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Alright, now that I've put a smile on everyone's faces, it's time to get down to business. Not to defeat the Huns (is that how you spell it? God I dunno, I should have listened in history better.) but to defeat what has befallen our beloved games.
I've seen what's been going on the last few days. And it's awful. It's sad. I'm watching everything I love crumble before me. But guys, it doesn't have to be that way.
No. I'm not saying "Well, don't play FH if you can't handle it! Just go to FHU!" because no, that is not going to solve the problem. I agree with many of the people that have been posting. I have for years. I used to be someone, if any of you even still remember, that would speak out against the staff myself. I did it in the worst way possible, but I've learned from my mistakes.
Do I agree with the horrible things being flung at the staff in the surveys by rouges that just want to troll. Not. At. All. The people doing that are disgusting human beings and should be ashamed of themselves and never be allowed on FH or FHU if they could ever be found. However, I do not agree with how things have been handled by staff. Things should have been different.
xSpirit's post should not have been removed. It is true what Ressy did say, how people could have come to seek help and have been led astray, but, that person also could have the option to message someone for help too. TO be guided, not fixed or anything of the sort, I'm not saying that. FeralHeart members and staff are not trained therapists and shouldn't be held up to that level. But we CAN send people to help. With the help of the thread or ourselves in general. Having it removed was a very bad decision and was a bad blow.
Sura should not have...what do they call it....soft doxxed? Birdie and Applecider. Whether they were the same person or not, Applecider asked a very simple question. THe answer could have easily been to guide them to the help they sought. Instead they were called out, accused of someone possibly different entirely, and publicly humiliated. That was blow #2.
Sura also shouldn't have banned countless people. Some of the bans were probably justified but I'm not talking about them. THe people who just pretty well existed were flung off at a high rate of speed into the edges of the cosmos. Which wasn't right either. I totally understand the strain Sura is under, but as many people have said, a moderator HAS to have a strong head on their shoulders, not just start handing out bans when things seem rough. This is not hate being flung at Sura. I am genuinely concerned for them. I want nothing bad to happen to her. Despite our differences, despite sometimes getting frustrated, I love her as a friend and I want no harm to come to her. But I want her to do the right thing. I hate seeing this flung at her.
The FHU staff. While some were civil about this, some really didn't help. Rather they fueled the flames. They poked the cornered bear. And that's not right either. They are staff for FHU. What happens over here does not concern them anymore. You guys have much better things to do now. So much more to work with. So much responsibilities now, rather than coming over here and throwing yourselves into the fray. Did some deserve the bans they got just for being here? No. But they shouldn't have done what they did.
Guys, I am not at all saying we should ignore the problems with FH and its staff. I want things to change just as much. I don't have the power to do much, even as MOTS, but I sure as hell will try my best. That is why I am adding my words to yours. But the biggest thing? We ALL need to remember where we came from. We all came from one place, FeralHeart. Without FeralHeart, there would be no FeralHeart Unleashed. Give credit where it is due. Yes, maybe the time is coming to move on to bigger better things but...isn't there a chance that people can love and enjoy both? FeralHeart for nostalgic purposes, and FeralHeart Unleashed for when things are a bit too slow here?
Razmirz and xSpirit are admins of two wonderful games. BOTH games are equally as good. Yes, there are problems but what games DON'T have these problems? If people want to play FH, fine. If people want to play FHU, fine. If people want to play both, fine. If people want to play none, fine. Nobody from either side should condemn anyone from playing either just because of where they came from.
Because remember guys. Remember this please. Without this game...there could be no FHU. Without this game, you wouldn't have met the friends you have today. Without this game, you wouldn't have a place to go relax and chat. Without this game, you wouldn't be guided to the help you needed.
We. Come. From. The. Same. Place. We are in this together, despite our differences. We can make the difference. Everyone can.
Peace between both games must come. There has to be an agreement. Please. All of this...is this really what we want? No. It's not. Most people I see genuinely want what is best for FeralHeart. Let us speak. Let us have a voice too.
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Not to sound rude or anything, but can you change the text color? It's really hard on the eyes
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Hey this was a really good post. I like the little bits of lightheartedness you sprinkled in there too. Gotta agree with most of what you said, and I'm also concerned for the staff after all this, whether they were in the wrong or not. Sounded like you wrote this with a level head, you go gurl.
