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FeralHeart Roleplay => Characters => Species => Topic started by: DeathHowl on October 21, 2011, 07:30:26 pm

Title: *~*The Half Breed*~* |OPEN|
Post by: DeathHowl on October 21, 2011, 07:30:26 pm
                                                       ~*Half Breed:Origin*~

Half-breed's began to appear in the late 1600's, and were the top animal to fear, worldwide. Half-Breeds came to near extinction in the early 1700's, not even 100 years after they started to appear. The were hunted for sport, protecting live stock, and for selling their precious pelts. Until one pair of domesticated Half-Breed's gave birth to a litter of 16 cubs. The owner of the Half-Breeds released the 16 cubs into the wild when they reached of sexual age, better then sending them off to another owner. The 16 Half-Breeds then had 8 litters, because In-Breeding in Half-Breeds usually never occurs. Ever since then, Half-Breeds began building their numbers to nearly 10,000 worldwide, and numbers are climbing drasticlly since the mid- 1900's.


                                                       ~*Half Breed:Behavior*~

Male Half-Breeds are extremly aggressive and will fight any male that crosses into territory, and will often
bully females around for food.

Female Half-Breeds are more timid than the males, but will only fight when protecting young, or fighting over
scraps of food or territory.


                                                      ~*Half Breed:Anatomy*~

The anatomy of this species is strange. Males have the body shape similar of a canid, and females have the body shape of a feline. Males and females have similar vocales, though males have much deeper tones then that of a female. Male pelt colors range from pure black, blood red's, deep blue's,gold's, and whites.Female pelt colors range from Pure white, gray's, browns,often pale green's, gold's, and random shades of red. Males are slightly larger than females in size,have small eyes, and have wide paws for grabbing and climbing. Females have large eyes, and wide spread paws for climbing but are useless for grabbing. Males and females have thick tails, but occasionally there will be one with a thinner tail, but longer than its original tail. Markings on males are wide spread and large, and sometimes spotted markings, with many lines rowing through it. Females have  patches of markings, and range from anywhere on her rump, head, chest, tail, ect, and sometimes no markings at all. Males and females have slitted eyes of any kind. Males have large, blunt ears(Hyena,Normal,Ripped) whereas females have normal sized, pointy ears(Neko, Long, Caracal, Goblin, Cat).

Examples:
(Male)
(http://i53BannedImageSite/211tog9.png)
(Female)
(http://i53BannedImageSite/r01cmo.png) [/size]


                                                      ~*Half Breed:Reproduction(Maybe Graphic)*~

When a female Half-Breed comes into season, her nose color or ear insides will change to a bright, neon blue(adult) or ice blue(first time breeding), depending on age. Females come of sexual age at just 10 Months old, and males are able to start reproducing at 8 months old. The female would run around, rubbing against an object, putting scents everywhere from her scent glands. The female's scent glands only work when its mating season. She will also yowl,hiss,chirp, or purr loudly to attract males. When a male is in breeding season, his eye color would turn into a neon version of his regular eye color, and his markings will go darker(or if the character had black markings, they would go lighter) and howl to see if she's around. Once the male has found the female, he would put on a display, such as exposing his throat while making rumbling or hissing noises, and waving his tail around. If the female accepts, she will go into a crouched position, and move her tail off to the side. The male would then walk over and start mounting her, for 15 minutes. Since the males are more canid, the pair would go into a dog knot.AFTER mating, the male would stay with the female for a while, licking and nuzzling her until she chases him off after a week. Half-Breeds rarely mate for life, and will mate with a different Half-Breed every time, though certain Half-Breed's choose to stay together. After the male has left, the female might mate with other males, though the first male that mates with her will be the father of that litter, so if she mates with any other male, they wouldn't impregnate her. The female is pregnant for 9 months(2 weeks in real life time).Matings take place in late autumn, and cubs are born in early or late summer.


                                                      ~*Half Breed:Raising Young*~

Before the female gives birth, she'll look for underground, abandoned dens to settle for when having her cubs. She could be in labour for about 2-48 hours depending on age or health. After giving birth, the female might suspect litter sizes to be around 4-9 cubs, though rarely, around 14-16 cubs. The cubs would nurse off her for nearly 5 months of their lives, but they are introduced meat at 3 months old. Cubs are born blind and deaf, and are unable to protect themselves, so the female must be cautious when choosing her den site. Cubs grow rapidly after they are weaned off of her milk. The cubs would then leave her to start a family of their own.


