterly destroyed the community. Maybe it has for you, but weren't you always the one telling me that FeralHeart was a cesspool of toxicity and that the people on the game weren't worth it? Now you can finally leave it behind.
Yeah, welcome to the internet, but I'd like to think that, like in life since we're all actual human beings, it means you don't have to be a shitty and petty person back all because someone was shitty to you. Perhaps if the staff had taken a principled stand that wasn't just ragequitting and throwing maps up to further provoke a situation that they KNEW was going to continue to go downhill, people might not have lost their minds. Inciting riots is not how this should have been conducted. The staff is not an entirely innocent party either.
Again, like I said, read the post. I said Raz should not have done what he did. I'm just also saying that the staff should not have done exactly what they did. Should they have retaliated? Sure. But not in such a disorganized and ridiculous way that suddenly had everyone running into the streets with furry torches and pitchforks. Because, trust me. I know a shit-ton about history. And if you actually know who this account belongs to, you know I've studied it and have a degree in it. Great things don't come out of riots. It comes out of protests and actual organized and civil social disobedience and change. The riots only happen when the peaceful protesters get attacked by the oppressive forces coming after them. The civil part that actually inspires change is not what happened here on FH. People just went freaking crazy.
I'm heading out of the forums at this point, because like a rational human being, I know this will blow over. It always does. Everyone can keep throwing their temper tantrum, and FeralHeart will either keep going, or it won't.
Hopefully y'all will mobilize this well when it comes time to do important things like vote and march and actually be socially proactive like I've felt the need to do over the past several months. Maybe I just see what matters a bit more, and I just don't think this game is THAT worth it to get riled up over. Is it full of nostalgia and memories? Sure. But I can let go of that just like anything else if the time's come for it to get shut down. And if not? I'll do what I can to work to make it better in my own way. I'm just not going to scream about how administrators are bitch-asses and how they're Hitler or Drumpf in the process. Nor am I going to do that about the staff. Or you.
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Kry, do not start with me.
Before you decide to try and tear into me, read.
Multiple times over the course of my posts in the forums, I have said time and time again. Raz' behavior was deplorable in this case. Raz did NOT do a good job in handling this. But because I'm not falling in line and singing the staff's praises in reacting in the way that they did, I'm defending him? No. I'm really not. What I'm saying is people are losing their goddamn minds over something that really has not utterly destroyed the community. Maybe it has for you, but weren't you always the one telling me that FeralHeart was a cesspool of toxicity and that the people on the game weren't worth it? Now you can finally leave it behind.
Yeah, welcome to the internet, but I'd like to think that, like in life since we're all actual human beings, it means you don't have to be a shitty and petty person back all because someone was shitty to you. Perhaps if the staff had taken a principled stand that wasn't just ragequitting and throwing maps up to further provoke a situation that they KNEW was going to continue to go downhill, people might not have lost their minds. Inciting riots is not how this should have been conducted. The staff is not an entirely innocent party either.
Again, like I said, read the post. I said Raz should not have done what he did. I'm just also saying that the staff should not have done exactly what they did. Should they have retaliated? Sure. But not in such a disorganized and ridiculous way that suddenly had everyone running into the streets with furry torches and pitchforks. Because, trust me. I know a shit-ton about history. And if you actually know who this account belongs to, you know I've studied it and have a degree in it. Great things don't come out of riots. It comes out of protests and actual organized and civil social disobedience and change. The riots only happen when the peaceful protesters get attacked by the oppressive forces coming after them. The civil part that actually inspires change is not what happened here on FH. People just went freaking crazy.
I'm heading out of the forums at this point, because like a rational human being, I know this will blow over. It always does. Everyone can keep throwing their temper tantrum, and FeralHeart will either keep going, or it won't.
Hopefully y'all will mobilize this well when it comes time to do important things like vote and march and actually be socially proactive like I've felt the need to do over the past several months. Maybe I just see what matters a bit more, and I just don't think this game is THAT worth it to get riled up over. Is it full of nostalgia and memories? Sure. But I can let go of that just like anything else if the time's come for it to get shut down. And if not? I'll do what I can to work to make it better in my own way. I'm just not going to scream about how administrators are bitch-asses and how they're Hitler or Drumpf in the process. Nor am I going to do that about the staff. Or you.
It's not hard to figure out who I am addressing, and I have read.
If I may be so bold to ask how the staff should have reacted? You state that you understand history, and yet you're still calling people petty. I've left FH. Because whether or not this blows over it's now an empty shell. You continued to speak up and talk to people like they were children. Let's cut the high-horse crap, and stick to the actual topic. How what Raz is doing is wrong. No involvement with the staff's retaliation, no involvement with how people are reacting in chaos.
What Razmirz is doing is very much wrong, and shows no community care and very poor communication skills. It gives us no explanation as to the details of this program. So until there is a good explanation as to how this works, and how the system will prevent trolling and such, then people will believe what they want. Hell, because of this, people may still believe what they want. Poor communication, poor staff managing skills, and very poor execution. Telling us that this will be implemented with such little knowledge appears like a threat to a game that many people have grown up on.
So to me, when one is bringing in "look I don't accept what he is doing, but look at what everyone else has done too" dragged into a thread that should be a reaction to his actions, and pretty much his actions only, seems a bit like you're trying to pry people away from the main topic. If that makes sense? I hope so.
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As much as I didn't think some of the staff were right to have their positions, and believe me when I say, I have had personal beef with a few of them over the years.
However, I am actually defending them IN THE SENSE OF WHAT RAZ IS DOING IS WRONG!
"You guys DO realize that Raz came to the community about this policy change, right? He SAID in his post, that if enough people disagreed and didn't like it, that it would change." No. He came to the community and told us he was doing it. He gave us, what, a week warning? He would be doing this whether or not we agree or disagree. And you know what, if you understood a bit as to who Raz is, you would know that it wouldn't matter if people didn't like Mod Free October, he would have kept it regardless.
You want to blame the staff before this incident for not being fair or right for their title?
