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I know I said I'd leave forever and I will after this, but I just have a few thoughts and a question.
I don't have any intention to start "drama" or to make anyone look bad, the only thing I wish to gain from this clarity because I've got quite a few emotions over this.
So... what's up with continued censorship and hiding a thread asking where the mental health resources went?
xSpirit made it around Christmas with completely innocent and good intentions, it was just to lend a helping hand to the greater community and to show that know, staff cared about users and their wellbeing.
But it was suddenly removed from what I assume is because there are grievances between fhu's team and yours.
And I just want to say that, if that is so, that isn't really okay nor a valid reason to remove a helpful resource and something that generally means well. Because it just appears to be done out of spite to me.
I'm just frustrated that this happened and that certain threads or things are censored, hidden or removed.
Especially things that are made with good intentions.
I apologize in advance if this ruffles any feathers, but I'm just seeking answers and reasoning for these things.
I sincerely hope this isn't treated the same way as you treated the two threads I mentioned or is locked, because my frustrations and assumptions would be solidified.
That said, probably my last thread (i hope)
Here's the national suicide helpline in the US: 1-800-273-8255
As well as some international resources for Europe; https://www.iasp.info/resources/Crisis_Centres/Europe/
peace,
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I could've sworn I brought this up before but in relation to something different. https://feral-heart.com/smf/index.php?topic=68253.0
If anyone remembers that thread. The only reason threads like that should be hidden is if it involves something against the rules, which asking a question about where a certain board/topic has gone isn't against the rules, so I'm not sure why it was even removed or hidden in the first place, which simply makes this whole ordeal more of a direct point.
this is getting ridiculous. seriously.
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I bet 5$ that staff will reply with "We cant control Raz".
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A response to this thread as well as this one:
https://feral-heart.com/smf/index.php?topic=68698.0
"AppleCider" aka Birdie,
The thread you speak of was deleted by Razmirz. None of us staff (admins or moderators) deleted the thread or even know why it was deleted.
(https://i.imgur.com/PYHzcNO.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/jSvyxbf.png)
In the future do not lie to perpetuate a false narrative. It's not becoming of a former MOTS of the Feral Heart Community or anyone in general.
We will be recreating a new thread with helpful guidelines and information for those seeking help.
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AppleCider and Birdie are not the same person, Suragaha. But thank you for showing how you did an entire IP search to slant an entire topic that was genuinely concerning.
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We will be recreating a new thread with helpful guidelines and information for those seeking help.
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Sura didn't really slant the entire topic. A new one is going to be made.
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A new thread shouldn't *have* to be made if one was already created.
Also, since when has having multiple accounts been a bannable offense? May want to update your rules there, hun.
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the original thread i had about general chat being brought back has been archived without so much as a word for possibly months
not mad just kinda sad and confused.
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this time on "how to not run a community"
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posting in an epic thread
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sura is a bee
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Why is this even happening? What's the point? Is this all really worth it? To keep coming back here and stirring up things that have been long gone for god knows how long? You think this is going to fix anything at all?
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the fact that people are getting banned for either looking at this thread or commenting on it is really just,,,
a sign of mismanagement on the staff's end
this is why, when polled, your community said that they didn't trust y'all. bye i guess LMAO
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Why is this happening? Because, as a community, we're tired of being silenced for having an opinion. At this point, the game is dying. If you're trying to drive off your (tiny) active user base, this is a solid way to go. If you want a private game, Raz (& Sura) just pull the server offline and make it private for you and your clique. No need to take knee jerk reaction bans and just rip the life support off of this game. The virus-infecting ads and the (god awful) adf.ly links were bad enough but we tolerated it because we liked the game.
Step off of your pedestal, "immortal god" and realize you're like the biggest, meanest toddler in the sandbox, forcing your opinions on others and kicking those that won't hand over their toy. I mean, seriously.
I know I'm gonna get banned for this, which is fine- I'd hate to ever say I'd support this game anyway (adblock is a lifesaver around here to be honest)
When you delete this post, just know- you're silencing your member base and just proving to them that You do not give a damn.
About their thoughts, feelings, opinions, mental health (with the removal of the mental health thread), and the blatant random bans for people who have done nothing wrong.
Hard to have a game that doesn't have any users to be assaulted by your ads to pay your bills.
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yeepers.....
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Okay but can we have a civilized conservation about this rather than resulting to irresponsible measures?
I'm honestly tired of being afraid to respond to topics like these because I always get the impression that people might hold a grudge against me for as long as I live just because of my opinion. I'm tired of seeing people get put down for genuinely trying to make this game a better place and finding ways to improve the game as well as enhance everyone's experience. I'm tired of seeing GOOD PEOPLE get punished for doing something that's right, which is standing up for the community and facing against these relevant problems when no one else would.
Censorship is a real issue on this game and it's really disappointing that it hasn't been talked about often. Most conversations that are brought up in regards to censorship get brushed off by the higher-ups from what I've seen. Heck, I'm not even sure if any action was taken to reduce to amount of censorship. At this point, we can't even open up and voice our own opinions because we'll end up in a bad spot. Even if we say it politely.
We're just talking to a brick wall.
Everything we say or do that relates to bringing up alarming and important issues get shot down.
It is severely disappointing.
I don't understand why Spirit's topic was deleted when it obviously benefitted a large amount of individuals who needed it. He was helping the community by sharing the hotlines and showing that he cares about everyone's mental health. The least you could do was edit it to your liking and pin it instead of scrapping his topic and recreating your own.
It's also quite upsetting that Birdie's role in former MOTS was used against her.
Why is this even happening? What's the point? Is this all really worth it? To keep coming back here and stirring up things that have been long gone for god knows how long? You think this is going to fix anything at all?
These kind of conversations deserve to be brought into light. I don't see why keeping them under the dirt for so long would be a better alternative. Imo, it'll only make the situation worse. There are wounds deep in the FH community that need to be tended to instead of ignored.
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Literally nobody is being banned in this? The truth is, the staff were not involved in the deletion of xSpirit's post, so making threads like this is honestly childish. Stop trying to find SOMETHING to blame other people on. Honestly, if we're such a small dying game, why keep coming back and making threads and stirring up trouble? Is it worth it? Or is this all just to satisfy your guys's need for drama?
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People voicing their opinions is not stirring the pot. I’m honestly so disgusted and disappointed in some of the things said and done.
There is absolutely no reason a community should feel as silenced as they do and it’s been hinted at and even said time after time now.
If you can’t see the fact that you all are pushing your community away, I don’t know what to tell you. very disappointing to see.
This is a horrible way to run things, you can’t ban people for asking questions or stating their opinion. That is not how you staff a community! and I know some of you are better than that.
I don’t quit my job or tell people not to come back or they aren’t allowed back when people hurt my feelings at work, so why do you all get to go on a banning spree over a disagreement or a post asking a simple question wondering why a hotline was removed?
100% could have simply warned members and recommended the topic to not get taken off topic like it now has.
I’ve stayed quiet on most of these threads, but after accusing someone of being someone else, banning people for even simply looking at the thread is honestly to upsetting to not speak on, this comes off as “abuse of power” to me.
How many threads have there been that you all have had to remove and silence members for speaking on?
This is ridiculous. If you can’t see that the members are upset and trying to get you all to LISTEN then I don’t see the community lasting much longer.
Best of luck to you all.
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Literally nobody is being banned in this? The truth is, the staff were not involved in the deletion of xSpirit's post, so making threads like this is honestly childish. Stop trying to find SOMETHING to blame other people on. Honestly, if we're such a small dying game, why keep coming back and making threads and stirring up trouble? Is it worth it? Or is this all just to satisfy your guys's need for drama?
Birdie, Calvary, AlphaEclipse, Leda, Auccultist, Claretta, Aureilius, Cilantro, and many others were all banned from the forum not too long ago.
