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Game & Forum Discussion => Game Discussion => Topic started by: Squee on April 16, 2016, 08:20:34 pm

Title: "Go back to Bonfire" Vent warning.
Post by: Squee on April 16, 2016, 08:20:34 pm
Hey there, Feral-heartians.

Today I have something very important to discuss with you! I know it's a topic
many people tend to avoid but I'm sure I'm not the only one thinking this anymore.

This, my friends, is about the "Go back to Bonfire" debacle.

How would a Veteran Feral-hearter describe Bonfire? In one word, chaotic.

And it's inhabitants? Let's just place them into classes (y'know because everyone loves doin' that!)
Noobs, Newbs, Mate-beggers, Parent-beggers, illiterates, trolls, TLK fanatics, drama-llamas (the list could go on!)

Now, people that frequent Bonfire Island know these descriptions aren't necessarily true
for every inhabitant of that map. Usernames like @skreel were often seen frequenting Bonfire Island
and they did not fit into any of those classes. Funnily enough, we could even make a joke about how
'rare' it is (apparently) to find anyone that majority of Fluorite's inhabitants call "Literate". It would go
something like this.

"What do you call a Literate on Bonfire?"
"Lost."

Why do you think that is? I remember the days when there was no such thing as Lonely Cave and the
first thing a new character or user would awaken to was the VIBRANT island of bonfire! And I swear by
you, had I not been tossed into the Bonfire Barrel, I would never have been the player I am today. I
know some of you are probably thinking "That's not a good thing." having probably met me in one of
my more argumentative states. In fact, I'm 90% sure this will result in a user taking everything out of
context, like things usually go when I try get a point across.

My REAL question is, WHAT IS SO WRONG WITH BONFIRE ISLAND?

Why is it that EVERY SINGLE TIME someone does something that's considered different to the majority of
Fluorite's frequenters, someone is bound to pipe up "Go back to Bonfire". Whenever someone is not nearly
as literate as people at Stone Bridge, or as 'Ancient' and 'Wise' they're told to go to Bonfire. Why is it that
Fluorite cannot tolerate the idea of a 'Pup center' or 'Mate Center' without immediately thinking 'Bonfire'?
Why can Lion King roleplayers not frequent the lovely Fluorite map without being told off at least once by
someone who feels they're not worthy enough for Fluorite so they belong on Bonfire.

We're a community game guys. Why do you make people /different/ to you feel like they don't belong in the
same map as you? Why the heck are maps classified to certain types anyway? Ascension - Hetelia(?) Ficho (Russians/
Polish/Pokemon) Bonfire - Noob Central. When did that become a thing?

Yes, Ficho hosts most of the Russian and Polish users of Feralheart, but that does not mean that it is solely a
Russian/Polish place, and so whenever someone of that 'class' steps out of their map, they're casually guided
or rudely told to go back. I don't understand it?

A lot of the arguments that I've seen happen on Stone Bridge and have sometimes been a part of, will
somehow always, at some stage, reach a point where someone is accused of being derogatory of something.
Whether it's race, gender, sexual orientation etc... Not very friendly topics for a game that, let's face it, has
some rather young people on. Not very friendly for a game that strives to be welcoming of everyone. Anyway,
during these arguments it will always come up about how someone CAN'T say/do this or it's derogatory towards
this/that. People get extremely passionate in these discussions and will continue to go on about how wrong it is.

Bare with me, I spend a lot of time on this game and I'm very good with remembering users and characters. So
it never ceases to amaze me, that I see the same users that preached anti-hate towards blah blah blah, telling a
user, different to themselves, to "Go back to Bonfire"? Why can that illiterate person not stay in Fluorite? What
harm are they doing? Do you think they're going to infect you with their inability to utilize more than one
sentence in an RP sample? Is it that serious?

I hope some of you are realizing where this is going! "Go back to Bonfire" is basically being derogatory to certain
types of users. Something that so many users on Feralheart preach against yet fail to uphold. Look, I understand
where some of you are coming from, "It'll be easier to find people of their own 'level' sort of thing" but still, that
shouldn't be something we resort to.

