Feral Heart
Game & Forum Discussion => Game Discussion => Topic started by: Grayshadow on April 08, 2012, 01:13:13 am
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The same height map is used for at least 2 maps. (Ancension island,Lonely Cave, and Bonfire Island). Kinda weird.
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Totally
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The users demanded more maps, so Kov added them, yes.. they aren't very detailed but what do you expect?
The members didn't give him any time to be creative.
There were tons of threads in the Game Ideas board, where users wrote that they want new maps. So he speed-made the maps.
With no time to make new height maps or masks. He will replace the old maps when he has the time.(:
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Lazy and rushed work honestly, and personally I find these maps far out of line and should've instead stayed out of the game since they didn't help that much or provide something that the game actually needs.
I had a long text about the maps in the game here, but I do not think it would help much right now. Just that pretty much the majority of the maps is a rushed job with no real enthusiasm put into them(Acension and skysrim is an exception to me). Most maps should be replaced in the future honestly cause they feel like dead space instead of an actual living and fun world that should be possible to create with the tools given.
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People also say that Acsension Island is the most unfair map because of how you can't fly to the top but I find it pretty fun jumping down and restarting. it gives me a challenge and something to do. I agree the maps should have stayed out but the people got what they wanted! More maps! Lazy maps. I understand clearly why Kov didn't do much work on the maps because of the childish behavior of the members wanting more maps. Some people just don't understand that Kov has other things to do and not just sit at his computer or laptop all day, working on maps for the greedy people.
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In my opinion, it serves people right that the maps aren't perfectly detailed with new height maps.
Seriously? Do we have an actual right to make Kovu make us more maps? Nay, because not a single one of us has paid to play this game. Kovu was extremely kind in giving this game out free of charge, and we really shouldn't push our luck like we do. Seeing as he gets no money out of this, obviously he will have a job and lots of other things to do. It's not fair on him if we complain about the game and insist he make more maps.
In truth, I think he shouldn't have put up the maps; either that or taken as long as he liked making them and ignoring the impatient people pestering him.
What might've been a better idea, though, is if there's a map competition or something, and then Kovu could have just added the winning maps into the game. That would save time and Kovu having to make maps.
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With all right we should be able to get decent maps.
One of the inpatient people pestering could be seen as me since I confronted him about the maps in the game when hearing countless of people talking about how unhappy they were about this, but also knowing how much the maps play a role when it comes to keeping a player engaged to the game itself. There is no thought going into the FeralHeart world and the maps until lately when it was changed around slightly, but even so it's still rather effort less.
This might sound selfish but just to get a point across I'm getting rather tired of hearing this, pushing our luck and that kov is extremely busy to do anything. He made the game and he might not how that much time, this is something we should keep in mind, but he's not alone having a life.. I do not have the know-how and brains to make a game like FH, but me and others spend many hours into taking care of the whole community, and we have a server master that take care of the server and site at the same time as he takes care of his life. We can not insist he makes more maps, but we can insist we are allowed to help, which I kindly got a clarification of just a few months ago regarding this and things are shaping up.
It's all about how interested and how much you want to help others, I used to work full time myself but still I managed to log on and deal with whatever was needed from my part +some more. Being busy is a legit excuse but not forever. Nothing were done about the maps until a few months back, and the only reason for this is because it's a 1 way road, nothing will happen unless we go and show and explain what needs to be done, still a hard nut to crack however.
A map competition would not work as far as I concern since communication is needed, something we here seem solitary responsible for since we do not get that much back. The reason why we haven't got any proper map updates is because no one have really tried to make it happen. Another thing is that just adding maps into the game would not solve some of the problems.
We had a talk with kov though, and things that moved forward are now still in progress when it comes to this, so right now I personally got no bigger right to demand any maps for good reasons, but we all deserve something better and hopefully we will get this if everything goes smoothly. This is what I myself and others personally work and aim for around here.