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Ok so wait is staff gunna say why they took it down or? So far what I'm reading theres nothing- even though they're commenting, theres no real excuse and that leaves me worried o.o
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the response to this by sura is really disappointing and upsetting. i've been a major lurker for a long time, but i still see the same out of proportion responses to genuine concerns about the actions of staff members of this game.
it's honestly really sad to see that nobody can bring up a problem without being censored. i thought maybe the staff would've been better at this eventually. this isn't how you moderate a community who have very genuine and valid concerns about things like this. it shouldn't matter who the poster is, the helplines for mental health is important regardless. even then, there's no room for being petty and removing a thread from someone you don't like, regardless if it's raz. you can't use personal bias as reasoning for banning or removing threads, it's nothing short of abusing your staff privileges. it's upsetting and inappropriate to use Birdie's former MOTS status against her as well.
i'm honestly tired of seeing the same things being brought up with no change and only coming to this same point. this isn't stirring a pot - it's genuine concern for an actual issue. there's a way better response to having your issues pointed out than this.
To keep coming back here and stirring up things that have been long gone for god knows how long? You think this is going to fix anything at all?
this honestly really irks me. these things haven't been long gone, this has been a consistent issue with staff in particular. it never really went away. a chance to change it is speaking up about it. it's not on the community that the staff isn't willing to change it and instead sura bans people for pointing out their censorship and poor staffing practices in the past.
people have been silenced from speaking up about it, and here we are. fh is dying, and part of the issue is the staff's treatment of the community and raz's inability to let the game grow. sura's response to it was petty at the very least and just the fact of being banned and silenced for speaking out about it is censorship - she's proving the entire point.
there's honestly way too many issues revolving around the staff team to the community itself; lack of transparency, inactive staff, censorship, etc. etc. it's sad, how it's gone on so far. i've played this game since 2011, it's my only source of communication with people and unfortunately it's gone downhill to the point where i can't bring myself to do much else than work on maps or tab out in game.
i wanted fh to get better, but we can't even speak against staff without an out of proportion response that can be solved in a much simpler and more peaceful way. you can't moderate a community this way. this isn't brought up because we don't care, if it wasn't cared about we'd say nothing and let it stay the way it has been. and that's not good or sustainable for a game that isn't what it once was.
if you're trying to grow a community as the game does, the staff needs to grow as well. a community won't grow if they're being moderated by staff who can't grow past their mistakes and do better about them. i'm just saying, the game won't grow if you won't.
things don't improve if it's not brought to light, it'll keep staying the same if it's not talked about. if it's not changed after being brought up, it's not on us, it's on the receiving end. they made the decision not to change and continue making the same mistakes. unfortunately, this has happened here multiple times. if things had changed before, we wouldn't be here talking about it again because of another instance of the same actions. it could be raz, it could be sura or some other staff member, but either way, it still happened again with no change or accountability for it.
and that's, disappointing.
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Unactive staff? As I know Sura, Spicy, or ANY staff member they'll come here. And TALK. No, like everyone thinks staff is very bad, unactive, only block and remove, blah, blah, blah. Have look on feedback - SpicyDirt wanted do good thing, but of course our community made another drama. I know, everyone want transparency, but If you wanna talk about it, make thread. And let staff talk with you, then they will.
I don't know situation with Birdie. Excuse me? I said I don't know THIS situation? I don't know any Damn dramas there. Y'all don't see what's wrong? Open your eyes and look. Not only you and your censorship and transparency problems excist. Everyone says game is dying. Why? 'Cause newcomers are leaving. Why? 'Cause we're talking about damn dramas.
Also, Sura, make this psychical thread asap, feel like I'll need it, lol. (And not sure am I joking.)
Try to think - maybe problem isn't only in staff? Maybe it's you?
I feel like I'm standing in The Grounds and screaming. Why you grab dramas to fight with staff? Why you see only yourself? And MAYBE people who agree with you? Why you don't wanna just talk with staff? Why you're only trying to scream louder than try to TALK?
We all want answers… but from expirience I know that we'll hear only false whispers.
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It's not about drama, people have genuine concerns about certain things and when voicing them being silenced is often a solution for some reason. Everyone makes mistakes but if you're going to silence those who point them out and genuinely want to help you with them, then you're not helping anybody.
On this topic alone, a majority of the people who replied here were banned without any reason at all. None of the rules were broken, some of the people banned hadn't even said anything or participated in this thread or any others. They just came online and got a big fat "You're banned" on their computer. With the way things appear to be run right now, I don't see why anyone would want to play come play this game in it's current predicament. Who wants to play a game and constantly fear that you'll be banned for literally nothing, or simply saying that you disagree with something. Sorry, but that isn't right at all. I think staff can improve I really do, but with the behavior being displayed and the way things were handled clearly screams things need to change. Otherwise the game will die either way.
If we didn't care about the game or the people playing and running it, then nobody would say anything.
Hecc the only reason I've waited so long to respond is because I was afraid of the staff banning me for expressing my opinion. I'm still afraid, I don't want to lose this game for something as simple as expressing opinion. But staying silent changes nothing.
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It's not about drama, people have genuine concerns about certain things and when voicing them being silenced is often a solution for some reason. Everyone makes mistakes but if you're going to silence those who point them out and genuinely want to help you with them, then you're not helping anybody.
On this topic alone, a majority of the people who replied here were banned without any reason at all. None of the rules were broken, some of the people banned hadn't even said anything or participated in this thread or any others. They just came online and got a big fat "You're banned" on their computer. With the way things appear to be run right now, I don't see why anyone would want to play come play this game in it's current predicament. Who wants to play a game and constantly fear that you'll be banned for literally nothing, or simply saying that you disagree with something. Sorry, but that isn't right at all. I think staff can improve I really do, but with the behavior being displayed and the way things were handled clearly screams things need to change. Otherwise the game will die either way.
If we didn't care about the game or the people playing and running it, then nobody would say anything.
Hecc the only reason I've waited so long to respond is because I was afraid of the staff banning me for expressing my opinion. I'm still afraid, I don't want to lose this game for something as simple as expressing opinion. But staying silent changes nothing.
Agree in part.
However.
We can talk more calmly. If you saw other's repiles, you saw some fulled of attack. And sorry, but these banning reasons are fine. Wouldn't be mad If Sura would delate this thread. More, I would completly agree with her. We can talk calm. We can talk normal people. Not like... like animals.
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I will agree, some things about this I don't really like. I feel as if x's thread should not have been removed. At all. Birdie did make a good point. But what I'm talking about that irks me is the fact all these other players came on saying stupid childish comments and just stirring things up. Instead of just, acting like mature people, they came on more or less picking at the staff and making a huge joke out of this.
That is the problem. Something happens in the community and where is everyone's target? The staff. Even when they actually TRY to do anything, it's not good enough for anyone. They literally CAN'T do some things. And people don't understand that. They just feel content coming on here and making fools out of themselves while trying to persecute the staff here.
We all wish things could be different here. For heck's sake, the STAFF THEMSELVES think things should be different. But they can't change things when the one person in charge of said things won't let them. It isn't their fault.
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Can I just say:
I bet 5$ that staff will reply with "We cant control Raz".
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posting in an epic thread
sura is a bee
the fact that people are getting banned for either looking at this thread or commenting on it is really just,,,
a sign of mismanagement on the staff's end
this is why, when polled, your community said that they didn't trust y'all. bye i guess LMAO
yeepers.....
These comments should not have been made, whatsoever. They contribute nothing to the purpose of this thread and are, matter-of-factly, just pokes in the ribs @ Staff to cause drama and try and provoke a reaction to try and force answers. This is not how we, as part of the Feral Heart Community, should be dealing with situations like this. While yes I do not agree with the removal of a very innocent - benevolent thread - I think it's rather outrageous of the extent some of you guys have gone to 'get your point across' in a not-so-nice way. Some of these comments are not even to get your points across, but to be petty about actions happening towards you. Which I owuld also like to add, I do not agree with either! Yet disagreeing with it doesn't give anyone a right to then make further, unnecessary comments that don't benefit a problem we're trying to solve or a question we're trying to find answers to.
As for this:
"AppleCider" aka Birdie,
The thread you speak of was deleted by Razmirz. None of us staff (admins or moderators) deleted the thread or even know why it was deleted.
(https://i.imgur.com/PYHzcNO.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/jSvyxbf.png)
In the future do not lie to perpetuate a false narrative. It's not becoming of a former MOTS of the Feral Heart Community or anyone in general.