I'll admit, I used to do it quite often, until an argument I had about 2 years ago where someone actually told me
how contradictory I was being. It hit me. It's not right. Now, the only time I ever send someone to Bonfire is if they
ask me where they could find something like a "Horse Roleplay" or a "Mate Center" because yes, they are about 100%
more likely to find things of that nature there. Why? Because they're forced there.

I did an experiment using a very old account of mine the one day, I was pretending to be a 'Noob' and not even
the annoying sort, I was probably told, in total, about 13 times to go to Bonfire, and only about 4 of those were
in a gentle manner, where a user probably believed I was struggling and wanted me to make friends that wouldn't
be pretentious and use words like "Tassle" or "Flag" for Tail. 9 of those 13 times, I was told in the rudest of ways
to go away, go to Bonfire, because I tried to participate.

I'm invoked to make this post because today after a heated discussion gone wrong, where I was amazingly accused
of being derogatory towards myself, I was told to "Go to Bonfire". Guess I missed "Logical" in the list of people that
supposedly "belong" there. And here I thought, "How ironic" that someone just told me not to be derogatory towards
a certain ideal (of which I belong to) and then proceeded to class me in with the regular crowd that are often thrown
Bonfire's way.

I don't think people understand that it's actually a bad thing! We tell people to go to Bonfire because they're not literate
or they're behaving immaturely etc... but never stop to think, "What would that be like?" It's basically like being sent to
a Warzone because you like Apples and not Bananas.

Guys, Bonfire is actually an AMAZING place. I frequent there, and I meet so many amazing people there, from all kinds
of 'Feralheart classes', like "Newbs" and "illiterates". I have heard many stories about how people ended up there. And
majority don't point to random exploration, it points to things like them being forced out of roleplays in Fluorite, being
told they belonged there because they weren't 'Literate' etc... etc... I don't think many people realize that they are
sending people that are absolutely gorgeous and flawless characters in real life, to an Island that many of the Veteran
or more so-called 'High end' players deem as a loony-bin.

Just because someone Trolls, doesn't mean they're immature, sometimes people do something because they simply want
to have fun.

Just because I "typ lyk diz" or roleplay like "-Bob went to sleep- -Bob had a good dream-" doesn't mean I'm not good enough
to be considered literate.

Just because I want to find a mate for my character or a home for my pup doesn't mean I'm desperate and annoying. You
know, Pup Centers limit the chances of woe-is-me backstories that we've all seen and heard THOUSANDS OF TIMES. You're
not so original because your parents died.

Stop assuming everyone is!

I have met some of the best people, some of my closest in-game friends on Bonfire Island. And let me tell you, they didn't
want to discuss politics with me, they didn't befriend me over how literate I was. We bonded because we were comfortable.
We were able to talk about things like our least favourite cheese and not feel like we were being criticized for our lack of
'intelligent' conversation, which HAPPENS. I don't even think some of you realize you do it!

If Fluorite is the high-end upperclass neighbourhood of the game, where everyone drives a fancy Mercedes and goes to
the Country Club to play some golf, then Bonfire is that small, overlooked neighbourhood where everyone knows
everyone, there's a crazy uncle, a grumpy old man and a lady that always bakes pies for the children and tells them
stories. Bonfire is the neighbourhood where everyone can go to one house for a BBQ and have a good night without
feeling out of place.

Everyone there is so different and that's why they mesh so well together! To the untrained eye it's utter chaos, but to those
who look deeper, they'll find that it's super organized chaos. Yes, there will be fights. But there are fights over lesser things
that happen in Fluorite yet most people there think they're 'above' Bonfire.

Listen closely. BONFIRE IS THE MOST HUMBLE MAP IN THE GAME!

They are cast aside when they try make friends with people from Fluorite, but they never once sit around and tell anyone
different from them at Bonfire to "Go back to Fluorite", they try befriend them and make them feel welcome. Something
Fluoritians could learn.