This has NOTHING to do about how "the staff are also wrong too what about that". What an utter off topic point of blame. Why is it off topic? Because this is about what RAZMIRZ has done by GOING BEHIND THEIR BACKS and coming forth with a system that is to replace staff. As he so openly stated, I will repeat, THIS PROGRAM IS TO GET RID OF STAFF! Focus on this matter. Had Razmirz kept this to staff chat, had he told and very much warned that the staff were on thin ice by him saying he will be implementing this, the reaction of the FH staff would have been different.
I 100% agree that the staff team either needed to be reconstructed or them to change, but that post made by Nynx was to show that they were aware of what needed to change and were making a point that they were trying to change. Who stopped that? Raz. Who started banning staff, AKA Nynx, for releasing the maps for people to see, and to tell them that the staff team heard them? Raz. Who ultimately pushed staff who were trying to make a change out of the picture? Raz. Who is continuing to tell the community that it was because of Nynx all of the characters are gone? Raz. Who is actually to blame for deleting the map from the system files, and all the characters? Raz, because he was the one who just couldn't ignore the maps being released and instead just HAD to delete them.
Let me repeat this for you lot. Just because the staff have faults, does not make Raz's actions justified. He went behind their backs and made the threat that their days were numbered. They had an expiration date, so they decided to show them that they listened and Raz didn't. They outed him, and rightfully so. Someone had to do it.
"All of this being said, again, I'm not defending what Raz has done. I don't agree with the fact he did this behind everyone's backs. But going behind HIS back and being equally petty?"
As for the "over reacting petty behavior" that you carelessly state- welcome to the goddamn internet. It ain't right the way they're acting, but guess what, they're people, and they're upset. In numbers, people will cause chaos and riots. If anything has told you about history, is that's what happens. You can sit on the side and call them immature or overreacting all you want, but people will not stop when this is so fresh. It's best to leave that out of the picture and focus on the real problem.
And for someone who apparently isn't "defending Raz" you're doing a mighty fine job of looking like you are.
Kry, do not start with me.
Before you decide to try and tear into me, read.
Multiple times over the course of my posts in the forums, I have said time and time again. Raz' behavior was deplorable in this case. Raz did NOT do a good job in handling this. But because I'm not falling in line and singing the staff's praises in reacting in the way that they did, I'm defending him? No. I'm really not. What I'm saying is people are losing their goddamn minds over something that really has not utterly destroyed the community. Maybe it has for you, but weren't you always the one telling me that FeralHeart was a cesspool of toxicity and that the people on the game weren't worth it? Now you can finally leave it behind.
Yeah, welcome to the internet, but I'd like to think that, like in life since we're all actual human beings, it means you don't have to be a shitty and petty person back all because someone was shitty to you. Perhaps if the staff had taken a principled stand that wasn't just ragequitting and throwing maps up to further provoke a situation that they KNEW was going to continue to go downhill, people might not have lost their minds. Inciting riots is not how this should have been conducted. The staff is not an entirely innocent party either.
Again, like I said, read the post. I said Raz should not have done what he did. I'm just also saying that the staff should not have done exactly what they did. Should they have retaliated? Sure. But not in such a disorganized and ridiculous way that suddenly had everyone running into the streets with furry torches and pitchforks. Because, trust me. I know a shit-ton about history. And if you actually know who this account belongs to, you know I've studied it and have a degree in it. Great things don't come out of riots. It comes out of protests and actual organized and civil social disobedience and change. The riots only happen when the peaceful protesters get attacked by the oppressive forces coming after them. The civil part that actually inspires change is not what happened here on FH. People just went freaking crazy.
I'm heading out of the forums at this point, because like a rational human being, I know this will blow over. It always does. Everyone can keep throwing their temper tantrum, and FeralHeart will either keep going, or it won't.
Hopefully y'all will mobilize this well when it comes time to do important things like vote and march and actually be socially proactive like I've felt the need to do over the past several months. Maybe I just see what matters a bit more, and I just don't think this game is THAT worth it to get riled up over. Is it full of nostalgia and memories? Sure. But I can let go of that just like anything else if the time's come for it to get shut down. And if not? I'll do what I can to work to make it better in my own way. I'm just not going to scream about how administrators are bitch-asses and how they're Hitler or Drumpf in the process. Nor am I going to do that about the staff. Or you.
You. Keep. Repeating. The. Staff. Incited. Riots. When. It. Wasn't. Them. Who. Incited. Riots.
I'm just going to put this so simply. I know quite a bit about my good ol' communications major to answer this.
Sender ----message---> Receiver
No matter how many times we send the message on what we don't want. Raz doesn't choose to listen. It's unfortunate that the community acted out in such a way, but 90% of them told Raz civilly that they didn't want this. They expressed their concerns. He still does not listen. The only people who were actually listening was our staff team.
>> Staff were not disorganized in what they did. They gave the community what we've been waiting for, for a very long time.
>> Perhaps Raz had good intentions, but he still has yet to apologize or fully explain himself. He makes up excuses.
>> Staff did not ragequit or throw a fit. They wanted to give back to the community. This was not a political attack. This was for the community.
Believe what you want to believe. Have a nice day.
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Kry, do not start with me.
Before you decide to try and tear into me, read.
Multiple times over the course of my posts in the forums, I have said time and time again. Raz' behavior was deplorable in this case. Raz did NOT do a good job in handling this. But because I'm not falling in line and singing the staff's praises in reacting in the way that they did, I'm defending him? No. I'm really not. What I'm saying is people are losing their goddamn minds over something that really has not utterly destroyed the community. Maybe it has for you, but weren't you always the one telling me that FeralHeart was a cesspool of toxicity and that the people on the game weren't worth it? Now you can finally leave it behind.
Yeah, welcome to the internet, but I'd like to think that, like in life since we're all actual human beings, it means you don't have to be a shitty and petty person back all because someone was shitty to you. Perhaps if the staff had taken a principled stand that wasn't just ragequitting and throwing maps up to further provoke a situation that they KNEW was going to continue to go downhill, people might not have lost their minds. Inciting riots is not how this should have been conducted. The staff is not an entirely innocent party either.
