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Title: Stolen Art (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Rak$ha on January 15, 2011, 05:06:22 pm
Nala has spotted out that a few people have stolen other peoples art work; from DA or other websites.
Unless you get the owners permission to use their art, it is against the rules to put their art work in your signature or avatar.

If you are caught with art that isn't yours, you will get a warning. If you continue to do this, you could be banned for up to a week.

Sorry if this seems harsh, but people work hard on their art and do not want it stolen.

~$
Title: Re: Stolen Art (IMPORTANT)
Post by: GemWolf on January 15, 2011, 05:09:20 pm
 Mmkay Rak.
 I'll try and keep an eye out.
Title: Re: Stolen Art (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Robin_Wolfieh on January 15, 2011, 05:21:29 pm
People should water-log their art, so they know it theirs.

-other than that, protect you own artwork at your own cost or show them publicly at your own risk.
Title: Re: Stolen Art (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Aroxy on January 15, 2011, 06:11:20 pm
Don't bash me for this, but this is my opinion, (not that i have any interest in stealing anyone's art, i have my own imagination) but.. when you make something and put it on the internet for the entire world to see, chances are, your idea is going to be 'stolen'. It's kind of hard to stop people from doing this, because if someone has a good idea, someone else going to take it..That's just how the world goes 'round.. If people don't want their art stolen, they shouldn't post it on the internet.. that's just how i feel :/


~Aroxy
Title: Re: Stolen Art (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Nala_91 on January 15, 2011, 06:37:18 pm
Doesn't matter, it's a rule around here.
Title: Re: Stolen Art (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Aroxy on January 15, 2011, 06:43:57 pm
It doesn't matter that it doesn't matter, it can be a rule, i'm just saying there's really no way to stop it from happening.


~Aroxy
Title: Re: Stolen Art (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Rak$ha on January 15, 2011, 07:25:30 pm
There is no way to stop it from happening, but we can try.
Banning and being told by mods SHOULD be enough.
Title: Re: Stolen Art (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shizuka on January 15, 2011, 07:27:18 pm
Well some people purposely put art online for other people to use. I think the term is, "Wallpaper". Art that is posted that is yours and yours alone, just to show friends, shouldn't be stolen from. I think it is ok, to look up wallpaper art and use it, maybe if you need a forest backround, or there's a pretty swirly backround that you wanna use. As long as you don't claim that you made the backround too, that you just found some nice pictures and put them together with your own art, it should be ok :)

Don'tcha think that sounds fair? :D
Title: Re: Stolen Art (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Robin_Wolfieh on January 15, 2011, 07:34:18 pm
Some people can find loopholes and go AROUND security, dispite being banned and/or warned.

-I say copyright you own work and form documents/files so you can sue-
...oh, that's going far, isn't it? X3 (Just saying)
Title: Re: Stolen Art (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Avani on January 15, 2011, 07:47:49 pm
Just to let you guys know i have permission to use this :]
(http://i1191.photobucket.com/albums/z470/AvaniMagic/Refs/AvaniRef.png)

Here is her rules
http://tanidareal.deviantart.com/gallery/8057179#/d1of5pe


Just wanted people to know so they dont think i steal :)
Title: Re: Stolen Art (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Duskers on January 15, 2011, 08:33:05 pm
@Carmen - If you prove the art is yours and someone took it, they can get into some very deep legal trouble. You can actually get thousands out of it. THIS IS ALSO A REMINDER TO ALL ART THIEVES OUT THERE C:
Title: Re: Stolen Art (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Split on January 15, 2011, 08:49:48 pm
Rak, just saying, but wouldn't using that Nala pic as your icon also be considered art theft, since you yourself did not draw it? > 3>;
Title: Re: Stolen Art (IMPORTANT)
Post by: M0N0KR0MAE on January 15, 2011, 08:57:35 pm
THANK GOD.

I always keep a keen eye on images posted on forums i frequent. I just...guh, can't stand art thievery D:<
Title: Re: Stolen Art (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Robin_Wolfieh on January 15, 2011, 08:59:29 pm
@Duskers
-I'm aware of that. Those that does copyright infringement will be either fined, jailed for a set period or both. (To name a few...YOU CAN'T HIDE FROM THE LAW, THEY WILL TRACK YOU!)
Title: Re: Stolen Art (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Luane on January 15, 2011, 09:05:30 pm
Ok, I need so say something on this too.
Many people post lineart on dA and put their signature on it so people can use it without having to remember crediting them in the artist comments. In 90% of the cases such linearts are free for use.

I belong to the group of people being accused of having stolen an image and have to say that sometimes it is better to doublecheck whether the image is stolen or not. When having an dA link, one can check the artist username and compare it to the on on FH. Sure, sometimes peoples have different names, but in my case the whole thing about me having stolen it could have been proved false.
Title: Re: Stolen Art (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Luane on January 15, 2011, 09:05:38 pm
Ok, I need so say something on this too.
Many people post lineart on dA and put their signature on it so people can use it without having to remember crediting them in the artist comments. In 90% of the cases such linearts are free for use.

