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Title: Criticizing Others Roleplay Style: How Far is Too Far?
Post by: Lady_Alizarin on January 06, 2013, 05:48:19 am
Title: Re: Criticizing Others Roleplay Style: How Far is Too Far?
Post by: Tenturo on January 06, 2013, 05:54:10 am
Yes I believe some people go a little too far when criticizing other people Literacy. And yes I have actually. I was in an rp:Me: The she-wolf slowly put her headdown on the cold muddy ground. She sighed, her sides heaving.
RP owner: Excuse me! She-wolf doesn't have a hiefin and our ground isn't muddy! Its grassy! You are out of here stupid!
Everyone else was cheering for the RP owner... I was ticked off at this.
Title: Re: Criticizing Others Roleplay Style: How Far is Too Far?
Post by: moonshimmer100 on January 06, 2013, 06:42:29 am
people go so far with that... i can never find an active rp now because i find mostly literate people are active and they type such simple actions in such a long complicated posts like i almost joined a mapped wolf pack once and one of thier biggest rules was that the simplest actions like rolling over had to be at least three sentences long with no mistakes and proper punctuation.. i'm bad at proper punctuation and capitals so on i can spell but most people get angry at me for not capitalizing I or the beginning of a sentence and so on. I play fh to get away from judgemental people irl but lately i have been finding fh start to become just the same way
Title: Re: Criticizing Others Roleplay Style: How Far is Too Far?
Post by: LiesUnderOath on January 06, 2013, 06:57:35 am
Quote from: chewy on January 06, 2013, 06:42:29 am
I play fh to get away from judgemental people irl but lately i have been finding fh start to become just the same way
Quote from: LadyAlizarin on January 06, 2013, 05:48:19 am
Let's face it, people, no one is 100% perfect. When it comes to typing on a computer, every now and then a typo will happen. It's no big deal, right? But there are some who just blow it out of proportion by saying, "Your grammar is horrible". Do you think that goes a little too far?

I hate it how "illiteracy" has become like some big, reprehensible thing in FH.

Someone misses some punctuation, or some capitalization, and they get their butts chewed off by their group, who then mention it in General. Then General becomes a big lecturing ground for other little things involving grammar. I especially hate when someone who made a mistake is compared to a much younger child, like a six year old.
"Oh, my son is six, and he could type better than you." Not only is that a big lie, but it's degrading to whoever you've just said that to. It's unneccesary. Instead of ripping into them for a small mistake, you could ignore it...or give some advice, if you must...and just move on with the roleplay. There you go, it's over and done with in a matter of seconds, and no one is upset over it. -_-

I don't give a rats behind how you type, or what symbols you use when roleplaying. I couldn't care less how 'grammatically correct' your wording is, as long as I can read it enough to give a decent reply.
Title: Re: Criticizing Others Roleplay Style: How Far is Too Far?
Post by: Wolflover87 on January 06, 2013, 07:12:53 am
Completely 100% agreeable with this one. Some people just make the tiniest typo and instantly they become known as an illiterate. I mean, as you stated that no one is 100% perfect, why should someone be known as that if they make a few mistakes here and there? The leaders of the group are bound to make a mistake while typing but they don't get stuck with the title since it's "theirs" and they can say who's rejected and who's not. But cmon, seriously? I know they have complete authority but at least they should be a little considerate of others' mistakes. I would also like to point out the fact that if someone has a typing mistake in their name or such, they don't have the right knowledge to be in the rp! It just sickens me sometimes that people can't take others' feeling into their own minds and say "What if it were me right now? I know I wouldn't want to have my feeling crushed like this.." and they think about their decision before labeling someone as something as silly as an illiterate.
Title: Re: Criticizing Others Roleplay Style: How Far is Too Far?
Post by: zRichtofen on January 06, 2013, 07:29:55 am
I mean I am mostly well with literatecy, but those examples are too far ._. I think there should be something to stop this o.e
Title: Re: Criticizing Others Roleplay Style: How Far is Too Far?
Post by: SoaringAway on January 06, 2013, 07:42:15 am
The bottom is possibly a rant filled with vulgar language and viewer discretion is advised.

In regards of what is "too far" or "too little" in roleplaying is up to you.