So next time you're thinking "Go back to Bonfire" try have a discussion with that person, BE FRIENDLY, you might find
you'll have a pretty great friend at the end of it. And whenever you feel you're superior to anybody in-game, go and take
a walk to Bonfire, sit there for a moment, and I hope you feel bad for ever thinking you were better than those people.

Just remember, Bonfire is where this game started, we all came from there, by virtual blood we are all Bonfirians. Even
those who are new to Feralheart.

"Go to Bonfire" should no longer seem like an insult to people's intelligence, "Go to Bonfire" should seem like they're
giving you some of the greatest, life-changing advice, "Go to Bonfire" shouldn't be said with malice and hate anymore.
It should be said in a manner that's friendly and not contradictory.

We all started somewhere, not one of us can claim that we have never been through a stage where someone could
tell us to "Go back to Bonfire", so stop acting like your fleas don't bite just because theirs do.

Thank you.

Squee out.

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PLEASE NOTE (for some of you that want to fight and argue and find fault)

- Not every patron of Bonfire can be classified as stated above. I'm not saying they're all like that.
- I'm not saying all Fluoritians are pretentious.
- I'm not saying "noobs" can't survive in Fluorite
- I'm not saying Bonfirians are all stupid
- I'm not saying all Fluoritians are smart.
- I'm not saying all Fluoritians are mean.
- I'm not saying all Bonfirians are good.

You get the point.

I'm not going to have any arguments with anyone over this post. THIS IS MY OPINION ENTIRELY AND I AM ENTITLED
TO IT LIKE YOU ARE ENTITLED TO YOURS. Don't come here and tell me my opinion is wrong because you don't see it the
same way. If you haven't seen this happen, that's good for you, doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

I WILL NOT FIGHT WITH ANYONE, DO NOT TRY AND FIGHT WITH ME.

KEEP THIS DISCUSSION PLEASANT, AND FRIENDLY, DON'T LET ANYONE TELL YOU TO "GO BACK TO BONFIRE"

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P.P.S

If you do something considered "Bonfirian" and someone tells you to "Go back to Bonfire" how about you tell them to
go back to *insert whatever map name here*.

Bonfirians. You are beautiful.

Fluoritians. You are beautiful.

PEACE OUT.

Title: Re: "Go back to Bonfire" Vent warning.
Post by: CeramicSoul on April 16, 2016, 08:38:25 pm
0___0 I find that so true.

You see I spend most of my time in either Fluorite or bonfire. And I do see people like that.
Title: Re: "Go back to Bonfire" Vent warning.
Post by: Spottedbears on April 16, 2016, 09:07:16 pm
Title: Re: "Go back to Bonfire" Vent warning.
Post by: Kerriki on April 16, 2016, 09:17:37 pm
Welp, there it is

Even though I never experienced the whole "go back to Bonfire" deal or have really seen it anywhere, I can see exactly what you mean. However, I've seen plenty of "younger player" groups up in Northern Fluorite and there are many "literate" people who hang out in Southern Bonfire. This of course is no excuse for the discrimination there is for the young players/nubs, but sometimes they do fit in. I've seen some kind group leaders in the past who allow any "literacy", and will happily teach the younger members how to become a better roleplayer. There are lots of snobbish people in the game, but there are also lots of kind and patient people. I've always loved Bonfire because most people there are really sweet, and it also gets really fun and crazy there sometimes<3 (Like, really, who doesn't enjoy seeing a random car running around?) As much good as there is in the game, there is bad, but all communities face this problem. The younger players have every right to sit in Fluorite (or any other map) if they wish to do so, and I agree, they shouldn't be told to leave because they appear "nubby". Not much can be done about this issue because there's discrimination everywhere, even in the real world, and getting people to change is certainly no walk in the park. However, if you ever see someone being excessively rude towards a younger player (or really any harassment in general, for that matter), silently screenshot the conversation and report them