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Azura, the FHU staff members I have seen posting have been nothing but civil, so I don't know what you're talking about with fanning the flames. The people who are working on FHU, like you said, come from FH. And a lot of them still want to see FH thrive, so they chimed in. Just like we all have. This has absolutely nothing to do with FHU, aside from the fact they've been targeted by FH staff
If you can provide proof of FHU staff misbehaviour I'm pretty sure they'll listen, but don't try to make this a "we were all at fault" thing. Because it's pretty clear who did wrong. Depending on who you ask, Sura broke a law, or at the very least toed the edge.
All privacy policy concerns have been swept under the rug and their privacy policy page as it is right now, as well as their treatment of it, are not compliant with the GDPR, which means they are breaking laws in the EU
They deleted help hotline numbers because they didn't want to be held responsible if someone chose not to seek help/got hurt/didn't get the help they need. Which is like saying "Let's not call the ambulance just in case in makes things worse/Let's not teach kids how to dial 911." The only real reason it was deleted was because XSpirit wrote it.
And what have the FHU staff done? Get a little snippy, maybe, but that's not on the same level. Not remotely.
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Not to sound rude or anything, but can you change the text color? It's really hard on the eyes
Nah you're not sounding rude at all. I had someone else actually tell me the same thing. Is it the white or the purple that was bugging you? I changed it from purple to white cause bf said it was too dark.
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This resumes it all of my thoughs. I do think that what has been done was terribly wrong and should have been managed better. I couldn't really share it as I was pretty scared to do so and wish I wouldn't have to but you resumed it all Azu, thank you. I agree with this thread. Once again I mention it, I hope the FHU and FH staff resolve their differences and rivalry to continue in peace our community's way (from both games) and also wait for the staff to hear us. ❤️
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Yea, what is up with all the drama lately? I agree with this post!
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Not to sound rude or anything, but can you change the text color? It's really hard on the eyes
Nah you're not sounding rude at all. I had someone else actually tell me the same thing. Is it the white or the purple that was bugging you? I changed it from purple to white cause bf said it was too dark.
Ah the white is too bright on a dark background, just hurts the eyes a bit maybe try teal or something? Or maybe just default perhaps
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Appreciate the civil response, but I do have a few points of concern. If we're all from the same game, and we all come from the same place, then why are FHU staff, or people associating with FHU in general, no longer able to share their concerns/issues they're having here? Especially if they faced unjust situations? I understand that many people are uncomfortable with the level of ire people are reaching right now. I get that people don't like drama. But people are upset. People are losing their patience. A lot of community members just want accountability.
Like you said, we're linked. One game originated from the other. And so I believe people have the right to address an issue, regardless of which game they're leaning more towards. Staff member or not.
Not to mention, the problem started here. It originated on this site. A problem popped up with an FHU staff member. It escalated to include more developers- some just by ASSOCIATION, ie they got roped into it without even being directly involved. It snowballed and snowballed to the point of people getting more and more upset, and wanting answers. They deserve those answers. We deserve those answers!
However, like you said, it definitely shouldn't escalate to the point of sending people anonymous malice. Regardless of any errors, no one needs to be sent threats and hatred. But it also shouldn't escalate to point of silencing others either.
Either way, thank you for speaking out, and hopefully further discussion will develop.
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I'm really glad you said this, Az. It's really nice to have someone speak on behalf of both sides because sometimes it can be very one-sided. It's very nice to see someone else who wants the whole thing to stop and that we can set our differences aside. We shouldn't end the year with everything chaotic. We have events coming up, many fun ideas and they are made to keep the game alive. We should be celebrating, especially with our 10 year(I believe?) anniversary coming up. :) Thank you for this post bc someone had to do it honestly and it's a really brave thing that you did. Much respect.
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Not to sound rude or anything, but can you change the text color? It's really hard on the eyes
Nah you're not sounding rude at all. I had someone else actually tell me the same thing. Is it the white or the purple that was bugging you? I changed it from purple to white cause bf said it was too dark.
Ah the white is too bright on a dark background, just hurts the eyes a bit maybe try teal or something? Or maybe just default perhaps
There ya go! ^^
Appreciate the civil response, but I do have a few points of concern. If we're all from the same game, and we all come from the same place, then why are FHU staff, or people associating with FHU in general, no longer able to share their concerns/issues they're having here? Especially if they faced unjust situations? I understand that many people are uncomfortable with the level of ire people are reaching right now. I get that people don't like drama. But people are upset. People are losing their patience. A lot of community members just want accountability.
Like you said, we're linked. One game originated from the other. And so I believe people have the right to address an issue, regardless of which game they're leaning more towards. Staff member or not.