As you've stated before LadyFaylix, the choice of booting out of member due to their faults of typing (as most disregard that not everyone is a flawless -Removed by moderator-) is only up to the one in charge and solely not that but reading the past posts spun by Woofkita and chewy, it has come to my assumption and conclusion that being literate in Feralheart is nearly the equivalent of being within a cult.

I have actually ranted towards a user  earlier on throughout the month (and I am deeply ashamed of doing it) towards the fact of "literary" and was took the path of "if she wants to be treated as a literate and mature figure, she will be." Even throughout the bitter and hideous beginning of the post, I did bring this up:
Quote from: SoaringAway
The ability to read is learned and FeralHearts users display understanding of written words or they wouldn't be able to respond or understand what they're even typing.

The only matter we must rally against is the arrogance that you brew up in yourself and the bitterness that you've drawn into that post. We are a community of different individuals regardless of age, sex, or ethnicity, but we do not value each other by how we spell but the message we give across and our own thoughts that aren't so one-sided.

The style, grammar, diction, or sentence structures we implement into our responses to the roleplay is something which we're comfortable with.  To literally push someone out of a group they enjoy just because of how they present themselves with their posts is mundane and uncivil. Unfortunately, some users will have a tendency of wanting literate roleplays and might  decline some if they've overstep and broke the rule of literary multiple times. However, this isn't the over-the-top examples you've given but more towards trying to create a choesive story with others (this especially happens on the forums.)




//Might edit more; I seriously need to.//
(Sources:

http://www.feral-heart.com/index.php?option=com_jfusion&Itemid=2&jfile=index.php&topic=29809.0 (http://www.feral-heart.com/index.php?option=com_jfusion&Itemid=2&jfile=index.php&topic=29809.0) )
Title: Re: Criticizing Others Roleplay Style: How Far is Too Far?
Post by: LordSuragaha on January 06, 2013, 07:53:22 am
Quote from: chewy on January 06, 2013, 06:42:29 am
I play fh to get away from judgemental people irl but lately i have been finding fh start to become just the same way

First off I'm really sorry to hear that so many of you have gone through this kind of ridiculous judgment on this game. It's a real shame that there are people in this community that can make things so unpleasant for others especially when like Chewy stated most of us come here to escape our reality and just to have fun.

I personally find this whole illiterate/literate roleplay drama utterly absurd & out of control. The people who run around correcting and criticizing other peoples' grammar are real snobs. I don't know who elected these select individuals as Grammar Gods but the discrimination better come to an end. I have said this time and time before that this is a GAME not school. Users did not come on here to get a grammar or English lesson, they came here to play and have a good time. We are not getting graded on the content of our conversations over chat.

I want to emphasize the point that Lady Ali stated above that I have often said myself which is that as long as you know what the person is saying that's all that should matter not the fine details inbetween since people can be what some consider "illiterate" for a number of valid reasons. Truth is no one is perfect and none of us have perfect grammar or rp skills. The focus of RPing should not be about the level of literacy of an individual but rather the group learning from one another how to bring a story to life while working together with their differences in RP style & grammar. In my eyes a true literate person would have an adaptable vocabulary & grammar that does not limit to conventional restrictions and is flexible to handle the few bumps that come with RPing with a so called "illiterate" RPer. If you can't do that then don't call yourself or your group literate.
Title: Re: Criticizing Others Roleplay Style: How Far is Too Far?
Post by: Nerochrome on January 06, 2013, 09:04:50 am
I understand what you guys are saying. When I join a group I always ask if an RP Sample is required. Most of the time I'm rejected because I forget the ' in don't or something like that. I'm an Alpha of a literate group who asks for RP samples and I honestly don't care if they spell something wrong. I spell stuff wrong all the time! Though when I think about it... I realize where they picky people are going. I used to be the same way on my other account but then it got someone's feeling hurt and I stopped being so picky. When I RP, I look to see if they are trying so that's all that matters to me. I also see a lot of people using action marks in their posts while they RP and the other members of the pack will snap at them for their style of RP. I considerate not fair and highly rude. You wanted to know when you have gone to far? I say it's when the other player can't get online anymore or worse, doesn't want to get online because of this constant struggle with the more advanced roleplayers. And believe me when I tell ya this, when I first joined I didn't know what literate was and I was rejected even by the "illiterate" groups. And honestly I still think I'm un-literate.
Title: Re: Criticizing Others Roleplay Style: How Far is Too Far?
Post by: SteampunkWolfdog on January 06, 2013, 04:21:19 pm
I can be quite picky when it comes to deciding who I roleplay with. I'll roleplay with literate and semi-literate users, and by that I mean people who type in full sentences, use grammar and punctuation, and type words properly instead of short-hand. But I'm not so picky that if someone makes a typo or something I have a major go at them; I appreciate that everyone has their own RP style, and everyone, even the 'best' roleplayers, make mistakes like typos, missing words out or forgetting or put a comma somewhere. We're only human!