I belong to the group of people being accused of having stolen an image and have to say that sometimes it is better to doublecheck whether the image is stolen or not. When having an dA link, one can check the artist username and compare it to the on on FH. Sure, sometimes peoples have different names, but in my case the whole thing about me having stolen it could have been proved false.
Title: Re: Stolen Art (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shizuka on January 15, 2011, 09:13:09 pm
@Luane I agree! that's why people put their signatures on art, so that others can use or post it elswhere and the original artist keeps his/her due credit for the picture! As long as you don't take credit for that person's picture, it should be legal :D
Title: Re: Stolen Art (IMPORTANT)
Post by: GemWolf on January 15, 2011, 09:16:45 pm
When it comes to art theft I'm always on the lookout.  I remember the time I had art stolen. I didn't like it at all.
Title: Re: Stolen Art (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shizuka on January 15, 2011, 09:17:27 pm
I don't mind people using my sig for the sun rays, or getting the headband and ninja shuriken hoister or flaming sword or amaterasu markings idea, as long as they don't purposely copy it exactly. If they wanna role play as my twin, that's ok too, then if they get my permission to do that, they may use the exact same look and Banner. But I prefer they don't take my name too with all that.
Title: Re: Stolen Art (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Avani on January 15, 2011, 09:21:19 pm
Oh forgot copyright on my avatar o:
But now i have :D

Its a free icon :3
http://s973.photobucket.com/albums/ae216/Kiittsune/Animash%20icons/
Title: Re: Stolen Art (IMPORTANT)
Post by: dragoness123 on January 15, 2011, 09:22:49 pm
they shoulden't steal anything from anyone else unless they ask permission to burrow it that is so messed up we should do something about this >:(
Title: Re: Stolen Art (IMPORTANT)
Post by: GemWolf on January 15, 2011, 09:25:30 pm
 Yeah, I'm okay with people using my stuff as long as they don't say they made it.  That really sets me off.
Title: Re: Stolen Art (IMPORTANT)
Post by: dragoness123 on January 15, 2011, 09:27:34 pm
wait how do you put an icon on my thingy idk how lol
Title: Re: Stolen Art (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Robin_Wolfieh on January 15, 2011, 09:32:44 pm
If someone used my art without permission, I would be peeved (doubt it, though since my art isn't really impressive...Btw, my icon pic was made on Gimp a day ago and uploaded it reccently).
Title: Re: Stolen Art (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Kieva on January 15, 2011, 09:33:56 pm
I don't like art theft either. Sometimes I get confused on what art to use as backgrounds. Like if you look up "Magical Forest" on google it shows many pictures of forests and such. I get confused on which on to use because there is no copyright name to it.

That really didn't mean anything but I'm just saying... Meow.~

Anyways, if you do end up posting art, you should put your name on it, and when you post art you could put some rules down on rather or not the other people could use it, and how they could use it. I should start doing that myself. Maybe post it in my DA signature or something.

Anyways, if someone uses a picture, and it says they cannot use it. They should not use it.
On the other hand, if there is a picture that says nothing about other people use it, I think people should be able to use it as long as they give credit to the artist, to a link to the picture and inform the artist that you are using it, also give them a link to the place it is being used at. If the artist says to take the art down, then Take. It. Down. and inform them that you took it down.

What do you think about this? I mean, that's just my opinion. If this offends anyone I'm very sorry, I do not mean to offend anyone. Just stating my opinion. c:
Title: Re: Stolen Art (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Luane on January 15, 2011, 09:43:14 pm
I aggree with you, Kieva. The page of the lineart artists are usually on their free linearts and it can be easily traced whether that lineart is free for use or not. if its unclear, message the artist.

And HELL YES. If an artist refuses usage of a picture its got to be taken down.
Title: Re: Stolen Art (IMPORTANT)
Post by: M0N0KR0MAE on January 15, 2011, 10:07:06 pm
If you need to use photos for photomanipulation, there's several sites made 'specially for stock.
Simple as that, legal and ALOT better than Google
Title: Re: Stolen Art (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Nala_91 on January 15, 2011, 10:48:17 pm
But that's the thing, if they don't read all the rules then they can get in trouble. Like my lineart for example; I had to yell at a few people for using it to make characters, when it was meant for marking suggestions.

lol My avatar, I have my copyright on it. It even has my signature so could clearly see if anyone stole it, same goes for my signature too. I have the original sketch with the wings to prove it was mine anyway.

Loopholes? We can track Ip's and ban them each time, lets play the game of find that user.
Title: Re: Stolen Art (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Robin_Wolfieh on January 15, 2011, 11:15:14 pm
@Nala
...say that they were using a site to surf undetected (such as invisi-surf, ectera).
Title: Re: Stolen Art (IMPORTANT)
Post by: dragonzoomer on January 15, 2011, 11:20:13 pm
its simple really

dont use art unless its your own or you have permission. there should be no debate about this.
Title: Re: Stolen Art (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Kayo on January 16, 2011, 01:26:12 am
I agree with this completely I just hope it's not maybe a child who doesn't understand about copyright and thought it was ok to use them or maybe someone uploaded it to some where else so they could use the image in there sig like they upload it to a site which then has the IMG code that they copy and paste but they didn't say that it was them that uploaded the pic to the other site in the first place which makes them look like they stole it? What I'm trying to say is it could be a missunderstanding but if it is not then i fully agree and who ever stole said art should be banned or some thing >:(

Just something that I thought could happen.

