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I don't even know how to start this, but all I know is that this is pretty much me opening gates for a big flood of drama starting on the forums, but also probably me making the whole situation when it comes to the forum and game a whole lot worse.
I'm just a forum mod, I don't have any real work done with the actual FH game when it was made, neither do I claim knowing everything. I have just like any other person out there friends and enemies, I've also probably done quite a few bad calls when it comes to helping here on the site and in the game and I excuse for this, but now... I had enough, I never been one to cause drama for fun, but I will write a big post here expressing a thing or two that people deserve to know.
I have no idea what sort of impact this might have, I have no idea how some of my friends and people close to me will react to this either. I know this will be bad.. That's all I can say, but now it's time for the fist to hit the table and something to get done, and if I'm forced to take a depart while I'm at it because people demand it, then I will do so, but hopefully I will be speaking for more than just myself with this post. This will be a sensitive post for lots of people out there, and yes, it will be close to a bashing one.
So yeah.. What is this post about about? IT'S ABOUT THE GAME WE ALL PLAY, the reason why we are all here. Feralheart has been out for a while now and we have spent time with the game, the site and the community, but wherever we freaking go there's always something needing fixing, something causing arguments, something starting a storm. The game we love to play, is also something that clearly doesn't work out that well as it could.
Dear KovuLKD, creator of IT and FH, I have never been a long nice conversation with you personally and I should've probably tried to contact you somehow with this subject, but for a greater impact this is the way I choose.
Why can't you help, give the tools, let people help you with this FeralHeart game that you created?
There's tons of people here for your disposal to help you, people that spend hours each day to help with FH, hours making various addons for your game, taking care of the game you created, helping eachothers out.
We have a well working staff team here taking care of the rules guiding people with the game, yet everything from the actual game gets shot around all over the place, we never get any proper updates, there's obvious fixes the game needs and there's tons of things that could be done to improve the game and community by just placing the care in someone elses hands for a while. Yet, it seems like nothing is done about this?
The staff here on the forum, and the people around will not be able to do anything for this really to happen, YOU KovuLKD are the one in control of your game and what goes into it. The staff here simply help you with the game you created, keeping it clean and a more organized place for those who needs it. I myself in return only want the game to actually move somewhere and not work as a dead mammal in which we force adrenaline shots into to keep alive.
We love the game you've created, we only want it good, we want it to get proper updates, and if you don't got the time, don't have the energy, or just don't care, give the torch to someone else for a while that can make this happen. And if not that... Some cooperation with the staff that helps with your game? People should not need to come begging crawling for it, asking a few times should be enough.
I myself has been around since the start of launch now, trying to help with various things around FH, and I do not like one bit what I've seen so far when it comes to making this game move forwards, and this has been going on for months. I take respect in making things and updates takes time, but not everything does so, and when there's what I though obvious choices to make this game better, the choices always seem to go the other ways and it ALWAYS tend to make FH a harder place for the staff and the people that actually TRY TO HELP YOU.
There's changes that can be done to the game without even any need to really "work" on it. However, things like
-Group/chat glitches
-Mods not being able whisper
-Chat functions added
-Removing and possibly replacing the not working report button etc.
Are never getting sorted? When problems occur in the game, people come here, it doesn't matter if it's a problem with the game, or if there mods actions or the game lacking something. We have to take care of it even though in the end, you are the one that are able to make changes. Going around and making Facebook updates when you might aswell take a few extra clicks to post a proper new update on this site also confuses me. Not even a PM is sent out to the staff here about your plans. If you are going to run a game a certain commitment is needed.
Are the forum staff really that horrible that you don't want to come on the forum anymore? Also, are you not interested in knowing what the staff thinks needs to be changed or fixed for the game to work better and what actually needs changes? If it's not the community itself that knows what they want, they staff can see the demands and spend time here to make changes! Improve and perfect.
I have not seen a greater update since months back, and all off a sudden we get a FH+ game out of pretty much no where. I know the intentions were probably for the greater good, but to me it seems like a big lazy work. This has nothing to do with me or any other person wanting a finger in everything, by why was not the staff asked about what they'd think about YET ANOTHER VERSION of the game? I mean, we're the ones needing to take care of the things it causes afterall, but also the ones taking care of your game since day 1 after the release.
We got no questions asked about this FH+, neither what was truly needed for the game to be improved by this, instead we get 2 versions of the game we need to monitor and more problems in general. Also, no offence to Simba(TLK4EVER), but what exactly are the thought of FH+ and why does he get the go to make this version when the staff was never truly informed about this? A few maps, remakes and texture updates, there's no "true" need of it's own version. THESE COULD HAVE BEEN APPLIED DIRECTLY TO THE ORIGINAL FH., and if not that, replaced now. Problems from the first version still exists, and we got more problems coming and going because of FH+.
2 versions of the game and people are magically expected to move over to a different version just because the choice is there? It wont happen..
This might sound like something dumb to say in a way, but if the staff here that actually works helping with your game and takes care of this forum would get power over such a version as FH+ is, we'd be able to take community input easily from what we see and update the game with maps and markings, emotes as we please and you wouldn't even need to do anything for the actual game. But instead we got this, and someone not even on the staff team not involved with what's going on here work on a new version? it's almost as if you try to provoke something at times.
This needs fixing non the less. Better communication is needed, more effort must go into fixing or adding things into the game that keeps it alive instead of kicking it to move, when we can let it walk on it's own if something is actually done. I myself got tons of ideas alone which isn't too hard to make, but would make wonders for the game, there's probably loads of others out there with even more of them.
I love FH, and being a part of the staff here knowing why I'm here, but I see no signs of things moving right now, and so far I've gotten disappointment after disappointment with calls I thought were clear as the sky, instead leaving me in complete frustration since I know very well which heights the game could be able to reach even with the most tiny effort and I will do one last try here to make something happen. I'm not going to sit around and pretend everything is perfect. See me as non fitting admin of the forum for posting this if you have to, but I'm here for the game afterall and I want it's best.
This had to been said and I really hope you read this kov.
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Dear KovuLKD,
I, as a simple user who has only been a part of this wonderful creation you've started for a mere few months, want to commend you on your work. It takes a lot of compassion to create such a game that is completely free and available for everyone. For that, you have my adoration.
But I've seen dear Red rant a few times more than a moderator should, seen him frustrated to a higher degree than someone should be over a game, despite how purely addictive and alluring the game may be. Red cares deeply about the sake of your creation, and the community that follows it. Sure he maybe be a considerably strict mod when it comes to enforcement, but it's not for power or self-righteousness. His concern for the FeralHeart community's happiness is genuine, and I personally feel it's only right to return the favor.
As a fan of your creation, I do request that you take the time to consider the voices of your supporters, being both the moderators that protect its integrity and the users who dwell upon every hill and plateau you have crafted.
I feel these moderators deserve more credit than they receive, and this comes from a person who has had a lifelong struggle against authority figures. We understand you're busy, you have a life of your own to attend to. So in your absence, perhaps you could share the responsibility with a few trustworthy mods of your choice. Allow them to make some updates, fix some errors, and work for you. Above all, the main thing I ask is that you please hear us out. The public is speaking, giving you feedback, and we want to know that the words we type, the messages we pour our hearts and minds into, may mean something to you.
Sincerely,
Meiari.
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You have a lot of guts to actually say all of this, Red.
I agree on what you have said; The bug glitches need fixing. Kov has said ingame once that he has no clue how to fix the bug on why the groups disappear after a while, and that's not his fault, so he need time to work out how to fix it - but he does need to fix it. Someone can't just go "I dunno, I give up", it just doesn't work that way.
I have heard from people that Kov refuses to actually let them help him with Feralheart.
All he needs to do is add a few things in once every few months; Or even better, make an auto-updater the staff can have to add in markings and emotes when we feel we want/need too.
The members here all love Kov's game. But how long will it be before they're completely bored of it? I can't remember what game it was, but it didn't get a small update in years, and the member rate dropped from 1,000 online a day to 5 at most. We don't want that happening to FH.
So, what do you members think? Will you sooner or later get bored of the current FH we have and want bigger updates in the future? We got told Wings and Prey are coming. Is that still happening, and if it is, how many months until it actually happens?
I have sent this thread to Kov. I'd like you members to post your opinions on the current FH and how often you would like to see updates so he can see~
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I couldn't say it better my self Raky and red, nicely said you two. I agree with all of you.
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as a loyal member of FH (and King of All Wolves, still no one complaining), i Greyblood do indeed care for the future of Feralheart. Things have happened to me, altely, so i'm not exactly in my normal mood. but i want kov to see what i have to say.
Look, Kovu. Feralheart is turning into IT. and look at all your staff members. i know you didnt want them, but stop being a lazy bastard and start being someone we can begin to look up to. FH has such great potential, but it'll end up dying if you dont start kicking things up. Fluorite Plains is causing all the Bad Tokens, because 75% of FH's patrons are there. FP should be broken into several smaller maps that would be less of a load on the system, and it would add more explorability than a giant manhood shaped island that looks like a runway, a massive boring plains, a tunnel made by a mole, and a Yin-Yang rapist paradise. Also, as Raksha said, what about those Wings and Prey? i dont give a care for wings, it ruins your original "Realistic Anatomy" idea for FH. but Prey is definitely something needed. RP would be grand with prey to actually kill, making things alot funner. there are so many easy as hell things you can do, Kov, you just need to show you care. FeralHeart -will- die, and if you ever want to be a game creator, 2 failed games due to overall retarded ignorance wont look good on a Resume. You need to kick things up, KovuLKD. You need to listen to the people who use your game, and the people who monitor it for your sorry behind. Your members are loyal, but their loyalty only goes so far. and authorizing a new version of FH to someone who does less crap for FH than you do for no fee while everyone else cant add beneficial things to FH doesnt help the smallest bit. your p***ing us off, Kov. your p***ing us off.
With Respect; barely,
King Greyblood
(Pardon all inappropriate language. it's 11pm)
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I'll be honest. Yes. I stand by every bit of what has been said here. If something isn't done to fix glitches and if updates aren't made, FH is going to lose a lot of it's players and even more reliablility credit. Kovu, you need to pick it up. Actually pay attention to this creation. There's no point in making something as great as this very game that I've come to enjoy over the past two weeks only to let it die slowly due to your own lack of interest in it. You either need to pull it together or pass the torch to someone who can and will handle it before this entire operation goes into the garbage disposal whether it's permanent or not. Think about it and don't disappoint your fanbase, Mr. Creator.
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So, what do you members think? Will you sooner or later get bored of the current FH we have and want bigger updates in the future? We got told Wings and Prey are coming. Is that still happening, and if it is, how many months until it actually happens?
I'd like you members to post your opinions on the current FH and how often you would like to see updates so he can see~
Another moderator who seems to care much about the sake of your creation, Kovu.
FeralHeart's biggest problem is Flourite. It's big, and that's a good thing, until it becomes bigger than the server. You want to switch characters in Flourite, or bring one in there? The question is, are you willing to be patient through six Bad Tokens and Failed To Connect To Map Server messages? And General chat. It was made for talk of the game, such as roleplay advertisements and asking for game-related help. But few questions get answered there, and many of the most clever advertisements are pushed beneath the rubble of conversations perching on the border of spam. Yet when someone suggests politely that they gather and converse in Local, they're met with an onslaught of unnecessary insults.
Bonfire Island has become known for public displays of some kind of virtual sexual intercourse. I'm nearly an adult, with just two weeks left before turning eighteen, and I don't even want to see that. What someone does privately is their own business, not something for all of the community to be exposed to.
And when seeing this, how does one report it if their computer lacks a Printscreen feature? Common sense would suggest the report button. Not everyone leafs through the forums, so many would grow to assume that nobody cares about this repeat offender, whom they've reported harassing them or their friends multiple times.
As for FH+, it's a wonderful tool for creating maps, with the new textures and meshes. Otherwise, it's riddled with bugs, crashes often, and is utterly useless. I've yet to talk to a single person claiming to enjoy Endless Plains better than Flourite. An alternate game is not a replacement for an update to the one everyone knows and loves. Why not have TLK4EVER create some new maps for the FeralHeart people actually -want- to use? He's very good at it, it's a shame to see his talents wasted to FH+. Let him work on the real thing.
And as Rak$ha mentioned, updates with new markings, features, emotes, and actions are a wonderful way to spice things up. A limping action would be a nice asset to many roleplays. Look around, Kovu. There's suggestions all over the forum that implore your attention.