I also respect illiterate roleplayers. Even though I might not want to RP with them, I don't hate them for being illiterate. There are many reasons why a person might be illiterate, I'll name some: young age (like primary school age), learning difficulties, lack of experience, and English not being their first language. I think people who verbally abuse illiterate people should be more considerate, because, unless the person specifically told you, "Sorry, I'm illiterate because [reason]," you don't know for sure why that person isn't quite on your level. We all started off illiterate at some point, I'm sure of that.

Thankfully, I've never been beaten up on my roleplaying style, but I have been corrected one or two times. And I don't mind that, I like critisism so that I can learn from the mistakes I make, learn new vocabulary and stuff. I'm 18, passed GCSEs and A levels, and still my English isn't perfect. It is apparently one of the hardest languages to learn and I  think that should also been taken into consideration before you decide to critisise someone.
Title: Re: Criticizing Others Roleplay Style: How Far is Too Far?
Post by: BuioUmbra on January 06, 2013, 07:04:08 pm
Hmm i nearly didn't pass a rp sample when i typed two lines, they said i didn't type enough and i didn't put in enough detail. Really i don't mind who i rp with as long as they don't swear all the time and i can understand them. Judging people is just.. i don't know the right word for it maybe unfair would work? Everyone has their own unique style of rping. I'm not even sure what level of literacy i'm at, i'm still in primary school.  
Title: Re: Criticizing Others Roleplay Style: How Far is Too Far?
Post by: Nemena on January 06, 2013, 07:29:16 pm
It's really bizarre how cruel people can be to those they consider illiterate- especially since they're often younger players. Some constructive, polite criticism can be helpful, but being outright abusive is most certainly a no-no. If the 'illterates' enjoy roleplay, good for them! I'll respond in paragraph format to whatever's thrown at me when I'm publicly roleplaying, regardless of whether they're capable of writing a cohesive sentence. I most certainly prefer literate roleplay- but would reply if approached by someone 'illiterate', as much as I struggle to understand chat-speak. We're all humans behind the keyboard; there's simply no need to be overly critical and harsh to anyone. If anything, the one being cruel is the one I add to my block-list, not the apparent illiterate; I often pop to the latter's defence when I catch such shenanigans in the chat.

For my own group, while we do soley accept those who write in paragraphs (regardless of whether they use -'s or *'s: it's the content that matters), we aren't rude to those who we simply can't accept (usually single lines of chat-speak- typos are managable!). Even then, we always leave an invitation open if they wish to improve, and willingly offer advice if they ask for it. It's not really a case of  ridiculing; it's more-so that it just wouldn't work with an ocean of fluent paragraphs being interrupted by a singe "hi im in heat an1 want 2 mate???". There's plenty of other groups that'd accept them and offer the type of roleplay they're seeking!

Edit: Funnily enough, I just left one of my main character's groups moments ago for being harsh about an illiterate's roleplaying ability. ;_;
Title: Re: Criticizing Others Roleplay Style: How Far is Too Far?
Post by: RisingLife on January 07, 2013, 04:59:51 am
Looking at all these replies it reminds me just like the real world, where there is always those people who do not let things go. The girl who always gives you that look for crushing on her boyfriend, or that guy who always closes your locker on 'accident' because you are a nerd. That group of friends who always giggles when you walk by because of what you are wearing or the paper thrown at your head for answering the wrong questions. I realize I might be overly dramatic with my comparisons but that is what all these stories remind me of.