Kayo-
Title: Re: Stolen Art (IMPORTANT)
Post by: SrsBusiness on January 16, 2011, 01:31:55 am
Art thieves = derp.
Title: Re: Stolen Art (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Redlinelies on January 16, 2011, 03:57:15 am
Don't bash me for this, but this is my opinion, (not that i have any interest in stealing anyone's art, i have my own imagination) but.. when you make something and put it on the internet for the entire world to see, chances are, your idea is going to be 'stolen'. It's kind of hard to stop people from doing this, because if someone has a good idea, someone else going to take it..That's just how the world goes 'round.. If people don't want their art stolen, they shouldn't post it on the internet.. that's just how i feel :/


~Aroxy

And I 2nd that, and it was like it was taken from my head. If someone steal your art or any other sort of work it might be lazy and it wont get you respected exactly if people find out. But it's not like we can stop the art stealing completely.

However though. If someone actually report to the mods about stolen art and it turns out to be true. We'd have to contact the people since the rules says no art stealing.

To be honest, this is abit of what goes around comes around if you ask me.
Title: Re: Stolen Art (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Aroxy on January 16, 2011, 04:28:22 am
Wish there was a button for me to like your post over and over again, Red



~Aroxy
Title: Re: Stolen Art (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Motoko on January 16, 2011, 05:31:03 am
If it's art of a character, or the art has been passed around until there is no possible way of finding and contacting the owner, there's no point, so popular characters and whatnot are usually clipped into avatars, I have yet to see Production I.G, Bandai, or anyone else give much of a hoot about forum avatars. Please be more specific, otherwise, don't at all. YOU can't say what happens with those avatars (I got mine off an internet gallery somewhere, There was no listed owner) ONLY the owner of the artwork can, and if you post it ON THE INTERNET, WITHOUT A watermark, EXPECT your artwork to get passed around if it's good enough.

I'm not claiming I made it, THAT is not art theft, Claiming I made it would be, and i'm not, I give credit to the respectful owner of the image.

You as an individual (or a group, even) can't stop this, so sorry, cruel fact of life, it happens.
Title: Re: Stolen Art (IMPORTANT)
Post by: TealSkeletore on January 16, 2011, 05:45:18 am
That doesn't mean that we'll tolerate it.

Common pictures, from animes, movies, and such are fine. However a personal artist wouldn't like it much if their art was used without permission. Plus, those pictures which people steal usually DO have a watermark or a signature on them. That's because the best artists have the common sense to protect their work from being stolen and claimed as someone else's.
Title: Re: Stolen Art (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crash on January 16, 2011, 06:23:04 am
First of all, i do NOT want to add fire to this topic, but i just couldn't resist saying this.
My opinion about this? I say it's ridicilous.

Artwork is used as icons and sigs on the internet all the time. And nobody "steals" them. Nobody says they made them ( except if they added fonts, styles and other things, they say they did the edit ).
Artists know it. And they know it good. They should be happy that their art is appreciated and liked, as really, who'll use an icon they do not like? Or put something not-likeable in their sig?
In my opinion, this is a pointless rule. Right now it makes FH to be the only site with this, most ridicilous rule ever. No, don't get me wrong. I'm not a bad guy trolling here.
I am an artist myself ( was even forced to use own art as icon ), and i know what art theft is. I have been art theft'd so many times that i can hardly count them all, or at the matter, remember, as i don't care anymore :/
In my opinion it's a way how people compliment. Nobody steals things they don't like, right? Right.

Anyway. My question is, why was this even started?
Right now, the way you put it, means we can't use anything we didn't make. Neither can artwork from Lion King be used then, as it's property of Disney, and means everybody should contact Disney and ask, "Hello, can i cut out a picture from screenshot and use it?"
How is THAT any different? As i doubt you guys actually contacted Disney and asked if it's okay to use THEIR artwork. Official doesn't mean take-able. So right now i see YOU stealing. Omg, call the copyright police!!!
*Ahem* Sorry for that. Just making my point clear :/
I know you guys are doing a GOOD thing, caring about art theft being punished and all, but this is waaay over the top. I don't support art theft, but i do not support this, either.
Plus, it's not like you can contact EVERY artist. My current Skype icon is cut out from one amazing art work i found in my saved Rockman arts folder. I know who drew it and all, as they are my favorite artist, but there is a problem. I found it on Pixiv. Pixiv means Japan. Obviously, my favorite artist does NOT speak English. So how do i ask them now? :I
All i can do is use the icon, advertise and share their beautiful artwork with the world, as many don't even know what a Pixiv is.
And yes, icons and sigs do stand mainly for advertisement. If i like yours, i ask, where you got it, you link me, and i can then appreciate the artists amazing work, too.
Now how is THAT bad in any way? I am sure artists who spent hours or even days on art feel happy when their work is appreciated by the masses, not only that one person who stalks their gallery, as others have no idea that artist even exists.
Sure, the ones that do NOT enjoy this say it. And ask to take off their work. A good fan always listens, so where IS the problem?