We will be recreating a new thread with helpful guidelines and information for those seeking help.
Regardless if Birdie was the same person as AppleCider, there is no need to have an underlying tone following the lines of 'It's not becoming of a former MOTS of the Feral Heart Community or anyone in general.' This seems to be coming from a place of frustration yet, it also seems very unprofessional to me. Perhaps I'm misreading this and correct me if I am. However, if a member of the community were to speak like this they'd be banned for it and/or spoken to in a PM, so this is just double standards. The thread could have at least been locked and AppleCider PM'd if THIS is how you're going to approach the matter. A reaction like this should be expected if that's how you treat people, is all I'm saying.
But...
why does a new thread need to be made?
The thread xSpirit posted was very informative and helpful, as simple as it was. If the Staff really had an issue with it, then the least you guys could have done as a team was work towards revamping it rather than a new thread altogether.
Could it be because of the drama between FHU and FH? Who knows, but from my perspective it's almost as if Raz would rather have a new author of the thread so xSpirit won't be praised for doing the original helpline thread, now that he's gone forward with FHU and has a very genuine Staff team behind him. He'd rather have a member of his own team take the credit. I doubt I'm the only one that thinks that either, now that Sura has stated "we're making a new one" even though it's completely unnecessary and quite frankly, unfair treatment towards Spirit - who took his time to make that thread in the first place.There was nothing wrong with it and nothing can prove otherwise.
As hinted earlier on in this thread, it's just a sign of pettiness if my observations are true.
Unactive staff? As I know Sura, Spicy, or ANY staff member they'll come here. And TALK. No, like everyone thinks staff is very bad, unactive, only block and remove, blah, blah, blah. Have look on feedback - SpicyDirt wanted do good thing, but of course our community made another drama. I know, everyone want transparency, but If you wanna talk about it, make thread. And let staff talk with you, then they will.
I don't know situation with Birdie. Excuse me? I said I don't know THIS situation? I don't know any Damn dramas there. Y'all don't see what's wrong? Open your eyes and look. Not only you and your censorship and transparency problems excist. Everyone says game is dying. Why? 'Cause newcomers are leaving. Why? 'Cause we're talking about damn dramas.
Also, Sura, make this psychical thread asap, feel like I'll need it, lol. (And not sure am I joking.)
Try to think - maybe problem isn't only in staff? Maybe it's you?
I feel like I'm standing in The Grounds and screaming. Why you grab dramas to fight with staff? Why you see only yourself? And MAYBE people who agree with you? Why you don't wanna just talk with staff? Why you're only trying to scream louder than try to TALK?
We all want answers… but from expirience I know that we'll hear only false whispers.
To rhetorically ask if it's the members who are the problem is rather... I don't know what word to put to it, but that's not right.
Sure, the community have said and done things just as unnecessarily as Staff. But if it's obvious that it's not mostly the community that is the issue, statistically speaking.
You say making a thread will encourage Staff to talk. Well, it hasn't always been this way.
This thread has literally been made to highlight the fact that Staff (or Raz, really) has been archiving threads which defeats the purpose of users wanting to talk to Staff.
This. Is not. Right.
Something happens in the community and where is everyone's target? The staff. Even when they actually TRY to do anything, it's not good enough for anyone. They literally CAN'T do some things. And people don't understand that. They just feel content coming on here and making fools out of themselves while trying to persecute the staff here.
While Raz refuses to speak to the community himself the majority of the time, of course fingers will be pointed towards the Staff instead. They are the next level down to the Server Master and are deemed responsible for the communications between themselves, Raz and the community. Sometimes, we don't even get an answer from them either, so by that point who are we supposed to turn to for answers? We're humans, we all like to know what's going on - secrets being held and answers being avoided causes rigidity and a sense of 'something is wrong'. So we start bickering. The more things are kept away from us for unjustified reasons, the louder the community will get.
Of course there are some things we don't need to know. However, for something as sweet as offering help when we are at our lowest - we as a community, are OWED an explanation as to why the helpline(s) have been taken away from us.
That's like person A putting up a poster about where to get help if they get injured. It's up a few months, person B actually gets injured but when they look for that nearby poster, it's gone. Why? What are they supposed to do now? Then why they cry for help, the people surrounding them are all like "Oh, nah Person A is stinky so we got rid of it and will do our own version in several years' time because we have other priorities. Soz, you'll just have to deal with the injury yourself, lol."
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Just my two cents.
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In this case, both sides are acting wrong. Sura acted too impulsively and some people came to joke. This is pretty wrong as previous users stated. Sura, you should have though more the situation to handle it right and for users, joking about this is not funny, you should act more maturely and talk like it is a real matter. It is possibly pressure that makes people act without thinking and that was what Sura did which was made by the fact that some started to joke about this. Handle this right ya'll. Thank you.
I feel pretty bad with this about being deleted, though I don't know what is happening between some users and staff and hope that fixes. Still, it was wrong because it helps many people with their problem and the thread should have left alone.
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Honestly I'm just disappointed, and somewhat still shocked.
I thought old staff was good people. They were pretty cool to work with when I was on the team for map making. They helped me make one of my best maps.
That said, watching this happen last night, as it was happening, was shocking. I never thought the people who we worked with for those many months were capable of such horribly unprofessional behavior. I don't care if you have history with or against someone, this was an example on how not to be a moderator.
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The thread could have at least been locked and AppleCider PM'd if THIS is how you're going to approach the matter.
I could make the same point about Birdie posting this publicly. Instead of posting publicly under the guise of some friend etc she could have simply messaged us about it herself just the same. What was the need for all the extra steps?
The problem arose when she decided to take a dishonest route to fabricate a negative story right away. Why not ask why she immediately took to a large FH Discord community to falsely report and accuse on something she had no answer to yet? Which resulted in the immediate back flow of troll accounts coming on to leave death threats, hateful comments, etc.
If the question came from an honest concern there would have been no need for that, and nothing would have escalated the way it has. Let’s be real here. The intention was to fan the flames of drama again needlessly and get a bunch of people to react. So before you point fingers at staff about how “poorly” they handled this situation let’s take a moment to talk about the dishonest & petty behavior of Birdie in the first place that led us all here. There’s a sequence of decisions and events that took place.
All she had to do was ask the staff a simple question. “Hey do you guys know what happened to this thread?” There didn’t need to be any strings attached, alternate accounts to build a narrative, and drama mongering in between. This could have all been avoided.
The staff hadn’t even realized it had been removed until the question was brought up. It took us some time to ask around and look into what happened with that thread. We couldn’t give an answer until we knew ourselves. All that needed to be had was a little patience.
After we then gave the answer which is that Raz deleted it. But still some keep on doing things like this:
Ok so wait is staff gunna say why they took it down or? So far what I'm reading theres nothing- even though they're commenting, theres no real excuse and that leaves me worried o.o
It’s like some don’t read or pretend not to read so that they can continue things. An answer was given, but the moment people see an opportunity for drama they enter a state of blind rage and press on. Then some feel the need to troll or leave unnecessary comments or inbox messages. Even telling staff to kill them selves... Exactly how is that behavior any better? It totally contradicts the conversation.
A reaction like this should be expected if that's how you treat people, is all I'm saying.
I can say the same for staff. We have rules and terms and conditions the community agreed to when they joined. If users continue to violate those rules by causing unrest, turmoil, purposefully spreading misinformation, or causing drama etc we have to take action for the betterment of the rest of the community. We don’t like for things to get to that point.
A big issue here is that you got your answer (Raz deleted it) as well as solution (we’ll remake it) but it wasn’t enough to you all. You never want to admit that some of you tend to make a bigger deal out of things than was necessary. Then once action is taken you act like you have no idea why it happened. This response would be fitting if staff just ignored you all and didn’t offer a solution. But we didn’t.
why does a new thread need to be made?
The thread xSpirit posted was very informative and helpful, as simple as it was. If the Staff really had an issue with it, then the least you guys could have done as a team was work towards revamping it rather than a new thread altogether.