Again, like I said, read the post. I said Raz should not have done what he did. I'm just also saying that the staff should not have done exactly what they did. Should they have retaliated? Sure. But not in such a disorganized and ridiculous way that suddenly had everyone running into the streets with furry torches and pitchforks. Because, trust me. I know a shit-ton about history. And if you actually know who this account belongs to, you know I've studied it and have a degree in it. Great things don't come out of riots. It comes out of protests and actual organized and civil social disobedience and change. The riots only happen when the peaceful protesters get attacked by the oppressive forces coming after them. The civil part that actually inspires change is not what happened here on FH. People just went freaking crazy.
I'm heading out of the forums at this point, because like a rational human being, I know this will blow over. It always does. Everyone can keep throwing their temper tantrum, and FeralHeart will either keep going, or it won't.
Hopefully y'all will mobilize this well when it comes time to do important things like vote and march and actually be socially proactive like I've felt the need to do over the past several months. Maybe I just see what matters a bit more, and I just don't think this game is THAT worth it to get riled up over. Is it full of nostalgia and memories? Sure. But I can let go of that just like anything else if the time's come for it to get shut down. And if not? I'll do what I can to work to make it better in my own way. I'm just not going to scream about how administrators are bitch-asses and how they're Hitler or Drumpf in the process. Nor am I going to do that about the staff. Or you.
why are you getting personal? this is an animal game. 14 year old furries don't care about your degree.
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You know what? I'm literally sick and tired of all of you being children about this. Yes, the news from Raz was shocking. Yes, everything that has happened has literally thrown us all for a loop. But can we all freaking grow the heck up? Please? This is getting stupid now. The worst of this has blown over, people are starting to calm down, yet here you guys are still jabbing at each other. How about this....we just sit and wait and see what this does? Hmm? Whether we like it or not, Raz is still the server master. We may not agree with what he's done, but what choice do we have? The best we can do is move on and see what is in store next. Who freaking knows, this may all work out! And then we'll all feel like fools!
So I suggest all of you calm down and think things out. Be mature about this. Cause I'm tired of seeing all of us doing this to each other. We're in this together, no matter what.
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Well this is a fun ride.
I agree with the above poster.
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Even though I did enjoy reading all of that, I do think the community is slowly calming down as well. Some people are still very angry and I get that. I just want to see this through.
I do think it is interesting to see all of these members flooding in with only a few posts to comment on this issue. Really shows how quickly a community can change and realize there is a massive forum that tags along with the game lol.
Been ages since I've posted so much in such a short amount of time. All this juicy drama got me checking the forums every hour lol
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man i thought not sending paragraphs publicly to each other about something we can't control went without saying.
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Lets all just take a moment to do this and walk away.
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Lets all just take a moment to do this and walk away.
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can't go wrong with friends LOL
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August:
"The mods are biased! OMG! Crucify the mods!"
late September:
"The poor mods! How dare you change anything in a system that's been less than functional for a very long time!"
If life has taught me anything, it's that the un-informed masses will allays villainize leaders for making changes, good or bad. I'll sit this one out. For now, I'll wait and watch.
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Reading over these notes, i'd say its safe to say that my views over this have changed slightly. I am at least relieved that i wont get banned randomly because someone decided to be a troll and block me, however i still don't 100% agree with this decision. I'll sit out of this for the time being and watch what happens.
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Wow, I guess FeralHeart is pretty different now. I should check it more often.
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w u t
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Well for the month of October and maybe beyond. You the community will be in charge of self moderation.
How is it going to work?
Well from your point of view as a community member you have a very simple job to do. If you see someone or something that shouldn't be going on block the person.
The system in place will identify people being blocked. It will assign bans accordingly. I'm not going to give too much insight to its workings for now as things may change as more information is collected and to prevent any attempts at abuse of the system.
Those who disagree with moderator free October. You seem to be wildly over simplifying its operation. I'll give you a hint block != ban or even blockx9000 != ban.
So 9000 blocks does not warrant a ban, but the bot places bans acordingly to blocks. Yeah, okay. That makes sense.
No. I understand it even less than when you made the first post about moderation free October. I'm just gonna tell you that I don't trust this system with the current information available: it's a system I know very little of that was set up without the other staff's knowledge.
I would like to know more about this system before it's implemented, beccause I'm pretty much in the dark right now. I'm willing to give it a shot, but... I... I just don't like the current situation at all.
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Honestly I think it's going to work a little better than what people are saying. IT's why Raz is taking a few days to work with it probably before implementing it. But I wouldn't know...
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Well for the month of October and maybe beyond. You the community will be in charge of self moderation.
How is it going to work?
Well from your point of view as a community member you have a very simple job to do. If you see someone or something that shouldn't be going on block the person.
The system in place will identify people being blocked. It will assign bans accordingly. I'm not going to give too much insight to its workings for now as things may change as more information is collected and to prevent any attempts at abuse of the system.
Those who disagree with moderator free October. You seem to be wildly over simplifying its operation. I'll give you a hint block != ban or even blockx9000 != ban.
So 9000 blocks does not warrant a ban, but the bot places bans acordingly to blocks. Yeah, okay. That makes sense.
No. I understand it even less than when you made the first post about moderation free October. I'm just gonna tell you that I don't trust this system with the current information available: it's a system I know very little of that was set up without the other staff's knowledge.
I would like to know more about this system before it's implemented, beccause I'm pretty much in the dark right now. I'm willing to give it a shot, but... I... I just don't like the current situation at all.
From how I interperet it, it means there'll be some sort of algorithm that will be so many blocks for specific acrions you did or say will eventual lead to a ban, after so many times, but the question remains if the ban will be perm or it'll be a temp.
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From how I interperet it, it means there'll be some sort of algorithm that will be so many blocks for specific acrions you did or say will eventual lead to a ban, after so many times, but the question remains if the ban will be perm or it'll be a temp.
Let's just assume for a moment that a halfway decent algorithm is put into place where an automated system is put into place and is able to differentiate the "block" as legit or falsified. That's great, perhaps a self moderation system will actually work in that case. But i still have a few concerns as followed:
- Your question: Temp or perm?
- For those times when the algorithm fails and falsly bans someone, how is Raz going to handle the appeals? He's clearly not known for his communication.
- What about the forum? Nothing in moderation has been announced for the forum.
- Further more, what is the community decides that swearing is OK, even though in the rules, it's not. No one will block for profanity, How will Raz address that?