Sorry if i sound like some bad guy to you, but this is my opinion. And it's legal to have it, as i came up with it. Amazing, no? <w<
*Ahem* Yeah, sorry if i offened anyone. It's just sad to see pointless dramas like this.
And i hope i didn't bring more fire to here than it had before *sigh*
These topics always cause a lot of hate, drama and depressions :/

*agrees with Motoko*
Plus i'm offened now :c
You said i lack common sense *sob*
Title: Re: Stolen Art (IMPORTANT)
Post by: TealSkeletore on January 16, 2011, 06:27:39 am
Crash - read my post right above yours.

And FYI, this rule is implemented on other websites too.
Title: Re: Stolen Art (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crash on January 16, 2011, 06:48:50 am
I did read it. Before i posted mine, even.

The part, "common pictures from this and that are ok" is false.
No matter how you put it, that ALSO counts as theft.
As it's the copyrighted property of whoever owns the actual title/ product.
Saying it's ok is the same as making Pokemon sprite recolors/ edits copyrighted.
While in fact, it's all theft, but people don't realize it and even sell them on certain sites.
So it is very wrong to allow use of copyrighte materials of ANY kind if such rule is made.

I'd like to know at least one another, then.
So far i haven't been lucky to find at least one :I
Title: Re: Stolen Art (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Redlinelies on January 16, 2011, 07:29:45 am
I understand you crash, And I don't feel that you added any flame to this topic.

However though. I think the main reason why it's there is because some art are directly from the games or related to it. And alot of people know eachother in the community. I agree it can be silly. But if some member drew some art, it gets used here on the boards by someone else. And they don't like it. I think they should have the right to have control over their art atleast here. Atleast, that's why I belive the rule was made in the first place?

We are not trying to have some sort of "Stop the art stealing on the interwebzz" policy. :3

I think it might be easy to read this rule overweight to one side =

If you don't like people using art without permission and see someone saying the rule is weird. It might be easy to think they just don't care. Or if you think that this rule is silly and see someone post that they think art theft is serious. It might be easy to think they are trying to prevent something that's impossible to control.

As long as you keep your manners while talking things out there will be no problem.

I do think this rule is abit weird. But it's there and I will have to follow it. But it's not like I feel that I need to worry about it personally if it's there. xD
Title: Re: Stolen Art (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Crash on January 16, 2011, 08:50:40 am
Ah, good then. I'm always afraid to join on such topics, as i tend to mess up with saying things in a nice manner, and it makes it worse even if i did not mean to worsen the thing at all xD;
Bad english grammar knowings are bad.

In that case, yes. But then again, the actual artist can quetly contact the "thief", ask their reasons for the use, and nicely ask to take down. At least, that is my way pf sorting theft issues. I do not enjoy everybody bashing the poor person. While they did a bad thing, they still have their reasons. Talking out nicely always is better than bringing up the fire of hate.
So technically, the user can talk it out on their own, and if it doesn't help, only then ask for help of mods. No need to get the whole community attack that one person. As now that definitely would happen.

Well, it would be hard to get rolling xD
It's impossible to keep a track of everything on the interwebs.

That's when taken from both sides. But theres also the middle.

Indeed. Knowing how to talk out things the nice and quet way always is a key to successful and positive result :3

Hmm, true. Rule is a rule, no matter how ridicilous or weird :/
But i am pretty sure FH would be just fine without it, too. Most of people are mainly from TLKFAA, and that place is full of cool people and has a nice community, with few art theft happening, as much as i recall ( sadly got on the FAA art theft'd people list, too xD ). So i think the peeps could easily just talk it out, without getting this serious.
But hey, thats just me and my opinion |D;
Title: Re: Stolen Art (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Redlinelies on January 16, 2011, 09:07:00 am
Quote
In that case, yes. But then again, the actual artist can quetly contact the "thief", ask their reasons for the use, and nicely ask to take down. At least, that is my way pf sorting theft issues. I do not enjoy everybody bashing the poor person. While they did a bad thing, they still have their reasons. Talking out nicely always is better than bringing up the fire of hate.

Ofcourse. But I think in most cases the artist actually asks first. And if that's not enough, then they can turn to a mod to help them out. Cause if this rule says bash on everyone that uses someone elses art. Then I got this whole rule wrong lol.

Are you sure about the TLKFAA though? I think it's rather wide throughout youtube and DA aswell. But yarr. A result from calm conversations is just what's needed.

However though, I'm probably about to talk more about the rule than I actually know. xD I think I got my own view out of this atleast.



Title: Re: Stolen Art (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Painful on January 16, 2011, 09:56:00 am
Yes, if you put art on the internet there is a risk of people taking it- however, that's no excuse for art theft. You work hard to make a piece of art, and somebody steals it. Nobody has the right to say: Ohhh well, you put it there so they can use it because it's on the internet!