I can totally see what you mean, and never be afraid to stand up to a younger player if they're getting "yelled at" and don't be afraid to talk to them afterwards. Just simple acts of kindness can go a long way! You never know, you could totally make that fluff's day and give them a better impression of the community, especially if they're new. Bonfire is a wonderful and crazy map, and is part of a lot of people, and it truly is a shame that it has this "stereotype" now, but it's probably one of the kindest maps and is certainly the most social

I see possible issues with this thread, but I'll leave it open for now. This is pretty interesting, and kudos to you, Squee, for having the guts to post this
Title: Re: "Go back to Bonfire" Vent warning.
Post by: yourlocalcrow on April 16, 2016, 09:23:37 pm
I honestly could not agree with this post more.

I have seen a few of those "Literate pup looking for parent" movies in Flourite, and I'm 100% positive that they got at least one "Go back to Bonfire" whispers. I will admit, when I was a bit younger, I would think some of them to be parent-beggars, but never tell them. I do hope that more people see this.

The FH class of roleplayers called "illiterate" are everywhere, not just Bonfire. Quite recently, my group was listening in on a roleplay to see if they were a literate group that could be in on our plot, and two "illiterates" were fighting a "literate." Of course, we left when we were noticed, but this just goes to show that "illiterates" are everywhere.

Why is "illiterate" derogatory, as well? It is their style of roleplay, and while sometimes is in incomplete sentences where the dictionary definition is 100% accurate, if someone roleplays like "-She pounced on the mouse-", they are still saying what they did. Just because it's not in prose doesn't mean you can't still tell a story.
Title: Re: "Go back to Bonfire" Vent warning.
Post by: hugrf2 on April 16, 2016, 09:25:55 pm
"If Fluorite is the high-end upperclass neighbourhood of the game, where everyone drives a fancy Mercedes and goes to
the Country Club to play some golf, then Bonfire is that small, overlooked neighbourhood where everyone knows
everyone, there's a crazy uncle, a grumpy old man and a lady that always bakes pies for the children and tells them
stories. Bonfire is the neighbourhood where everyone can go to one house for a BBQ and have a good night without
feeling out of place."

Very well said. Although personally, I never really noticed people saying this that much, me not being so active and hanging out in Bonfire 99% of the time. It really is quite a nice place, though, since it's small and you can see a lot of what's going on. In Flourite, it's very spread out. You can have more private rps and stuff without many people coming across you. But honestly, I kind of like the small space on Bonfire more. All I can do is just sit down, invite my friends to a party, turn off Local, and rp and talk with them that way. Or maybe just whisper and turn off Local.

But anyway, because I haven't seen this happen a whole lot, I'm not sure if I should, or even could form a full opinion. (Unless you're talking about ignorance in general. //rolls up sleeves// BL) One thing I think why things seem to be so separated, though, is just simply the fact we're human beings. Young human beings, at that, since there's definitely a lot of teenagers and kids on this game who might not know any better than not to "stereotype", for lack of better word. ^^' I'm pretty young myself, and who knows, even I might accidentally stereotype/group sometimes. Even older people may. But I just think that maybe, the older might think better for it. Some of them.

The point is, though, is that people do often tend to group people together. Sometimes I can kind of see why, /depending on what they're grouping/, (Again, for lack of better word Dx) but sometimes it's kind of strange. Like stuff like this especially.

I don't quite get why people in this community separate everything so much. (Not all of them, again, but they definitely exist as you guys mentioned.) What's going on? At least there are some people, perhaps even more than one might realize, who are better than that. I appreciate that. When I was illiterate, people stuck up for me in front of a whole group before. I will never forget what they did.
Title: Re: "Go back to Bonfire" Vent warning.
Post by: Squee on April 16, 2016, 09:37:37 pm
Quote from: Kikiorylandia on April 16, 2016, 09:17:37 pm
I see possible issues with this thread, but I'll leave it open for now. This is pretty interesting, and kudos to you, Squee, for having the guts to post this

