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Title: Wolfspeak
Post by: Afrus on March 18, 2016, 09:27:25 pm
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Opinions on Wolfspeak?
Title: Re: Wolfspeak
Post by: Cosmic-Wolf on March 19, 2016, 12:43:19 am
It scares me. I don't even understand how anyone could remember all of that, and then keep using it....I don't even try to understand any of it.
Title: Re: Wolfspeak
Post by: Morqque on March 19, 2016, 12:53:14 am
I think it's completely unnecessary and stupid.
It doesnt make you mature.
I personally can't stand it, really
Title: Re: Wolfspeak
Post by: Mischa on March 19, 2016, 01:10:49 am
I don't like wolfspeak. It makes it so hard to understand what everyone is trying to communicate. I feel like it's a reason for why I became inactive in game. At one point, every time I wanted to join a role play, people just roleplayed like that.

When it comes to roleplaying, I personally don't care about whether someone's response is "fancy" or not. I say fancy because it seems like that's how some roleplayers view wolfspeak, but as long as my roleplaying buddies respond with decent and relevant reactions and we understand each other, then it's all good by me. I feel like roleplaying is more about creating an engaging story line and having fun with it rather than focusing on the grammar, the spelling and whether you're using big words and what not, which I think takes away the fun from the whole experience and unfortunately, that's what a lot of people focus on in roleplays.
Title: Re: Wolfspeak
Post by: CosmoFursi on March 19, 2016, 02:18:25 am
I honestly dislike Wolfspeak.

To me, it's just people going like this:
"The feminine lupus scanned the area with her blood red optics, banner swishing to and fro."
I can't do anymore cause it mentally hurts me, but that's most of what they say.

Wolfspeak, to me, is people saying very different, confusing words that don't mean what they think they mean. It hurts my brain to read, cause I'm mostly like "What do words mean what is this I don't understand what" whenever I see a Wolfspeaker.

So yeah, I dislike Wolfspeak.
Title: Re: Wolfspeak
Post by: Rostova on March 19, 2016, 02:22:35 am
I actually don't know any "wolfspeak"
Title: Re: Wolfspeak
Post by: Wyldercat on March 19, 2016, 02:42:20 am
I personally don't like it, but I can sorta(?) understand why some people prefer it in roleplays, nor do I have anything against those who use it (unless they use it as an excuse to bully others of course).
Title: Re: Wolfspeak
Post by: Warriorstrike on March 19, 2016, 02:46:04 am
Moving this to the Game Discussion board since your topic is still fairly FH-related.
Title: Re: Wolfspeak
Post by: Preach on March 19, 2016, 02:52:47 am
Wolfspeakers...never heard of them. It took me awhile to fully understand what wrongs they've done, and to be honest, it kinda sounds like users who doesn't have a good sense of grammar or take roleplaying seriously. I wouldn't want to experience theses users but if I do, I would most avoid them.

Wolfspeak sounds like, to me, words that a wolf would speak. XD
Title: Re: Wolfspeak
Post by: TheOneAndOnlyy on March 19, 2016, 06:03:55 am
I personally dislike Wolfspeak, however because those who rp with me may find a very little amount of phrases that can be considered Wolfspeak in my own posts, I have nothing against those who enjoy and use these terms.

I was first introduced to Wolfspeak through a game called WolfQuest, which had a multiplayer version where a total of 5 players could come together in a server and do whatever they wanted, however roleplaying was the most popular. In the chat box, there was a chat that would replace a word that was spelt wrong, or a word you may have used in the post that wasn't apart of the game's dictionary with a ? after hitting enter, forcing the player to edit their post before it would be shown in the chat. This resulted in a lot of players having to turn to Wolfspeak, which was surprisingly apart of this dictionary. Now that I play FeralHeart however, that does not require this confusing and butchering language to be apart of the post, I really find it irritating.