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Well for the month of October and maybe beyond. You the community will be in charge of self moderation.
How is it going to work?
Well from your point of view as a community member you have a very simple job to do. If you see someone or something that shouldn't be going on block the person.
The system in place will identify people being blocked. It will assign bans accordingly. I'm not going to give too much insight to its workings for now as things may change as more information is collected and to prevent any attempts at abuse of the system.
Those who disagree with moderator free October. You seem to be wildly over simplifying its operation. I'll give you a hint block != ban or even blockx9000 != ban.
So 9000 blocks does not warrant a ban, but the bot places bans acordingly to blocks. Yeah, okay. That makes sense.
No. I understand it even less than when you made the first post about moderation free October. I'm just gonna tell you that I don't trust this system with the current information available: it's a system I know very little of that was set up without the other staff's knowledge.
I would like to know more about this system before it's implemented, beccause I'm pretty much in the dark right now. I'm willing to give it a shot, but... I... I just don't like the current situation at all.
From how I interperet it, it means there'll be some sort of algorithm that will be so many blocks for specific acrions you did or say will eventual lead to a ban, after so many times, but the question remains if the ban will be perm or it'll be a temp.
Yeah, it could honestly use a bit more explaining, hopefully a thread will be made explaining all the detail, answering questions and such.
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After watching a moderator kick someone for increasing increments of minutes 3 times in a row because they kept walking up to the moderator & starting to chat, but would start swearing unintentionally, which was comical to watch and seemed fair at the time, what would an AI do? A real human can see situations from the humans perspective, an AI doesn't. Self driving cars are an example of this & i don't trust them at all (Tesla have a steering wheel for a reason). How many times i've seen them at a panel repair shop is a clue...
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Here to say that I agree with Kuri. I wouldn't trust AIs
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Honestly if Raz could give us a better explanation of this "algorithm" I think there wouldn't be as much chaos as there is right now. A lot of people are scared that this feature will be taken advantage of or that there is no moderation whatsoever at the moment, so for the community's sake, I think there should be more detail given on how this bot will operate, even if the details are subject to change.
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I'd like to see this bot in action. It new. It intrigues me. *Shrugs*
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I guess I ought to add on to some of my original sentiments.
The fact he will not give implementation details is suspect. He claims he cannot so the system cannot be abused. This implies that the system will have the capacity for abuse. Anyone with any understanding of what data machines require and how they use it can guess implementation details. You cannot do security through obscurity. Or I guess in this case, validity. This is why one must construct a solid system. If the system is solid, the details shouldn't be a concern if made public.
However, he could just be bluffing to get us to block users that offend us, having us believe they will be banned.
From how I interperet it, it means there'll be some sort of algorithm that will be so many blocks for specific acrions you did or say will eventual lead to a ban, after so many times, but the question remains if the ban will be perm or it'll be a temp.
Algorithms are notoriously bad at context. It sounds good, but it can be manipulated, too, if you know the troublesome contexts.
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I support you Raz :D
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A lot of people are unsure on this system as it's never really been done before. There has always been physical mods who can follow the rules to a point and judge correctly right and wrong to avoid injustice. While an AI works elsewhere, I'm not entirely supportive that it would work here.
This community has always been use to a physical mod. Knowing a physical person was there to help was reassuring. With this system? I truely don't know how it will blend with how this community is (whatever is left of it that is).
There are games out there, TFM for instance that while they have physical mods, they also have a system that if you want as a player you can watch 'reported' members and judge them for their crime (hacking, profanity, cheating etc)
For that game it works (kinda)
But here on FH I struggle with thinking It could work.
block != ban or even blockx9000 != ban
That was our only hint to how this system will work. And with how many members had left the game, I don't see how this will work. What about those who are smart enough to beat it.
I struggle with it really.
And what about the personal connections? The events, parties and contests? All the things that made FH enjoyable for everyone. Those are all gone now. So what a lot of people looked forward to is now completely gone and it's a huge bummer.
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After sitting on it, thinking on it & even trying to find some pros whilst there's a lot of cons to this.. I just hope you're going to be doing multiple trial runs on this, using multiple incidents where the testing can either work or fail..
I'm not here to tell you how to do your work and all, but if you're really headstrong on implementing this, I think you should hold off on the M.F October until you're absolutely certain this is without a single shred of doubt full proof.
If this sort of thing were to to run smoothly, you still need to have plans for the complications, the backfires, the alternative solutions and even temp solutions until you're certain you covered every ground and basis.
AIs are getting more and more advanced and while we may have a grasp on them, they're still unpredictable. I rather have this implemented along with a few physical members that have the ability to reverse the damage.
You're currently the only one that has some idea on how things work / get implemented, etc other than the creator of the game and possibly someone else ( not entirely sure ). Why not have a selected few that has some prior knowledge to coding and / or are interested to help you out. That way, not only will they know the ins and out of the game, but the server itself. It could be more beneficial and reassuring than to put all our faith and constantly be on edge because our fates is in the hands of a AI system and only an AI system.
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I'm not sure how I feel about this anymore, there's so many things that could go wrong but also the possibility it'll work out just fine. I just fear a lot may be misunderstood by the bot and the forums definitely will need moderation. Mods should still remain around to moderate the forums, and some in-game, they did a lot, helped members, of which bots cannot do. Sure, other members can help, but staff tend to know just a tad bit more than most regular members, yanno? The staff also ran a lot of community wide events, of which kept the game a tad bit more interesting.
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I know I said I was leaving and all, but it just felt wrong to let my last post be so negative and bitter. That, and the fact that I still care about this community quite a bit led me to believe that maybe I should see this through.
Look, I want to apologize for how I worded my posts in the Moderator Free October thread, as well as my leaving post. The venom was uncalled for, and you didn’t deserve that. I’m sure you have your reasons for the decisions you took, and I may have jumped the gun in writing what I did simply because I disagreed with your choice of doing things; I loosened the reins on my temper and I clearly shouldn’t have done that.
However, I feel that some of the community’s fears were also justified, given how little was explained in regards to this system. Both sides have made mistakes, whether it be assumptions, or a lack of details. This community is a brilliant one in many respects, and I feel bad for tucking my tail in between my legs and leaving instead of staying to help in the aftermath.