Thank you! I really don't want to step on toes but I really need more people to understand this concept. I couldn't just continue to watch good people get treated terribly.
Title: Re: "Go back to Bonfire" Vent warning.
Post by: Sheebiee on April 16, 2016, 09:50:24 pm
Oh yeah, I find it so true. Actually I was thinking about it many times. I am Polish and sometimes I go to Ficho, because some of my friends like to be there. But we don't consider it as an "Our place". Nice thread ^^ You had to write much xD
Title: Re: "Go back to Bonfire" Vent warning.
Post by: ArcticGalaxy on April 16, 2016, 09:55:34 pm
This really hit home with me. I never ever though of it that way. Granted, I never, EVER called anyone "illiterate" or called them "Noobs" on FH itself, but like, I'll be in a skype call, and the minute someone starts begging for a mate/parents, or can't spell everything correctly, I will automatically go "Oh god, another illiterate noob!" And I need to stop doing that, even if they don't know I'm doing it. I myself used to be a noob, a mate begger, and heck, I still type like a 1st grader, so I have no place to say ANYTHING. This post really hit me, and now I look back at all the people I made fun of, and for that, I am sorry. You are absolutely right when you say all of these things. FeralHeart should be on big family, not like an normal public school with "cliques"(is that how you spell that? Probably not.) We should all be glad to be a part of this community, and we should welcome everyone with open arms. We shouldn't discriminate others. Heck, if anything, everyone on FH can learn something from the next person. I have met some of the sweetest people on Bonfire, and I consider them my closest friends. Without Bonfire, I probably wouldn't have the friends I do now. This is why I stay on Bonfire 90% of the time. Because once I think about it, it really is like a family reunion there. Dysfunctional some fights, so drama, but in the end, even if the others don't agree, we are all one. If other people see this, maybe they will get to thinking about it.

*rolls away*
Title: Re: "Go back to Bonfire" Vent warning.
Post by: Wyldercat on April 17, 2016, 02:40:19 am
I must agree. Honestly telling someone that they "belong in Bonfire" is a common example of a place being used as an insult. Yes, there is a fairly large population of younger, "cringier" members due to its easy access and TLK resemblance, but it's just a place, and so are Flourite, Ficho and South Pole. It's a bit similar to the "go back to playing bots" insult in pvp video games in the way it's used, and I don't particularly like seeing it.
Title: Re: "Go back to Bonfire" Vent warning.
Post by: TheOneAndOnlyy on April 17, 2016, 05:47:47 am
I have read every single word of your post, and I got to admit I'm rather impressed that you had the guts to make this a discussion. I myself tend to stay in Fluorite most of the time, however I like to roam around every single map FH has, including Atlantis and Last Cave. I enjoy observing and speaking with all types of people, so roaming from one map to the next to see what everyone is doing is something that I like to do. However, there has been many times, not just in FH, nor the matter of "Go back to Bonfire" where I see people discriminating others because of the way they are. I myself have been one of those victims many times in school for many different reasons, and I know once when your stuck with people looking at you with an already made up preference of you, it is hard to break away from that.

I myself do not do such things, nor specifically ask people to "Go to Bonfire" just because of the way they speak or roleplay because I know from experience that it is unfair. For example, I was sitting near Stone Bridge with my OOC, when a user with a pup character came and asked if anyone would like to adopt them. Not many people replied, and those that did seemed to look down on them. I spoke up and said something like "I think you'd have a better chance of getting adopted in Bonfire Island, they have Adoption Centers there all the time."

Note I did not specifically ask them to go to Bonfire just cause they wanted to be adopted, I was only trying to help them get what they wanted. However, then they said something like this.

"Why does no one here want a child? You're so heartless."

This kind of made me sad, cause from other situations I have seen, some people in Fluorite do seem heartless cause they ignore or mock people that "belong in Bonfire"

This is where I explained to them that people in Fluorite enjoy to get mates during Roleplay, and then have children in Roleplay as well, however this didn't seem to particularly get through to them, causing them to say a few rude things before leaving.

I do find this rather sad however, cause even though I was trying to help, it didn't seem to break away that preference that "Fluorite is only for literates, and they are mean, etc etc." to that particular person.