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Alright.
I just have one question.
KovuLKD, if you created this game...
Why do you not help it or it's community?
I understand you have a life but you are literally never on, nor do you even seem to be trying to be, and that is unacceptable for a game host. :C
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I agree with you all... !
I'm not here since ... since the game started or something...
But I've seen times there were over 1.000 members on.
Now there are usually maybe 200...
I don't want FeralHeart to die, just because people get bored or maybe are just tired of BadTokens and FailedConnectionToMap messages...!
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AMEN!
All what has been said here is actually the reason why i got overly pissed and absolutely tired of that game.
That was what made me LEAVE FeralHeart.
So everyone who reads this: Yes, i left FH, my position as admin, and if it stays the way it is, i wont be ever see a reason to get back here.
-Tigg
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I too feel the same about this. I have been an active member of FH for over 4 months now and I think Kov should step up to the plate. He is making his wonderful mods work as hard as they can on helping the community with glitches and such. But the problem is only you, Kov, can fix these things. I personally think you should either help the community by solving glitches or step down and let one of your mods take over, they show much more intrest in helping the community than you. I have seen Red, Rimfrost, Rak$ha, and many other mods working there butts off to help the game. (Pardon my french) You should show more effort on helping the game and take after your mods who work endlesly on helping. As you can see your lack of effort has caused many members to get fustrated with the game making it an un-happy experience, causing members to leave. For example, one of your wonderful mods, Tigg has left the game and stepped down from her position. You should consider making a few helpfull actions instead of depeneding on your mods all the time. They too are people who have a life outside of FH, give them a break and actually help the community.
~Sincerely,
Courtney
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I completely agree with most of the thing you have said red.
People have been leaving FH because the lack of frustrated glitch and the lack of work that really need to be done and sorted out. Even though Kovu is amazing person to go through alot of work to start this game but it a shame that he does not come to check over the game, he doesn't care alot about this game and decided to work somewhere else with someone, like you said red. It is time to give the power to those well hard working mods and staff who will keep this game going and make sure that things are running perfectly. It a shame that Raz have to spent most of the money on the server which was never checked on. Raz is amazing to keep paying on this server even though things are not going quite to plan most of the time..
But if kovu does not want to past down his power to the staff and mods then he need to take part of the community, really need to take part...We don't want more people leaving the game otherwise the game will become a ghost town with less member. Let just hope what the future have in store for us is a good one, we will all stick by together and help eachother making sure that the mods and staff can have a chance to take over (those who care about helping out this problem)
~AngelDemon~
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Aye Kovu... I hope you do read this. See how many people are against how you do things and how you work. You're doing a horrible job trying to keep your game up, though I doubt you are trying at all. This FH+ thing came out of friggin NOWHERE. And now the mods have double the amount of maps to cover. People were complaining before that there weren't enough mods around. Now the mods are stretched even thinner! It just made things worse.
The stupid Bad Tokens from Flourite are driving people up the walls. FIX THEM, along with the other things you can fix. As Rak said, if you don't know how to fix them, TRY HARDER. If you put some effort into this game, you wouldn't have such a hate club. We just want you to put some work into this wonderful game you created. Fix some glitches, make some updates. Make it look like you care.
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I agree with everyone here, but I'd like to take the other side of this too.
Doesn't Kov have to pay to keep the game running?
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Kovu, all I can say is, do you even CARE anymore? Because from where I stand, it looks to me that FH is just a little plaything for you that youu fiddle with occasionally but never bother doing anything decent with it.
We understand you have a life, heck, WE ALL DO! NOT JUST YOU! YOU made this game, so YOU should care about what happens to it!
From what ive seen, talking to you about the issues in game is like talking to a brick wall; you put yourself on such a high pedestal that no ones opinions, requests or ideas matter bar your own, and if anything, you abuse your staff! Look how many mods you've lost, you've lost Tigg, who's been with you a heck of a lot longer than alot of us, and yet you don't give a toss? Unacceptable.
For example, MONTHS ago you said you where working on the group glitch, pfft, right! Honestly, "I have no idea what's happening" IS NOT a good enough excuse! Get off your butt and actually TRY for a change!
Also, the FAKE report button? That's deplorable, you're LYING to your players, lulling them into a sense that they're safe when they really not, all because you can't be bothered to take some time to sort out a report system! That's just utter laziness and a complete disregard for your players.
I don't know if you've realised this, but there is NO age limit on FH, and, because of this, the game should be 100% safe for all ages.
Yet, I see rape, swearing, racism, the whole works! Honestly, you CAN be prosecuted by the law for this you know, and I personally only see you doing anything is if that threat becomes a reality.
It's so unfortunate that a game that has such potential has gone down so fast, becoming a breeding ground for gliches, trolls, pedophiles and lord knows what else.
How difficult is it, Kovu, that if you can't be bothered, don't have the time or just don't give a monkeys behind about the game and it's community anmore, to give the game to someone else? Then again, I guess that's far to much for you to do, lord forbid that you have to give up your pedastal, clinging onto a dying game in your diluded reality where you're worshiped. You won't have that being so selfish, people will start to resent you for how selfish you're being, Kovu, no matter how much you don't want to believe it.
In simple terms, get of your butt, MAKE some time and actually do something good for the community! Give the game to someone else if you simply are to lazy or busy, it isn't hard.
I'm tired of seeing people "thanking" YOU, KOVU for things that you don't even do! YES, you made the game, but that's just about sod all you've done, the rest is the mod's work.
So, I don't thank you, KovuLKD, for FH, I thank the team, Red, Rak$sha and all the others past and present, for trying their absolute best to make this game the best it can be for the community; thank you guys, I support you all 100% and only hope you manage to get some kind of result, and I think I talk for the FH community in saying that we ALL will support you!
Is this post a bit harsh? Mabye. But it's the honest truth, no matter how much KovuLKD, or anyone else dislikes it.
Heres to the hope that Kovu actually takes some of this into that head of his, and does exactly what he should have been doing all this time.
Taking care of the FH community!
I shall now take it upon myself to send him a link to this thread on his facebook, and repost this little note from me, I doubt it will be read by him, but it's worth the try, I hope it manages to open his eyes a little bit.
~Zaephyr
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I haven't been here long, maybe about six months (?) but I've heard a lot on the matter. I completely agree with the fact that when you make a commitment like creating a game like this, you can't just give up on it. Kovu has made so many people happy, and his team are all devoted. I don't see why he cannot simply explain what his issue is, and why he hasn't been focusing on the game.
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I'm sick of having to rant about this. Everything is so true. Kovu, you basically have two options:
1. Start picking up your act and caring about the game you already made. Not that dumb facebook game or anything else. Fix FH and update it to keep people interested.
2. Give it to someone else. If you don't care about it enough, give it to someone who will. You've often said that you have no time to work on FH. Well then give it to someone else to help you! Are you so stubborn that you can ask for some darn help? Didn't we all learn when we were little that it's OKAY to ask for help?
It just doesn't made sense to me why you act this way. You don't care about the game, yet you refuse to let anyone else care about it.
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I agree with everyone here, but I'd like to take the other side of this too.
Doesn't Kov have to pay to keep the game running?
No. He doesnt pay a penny. Razmirz pays all the stuff.
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To Red: I don't know anything about the leadership here on FH, or about how Kovu is dealing with mods. This post to me seems like it shouldn't be up here because you mentioned you hadn't first contacted Kovu ("Dear KovuLKD, creator of IT and FH, I have never been a long nice conversation with you personally and I should've probably tried to contact you somehow with this subject, but for a greater impact this is the way I choose. ") and its not as if any other person who reads it can do anything but probably place blame on either the leadership or Kovu. I think you post is just stirring up unnecessary and possibly untrue doubts. That will probably be the only "impact" that will be gotten out of this post.
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I was extremely angry when nobody in the forum knew about FH+ but Facebook and Deviantart both had announcements. This is the OFFICIAL website, the official forums. We expect to know first. FH+ should not have been announced through gossip on side sites, it needed its own announcement here. Everything we know about future game developments comes from gossip from other sites.
The official site for the game means nothing. Straight up. We get no news updates. We get nothing. When we sign up for the game, we get given a forum account. THIS IS A GAME FEATURE AND WE'RE IGNORED!
I want to see patches, I love patches. I don't care if the only thing that changes is the font, it means there is someone doing something to the game. It means that yes, we will get wings some day, yes the group glitch will be fixed, YES WE ARE STILL ALIVE!
The last patch was July 13th. Four months ago. Out of nowhere we get FH+, which is promptly removed because of content problems. How could the game be released even for half a second with music from a popular game series RIGHT IN THE MAIN SCREEN? Unprofessional. On top of that, when it was released it was taken down again! Finally up, third time is a charm right? WRONG! The installer is broken, causing a huge percentage of members to experience a MAJOR game glitch. Now that the cause is known, and the fix is laughably easy (all that needs to be changed is the default install location). Maybe I shouldn't complain. The first version of it never even had an installer.
The way I see it is that we aren't cared about. Not as members of the game, and not as DEVOTED members of the OFFICIAL forum.
It seems Kovu cares more about Facebook and Deviantart than he cares about www.feral-heart.com (http://www.feral-heart.com). The majority of the games devotion is concentrated here, the most experienced and helpful members are here, helpful guides, fun downloads, contests, events. It's all here.... but where is Kovu?
There is no evidence the game is being worked on... it feels abandoned.
Staff has been quitting. It's all falling apart.
Feralheart is dying...
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Abigail, if you think this is stirring up unnecessary and untrue doubts, then you obviously haven't been paying enough attention to the community or haven't been here long enough to know what we are talking about. All is true, and NEEDS to be said. And sorry if what I juist said sounds harsh, but it's true.
Kovu, I have been with FH for a while, pretty much since it came out, or longer. At first sure, I enjoyed it, but then I noticed things that are wrong. Glitches that were never fixed no matter how many updates you put out, a report button that doesn't even work, and most obvious all, A GAME CREATOR THAT CARES NAUGHT FOR THE COMMUNITY. You know what makes a game? Not graphics or a face book page, or pretty things that lag people out and are full of issues, but the COMMUNITY. And if you don't get your act together you're going to lose it. I swear, sometimes the only reason I stuck around here was because I was waiting for FH to change, for YOU to change, to get your act together, and start doing something with this game, start improving it, to care about it and what happens to it. So much could be done with FH, it could really go far! But with you at the reigns it won't unless you actually start to do something with it. That or you could hand the reigns over to someone who truly cares about FH and is willing to take it places! There is so much untapped potential, and you are unwilling to either see that or do anything with it! I'd love to see the day where FH is fixed up and starting to really get going! But you haven't done anything to really contribute to that yet. Yes, wings and prey will be coming, but just how many more bugs and glitches will that bring, when there are already those that have yet to be fixed despite update after update? Are we going to have to suffer with more that you either ignore or just don't care about? Please, either start to care for this game and help it grow, or give it to someone who WILL. Why is it the official FH website seems to be the last to know about anything that happens to this game? It's just wrong, and needs to be changed, RIGHT NOW.
And WHO knows what was going through your head when FH+ was given teh go ahead. As Sameth said, there have been so many issues right off the bat, it's ridiculous. The only thing FH+ has accomplished so far is splitting up the community so it is harder to moniter and watch AND BE A COMMUNITY, and cause so many issues that it is just RIDICULOUS.
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To Red: I don't know anything about the leadership here on FH, or about how Kovu is dealing with mods. This post to me seems like it shouldn't be up here because you mentioned you hadn't first contacted Kovu ("Dear KovuLKD, creator of IT and FH, I have never been a long nice conversation with you personally and I should've probably tried to contact you somehow with this subject, but for a greater impact this is the way I choose. ") and its not as if any other person who reads it can do anything but probably place blame on either the leadership or Kovu. I think you post is just stirring up unnecessary and possibly untrue doubts. That will probably be the only "impact" that will be gotten out of this post.
I was some weeks ago an admin on this forum and the game, and because of exactly what Red has postet: I have left the game.
It is how Red says it, and the sad thing about it is: It was never better, it was always this.
Fact is that we already tried MANY times to talk to Kov person to perons and NOTHING got better just worse.
And since Kov is not paying attention to a single person, then he should pay attention to all the users who realy want to help since a long time, and how we try to make the game better and he is the key for it but denies everything we suggest or offer.