Many people look at a post filled with Wolfspeak terms and have no clue nor could imagine what the words mean, and this causes a delaying within a Roleplay. Not to mention that most Wolfspeak terms have a definition that has no relation to the word the player is trying to replace the common term for, and is made up of butchered Latin, which ends up having no definition.

I know many who use Wolfspeak however find that it makes their posts creative, unique, which may be true. However no matter, I find it silly.
Title: Re: Wolfspeak
Post by: -WhereSunRises- on March 28, 2016, 07:35:45 am
To  be honest? I HATE IT! You can't understand what is the jerk talking about and you are like: "Man are you feeling ok?" It just buggs me hell alot -_- Most newbies come along it and end up being confused. Poor guys. It might sound uniique but It is hard to learn all the words in the world! Think about those who can't speak english very well. I know what Iam talking about. Simply said, I dislike it. Only my opinion.
Title: Re: Wolfspeak
Post by: Hakumi on March 28, 2016, 09:31:22 am
Ah , the wolfspeak. . . .
In my opinion , I find it quite interesting to say the least even though I don't really use it. Learning all these anatomy terms and such makes it hard to follow , but I can't help but be interested to learn it ( If that makes sense ).
Whenever I do see some wolfspeak around in a roleplay or something , I like to just hang around and watch ( If they group doesn't mind it ) and learn a thing or two.

On the other hand, I can see why it would be frustrating and confusing. Learning all these words for something simple can be a bit of a headache....But hey, that's how people came about and things. Some like it this way , some like it that way and some people want to add something in their speech and such.

So to me, Wolfspeak isn't so bad , but it can be confusing as I said before.
Nice Topic Though ~
Title: Re: Wolfspeak
Post by: Kynvuu on March 28, 2016, 12:44:42 pm
Well, I have a love hate relationship with wolfspeak. I'll admit, I used to be one of those people who would use it full blown. Now I kinda lessened up and I only use it here and there. You do have a valid point though, it is very confusing and for those whom don't know it or have a different vocabulary than the wolf speakers, it can be very hard to understand. Not to mention that some of the phrases or words used in wolfspeak aren't accurate when talking about certain anotomical parts. It's more of a way to sound fancy in role-play. But I got to admit it kinda does get a little cringe out of me when people just start making up words that don't even correspond to the actual body part. For example, cranium used to describe head. A cranium is a part of the skull that protects the brain, so I cringe and laugh a little when I think about someone "lifting their cranium [skull] to the sky." Like all their head is is just a skull. XD But to sum it up, I only like to use it when the terms make sense for what I'm describing. Like "limbs" for legs or "optics" for eyes.
Title: Re: Wolfspeak
Post by: Jango_Fett on March 28, 2016, 03:51:29 pm
honestly i don't care about it

it's not real words but it's interesting to read for me, and a lot of the people i've seen use it are actually nice people, and only a handful were absolute jerkwads.

what really bothers me about it is that as soon as you start using wolfspeak people will automatically turn on you and assume you're some stuck-up snobby person and judge you for it, even if they've only seen you post once.

it's mind boggling and quite insane in my opinion.
Title: Re: Wolfspeak
Post by: LordSuragaha on March 28, 2016, 04:11:52 pm
Hmm. Here's my thought on the topic.

I learned about WolfSpeak way back in the Wolf Quest days and on some other wolf roleplaying sites before Feral Heart even existed. At first glance I was totally lost as to what anyone was talking about. It sounded very strange and flowery in a sense. I figured it was something the "cool" and " old" roleplayers did xD I didn't dislike it but I always preferred to roleplay with folks who I understood xD I didn't start disliking WolfSpeak up until I actually met some folks who roleplayed with it. Unfortunately most people who use it seem to be very snooty and act like you're not as fancy & skilled with roleplaying if you don't use it.