Could it be because of the drama between FHU and FH? Who knows, but from my perspective it's almost as if Raz would rather have a new author of the thread so xSpirit won't be praised for doing the original helpline thread, now that he's gone forward with FHU and has a very genuine Staff team behind him. He'd rather have a member of his own team take the credit. I doubt I'm the only one that thinks that either, now that Sura has stated "we're making a new one" even though it's completely unnecessary and quite frankly, unfair treatment towards Spirit - who took his time to make that thread in the first place.There was nothing wrong with it and nothing can prove otherwise.
As hinted earlier on in this thread, it's just a sign of pettiness if my observations are true.
It’s deleted. That means it’s gone. Which means we need to recreate it. This jumping to assumptions and making false statements like this is what keeps breeding this drama and misinformation in this community. Raz deleted it. We don’t know why. It’s really that simple.
Staff are not against having such helpful material for the community. I was the one who talked about it with xSpirit when he mentioned it to me, and I told him to go for it.
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This thread is a trainwreck lol
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I could make the same point about Birdie posting this publicly.
Ah yes so this makes it right to publicly shame her for what you assumed. Instead of doing that you could have simply said. "Raz removed the thread, we will be making a brand spanking new thread in a bit, sorry for the inconvenience." Instead of going to her and asking her about it you banned her. Funny thing is she's still banned and her friend, isn't.. how do you justify that ban?
The problem arose when she decided to take a dishonest route to fabricate a negative story right away. Why not ask why she immediately took to a large FH Discord community to falsely report and accuse on something she had no answer to yet? Which resulted in the immediate back flow of troll accounts coming on to leave death threats, hateful comments, etc.
How is what she said dishonest at all? She was concerned about the hotline thread because it was randomly taken down and her friend used the thread. Of course everyone is either going to assume it was staff (since you guys do the moderating here) or Raz. Believing it has something to do with this weird rivalry with FHU is right to believe especially since you guys banned the remaining people on the staff team, all of which either never broke a rule, or didn't even message here, even. How do you justify that without coming to some quite obvious conclusions?
I'm not going to deny you receive death threats and hateful comments because I'm sure you do. People get a little crazy and go wild when they're angry. But blaming Birdie for it isn't even fair. She was bringing awareness to the thread and people voiced their opinions, then BAM banned. banned. banned. banned. banned. Nobody was originally trying to start this weird fight until you poked at Birdie for breaking unwritten rules, that is still banned for.
If the question came from an honest concern there would have been no need for that, and nothing would have escalated the way it has. Let’s be real here. The intention was to fan the flames of drama again needlessly and get a bunch of people to react. So before you point fingers at staff about how “poorly” they handled this situation let’s take a moment to talk about the dishonest & petty behavior of Birdie in the first place that led us all here. There’s a sequence of decisions and events that took place.
Nobody makes your decisions for you but you.
All she had to do was ask the staff a simple question. “Hey do you guys know what happened to this thread?” There didn’t need to be any strings attached, alternate accounts to build a narrative, and drama mongering in between. This could have all been avoided.
If it was an alternate account why is it now unbanned? Also she did ask a question along with her friend who asked but someone hid the thread? Look at the censorship everyone is trying to show you guys, now the thread has been brought back out publicly just to accuse them of multi-accounting which isn't even against the rules.
The staff hadn’t even realized it had been removed until the question was brought up. It took us some time to ask around and look into what happened with that thread. We couldn’t give an answer until we knew ourselves. All that needed to be had was a little patience.
And we could have waited for an answer before you nigh-doxxed Bird and her friend.
It’s like some don’t read or pretend not to read so that they can continue things. An answer was given, but the moment people see an opportunity for drama they enter a state of blind rage and press on. Then some feel the need to troll or leave unnecessary comments or inbox messages. Even telling staff to kill them selves... Exactly how is that behavior any better? It totally contradicts the conversation.
I feel like that person had a genuine question and you just insulted them for it. (I do not know who that person is)
I can say the same for staff. We have rules and terms and conditions the community agreed to when they joined. If users continue to violate those rules by causing unrest, turmoil, purposefully spreading misinformation, or causing drama etc we have to take action for the betterment of the rest of the community. We don’t like for things to get to that point.
How does this explain the mindless banning of people who didn't even say anything or who weren't even included in the conversation?
It’s deleted. That means it’s gone. Which means we need to recreate it. This jumping to assumptions and making false statements like this is what keeps breeding this drama and misinformation in this community. Raz deleted it. We don’t know why. It’s really that simple.
They're not stating anything as fact, they're theorizing. They're not trying to spread misinformation as they've stated they don't know the actual reasoning. If it was that simple, why didn't you just say that instead of making false accusations and bans toward players?
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The thread could have at least been locked and AppleCider PM'd if THIS is how you're going to approach the matter.
I could make the same point about Birdie posting this publicly. Instead of posting publicly under the guise of some friend etc she could have simply messaged us about it herself just the same. What was the need for all the extra steps?
Two wrongs do not make it right.
Fighting fire with fire, by then is near impossible to put out. While yes your reply could have been a 'heat in the moment' thing (and I recognise as well as appreciate that maybe patience lacked and I wasn't present when this occurred, so can only say so much), it could have been dealt with differently. For sure, this whole thing could have been avoided if Birdie had taken a different approach, but the response to this approach is, again, not very professional. Yet this comes from a POV of an outsider, so I won't go much further on that note - I mean no harm and only to highlight what could have been & what is from the view of... a ghost, perhaps.
After we then gave the answer which is that Raz deleted it. But still some keep on doing things like this:
Ok so wait is staff gunna say why they took it down or? So far what I'm reading theres nothing- even though they're commenting, theres no real excuse and that leaves me worried o.o
It’s like some don’t read or pretend not to read so that they can continue things. An answer was given, but the moment people see an opportunity for drama they enter a state of blind rage and press on. Then some feel the need to troll or leave unnecessary comments or inbox messages. Even telling staff to kill them selves... Exactly how is that behavior any better? It totally contradicts the conversation.
This is not condoned behaviour, as you can see at the top of my initial post, I said the comments made similarly were ridiculous and uncalled for. As for staff being told to take their own lives, I didn't see this/these message/s so will leave it out, but it's vile and abhorrent for them to have said anything along those lines.
So I don't need to express my point further.
I can say the same for staff. We have rules and terms and conditions the community agreed to when they joined. If users continue to violate those rules by causing unrest, turmoil, purposefully spreading misinformation, or causing drama etc we have to take action for the betterment of the rest of the community. We don’t like for things to get to that point.
A big issue here is that you got your answer (Raz deleted it) as well as solution (we’ll remake it) but it wasn’t enough to you all. You never want to admit that some of you tend to make a bigger deal out of things than was necessary. Then once action is taken you act like you have no idea why it happened. This response would be fitting if staff just ignored you all and didn’t offer a solution. But we didn’t.
The thread should not have been deleted in the first place.
The community was in hope that you'd back them up on that. Instead we're faced with this thread and these sorts of replies, from both ends of the spectrum - not just Staff.
To think this is how Feral Heart is nowadays, is deeply saddening and also kind of eye-rolling.
why does a new thread need to be made?
The thread xSpirit posted was very informative and helpful, as simple as it was. If the Staff really had an issue with it, then the least you guys could have done as a team was work towards revamping it rather than a new thread altogether.
Could it be because of the drama between FHU and FH? Who knows, but from my perspective it's almost as if Raz would rather have a new author of the thread so xSpirit won't be praised for doing the original helpline thread, now that he's gone forward with FHU and has a very genuine Staff team behind him. He'd rather have a member of his own team take the credit. I doubt I'm the only one that thinks that either, now that Sura has stated "we're making a new one" even though it's completely unnecessary and quite frankly, unfair treatment towards Spirit - who took his time to make that thread in the first place.There was nothing wrong with it and nothing can prove otherwise.
As hinted earlier on in this thread, it's just a sign of pettiness if my observations are true.
It’s deleted. That means it’s gone. Which means we need to recreate it. This jumping to assumptions and making false statements like this is what keeps breeding this drama and misinformation in this community. Raz deleted it. We don’t know why. It’s really that simple.