Thats a simple fact. And since you dont know whats going on, you have no right to push it that far to say that Red trys to stirr things up. He is just finally exploding with the truth cause he also cant take that shit anymuch longer. I was on the team even before the game was public and i sure as hell know whats going on and can tell you that you wouldnt talk that way if you would have to deal with such a selfish person who gives a sh-(sorry) for the community and game like that oh so holy gamecreator of FH does.
It is simply hilarious.
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The worst part is, as this thread increases in size, as people pour these burning truths, the unanswered questions still loom above us. Will Kovu take the time to even read this? And if he would, what would run through his mind? Would anything change? Would he come down to us, and take his place as a true and adored asset to this community? Would he come as a leader, with something more than empty promises, and earn the respect of everyone? Would he be noble, selfless, to lower his pedestal just enough to make room for another? Or would he simply stare, stoic, unmoved by the condition of his own creation? Are our efforts, our cries for help, simply in vain? What kind of person would craft something so wonderful, so close to perfect in the eyes of hundreds, but abandon it to fester and rot beneath a pile of excuses, as the wonder of it slowly turns to corruption?
Will we ever know?
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The worst part is, as this thread increases in size, as people pour these burning truths, the unanswered questions still loom above us. Will Kovu take the time to even read this? And if he would, what would run through his mind? Would anything change? Would he come down to us, and take his place as a true and adored asset to this community? Would he come as a leader, with something more than empty promises, and earn the respect of everyone? Would he be noble, selfless, to lower his pedestal just enough to make room for another? Or would he simply stare, stoic, unmoved by the condition of his own creation? Are our efforts, our cries for help, simply in vain? What kind of person would craft something so wonderful, so close to perfect in the eyes of hundreds, but abandon it to fester and rot beneath a pile of excuses, as the wonder of it slowly turns to corruption?
Will we ever know?
My biggest fear is that he'll read this and give up and we'll lose what we have for FH.
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My biggest fear is that he'll read this and give up and we'll lose what we have for FH.
As is mine, though it does not matter. The game will be lost if something is not done anyways, just in a slower way.
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My biggest fear is that he'll read this and give up and we'll lose what we have for FH.
As is mine, though it does not matter. The game will be lost if something is not done anyways, just in a slower way.
Actually, kov cant do shoot. Ram pays for the server, it's not like he can shut it down himself without getting Ram to do it. sure, Kov could mess whit the coding in an update, but we could always just take said coding and rework it back to normal in a black-market sort of way. But i doubt Kov would do this, sicne he probably doesnt give a care enough to act out of spite. but i thought yesterday, and heres what:
If kov doesnt give a shoot about the game, why would he even look at our posts? would he just dismiss this, and our ravenous ranting be all for nothing?
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Well its like they say "the roads bumpy but we get there" yeah times are rough and everyones bringing up valid points which I agree on to the fullest and thats why my post wont be as long as the others because it would just be me restating everything, but Im sure with numbers of the community commenting and its only going to grow that something will eventually be done. This game is perfect and means alot to everyone on here and is why were so dedicated on this subject.To be honest nones at fault for bringing this up, infact,its a good thing that it was brought up cause now something can be done about it, wouldn't you agree?
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But i doubt Kov would do this, sicne he probably doesnt give a care enough to act out of spite. but i thought yesterday, and heres what:
If kov doesnt give a shoot about the game, why would he even look at our posts? would he just dismiss this, and our ravenous ranting be all for nothing?
^Exactly. But it would just show the community what kind of person he is, if he does choose to react this way.
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AMEN Red, Amen. <3
Kovu. Either you need to hire someone that is capable of fixing the problems, or hand the game over to someone else if you're just going to leave us here. I've never seen you on the forums except probably once, when I viewed your profile. If it is too much stress for you anymore, try as I suggested.
and about your FaceBook game.
WHY are you making another game when your current game, FeralHeart, which has become a complete HIT, needs attention? You ignore it like a dead animal! Along with your players! Does FH not matter anymore? Would you like it to die just as IT did?
I was driven back to Impressive Title because of Feralheart's condition. I consider Impressive Title better than FH's condition. Just my opinion. This needs to change, and it needs to change now before you lose more members, or even lose FH altogether.
To tell you the truth, Kovu. You need to face some facts. I and many others don't see FH surviving after the release of Aro'Kai. Sorry bud, I realize you have a life, but is it that hard to hop on the forum once in awhile to at least post a bit on the forums? Just to let everyone know you haven't totally ABANDONED us? Because that's what it sems like to me at this point.
You've abondoned us, Kovu.
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AMEN Red, Amen. <3
Kovu. Either you need to hire someone that is capable of fixing the problems, or hand the game over to someone else if you're just going to leave us here. I've never seen you on the forums except probably once, when I viewed your profile. If it is too much stress for you anymore, try as I suggested.
and about your FaceBook game.
WHY are you making another game when your current game, FeralHeart, which has become a complete HIT, needs attention? You ignore it like a dead animal! Along with your players! Does FH not matter anymore? Would you like it to die just as IT did?
I was driven back to Impressive Title because of Feralheart's condition. I consider Impressive Title better than FH's condition. Just my opinion. This needs to change, and it needs to change now before you lose more members, or even lose FH altogether.
To tell you the truth, Kovu. You need to face some facts. I and many others don't see FH surviving after the release of Aro'Kai. Sorry bud, I realize you have a life, but is it that hard to hop on the forum once in awhile to at least post a bit on the forums? Just to let everyone know you haven't totally ABANDONED us? Because that's what it sems like to me at this point.
You've abondoned us, Kovu.
well said feather but to be honest I don't believe everyone will leave FH for AK when it comes out. FH has alot of loyal members besides myself that will stick by its side, Me and a alot of others have been here since January when FH first came out and I mean look threw all the hardships FH had and everyone is still here trying to make things work. All were asking for is more structure kov, a game like this with its growing numbers can get a bit crazy and juggling both a game and real life can be hard, we know, trust us,but all we ask is for you to be a more active and here for us to help and give updates when needed. We all need help once in awhile and as hard as it must be to ask for it for alot of people,trust me I understand that, sometimes its necessary at least for a bit just to straighten things back to normal. This isint an attack kov,we just love FH and we want to keep it alive for as long as possible.All of us, admins,mods,citizens are all here showing are passion for the game and to keep it around. Some things just need to be taken care of.
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Oh, I know, Rocky. I know there are some very loyal members.
however, I can easily see FH slowly being emptied after the introduction of Aro'Kai.
I also really do not see how Kovu couldn't have just been a tad bit active on the forums. It blows my mind how the creator of the game doesn't seem to care or visit said game. I've only seen him online once, and that was in a friend's screenshot. I don't expect him to be super active, but I'd at least like to SEE him at least once on this forum, posting information instead of leaving his staff in the dark to fend for themselves. They're steering blind here! Without structure, FH will fall.
It's getting into code red stage. We need Kovu to step in obviously, because even his head admin, Red, is getting concerned.
The fact that Red hasn't spoken with Kov much at all also worries me. You CANNOT. I repeat CANNOT. Have order without communication and without the staff team working as just that: a team.
I think the current staff can handle it just fine as of now, but they have no idea where to go. They have virtually no direction from Kovu. Many have quit the staff because of this situation, including one of my good friends, Gem.
I have talked to her before and she described the current situation as a complete mess.
After seeing this thread, I have to agree.
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If you want to believe that the staff is a mess you are very free to do so. I do believe what we aim for is more clear when we spend the time here as we do. However I can't see where kov is planning with this game, nor where it's heading when nothing is really done.
As mentioned, the staff can't do anything about the game if they are not given the help or admittance to do so. Things that need changes and fixes will just lay there, and we will have to deal with something we simply can't because the game remains what it is with no changes.
This is simply not that we need help with what to do, this is more about things that we can't do because how things are. Please understand this since it's crucial. The concern is all about the game, and we aren't able to do anything even though changes are needed, kov is one that are able to make this happen though and this can almost be seen as a cry for help when it comes to the game.
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Well said Red, well said.
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If you want to believe that the staff is a mess you are very free to do so. I do believe what we aim for is more clear when we spend the time here as we do. However I can't see where kov is planning with this game, nor where it's heading when nothing is really done.
As mentioned, the staff can't do anything about the game if they are not given the help or admittance to do so. Things that need changes and fixes will just lay there, and we will have to deal with something we simply can't because the game remains what it is with no changes.
This is simply not that we need help with what to do, this is more about things that we can't do because how things are. Please understand this since it's crucial. The concern is all about the game, and we aren't able to do anything even though changes are needed, kov is one that are able to make this happen though and this can almost be seen as a cry for help when it comes to the game.
I understand completely about your concern, as I share it too. I wasn't trying to diss the current staff or anything, as I am completely sure you all work very hard to keep this game going for the members, nor was I suggesting you guys have no idea what you are doing. Just that having some help/direction from the creator of the game itself is very much needed, and said creator seems to be ignoring the game altogether.
Kovu has to learn that just because he hired a staff team, doesn't mean he can leave said staff to control the game without his presence! He's the complete boss. The one in charge of FH's fate. Right now, he's leaving FH to die.
I personally think Kovu needs to set priorities. My opinion is that he should have fixed up FH before he started on this facebook game.
I also suggest Kovu take notice of all the concerns of the FH community. I know several people that have messaged him on facebook, since he is obviously oblivious to the issues on the forum and game, and every single time he either doesn't reply, or denies their concern.
In fact, I seriously doubt Kovu will even see this thread unless someone links it on his Facebook page or something.
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Well said Red.
Ever since joining FH back in January, I've always had high hopes for an awesome game, because I heard IT was amazing, and everyone loved it. As months dragged on, I've become quite familiar with the community and had quite a lot of friends. FH is the reason why I have many good friends now.
Like you said, something has to be done about FH. I left before because I felt as if it was going no where. That was back in July, a bit before the recent patch was released. I left because I had realized that nothing was going to be done about FH, and looking back a few times on Kovu's profile, I saw that he has not signed in for quite a while. I was shocked, because he was the creator of FH, and I thought he would be active on the forum. But, I realized why he wasn't active. It was because he was away working on a facebook game. I was shocked because I thought he would be working on FH instead, since it pretty much is a WIP. So then I just left, since I noticed nothing was going to be done about FH, as it seemed in my eyes. I came back because I felt like revisiting the community I was once so interested in. Upon my return, I saw a lot a few rant threads, and FH+ being released. I was really confused then because why couldn't Kovu just make that an FH update? I mean, does FH+ really have to be separate? Is it that hard to implement it onto the old FH? It would have made many users happy. Since FH+ doesn't work on my computer and others as well, from what I've seen. Really. Kovu, if you're trying to satisfy the FH community, do come back and work on FH bugs, etc. Instead of making new versions of FH for users to parade around in.
NOTE: I am NOT in anyway trying to be disrespectful here. I'm only giving my honest opinion on this issue.
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You have a lot of guts to actually say all of this, Red.
I agree on what you have said; The bug glitches need fixing. Kov has said ingame once that he has no clue how to fix the bug on why the groups disappear after a while, and that's not his fault, so he need time to work out how to fix it - but he does need to fix it. Someone can't just go "I dunno, I give up", it just doesn't work that way.
I have heard from people that Kov refuses to actually let them help him with Feralheart.
All he needs to do is add a few things in once every few months; Or even better, make an auto-updater the staff can have to add in markings and emotes when we feel we want/need too.
The members here all love Kov's game. But how long will it be before they're completely bored of it? I can't remember what game it was, but it didn't get a small update in years, and the member rate dropped from 1,000 online a day to 5 at most. We don't want that happening to FH.
So, what do you members think? Will you sooner or later get bored of the current FH we have and want bigger updates in the future? We got told Wings and Prey are coming. Is that still happening, and if it is, how many months until it actually happens?
I have sent this thread to Kov. I'd like you members to post your opinions on the current FH and how often you would like to see updates so he can see~
I hate to say it, but I know of decent amount of people who are already bored of FH. I myself am one. I thought FH+ would be enough to get that excitement back, but it really wasn't. A nice big update with bugs and glitches fixed and possibly some new markings or emotes or SOMETHING could keep us entertained, if even for a little while.
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I completely agree with you Red, and personally would be happy to help develop this game and go down swinging for it. I've been a game developer for many years (As a hobby) and none of my games were actually released. But, I made them for the practice, passion, and fun of doing so; And if Kovu can't be bothered to actually maintain and manage such a task, then he should throw the stick to someone else that would gratefully carry it.