I'm not one to bash WolfSpeak in general, I mean everyone has their styles and preferences. I just don't understand it or like to use it. If you look at the literal meaning of the terms and translate WolfSpeak in that sense it does sound silly but to be honest English & languages in general are an ever shifting thing. People come up with new meanings for words all the time so in a way WolfSpeak isn't as bad as some make it seem... Neither are the people using it. Also keep in mind that some people who have never roleplayed before or are very young may find it fancy or cool and learn to roleplay that way because of it.

She only aspect I hated of WolfSpeak was that some users used it as a status thing or an "in group" thing and if you didn't get it or do it they treated you like you're inexperienced or not interesting. Technically that's the same thing people who don't WolfSpeak seem to be doing to WolfSpeakers now xD.

So overall, I don't use it or like it much but I don't really see anything wrong it in if some like roleplaying in that style. The worst thing about is really is if people use those terms the wrong way outside of roleplaying xD Cause then that's not good lol
Title: Re: Wolfspeak
Post by: forks on March 28, 2016, 04:43:18 pm
Like Sura, I don't hate wolfspeak, but I prefer to roleplay with those who I can understand. There's no need to act pompous because you know anatomy better than some people. Everybody has their own unique and beautiful way of roleplaying and nobody is better than anybody else. At least, in my opinion.

I don't use wolfspeak, but sometimes I will throw in the occasional "cranium" or "maw", but only to make the post a pinch more interesting. However, it's not often.

So I'm pretty much a 75% dislike, 25% whatever person on the subject.
Title: Re: Wolfspeak
Post by: LordSuragaha on March 28, 2016, 05:40:16 pm
Everybody has their own unique and beautiful way of roleplaying and nobody is better than anybody else.
^
YES <3 And that's what I value most in our community, that we are so different & can appreciate and respect those differances. Well said :3
Title: Re: Wolfspeak
Post by: forks on March 28, 2016, 06:14:16 pm
Everybody has their own unique and beautiful way of roleplaying and nobody is better than anybody else.
^
YES <3 And that's what I value most in our community, that we are so different & can appreciate and respect those differances. Well said :3

Exactly. Sadly, some people do not respect differences. Everyone is amazing and it hurts to know that some people don't see it. Things like literacy and grammar, while do show what a person could be like, isn't the most important thing in a roleplay. It's the people - not their understanding of anatomy.
Title: Re: Wolfspeak
Post by: -WhereSunRises- on March 28, 2016, 06:55:39 pm
Everybody has their own unique and beautiful way of roleplaying and nobody is better than anybody else.
^
YES <3 And that's what I value most in our community, that we are so different & can appreciate and respect those differances. Well said :3

Exactly. Sadly, some people do not respect differences. Everyone is amazing and it hurts to know that some people don't see it. Things like literacy and grammar, while do show what a person could be like, isn't the most important thing in a roleplay. It's the people - not their understanding of anatomy.
Exactly! Nery well said guys. Actually, maybe that disrecpect towards me and other players made me hate the wolfspeak. Iam really sorry for those who aren't accepted to their dream group just becouse of some literacy or wolf speak missing in their word library...
Title: Re: Wolfspeak
Post by: Tortuga on March 29, 2016, 05:19:53 am
I certainly don't have a problem with people having different styles; I've seen lovely plays on words inspired by Wolfspeak! However, the excessive use of Wolfspeak, from a writing perspective, is prone to being counter productive for the same reason beating a thesaurus to death to force big words into a novel is; if only "the elite" can understand your writing, your meaning and message can only reach so many people. As roleplay-style writing relies on clear communication to be effective and fun, this can be a problem, depending on your audience.

As a general rule, most writers find that common, simple words are usually more powerful than high level, rare and/or elaborate ones. For example, the phrase "burning anger" has more punch to it than "ardent anger", since many of us have more vivid associations with the word "burning". In the same sense, the word "leg" has a more vivid and direct association to the body part we mean to describe than the word "pillar" is.