Obviously what I've said so far hasn't been exactly relevant to the OP, so hopefully these next few lines will be.
I know that everyone's on edge lately, but I would encourage you not to lose reason (like I did) in face of this whole situation. Obviously we don't have the whole picture, which is why it can be hard to see any positives to this, but that doesn't necessarily mean they're nonexistent.
Some of you might agree with Raz's decision, and others will disagree, but fighting about it is the worst thing that you can do right now. The month of October will be crucial for a lot of people, and clearly the trial's not going to be dropped, so we might as well make it go as smoothly as possible. The last thing we need is for the system to get skewed just because some people were feeling resentful.
Raz, I urge you to please be more transparent in the future. You've said it's not your strong suit, and that's understandable, but this community really deserves to be informed about what is happening / will happen to the game that they so clearly cherish. It's not exactly fair to let them make assumptions and then say that they're oversimplifying things.
To everyone else; some of fighting I've witnessed in light of recent events is what made me realize I was overreacting. A few of you seem to feel like you're fighting for the right 'side' of things. I'd like you to consider the following: there are no sides.
There's no "pro-this" or "anti-that" teams. There's only one big community with the desire to see their game be the best it can be, and you shouldn't be splitting yourselves up into opposing teams and fighting over things that don't really matter in the long run.
If you don't want this game to die, then don't lose perspective of what's important to you. All of this fighting isn't really what people like about FeralHeart, is it?
I agree that the staff made the community interesting with events, parties, and contests. For the time being, maybe it's up to us regular members to take up that mantle. Find what you like about FH and do your best to propagate that.
I think I've said all that I wanted to say. I'll be staying on the forums and seeing if the future holds something for me here.
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I'm sorry, but other major games have staff teams and mods. Yes bots are used, but they are more so used as a tool for the staff with the large amount of numbers. Back when we had the game open for as many people to join when they pleased and we could easily see 1000+ members plus a day I can see us needing this, but at this point when we are now maybe on a good day getting 200 I don't see this needed at all. Lets be real. If it is an algorithm then we all know how crappy it can be, major sites even have such awful ones.
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I honestly agree with Lucius' entire post pretty much, you made a lot of strong points and commented on both sides, honestly making me feel as though "siding" is pretty myeh, stupid, at this point. We are all a community, and as a community we work together and stick together in situations like this rather than run off and leave it to be torn up. I'm sure the members could do a lot and create our own member based events and mini-games, roleplaying elated stuff, etc! But, I still personally believe a staff team is needed, for moderation purposes on the site, and some in-game, as it could lead to chaos without it.. So we haven't seen any horrible behavior on the site rather than bickering, but what happens if someone were to mass spam vulgar images? We're sitting on a thin line here honestly, it can go very well, or horribly bad. Bots can only do so much, shouldn't every game have a staff team that can assist members and update them on important things regular members may not know? Maybe, maybe not. We as a community only know so much and can do so much..
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I know I said I was leaving and all, but it just felt wrong to let my last post be so negative and bitter. That, and the fact that I still care about this community quite a bit led me to believe that maybe I should see this through.
Look, I want to apologize for how I worded my posts in the Moderator Free October thread, as well as my leaving post. The venom was uncalled for, and you didn’t deserve that. I’m sure you have your reasons for the decisions you took, and I may have jumped the gun in writing what I did simply because I disagreed with your choice of doing things; I loosened the reins on my temper and I clearly shouldn’t have done that.
However, I feel that some of the community’s fears were also justified, given how little was explained in regards to this system. Both sides have made mistakes, whether it be assumptions, or a lack of details. This community is a brilliant one in many respects, and I feel bad for tucking my tail in between my legs and leaving instead of staying to help in the aftermath.
Obviously what I've said so far hasn't been exactly relevant to the OP, so hopefully these next few lines will be.
I know that everyone's on edge lately, but I would encourage you not to lose reason (like I did) in face of this whole situation. Obviously we don't have the whole picture, which is why it can be hard to see any positives to this, but that doesn't necessarily mean they're nonexistent.
Some of you might agree with Raz's decision, and others will disagree, but fighting about it is the worst thing that you can do right now. The month of October will be crucial for a lot of people, and clearly the trial's not going to be dropped, so we might as well make it go as smoothly as possible. The last thing we need is for the system to get skewed just because some people were feeling resentful.
Raz, I urge you to please be more transparent in the future. You've said it's not your strong suit, and that's understandable, but this community really deserves to be informed about what is happening / will happen to the game that they so clearly cherish. It's not exactly fair to let them make assumptions and then say that they're oversimplifying things.
To everyone else; some of fighting I've witnessed in light of recent events is what made me realize I was overreacting. A few of you seem to feel like you're fighting for the right 'side' of things. I'd like you to consider the following: there are no sides.
There's no "pro-this" or "anti-that" teams. There's only one big community with the desire to see their game be the best it can be, and you shouldn't be splitting yourselves up into opposing teams and fighting over things that don't really matter in the long run.
If you don't want this game to die, then don't lose perspective of what's important to you. All of this fighting isn't really what people like about FeralHeart, is it?
I agree that the staff made the community interesting with events, parties, and contests. For the time being, maybe it's up to us regular members to take up that mantle. Find what you like about FH and do your best to propagate that.
I think I've said all that I wanted to say. I'll be staying on the forums and seeing if the future holds something for me here.
Just like Lucius, I do have to apologize for my reactions to all of this for the sake of the community.
Many overreacted, myself included, and I think that is due for an apology. Both sides have shook and shaken. Though, that is due for apology.
We all wanted the same for the game, but we all approached it differently. Though, I cannot speak for the whole of the community, I can say for myself that I have reacted in a wrong way, as did some of the community towards this. I am going to thank Raz on behalf of trying or attempting to explain to us.
The community means growth, and I'm sure without building a new game, trying this way and that, we could rebuild the game from our childhood and prepare it for the next generation.
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I am still unsure to what the bot will do Raz so if you could when you get the chance could you explain it a tad more?
I wish to understand what exactly will be happening with this bot cause it has peeked my curiosity. Since you are the
only one left in charge of this game I'm kinda curious how things will ride out with it just being you.