Not to mention, the problem started here. It originated on this site. A problem popped up with an FHU staff member. It escalated to include more developers- some just by ASSOCIATION, ie they got roped into it without even being directly involved. It snowballed and snowballed to the point of people getting more and more upset, and wanting answers. They deserve those answers. We deserve those answers!
However, like you said, it definitely shouldn't escalate to the point of sending people anonymous malice. Regardless of any errors, no one needs to be sent threats and hatred. But it also shouldn't escalate to point of silencing others either.
Either way, thank you for speaking out, and hopefully further discussion will develop.
Big reason why I made this post as well, sorry if I didn't make it clear enough aheh. I'm not the best at talking. But yes, FHU people should have a say, in a way, over here as well. However coming over here and posting completely immature responses wasn't the best from them either. But they shouldn't push the matter either. But they should not have been banned. At all. Or silenced.
I'm really glad you said this, Az. It's really nice to have someone speak on behalf of both sides because sometimes it can be very one-sided. It's very nice to see someone else who wants the whole thing to stop and that we can set our differences aside. We shouldn't end the year with everything chaotic. We have events coming up, many fun ideas and they are made to keep the game alive. We should be celebrating, especially with our 10 year(I believe?) anniversary coming up. :) Thank you for this post bc someone had to do it honestly and it's a really brave thing that you did. Much respect.
Yes, we shouldn't. We all should celebrate the fact that FH has been around for a heckin decade oh my god I'm old.
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I'm glad there's want for positivity. I'm glad there's a want for more peaceful times. But this doesn't appear to be something that can just be "brushed to the side." At least, not from what I'm seeing. Nor have I really seen any immature responses- the larger thread today had some passive aggressiveness, but nothing really immature, in my opinion.
People are going to say things I don't agree with. People are going to take more aggressive, assertive routes than I would. But that doesn't make the points any less valid.
And I'm sorry- I mean no disrespect on your post here! But people are definitely upset for a reason. Their anger is justifiable. Many of my friends have been locked out. Posts are now being censored/held for review. Threads are being locked and/or deleted. Or at least, privatized.
I too, would love peace. I too, would love to enjoy happy times. But so would everyone else. They're continuing to "start drama" because their cries are going unanswered. And I just want to make sure everyone is aware of that. Like I said on earlier posts, people need to be transparent. People need to openly discuss points. Continuing to dismiss it or brush it away will only lead to further upset.
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As much as I appreciate this, this doesn't solve any of the problems that have been brought to the table. Problems that have long needed resolving and, yet again are trying to be ignored by people.
I at least hope things can change in the future. I've said that countless times and have been disappointed Every time, but let me put it out there and see what happens.
Things like this always seem to occur. The of the fire is lessened, but the flames (the problem) remains. Its seems many fires have been lit for years because these problems are shrugged off or "not a priority" when they should be. A real shame that its been that way for a long time.
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Actually every side has dom mistakes. Az, you said exactly this what is screaming in my head. I'm not gonna be dramatic, but today I couldn't sleep. Still checking forum and Discord. As I said once, everyone has roles here. But if one thing doesn't work well, whole system breaks.
But also agree with Scally.
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I just want to point out that Sura never shared anyone's IP.
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Y'all need to stop looking at this as one side versus another.
It is pure and simple, a staff issue that needs to be addressed. It's not staff vs staff. This issue is not about FHU even if the staff, creators and dev team were targeted. This is about the why, not the who.
I don't care about who, other than knowing not one of them broke rules hard enough to be removed without a reason given or an end date to their eviction listed.
Again, it's about the why. Why were all these people removed from the community without due cause? Why would a staff member even agree that it was ok to do certain things without even discussing it with the people affected? Why would they target their community members at all? Why would they make it so people are scared to even read these posts for fear of eviction for just reading a post.
Tell us why.
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Yeah it wasn't abot FHU until you mentioned, Jace, how our numbers are dwindling and ya'lls numbers are growing because of it. There was a whole section on that part. Then people who commented below you using "IStandWithFHU.
There coud be things going on with the staff side that maybe we don't know about. To me, looking in from an outsiders prospective, this looks very one sided. Yes Sura may have snapped in the first thread but an answer was given about why that hotline thread was deleted. For everything else, it's a matter of waiting and seeing what they do.
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There's always "something going on that we don't know about." when it comes to FH's future. Yes, that is down to Raz in terms of updates. However, the actions of Staff members these past few days has made people question FH's future in terms of is this game going to make it for years longer? With <100 members online daily, little to no transparency, passive aggressiveness and unprofessional ism from the Staff team from many angles of different situations.