I hope you're heard and something is done to give this game a kick in the tires; So it can properly give everyone a run for they're money.
~Kekitan
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Honestly Red, i agree. I'm not against Kovu in any horrible way, im glad he made a game for us etc. But like stated from many ppl. Take some Dam pride in your game and keep it updated. FH+ to me and i love TLK4ever, was a joke, many things added to FH are bugged, glitch, slow, not tested properly....and generally NOT needed. I enjoyed the idea of having it expanded more, but why not do that for the game itself? Im grateful for the many members who provide stuff for this game, i do likewise with my Presets and Maps. I also try to help on the forums at times with questions. But there is tooo many questions regarding bugs.
Bugs ha its funny now, they've never been fixed from day 1 !!! Group Glitch, Chat, clicking on ppls name and getting differ usernames up, bad tokens, too many to keep typing...and i mean WAYY to many. I have offered my help in the past, offered suggestions, some ideas, even some computer help, which i do for friends anyways. But why continue when in the end another issue will arise..because yet again nothing is being fixed. Only thing i can be glad about atm is the increased Activity of the mods on game. Some yea are WAY to HARSH warning u for saying ass while others allow chars with the name sex hump ppl, rape ppl, stupid trollers, and fights to arise. All the mods need to be on the same lvl of discipline, because if one doesn't take action to many players its considered ok until suddenly a random ban. WITHOUT WARNING! Now i haven't been banned myself, yes some perfect angel -.- eh...but friends text me message me etc bout convo's they have had with mods and banning s in which i clearly see nothing wrong.
Maps...good ol maps. That are completely BORING! i cant wait to jump on the rock with another 50 players because everyone sticks in either Bonfire (major lag fest) or flourite. I loved the pathways map that was released, and sadly some things needed to be fed with it. But i want maps actually added to game. Not this DOWNLOAD here stuff. I make map packs etc so ppl can have almost a second area on FH. To escape the same ol stuff. And i know of many great map makers on this game that honestly should be part of FH maps for game-play. They should be part of the staff.
Marking is another one, sooo many markings out now, but u gotta download, why not simply ask the person who made it if its ok to add to FH game and make it available to EVERYONE. I know there's been a few additions to markings...(yay for 2-3 markings -.-) Hammy makes like 50+ markings, My group has there own we make a bunch of em, there's over 200+ markings u can easily find through members, JUST ADD em already. This goes for emotes, is it really that hard to add them....
All in all this is more rant then suggestions now, cuz i know this will proly fall on deaf ears, another members saying his/her ideas...thoughts...that apparently don't matter. This and i fear to say this...THIS is why MOST will move to Arokai. Not that im dragging them in or anything, but shes putting alot of thought into her game, the ideas ppl suggest to her. FH can be the same, i don't wanna see it become a back seat driver, and never be used again if everyone likes Arokai. FH needs many fixes, that's what needs to be done, maps,markings,presets can wait...We have or own way of getting them atm, But fix the bugs already, its one reason why im moving from this game eventually if i see that no matter what i do Nothing will be accomplished.
So id like to thank you Red, u broke the way for this, this discussion was up before, but was removed and by whom i have no idea, this was months ago. I'm sure now that Kovu finally see's that its not just us complaining that even staff cant deal wit this crap anymore....
Edit: Forgot to add...STOP MESSING WITH FB AND WORK ON GAME INSTEAD. Im tired of Flash games, FB this and that, oh look FH now has a FB!...uhhh who cares? i want a working game, not a FB page, not to mention a flash game that proly works better then this game... Sorry my opinion right there with anger ._.
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Ok im not really that old of a member unless five months is old anyways, i do know the game needs fixes like everyone says. Anyways im going to keep this short but more than likely not sweet. (ok its obvious i have no clue what to say) But like everyone said it does need fixes. A fix that would be epical is if temple of dreams got fixed. Ive noticed that its a pain in the rear is when small canines or felines (pups or kittens) try to climb up the last stairs before they reach the top, if theyre running that is, they fall down and go splash into the water below. Same with that real big Platuoe (please excuse bad spelling) thingy by cape portal. Also like Tik said, there does need to be an age limit. Although rape has gone down there are still pedofiles. Anyways Ouka amazing post it was epical although im not so sure if it was for kovu if he even bothers reading this site anymore. ~Mirror
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Alright. Here we go...
Red, amen to everything you said. Everything you stated. I'm glad I saw this posted.
Kovu, do you even care anymore? Does this game mean absolutely nothing to you anymore? I've talked about this with a lot, and I mean a LOT of people. I know I'm not very active here any more guys, but I do still keep myself up to date with everything going on. I know that you have a reason to be making a Facebook game, and I know it will eventually do you good. But Kovu, right now I see you as having two choices, those being:
1. Give the game to someone who can handle it, who can get everything updated and get this game back on track.
or...
2. Get in gear and start working on it yourself.
I know you don't want to get help, you make that point obvious, but at this point I think you NEED help. Keep thinking you can do this on your own, go right ahead, but if you think that... Why don't you even do it? Why don't you show us you can? The people I have talked with have all agreed with me that this game has amazing potential, I can think of so many new things that can be added right off the top of my head without problem. And I mean new updates in general, not just making FH like Impressive Title. We are a whole new game, a whole new community, I think we deserve some completely new add-ons, but that's besides the topic right now.
There are a lot of bugs that still need to be worked out, bugs from the first release of the game. It's been out for what.. 10 months now? Maybe more? Not sure. But someone tell me when the last update was. The last OFFICIAL update, not FeralHeart+ or Feralistic.
Come to think of it, FH+ wasn't even made by someone on the actual STAFF TEAM. Simba took the time to make it himself, and that's not even considered an update to the actual game. Same thing with Feralistic, although Sly was on the team at one point in time.
I say it again Kovu, this game has so much potential, and we can make something great out of it. It doesn't have to die when AroKai is out. It doesn't have to die now. But whether it does or not is up to you at this point.
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I agree with all of this.
Enough said. I really can't add anything.
Red, thank you for posting this.
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I do get sick of the lag and the bad tokens. :P I mean, there is allot of people. Even wolves that trolololol cats, spammers, beggars, etc..
I think Kov needs to delete the movie thing, people spam it!
That is all. :P
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I agree Red. I have been here since about the beginning of the year and most of the things that said were gonna come haven't yet. besides not having updates for months? Its annoying too :/ I love FH and I want it to stay alive.
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Welp, I'll admit. I was here since pretty much the beginning of FH, I decided to look back at the forums, and I agree. I fully support this post. I already saw this coming eventually, considering there really wasn't any BIG updates, no matter how many times i visited. But I don't have much to say, since everyone else spoke it already. FH will die if kov doesn't take responsibility of this game as the owner. That's with all games, not just this one.
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Yes please, Kovu! I agree and I also think that other players would like the updates like wings and prey and battle and what-ever you and or the staff were thinking of. I also agree you do need some time off. Not meaning to be rude about this but I do think you should read some of the posts. I know you have a good life and you aren't like me who sticks my face in the computer all day on the weekends or weekdays. I admire that alot.. :D I'm happy to wait as long as you need to make the Facebook game and fix Feralheart. I also appreciate FH+ and possible thoughts you might be thinking of adding to the game in an update. I honestly don't care about wings or prey and what-not. Just as long as you care for the game. D: Thank you all and thank you Kovu if you are / for reading this.
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I have to say, The FH+ Simba made was a nice add-on to Feralheart, yet KovuLKD, you do need to work on your game atleast a little. People needz you! And, you don't want to stand out as those creators that aren't that active or update the game, you want to be known as the creators that do take part in the game and add huge wonderful updates! Like fixing how the manes if set to black look grey, or how when night comes the manes do not shade and tend to 'glow'. You do have some coding skills, and you can fix it! Also, don't let the community's modifications take care of it, Do one yourself! Make the grass move like the ones in Impressive Title /shunned. I know that if you were reading this thread, you'd be like "Too long; Didn't read." yet the game does need atleast a few more updates! However, I know you may be adding wings in Christmas. Which I got that information from the people shouting in Water Mill's general... So why not try, and fix those glitches? Like the connection glitch in Cape Of Distant Worlds, when you loose connection, you appear in the water running, start to float when you walk on higher terrains or rocks, see yourself loose connection yet your still ingame etc. I have to say though, I couldn't thank you more for Feralheart, Yet the staff team itself isn't the creator of it, You are KovuLKD!
Also, it would be so wonderful if the textures were made a bit more realistic, there was prey and all of that good stuff... Yet if you ever did add items, don't make it all rare and stuff, bonfire island would be FLOODED with 'trading this, trading that'
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I am now seeing back then why kovu is deciding to shut it down and give the game and server source to flametail. I could only guess that means we'll see more private servers in the future soon
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FH's been going downhill since the last update. It's getting extremely boring waiting for this update. Kovu, do you even care about your game, staff, and members anymore? I remember there was a person by the name of Kovu_LKD on the game a few months back, and you came on and banned them. That didn't hurt, did it? My question here is; If that was easy enough, what about getting online often? Was just creating it and releasing it to the public it for you, not bothering to point out the obvious glitches and fix them? I understand you are probably busy right now, but when you have free time, it won't hurt to HELP your staff with things.
I'm probably coming off as a bit rude here, added to the fact that I'm pointing out what has been said MANY times and that this message probably won't make much sense here, but I, too, feel as though my voice counts here.
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FH's been going downhill since the last update. It's getting extremely boring waiting for this update. Kovu, do you even care about your game, staff, and members anymore? I remember there was a person by the name of Kovu_LKD on the game a few months back, and you came on and banned them. That didn't hurt, did it? My question here is; If that was easy enough, what about getting online often? Was just creating it and releasing it to the public it for you, not bothering to point out the obvious glitches and fix them? I understand you are probably busy right now, but when you have free time, it won't hurt to HELP your staff with things.
I'm probably coming off as a bit rude here, added to the fact that I'm pointing out what has been said MANY times and that this message probably won't make much sense here, but I, too, feel as though my voice counts here.
I thought KovuLKD made FH as a replacement of IT, since it got hacked and stuff, I don't think that he would be online often, because people have a life. And also you don't see Notch on every Minecraft server do you? I'll probably be bashed now, yet the thread was mainly because of the game. The REAL downfall of Feralheart is it's community. It's a good game and all, Very wonderful for roleplaying, and a great place to have fun and chat, yet there are those hateful trolls wandering ingame, My karmas gonna sink. dawww..
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Definition of community- a group of people with a common background or with shared interests within society
I read every single one of the posts made so far and I agree with every one of them except for one. "You have abandoned us Kovu." KovuLKD, if I were you, this message would tear me up. You got a perfectly good team of horses but nobody to steer them. I suggest you step up in the wagon and take the reins. If you really cared about the community, you would stop makin a Facebook game and get busy fixin the real Feral Heart. Facebook has plenty other games and most of the people that I know don't even play FB games. There are so many bugs and glitches in FH, but you want to go make another game that might have more bugs/glitches to worry about. You really need to start carin, cuz you been quieter than a rat peein on cotton round the forums. And I hope you take the time and read every single one of the posts made by all of these members who actually don't want to see Feral Heart die, because Arokai is all I hear about in-game. And also, not trying to be mean or nothing, but you really need to stop being so selfish and give others the chance to help out with the game, cuz if you don't, FH will go down the drain. And I have a website for a pack that has no members AT ALL, but I still go around and check to see if I have any joining applications and edit it to make it better. That's what you need to do. But, unlike my site, you have hundreds of members that want to see Feral Heart improve, not die. You need help.
And lookie here, I took the time to look up some quotes that MIGHT inspire you to get help. Thanks to
http://www.inspirationalspark.com/teamwork-quotes.html (http://www.inspirationalspark.com/teamwork-quotes.html,) for the quotes btw.
"Many hands make light work." ~John Heywood
"Coming together is a beginning.
Keeping together is progress.
Working together is success. "
~ Henry Ford
"Teamwork divides the task and multiplies the success. "
~ Unknown
And here's one that I really think KovuLKD should read, I think it's my favorite. v v v
"It is amazing how much you can accomplish when it doesn't matter who gets the credit. "
~ Unknown
So Kovu, listen to the people, and I'm sorry if I offend you, but you should have fixed these bugs before you even started the FB game.