I have a habit of going on Youtube and watching AMVs of Warriorcats people make out of images off Deviantart, and all they credit using it 'found on deviantart and photobucket' and when you complain about creditting the artists, they get annoyed saying 'But I cant go around every artist and ask permission to use it!' or, 'It's an old video!' or even, what annoys me most, the excuse of 'But it's on the interent so I'm ALLOWED to use it.' Sometimes asking them to credit gives them an idea of what they are doing and they usually stop taking art without permission, but that's only less them 10% of the time.

...Come on guys. Anyone who even disagrees that art theft is wrong is silly, how would you like it if you worked on something really hard, spending hours drawing it, for somebody to steal it. Especially if they claim it's their own.


/endrant
Title: Re: Stolen Art (IMPORTANT)
Post by: TealSkeletore on January 16, 2011, 11:00:16 am
'But it's on the interent so I'm ALLOWED to use it.'

lol I hate that excuse. It's basically the same as saying "It's in an art gallery, I'm allowed to steal it!"
Title: Re: Stolen Art (IMPORTANT)
Post by: ColonelHamilton on January 16, 2011, 11:24:02 am
Ugh, other people don't get to decide whether or not an artist should care about art theft, or if they should be happy to see you stealing their art or whatever.  You don't get to decide that.

While using characters from movies and such is technically copyright infringement a lot of the time, it works differently on a forum.  If you have a Jack Sparrow avatar, you're marking yourself as a PotC fan and just about everyone recognizes the source.  If you make an avatar from a piece of pirate artwork from someone's personal online gallery, however, you are not advertising,  promoting, or supporting a fandom or property.  You're taking a cool design someone else made and using it to decorate your posts.

Using stolen art in sigs and avatars isn't the end of the world, but it's usually better to avoid getting into that kind of mess.
Title: Re: Stolen Art (IMPORTANT)
Post by: TealSkeletore on January 16, 2011, 11:47:38 am
^Really good way to put it, thank you Ham. I agree 100% >w<
Title: Re: Stolen Art (IMPORTANT)
Post by: RealBalto on January 16, 2011, 12:19:00 pm
Someone told me Orion got caught for stealing art.
Here http://feral-heart.com/index.php?option=com_jfusion&Itemid=2&lang=en&jfile=index.php&topic=686.0
Did he steal art?
Title: Re: Stolen Art (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Zarago on January 16, 2011, 12:38:35 pm
Alright, I'll keep an eye out.
Title: Re: Stolen Art (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Painful on January 16, 2011, 03:40:18 pm
@Zeke. Yes, I do beleive they did. After digging around on Deviantart, I found a character named Orion that looks exactly the same, drawn in the same style. The original image I think the artist put into storage, so I was unable to find the exact image.

http://aluminemsiren.deviantart.com/gallery/?q=orion#/d1dyxgq there's the link.
Title: Re: Stolen Art (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Aroxy on January 16, 2011, 04:15:07 pm
Why would anyone go through the trouble of searching around a website with millions of images just to find one that looks exactly the same that someone put on a website, and then go and have the entire forums bash that person for it.


That sounds so rediculous...


~Aroxy
Title: Re: Stolen Art (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shizuka on January 16, 2011, 05:38:02 pm
@Aroxy I agree! It just gets annoying by then. Maybe the person wouldn't mind their art being used anyway. If it does bother the original artist, then the person who used it will hafta do something else. :D
Title: Re: Stolen Art (IMPORTANT)
Post by: cynder401 on January 16, 2011, 06:52:50 pm
what i have in my signature has been requested from art shops on a different site ;) but their my characters
Title: Re: Stolen Art (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Avani on January 16, 2011, 06:56:23 pm
( I searched Orion and found two)
http://howlingcrimson.deviantart.com/
http://aluminemsiren.deviantart.com/gallery/

Two Orions ? O.o
Title: Re: Stolen Art (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Sylph on January 16, 2011, 07:04:15 pm
Ah, I'll be on the lookout! : D
This might be helpful: Tineye - searches for pictures on the internet that are like the ones you have have searched. (http://www.tineye.com)
Very useful for art theft, I must say.
Title: Re: Stolen Art (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Tripwire on January 16, 2011, 07:06:15 pm
The links were not working for me, but I mean I have a character named Awiti who I have used for many years and now on this site someones username is awiti so long as thier character doesnt look like mine I dont see why the same name thing is a big deal? I don't think stealing art is good but if the original artist is credidted(sp) or asked to use it maybe we shouldnt jump to comclusions so quick folks =/
Title: Re: Stolen Art (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Aroxy on January 16, 2011, 07:28:33 pm
Yeah, exactly.. see.. there's more then one orion that looks EXACTLY THE SAME!