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I really hope y'know what you're doing here. A lot of people (including myself) are not trusting to this system and I think a lot more explaining will have to be done before people are to trust it. I respect your work as the server master, but please be careful. The community is in a lot of shock.
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We appreciate the clarification, but the proof that you are responsible for the missing characters rests on Nynx’s gravestone. She wanted to give us a taste of the patch, but then she got banned and any characters who went into the maps she showed us were deleted.
We don’t need the staff to leave for any discernible reason. They actually care about us as opposed to you.
Also, I suggest you use =/= to indicate “not equal.”
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Characters never got deleted apparently so it's just wait for them to be put back on once people stop going into the maps, says so right in the thread.
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Thanks for letting it be a bit more clearer. I still would like to know how the computer automated
Bot works though.
I also do agree that there are no sides on this. But yes, the staff did make things interesting with things like parties, member of the season, and contests.
As for the lost characters, you will just have to wait until they appear back on your account, like Red said.
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To be honest, this worries me a bit. I wouldn't be surprised if trolls wouldn't ban random people just for the fun of it- to be fair though, I am very suspicious when it comes to people I don't know, therefore I might just be worrying a bit too much.
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We appreciate the clarification, but the proof that you are responsible for the missing characters rests on Nynx’s gravestone. She wanted to give us a taste of the patch, but then she got banned and any characters who went into the maps she showed us were deleted.
We don’t need the staff to leave for any discernible reason. They actually care about us as opposed to you.
Also, I suggest you use =/= to indicate “not equal.”
I’m not sure if all characters were returned, but mine and many others did come back yesterday? I think? I’d double check your character list to see if you have them ! ♥️
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As Red has already explained, characters weren't deleted. They were just simply put on a backup sort of thing, and Raz probably had to go and restore them himself.
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I know I said I was leaving and all, but it just felt wrong to let my last post be so negative and bitter. That, and the fact that I still care about this community quite a bit led me to believe that maybe I should see this through.
Look, I want to apologize for how I worded my posts in the Moderator Free October thread, as well as my leaving post. The venom was uncalled for, and you didn’t deserve that. I’m sure you have your reasons for the decisions you took, and I may have jumped the gun in writing what I did simply because I disagreed with your choice of doing things; I loosened the reins on my temper and I clearly shouldn’t have done that.
However, I feel that some of the community’s fears were also justified, given how little was explained in regards to this system. Both sides have made mistakes, whether it be assumptions, or a lack of details. This community is a brilliant one in many respects, and I feel bad for tucking my tail in between my legs and leaving instead of staying to help in the aftermath.
Obviously what I've said so far hasn't been exactly relevant to the OP, so hopefully these next few lines will be.
I know that everyone's on edge lately, but I would encourage you not to lose reason (like I did) in face of this whole situation. Obviously we don't have the whole picture, which is why it can be hard to see any positives to this, but that doesn't necessarily mean they're nonexistent.
Some of you might agree with Raz's decision, and others will disagree, but fighting about it is the worst thing that you can do right now. The month of October will be crucial for a lot of people, and clearly the trial's not going to be dropped, so we might as well make it go as smoothly as possible. The last thing we need is for the system to get skewed just because some people were feeling resentful.
Raz, I urge you to please be more transparent in the future. You've said it's not your strong suit, and that's understandable, but this community really deserves to be informed about what is happening / will happen to the game that they so clearly cherish. It's not exactly fair to let them make assumptions and then say that they're oversimplifying things.
To everyone else; some of fighting I've witnessed in light of recent events is what made me realize I was overreacting. A few of you seem to feel like you're fighting for the right 'side' of things. I'd like you to consider the following: there are no sides.
There's no "pro-this" or "anti-that" teams. There's only one big community with the desire to see their game be the best it can be, and you shouldn't be splitting yourselves up into opposing teams and fighting over things that don't really matter in the long run.
If you don't want this game to die, then don't lose perspective of what's important to you. All of this fighting isn't really what people like about FeralHeart, is it?
I agree that the staff made the community interesting with events, parties, and contests. For the time being, maybe it's up to us regular members to take up that mantle. Find what you like about FH and do your best to propagate that.
I think I've said all that I wanted to say. I'll be staying on the forums and seeing if the future holds something for me here.
I'll agree completely here and same stands for me.
You know what? I'm literally sick and tired of all of you being children about this. Yes, the news from Raz was shocking. Yes, everything that has happened has literally thrown us all for a loop. But can we all freaking grow the heck up? Please? This is getting stupid now. The worst of this has blown over, people are starting to calm down, yet here you guys are still jabbing at each other. How about this....we just sit and wait and see what this does? Hmm? Whether we like it or not, Raz is still the server master. We may not agree with what he's done, but what choice do we have? The best we can do is move on and see what is in store next. Who freaking knows, this may all work out! And then we'll all feel like fools!
So I suggest all of you calm down and think things out. Be mature about this. Cause I'm tired of seeing all of us doing this to each other. We're in this together, no matter what.
There is a justified side on the outrage and that's because of all the used people and all these secrets in the background. Some people take it personal and start getting offensive indirectly. Words can hurt alot if you use them correctly. Yes we're mad, yes we're angry, yes we need more clarification and it's really disappointing all of this effort members and staff has put to create something beautiful to restore all the cheerfulness and eagerness to play the game but I will agree on one thing and that's to handle things more maturely. I personally didn't and I'm not quite proud of it but I'm aware why plenty of others react this way.
Let's all agree we should get the award of saltiest community of the year?
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Let's all agree we should get the award of saltiest community of the year?
Salty? But.. we're.. wonderful :D
(https://media.giphy.com/media/26xBDMWQLwRgrRJcs/giphy.gif)
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I am kinda scared, as for the block = ban, some might over use it and get others banned just for fun, i am scared i or my friends might get blocked a lot of times from others doing it for fun,
Sorry if i don't really understand i just wanted to put this out.
As for the people who get offended easily just as if you walk up to them and say "Hi" or whatever or if you just walk up to them and they get offended and block you cause i have saw people do that to me before block me for no reason and i don't want to end up banned just from blocks for no reason.
So there are a lot of people out there wanting to block for fun, and that's what i'm scared of.