It's a shame that just because people want to be positive (and I'm sure the ones bringing up their concerns want to as well) they feel the need to just shrug off some of the wrongful behaviour coming from the Staff. Sure, they were provoked, but it has already been stated in a previous thread that if people on the Staff team cannot keep their cool when they're receiving the backend of someone else's (be it a colleague or Razmirz himself) actions, they need to rethink their position very carefully, or rethink how they approach instances like this and cope when concerned members of the community are trying to really enforce the fact that multiple issues are just being shrugged off and it's dangerous for them to be done so.
These issues aren't just recent either, some of them have lasted a very long time. Now people who just want the game to better itself are being punished unnecessarily. There is no effort to properly communicate to us. But when we do get answers, we get one Staff saying one thing, another Staff saying another. How are we supposed to go forward if the Team cannot even make their mind up to begin with?
Not one answer was given about the Helpline thread, but two. Both very much opposites. So I ask... how is this reaction not expected? Both answers came from both Administrators, which became clear they'd not concluded the situation before replying. One would rather just snap and point fingers then explain they'll remake it, then the other turned around and said they won't be remaking it. Which one is it and why? The answer should have been final the first time.
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I personally didn't think FH would last as long as it has, but here we are lol. I'll stand by it until the end for the most part and I'll probably stay out of anymore of these kinds of threads until the staff has something to say on it. Give them a breather to respond, whether they deleted those threads or Raz did, I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt. If they decide to step down because all of this is overwhelming, who will step up after witnessing all this? Idk, just thinking all this got blown out of proportion, so I'll be doing another good ol' fashioned yeet before my emotions get the better of me like I've been doing lol. Say as much of my peace as I can before I get upset....and it kinda feels like we are going in circles at this point lol. Kinda tired of it.
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As will a lot of people. Just because people are concerned, doesn't mean their loyalty to the game should be questioned, or their presence here be misinterpreted to "harass the FH staff" when truthfully speaking all I've seen is Staff taking things way too personally and, like you said, blowing it out of proportion.
The Staff have had plenty of breathing space with numerous people talking on their behalf without actually knowing what the Staff are genuinely thinking. Now it's time they come together at some point over the coming days and conclude as a team to respond to the community as a whole. Not a cluster of individuals responding without knowing what their fellow colleagues believe is to be the right answer.
Take care of yourself.
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Yeah it wasn't abot FHU until you mentioned, Jace, how our numbers are dwindling and ya'lls numbers are growing because of it. There was a whole section on that part. Then people who commented below you using "IStandWithFHU.
There coud be things going on with the staff side that maybe we don't know about. To me, looking in from an outsiders prospective, this looks very one sided. Yes Sura may have snapped in the first thread but an answer was given about why that hotline thread was deleted. For everything else, it's a matter of waiting and seeing what they do.
My mentioning of the numbers was to point out the effect and fallout resulting from the choices that staff has made in a quantifiable way. That's all. If they were all flying to a particular IT server, or another game, I would've said that. Focusing on fhU is not the intent but the result.
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Hey hey hey guys. Slow down. Not attacing anyone, but it's time to understand that Feral Heart and Feral Heart Unleashed are separate games. It probably won't be easy, but we must try stop thinking about FHU while posting on FH forum and stop thinking about FH while posting on FHU forum. So it's message for community & staff, community: stop tags like "#IStandWithFHU". It's time to stop this. Staff: dunno ban people from FHU staff. Easy way. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Here we go again.
This isn't about fhu.
This is about users on this game getting removed without due cause. This one. fhU should have zero to do with it. There were people removed that have zero to do with fhU. Stop making it about fhU. It's not about them.
It's about the staff here making poor decisions that effect the entire populace of this game. This one. It's about non-affiliated users being afraid to read posts or think about posting their opinions. It's about the users. These users here. Not fhU, regardless of those users affiliations.
This is exasperation, not anger or even ire.
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Nothing in my post was about which side was bad. Nothing in my post was brushing anything aside. I literally made the post to pull out the problems from all around, not just from FH's side or FHU's side. I'm not picking any sides, nor am I faulting one side more.
There are many problems that need addressed. I want the people that were banned unjustly to be unbanned just as much. I did not agree with anything on that front. I also never said all FHU staff were being uncivil, but in Birdie's post, some made not so mature posts. Did it mean they needed to be banned? No. Cause they didn't break any rules whatsoever. But they didn't help a thing. Does that make them bad? No. Not at all. DO I hate them? No. Do I wish they were banned? No.