So what would proper maps bring the game and community? It would bring interest and give excitement among us all. It would bring will needed changes and steps forward even if it was experimenting. We'd actually improve server performance if it was done in a great way and actually get less rule breakers(I can explain if it's not understandable). So pretty much make the game better from both the players and the mods standpoint, and if not even that, wanting to do something about things pointed out.
It might serve some people right if we tilt and bend the situation when it comes to the maps, but some did not deserve this at all and actually deserve better.
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Of course I understand that the staff are working a lot harder than Kovu, but even so, we can't demand he make maps for us. It's like going up to an artist and demanding they paint pictures and give them to you for free.
Sure, he made the game and definitely should be a lot more active on the forums and progress of it, but he might not even want to work on the game any further. I know I'm no better.
I'm very loyal to things I enjoy, such as FeralHeart, but if I made a site when I was, say, 12, and people were still joining it when I was 20 and asking me to do things and be active, I wouldn't even want to respond (exaggerated example).
Honestly, I just don't think it's fair that we push him to make us more stuff. True, he has a huge responsibility for this game, but maybe he doesn't even /want/ that responsibility.
This is just out of thought, seeing as I've no idea what Kovu's like, but maybe he doesn't want the responsibility of the whole game and making hundreds of people happy constantly. If he shut down FeralHeart completely, he'd get even more hate e-mails and spam.
I'm not saying that he's busier than our staff; the admins and mods do loads for this game; way more than Kovu's done, but I don't think it's fair on him that we push him to keep working on this game, because he might just want to forget about FeralHeart.
Or, as some people say, he's just lazy. o.e
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If he's tired of it, he should pass it off. There's too much put into this community for him to just "give up" while people are willing to assist him.
However, I think if this truly was the case he would have did so by now.
And while I see both points of Red's and Necro's points, I'm leaning more towards Red's, simply because it seems there are certain members who are seemingly putting out more effort to further the game than Kov.
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Honestly doesn't cut if you ask me.
He doesn't have to be the one taking the extra miles in this case, if things are just explained properly and the goal of what needs to be put into place is clear others can do the majority of the work map wise. The mod FeralHeart+ is a fine example of how easy it is to put maps into the game and this was done by working around things into the center.
I feel like I'm sounding rude already, I'd try to more things out if this wasn't the case, but Kov doesn't have to be spending lots of time into the maps and never had to be if that's not understandable already. He's actually the one who decides about the maps and who is allowed to help and what is good enough and what is not. He's not forced to make any map, it's truthfully far from.
Without going onto details, I just have a hard time understanding some of the actions done for the game when the choice seemed to be clear. I'm going to point out here that communication is needed but also some will to make things happen, maybe we all are to blame for that, but without it, FH will not move anywhere.
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To cloudfeesh
The thing is that we need our Kov, he's the only one that knows his game and is able to make some some changes actually happen. Without him we are not much since he's the one that decide the majority of the part whether or not FeralHeart should move forward.
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Aye, I realized how anti-Kov that had sounded and edited while you were typing your response.
I think the point being made here, by all parties is that maps added into the original Feral Heart game is wanted by some, pressed by others, and all ultimately in the hands of Kov, who of which isn't taking all the steps forward to move forward. And while players do not have the right to /demand/ new maps, asking and throwing ideas out never hurt.
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Aye.. This thread doesn't really give the greatest of vibes and I'm probably to blame for that. But people should get some points across honestly, or at least be able to see the bigger picture.
I do believe that maps will get added if things go well in the future so this subject we trailed onto is a bit meh since work is done to get it resolved or at least parts of it.
In ways this thread could be wrong, but at the same time I feel like people should read and understand this, if not kov, WE ourselves are the ones deciding what will happen, and nothing will happen if we just sit quiet pretending we are perfectly happy.
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Eh, I completely understand your point, and I do agree with most of it, but I still don't think it's fair that we ask Kovu to make more maps.
He could hand the game over to someone else, but they might ruin it completely, and, like Red said, they wouldn't know how to work the game and thus probably wouldn't progress either.