~Brittany~
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^^^ I agree with Brittany. I came to FH at the very beginning O_O (the creation of my addiction) XD looking for a fun-filled game with a friendly community. I even wanted to MEET Kovu because I thought he was so amazing for creating a game like this but now, I've started to lose interest and so have my friends, Kovu is NEVER on, there are no updates and now he's creating a Facebook game? I don't know I think:
1. Fix errors/bugs
2. Skip the Facebook game until Feral Heart is working properly (bad tokens are my worst enemy >:( )
3. Have the community think of ideas for Feral Heart, ask them what THEY want.
4. (Like Ringo said) If you can't handle it Kovu, I understand it's a lot to hang on to: give it to someone who would run it :)
5. MAKE MORE MAPS!!! I would love it, look at all the maps on Impressive Title compared to Feral Heart and besides it would help tone down the bad tokens.
6. Markings markings markings. I know we have quite the selection but if we have more to choose from, it'd make us all more unique (Sorry, i've sort of turned that into a suggestion but it would keep the members more entertained)
7. Add other actions/ interesting parts of the game. This is ALWAYS what I look forward too but there's hardly any updates
LAST BUT NOT LEAST: Kovu, you made Feral Heart, you should be proud of yourself and we are just looking out for you. I don't want it to die out and hopefully neither do you :) so hopefully you take somethings into consideration and TAKE ACTION!! :D trololo
Happy FeralHearting
MorgraWolf
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Okay. People.
I got one thing to say to you guys.
Lay. Off.
Honestly people. Kov has done so much for us. Sure, he's having a slow time recently getting updates or fixing bugs but you all know just as well as I do that without him WE WOULDN'T EVEN HAVE THIS GAME.
You all complain so much about this.
"Oh where's our wings?"
"We want hunting!"
"I want more markings!"
Honestly, you all need to sit back and realize something.
Kovu HAS A LIFE away from making this game.
Sure, in a perfect world, we'd be seeing updates back and forth.
But tell me.
Tell me how easy it would be to update a game like this all the time...
-When you're in college.
-When you have a life away from this
-When you may be having problems out of the game.
People, you have yet to realize that something may be wrong with Kovu.
Like what if his computer broke or something?
Are your greedy "needs" blocking your way to see that the person who made this game what it is today could be dying and all you would be worrying about is your updates.
You guys have yet to realize that Kovu doesn't even know half of his mods.
Why?
Why don't you tell me.
Because I would LOVE to know the reason why the OWNER AND CREATOR of a game doesn't even know the people that work for HIS GAME.
I'll admit, red, you have some points here and there.
But the reason Kov doesn't want anyone helping him with the game is probably the same reason that I don't like to be helped making my comic.
It's a case of self-accomplishment. And he doesn't want anyone to mess it up. No matter how detailed the instructions are, there will always be room for failure.
And you people who have yet to admit that this game is absolutely amazing at the moment, think back to a long time ago.
Before we had roar and howl.
Before we had the party chat.
Before we had the lip-sync
Before...everything.
Think back to the first edition of FH and compare it to now.
And sure, FH+ came blatantly out of nowhere, but that isn't Kovu's fault. He let Simba do it because maybe he thought it would be nice for the game.
Or for all we know FH+ may just be a test run of an update to come.
Seriously.
Why can't you people think of both sides.
-SHIEKRA (because my forums account fails me, I use this one o3o)
though you all may better know me as Jarei the Lioness 8D
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I didn't think everyone would just go "whey! I agree", and some posts do seem more like a complete "I want stuffz for dis game!".
I don't really think you realize what's going on here though, the majority here knows people has their lives, but that's not excuse for trying to get things to work.
So listen closely now.
Not every single thing that would improve FH requires a whole afternoon.
Even though every thread might trail of slightly no matter what subject, this has nothing to do with greedyness and "Ohhh so sparkle updates" that the majority probably wants but doesn't need. Function is a part of this.
About thinking from "both sides", I don't exactly see how you do this right now. I think about the first version of the game more than you probably assume, and also what's been going on between this.
It's a case of self-accomplishment. And he doesn't want anyone to mess it up. No matter how detailed the instructions are, there will always be room for failure.
This I understand, but thinking that way doesn't work for a game like this, comparing a game with thousands of members to a comic doesn't cut it. Give a few minutes away of your day and let people do something and it probably wouldn't be as bad.
What I really can't understand is going through all this trouble making this wonderful game and then not do something about obvious issues.
And these issues 90% lead back nowhere but here, and as mentioned, they can't be dealt with or not even tried to be fixed if people aren't allowed to.
Not everyone in this thread comes here as they see their chance to beg after updates with wings, fighting or nice things that do in fact require some work and time, but to let out what is needed.
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Okay, before I start, I just wanna say this;
Red, I am really friggin' proud of you. I know I'm just a member and all, but really...
I have been a member of the Impressive Title/Feral Heart Legacy since August of 2008. Never before had I seen a staff member speak out on the game, and for the wellfare of users and staff.
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Now that I said that, I shall state my opinions, on defense of both sides.
And forgive me if I offend any of you guys.
Now then, Big Black Bullet here has stated some pretty good facts. I don't think I need to repeat them. No matter what, there's always something in life that might delay us from other things; and there's a lot of big stuff out there that will serve as delays...but for good reasons.
And for Kov, there's probably a lot of stuff out there that are probably keeping him busy, and just as BBB said; there's a lot of things out there that is more important than a game, Life especially.
Now then, there are plenty of things that I have to agree with Red on.
If it is true that Kovu prefers to do things himself, (I'm not saying it necessarily is,) When it comes to specific things, like Multiplayer games, or just anything big in general,
It's gonna take a team, and it's really unlikely that Kovu created the game ALL on his own. Sure, maybe a staff member did just a few textures for the game...that counts as working as a team. In the world of business, a big project can't be completed by one person alone. And in the gaming world business, let's remember that it can take a while for a game to be completed or updated.
Although, FeralHeart isn't exactly like that..Online games naturally take less time to update.
So it's fine with me if it takes a while for the game to be updated. It's really not an issue for me.
Now then, for the random things I must say.
No offense to Simba or FH+ fans, but I did find the new version to be rather uneccessary. Plus, it was rather unexpected. Eye candy is awesome and all, but really, instead of incorperating it into an entirely new game, why not discuss with the staff about putting it in the new update? It does save the trouble;
A couple days ago while I was playing on FH+, someone asked me to help with repairing their black screen. The problem still persists, and even finding that it takes the user's help to fix the problem (And not having a simple readme to appear for the game when installed..) It aggrivates me.
Anyways, I think I've said enough here; since a lot has been stated already from all sorts of folks here.
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red I don't wanna argue with you but I just want to prove my point, so I'm sorry if this annoys you.
But seriously. How do you know if Kovu's even okay right now.
Maybe he HAS been working on a secret update or something.
I mean sure, it's pretty much a 50-50 shot that he may just be lazy versus something being wrong or going on.
And red, lets say he did want to get some help. How could he pick someone to help him when he doesn't even know the majority of who works for him?
Because one person may be better than the other and that one person may be a mod of his that he doesn't even know exists.
And so what if this isn't like one of those big games like World of Warcraft or SecondLife or whatever.
The game isn't even a year old.
It's going through a slow phase most likely.
Do you know how long it took the WOW team to actually get the game up and running right?
They were working on it for YEARS before releasing it.
They made sure to update it to its final point before releasing it.
But FH came out much faster.
But now here's another thing.
How long did it take Kovu to make feralheart?
Now I dont know the exact time but I'm sure it was more than half a year (I actually forgot to be honest)
So what if kovu is working on a HUGE update.
What if he's working on an update that may fix all the problems at once.
What if he's adding all those things that people have been begging for in one huge update instead of small ones.
Maybe that would take a long time.
People need to come to the realization that the community has become Update-Obsessive.
It's not exactly normal for a game like this to be having updates on a monthly basis or whatever. Especially when it comes to bugs and stuff.
So is the problem really the stuff going on or is it that everyone just wants an update because they're used to something new on a regular basis.
What happens when the game is finished. Like when it doesn't need anymore updates or anything
People will want things.
But they won't get it.
But since they're used to getting new things all the time, they will get bored of this final FH.
And they will complain.
Much like what's going on now.
And no, I'm not saying that the bugs shouldn't be fixed. They definitely should.
But people can't expect things to happen right away.
I know the recent bugs have been happening for awhile, but kov has tried to fix them. And now were on a slow run with the updates probably. Honestly. Like I said. For all we know, Kov may be working on one HUGE update to fix and add tons of things that can, and will, take more than an afternoon.
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Maybe he HAS been working on a secret update or something.
You had me at secret. This is going to be short and to the point. BB (can I call you that?) let me tell you something. Kovu has a wonderful staff team. Team. Team.
- Team: A group of people who work together to acheive a similar or same goal.
Secret update just shows how little he utilizes his staff. They are stuck mucking it up with the trolls with the little power they have, while he is off making a facebook game. I actually am excited for the facebook game, but it should not be priority for him. Kovu already has an up and runnning game.
We do not need a huge update. We need a series of small ones. You know why? Because I bet you that if Kovu releases a giant update, there will be more new problems than solutions to old ones. Just saying. Do things slowly and in small bits.
And I may be wrong on this, but I believe it took Kovu a little more than a year to create FH. I could be wrong.
I feel I must agree with Red, on part of his post.
GUYS, STOP WITH THE THE "WE WANT UPDATEZ NAOW!!"
Thats not what this thread is about, it is far more important.
P.S- Don't even begin to compare FH with WOW. Just don't. There are so many reasons why I cannot even begin. The main being that WOW has millions more players, costs money, and is far more advanced than FH.
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After reading Big Black Bullet's post, I just want 2 say I'm sorry if I offended anyone with their beliefs. People believe what they want. My post wadnt about updates, cuz I'm pretty patient with those cuz I no it takes a while. It was about the bugs and glitches. I've read around on the forums and some of them have been in the game unfixed since FH came out. And yes, Kov could be working on a huge update. But the FH+ deal, I think he should at least post somethin on the website to let the mods know about it. And even when I'm really busy, I make the time to come and look for any updates, news, etc. I mean, I'm not on all day, but when I am, I dont see any posts from Kov. But dont get me wrong, I thank KovuLKD and all mods for Feral Heart. It's my favorite game and nowa days, it's the only game I play.
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yes people you can call me bb or whatever im better known as shiekra or jarei though >_>
but honestly what I meant by secret is that like... Not necessarily on his own. Maybe he's working with his team about this.
But I really find it kind of funny that no one's admitting the reason things have been slow lately may be because something could be wrong with kovu.
I find it hilarious actually.
And comparing FH to WOW, I didn't mean to compare it the way I did, trust me. I was just saying it seems like everyone expects it to be like that... Honestly.
Idk about you guys, but I'm happy with fh how it is. Every game is going to have bugs and glitches. If it didn't, then someone should be rewarded. But still. You all seem to bash on Kovu just because you CAN. I've seen complaints back and forth ingame about him. People act like he's never done anything for this game when in reality if it wasn't for him, none of you would be on these forums right now.\
and again.
kov doesn't even know the majority of his "team"
and I just came to realize something...Kov may not feel like he owns this game anymore. I mean, his "team" seems to go do things without him even knowing.
It's like he's not even included in anything.
The mods for example.
It may be razmire's job to get them, but don't you think that if you were the owner of a game that you would want your mod recruiter to maybe be telling you when mods are being recruited. Or to even tell you who they are.
And i know FOR A FACT.
That kovu never even wanted the mods.
I've talked to him about it, trust me, I know.
And I know what you're thinking "how did you get from one thing to mods."
Like this.
It's kovu's game.
Let him run it how he wants to and how he wants to only.
I'm sorry people, but in the end it's up to him. And people complaining won't make it any better.
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Working on huge updates or not, that would be a completely blank space of why things were done a certain way since the start.
It's like you're hungry, the door bell rings, and there's a pizza boy standing there with food just for you, but instead you go and puncture their scooter so they can't get back to their work.
It's a very lousy excuse when it comes to not knowing the staff team, and this is the reason why they are never informed? easy fixes denied, help pushed away, and showing no particular interest to those that spend hours each day with helping the community because of their love to the game.
Yes, he might have busy times right now, he might even have something more going on than that, but then I find it very inappropriate to hear help given to other games and the few changes that are made, are never questioned about even though the changes will truly make differences to a certain amount that already try their hardest. I have some things I could bring up about this, but it would be like going very low to me.