Guys, I want things to be straightened out too. This post wasn't just trying to distract people from FH's problems. There are LOTS of problems with FeralHeart and I want them fixed and brought out just as much as you do!
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Here we go again.
This isn't about fhu.
This is about users on this game getting removed without due cause. This one. fhU should have zero to do with it. There were people removed that have zero to do with fhU. Stop making it about fhU. It's not about them.
I'm not making it about FHU, I'm just saying that staff shouldn't ban FHU staff, same as people shouldn't say they "stay with FHU", because, as you said, it's NOT about FHU. c:
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Hi, I'm sorry for asking but I wasn't here when this mess started so what is FHU? I'm so sorry for asking, I just want to know what is going on.
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Thanks to my posts needing moderator approval, it takes a while to get through. So I'll repost it with some additions
Azura, the FHU staff members I have seen posting have been nothing but civil, so I don't know what you're talking about with fanning the flames. The people who are working on FHU, like you said, come from FH. And a lot of them still want to see FH thrive, so they chimed in. Just like we all have. This has absolutely nothing to do with FHU, aside from the fact they've been targeted by FH staff
If you can provide proof of FHU staff misbehaviour I'm pretty sure they'll listen, but don't try to make this a "we were all at fault" thing. Because it's pretty clear who did wrong. Depending on who you ask, Sura broke a law, or at the very least toed the edge.
All privacy policy concerns have been swept under the rug and their privacy policy page as it is right now, as well as their treatment of it, are not compliant with the GDPR, which means they are breaking laws in the EU
They deleted help hotline numbers because they didn't want to be held responsible if someone chose not to seek help/got hurt/didn't get the help they need. Which is like saying "Let's not call the ambulance just in case in makes things worse/Let's not teach kids how to dial 911." The only real reason it was deleted was because XSpirit wrote it.
And what have the FHU staff done? Get a little snippy, maybe, but that's not on the same level. Not remotely.
Just because Sura might not have broken a law, showing that she is willing to search for I.P information and post even a censored version of it is in horrible taste. Especially posting it to the public. One might even call it threatening.
Also, the fact people who are banned have no reliable way to contact staff and ask for a complete account deletion goes against GDPR guidelines.
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Hi, I'm sorry for asking but I wasn't here when this mess started so what is FHU? I'm so sorry for asking, I just want to know what is going on.
Hi there! FHU stands for Feralheart Unleashed, and it's a new/separate server for Feralheart. Devs and what not obtained permission directly from Kovu to carry out the project.
If you know of IT and all its various servers, I suppose it's sort of like that. It'll have Feralheart's framework, but will add new maps, new models, etc.
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Oh, I see. Thanks for telling me, I just came back and saw all of this I was so confused. Thank you so much ;D
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this probably has been established before, but this isn't an us vs them situation. this isn't a game rivalry fight or at least it was never in the first place.
we are upset is because of the actions that were taken against our friends, not because we hate the game or want to promote another. i have no idea where this "FH vs FHU" thing came from as it didn't come from us.
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I thought that people started the whole "us versus them" thing for the sake of being dramatic.
And it's all fake drama by the way.
I keep pointing out that people don't have to be slaves to acting like toddlers (slavery to their feelings is still slavery ect) but then they just cry more. So i can't take people seriously anymore.
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I thought that people started the whole "us versus them" thing for the sake of being dramatic.
And it's all fake drama by the way.
I keep pointing out that people don't have to be slaves to acting like toddlers (slavery to their feelings is still slavery ect) but then they just cry more. So i can't take people seriously anymore.
Again, can you explain to me how it's fake? Can you provide evidence against all the screenshots being presented? Against people losing their accounts without warning? Against the censorship? If you don't want to be involved, and you don't like it, then that's fine. But it doesn't discredit the situation. It doesn't erase what's happening, and doesn't invalidate people's concerns.
By the way, I'm not trying to attack you. Or anyone else for that matter. I would simply like to talk and hear your two cents, especially if you've got valid evidence to prove this all as false/fake.
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I thought that people started the whole "us versus them" thing for the sake of being dramatic.
And it's all fake drama by the way.
I keep pointing out that people don't have to be slaves to acting like toddlers (slavery to their feelings is still slavery ect) but then they just cry more. So i can't take people seriously anymore.