Staff are not against having such helpful material for the community. I was the one who talked about it with xSpirit when he mentioned it to me, and I told him to go for it.
It's really not a matter of 'jumping to assumptions' it's making an observation, based off of the original post of this thread. That's why I closed that point with, '...if my observations are true.' because I didn't want to come across as trying to state facts, moreso express how I felt about what's been said. I'm not spreading any information about anything, how people read it is just how people read it. I unfortunately cannot control that. My view, opinion, whatever you want to call it - is 100% not factual. If it were, I'd put a bit more effort into making a structure that describes the lead of events that occurred. Yet, that's now what I'm doing.
Raz deleted it.
He shouldn't have.
You don't know why.
We don't know why.
Raz > Staff > Community.
That's how information is relayed around here. At least, that's how FH has been trying to make it for many years now.
THAT'S why the community is a bit upset about your response, as you're all looked up to, to get answers (when you can, lack of patience is stupid) and how we deal with that is on our own grounds.
(Very fast, not very well thought out replies as I'm in a rush, hue.)
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There is no war in Ba Sing Se.
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There is no war in Ba Sing Se.
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WolfQuest. Endless Forest. Animal Jam. Impressive World. My grandmother used to tell me stories about the old days, a time of peace when KovuLKD kept balance between the WolfQuest players, Endless Forest players, Animal Jam players, and Impressive World survivors. But that all changed when the Raz Nation attacked. Only KovuLKD mastered all four playerbases. Only he could stop the ruthless poorly-managed staff. But when the world needed him most, he vanished.
A hundred years have passed and the Raz Nation is nearing victory in the War. Two years ago, my father and the men of my community journeyed to the Endless Forest forums to help fight against the Raz Nation, leaving me and my brother to look after our community. Some people believe that KovuLKD was never to return into the community, and that the cycle is broken. But I haven't lost hope. I still believe that somehow, KovuLKD will return to save the world.
Catch you on the flip side, nine years and I'm ready to be banned from this dying game.
02/10/2011 - 07/18/2020
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This game isn't dying ✌️
If it is, left this community.
Btw, this topic is do hot, so have look on who's online, HOTTTT
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The reason behind why the thread was removed wasn't due to any kind of censorship, but simply that FeralHeart does not want to be responsible if something was to happen to their users. Let's say the thread told them to contact someone and they didn't get the help they needed.
People who are struggling mentally shouldn't turn to a forum to start with, unless it is a genuine mental health forum.
Why? Because there are trolls everywhere.
I've struggled with my own mental health since I hit puberty, it took a while but I can finally say that I've overcome my issues.
The only reason I'm mentioning my own problems, is because I want you to know that I can relate to the topic.
Not once have I looked to turn to feral-heart or a similar forum regarding my troubles.
The best thing anyone struggling with mental health can do, is call their doctor or local charity.
The thread won't be remade.
I know some of you guys are coming from FHU, and I understand if you have concern for people's mental well being.
I'm sure xSpirit would be happy for you to post a similar thread on his forum.
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My heart is pounding
I'm scared
Who's online list gonna KABOOM
Our "awesome" community is drama maker
Transparency is needed in part
It wasn't censorship
It was razmirz
Staff didn't know about that
And half of community doesn't believe them
Birdie was bullied as MOTS
The reason behind why the thread was removed wasn't due to any kind of censorship, but simply that FeralHeart does not want to be responsible if something was to happen to their users. Let's say the thread told them to contact someone and they didn't get the help they needed.
People who are struggling mentally shouldn't turn to a forum to start with, unless it is a genuine mental health forum.
Why? Because there are trolls everywhere.
It looks like I have to leave.
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We will be recreating a new thread with helpful guidelines and information for those seeking help.
The thread won't be remade.
I am so glad that FeralHeart has a transparent, well-communicating staff team (especially among the admins) <3
Here's the thing, suicide awareness =/= increased suicides. By posting those hotlines, you're telling people where they can reach out. If they don't get help, that's not on the staff's shoulders. Posting and providing those resources for a community that has many young people, many of which who are suffering mental health issues as they go through growing up (as many of us older members can relate to and understand), is a good thing. A helpful thing. It gives them somewhere they feel safe going (The FeralHeart forums or games, although that feeling of security is not the same as it once was), a place that- maybe if they were to look up these resources on their own, they could get in trouble from a parent or guardian. But if they get the resources here? That can help.
I'd also like to point out- at this point? The fact that the thread was removed was moot. If this had been handled in a more professional way, such as "Hey, it was removed, we're going to address this." that's all that needed to have been said. l3irdie posted it publicly because- hey, this is an issue that needs addressed. A question that needed an answer, moreso than sending to a staff member in a DM and either getting dismissed or ignored, or waiting multiple days for an answer.
Where it was handled poorly was assuming that because two users are friends in real life, they are clearly the same person, and it was all just a fabricated narrative. Dragging that into the public eye and not addressing it properly was the issue, and that's why this thread continues. What I have an issue with is the way this was handled, and I guarantee that there will be no consequences for blatantly mishandling this issue.
I would also like to point out the very high number of permabans that have been dished out over all of this. That's inappropriate. Banning users without reason, without any indication of why, or what they did wrong, and with no warning- severing their connection to this game swift as an execution. But you wonder why some of your member base has trust issues with the staff members.
Ban me if you'd like- I know the reasoning is going to be "discussing a ban publicly," but do not think that anyone of us is just going to roll over and forget how you completely overreacted to an innocent question, and sent many of your long-time users off with a ban. It really proves that unless they've been licking your boots for years, you don't care about your user base. If you did, you'd pull your head out of your butt, read what the community is saying, and maybe... do something about it.
Raz isn't a valid excuse. "Raz did it," "Raz won't let us," "We have to wait for Raz's approval," as if... what. Maybe if he isn't around, the administrators should take over and start informing the community of what is going on.
For those lurking- uBlock Origin is a great adblocker to use and sever your support of this site. You can also use Universal Bypass to get around those terrible adf.ly links that Raz uses to pay his bills.
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what ❤️
I could make the same point about Birdie posting this publicly. Instead of posting publicly under the guise of some friend etc she could have simply messaged us about it herself just the same. What was the need for all the extra steps?
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All she had to do was ask the staff a simple question. “Hey do you guys know what happened to this thread?” There didn’t need to be any strings attached, alternate accounts to build a narrative, and drama mongering in between. This could have all been avoided.
There weren't alternate accounts. You're right, there's no need for "alternate accounts to build a narrative"... that's why there weren't. There's plenty of reasons people's ips would overlap. It's very disappointing to see a staff member cling to such an assumptive story enough to post it publicly on the forum and basically soft-doxx someone??
Even if it were the case, it doesn't change the question. Could have just answered what you knew about it and left it at that.
The problem arose when she decided to take a dishonest route to fabricate a negative story right away. Why not ask why she immediately took to a large FH Discord community to falsely report and accuse on something she had no answer to yet? Which resulted in the immediate back flow of troll accounts coming on to leave death threats, hateful comments, etc.
Genuine question, did you actually receive death threats? I see a couple silly posts and maybe some mean jabbing at the staff but I don't see anything that could be constructed as a death threat, and I did not see anyone from anyone on Discord with that intent. Did you receive these over PM's or something? Death threats aren't an allegation to throw around lightly, so I'm curious if that's true or just an exaggeration. If it's true I do apologize, I don't think that's acceptable behavior from either end.
After we then gave the answer which is that Raz deleted it. But still some keep on doing things like this:
Ok so wait is staff gunna say why they took it down or? So far what I'm reading theres nothing- even though they're commenting, theres no real excuse and that leaves me worried o.o
It’s like some don’t read or pretend not to read so that they can continue things. An answer was given, but the moment people see an opportunity for drama they enter a state of blind rage and press on. Then some feel the need to troll or leave unnecessary comments or inbox messages. Even telling staff to kill them selves... Exactly how is that behavior any better? It totally contradicts the conversation.
Admittedly it took me a hot second to find the sentence saying Raz deleted it, it was a bit overshadowed by the weird big doxxing screenshots :/ I think people genuinely just didn't see it.. not sure why this random user got thrown under the bus for that. People skimming posts isn't too surprising. Annoying, sure, but it's not usually malicious.