As mentioned, some things do not take long time to sort. There's been pleas for help.
I understand the whole WOW argument, but we know this is not WOW, and they worked on the game more than just a few minutes each day to get it just right. FH was released and tons of people stormed onto it. Someone has to maintain the quality of every product yes? Doesn't matter what they're given, otherwise it will loose quality with time.
If he works on a problem that magically fixes "all" the issues at once, then I find it somewhat odd that small problems that could've been patched or helped to make the whole game easier to manage but also more friendly to the community, causing more than just a few issues for the staff. There's many problems that must be faced, and if there would be a help for us all soon, then we should've gotten to known this so there's hope of aid, I have not heard anything coming back to me or the staff about fixes right now though.
If you see the community update obsessive that's one thing, but this thread start was something different.
I'm not known to be a "do-er" but some things shouldn't take 6 months to address, when I have seen smaller things fixed the same evening because it was someone but the staff calling the problem out.
Even though my post mostly address kov and things that must be done, I understand where you are coming from and that kov is not there to be a punching bag.
But do I really have to make it about me as well? About all the time spent here doing nothing but helping and giving ideas and feedback, showing activity so others can see we are in fact working on things and want more than to show we have a flashy forum mod title. I'm not a tool either, here to help with the game, and bashing around in the glory of my forum title is not why I'm here.
You and me both has a life as well, but we use the time differently and do no live through the same things. We see things different, we work things different. I'd love to get everything, my thoughts, my complaints proved wrong.
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Okay, Big Black Bullet. The jest of you're posts (That I'm getting from skimming them) is pointing out that people have lives and that is why Kovu can't update the game.
Well, unless he just doesn't make time then there should be a update by now! I was and am, have been, I suppose... A game developer for a very long time and fixing bugs or adding a feature DOES NOT take a month, or two, or five, or seven. It takes a couple days, maybe a week or two if you're really trying or even working twenty minutes a day on it.
So, for a fact. I can tell you that Kovu hasn't taken a look at this game in a long, long time. You can basically see that by his forum absence alone.
Are your greedy "needs" blocking your way to see that the person who made this game what it is today could be dying and all you would be worrying about is your updates.
If he was dead, dying or his computer was broken; He wouldn't be ignoring us and making a facebook game.
But the reason Kov doesn't want anyone helping him with the game is probably the same reason that I don't like to be helped making my comic.
It's a case of self-accomplishment. And he doesn't want anyone to mess it up. No matter how detailed the instructions are, there will always be room for failure.
If he actually wanted to accomplish anything... He really would be down here "Accomplishing" rather than not.
Sure, I get that "Self-accomplishment" feeling. But, when you don't even look at something you've made and just let it die... Where is the accomplishment in that?
Maybe he HAS been working on a secret update or something.
I'll go ahead and compare this to "Notch" real quick, the single man that started the internet phenomenon we know as "Minecraft" and what I'm going to point out is; Not even he took this long for a "Secret friday" update! He took one week, added a couple (Or one) new feature to the game and had done with it. I wasn't there when he was doing it, I joined in the Beta release. But, again; Updating a game with any minor bug fix or feature does and should not take this long if that person is truly giving it they're minimal amount of effort.
What if he's working on an update that may fix all the problems at once.
What if he's adding all those things that people have been begging for in one huge update instead of small ones.
Maybe that would take a long time.
Just... No, seriously. Working on one large update is like pulling you're shield out right before the dragon eats you alive. (Skyrim? :3) Also, that is a lot of "What if"(s) you got there. Where as, Red seems to be talking in a lot of definants from my point of view.
People need to come to the realization that the community has become Update-Obsessive.
And you can honestly tell us you wouldn't? If you're favorite game in the entire universe wasn't updated with promised (Promised may be a bit too heavy for that context...) updates from the start? Hunting and wings for example...
But I really find it kind of funny that no one's admitting the reason things have been slow lately may be because something could be wrong with kovu.
I find it hilarious actually.
Refer to quote #1...
I'm still wondering why you're using that for the base of a arguement when Kovu is actively working on a Facebook game and not FeralHeart.
kov doesn't even know the majority of his "team"
and I just came to realize something...Kov may not feel like he owns this game anymore. I mean, his "team" seems to go do things without him even knowing.
It's like he's not even included in anything.
That is really his own fault then; I never hired a team or asked for help with any of my games because I knew I wouldn't be able to keep up with different people, opinions and ideas. But, he did; So, he needs to help them like he should be doing. They go on without him because he's never here for them to go on with him.
And i know FOR A FACT.
That kovu never even wanted the mods.
I've talked to him about it, trust me, I know.
Can you possibly quote him? Hmm? How would he, the absent creator, keep his game alive without his wonderful mods?
I will keep adding to this post until I see fit to stop... Unless asked to, of course.
I think I've added enough to my opinion... And I actually just read Red's posts also. Sorry if I trode on you're paws a bit there, only just realized that you wrote reactions yourself. :-X
Also, I'm not trying to insult Kovu (KovuLKD, the creator of IT and FH) in any way... I'd just wish he'd drink some sodas and get coding! I suggest root beer. <3 ;D
Cheers,
~Kekitan
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how do you know he is even working on the facebook game anymore.
Honestly.
I don't even wanna bother with this anymore but I know i feel like I need to.
And okay, game developer person. I've said more than what you think I have. And everyone's different. What you may think takes a week may take a month for someone else.
Heck, what everyone thinks takes a month could take a year for another.
How do you know what's going on.
And why was this whole post even started? I'm sorry but honestly. If you have a problem with someone go to them, don't start an entire rebellion against that one person.
It gives off bad vibes. And not to mention now because of this I can tell as soon as Kovu logs into fh there are going to be LOADS of people running up to him and complaining to him.
In my opinion, Kov's a good guy. Doesn't take everything too seriously like a lot of people tend to do.
And another thing...
It's not like Kov gets paid to do this.
There's no profit.
He made the game for fun because he likes the lion king.
So what's his drive to keep building on the game if people fire against him and no one supports him?
I get everyone tried to help. Maybe he feels he doesn't want it.
Where in the MMORPG rulebook does it say a game creator needs a team. Where. It's probably recommended, but im 99% positive that Kov has all rights to do this on his own and hold up as long as he wants.
And now look what it's turned into.
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how do you know he is even working on the facebook game anymore.
Honestly.
I don't even wanna bother with this anymore but I know i feel like I need to.
And okay, game developer person. I've said more than what you think I have. And everyone's different. What you may think takes a week may take a month for someone else.
Heck, what everyone thinks takes a month could take a year for another.
How do you know what's going on.
And why was this whole post even started? I'm sorry but honestly. If you have a problem with someone go to them, don't start an entire rebellion against that one person.
It gives off bad vibes. And not to mention now because of this I can tell as soon as Kovu logs into fh there are going to be LOADS of people running up to him and complaining to him.
In my opinion, Kov's a good guy. Doesn't take everything too seriously like a lot of people tend to do.
And another thing...
It's not like Kov gets paid to do this.
There's no profit.
He made the game for fun because he likes the lion king.
So what's his drive to keep building on the game if people fire against him and no one supports him?
I get everyone tried to help. Maybe he feels he doesn't want it.
Where in the MMORPG rulebook does it say a game creator needs a team. Where. It's probably recommended, but im 99% positive that Kov has all rights to do this on his own and hold up as long as he wants.
And now look what it's turned into.
...okay, game developer person.
I do have a name, Big Black Bullet, thanks for asking.
I've said more than what you think I have. And everyone's different. What you may think takes a week may take a month for someone else.
If he bothered to get a whole game out that fast. He can do updates even faster with enough effort.
And why was this whole post even started? I'm sorry but honestly. If you have a problem with someone go to them, don't start an entire rebellion against that one person.
My argument pertains to this whole post and I'm with Red. Why aren't you criticizing him for picking your post apart like I did, eh? If your going to do it to one person, you mind as will do it to all of them.
Additionally, this is only a "Rebellion" if you want it to be. The only thing I see here is some level headed people trying to get something done.
It gives off bad vibes. And not to mention now because of this I can tell as soon as Kovu logs into fh there are going to be LOADS of people running up to him and complaining to him.
That's a bit harsh for one person's opinion, don't you think?
In my opinion, Kov's a good guy. Doesn't take everything too seriously like a lot of people tend to do.
And another thing...
It's not like Kov gets paid to do this.
There's no profit.
He made the game for fun because he likes the lion king.
So what's his drive to keep building on the game if people fire against him and no one supports him?
I get everyone tried to help. Maybe he feels he doesn't want it.
I never said he wasn't a good guy and IF he was still having fun with this, he would be developing it; And if he's not, he could at least be kind enough to pass the golden carrot to someone that would have fun with it.
Where in the MMORPG rulebook does it say a game creator needs a team. Where. It's probably recommended, but im 99% positive that Kov has all rights to do this on his own and hold up as long as he wants.
Sure, he can procrastinate all he wants. It won't get him anywhere.
And now look what it's turned into.
If you're referring to this thread, it's turned into a nice conversation over tea and crumpets (Maybe a bit of cake? :D). I'm not trying to start a war here, just give my opinion and is it a crime that I chose your post as a basis for my opinionated answers?
Could I have some more tea please, and a bit of strawberry cake? (I'm attempting to be funny... :D I do love cake. ;D)
~Kekitan
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Seriously?
Alright, enough.
Behave; this is not a fight; it's simply stating your opinion and feelings.
There are things we disagree on and agree on this topic,
that doesn't mean you go bashing on other peoples' opinions.
Please guys, be polite to each other; some safe ranting, if you please.
Thank you.
Now then, I've said enough. If I decide to add a bit more to what I say, I'll be editting my post.
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smh. You people aren't understanding what I'm talking about.
It's still his game. His rules. His ideas. He can do whatever he wants with it and no one person can change it (no offense, red.)
And I was referring to the game, not the post.
It started out as a game because he loved lion king. But now because of the demands there are the wolf models and everything else. Now I'm not hating on the wolf models, it was a nice touch. But the game is a hollow shell of what it was meant to be. It's barely even what it was meant to be anymore because of the demands and everything.
And I wasn't referring to you for the rebellion thing.
I meant kovu.
Red, I'm sorry but really. This whole thing could of been avoided if you went to Kovu directly instead of posting on here about him.
In my opinion, again sorry, it's a bit rude :/ cause honestly it's making people hate the maker of the game just because you have problems with him and how things are going.
And before you say "he would never respond to me if i went directly to him"
What would make anyone think if he wouldnt respond to a direct message, he would respond to a rant on his forums? Try and tell me that I don't have a point here.
And Kekitan. Let's see this game of yours then. I would love to see what you did in a month.
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smh. You people aren't understanding what I'm talking about.
It's still his game. His rules. His ideas. He can do whatever he wants with it and no one person can change it (no offense, red.)
And I was referring to the game, not the post.
It started out as a game because he loved lion king. But now because of the demands there are the wolf models and everything else. Now I'm not hating on the wolf models, it was a nice touch. But the game is a hollow shell of what it was meant to be. It's barely even what it was meant to be anymore because of the demands and everything.
And I wasn't referring to you for the rebellion thing.
I meant kovu.
Red, I'm sorry but really. This whole thing could of been avoided if you went to Kovu directly instead of posting on here about him.
In my opinion, again sorry, it's a bit rude :/ cause honestly it's making people hate the maker of the game just because you have problems with him and how things are going.
And before you say "he would never respond to me if i went directly to him"
What would make anyone think if he wouldnt respond to a direct message, he would respond to a rant on his forums? Try and tell me that I don't have a point here.
And Kekitan. Let's see this game of yours then. I would love to see what you did in a month.
And Kekitan. Let's see this game of yours then. I would love to see what you did in a month.
Come on now, there is no reason to attack me directly. We're all just sharing our opinions here. :)
And I was referring to the game, not the post.
It started out as a game because he loved lion king. But now because of the demands there are the wolf models and everything else. Now I'm not hating on the wolf models, it was a nice touch. But the game is a hollow shell of what it was meant to be. It's barely even what it was meant to be anymore because of the demands and everything.
I do agree with that. But, maybe he wanted to add wolf models? It's true, game makers are here to cater themselves and open they're imagination to the public. Not for the public to force them into something they don't want to do.
In my opinion, again sorry, it's a bit rude :/ cause honestly it's making people hate the maker of the game just because you have problems with him and how things are going.