If you have nothing useful to contribute the conversation and want to just call us all fake and dramatic, then please don't post. It's not helping anything.
this probably has been established before, but this isn't an us vs them situation. this isn't a game rivalry fight or at least it was never in the first place.
we are upset is because of the actions that were taken against our friends, not because we hate the game or want to promote another. i have no idea where this "FH vs FHU" thing came from as it didn't come from us.
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I thought that people started the whole "us versus them" thing for the sake of being dramatic.
And it's all fake drama by the way.
I keep pointing out that people don't have to be slaves to acting like toddlers (slavery to their feelings is still slavery ect) but then they just cry more. So i can't take people seriously anymore.
You thought.
Maybe you should get all the information before injecting yourself into a situation that involves every user of this game, directly or otherwise. This situation is something that has zero to do with fhU, other than staff of this game targeting those on the development team of that game at the same time they were targeting innocent users that have no such affiliation.
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This thread premise is fake.
- "Imagine Proving a Point (https://feral-heart.com/smf/index.php?topic=68724.70)"
Threads like this are why i can never take you seriously.
- "A Message (https://feral-heart.com/smf/index.php?topic=68726.0)"
Don't worry, Fake drama people are fake. And they always will be.
- "Not Involved. (https://feral-heart.com/smf/index.php?topic=68725.0)"
I thought that people started the whole "us versus them" thing for the sake of being dramatic.
And it's all fake drama by the way.
I keep pointing out that people don't have to be slaves to acting like toddlers (slavery to their feelings is still slavery ect) but then they just cry more. So i can't take people seriously anymore.
- "It's time to stop (https://feral-heart.com/smf/index.php?topic=68727.20)"
Mate, I'm gonna be real honest.
Nobody can take you seriously or respect anything you say when you're:
- Racist and have said that you understand inequality and the feelings behind pro-slavery
- Misogynistic and will actively discredit women's sexual assault stories + Go on multiple anti-women rants
- Transphobic
- PREDATORY
- Actively said equality is garbage (Okay you didn't say garbage, but you said a bad word and it got edited out by a mod so I can't put it back)
- Abuse your pets
- Use dog shock collars on human children
- Advocate for physical violence and say people "deserve to be beaten"
- Generally just incredibly rude
Yes, there are links, screenshots, and discussions for all of these.
And if staff continue to allow people like you stay then.... that's a huge yikes.
Even bigger yikes if they delete this post/thread or hide it in any way and just... sweep all of this under the rug more.
You're a strangely hateful person and you're incredibly fake yourself.
You jumped into every open post about the drama to spew your uneducated hate and for what? :/
But yeah, sure. We're the fake people because we want FeralHeart staff to take accountability for their actions after they messed up and we don't want them to abuse their powers anymore.
I'm not here to attack you. I just think you're not in a place to post and you should sit this one out because you're much worse.
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I just want to say, that this stuff doesn't really correlate to what is going on and while these things are horrible, I really don't believe they should have been brought up in this way. I don't know the user, I actually know nothing about them, but bringing all this stuff up won't really help anything and most likely will just add to the drama. I feel like this specific post went off the mark a bit, and actually does fit the line of being an attack. I mean you're saying all of this stuff in public in response to them basically saying the drama is fake. That's not something I agree with, I really think this went too far here. Whether it's true or false.
I thought exactly all of this before I even made the post.
I thought "If I called them out like this... it will look and feel exactly like an attack. It will feel more like actual petty drama rather than focusing on the actual issues we're fighting for." Even after I made the post, I thought about deleting it multiple times.
But I decided against it and I don't want staff to use my post as ammo against the "movement" at hand right now. Because with the way they commented this stuff on every post and this whole disguise they've put up, I feel it is important to mention that they can't call other people "fake" for trying to fight for change when they're as hateful as a person as they are. They're not in a place to say anything. And if we're going on this whole tirade of calling people out for poor behavior, might as well call Kuri out because they're the worst member I've seen on FeralHeart ever and I don't want to bring this up when everything is settled.
Since I've posted this, a few people have message me saying they had no idea there was more to it, thanked me for bring this to light, and even shared their own experiences with Kuri, including how they set off such huge red flags, always felt uncomfortable around them, and actively avoided them at every chance. And those messages have helped influence my decision to keep this post up because the fact that so many people have disliked Kuri, felt uncomfortable around them, and wanted to avoid them is... insane.