A big issue here is that you got your answer (Raz deleted it) as well as solution (we’ll remake it) but it wasn’t enough to you all. You never want to admit that some of you tend to make a bigger deal out of things than was necessary. Then once action is taken you act like you have no idea why it happened. This response would be fitting if staff just ignored you all and didn’t offer a solution. But we didn’t.
I don't think anyone has an issue with the answer and solution... there's quite clearly something else that happened there. I won't deny some users were just stirring up trouble for the lolz but there was a lot of issue with how you accused Birdie, and coincidentally there was a ban wave of users who posted on this thread or were connected to FHU, with no reason given.
Had the topic been left at "Raz deleted it and we don't know why, we'll remake it", of course there would still be issue with that statement, but I don't think the fault would fall directly towards staff. It's the accusations and banning that were causing this unrest.
Ok i was literally JUST about to post when Ressy posted, so sorry if the above responses are outdated now
The reason behind why the thread was removed wasn't due to any kind of censorship, but simply that FeralHeart does not want to be responsible if something was to happen to their users. Let's say the thread told them to contact someone and they didn't get the help they needed.
People who are struggling mentally shouldn't turn to a forum to start with, unless it is a genuine mental health forum.
Why? Because there are trolls everywhere.
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The thread won't be remade.
Thank you for saying that, I might not agree with the decision but that is a reasonable thought process behind it. However, why is there such a large difference between you and Sura's answers? "We don't know why it was deleted"/"It will be remade" vs "There was reason to delete it"/"It won't be remade"? Is it just new information just being learned rn or a lack of communication or? I promise I'm not trying to be drama-starty, I just wanna know why there's such a discrepancy, I do believe you're both being genuine in your answers.
I apologize if any of this came off the wrong way, I can clarify what I mean if needed.
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The reason behind why the thread was removed wasn't due to any kind of censorship, but simply that FeralHeart does not want to be responsible if something was to happen to their users. Let's say the thread told them to contact someone and they didn't get the help they needed.
People who are struggling mentally shouldn't turn to a forum to start with, unless it is a genuine mental health forum.
Why? Because there are trolls everywhere.
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The thread won't be remade.
Thank you for saying that, I might not agree with the decision but that is a reasonable thought process behind it. However, why is there such a large difference between you and Sura's answers? "We don't know why it was deleted"/"It will be remade" vs "There was reason to delete it"/"It won't be remade"?
Gonna say what probably everyone want.
Raz. Give us logic repile.
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i tried to not to give any elaborate replies to this thread to avoid getting into more funny business on this forum, but w/e i just want to put this out here.
the responses to this thread is absolutely atrocious and it really shows the true nature of all of y'all who moderate this forum. i don't want to point fingers but some of your replies were negatively charged and y'all are acting surprised getting backlash for it. sure i can say the same for both sides but honestly, what do you expect from a group of people who are sick of being mistreated, including the people you used to work with and be friends with?
i know this already has been established but i'm gonna repeat it. you've banned people for making replies to this thread, plus the people who are just associated with another game (most of them previously being in the dev team not so long ago!). some of them have no previous bans or otherwise bad records. y'all say you don't have any biases but it's certain that you do.
i'm sorry people are/have been sending you death threats and hate messages but it's not the fault of Birdie at all. it's horrible and uncalled for but those people made a personal choice to do that and it's only their fault. the way you try to curb the blame on Birdie is not cool and actually kind of manipulative?
you guys can do better, seriously. no jokes this time.
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The reason why there is a big difference between Suras post and my post, is that I was asleep when previous comments were made. Meaning, so was Raz.
I had to read back on the posts and then have a discussion with Raz as he was the person who deleted it, to see what his reason was.
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Will there ever be peace in this land? People writing novels for a deleted thread on a tiny internet game.
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The reason why there is a big difference between Suras post and my post, is that I was asleep when previous comments were made. Meaning, so was Raz.
I had to read back on the posts and then have a discussion with Raz as he was the person who deleted it, to see what his reason was.
So you acted on something without first finding out the context or speaking to your team. This is another example of the staff team not taking the time to remove personal emotions from their work, which is all the community is asking for. We now have people banned due to personal bias rather than actual rule breaking actions.
Do you not see how this would upset people, make people fearful. These aren't just one time actions, these issues happen over and over. While those who do them have nothing happen to them. This is clearly unprofessional and its not getting addressed.
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Thank you for saying that, I might not agree with the decision but that is a reasonable thought process behind it. However, why is there such a large difference between you and Sura's answers? "We don't know why it was deleted"/"It will be remade" vs "There was reason to delete it"/"It won't be remade"? Is it just new information just being learned rn or a lack of communication or? I promise I'm not trying to be drama-starty, I just wanna know why there's such a discrepancy, I do believe you're both being genuine in your answers.
I apologize if any of this came off the wrong way, I can clarify what I mean if needed.
Not too long ago Raz had explained why it was removed and why we will not be making a new one. Before, when Sura gave her answer, that is all we knew at the time. Once we knew the answer Ressy explained it for you all.
The reason why there is a big difference between Suras post and my post, is that I was asleep when previous comments were made. Meaning, so was Raz.
I had to read back on the posts and then have a discussion with Raz as he was the person who deleted it, to see what his reason was.
Ah I see, that's more understandable, thanks for the clarification. I don't know the timeframe of when the original thread by xSpirit was deleted, but was there any discussion about deleting it at the time, or is the past few days the first time the reasoning has been brought up at all?
Will there ever be peace in this land? People writing novels for a deleted thread on a tiny internet game.
apologies *peace sign*
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May I ask a question?
How is it that Razmirz can just do things without even talking to the other staff members about it? How is it that Razmirz can do things and not even the other staff members know about what he did until a community member notices it, makes a thread about it, and then a staff member has to directly ask Razmirz about it in order to give the community some weird answer?
It's not about this being his website. That doesn't grant him leeway to just do whatever. All of you are equal staff members with an important job to moderate the community and all of you should be working together and yes, this includes Razmirz. It should never be that only one staff member does something random on their own and the rest have to find out and when they do, they just sit and watch.
Why is there no communication whatsoever?
I really want to be a positive person and I don't mean to come back to Feral Heart and jump into drama, but it's been this way for a long time and the poor responses made by LordSuragaha and PrettyReckless in this thread really solidify it. My first notion was when I was shot down because I simply mentioned my mental health in a post I made a long time ago.
The community is not talking about it because we hate you guys, want to start drama, and see Feral Heart's downfall. We're talking about it because it's important, we care, and we want to see positive change. You guys have the power to change it so easily but right now you seem to care more about replying to us in defense for yourselves rather than just.... doing what you previously said you were gonna do.
But also, one administrator saying "We don't know why he did it and we will remake it" and then the other administration saying "He has a reason why and no, we will not remake it" later on in the thread.... the mixed signals and the lack of communication.... whew.
EDIT: I also have no idea what happened with FHU if someone can explain that to me? I tend to have inactivity periods where I don't look at the forums for a while just because I'm busy doing other things. I keep seeing FHU brought up but I have no context for why it's relevant and I'd like to understand the situation better.
Good luck Feral Heart.
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I think at least in part, Raz' just tends to disappear for random spots of time, months even; or he just lurks and nobody knows what he's doing or why; moderators [and we] can only guess.
At this point, he can literally do whatever he wants since he's hosting the server. If he feels like randomly shutting it down in a tantrum, then he'll do just that. He's done it. He has a history of disappearing, and not keeping communication with anyone while he's gone. That leaves the moderation staff at a loss. It leaves what's left of the dev' team, at a loss. It leaves the community at large, at a loss, because NOBODY knows what's going on. Raz has an issue with effective communication. He has for a long time. Ask him, and he'll say he doesn't care about the things that are said one way or another about him, or his 'leadership' style, etc. I, personally think that's bs, since he reacts so profoundly when someone does strike a nerve.
FHU seems to have done it this time. xSpirit and most if not all of the dev team, moderation, and creators for fhU have been banned with zero explanation to them, along with those that were simply banned due to participation or simply viewing this thread at the time. I believe FHU is at least part of the reason Raz removed the thread (since it was xSpirit who wrote the post) that started this whole mess that turned into the Yeetening vol. 2: Suragaha Edition.
