Feral Heart
Game & Forum Discussion => Forum Discussion => Topic started by: SoulRevenge on July 05, 2012, 02:32:14 pm
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If I'm not mistaken, we all know what Karma is. You get another one if someone nuzzles you, ya lose one when they bite,...
Well, I have a positive and negative opinion about this. I suppose I'll begin with the Positive though XDD.
The number of Karma on a user may show that they're rather trust-worthy and popular within the forums. It also usually means that they are expirienced members which are usually able to help you if you have any problems.
Now, this is the downside of the whole feature- the negative part.
Low Karma, such as anything beyond -5 actually, may show a bad impression on another user. While, without this feature you could take the time to learn to know this member, then 'judge' them, now with the feature still intact most people would just glance at they're Karma, and judge them by that number.
I wasn't sure weither or not to put this in the Input box- I probaly should of but I'm not exactly sure, but this is my opinion on the Karma feature.
Really, what I'm saying is that I want it gone, or, this would also please the people that use the feature and enjoy it-
Possibly letting one have the ability to disable and able it? Disabling it would make your Karma invisable to other users, until you able it.
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This discussion have been up several times on the forum in the past, but also the same suggestion has been given. The problem with this suggestion that it's not possible to set up due to limited customization. Either it's opt in, or out for everyone. We even had a forum poll a while back asking if we should keep it or not, and as it seemed then even with the issues we used to have, users voted for.
Now I do understand why some would want this function removed, and it could be due to abuse and no one would really want to have negative karma on their profile, but in all honesty this issue of users abusing the karma system has been drastically reduced due to some recent changes of who and when you are able to bite/nuzzle.
There has been some discussions(more for funsies), to change this whole karma idea to another word like "Floof" just to change the meaning around some making it less familiar back in the users head. But as it goes with any sort of gain/loss function in general, users want and feel good if they manage to get that little nuzzle, but it's always something.
In general I can see just as many users unhappy with it gone as those that might not like it around and in person, I'd be a bit conservative regarding this since we've been running this function since the launch of the forum and it has gotten a lot better compared to how it used to look.
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i always kive a "nuzzle" karma to members in the intro section that intro themselves and they took the time to try to mingle and get to know the community and i applaude them for that
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Well I think I set the world record for most negative karma In feral heart. It's still dropping! I'm hated by so many people! Heck yeah! i would love the karma thing removed! its making people judge me!
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Oi yes, i totally agree with this idea, as you can see i have low karma, and all ive done is help people xD I do not think there is a way people can shut it off... although, they may be able to set the karma to make sure it cant go lower then 0. This could solve some problems within the forums. ^^
~Rawy
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Well I think I set the world record for most negative karma In feral heart. It's still dropping! I'm hated by so many people! Heck yeah! i would love the karma thing removed! its making people judge me!
Your Karma is probably going down because of your comment on the thread about the sexual behavior, telling the "rapists" to keep doing what they want and that people can't stop them. That's always an excellent way to lose your karma.
Also the person with the lowest Karma I believe has over -70 karma, after sending death threats to people in a group that didn't accept her purple dog into a realistic pack.
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well to me it seems like an unfair judgement on people say for example they have an argument on the forum and one of the people decide the next few weeks to give -karma thats 14 days of negitivity when that person has done nothing wrong to anyone else but 1 person can destroy the rep so it looks bad to everyone else and you cant even tell who is doing it or why so a troll can come on make a fake account and give 57 people negitive karma each day and no one will know who is doing it
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You cannot bite or nuzzle as you could before. Not only do you need to be registered, but you also need a certain post count before getting this option. So making fake accounts to abuse it will not work.
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Just to share, if you suspect a certain person or group of people are attacking your Karma, you can always talk to a mod or admin. Back before I was a mod I had my karma attacked by a certain individual and the mod team was very efficient at solving the problem and putting in place new safeguards to prevent it from happening again.
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I've never liked this feature.
It's only purpose, in my POV, is to stroke people's egos. It differentiates people in most users' eyes, just by looking at their karma to assess their standing with the community; and judging them accordingly.
I'm not sure about everyone else, but I'd prefer it if everyone was equal. Some users, upon being 'attacked', may not decide to report. They may even become intimidated, and stay off the forums all together because of it.
I'm also curious about Tigg's profile. As far as I can see, there is no karma option. I'm unfamiliar with this forum base, so I'm unaware of how things work. But if a user is having their karma 'attacked' - couldn't they opt for the same profile as Tigg, upon 'special' request, or am I missing something here?