The thing is, even if people thanked you for bringing this to light, you truly could have gone about this a completely different way. I really don't see your post adding to the overall meaning of the situation. You could have gotten away with saying something along the lines of: "You've done some very bad things as well that have brought up a lot of drama and have possibly have really upset other people in doing so." Putting up a list like that, takes away from the meaning of the entire post. The people that had issues with this user would probably come to you anyway even if you were vague. I stand by what I said, I believe your post went way too far for what was said. The other issues were of a completely different topic.
The screenshot below pretty much sums up everything.
(https://i.imgur.com/bopaQ5T.png)
This will be my last post on here, I did PM because I didn't want to block up the place anymore, but I haven't used it in so long that I don't know if it went through properly, and I really don't want people to think I don't care about this situation, because I really actually do. I don't like that it was called out in this thread, because I felt that it took away from this specific problem. I thought maybe there was another way to let people know about the situation with them. I don't think the game is more important than the wellbeing of people. (My entire thing with the staff here happens to be because I care about the wellbeing of people. I mean this drama has to be super stressful for people.) I sincerely apologize if I came off as uncaring, that wasn't my intention. I was just thinking that it could have been dealt with or people could have been made aware of things in a different way. Am I sure how? No, not really because of the situation with the mods. I admit I don't always have an easy time thinking things through, though I meant no harm, I tend to compare situations to how they could have been dealt with in another place that I was part of before. I guess that time just slipped out into here. I apologize, I really do. And hopefully the subject can reach back to what it was supposed to be. I deleted all my other posts and I won't be adding anymore to this for the sake of the subject.
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You're a strangely hateful person and you're incredibly fake yourself.
You jumped into every open post about the drama to spew your uneducated hate and for what? [/color][/center]
No, i'm actually the genuine person. And i fail to see how you think i'm all these 'terrible things', when i'm against most terrible things. I'm not racist, and i don't abuse my pets. I rescued them.
Special treatment for whatever flavour of the month is trending on twitter will never make things right, no matter how deluded people are these days. No i believe in no special treatment for anyone. And fixing labels to oneself & then crying over said labels is also dumb. Maybe that's where you get those random accusations from? Because i say labels are for cans?
But i do approve of people not raising kids to be brats that can do anything & get rewarded for it. I recall 2007, when people still told their kids 'no'.
"Waahh someone on the internet that pretends to be nice to me & doesn't even play this game, but pretends to care about it & only goes on forums to stir drama. unban plz"
How does that make the world a better place though?
Like i said before, and say again now. Fake drama is fake.
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If you don't appreciate the raise of concern, you can simply ignore it and continue with your daily routine, Kuri. Coming out here putting "fake" labels on everyone is just as if not more insulting than the users who've only stated their worry for FH's health.
You spammed the threads for attention and got it.
As stated by Azura earlier, if you have nothing to contribute to the cause of this thread, don't bother posting. Same applies to anyone who just wants to post to be hateful & rude without genuinely having a point to make.
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You're a strangely hateful person and you're incredibly fake yourself.
You jumped into every open post about the drama to spew your uneducated hate and for what? [/color][/center]
No, i'm actually the genuine person. And i fail to see how you think i'm all these 'terrible things', when i'm against most terrible things. I'm not racist, and i don't abuse my pets. I rescued them.
Special treatment for whatever flavour of the month is trending on twitter will never make things right, no matter how deluded people are these days. No i believe in no special treatment for anyone. And fixing labels to oneself & then crying over said labels is also dumb. Maybe that's where you get those random accusations from? Because i say labels are for cans?
But i do approve of people not raising kids to be brats that can do anything & get rewarded for it. I recall 2007, when people still told their kids 'no'.
"Waahh someone on the internet that pretends to be nice to me & doesn't even play this game, but pretends to care about it & only goes on forums to stir drama. unban plz"
How does that make the world a better place though?
Like i said before, and say again now. Fake drama is fake.
Man that was hard to read, but let's give this a shot.
It's hard to say you're "against these things" and deny everything when there's evidence of you being a bad person and all of it has been shared... Lol
Don't forget that the transphobic comments you've made on the forums are still up, love, and just because you were kicked from the Discord server doesn't mean your messages just disappeared with you either. Plus, there's so many people who have talked about how uncomfortable you make them, that you set off red flags, shared their own stories, etc. (I've even had people message me telling their story and how they had no idea there was more to it) and the fact that SO MANY PEOPLE feel the same way is incredibly concerning and no, it's not a coincidence. Also the way you only touched on "I'm not racist" and "I don't abuse my pets" is so weird. It's like you're saying "Hey wait a minute now, I'm all of those things EXCEPT racist and an animal abuser >:(" Lol. I think what was jarring the most was the comment you made in the Discord about the dog shock collars like... that was so weird?? What??? Why did you feel the need????