                                                      ~*Half Breed:Life Expectancy*~
Half-Breeds live for 90-100 years
Males stop breeding at the age of 85.
Females stop breeding at the age of 80.




                                                      ~*Half Breed:Sociality*~

Half-Breeds are almost always solitary, and only come together in mating season.


                                                      ~*Half Breed:Habitat*~

Half-Breeds are found in every continent in the world, even in the arctic.They mostly live in forests and jungles, and sometimes in open tundras.                                                       


                                                     ~*Half Breed:Creation Of Your Half-Breed*~

Ears: Male:Normal, Hyena, Ripped
         Female:Long,Caracal,Neko,Goblin,Cat.
Eyes:Any eye with slits

Colors:(Look back to Anatomy)

Tails: Male:Wolf, Thin.
         Female: Thick Tail, Rounded tail.

Manes: Male: Back/Elbow/Rump,Back,Elbow/Rump.
           Female:Back and Cheek Mane, Cheek Mane, Back, Elbow Tuft.

Head Manes: Half-Breeds do not have head manes.

Sizes:

Male                                                               Female
(http://i51BannedImageSite/14uibnn.png)(http://i52BannedImageSite/2ic2ko5.png)

Markings:
Male:
(Body)Ocelot,Cheetah,King Cheetah,Skeleton,Dalmation,Jaguar,Snow Leopard,Marble,Tiger,Spiral,
Swirl,Striped Hyena.

(Head)Snow Leopard,Jaguar,King Cheetah,Marble,Spiral,Swirl,Cub Spots,Dalmation,Mask,Tiger,
Ocelot,Striped Hyena.

(Tail)All tail markings.

Female:
(Body)Cub Spots,Stripes,Fading Spots, Fading Stripes,Leg Stripes,Chimera 1,Butt Stripes,Back Splotch,Liger,Siamese,Collar,Stripe Spots,Subtle Spotes,Back Stripe,Toeless Socks,BackLeg Stripes,Splatter Socks,Splatter Back,Butterfly,Leopon,No Markings.

(Head)Snow Leopard,Cub Spots,Stripes,Liger,Leopon,Swirl,Subtle Spots,Cougar,Chimera 1,Dalmation,Simple Stripe,Ear Rims,Eye Stripe.

(Tail)Dalmation,Cub Spots,Leopon,Liger,Swirl,Highlight,Stripe,Subtle Spots,Ring High,Ring Low,Ring Center.

Eye Colors:Reds,Blues,Greens,Black,Browns,Golds,Silver,Aqua
.



                                                      ~*Half Breed:Map*~

This map is still under construction.Ill put it up when it is done ;3 wont be long..
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Name:
Age:
Gender:
Markings:
Personality:
Picture:

Known Half-Breeds

Females:5
Males:5

(I also have my Half-Breed here :3 the first one,Pheonix,Is mine)

(http://i43BannedImageSite/2hdz81c.png)
Name:Pheonix
Age:2 Years(Adult)
Gender:Female
Markings:Body:Liger Head:Cougar Tail:Swirl
Personality:Pheonix is the one to be a little more aggressive than most females, and would actually take on any male for the right to keep her kill. Pheonix is Laid-Back,Overreactive,Protective,Willing,and gentle at times.


(http://i54BannedImageSite/2py7pcj.jpg)
Name: Chotara
Age: 10 months
Gender: Female
Markings: Head- Simple Stripe, Body- Stripe Spots, Tail- Ring Low
Personality: Chotara is a calm, go with the flow kind of gal, she doesn't like to get in the way, or be yelled at, but she doesn't let anyone push her around, she seems to have a war with herself in some ways, because she can't decide if she's good or bad.