We definitely do need Kovu to be more active, but seriously, asking him to make tonnes and tonnes of things probably won't help. Maybe have one person ask him to make one thing at a time, maybe once a month or so if the users are asking for things. <-- Stupid idea.
There's no end to this argument. Kovu's unlikely to become more active or progress with the game for either the reasons I've put forward, or some other reasons of his own.
Ultimately, I do think he should do at least a little to help this game, seeing as he /made/ it, but we shouldn't push our luck, as I said earlier, and ask him to do countless things, because everyone gets fed up eventually.
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No one really said kov should make maps in this thread though and no one is pushing their luck as far as I know.
Personally I think it has been surprisingly quiet at times when it comes to this subject. There is no extreme work that is needed for kov if someone does the majority of the mapping, you are focusing too much on the whole situation about kov being the one that must make these maps, as mentioned earlier he's far from forced doing so since there's those capable of doing this exact task and willing to as well.
You are really correct, but it's not only kov that will get fed up, but users in general or those trying to help with the community and game will give up as well, as long as the game is some sort of motion everything will work out eventually. But really, I can see changes to the maps in not a too distant future, lets see what happens.
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That's sort of what I meant by the map competition. If we had one, say, once every six months and added the three winning maps to the game, then Kovu wouldn't have to make maps; just put them into the game. This could also be something for all the users to look forwards to, whether it be competing or just wanting to explore the new maps.
Or, y'know, just get a few willing people to make a couple of maps a year and send them to Kovu to test and put them in the game...
I understand that it's not just Kovu that might be fed up, but I'm not sure there's a way that will entirely satisfy everyone here.
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I like the idea of a map competition and the people who want more maps can get them by either making it themselves or have Kov put them in as more places to explore which the people want dearly but, Kov has other things to do than create maps for everyone. I agree that there should be a map competition and whichever ones Kov chooses he puts them into the game for the people who wanted more maps so badly, gets them.
I like the maps that are already in the game, they are actually pretty well designed and even though I have explored them to each corner, I don't complain about there not being enough maps. At least there are quite a few maps to explore and hang out in and also I think people ask for the maps is because they are too lazy to download maps made by users or just don't give a bit for how hard it can be to create maps.
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You guys make it sound more easy than it actually is.
There's reasons why things like official map packs got in a separate download, reasons why the maps are big and empty. But if you honestly think these maps are well designed and good looking you would get a heart attack by playing on a decent custom map.
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That's Red's way of saying to go download his map pack, in subliminal message-style.
I agree with the competition idea. Again, there's the issue of getting Kov to add them in. So that creates difficulties with the whole idea.
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I would expect a custom to be much better compared to the default maps already in the game, the maps are quite empty but they are at least something and nothing at all. Even if they have no chance against a well designed custom. I am not really praising the default maps just saying how they are at least a map.
I know that there would be an issue of that and it has it's reasons...
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Well, the whole point in there being a map competition type thing is so that Kovu doesn't have to do as much work. All he'd have to do is add the winning maps to the game. Really, he should be able to do that much.
To be blunt, if he refuses even to do /that/, then he really shouldn't be totally in charge of the whole game. And yes, in case anybody decides to tell me that I'm not seeing the entire, difficult picture, alright, I'm probably not. Even so, I do understand how difficult it would be for any of this to really actually happen, but my point is that it may be easier to have other, willing people make the maps, and then have Kovu just add them to the game. I also do understand how hard it'd be to even get Kovu to do that, but only Kovu can choose when he wants to update the game, so there's nothing that can be done there.
This wouldn't only be less work for Kovu; there'd be excitement over the actual competition and the idea of having your map be a default one, as well as people who are just excited about having new maps, /and/ it would settle the constant need for new maps.
Obviously, this is still unlikely to ever happen, 'tis just a suggestion.
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Yes i did notice it. it also happens in Atlantis and the Lonely cave. the only unic maps are the Tunnel, plains, cape to distant worlds.