Quote from: LadyAlizarin on January 06, 2013, 05:48:19 am


The other person would do it a different way. I'm thinking, "So what if my friend's style is different from yours? You can still read it, can't you?" She kept going on, and on, and on, about how her RP style was wrong, so I finally said, "If you don't like it, you don't have to RP with us." She got angry and said, "FINE! You guys are idiots! I'm going to find a mapped RP where people really know how to RP!" and then she left the group. Good ridance.  ::)  

This is the girl angry at you for crushing on her boyfriend. A small Leicester of nothing, and it gets blown out of proportion because THAT girl is a drama queen. So what if your friend uses "-"? So what if YOU don't do it that way? This is a free, open game were creativity can flow and people SHOULD accept each others differences.

Quote from: Woofkita on January 06, 2013, 05:54:10 am
Me: The she-wolf slowly put her headdown on the cold muddy ground. She sighed, her sides heaving.
RP owner: Excuse me! She-wolf doesn't have a hiefin and our ground isn't muddy! Its grassy! You are out of here stupid!
Everyone else was cheering for the RP owner...

This is the guy always shutting your locker because your a nerd. They don't care about your personality and they don't care a out your feelings. One bad move and your labled and tossed away. JUST because a person makes ONE mistake does NOT give you the right to label them and ruin their self-esteem. And even if you are not the one breaking them down and calling them names, it is still not right for you to cheer or agree. You cannot judge someone on one action, but rather than their actions in a whole.

Quote from: LordSuragaha on January 06, 2013, 07:53:22 am
The people who run around correcting and criticizing other peoples' grammar are real snobs. I don't know who elected these select individuals as Grammar Gods but the discrimination better come to an end.

Now these are the girls who giggle when you walk by because of what you wear. They think of themselves as perfect, flawless grammer and just FH's gift upon us. So much so that they think they have a RIGHT to correct us or laugh. Not thinking about your feelings at all, they tear you down and point out every wrong thing about you and just leave. This is HORRIBLE and WRONG and no one has the right to do that.

Quote from: BuioUmbra on January 06, 2013, 07:04:08 pm
Hmm i nearly didn't pass a rp sample when i typed two lines, they said i didn't type enough and i didn't put in enough detail.
Quote from: Nerochrome on January 06, 2013, 09:04:50 am
When I join a group I always ask if an RP Sample is required. Most of the time I'm rejected because I forget the ' in don't or something like that.
Quote from: ?LadyFaylix on January 06, 2013, 06:57:35 am

Someone misses some punctuation, or some capitalization, and they get their butts chewed off by their group, who then mention it in General. Then General becomes a big lecturing ground for other little things involving grammer [/color]

And here are the people throwing things at the back of your head for answering a question wrong. They take the advantage to hit you while your weak, magnifying your mess up into a crime. Its the little things they see and do not forgive, and its the little things that they base you off of. It sickens me to think people do that.

All of these replies have gone way too far into peoples feelings and what is accepted to be civil. If I ever RP with someone not too literate, ill give them, if they accept, CONSTRUCTIVE criticism on how the could fix it. I don't embarrass them or yell at them I try to help. Any. Beyond that I consider too far and harsh. Also if I do see anyone being harsh, you can bet on you pantyhoes ill be right there defending the person being attacked

That is all.
Title: Re: Criticizing Others Roleplay Style: How Far is Too Far?
Post by: CloudFish on January 08, 2013, 06:50:42 pm
this is one of the reasons i think feral heart comes across as such a hostile environment, simply because of the community given definitions of literate and illiterate that have sprung up amongst the users themselves and become a battleground for people to judge someone so loosely.

it applies to both roleplay, and not, people automatically assume the worst of you if you aren't typing like you would for a paper back in school. the truth is that a persons capability or mental know how can not be measured by simply viewing how they were to type, or even their knowledge of the game.

so often i've seen brand new members being trashed and put down because of their means of typing. its saddening, especially when they're trying their hardest to be included.

the way general chat hops all over someone who misspells a word is sickening, in a way that its sad to think people feel so highly of themselves that they have to convert everyone to that of a perfect well spoken individual.

while i can understand roleplays wanting to have the feral heart definition of a "literate" member, which for the record, is quite different from what was provided for us by the OTP, i don't understand the hostility some of them show to users when they don't meet those standards.