(http://i55BannedImageSite/rmo3d4.png)
Name: Haru (means Spring)
Age: 1 year
Gender: Female
Markings: (Head) Cougar (Body) Cub Spots (Tail) Cub Spots
Marking Colors: Light green
Personality: She is cautious around strangers normally. Once she knows the other half-breed is no threat, she becomes calm and friendly, helping in any way she can. She is intelligent but she has a lot to learn still. (back to meeting another half-breed) However, if the other is hostile, she immediately becomes tense and snappy.

(http://i43BannedImageSite/30skbyb.png)
Name: Gavin
Age: 3 1/2 years (Adult)
Gender: Male
Markings: King Cheetah on head, body, and tail
Personality: Dark, Stoic, Level Headed, Calm, Fierce when he's angered.

(http://i43BannedImageSite/alna5k.png)
Name: Kujua (means 'Know' in Swahili)
Age: 2 years
Gender: Male (BI)
Special Features:Only Half-Breed with head mane.
Markings: Body- BackLeg stripes; Head- Tiger; Tail-Tiger
Personality: Kujua isn't like most males, he doesn't like hurting females and has wanted cub since forever, he hopes to have
some soon. He also is semi-attracked to males, and
tends to prefer them over females.


(http://i41BannedImageSite/30vp5ab.png)
Name-Lansura
Gender-Female
Age:47 years old (Adult)
Personality- Fierce, rarely tolerates other Half-Breeds being around her, even in breeding season she chases off most males that come.

(http://i40BannedImageSite/35iy4h1.png)
Name: Rosette
Age: 5 months
Gender: Female
Markings: Liger on all body parts, neon blue tail tip that will change to black after first mate
Personality: Brave, Innocent, Playful, Clever

(http://i39BannedImageSite/1054kso.png)
Name: Siri (Means Stealth In Swahilli)
Age: 2 years
Gender: Male
Markings: Body: Tiger, Head: Ocelot, Tail: Ring High
Personality: Siri is a quiet but fierce half-breed male. he would do anything for the ones that he loved but would kill anyone who gets on the bad side of him. Siri takes no interest in fighting over territory and if another half-breeds challenges him Siri would usually just walk away and find another place.

(http://i42BannedImageSite/iokrk7.png)
Name: Essqenoku (Ess, Noku, Nok, Eno, Qeno, or Sen @ n @ )
Age: 6 Solar sweeps (13 Years old)
Gender: Male (Bi)
Markings: Head = Tiger, Body = Tiger, Tail = Hellion (Pelt-Pure black, Underfur- Dark grey, Markings- light grey, Eyes- White blind slits )
Personality: Ess is very aggressive when he is bothered, He may act like all the other males, but he really isn't if you get to know the guy better. He doesn't partake into the abuse of female's, it is cruel in his opinion and just disgusting that any male would commit such acts of abuse, harrasment. He's a calm, short-tempered, fussy, sentimental, solitary Half-Breed. He tends to rest most of the time. He find's himself also finding intrest in other males, he tries to ignore it, but it bugs him slightly when he can take it off his mind or if your the certain male that has gotten under his skin. But he does like females too.

Name: Malaki
Age: 2.5-3 years
Gender: Male
Markings: Body-Ocelot, Head-Tiger, Tail-Hellion
Personality: Loud, crazy, doesn't listen to anyone even his mate, very rude, has no sweet side.
Picture: Coming




Title: Re: *~*The Half Breed*~* |OPEN|
Post by: *Wildfire* on October 25, 2011, 08:15:10 pm
This looks fun... I think I'll make a female.
Title: Re: *~*The Half Breed*~* |OPEN|
Post by: RockerGirl123 on October 25, 2011, 08:51:15 pm
I'll make a female soon, too! :D
Title: Re: *~*The Half Breed*~* |OPEN|
Post by: *Wildfire* on October 25, 2011, 09:14:46 pm
Name: Chotara
Age: 10 months
Gender: Female
Markings: Head- Simple Stripe, Body- Stripe Spots, Tail- Ring Low
Personality: Chotara is a calm, go with the flow kind of gal, she doesn't like to get in the way, or be yelled at, but she doesn't let anyone push her around, she seems to have a war with herself in some ways, because she can't decide if she's good or bad.
Picture: (Her markings will change to a yellow after she's had a mate)
(http://i54BannedImageSite/2py7pcj.png)
Title: Re: *~*The Half Breed*~* |OPEN|
Post by: RockerGirl123 on October 25, 2011, 09:18:13 pm
Name: Haru (means Spring)
Age: 1 year
Gender: Female
Markings: (Head) Cougar (Body) Cub Spots (Tail) Cub Spots
Marking Colors: Light green
Personality: She is cautious around strangers normally. Once she knows the other half-breed is no threat, she becomes calm and friendly, helping in any way she can. She is intelligent but she has a lot to learn still. (back to meeting another half-breed) However, if the other is hostile, she immediately becomes tense and snappy.
Picture:
(http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/7312/screenshot1025201116093.png)