Now, that was going a bit far; No one "Hates" (Hate is a very strong word) Kovu because of Red's opinion. We're simply sharing what we think, and would rather Kovu come along and tell us why he's been gone than run up and dump a bucket of (I'm going to use dislike... Hate, really?) dislike all over him.
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I believe I've made my point and no longer see any reason for a back and forth between us to continue. I was simply sharing my opinion, sorry if you took it in a unintended way. So, let's not have this go any deeper, eh?
I'm still inviting people to a imaginary tea and cake party...
Meh, I'm changing it to soda!
A imaginary soda and cake party for anyone that wants to come!
~Kekitan
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how do you know he is even working on the facebook game anymore.
Honestly.
I don't even wanna bother with this anymore but I know i feel like I need to.
And okay, game developer person. I've said more than what you think I have. And everyone's different. What you may think takes a week may take a month for someone else.
Heck, what everyone thinks takes a month could take a year for another.
How do you know what's going on.
And why was this whole post even started? I'm sorry but honestly. If you have a problem with someone go to them, don't start an entire rebellion against that one person.
It gives off bad vibes. And not to mention now because of this I can tell as soon as Kovu logs into fh there are going to be LOADS of people running up to him and complaining to him.
In my opinion, Kov's a good guy. Doesn't take everything too seriously like a lot of people tend to do.
And another thing...
It's not like Kov gets paid to do this.
There's no profit.
He made the game for fun because he likes the lion king.
So what's his drive to keep building on the game if people fire against him and no one supports him?
I get everyone tried to help. Maybe he feels he doesn't want it.
Where in the MMORPG rulebook does it say a game creator needs a team. Where. It's probably recommended, but im 99% positive that Kov has all rights to do this on his own and hold up as long as he wants.
And now look what it's turned into.
You have a good point Jarei but so do they, in the end we need to come to an agreement and sort things out, what we should do is try to organize a list or note to come up with an agreement with kovu to try and straighten things out once and for all, this forum is good to get everyones ideas out thier but in order for change we need to take action, kovu is a good guy and he probably dosent realize the effect of his absence on everyone, I think that we should collect everything in a formal note,message,whatever, message him and try to compromise something. Now idk if you guys all agree on that but in my opinion I believe we needa say something in order for things to be done.
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Well this has become a HUGE debate... aye, Red. You saw it coming.
Instead of making an enormous post here and ranting at you all about stuff; I'm just gonna say I wholeheartedly agree with Red on everything that needs to be done. Don't create a game if you're not ready and willing to put some time into making it better. And if you must... turn the reins over to someone who cares more about it.
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I wouldn't say we don't understand you BBB, I'd say it's more like not agreeing.
As I posted in the first thread, I could've gone to kov directly, but for the greater impact, this is way I choose, it's really my last try to make a difference here.
If things are really as you claim, that he doesn't need to do anything, he can just let the game lay there not care about it or the ones helping running it, then I was so wrong about how life should work and I should give my excuses for even starting this. I know there's some things that doesn't work as it should, but this is extreme to me.
As much as you know about him and what he might be like and going through right now, I'm not sure you realize what people have gone through here to do the better for the game, and it's far from enough. Without his help or "ok" to do something nothing will truly happens. He is the only one that decide what happens with the game, you are right, and that's one of the reasons why the thread was made in the first place.
If you look back on the posts you will see this is not here to create hate or rebellion. It's the love towards the game he made. If kov doesn't want to do anything with the game, I'm not sure how much more time I want to spend helping here. People will still play his game as before even if this thread were ignored or deleted and it will be that hollow shell until something happens if it does.
It's still his game. His rules. His ideas. He can do whatever he wants with it and no one person can change it (no offense, red.)
And he get help running a server, a site and the game, with people willing to spend close to a majority of the day to make it a better place for everyone. Not asking for much, but some help doing this in an easier manner.
...Hope, it gets you far, but not all the way.
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Kov did the coding.
Delay, Tigg, Omega, Nala91, I and some other people did texturing.
Delay and myself did the emotes.
Red, Omega, Tigg, I and some others did the alpha testing.
Razmirz runs the server.
Razmirz chooses the staff, along with a little help from Red, Tigg, myself and some others.
The forum mods actually DO something with the forum (most anyway).
Need I say more?
Kov did the coding, a little texturing, a little developing. Without the admins/mods, FH WOULD NOT EXIST AND WOULD NOT BE LIKE IT IS RIGHT NOW.
It is NOT just 'his game'. It's OURS too.
And if we want something changed, our opinions should matter.
Kov originally planned the game for his members. The game is YOURS too.
It's not just his. Thanks.
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Thanks for making that point Rak$ha.
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im am not putting any hard feelings down but....
dear KovuLLKD,
i have to admit this game is really cool but, it does get boring. i would normally love to go on but then, doing the same things over and over just doesnt seem fun. and i love the FH+ and how everythings diffrent yet you chose someone that doesnt DO much for FH. to me(and no hard feelings) its like your saying that you dont TRUST your staff, just by chooseing a random deviantart person to do an update for the game. and the prey and wings idea i love the ideas. but remember what you said about keeping it an accutal RP by adding items however, you "destroy" the idea that you had. and like Red said you update the FaceBook but not FH its self, like Red said again, its kinda weird. to me its like your saying that YOUR game is not important and that its some "misshapened mistake" that you never want to be part of. i styill and will always love FH and what has become of it, yet, everyone here is right. you need to update this game too, you need to take pride in your work. i understand that everyone here has a life that needs to go on, but as you, being the game host, you got to be able to "take care of" the game. just by fixing the tiny little errors and bugs can make the game better for people that play it. i know that you probally have all these great ideas and you probally dont even have the time to do them. coming from all the fans of FH who look up to u and wonder how does Kovu do it. you probally have all this hidden potential for the game that will never be shown because theres barley any work thats taken into it. i know that by creating this game, making it FREE for all of us, shows alot of comitment but, we would love to see what else you could do.
coming from a loyal FH fan,
Zakari
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Kov did the coding.
Delay, Tigg, Omega, Nala91, I and some other people did texturing.
Delay and myself did the emotes.
Red, Omega, Tigg, I and some others did the alpha testing.
Razmirz runs the server.
Razmirz chooses the staff, along with a little help from Red, Tigg, myself and some others.
The forum mods actually DO something with the forum (most anyway).
Need I say more?
Kov did the coding, a little texturing, a little developing. Without the admins/mods, FH WOULD NOT EXIST AND WOULD NOT BE LIKE IT IS RIGHT NOW.
It is NOT just 'his game'. It's OURS too.
And if we want something changed, our opinions should matter.
Kov originally planned the game for his members. The game is YOURS too.
It's not just his. Thanks.
People, you have yet to realize that something may be wrong with Kovu.
To Big Black Bullet, consider Rak$ha's post. These mods are his team, they've helped him every step of the way. Don't you think it's only fair that they should know if there's something wrong? The biggest problem here is lack of communication, and what appears to be lack of Kovu's will to listen. As I've said, I'm in no way against Kovu. This isn't war. We all love the fact that he's created the game, is it wrong for us to expect he'd be around to maintain it? Personally, I don't care much about new crap. Yes, markings would be great, wings might be fun, hunting might give a new thrill. But six - nine Bad Tokens in a row, on any given night, just trying to get through Flourite? This could easily be solved, possibly by resetting the server as well, but why not add another map or two? Give people more places to congregate rather than Flourite, which stands in the way of two smaller maps, including Cape which is necessary to enter to get to private maps. I'm sure many people would volunteer to make the maps for him. All he would have to do is ingrain them into the game.
I do see what your saying, and I commend you for defending the side that you see everyone else as attacking. But you need to see it from all sides as well. I've considered some of your points even before this thread was made, while listening to Red in Cape. It seems that Kovu really needs to communicate with his staff and members. Even if he didn't want the moderators to begin with, surely he realizes that its them who maintain the game's integrity.
And again, no one should be BASHING Kovu, that won't solve anything but make you look like a selfish brat. If you log on to the game, you should respect what he's done so far. However, when being enlightened to this thread, these points straight from the team that's been assisting Kovu, perhaps you might realize that things do need to change. We love Kovu. We love FeralHeart. It's because we care that we're doing this. I think it's safe to say that no one here wants to watch FeralHeart die, but the possibility is there. We just want to protect what Kovu (and the others) have made.
Hehe, and Kekitan, may you please pass me a pumpkin latte, maybe a slice of that coconut cake? Thank you kindly. :3
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While I've read every post on here, I feel the need to post my thoughts aswell. Even if it is a tad bit late.
I'm going to start off with the fact that I understand how everyone feels, even if they disagree.
I'm part of a huge community ordeal on a touchy subject, and being in a traditional town that hates change, I get alot of feedback from all different sides and walks of life. Even attacks on some people. It's a hard thing to deal with, different opinions. However when dealing with things like this, it's important to keep an open mind, and respect people, even if they don't respect you. And from my seat in my overly cold room, there is alot of head-butting currently. However that's expected, so I'll leave that matter be. But with a last note; I'd strongly advise that we all play nice, because in the end, pointing fingers at eachother on this matter isn't worth it. However this is just my opinion.
I'd like to say, Red, I agree with alot of things you've said here. You've pointed out many things that need fixing, and I understand you're frustration, and where you're comming from as a person in this community as we all want this to get better.
I strongly believe each and everyone of us need to contact Kovu directly, in any way we can, even if it's just a Facebook post. If that's the only way to contact him, then we should jump on that, but not in a bad way. Kovu checks his Facebook often enough, as he accepts friend requests from people every now and then. Even if he doesn't reply, at least we're trying. If he doesn't visit the forms, then we should atleast try that. In no way am I trying to say we should all jump attack him with hateful comments, but express are frustration in a professional way. Because from my experience, if it's not expressed in a professional way, nobody seems to see it.
In my opinion, Kovu needs alot of help bringing this game back to life like when it first came out. He needs to let people help him. Because when you're making a game, and a good one at that, you need alot of help. Whenever you're doing something that's going to be big, that has a big community, you can't possibly do it all yourself. Even if you planned on it in the first place. At first it's fun, and you have tons of energy going you're way. However, overtime it becomes stressful, the fun has left, and it becomes another job on you're belt that you don't even get payed for. And that's when you start to slack-off, and start a new project. Such as Kovu's Facebook game. It's new, and it brings back the fun. But then you leave all the other people in the dust with you're original project, and things become chaotic for them. [Speaking from personal experience.]
So yes, there are some things you can do yourself. However when there's a community involved, it's better to have help. Otherwise things go haywire, such as things have gotten now.
I strongly believe that the issue here is communication. We have to sides here. There's us, and Kovu. And sadly, Kovu has slowly flown from are community here, and that everyone, is a very sad thing to happen. Yes, he may be sick, or have some other personal issues in his life, but if he wants his idea's to grow, and have a strong community, communication needs to be in order. Because without that, we're both stuck, and everything dies.
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All I can say is between Red, Rak and the rest of the staff team. My hat is off to you, every word you have said is bang on the nose. With out you and your work, FH would be an empty idea, just a flake in someones mind unable to be reached. The stress and the hate, that some of you see is sicking, why? Simply becuase there is nothing you can do... As said, you cant update the game, you cant add markings, other then moderate it and keep it running smooth, there is nothing alse you can do. Kov keeps them in the dark guys... So maybe they are the ones that need people to lay off....
@Red, *claps* Your preaching to the choir on this one, And I cant find the words to say for posting this. You are brave very brave. Look at how many people stand behind you. And most are just members who dont see this side of Kov. You are in no way a "Bad" admin in my eyes. And if someone decides you are or no longer deserve to be where you are, I will be dissgusted and that will be the end of me in this game. That needed to be said, and its about time it did. Maybe Kov will smart'n up and actually show he still cares.
@ Raksha, thank you for that post, people need to see that Kov, was not the sole contributer to the creaton of FH. Without your work and the work of the other staff members FH would still be in the making, or completly different. Even though you stepped down from your position and gave it to Red. My respect is still there and it always will be. I give you coutos for sticking around as long as you have, and not throwing in the towel, like im sure many would have.