Why Sura' acted this way, we don't know. She is usually pretty level headed, this as I said before, was a shock to me. After all the work at least some of the staff has been doing to try for some transparency, this event literally slammed the door on that, and on many innocent users in the process.
The point is, Raz does what Raz does, and nobody gets anywhere because Raz don't talk to nobody about anything anymore, it would seem. I experienced it 2nd hand, when we did the update that gave you Kibou Ridge & the updated Eastern Pass. We were done with the agreed upon maps MONTHS before Raz showed back up. The communication then was very one sided: Everyone messags/calls/texts Raz; Raz no respond back. I think some of the staff, at least, has given up hope on ever getting this FH server going again because of his treatment of staff and general attitude.
If that doesn't change, niether will FH. If people don't start respecting EVERYBODY ELSE its not going to improve. That goes for Staff respecting users, and users respecting staff. Staff is trying to bring more people in, but it's events and drama like this that simply pushes them away.
As an aside:
If there are or were death threats or suggestions, those people should be ashamed of themselves. NEVER tell someone to do that. YOU DO NOT know who you are talking to, and you might just push that person that far, that day. You do NOT want that on your head the rest of your life. SUICIDE is not a joke. It's not a game. Too many lives have been lost too soon to people like YOU who send those messages to people. You should be ashamed of yourselves. It's just a horrible thing to do to someone. Or even jokingly suggest. Suicide is not a joke.
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10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000% what Jace said. I couldn't explain it any better.
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In something like his bio he said that he post only when he must. I think it's this moment.
Also I'm interested does he know about this thread and have any explatation.
I really don't wanna be rude, but these things - community who can grab very old dramas to fight with raz, raz doesn't response, and staff is somewhere between it and can't clearly tell us what has happened - it's horrible. It's RPG online, it's just impossible to run here without community.
Razmirz. I'm screaming to you. Come back wherever you are and tell us what is happening. Because it seems like it isn't anything good.
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you can ban me if u want. i know playful jabs are frowned upon.
for real though. i've played this game for what? almost 8 years on and off? this community has always thrived on buttkissing and censorship, this isn't new.
The reason behind why the thread was removed wasn't due to any kind of censorship, but simply that FeralHeart does not want to be responsible if something was to happen to their users. Let's say the thread told them to contact someone and they didn't get the help they needed.
People who are struggling mentally shouldn't turn to a forum to start with, unless it is a genuine mental health forum.
Why? Because there are trolls everywhere.
what kind of backwards thinking is this
in what way would having helplines accessible (where people are likely to see them) make ppl more likely to harm themselves? i guess keeping a suicide prevention line stuck to my fridge is bad because if i call them it might not help? yes that does happen but that logic is the equivalent of saying don't call an ambulance when someone is having a heart attack because it might not arrive in time... would u rather recreate the thread so people have a
chance at being helped (and even if they dont from experience it's still a distraction) or leave them to deal with it on their own and potentially end up in a harmful situation? all this is theoretical but i seriously dont see what the issue is. it's just a thread with some phone numbers that happened to be made by the owner of another game. do you realize how ridiculous that is
In the future do not lie to perpetuate a false narrative. It's not becoming of a former MOTS of the Feral Heart Community or anyone in general.
it's not very becoming of an administrator to ban random fhu devs and people who dared to speak out against your dying furry game either but here we are sura. if you keep covering your ears and perma banning anyone who criticizes you and your team you will never grow as a person. if you want to ban me and prove my point you're welcome to it, but you're always welcome to have a civilized discussion with myself and the rest of the rightfully frustrated people in this thread.
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I'm curious why some of these topics couldn't be discussed in DMs with Admins??
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I'm curious why some of these topics couldn't be discussed in DMs with Admins??
I'm asking myself about it sińce this post was created, lmao.
It would be better, then I wouldn't teach newcomers and old players who returned about this.
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Thank you guys who spoke up for me, that was very sweet and I appreciate it thoroughly! I guess I should have phrased my post better, I forget that Raz doesn't see himself as "staff" or whatever ranks are here.
So uh yeah my question still stands, why was the post deleted? Regardless of being involved spurratically by his own standards, he is still the man who deleted it. Would really like to know why, because so far it just seems to be because of FHU affiliation, which has no grounds for deletion or ban.
Thats noooot a great look guys ._.'
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Everyone enough with the drama PLEASE!!
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So when are the staff going to unban the people that they banned on their streak? Are they even going to apologize? Nobody on this thread has broken the game rules... It's pathetic that the staff banned people just for associating with fhu. Why? Because you're afraid that people will jump ship? Who blames them?
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I'm curious why some of these topics couldn't be discussed in DMs with Admins??
I'm asking myself about it sińce this post was created, lmao.
It would be better, then I wouldn't teach newcomers and old players who returned about this.
Everyone enough with the drama PLEASE!!
Shouldn't you three be asking why half a dozen people were banned? How about you step into the shoes of those who were banned. Imagine being barred from a game YOU spent days putting work and effort into and got banned for simply being apart of FHU because they supposedly have a vandetta against FH. (Note I am NOT an FHU staff member posting this.)
I cannot imagine what is going through your minds to think it is totally okay to just be numb to everything that happens just because it doesn't effect you. This game has no future given the immaturity of some of its staff, and I cannot believe people still ignorantly sit aside and let a rogue staff member (without even notifying the ENTIRE staff team, ex.: SpicyDirt) ban some of its most active players because of a goddamn post asking about a deleted thread. Absolutely ridiculous.
If you three actually care about the future of this game, take action and realize the staff team you know and love has some serious administrative bias and deep-rooted problems. Don't tell people on a board dedicated to discussion to stop discussing something just because you do not agree with it. Birdie has been MOTS and has worked with staff quite a bit, I think they know what they can/cannot bring to the public. There is absolutely no reason this shouldn't be discussed publically.
Suragaha, I previously respected you, but this is absolutely disgusting behavior. If you care as much about this community as you say, RESIGN. If Raz is such a problem, let someone else handle it. I hope you realize how large of a mistake this is. You can always use TOS as an excuse, but you will not have a game to moderate if you continue treating your active members like this, especially if those members have a connection to more of the community via Discord than you do via forum. Reckless, you are no better for not even reading your fellow admin's reply to this thread before replying yourself. An absolute embarrassment in regards to how staff communicates.
If this account gets banned, I will be wholly disappointed. Silencing people will only cause more retaliation. Plus, side accounts are disposable on a dead game.
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I'm curious why some of these topics couldn't be discussed in DMs with Admins??
I'm asking myself about it sińce this post was created, lmao.
It would be better, then I wouldn't teach newcomers and old players who returned about this.
Everyone enough with the drama PLEASE!!
The answer is simple, actually.
These are issues that need to be brought to light and talked about. It was never a 1 on 1 conversation and it's not "drama" to be dismissed.
I'm glad we're talking about it because these threads have helped me and many others see the issues with Feral Heart that need to be addressed.
We can blatantly see that members are being banned because they hold a different viewpoint and it's unfair.
We can blatantly see how unprofessional and rude the staff members can be and how they lack proper communication and community.
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It's...just a game. That's what's going through my mind, I have no proof anyone was or wasn't banned but those things aren't even supposed to be discussed on the forums anyways. I check the forums to see if anything interesting is happening then I move on with my day. I'm not going to let something like this ruin my day. If something upsets me then I either take care of it or walk away from it.
The future of this game will be uncertain. With the mystery of Raz's status always looming and people always pointing fingers, everything will always be up in the air. I have made my memories on this game and will not let silly drama replace those for me. And it sure would be nice if the newer members could make some nice ones too without seeing all this on the forums.
Dunno if I'll come back to this thread, nothing but negativity.
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I have no proof anyone was or wasn't banned but those things aren't even supposed to be discussed on the forums anyways.
I mean, there's multiple people on this thread who are using alt account after alt account to talk because they keep getting banned. I don't get how you don't see this?