Lol I have nothing to do right now, so it was a pretty quick "soon". ^^
Title: Re: *~*The Half Breed*~* |OPEN|
Post by: DeathHowl on October 25, 2011, 10:52:32 pm
^3^ Both of your Half-Breed's look absolutly amazing. :3
Title: Re: *~*The Half Breed*~* |OPEN|
Post by: *Wildfire* on October 25, 2011, 11:28:02 pm
Yay!
Title: Re: *~*The Half Breed*~* |OPEN|
Post by: aelitastar on October 25, 2011, 11:41:33 pm
i'll make one in a bit :D
Title: Re: *~*The Half Breed*~* |OPEN|
Post by: *Wildfire* on October 26, 2011, 12:22:15 am
Oh and Chotara's name means Half-breed in swahili ;)
Title: Re: *~*The Half Breed*~* |OPEN|
Post by: River-White-Wolf on October 26, 2011, 08:36:35 am
can you make multiple characters?
im just curious because...
well...
i made two half-breeds
Title: Re: *~*The Half Breed*~* |OPEN|
Post by: DeathHowl on October 26, 2011, 10:28:41 am
Lol...You can make a minimum of 3 half-breeds :3
Title: Re: *~*The Half Breed*~* |OPEN|
Post by: RockerGirl123 on October 26, 2011, 08:06:14 pm
We need some males. I'll make one. :)
Title: Re: *~*The Half Breed*~* |OPEN|
Post by: RockerGirl123 on October 26, 2011, 08:28:54 pm
Name: Gavin
Age: 3 & 1/2 years (Adult)
Gender: Male
Markings: King Cheetah on head, body, and tail
Personality: Dark, Stoic, Level Headed, Calm, Fierce when he's angered
Picture:
(http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/4282/screenshot1026201115164.png)
Extra Info: He isn't intoxicated by the mating season as much as others, and he is more of a loner. But he won't attack needlessly if it is that season, unlike many other males.
Title: Re: *~*The Half Breed*~* |OPEN|
Post by: *Wildfire* on October 26, 2011, 09:02:33 pm
Call him! xD  :D
Title: Re: *~*The Half Breed*~* |OPEN|
Post by: River-White-Wolf on October 26, 2011, 09:08:04 pm
oh, okay! I might submit both :3
i might send in an app or two later on
Title: Re: *~*The Half Breed*~* |OPEN|
Post by: *Wildfire* on October 26, 2011, 09:10:59 pm
I made a male before I even saw this article, and I think I'll add him in....
Title: Re: *~*The Half Breed*~* |OPEN|
Post by: *Wildfire* on October 26, 2011, 09:32:14 pm
Name: Kujua (means 'Know' in Swahili)
Age: 2 years
Gender: Male (bi)
Markings: Body- BackLeg stripes; Head- Tiger; Tail-Tiger
Personality: Kujua isn't like most males, he doesn't like hurting females and has wanted cub since forever, he hopes to have some soon. He also is semi-attracked to males, and tends to prefer them over females.
Picture:
 (coming)
Title: Re: *~*The Half Breed*~* |OPEN|
Post by: RockerGirl123 on October 26, 2011, 09:41:19 pm
Lol Nice. By the way, how do you get FeralHeart Plus or whatever it's called? Can you still go to the same places?
Title: Re: *~*The Half Breed*~* |OPEN|
Post by: River-White-Wolf on October 27, 2011, 12:14:43 am
Okay, I'll post an app for my female :)
Name-Lansura
Gender-Female
Age (For my character. Just clarifying.)- 47 years old (Adult)
Picture- http://nettleheart.deviantart.com/art/Lasuru-265468203 (http://nettleheart.deviantart.com/art/Lasuru-265468203) (Were allowed to put deviantart links, right?)
Personality- Fierce, rarely tolerates other Half-Breeds being around her, even in breeding season she chases off most males that come.
Title: Re: *~*The Half Breed*~* |OPEN|
Post by: *Wildfire* on October 27, 2011, 12:22:32 am
(Yeah you are :D ) @secrets IDK I still don't have it :(
Title: Re: *~*The Half Breed*~* |OPEN|
Post by: *Wildfire* on October 27, 2011, 12:40:12 am
(http://i44BannedImageSite/wu5gyh.png)