~ Aroxy
Title: Re: Stolen Art (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Nyla on January 16, 2011, 08:18:49 pm
@Aroxy; As an artist myself, I feel it is my duty to correct you. It is not 'so rediculous'. It's justice. In real life, it is literally ILLEIGAL to take someone's work and claim it as your own. You can be sued, fined, and/or put in prison. It's called plagiarism, and it's a real issue, especially on the internet. So if you find this over the top, I would say you need to step back and just be glad that no one is stealing YOUR artwork. Yet.
Title: Re: Stolen Art (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Aroxy on January 16, 2011, 08:56:28 pm
Nyla, you're my friend so I respect what you have to say; Yes, it is illegal, but so is umm.. speeding, underage drinking, smoking.. the list goes on and on, and how many people do you see speeding, drinking when they are 16 years old, smoking ciggarettes when they aren't 18.. Yeah, it's the law, and yeah, you can go to jail for a lot of things that are illegal, but even the police cannot stop people from breaking it. Plagiarism is a huge deal, you're right, you can get in a lot of trouble for doing it. But i think you should leave that up for the people who's job it is to deal with it.


~Aroxy
Title: Re: Stolen Art (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Nala_91 on January 16, 2011, 09:12:48 pm
Sometimes the artist doesn't know there art is stolen, so it's our job to contact the artist, find out if it was free to use, and if not report the post and let the mod remove it.

Actually that stolen artwork is http://liberatedliberator.deviantart.com/ work, she commissioned it sketched by another artist and finished it herself. That might be why you see more then one drawing.
http://liberatedliberator.deviantart.com/art/eel-face-164454028
Title: Re: Stolen Art (IMPORTANT)
Post by: TheNeon on January 16, 2011, 10:05:08 pm
I've been reading through this thread- and I'd like to point something out-

I'm not trying to be offensive or anything, but there is a quote I remembered hearing when I was a little girl....

"Imitation is the highest form of flattery,"
Title: Re: Stolen Art (IMPORTANT)
Post by: TealSkeletore on January 16, 2011, 11:02:43 pm
"Imitation is the highest form of flattery,"

I used to think the same way back when I was a newbie artist on the internet. But as I progressed and improved, and started putting a lot more work in to my art, I realized that I wouldn't like it very much if someone took my picture, pretended that it was their work, claimed my character as their own, and went so far as to actually use that character on a roleplay game or forum.
Title: Re: Stolen Art (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Freyja on January 16, 2011, 11:06:28 pm
"Imitation is the highest form of flattery" does not make it okay to steal. I don't see how that pardons ANYONE from art theft?

Edit: Oh and before someone pokes me about my signature, I commissioned that.
Title: Re: Stolen Art (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Buri288 on January 16, 2011, 11:39:39 pm
Title: Re: Stolen Art (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shizuka on January 16, 2011, 11:50:20 pm
Yeah this topic has gotten everyone excited and has become a debate...If you don't wan't your art to be claimed and used by other people, put your signature or some sort of Please do not use my artwork sign on it. Otherwise, if you post it online and don't claim it as your own, it pretty much belongs to anyone on the internet :D A the leader of feral hearts or the forum highest rank person should just read this, people's opinions,  and make a descision. Then the rules are set and people should follow them.
Title: Re: Stolen Art (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Buri288 on January 17, 2011, 12:01:40 am
That's not how copyright law works.
In fact such a thing as 'poor man's copyright' exists, which means as soon as you finish drawing an image, writing a story, etc. it's automatically copyrighted to the creator.  No watermarking or signatures on the image required.

Would you walk into a museum and steal a painting because it's hanging for the public?  I highly doubt it (and you'd be swiftly arrested if you tried).
Title: Re: Stolen Art (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Tripwire on January 17, 2011, 12:05:28 am
very true theneon but making art like somones and stealing thier completly are a little different. I personally cant draw very well but I wouldnt appreciate somone using my art as thier own and getting complments  about it that dont belong to them. =/
Title: Re: Stolen Art (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shizuka on January 17, 2011, 03:37:29 am
Well the people who didn't put their signature or whatever on the art didn't get copyright law, so, if they don't claim it, anyone can use it. Not that it's right, its just that no one can stop people from using it. You should never steal someone's art and take credit for it. When I post cool pictures that I've seen before to show other people, I don't take credit for it. I make sure they know it's not mine and I didn't draw it. If it's a specific person's art, I would get their permission. Some art is posted online by people and is intended to be shown to the public, such as WALLPAPERS. This category of art is released onto the internet purposely, for people who like that kind of thing to use it to show others. Of course it's still not right to claim you drew it. :)
Title: Re: Stolen Art (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Buri288 on January 17, 2011, 04:07:54 am
You completely missed the first part of my previous post.

Here, this is taken directly from the US Copyright Office's website (http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-general.html):

"When is my work protected?
Your work is under copyright protection the moment it is created and fixed in a tangible form that it is perceptible either directly or with the aid of a machine or device."