I check the forums to see if anything interesting is happening then I move on with my day. I'm not going to let something like this ruin my day. If something upsets me then I either take care of it or walk away from it.
But you did click on this, respond to it multiple times, and keep clicking it on to read the responses from everyone, including people who weren't responding to you.
I have made my memories on this game and will not let silly drama replace those for me. And it sure would be nice if the newer members could make some nice ones too without seeing all this on the forums.
The memories aren't ruined unless you purposely go out of your way to ruin them yourself. I have so many bad memories here and have been wronged by people so many times and yet I still keep coming back because I mostly remember the good times. I can barely even remember 1/3 of the poor events that have happened to me here because they have been blanked out of my mind, I just remember that yes I've had hardships here.
And again, it's not "silly drama". You're turning a blind eye to an actual issue here with how poorly everything is ran and how the staff.... I don't wanna say abuse their powers, but they basically abuse their powers from time to time.
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Hello fellas, Calvary here. My deepest apologies for using an alt-account. Frankly I do not mind if this one gets banned as well, but I'm going to out myself here for the sake of proof.
My main account was banned, both forum-wise and game wise. Many others, not just me, with valid proof, have also been banned.
"Why can't you just ask the reason for your ban?"
As I said, many of us are banned in-game wise and forum wise, which means we cannot message any staff unless we dig around discord. Even then, many of the staff members have me blocked on discord, but I cannot speak for everyone else who also got banned. It is also apparent that no individual on the staff team can give anyone a direct answer to the reason regarding the ban. "This is a question for Sura" people will say.
"Why didn't you just DM the staff team about the topic instead of starting drama?"
First, this wasn't made to start drama. The censorship happened again with a post made by AppleCider. Keep in mind as well, fellow community members, that there isn't any reason you can't discuss the topic on the forums! Maybe it's something a group was genuinely curious about, and wanted to discuss to reach a possible conclusion.
Instead, the topic itself was met with removal, and prompted, the aggressive IP matching between two users where it was unnecessary. If you do not find this compromising or unsafe, I truly think you should reconsider what kind of game you are playing and who holds access to your information. Do you trust them with your personal info?
"Just leave the topic alone! Stop causing drama."
Now this. As much as I enjoy differing opinions, this is probably my biggest pet peeve. This is the same sort of mindset equivalent to why people get bullied. Why people don't speak out about their trauma. If everything was just swept under the rug, how long do you think it'll take before too much dust piles up under that rug? People aren't intending to cause drama. I'm not here to cause drama, but I am here to be clear. This sort of banning spree, the sort of assumption that these topics were brought up to stir the pot, that's what they are, assumptions.
If you truly believe everything and anything should just be swept under the rug, please be my guest. I have no qualms with that. What I have qualms about is trying to silence people who have the same rights to a voice as you do. Stop trying to shut everyone up just because it rocks the boat for you. Do not be a bystander to a problem, because then you are simply part of it. But you can choose to be if you really find that best suited for you.
I will be deleting this account following this post in order to protect my personal information.
I just beg you all to be a bit more open to the idea that this kind of behavior isn't okay. I also ask that anyone else posting on this thread holds the same amount of civility that Birdie did. Civility brings us peace, but I beg you to be more open and holding people accountable where they should be held accountable. Just because nothing happened to you doesn't make this situation fine and dandy.
Much love, I do hope those undeserving of their bans will be unbanned and a public apology will be issued.
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Excuse me but can someone give me a rundown on what happened here while I was gone?
I've no idea what is going on and I'd like to know so I can base a strong opinion on it, but I'm too lazy to read through 62 whole replies-
Sorry for butting into this thread with this, but from what I gather from Cavalry: something BAD has happened. Truly terrible happenings, related to some censorship & unfair bannings, aswell as some issues with the staff..?
I'm just confused and would like a detailed list or timeline of the events.
Again, sorry for butting in. Take care everyone, hopefully whatever's been happening can be fixed up properly.
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All of this because someone asked a question about a mental health resources thread that got deleted?? What is going on in here?
Demanding transparency isn't "drama", and it probably shouldn't a bannable offense in my honest opinion nor should saying "oof" or posting a pogchamp emote like y'all what is going ON here. So long as it's not fallacious or disrespectful, aren't we as a community allowed to ask questions and give our thoughts on a situation? Is that not why we have a discussion board? Maybe I've only seen one side of the story so correct me if I'm misinterpreting this, but this is ridiculous.
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Excuse me but can someone give me a rundown on what happened here while I was gone?
I've no idea what is going on and I'd like to know so I can base a strong opinion on it, but I'm too lazy to read through 62 whole replies-
Sorry for butting into this thread with this, but from what I gather from Cavalry: something BAD has happened. Truly terrible happenings, related to some censorship & unfair bannings, aswell as some issues with the staff..?
I'm just confused and would like a detailed list or timeline of the events.
Again, sorry for butting in. Take care everyone, hopefully whatever's been happening can be fixed up properly.
Sometime around December, xSpirit made a post with mental health resources, such as suicide hotlines. Then one day, the thread mysteriously disappears and AppleCider makes an innocent thread asking what happened to it because they had it bookmarked and needed it. Sura felt it was necessary to do an in-depth research on their IP and found it was the same as l3irdie's, immediately taking the stance that AppleCider was l3irdie's alt account made to cause trouble under a disguise when the reality is that AppleCider is an irl friend of l3irdie's who lives in the same area, hence the IP addresses being the same. After AppleCider's post is locked, l3irdie comes here to make this thread.
This thread was NOT made to cause problems but the staff themselves made it out that way and took offense, going on a banning spree to ban multiple members, including users who didn't post and simply lurked on the thread. They also banned users who were on FHU staff, even the ones who hadn't been active here on FH forums. Basically everyone here has an issue with the abuse of power, unprofessional behavior, lack of communication and community, and censorship of certain topics.
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Yes, this is a double post real quick. Ignore that part, though. There's a reason and it doesn't fit with my previous post.
But the thread Bird posted earlier, right above TimesNewRoman, either they deleted or a staff member deleted.
I'm going to assume it was a staff member who doesn't want others to truly see the extent of what happened because there's also an admin viewing this topic at the same time I'm posting this.
I'm gonna repost the links real quick, because the post was deleted while I still had them open, but if it turns out Bird did delete the post herself then I will remove the links at her request.
Removed by moderator
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To answer the original question asked in this thread, I will quote what Ressy has said:
The reason behind why the thread was removed wasn't due to any kind of censorship, but simply that FeralHeart does not want to be responsible if something was to happen to their users. Let's say the thread told them to contact someone and they didn't get the help they needed.
People who are struggling mentally shouldn't turn to a forum to start with, unless it is a genuine mental health forum.
Why? Because there are trolls everywhere.
I've struggled with my own mental health since I hit puberty, it took a while but I can finally say that I've overcome my issues.
The only reason I'm mentioning my own problems, is because I want you to know that I can relate to the topic.
Not once have I looked to turn to feral-heart or a similar forum regarding my troubles.
The best thing anyone struggling with mental health can do, is call their doctor or local charity.
The thread won't be remade.
I know some of you guys are coming from FHU, and I understand if you have concern for people's mental well being.
I'm sure xSpirit would be happy for you to post a similar thread on his forum.
The reason why there is a big difference between Suras post and my post, is that I was asleep when previous comments were made. Meaning, so was Raz.
I had to read back on the posts and then have a discussion with Raz as he was the person who deleted it, to see what his reason was.
FeralHeart does not want to be held accountable if anything were to happen to a user who used our platform to seek help and failed to get the help they needed. As Ressy has said, the best thing for anyone to do is reach out to their doctor or local charity for these types of situations, or to seek out a specialized organization with professionals who are trained properly to handle these types of situations. Not an online roleplaying game. I understand all of your frustrations regarding this, however Razmirz has given his reasoning as to why he does not want that kind of thread on this game's forum, and there is nothing we can do to change his mind. If you do not agree with how he wants things to be run here on FeralHeart, then you are more than welcome to seek out a platform that meets your standards. I am terribly sorry.
As for this thread itself, I will be locking it due to an answer being given to the original question, as well as the subject being thrown off topic with continued harassment towards others.