Kujua.
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Post by: aelitastar on October 27, 2011, 12:42:44 am
lol, i'll make one, got destracted, and here: This Is Halloween - Lyrics (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6jpIv7jJdA#) XD i love this song
Title: Re: *~*The Half Breed*~* |OPEN|
Post by: DeathHowl on October 28, 2011, 12:31:09 am
(http://i44BannedImageSite/wu5gyh.png)

Kujua.

e3o Uh Half-Breeds dont have head manes .-.

Though ill let this slide :3 Since you never read the article when you made him, Ill let this one in :)
Title: Re: *~*The Half Breed*~* |OPEN|
Post by: aelitastar on October 28, 2011, 01:02:27 am
*bangs head on desk* I. FORGOT. TO. MAKE. ELYON. AGAIN. XDDDD i am so stupid at times :3
Title: Re: *~*The Half Breed*~* |OPEN|
Post by: DeathHowl on October 28, 2011, 01:27:55 am
;3; you aint stupid. I get distracted alot sometimes XD
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Post by: aelitastar on October 28, 2011, 02:23:34 am
Name: Elyon
Age: older teen, almost adult
Gender: female
Markings: collar, eye stripe and dalmation for tail
Personality: usually cold and shy, she often keeps her distance, but would not tollerate a male taking her food or threatening her friends, cubs or herself. she would run away from most male's she met, and does not really like the idea of having to have a mate.
Picture: WILL GET ONE ONCE MY SCREENSHOT BUTTON WORKS
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Post by: RockerGirl123 on October 28, 2011, 08:25:33 pm
Name: Rosette
Age: 5 months
Gender: Female
Markings: Liger on all body parts, neon blue tail tip that will change to black after first mate
Personality: Brave, Innocent, Playful, Clever
Picture:
(http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/4862/screenshot1028201115100.png)
History: Rosette's parents were closer than most half-breeds are to their mates. Her father was murdered protecting the cub and his mate from another half-breed. Her mother died soon after of grief, leaving her young cub alone in the world. Rosette was too young to remember it.
Title: Re: *~*The Half Breed*~* |OPEN|
Post by: RockerGirl123 on October 28, 2011, 08:25:53 pm
That's my last character. ^.^
Title: Re: *~*The Half Breed*~* |OPEN|
Post by: DeathHowl on October 29, 2011, 07:53:12 am
o3o She looks awesome :3
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Post by: KarkatVantas on October 29, 2011, 09:20:38 am
((I suppose i could take a shot at this. Seem's interesting. Sorry i can't get a good picture yet. I am still new to this FH things. But here))