I want to go back to my main point: You aren't in a place to talk about us and what we're doing. You're way worse on the inside and have no grounds to judge other people. It's the same vibe as a serial killer being like "Vandalizing buildings is bad and illegal, so don't do it!" like? You kill people big man, you might want to sit this one out. The vibe is: You might wanna sit this one out, you don't gotta comment on everything and especially not on topics you're not educated on. Knowing you literally used to send people (including minors) NSFW and graphic images just to get a reaction already shows you're someone who does anything for a crumb of attention and the way you posted weird comments into all 4 threads further shows it and great, you got what you wanted. Now it's time for you to take a leave now that you've gotten what you wanted.
P.S: People do still tell their kids no. I can assure you that the weird right-wing YouTuber you watch is incorrect. Also please stop watching/following incels and actually like... talk to women.
P.S.S: If you have anything else to say about this, PM me. I don't want to keep clogging this thread and further distracting from the bigger cause. I just really had to call you out and let everyone know that no, you're not a good person in any way and yes, you're going to face the consequences the same way staff members are going to face the consequences of their actions. 2020 babey
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Just wanna say: it isn't place for discussion about Discord dramas/argues. Not gonna attac anyone, but not everyone knows what has happened on Discord.
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Just wanna say: it isn't place for discussion about Discord dramas/argues. Not gonna attac anyone, but not everyone knows what has happened on Discord.
A lot of this actually happened here on the forums and in game! Some just spilled over to Discord where they were very quickly banned because everyone got fed up with the anti-women and anti-equality rants.
They've done this on all 3 platforms.
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I hate saying this cause I just feel it's contributing, but let's just ignore Kuri from here on out. He's making this thread about himself, and that's not what it is about.
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I hate saying this cause I just feel it's contributing, but let's just ignore Kuri from here on out. He's making this thread about himself, and that's not what it is about.
Agree. Let's ignore the intentional attention-pulling people.
We are still waiting for answers from staff.. if y'all think ignoring it will make it go away, I think you'll find that you're quite wrong on that. Word spreads like wildfire, and when you're not going to respond, well, that just makes us believe you have nothing to say. That your actions spoke for you.
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I'm sorry there hasn't been much word as of late, I can assure you that steps are being taken to remedy this situation and will come to light hopefully soon. I don't mean to be so vague about this, but there isn't much more I, in my position, can say on it right now :c
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I'm sorry there hasn't been much word as of late, I can assure you that steps are being taken to remedy this situation and will come to light hopefully soon. I don't mean to be so vague about this, but there isn't much more I, in my position, can say on it right now :c
Thank you so much Bloo, it isn't your fault you can't say more. We're just so happy you're at least willing to fix things and speak to us. <3
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I'm sorry there hasn't been much word as of late, I can assure you that steps are being taken to remedy this situation and will come to light hopefully soon. I don't mean to be so vague about this, but there isn't much more I, in my position, can say on it right now :c
Okay, okay, we'll wait then. Just good staff is running on so much better way now. c:
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Az is right. We need to put an end to the fighting. Not only between the 2 games, but within FH as well. Continuing this fighting will only help those who seek to destroy both games.
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I hate saying this cause I just feel it's contributing, but let's just ignore Kuri from here on out. He's making this thread about himself, and that's not what it is about.
I may be a bit late in replying to this, but I agree. It seems to be a distraction that if we focus on them - will
throw us off track of what its trying to be achieved.
I'm sorry there hasn't been much word as of late, I can assure you that steps are being taken to remedy this situation and will come to light hopefully soon. I don't mean to be so vague about this, but there isn't much more I, in my position, can say on it right now :c
Im very glad to hear that steps are being taken to resolve the issue. I await the news - and dont worry.
Letting us know that something will possibly be done tames a lot of the tension
Az is right. We need to put an end to the fighting. Not only between the 2 games, but within FH as well. Continuing this fighting will only help those who seek to destroy both games.
I half agree with your statement. As fighting, drama and needless immature debating with get people nowhere in life. What has been happening the past few days isnt really much of a fight - moreso a respectful way of holding wrongdoers accountable for their actions. That if , gone unnoticed and swept under the rug will look horrible for the image of the brand to outsiders and fellow members. Im sure this has been said before, however. So I apologize if I am making things sound repetitive - or misunderstanding your statement