Anyways, so I don't end up going on my endless rambles xD I'm glad that someone like you put this thread out there for people to talk about, cause I've seen things like this happen way to many times before. I know for certain that things such as degrading others and bullying will not stop, cause well... kids are mean XD But those like me that do not think anyone is better than anyone else, or bully and look down on those who are not exactly like them, I admire and appreciate.
Title: Re: "Go back to Bonfire" Vent warning.
Post by: -WhereSunRises- on April 17, 2016, 08:27:56 am
So true! When I frst came to FH I was someting abou 12 years old :P Hell yeah, I was illiterate ( and Iam still XD ) and unexperienced member of the community. It really bugged me. Every time I wanted to join a Roleplay I was told that Iam not good enough, that I don't fit in their needs. Do you guys know how much It hurts some people? SHUT up and help those newbies! You once used to be like them! Do you really want to discourage young players who thought they might have fun on the game? Again, shut up and give them their rightful space. I know It may be looking weird when others talk like: "Never again!" Said the lonely brute as he trotted towards giant forest. His eyes were full of sorrow and grief. And some might Rp like: "OMG!" I say and sit down. I know, I know. May be weird but remember one thing, one day, It MIGHT BE THEM, WHO WILL TELL YOU YOU DON'T FIT IN! Be friendly and polite, they will be grateful. I've never asked for a Rp sample, I helped with downloading maps, I created free presets. All that becouse I wanted to help. Now these people are around me, we still play together. They learned to make their own presets, maps, even videos. Not to mention they are better than me :) Now Iam the one, asking for their help. I was in fact once thinking If there could be a rule that would prevent players from discrimination becouse of literacy. Eg. Rp samples can not be asked, Or someting that would give newbies better chance. I would love to see rule against "picking members of the groups". Simply said, everyone can be in any group with anyone. Thanks.
Title: Re: "Go back to Bonfire" Vent warning.
Post by: Hakumi on April 17, 2016, 10:09:46 am
- Le Nuzzles , Pandeer Sticker To le Snout - ?

Sad that this happens just about everywhere where there's classifications over matters like this...Unfortunately that's just how the world likes to function it seems. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and such and what you see as something that isn't wrong...might be right in the others' eyes. Not saying that I disagree with what you said ( because I'm fairly open minded and I can understand where you're coming from even though I've never really encountered this problem ) but I can understand how bad it can get. Things like this can escalate and it should be pretty much important that everyone should have the right to truly be themselves and not feel bad about how others view them. That alone can bring someone's self-esteem down and such and make them question everything about life.

As stated above no less, if someone has a problem...instead of rude or snide comments, they should at least try and get to know the character first at least or just simply ignore / move to a different location and just...try not to get involved unless it was dire. Other than that, everyone pretty much has the right to be on whatever map and communicate however they want ( as long as they're respecting the rules and such of course ) because that's how they enjoy themselves as well as the game. This community is supposed to be welcoming and a pretty good place. Probably even a chance to escape the busy lives that everyone may or may not have. They don't need to be discriminated anymore than usual and they don't need to be labeled and such or told what to do ( again , unless it's dire ).

So kudos for you, for posting this. This is a really interesting topic nonetheless. ?
Title: Re: "Go back to Bonfire" Vent warning.
Post by: chromatic on April 17, 2016, 10:03:23 pm
I agree with every fiber of my being.

Now I'm fairly inactive, and I have never personally witnessed this, I do find this to be a problem that people do this at all. I have experienced this somewhat in my past though. I first joined Feral-Heart when I was 11, and I wasn't too shabby at roleplaying, but I wasn't good either. I would try to start conversations with people in Flourite, but most either ignored me, or shot down my opinions, rather rudely. It seemed the only place I could make friends was in Bonfire, so that's where I had spent most of my time in the past. Don't get me wrong, I have met some amazing people there, and had some memorable experiences. I agree wholeheartedly with the neighborhood analogy. As I started to reach out into Flourite, and join roleplays, I really didn't meet people like that again. I'm thinking I just had some bad luck that day. Recently, I haven't really seen people like that, but it saddens me to know that this supposedly welcome community has some bad apples.
Title: Re: "Go back to Bonfire" Vent warning.
Post by: TheOneAndOnlyy on April 18, 2016, 12:17:00 am
Quote from: Floofle on April 17, 2016, 10:03:23 pm
Recently, I haven't really seen people like that, but it saddens me to know that this supposedly welcome community has some bad apples.