And since of this i will either avoid people or might not be on as much.
And there are people who just look at you and just hate you instantly and then they just block you, I've come across people like that.
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Block does not necessarily mean ban. It's a little more complicated than that.
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I wish to approach this from another perspective. In order to make moderation more effective by supplying instantaneous bans, it is understandable why you wish to implement your block-ban system, but why make the trial explicitly (and publicly) known? It would be more appropriate to keep it in secrecy to reduce the possibility of unjust bans via the server itself.
Regardless, in its core, Fearlheart is a game aimed at a younger audience—an audience that is vulnerable to the evils of people with bad intentions—which need guidance on what is not appropriate to tell to strangers online. If one block does not outright ban the offender, they may still roam around the game free. Of course, one can argue that it is impossible for the moderators to know all of the happenings in the game, however it is important there is human reasoning—something computers lack—in every situation moderators are confronted are able to reach. Those that do not see an apparent issue or disturbance will not block. Consequently, I only feel as if Feralheart will become a dangerous place if the "no-mod" system is run unaccompanied by actual human moderators.
Feralheart is far from a utopia, and one can not expect an imperfect society to control itself without justifiable and logical execution of law.
edit: After looking into everything that has been happening lately, I am disgusted. No one should be getting cut by this decision.
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i haven't played this in a while but i was on another game and someone from FH told me about this lol it's kinda dissappointing
though, i'm sure things won't be too bad. naturally there will always be the jerks, more so than real life due to anonymity, but i personally think it's not the best decision. never in my life have i seen anyone running a game do this. i hope the community can handle it though. i'm sure you all can.
though i highly doubt all of the mods were hoping to leave the team anyway.
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Still a stupid idea. This is why I left Feral Heart, moderators are toxic and stupid and the community in a whole is cringey and broken.
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Still a stupid idea. This is why I left Feral Heart, moderators are toxic and stupid and the community in a whole is cringey and broken.
I highly recommend you read this: https://feral-heart.com/smf/index.php?topic=64674.0
It could really assist in all the hate spreading around. Don't spread more hate and confusion, I think we've had our fair share of that. Regardless of your opinion, constructive criticism goes a very long way. [:
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Still a stupid idea. This is why I left Feral Heart, moderators are toxic and stupid and the community in a whole is cringey and broken.
Yet here you are.
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Still a stupid idea. This is why I left Feral Heart, moderators are toxic and stupid and the community in a whole is cringey and broken.
Yet here you are.
Exactly.
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but to a lot of people, feral heart is like a 2nd home.
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Let's all agree we should get the award of saltiest community of the year?
Salty? But.. we're.. wonderful :D
(https://media.giphy.com/media/26xBDMWQLwRgrRJcs/giphy.gif)
We're adorkable that's for sure
But when it comes to calmness we're as calm as this pic and I'm guilty of that ;(
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i mean with this whole situation nothing is going to work lol LIKE im just saying
a block=a ban or having a few blocks from users getting youbanned is a horrible idea
i mean at the same time idk which is worse, basing bans on blocks or dealing with moderators who dont know what theyre doing
1 time my friend and his friend got kciked twice for being "inappropriate" and to "keep it child-friendly" and we werent even sayign anything
and anther time they told someone jokingly that they hoped their brother got eczema ad they got banned for a week for "Death threats"
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Again. Blocks do not equal bans. No matter the count.
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I am kinda scared, as for the block = ban, some might over use it and get others banned just for fun, i am scared i or my friends might get blocked a lot of times from others doing it for fun,
Sorry if i don't really understand i just wanted to put this out.
As for the people who get offended easily just as if you walk up to them and say "Hi" or whatever or if you just walk up to them and they get offended and block you cause i have saw people do that to me before block me for no reason and i don't want to end up banned just from blocks for no reason.
So there are a lot of people out there wanting to block for fun, and that's what i'm scared of.
And since of this i will either avoid people or might not be on as much.
And there are people who just look at you and just hate you instantly and then they just block you, I've come across people like that.
Raz has clarified that block =/= ban.
Block does not necessarily mean ban. It's a little more complicated than that.
Azura is right.
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I have tons of cyberbullies on the internet, and I don't even know if they're on FH, but I'm worried that I will get banned from multiple blocks from them. I'm the most hated person on the internet, and I'm worried that if I get on Feral Heart, I will end up banned from my favorite RP game for life because of bullies. I don't want that.
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I have tons of cyberbullies on the internet, and I don't even know if they're on FH, but I'm worried that I will get banned from multiple blocks from them. I'm the most hated person on the internet, and I'm worried that if I get on Feral Heart, I will end up banned from my favorite RP game for life because of bullies. I don't want that.
Raz has clarified that block =/= ban.
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this entire thread takes a long time to explain absolutely nothing
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this entire thread takes a long time to explain absolutely nothing
I agree here. I think we should all take a breath and let things smooth out for the time being. There's nothing any of us can do and letting the situation settle might be a good idea for all of us. Lets try and keep a positive outlook and wait for future news. <3
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this entire thread takes a long time to explain absolutely nothing
I agree here. I think we should all take a breath and let things smooth out for the time being. There's nothing any of us can do and letting the situation settle might be a good idea for all of us. Lets try and keep a positive outlook and wait for future news. <3
or
a more reasonable mindset and hold people accountable for being dumb
or not being transparent
or taking a game that's almost ten years old and aimed at 11 year olds too seriously
or taking an apparent power trip on said type of game
i dont know about you man, but positivity aint gonna help here
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this entire thread takes a long time to explain absolutely nothing
I agree here. I think we should all take a breath and let things smooth out for the time being. There's nothing any of us can do and letting the situation settle might be a good idea for all of us. Lets try and keep a positive outlook and wait for future news. <3
or
a more reasonable mindset and hold people accountable for being dumb
or not being transparent
or taking a game that's almost ten years old and aimed at 11 year olds too seriously
or taking an apparent power trip on said type of game
i dont know about you man, but positivity aint gonna help here
I honestly feel like everyone is forgetting everything else he did after he fixed one thing.