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The problem with this suggestion that it's not possible to set up due to limited customization. Either it's opt in, or out for everyone.
And yet it is for Tigg? I don't think so necessarily. I can /see/ the karma option, but it seems to have stayed at a constant rate throughout the times she's been back. Always 0.
I think this may be like it is on other forums, where staff are allowed to alter the karma of users, and perhaps there's an 0 stuck in there that's meant to stay. So, maybe it is possible to alter, but with the amount of users, could be troublesome to do so?
Regardless of what's causing it, it seems possible based on this user's karma count. How is another thing.
And I somewhat agree on purpose by sock. Ego stroking. I think that's a good definition. Of course, it /could/ represent how helpful a user is and the like, how they're viewed, but likewise, has its negatives. Because the karma option can be used more for just biting people over things such as bad statements or opinions people don't agree on. It could be completely biased based on previous induced statements, or an opinion of a person.
Think there could be some other kind of system on a user's "helpfulness" but I've no suggestions to what it could be.
Regardless, I don't really care if it stays or goes.
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It doesn't change it being only an opt in or out option for the forum cloud. The reason I think why Tigg has 0 in karma is because they've "somewhat" glitched the karma counter by using administrative powers, so even if someone bites or nuzzles no changes will show. This is something done on their profile though and not really an option as any user can use nor something that can be done on everyone that wants it this way.
Also it's no wonder that if someone comes on the forum and point out how stupid all game rules are as they write rude posts and get back on the negative, and then want their karma reset/glitched. Though if someone would show clear signs on getting their karma abused even though they actually behave well and follow the rules, then of course we would try anything to sort this out for them. But these cases are nothing that show up too often.
If ego stroking is the case it honestly seems like it's the word itself "Karma" that is getting over peoples head. And in that case it should be changed to something else with less importance, and it's leaning towards that at this moment.
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Honestly, karma numbers shouldn't be taken personally unless you've done something rude, mocked someone, behaved inappropriately, or you were just plain mean.
Especially not if you feel like someone is purposely hitting bite.
It may be an old enemy, or someone that is jealous of you having so much karma. If it really begins to bother you and you are constantly being bitten for no reason, then you should contact a staff member. I highly recommend it, and I'm sure they will find out who does it and solve the problem for you. :)
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I rarely pay attention to the Karma Meter. I may give somebody a Nuzzle if I feel like they did something especially nice or helpful, but otherwise I don't even look at it.
I wouldn't really feel like my world was shattered if Karma stayed the same or was taken away, but I like Red's suggestion of simply changing the name. The word 'Karma' sounds way too serious for a trivial little feature on a game's forum website, and I can see why such a name would cause some problems.
@Coony!: You have Jungle Emperor Leo as your avatar! That alone deserves a Nuzzle. :3
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Hmm another suggestion that i may put out there is maybe if you absolutely had to "bite" someones karma, each time you do, a box pops up asking you why you did. Some people in the forums may not like that person because of very stupid and immature ways, so they bite them, which is pretty unacceptable. So this idea may minimize how much biting is going around. Although, for nuzzling, there will be no box that pops up.
Each time your submit the reason you "bit" the person, it would go to your inbox, from there, if it is a very stupid reason you could screenie it, and report it. This is only a suggestion, and it may cause many arguments between which ideas are stupid. This idea does take a lot of work also. Only a suggestion for you guyz.
(lol did you know that my last post got me a bite? <.< page 1. What did i do? nothing :3)
~Rawy
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Nice idea, Raw. ^^
It just may work.
Yes, Abomine, yes I do.
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Wow, so many replies, I thought this thread was done for after Red posted!
I'm also rather happy that the word 'Karma' has been changed to 'Floof-o-Meter'.
It's much cuter~</3 and it somewhat partially solves this problem!
@Raw
Your idea is brilliant! Though it may not be possible, due to customization options, which also prevents us from the whole 'One doesn't want it, doesn't get it. One wants it, gets it' idea.
(Weird title there Soul O3O)
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I don't like the karma count that much, here's the reason; people abuse and randomly click bite to lower your karma on purpose. That's what pisses me off. I rather choose to remove the karma count so nobody can't get attacked.
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Old and irrelevant post is old and irrelevant now that we have teh Floof-O-Meter. Lockingz.