Well, there is always bad apples in a community, that's what makes the world what and who it is, and will most likely never change. It's our job as the welcoming members of the community to make everyone feel at home nevertheless. One random act of kindness can make someone's whole day after all.
Title: Re: "Go back to Bonfire" Vent warning.
Post by: bunnylions on April 19, 2016, 12:19:32 am
Now. When I go to Fluorite and Bonfire (Mostly Bonfire, Fluorite once), I often see things on the chat that I know are wrong to say. As much as I think those places are in fact good for meeting new people, I go when I'm ready to take a risk. According to your description, they seem like great places but yes there are problems.
Title: Re: "Go back to Bonfire" Vent warning.
Post by: hellensilverwolf on April 19, 2016, 10:49:53 pm
We should make a map called "Hell" and tell people to go there.

It must be a real cool place tho
Title: Re: "Go back to Bonfire" Vent warning.
Post by: Rostova on April 19, 2016, 11:30:10 pm
My eyes feel strange from reading that now lol

Every now and then I hear somebody say "go back to bonfire" and I always feel bad for the person it's being said to. I go to bonfire all the time (as well as fluorite) and in both places, i feel right at home.

In bonfire im included in conversations much more, every time i butt into a conversation, they accept me and I end up getting good friends. But in fluorite people aren't usually as willing. Now that's what I've seen before, it's probably changed, but whatever.

I agree, people should stop saying "go back to bonfire" in such a harsh way. Bonfire is a great and happy place but most people don't see it.

But they should.

In bonfire you will almost always fit in, due to the large diversity of people. While in fluorite you need to be considered "literate enough". If somebody every told me to "go back to bonfire"  i would be happy to.

Don't be ashamed bonfireans

Fluorite has it all wrong

~Wolfwaffles
Title: Re: "Go back to Bonfire" Vent warning.
Post by: FelFeyn on April 21, 2016, 01:02:12 pm
Bonfire is like the melting pot of FH. You get all sorts of people, opinions, skill level, and background all in one rather small area, and things can start to get(understandably) chaotic... but that's part of Bonfire's charm.
There's almost always something going on, and the only time there's a lull in the chaos is in the mid-morning hours, around 3-7am(my time, anyway). For me, both of those times have their charm. The buzz of activity during the day ensures there's always something interesting for me to watch, and the downtime gives me time to relax and kick up a nice, casual conversation with someone. Heck, one time, I even had a rather in-depth discussion about the need to understand the anatomy and abilities of the creature you are being, and how you can flesh it out/learn more about it to make rping with it more fun and engaging. It was a really engaging conversation, and I enjoyed it immensely!
Yes, you can get the younger players, you can get the troublemakers, you can get people without the best grasp of spelling/punctuation, and you can get plenty of people who speak little to no English- but that's because everyone is welcome and participate there. Not just the "idiots" or "noobs" as many like to call them(and they really aren't, anyway- a little help can go a long way!), but people who have majored in writing, people who are just learning to write short stories, people who are/are not native English speakers- anyone.