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this entire thread takes a long time to explain absolutely nothing
I agree here. I think we should all take a breath and let things smooth out for the time being. There's nothing any of us can do and letting the situation settle might be a good idea for all of us. Lets try and keep a positive outlook and wait for future news. <3
or
a more reasonable mindset and hold people accountable for being dumb
or not being transparent
or taking a game that's almost ten years old and aimed at 11 year olds too seriously
or taking an apparent power trip on said type of game
i dont know about you man, but positivity aint gonna help here
I honestly feel like everyone is forgetting everything else he did after he fixed one thing.
that's almost exactly how i feel. while nothing can really stop him, we can't really even say he's in the right or trust him completely because he still did a few other pretty illogical things. he also never gave a helpful explanation of how the new reporting system works, so i guess what i'm collecting from how he's putting it... is that nobody gets banned even though it assigns bans accordingly? no shade towards anybody, but i dont feel like this is an "it's going to blow over soon" situation unless raz reconsiders his actions. it made no sense to delete the patch maps. at least the community is calming down and everyone's staying together, but until raz owns up to everything or makes a more in-depth explanation instead of what seems like blaming the situation on us, this won't be forgotten.
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What is completely baffling to me here is the "I don't like to explain myself" bit. It doesn't matter whether you do or don't; when you took it upon yourself to help keep balance to a community, YOU HAVE TO SPELL THINGS OUT FOR THEM. I could almost compare that type of mindset to Donald Trump. "We're doing it my way and I don't care what the rest of you peasants have to say about it." Yikes. Just yikes. I've been in this community since 2011. I've watched it decline. It didn't need new maps, it didn't need General taken away, etc.; what it needs are adults who are willing to put in the time to keep the game in check and continue to grow the number of players. If new MODs need to take the place of the old ones simply because they don't want to put in the effort anymore, then GET NEW MODs. This is a zero-effort action and shows me that you just stopped caring. Period. :-\
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I am kinda scared, as for the block = ban, some might over use it and get others banned just for fun, i am scared i or my friends might get blocked a lot of times from others doing it for fun,
Sorry if i don't really understand i just wanted to put this out.
As for the people who get offended easily just as if you walk up to them and say "Hi" or whatever or if you just walk up to them and they get offended and block you cause i have saw people do that to me before block me for no reason and i don't want to end up banned just from blocks for no reason.
So there are a lot of people out there wanting to block for fun, and that's what i'm scared of.
And since of this i will either avoid people or might not be on as much.
And there are people who just look at you and just hate you instantly and then they just block you, I've come across people like that.
Raz has clarified that block =/= ban.
Block does not necessarily mean ban. It's a little more complicated than that.
Azura is right.
I found out a long time ago, but thanks for pointing it out.
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Something came to mind I would like to share. I want to compare the FH's moderation system to an other moderation system I'm familiar with: DotA's. I know FeralHeart is far from a MOBA game, but hear me out.
DotA's system tracks how often you've left a match and how many reports you've gotten. Based on those numbers the system automatically places players in the low priority queue. Nobody knows what exactly the treshold is for reports and match abandons, but everybody can figure out there's some sort of alglorythm behind it. Sounds familiar so far?
Now, besides from that Valve made it clear DotA's moderation bot also tracks if multiple people from the same group reported you, and you get a basic conduct report about only your last 25 matches. If you did a little research you can assume two things:
- If 4 players from 1 group report you, it'd actually have less effect than if you got 3 reports from 3 different groups of players.
- It determines who goes to the low-priority queue by recent events rather than lifetime events.
That got me thinking. If the system implemented in FH also looks at where the blocks came from, when they were put in place and if any recent blocks were removed this system could actually work great. Even if it doesn't, Raz might have found another way around the mass block problem. The only problem is that we have no information whereof we can get the idea that Raz has kept this in mind whilst setting up the system. That's what tripped me up until just yesterday, when I realised this could actually be the case. And for the sake of my sanity, I'm going to assume he did.
Well, that's about it. I hope it'll help some of you a little bit, somehow.
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Something came to mind I would like to share. I want to compare the FH's moderation system to an other moderation system I'm familiar with: DotA's. I know FeralHeart is far from a MOBA game, but hear me out.
DotA's system tracks how often you've left a match and how many reports you've gotten. Based on those numbers the system automatically places players in the low priority queue. Nobody knows what exactly the treshold is for reports and match abandons, but everybody can figure out there's some sort of alglorythm behind it. Sounds familiar so far?
Now, besides from that Valve made it clear DotA's moderation bot also tracks if multiple people from the same group reported you, and you get a basic conduct report about only your last 25 matches. If you did a little research you can assume two things:
- If 4 players from 1 group report you, it'd actually have less effect than if you got 3 reports from 3 different groups of players.
- It determines who goes to the low-priority queue by recent events rather than lifetime events.
That got me thinking. If the system implemented in FH also looks at where the blocks came from, when they were put in place and if any recent blocks were removed this system could actually work great. Even if it doesn't, Raz might have found another way around the mass block problem. The only problem is that we have no information whereof we can get the idea that Raz has kept this in mind whilst setting up the system. That's what tripped me up until just yesterday, when I realised this could actually be the case. And for the sake of my sanity, I'm going to assume he did.
Well, that's about it. I hope it'll help some of you a little bit, somehow.
Ooo! I really like that idea! Though I would still want some staff just to kinda look over everything and keep things in check and stuff.
RAZ. LOOKATDIS.
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welp guess it's time to unistall feral heart. back to IT servers for me. I thought the general chat ban was terrible...this is just wow. good job destroying a great game that had so much potential.
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welp guess it's time to unistall feral heart. back to IT servers for me. I thought the general chat ban was terrible...this is just wow. good job destroying a great game that had so much potential.
Please read fully through the responses of this thread to get a better idea of things that are going on.
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im an older member who's kinda jumped back and forth into the community and whatnot;
now my concern is more of, there are children playing this game. children can be annoying, do not understand social cues and just are being kids yknow? not doing anything 'wrong' just kind of yknow kid stuff i guess? older memebers will block them and my thing is...how will the system know between somebody wanting to use the block as a mute rather than somebody actually breaking rules/being disrespectful/etc? Maybe a "Mute player" is an appropriate addition to the game if everyone insists on using this system?