Basically what that means is immediately after you create something like a drawing, it's protected by copyright law.  You do not need to add a watermark or signature to have your image protected by copyright law, but it helps to protect it from art thieves because it's like a target saying "THIS IS MINE" so people know it's stolen.
Title: Re: Stolen Art (IMPORTANT)
Post by: TealSkeletore on January 17, 2011, 04:32:50 am
Buri, if you like you could make a thread explaining all this and I can sticky it in the rules section so it's easier to find.
Title: Re: Stolen Art (IMPORTANT)
Post by: dragonzoomer on January 17, 2011, 04:42:33 am
quick recap here;

it doesnt matter if its being posted on the internets and it tempts you! its still stealing!

theres a big difference between using images that are public domain (screen shots from animes movies and comics) and using something that not many people know existed (private artist, professional art, commissioned art etc)

you DONT NEED YOUR SIGNATURE ON SOMETHING FOR IT TO BE COPYRIGHTED. as soon as you make it its officially yours.

stealing art IS A CRIME AND YOU CAN GET IN SERIOUS LEGAL TROUBLE FOR IT!

if you want to use art thats not your own DONT JUST GIVE CREDIT! some artists dont like it even with credit!

just ask before using someone elses art, its not that hard

btw if this site didnt have a rule like this then it itself can be closed down.
Title: Re: Stolen Art (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Cello on January 17, 2011, 11:33:09 am
No flaming or torching please, but I'd just like to say that when IT was online and I was popular, someone sat near me and copied Cello (without the preset obviously but same name and colors). I was really mad at that time and now I've realized that now I'm sad about it. The person felt so left out that they had to copy a character because they wanted recognition. I'm pretty sure that this person didn't have many friends too as I had never seen them in any maps.

Anyway, My view on this topic is that yeah, stealing art or anything in general is wrong. But, you all do have very good points. Also, I don't think that the purpose of the topic is to debate or argue, but to remind everyone that stealing art is not tolerated here. And what the staff says, those are the rules. What ever your views are on them, we all still have to follow these rules
Title: Re: Stolen Art (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Makarov on January 17, 2011, 12:09:47 pm
I've sadly had my art stolen once - and its NOT acceptable.
The feeling of someone else stealing from you and getting all the reconizion is out of order.
I'm not really going to join in this topic, but if anyone backs up the 'stealing' I hope you understand what your really doing. Though I doubt many people will, because there is alot of very nice people here.
Title: Re: Stolen Art (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Arukardis on January 17, 2011, 03:27:35 pm
Thank god for this. I've had my art stolen and used on foreign language foruns and whatever and it's not pleasent, specially when they use your personal chars and RP with them. That's just unacceptable.

And the Orion thing: yeah, I found it odd the way he reacted on Rakuen, my current clan, so I contacted the real Orion on DA. He said he was not the same person as this one and that he never heard about FH, and was pissed that someone was balantly using his personal char. He informed me that he would contact the mods here and the impersonator. And I guess it's all cleared out now.

This should server as an example for all you people out there. If it's not yours, don't take it. It's common sense.
Title: Re: Stolen Art (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Motoko on January 17, 2011, 07:59:40 pm
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...Come on guys. Anyone who even disagrees that art theft is wrong is silly, how would you like it if you worked on something really hard, spending hours drawing it, for somebody to steal it. Especially if they claim it's their own.

Nobody here is saying it's okay, but BE A BIT CLEARER NEXT TIME. Most sites say;

"Do not use artwork from DeviantArt without the artist's written permission."

Or something like that.

That's a strong deterrent, given if they don't have written permission, then that can be punished. And you need to send a scanned .pdf file in most cases or ask the artist if <name> has permission to use his/her artwork.
Title: Re: Stolen Art (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Kirsui on January 17, 2011, 08:21:43 pm
As far as I know, there was just one case when a drawing of mine was used without my permission. I remember being surprised, slightly angry and extremely confused on what I should do. :'D

I ended up slapping watermarks on everything. *shrug* It seems to have worked so far.

As a side note, this site seems to be very helpful when looking for stolen artwork: http://www.tineye.com/ You can provide it with an image, and it will search similar from the Internet. Seems to work quite well too if there happens to be copies of it around.
Title: Re: Stolen Art (IMPORTANT)
Post by: SilverSephiroth on January 17, 2011, 08:25:22 pm
I personally have had problems with this the whole two years I have been on the internet. My art being stolen constantly, if anything, the only thing I let others use is line art, which would mention FREE USE obviously. But I am seriously touchy when people even think of using my art at all, specially because all my art is my characters or a request for a friend. I have my own website, people steal from it all the time and think it's even clever to steal my name, personal information and every thing. Content theft in general drives me up the wall and I see no excuses for it.

I haven't had trouble asking them to remove it right away, only twice have I actually had to report some one for throwing a fit and refusing, one even tried as hard to say I was the fake. e.e I have had people even steal the exact details to the character as well, which in my opinion makes it worse.

I love making art for others, when I get the chance, and that's the only time they can use my art, while still giving me credit.