Anyone who tells someone "Go back to Bonfire" really hasn't experienced the joy and wonder it can bring. Bonfire is where I've met many of my close friends, and where I continue to spend time and make even more friends. ...plus, we have marshmallows c;
Title: Re: "Go back to Bonfire" Vent warning.
Post by: DarkLustyHumor on June 07, 2016, 02:34:48 am
To be honest I've never really found anything wrong with bonfire other than the lag. Yes it's become an area for some inappropriate behavior but that's just something that happens all over FH, even if it's more prevalent in Bonfire than other places. An issue that has come to my attention is when people seem to find ways to be offended by anything, it's often best to let things pass by. An insult can only be a true insult if you let it get to you (With exceptions that are more severe) Telling someone that they should go back to a place that you have no issues with shouldn't really be an insult. Not everyone is going to like something and it is true that Bonfire can be overwhelming. I personally like it because I feel like I can be free to just derp around there and join in on the derpiness. Sometimes it's best to just realize that people will always find something bad to talk about a place, or will always try to find something to say to insult you. The best thing is to not let it get to you. Just because some people don't like Bonfire, it doesn't mean that everyone doesn't and it wont ruin it for those who do like it, and if it does then it's more of an easily influenced issue. In the end some "insults" or things such as this should just be pushed aside because it really doesn't have to effect anything and wont cause extreme issues. Choose your battles, some people just want to cause trouble for entertainment. It's like being called a child, is there really anything wrong with being a child? Heck there are smart children out there such as child prodigies, it all really is just based on how you take it. 
Title: Re: "Go back to Bonfire" Vent warning.
Post by: Kuri on June 07, 2016, 10:31:36 am
The insular folk of Fluorite plains have never told me that, yet. 
But i like bonfire island, its hilarious.  Like one of those crossroads with the donkey carts, scooters, bicycles and big trucks all avoiding crashes with each other.  A chaos that works out ok in the end.  And i like it.
Title: Re: "Go back to Bonfire" Vent warning.
Post by: Reaper on June 07, 2016, 12:32:04 pm
I honestly agree with you XD
Title: Re: "Go back to Bonfire" Vent warning.
Post by: AngryGayFish on June 10, 2016, 01:49:22 pm
I honestly agree. Even though the new update kinda ruins this beautiful vent(sorry Red ^^;). It honestly made me tear up a bit, because when I was in a bad mood one day and a new player approached me, I told them to "go back to Bonfire". So I honestly feel bad.

But, I see "edgy" chars in FP, and the new FP recruiting for lit groups. I read some of their bios. And 
seeing something like; "Bares the genitalia of a ___" Makes me disgusted. Not trying to be Immature, but is it really necessary?

Going back on my Edgy lit recruiting chars.. Some of their groups have Edgy names and we join them. But what about some newby groups that are doing the same thing? Why don't we join them? Is it because they are illit? So what? I honestly think joining them makes them feel better, and we can teach them to become 'better'. If they don't accept it, accept their choice.

Sorry for my own vent..
Title: Re: "Go back to Bonfire" Vent warning.
Post by: bomarbones on June 12, 2016, 11:45:42 pm
This is so true! It's horrible how our community is being treated this way. Absolute outrage. All of you people who got told this, step up and say no. You are free to go wherever you want. Don't let anyone change who you are, or boss you around. I will be on the forum a lot, So chat to me if you want. If you are lonely, sad, left out, or just bored go ahead! I am your person! Have fun out there and tell them straight back to go back to bonfire as well. Just for being so immature over nothing. ^^ Just don't forget i'm here for ya'll. See ya!
Title: Re: "Go back to Bonfire" Vent warning.
Post by: GlaydrChyle on June 13, 2016, 12:04:26 am
I frequently discuss the topic on illiteracy in gaming. Someone who's spent too much time around other people and gathering their opinions on one subject has come to learn nothing much at all; as everyone's idea's and beliefs regarding the term "Literate" are completely different to one-another.

The term to me seemingly means someone who can't read or write and has poor knowledge on the English language. Syntax (Which is the formation of words within a given context) has nothing to do with it what-so-ever.

Someone however who tends to use asterisks in role-plays tend to be dubbed more so as lazy with the term "Illiterate" being an umbrella term. It's the same as calling someone fat or ugly. Fat is a term used for both itself and the term ugly: same goes for here.

Though of course not all who use this form are lazy at all, it's just their style and I find it quite unique.

Great topic! <3