Name: Essqenoku (Ess, Noku, Nok, Eno, Qeno, or Sen @ n @ )
Age: 6 Solar sweeps (13 Years old)
Gender: Male (Bi)
Markings: Head = Tiger, Body = Tiger, Tail = Hellion (Pelt-Pure black, Underfur- Dark grey, Markings- light grey, Eyes- White blind slits )
Personality: Ess is very aggressive when he is bothered, He may act like all the other males, but he really isn't if you get to know the guy better. He doesn't partake into the abuse of female's, it is cruel in his opinion and just disgusting that any male would commit such acts of abuse, harrasment. He's a calm, short-tempered, fussy, sentimental, solitary Half-Breed. He tends to rest most of the time. He find's himself also finding intrest in other males, he tries to ignore it, but it bugs him slightly when he can take it off his mind/ or if your the certain male that has gotten under his skin. But he does like females too.
Picture: (( Cant provide atm i am sorry. ))
Title: Re: *~*The Half Breed*~* |OPEN|
Post by: DeathHowl on October 31, 2011, 10:36:29 am
he sounds awesome @3@ And ill help you to take a screenie of your charrie. When you go on FH, on your charrie, press Print Scrn, and it'll save in your screenshot folder in your FH folder :3 But to get a better screenie, press the Tab button, it gets rid of all the stuff around it.To get it back, just press it again :).Also, to put your screenshot in the forum, go to tinypic.com, and upload it there.When it has uploaded, take the second one  that says [IMG.]http://insertrandompichere[/img] Copy and paste it into your message :3.And it wont say insertrandompichere, ittl say whatever your pic says :3 Hope this helped.[/color]
Title: Re: *~*The Half Breed*~* |OPEN|
Post by: NightSlash on October 31, 2011, 10:28:01 pm
Name: Siri (Means Stealth In Swahilli)
Age: 2 years
Gender: Male (was gonna make a female but thought that there was too many =p)
Markings: Body: Tiger, Head: Ocelot, Tail: Ring High
Personality: Siri is a quiet but fierce half-breed male. he would do anything for the ones that he loved but would kill anyone who gets on the bad side of him. Siri takes no interest in fighting over territory and if another half-breeds challenges him Siri would usually just walk away and find another place.
Picture: file:///C:/FeralHeart/screenshots/screenshot_10312011_222348998.png
Title: Re: *~*The Half Breed*~* |OPEN|
Post by: *Wildfire* on November 01, 2011, 01:41:37 am
Last one: (He's  an excact replica of the male you posted (I thought it looked cool) I hope this is okay)

Name: Malaki
Age: 2.5-3 years
Gender: Male
Markings: Body-Ocelot, Head-Tiger, Tail-Hellion
Personality: Loud, crazy, doesn't listen to anyone even his mate, very rude, has no sweet side.
Picture: Coming
Title: Re: *~*The Half Breed*~* |OPEN|
Post by: DeathHowl on November 03, 2011, 09:17:51 pm
Name: Siri (Means Stealth In Swahilli)
Age: 2 years
Gender: Male (was gonna make a female but thought that there was too many =p)
Markings: Body: Tiger, Head: Ocelot, Tail: Ring High
Personality: Siri is a quiet but fierce half-breed male. he would do anything for the ones that he loved but would kill anyone who gets on the bad side of him. Siri takes no interest in fighting over territory and if another half-breeds challenges him Siri would usually just walk away and find another place.
Picture: file:///C:/FeralHeart/screenshots/screenshot_10312011_222348998.png

Um...You cant put the file code in the picture part.It wont come up on my comp.You'll have to upload it to DA or Tinypic :/ but he is accepted :3
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Post by: NightSlash on November 04, 2011, 02:11:03 am
Ty and sorry :/ ill try
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Post by: KarkatVantas on November 05, 2011, 07:15:02 am
(http://i42BannedImageSite/x4oo55.png)

((Here you are c: thank you for the help and thanks. But he isn't all that cool.))
Title: Re: *~*The Half Breed*~* |OPEN|
Post by: DeathHowl on November 05, 2011, 05:20:07 pm
@ Karkat he's like...off the charts awesome (http://i42BannedImageSite/rt3nyf.jpg)
@Everybody here Ill add everyones Half-Breeds when I get the chance.Im very busy atm :/
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Post by: NightSlash on November 05, 2011, 08:07:49 pm
Here's the link =p http://imgur.com/HTt12 (http://imgur.com/HTt12)
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Post by: KarkatVantas on November 06, 2011, 05:57:53 am
((@ kierra Hahahahaha!!! Well, thanks anyways I suppose. c: ))
Title: Re: *~*The Half Breed*~* |OPEN|
Post by: DeathHowl on November 10, 2011, 03:28:47 pm
Alright. Ive added everyones half-breeds to the list :3
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Post by: aelitastar on November 12, 2011, 11:45:52 pm
i didn't get put up o.o
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Post by: DeathHowl on November 14, 2011, 11:31:14 am
i didn't get put up o.o

o3o thats odd...Cuz I did o.O