as someone who advertises for a "literate" roleplay, i hate having to say not to people. especially when i know theyre trying. more often then not, i accept them regardless of their total grasp on punctuation and capitalization, because as i see it, they can only get better. if they have the drive to story tell through their words and their words are understandable, why not let them join? unless i plan on quoting them directly from the game, or screenshotting to post somewhere, i hardly see the reason for them not to capitalize that first sentence. maybe they're too lazy, maybe they're too tired, who's to say or know.

this often is frowned upon by certain members, but in the way i see it, its much better than to simply call them stupid and brush them off with the wave of your hand.
Title: Re: Criticizing Others Roleplay Style: How Far is Too Far?
Post by: DimensionGal on January 08, 2013, 07:35:03 pm
I don't mean to toot my own horn, but this rp guide I made (http://the-lily-has-luv.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d4aj5x8) has been floating around the FH community for a while now. I slightly touch on the topic of literacy, but I don't think it's exactly fair to call-out people who want literate rps.

As far as literacy is concerned, I have participated in almost every literacy level of rp known on FH; however I am probably going to be bias towards "literate groups" because it's an issue of communication. On the surface it looks like people aren't going to want to rp with somebody they can barely understand... But for me, it's avoiding someone who godmods. Yes, godmods. You know, that kind of player where their character is FREAKING PAWFECT and has thuper thpeshul awethum powahzz?1!! I find a lot of people want to go to literate rps because that's a huge drop-off rate in mate-beggars and godmods.

Using what's said in the title, there's a difference between criticizing Style and Literacy. Literacy is above. Style is things like Scripting or Paragraphs or Liners. Scripting can be just as literate as Paragraphs, and sometimes One-liners contain a hell of a lot more than a flowery multi-post.
Title: Re: Criticizing Others Roleplay Style: How Far is Too Far?
Post by: SoulRevenge on January 08, 2013, 09:49:12 pm
As Soren mentioned, how far 'too far' is up to the user that's apparantly getting chewed out by others.


I'll admit-- sometimes I'm guilty or pointing out 'u's and fixing the slightest typo (The slightest typo things happen extremely often when I'm around friends- usually it's when we're joking about 8eing 'Grammar Nazis' though, so I don't really count it, derp ouo).

So, I'm most defiantly /not/ perfectly clean when it comes to this.

8ut I don't do it /constantly/.

And as Flo8 has also mentioned, praticly all of us start out illiterate at one point- and I tend to point this out, when another user is 8asicly murdering someone else 8ecause they have a rather different way of typing-- this includes times when people use
'quirks'
 (Mostly Homestucks that aren't arrogant fools and most defiantly don't deserve this chew-out in this case---)
and may8e add stuff to their words that aren't precisely neccesary nor make all that sense
(Mostly speaking of people that have the tendacy of adding words exp: 'Yarp!" to the end of their sentences as some sort of closing. And Yes, I /have/ seen people 8la88er a8out this, 8elieveitornot)

It's like when someone chews another person out for doing something that 'they just did'-- Sure, he/she might of not just done it, 8ut they were 'guilty' of 8eing the 'oh-so-looked-down-upon' 'illiterate' at one time.

And I'm reffering to 'OOC Chat' in here- 8ecause, 8elieve or not, some people rage on others when they aren't even roleplaying.



Now, regarding roleplay.


The same thing is of issue as what was stated a8ove- 8ut 'literates' have reasons for wishing to roleplay with only other 'literates'.

Now, I'm too lazy to just re-word it (I'd pro8aly just explain it worse anyway), So read Kerrigan's post a8ove this---




Good, yourdonereading /Shotdead.




Now, since you read it--, don't think of literates as '8ad and simply rude' 8ecause, all of them aren't, and alot of them have a reason for not roleplaying with 'illiterates' that /does not/ make them 8ad and rude (As said in Kerrigan's Post). 8ecause they aren't~ Infact, quite a8it of them can 8e a8out the same as illiterates. Illiterates aren't always disrespectul, 8ad and rude either. Alot of them aren't.
Title: Re: Criticizing Others Roleplay Style: How Far is Too Far?
Post by: WarriorMoo on January 18, 2013, 12:40:40 am
Quote from: Kerrigan on January 08, 2013, 07:35:03 pm
I don't mean to toot my own horn, but this rp guide I made (http://the-lily-has-luv.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d4aj5x8) has been floating around the FH community for a while now. I slightly touch on the topic of literacy, but I don't think it's exactly fair to call-out people who want literate rps.