But if you really think about it, as long as your partners can understand you and you aren't a snotty grouch about it, it doesn't matter either way.  ;)
Title: Re: Wolfspeak
Post by: TheOneAndOnlyy on March 29, 2016, 05:40:55 am
Everybody has their own unique and beautiful way of roleplaying and nobody is better than anybody else.
^
YES <3 And that's what I value most in our community, that we are so different & can appreciate and respect those differances. Well said :3

Exactly. Sadly, some people do not respect differences. Everyone is amazing and it hurts to know that some people don't see it. Things like literacy and grammar, while do show what a person could be like, isn't the most important thing in a roleplay. It's the people - not their understanding of anatomy.
Exactly! Nery well said guys. Actually, maybe that disrecpect towards me and other players made me hate the wolfspeak. Iam really sorry for those who aren't accepted to their dream group just becouse of some literacy or wolf speak missing in their word library...
Yes, I agree fully. As I said before, I don't hold grudges against anyone who uses Wolfspeak, even those who do have that disrespectful attitude towards people who don't use it, or vise versa. But I do find it rather sad that some people don't understand that everyone is different and unique, and most of all, that you can't judge a book by it's cover. I've seen many people both in the real world and social media treat others unfairly and disrespectfully due to how they talk, or how they look, and in this case, how they Roleplay. The person inside is the only thing that should matter in the end, and if Roleplaying is meant for entertainment, or a place to escape from problems in the real world, we shouldn't make it miserable on another no matter how they communicate. :D
Title: Re: Wolfspeak
Post by: Hooli on March 29, 2016, 08:48:07 pm
Personally, I dislike wolfspeak, though I respect everyone's different ways of role play and I'm not going to discriminate against it. I myself used to use wolfspeak, well, tried. I remember during one of my first wolfspeak-ish role plays I had copied a bunch of words from a really complicated list of wolfpseak words and confused myself during my own posts lmao.
Title: Re: Wolfspeak
Post by: LordSuragaha on March 30, 2016, 12:18:31 am
I myself used to use wolfspeak, well, tried. I remember during one of my first wolfspeak-ish role plays I had copied a bunch of words from a really complicated list of wolfpseak words and confused myself during my own posts lmao.

^ That was literally me as well. I tried to fit in with the WolfSpeak crowd and did that same thing xD It never worked out xD
Title: Re: Wolfspeak
Post by: Cocopix on March 30, 2016, 12:26:58 am
Oboy, I can remember when I first discovered wolfspeak. I used it quite a lot, since I liked the way it sounded all fancy and sciency.
But later on, I guess it didn't feel very creative to me tbh. I was one of those people that just posted from a list of wolfspeak words, but through dropping the wolfspeak I think I've become much more experimental as a writer. So yeah, I'm no fan of wolfspeak. Especially when you're considered 'nooby' if you don't understand it. But I guess everyone has their own ways to RP.
Title: Re: Wolfspeak
Post by: CeramicSoul on March 30, 2016, 12:36:48 am
I can deal with wolf speak I have nothing against It. But I'm personally not a fan of it I may scatter in my posts like "She searched the land with her mint eyes her banner flicked the ground lightly" not full blown like

"The faemora  scanned the land her cool seafoam optics scanned the land the oxygenaters Inhaled the crisp evening breeze before dispersing it"

Where I go What in the heck?
So, Yeah.
Title: Re: Wolfspeak
Post by: Angelaxax on March 30, 2016, 11:48:03 am
Could somone mabye explain to me what 'Wolfspeak' Means?

I heard much Canines speaking it and I do understand it's a hard language to Role Play in but I never understud what that is.
Title: Re: Wolfspeak
Post by: LordSuragaha on March 30, 2016, 03:30:00 pm
To be honest I rather like some word substitutions in WolfSpeak. Like "banner" for tail is kind of poetic. I mean when you think of a banner I imagine like a flag like object gently billowing in the wind. I can see a tail seeming just as elegant as a flowing banner. I mean word substitution is something poets do all the time to add imagery to their writing.