@Big Black Bullet, not sure if this was already stated but... Yes Kov has a life. BUT so does Red, and Rak, EVRYONE of us. Yet game mods still seem to be made, new emots, meshes etc. He keep stating that he is adding wings and what not. Well were are they? Hmm? where are the progress reports? where are any records that things are being done. Many have offered to help Kov with the game.. He says NO. Even though the game is failing day by day. Once AK is out as red said I garuntee FH dies.... There just isnt anything to keep up with what AK is promising. Look at how many people have left for IT servers. You ask why most say "FH is a fail..." Why wont he give the staff access to modify and add to the game? If he did FH would be sitting in a way better possition then it is now. Look at how many staff members have left... because of this type of nonsense that is happenhag here. Kov needs to make his presence know, and show he is still here for the comunity he created. If he doesnt well its plain ridiculous and saddining. That some one cant face the mass mess he has made. All it takes is him being more active, or giving the admins access to update and modify.
As for FH+, yes its beatiful and well done. But like Red said why didnt they know about it... Why wasnt it just added to the original FH. What is the point of having the two.. That just started more FH+ is better the plain old FH drama... Again a pointless addition. Had it have just been modified to FH, there would have been nothing said and it would have looked like Kov actually did something noticable. But instead you were in the dark, and boom out came FH+.
(In no attemps to bash simba)
FH Staff, Thank you for all you have done to help keep the game alive and going. And sorry for any doubt and hate you recieve because, there isnt anything you can do. You ahve all put in your best effort and it shows, this will not go unnoticed by the community. That finaly some one had the guts to say what many wanted to.
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i do believe that kov isn't doing much for fh and it will die like impressive title if kovuLKD doesn't do anything, here is a short story about my experiences with fh:
at first i NEVER even heard of FH before, IT was my only interest because i thought it was the newest and biggest thing not that it was dead. once i found out about FH i begged my mom to let me have it and i downloaded it right away without a doubt in the world about this game...but i got some when i entered the feral heart world for the first time. bonfire island was lagging beyond belief on my computer and when i got to the plains i tried to make some friend but they just pushed me away and some even began to power-play on me when i didn't mean any harm i just simply said hi. just then when i learned how mean people on FH could be i just knew that i had to do something about it even though i was a newbie and had no power over anyone in-game but i went on top the the mountain or whatever it is on cape island and i said in general and local that i'm going to do something about what's going on with fh and try to improve it. after that i went straight to the forums and read a whole bunch of tutorials on how to make things like maps,presets,emotes,mods and so forth. i can't do anything about the people but i can do something about the features and make awesome maps,addons and mods,tutorials and just simply things to make FH better....i care about FH but kovu NEEDS to do something to help his game. do things that will make people happy but you members mustn't forget that the game would be nothing without us. and if FH does start to die and you see one person online it's going to be me hanging onto what could've been. (sorry i know that's not a word XD) kovuLKD if your reading this topic please think of it as a letter to you saying that you need to take care of your game and don't see it as a angry letter from some useless people and think "if they don't like it the way it is then why bother with this at all!" and take the game down. i hope you don't see it that way
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As a member of FH, I can understand what your all saying. Red,Rak, and all of the members who helped create this wonderful game known as Feralheart, I can believe that your doing your best to keep FH a fun and a problem free game. Although I've seen what your trying to say, the game does infact needs some fixing.
I'm not sure what "exactly" needs to be fixed, but Red named the basics. All the staff member's that helped create it should get the chance to fix it. Since they did help create it, so they should have the right to change it and make it better. KovuLKD you may be working on that Facebook game you talked about, not to be rude, but I believe you should put that aside for a bit and come back to FH. So we can get something done about the major issues in FH. Yes, I'm very positive you have a life and I respect that, but if you do ever have some free time just check up on FH. Just to see what you need to fix.
Perhaps you should think about what is best for You and FH. Many players and Staff members do infact, need you to put this into your consideration. Me and perhaps many others are trying to say that, you need to help fix these problems.
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Ok, I've read all of the posts from page 1 to page 8 and I agree with what's been mostly said. It's not that we don't appreciate KovuLKD, in fact, if it wadn't for him, we wouldn't even have FH. But think about it like this. Feral Heart is like Kovu's dog, and if he doesn't take care of it, it will die. I thank all the mods for keeping FH up and running as much as you can. Nobody 'hates' Kovu, they just don't want Feral Heart to die. And for those of you that think this post is about updates, yall wrong. This post is about all the bugs and glitches that have been in the game for quite a while now. I'm very patient and can wait on updates because I know that it might take a while. And yes, I know Kov has a life. He's not the only one, just as Jolt said, we ALL do. Everyone from the newest member to Red, Raksha and all of the other mods. The way you want to live your life is your choice, but if you have made a commitment, I believe you should stick to that commitment till the end.
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Could I just say, this conversation is very interesting.
I joined here not long ago and am having all sorts of problem left right and center, im not saying I dislike the game, its filled with interesting people and fun times to be had!
But, if something is not changed for the game (fixing glitches, repairing report button, upgrades ect..)
I may very well forget FH.
I support all of you who demand a better game...but in the state its in I dont think it will go far without help.
Like red said, keeping alive a dead mammal with adrenaline.
Now, im off to re-re-re-re install FH+ and drink some soda.
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I fully agree with Coony! Not being mean, but you need to support YOUR game more than the other SUPPORTERS!!!! Your the CREATOR! You need to be on feral hearts instead of making your mods do the work for you...... ( in my opinion, your being a big lazy drama queen) i know you have a life, but these peps even nala needs you in this game. This goes for Impressive Title as well.
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Amen
KovuLKD must read this thread.
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Well he does know about this thread. If he'll read it all and respond. No idea
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Things are being discussed right now about FH and hopefully we will be able to get somewhere with it.
Time and communication is an issue though, and when we will be able to get things fixed and working all fine as we want them is a question not easy to answer.
We will see what happens from here, though I do not want to give any promises on immediate changes.
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Red, can you confirm for us whether or not Kovu has found time to read this thread?
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I do believe he's read the thread but I don't know if he read all the pages.
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As a member I would like to piont out that after so many bad tokens I tend to give up. The Flourite Plains needs to be devided or at least another map added as almost everyone is in FP now so if you left a character there when you logged off its imposible to get back on.
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I do believe he's read the thread but I don't know if he read all the pages.
Well, as long as he's read most of it, and you're post at least, then some things should turn around. At least I hope so.
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Everything has it's flaws, nothing is perfect and kov is and has
Kindly put alot of time and effort into the making of this game,
Kov is only human and you can't expect him to complete the whole
Thing Over night. If anything you should be, it is grateful.
Love the game for what it is and be thankful that it's there for
YOUR entertainment.
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Everything has it's flaws, nothing is perfect and kov is and has
Kindly put alot of time and effort into the making of this game,
Kov is only human and you can't expect him to complete the whole
Thing Over night. If anything you should be, it is grateful.
Love the game for what it is and be thankful that it's there for
YOUR entertainment.
Password, we do love this game, that's why we have this thread. We don't want it to die.
And we don't want it complete over night, we want issues that have been ingame for MONTHS now to be fixed, for Kovu to put some care into his creation. THAT is what this thread is about (But some people haven't realised that and ARE asking for new things and such XD)
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I utterly agree with BBB (Jarei), Kovu has done so much for this community, whether it be on his own or with staff. The game was his idea, and he should be credited for that at least, even if he didn't design all the aspects to FeralHeart. Yes, he does need to fix the bugs and glitches, but I'm not taking it further than that to say that Kovu has abandoned us. Seriously, he wouldn't make a game to just throw it in the dirt and let others deal with the problems. Kovu is amazing, he's brought all of us together just with a single game, could any of you say you've done that?
This is just my opinion, and I shall not be posting again on this thread, so fire away at me with all your disagreement. But like other people said, Red, there probably wasn't any point in creating this thread. It is merely just a place for people to join your side of this argument, and in the end, try and win over Kovu and make him fix the bugs. I'm on Kovu's side for this, and like BBB said, he probably does have a life which none of us know anything about. For all we know, he could be having serious problems in real life and not even have time away from those problems to sort out a computer game (obsessive over a computer game much?). And how do you know he's working on the FB game now? For all we know, he could have stopped working on it for a while, to sort out the uprising complaints with this game.
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But like other people said, Red, there probably wasn't any point in creating this thread. It is merely just a place for people to join your side of this argument, and in the end, try and win over Kovu and make him fix the bugs.
I strongly believe that there is a point to this thread. It's perfectly fine if you and other's don't think so, this wasn't made to argue with each other. It's simply to discuss the issues at hand, and try to make things better for everyone on all sides, so we can be happy and content. As for making Kovu fix the bugs, well currently, he's the only one who can. However things are being discussed, and I don't think they would have been if not for this thread.
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he wouldn't make a game to just throw it in the dirt and let others deal with the problems.
He probably wouldn't on purpose, but some of the staff here has done and incredible amount of work to help out here, not just logging on posting a few posts and move a thread once in a while, so keep that in mind.
If you did read the thread properly, there's problems that has been here from the start, before other patches were added.
But like other people said, Red, there probably wasn't any point in creating this thread.
The extreme lack of understanding the subject this badly and then whacking me on the nose for it. I don't want to sound like a complete bum when I say this, but people that post like this with no understanding what has been going on for over the months makes me wonder why I'm even doing this. If the posts written earlier by me and everyone else isn't enough to make you understand, nothing really will and you will be stuck in your world.
As also mentioned though before I didn't think everyone would just go "I agree".
For your notice I've now also offered my help to kov and let him know we can make progress and get a few very problematic, unfair, and stressful issues that exists out of the way.
Not only for my sakes, nor kovs, but for you the players...
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For your notice I've now also offered my help to kov and let him know we can make progress and get a few very problematic, unfair, and stressful issues that exists out of the way.
So glad to hear that, Red. I wish both of you the best of luck.
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Thanks for the support.
Kov is the brains behind it all however and I can just try to make things slightly easier for him by providing him with information and possibly aid at things he shouldn't need to do.
We will see what happens.
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Damn, Red. You got some serious guts saying what everyone is thinking! Utter respect to you right there. But yes, just a few things that wouldn't take long in editing would improve the game so much more. Like the running animations, pawpads, group glitches and so forth.
But I big you up red, nice going!
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I will leave this thread open for half a day or so and then lock and move it. Should've done this earlier to be honest since things are being discussed or are going to be.
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Before the thread is locked, I just wanted to chime in about the only argument that really annoys me here.
For all we know, he could be having serious problems in real life and not even have time away from those problems to sort out a computer game.
People, you have yet to realize that something may be wrong with Kovu.
Hello people.. that is half of the problem!! No, I'm not saying I know Kovu has some sort of illness or something. I am saying he doesn't communicate with his staff. If he were suffering or would be down because of some problems, that isnt something you keep to yourself, you tell your TEAM about it so they can inform the rest of the community. That is a part of what Red was saying, lack of communication.
Whether it be about future plans, new updates, or even health problems, you cant keep your staff in the dark.. it only causes confusion and unhappiness for everyone else.
Anyways, now that I have that off my chest... Im glad you seem to have made a break through Red!! You seem to be getting sh!t done around here too. Good job and good luck to keep it going!!
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I agree with all of you guys!Just in case you know, i love FH x3
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I may be a little late for posting this, and I'm not sure if Kov will even read this but...... I feel like I should at least contribute. I am not known on the forums or anywere else for that matter. Some of you may have seen me on General.... I do talk on General alot, mainly because I am bored..... And I'm sure some of you consider me a nuisance. I do try to keep spaming and caps down to a minimum, but still, I'm sure some of you will still say General is for advertisements only, not to converse. To me, General is a way for me to connect with people. It is always intresting and fun. ^^ Although I do agree that General is becoming a problem. Perhaps there should be another chat section that is broadcasted all over the plains, one called Advertisment. This way, people can talk without annoying the people looking for advertisments. Second of all, I am very glad that Red has spoken his mind. It must have taken allot of courage to do this. It is great to see the community of Feral Heart getting together and supporting Red. And to Kov, I do not hate you, I do not even know you. But PLEASE listen to your community and understand what we are trying to say. We love FH, it is a haven, a world were we can be ourselves, a place for our imaginations, and a place were we can just have fun. I have played Feral Heart for a long time, almost a year. And I loved every minute of it. I have seen it grow from a small game to a booming world. However, there are SEVERAL issues to be fixed. I'm not asking for miracles, just some attention to these problems. I will not list them, for they have already been said. Thank you for your time and I hold no grudges to any of you. I just wanted to be heard. Thank you for this wonderful game, I would hate to see the day it died.
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Agreed...