As far as literacy is concerned, I have participated in almost every literacy level of rp known on FH; however I am probably going to be bias towards "literate groups" because it's an issue of communication. On the surface it looks like people aren't going to want to rp with somebody they can barely understand... But for me, it's avoiding someone who godmods. Yes, godmods. You know, that kind of player where their character is FREAKING PAWFECT and has thuper thpeshul awethum powahzz?1!! I find a lot of people want to go to literate rps because that's a huge drop-off rate in mate-beggars and godmods.

Using what's said in the title, there's a difference between criticizing Style and Literacy. Literacy is above. Style is things like Scripting or Paragraphs or Liners. Scripting can be just as literate as Paragraphs, and sometimes One-liners contain a hell of a lot more than a flowery multi-post.

Have a cookie, Kerri.
These days, I rarely visit the public maps to roleplay.
Mainly because I just roleplay with friends.

And in all honesty, no, I don't really prefer to roleplay with newer members. In the rare case that I do, I usually ignore grammar mistakes, (I make them all the time, dang it.) but rather give them tips to improve.
However, the vibe I'm getting from a lot of posts is that it seems that "literate" roleplayers are all the bad guys here.
Well first off, calling literates bad guys is just the same as calling illiterates savages. It's just as wrong. We're equal here. Some people just don't realize it, whatever they might be.

Anyways, Most of us, if not all of us, are guilty of making mistakes, both major and minor, as we roleplay.
Of course, it's good to point out mistakes from time to time, not harshly but in a kind, appropriate manner.
Otherwise, those who want to improve won't improve.
But if someone is happy with how they roleplay, then the other roleplayer should respect that, whether it's a single line or a whole paragraph.
Title: Re: Criticizing Others Roleplay Style: How Far is Too Far?
Post by: HavenUnderEarth on January 18, 2013, 02:50:48 am
OMFG, you guys. You have no idea how much I've seen this in the past few weeks.
I'm a Bonfire resident, born and raised. I try to do my best to be nice to everyone, even the illiterates. I can't say the same for some of my friends/RP partners.
I really, really hate when my friends get pissed at an illiterate cause they RP attacked(without powerplaying, mind you) or approached, but then a literate comes up and does the same thing and they don't get upset at all. It used to really shock me that the friends that were /so near and dear to my heart/, the friends I've known personally for over a year, did this, but now, it just really dissapoints me.
Like, for example, I was hanging out with my friend earlier today. She(won't say her name, sorry dudes)was on her stallion, which wasn't really a horse---part of a science experiment to wipe out predators and he was really just a robotic bomb or something. Original characters, yee.
So, this tiger comes up and pushes him, not really attacks. Just rams into, like starting an attack to see if they'll respond.
She got /so/ pissed and ranted how her character would 'have already blown his leg off' and would be no use to eat and she was going on and on about how the guy was a robot and this poor tiger wasn't upset. He was like 'ooh, you're a robot? That's so cool! i wish i came up with that!' And she got even more pissed at his compliment and said something about Portal and I was just staring at her like '...calm down, dude, he's complimenting you'
I then apologised to the tiger for her bad behavior. I've had to apologise for my friends a lot lately.
It really crushes me when I see literates, who are /supposed to know better/, doing this to the newbies/illiterates. Like somebody said before, you have no idea why they're not 'uber-literate' like you, so you have /no right at all/ to be so cruel to them!
I used to do this, too, and it really ashames me that I did. But at least I learned and stopped doing this, unlike some others.
I mean, it's not all the literates I know that are like this. Some of my closer friends are /really nice/ to everyone. It makes me feel all warm inside when I see them doing good. :3
I'm glad you guys brought up the topic. I haven't had a good rant in a while. ;3
Title: Re: Criticizing Others Roleplay Style: How Far is Too Far?
Post by: Dragonite on January 18, 2013, 06:47:33 pm
Title: Re: Criticizing Others Roleplay Style: How Far is Too Far?
Post by: shootmedown on January 19, 2013, 04:59:14 pm
 I totally agree. Sometimes, I see a lion/wolf using -'s and making some typos in Flourite. When he/she goes to a pride/pack, they ask or a sample. They put the sample in Local, and I can see a few typos and -'s. They decline the sample and send them away, saying they're just not literate enough and they never will be. When I see that happen, I invite them into my pride/pack and say to ignore them. It's just rude to say somebody isn't literate when they gave it their best shot. It's really not that kind and mannered, but it CAN make sense. I'm not supporting it, but sometimes people just feel uncomfortable around illiterate roleplayers, sometimes it happens to me, sadly.
Title: Re: Criticizing Others Roleplay Style: How Far is Too Far?
Post by: Lady_Alizarin on January 23, 2013, 01:36:05 am
After reading all of these comments, it has left me asking one question.... "What are these so-called "literate" roleplayers trying to prove?" and I'm asking these self-proclaimed literate roleplayers who take the time to harshly judge/criticize/bash other people's roleplaying skills and typo errors.
What I mean is, are they trying to make some kind of impression? And if so, to whom? Us? The guy next to them? The world? To the player who points out that there is something wrong with my RP skills and says that theirs is better..."Should I be impressed?" I would be impressed if you weren't bashing me for my mistakes.