And also I'm pretty sure it is correct, you do not need a warning or water mark on your art for it to be copyright, it is technically yours either way, the owners property.
Title: Re: Stolen Art (IMPORTANT)
Post by: TheKingCheetah on January 17, 2011, 08:39:03 pm
I would agree with everything, I've seen a lot of picture being stolen by many artist. Though people should go ask permission before using it in the first place. I starting to put my copyright on my art stuff since two or four picture that belong to me on chatango. I ask them to remove it immediately they did so after like 10 mins of arguing. I do accidentally in the past stolen without knowing it illegal. Though I stopped, and starting to ask permission. I've even seen on site there been stealing of contents, character, information, everywhere on site. And people pretending to be someone else. I just think people who steals and such, is failure in life, and just want to be aggrivating and annoying. I think all I could say. :]
Title: Re: Stolen Art (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shizuka on January 17, 2011, 10:07:38 pm
Nobodies getting my point ): Wallpaper art is made for fans of the subject of that art to show to others(Such as Lion King. I see many people using pictures from Lion king and alpha and omega, but they didn't steal it. Of course they didn't draw it either). Art made by artist is NOT to be used a.k.a. stolen. That's why signatures and watermarks help prevent that from happaning. I'm not saying its ok to use someone else's art. Its not ok at all to steal someone else's art. :P
Title: Re: Stolen Art (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Motoko on January 17, 2011, 11:29:28 pm
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Posted by: Li-Li the sparkling ninja
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quick recap here;

it doesnt matter if its being posted on the internets and it tempts you! its still stealing!

theres a big difference between using images that are public domain (screen shots from animes movies and comics) and using something that not many people know existed (private artist, professional art, commissioned art etc)

you DONT NEED YOUR SIGNATURE ON SOMETHING FOR IT TO BE COPYRIGHTED. as soon as you make it its officially yours.

stealing art IS A CRIME AND YOU CAN GET IN SERIOUS LEGAL TROUBLE FOR IT!

if you want to use art thats not your own DONT JUST GIVE CREDIT! some artists dont like it even with credit!

just ask before using someone elses art, its not that hard

btw if this site didnt have a rule like this then it itself can be closed down.

Excuse me? You just kind of said yourself "if this forum doesn't have this rule, it should be closed down completely."

Watch your wording, please. Either stay here and support the forum, or you can just leave. That was rude, either way, especially the way you formatted and worded that statement. to be honest, most of the comments coming from you seem rude, but I suppose that's just me.
Title: Re: Stolen Art (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Venku on January 17, 2011, 11:44:19 pm
Stolen art is a topic that upsets a lot of people. However, this is not an art sharing/posting website and forum.

We do not need the excess arguments out for everyone to see. Please take them to PM's or somewhere else.

I sympathize with artists whose art has been stolen. I wouldn't like it if someone tried to steal my fursona's design either.

If it is inappropriate or has to do directly with the game of FH regarding the stealing of a preset design, then of course we will look into the issue. But like I said before, this is not an art sharing/posting website and cannot be expected to launch investigations for every single piece of stolen art.

~Ven

Title: Re: Stolen Art (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Buri288 on January 18, 2011, 12:26:55 am
If it happens on this site, it is your responsibility as an Administrator to investigate it Ven, even if it doesn't have to do directly with the game, because in the off chance that an artist did decide to take a user to court over the matter (and I've seen it happen before where an artist sues someone over matters of art theft), you could be seen as liable because you didn't do anything about it.
If someone reports art theft and has proof of it, remove the stolen material.  It's as simple as that.
Title: Re: Stolen Art (IMPORTANT)
Post by: bloodwulf on January 18, 2011, 02:21:09 am
im not trying to be bad but i just want to point this out. I DO ABSOLUTLY HATE ART ROBBERS, but hey. there are MANY ways of bypassing an copyright. one way is editing it. think about it, FORD made the first car...copyrighted it...guess what? some japanese guy only changed the body style and ended up with the same basic thing. Same for tooth brushed, colgate just made a little "different" handle than crest and sold it with a DIFFERENT copyright. so yea, just my opinions. only way to stop it is to elliminate it completly, make a monopoly or just dont put it out until ur ready. trust me, had some stolen alrdy thats how i know...  ;)
Title: Re: Stolen Art (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Shizuka on January 18, 2011, 02:27:38 am
Yes thats true too. Just changing someone else's art a little doesn't make it your new creation :D
Title: Re: Stolen Art (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Rak$ha on January 18, 2011, 09:11:55 am
Don't worry Buri, we'll make sure all stolen art is sorted. I ask members to pm the art mod (Xava I think) if you find any stolen art, and if they can't deal with it, they'll pm me.
Title: Re: Stolen Art (IMPORTANT)
Post by: M0N0KR0MAE on January 18, 2011, 12:05:01 pm
@Motoko

Li-Li meant that the site might be closed for copyright matters. Not that he wants it closed or something.
You should watch YOUR reactions, and re-read stuff before you comment.

Just sayin'
Title: Re: Stolen Art (IMPORTANT)
Post by: TealSkeletore on January 18, 2011, 01:14:56 pm
Theres now a thread in the 'rules' section explaining copyright, courtesy of Buri.
Title: Re: Stolen Art (IMPORTANT)
Post by: Rak$ha on January 18, 2011, 01:21:16 pm
Okay this can be locked then.