Words like oxygenaters for nose like CeramicSoul gave as an example are not poetic though xD So I dislike those types of substitutions lol.
Title: Re: Wolfspeak
Post by: KatonaKy on March 30, 2016, 05:23:00 pm
I look up Wolfspeak on google,  and found a whole wolfspeak hate(well, looked like hate. Correct me if I'm wrong) thread. With definitions and all. It was quite humorous to read.

http://www.feral-heart.com/index.php?option=com_jfusion&Itemid=2&jfile=index.php&topic=32034.10 (http://www.feral-heart.com/index.php?option=com_jfusion&Itemid=2&jfile=index.php&topic=32034.10)
Title: Re: Wolfspeak
Post by: Wyldercat on March 30, 2016, 07:12:18 pm
To be honest I rather like some word substitutions in WolfSpeak. Like "banner" for tail is kind of poetic. I mean when you think of a banner I imagine like a flag like object gently billowing in the wind. I can see a tail seeming just as elegant as a flowing banner. I mean word substitution is something poets do all the time to add imagery to their writing.

Words like oxygenaters for nose like CeramicSoul gave as an example are not poetic though xD So I dislike those types of substitutions lol.
I do have to second this a little bit. Though I try to avoid using it, I may occasionally refer to something as something else in not necessarily the action description, but the dialogue, to better fit my character's image. Like, one of my stray dog characters refers to claws as "knucks," Scuttle (vagabond), will call baby or small animals "Pips," etc.
Title: Re: Wolfspeak
Post by: yourlocalcrow on April 02, 2016, 01:21:12 am
Please don't get me ranting. Going to try and not let myself go on for ages.

Wolfspeakers, based on the way they use these words (which is almost always incorrect), are the dictionary definition of illiterate. I've tried to roleplay with someone who uses wolfspeak, and when I politely asked them to use simpler words that make more sense, her reply was that those words made her feel more literate. Safe to say I left that group. I highly dislike wolfspeaking, and I find it difficult to understand.

I'll just quietly put here the worst offenses in my opinion:
Banner = tail
Pillars = legs
Orbs/pools = eyes
Lanterns = eyes
Pedestals = paws

What do you think your character is? Some type of Roman architecture?

If wolfspeaking is your thing, go ahead and stick with your crowd. I just find it difficult to understand.
Title: Re: Wolfspeak
Post by: TheOneAndOnlyy on April 02, 2016, 08:26:01 pm
Please don't get me ranting. Going to try and not let myself go on for ages.

Wolfspeakers, based on the way they use these words (which is almost always incorrect), are the dictionary definition of illiterate. I've tried to roleplay with someone who uses wolfspeak, and when I politely asked them to use simpler words that make more sense, her reply was that those words made her feel more literate. Safe to say I left that group. I highly dislike wolfspeaking, and I find it difficult to understand.

I'll just quietly put here the worst offenses in my opinion:
Banner = tail
Pillars = legs
Orbs/pools = eyes
Lanterns = eyes
Pedestals = paws

What do you think your character is? Some type of Roman architecture?

If wolfspeaking is your thing, go ahead and stick with your crowd. I just find it difficult to understand.

Yes, I understand that kind of frustration. As I said before though, many people who use the full "vocabulary" of Wolfspeak tend to use mixed and butchered Latin words to form what they think ends up being a literate, fancy, and defined phrase. In the end however, this is in fact completely illiterate, and proves just how little attention they spent to search up actual words with the proper definition of a phrase they wish to replace. I for one use such words that only make a post seem more creative and poetic, as Sura put it xD but I do not use phrases that would completely diminish the term I wished to rephrase. If I did see someone use words as Pedestal or Lanterns however, I would not know what they were referring to. To sum up typically, I only tolerate Wolfspeak when they are basic and simple words, that in the end, despite their definition, allow everyone to understand the post.