I have another example story to share regarding this topic.
One time I was at stone bridge advertising and recruiting new members into my warrior RP. All the advertising I was doing on General was really paying off. I got many whispers from many different people, asking me all kinds of questions about the RP or asking to join! I was trying to keep up with all these whisper messages and answer so many other questions in local. Suddenly, one random warrior cat who was seeking a literate RP typed out a very long 3 sentence introduction toward my character. I can't remember what he said, but it went something like this...
Warrior Cat: -The tom sat himself on the stone, with his tail curled around his legs. He looked up at the group of clan cats that was forming infront of him. He spotted the leader and spoke up. "Hello there, good sir" he mewed "Having a lovely evening, are we?"  
PharaohStar: -He turned his head to the tom cat "Greetings," he mewed-
Warrior Cat: (Really? Greetings is all you have to say? This RP of your isn't even close to being literate if all you can type is one sentence. How pathetic. I'm out of here... sheesh! -.-)
PharaohStar: -_-
Then one of the cats said to me in group chat: Don't mind him, he's just really picky about RPs. I know that guy, he is one of my friends.
You don't say? Was I supposed to be impressed by that big, long introduction he gave me? So he can type some nicely written sentences... big whoopie. -_- That didn't give him the right to go bashing me and the group like that. I would have typed a longer greeting sentence back at him, BUT I was really busy answering 4 whispers all at once, sending out invites, and taking care of other business. Besides that, typing 3-4 long sentences for an introduction takes up WAY too much time, especially when you have your hands full with other stuff.  
Title: Re: Criticizing Others Roleplay Style: How Far is Too Far?
Post by: CloudFish on January 23, 2013, 04:56:29 pm
i think the issue here is not even just a problem that stems to just roleplay but in all the entire community. the fact is even if you don't use perfect grammar and capitalization in out of character chat people automatically assume you're unintelligent or seven.

in response to what a few of the users said on the second page, it's not "literates" being the bad guys. its users being the bad guys. i'm a perfectly literate roleplayer, however more often than not i see people turned down and straight out rudely rejected from a group because of the way they type.

the other day while i was recruiting for my roleplay, a lioness cub named "sophie f" (just like it was) and started asking me about my group. her typing was typo filled and she had a tendency of forgetting basic grammar structures.  it was then another user whispered me and said: "Wow, I can't believe you let illiterates into your RP x3 "

this angered me for a few reasons, basically because this user was judging the cublet who was honestly curious and willing to try to join a roleplay, and secondly because they were making assumptions about my own standards and criticizing them.

i told her what i did with my group was my own business and not hers, and that it would be best for her to keep it that way.

users have just become rude to one another, plain and simple, when it comes to the "literate vs illiterate" deal. not only are they saying this things when recruiting, but even plainly in general chat.

"KILL ALL THE ILLITERATES"

"There are so many noobs down at SB right now".

it goes on and on. recently i hopped on a character with my name not capitalized, just to see how people would treat my character. While the majority of most of my encounters were users rejecting my lion out front because i wasn't capitalizing my i's and crossing my t's, there /were/ the cases of people who allowed them in, literate people.

so its not all literates are bad, no, its there are the mix of both "literate" and "illiterate" that are becoming so hostile towards one another that roleplaying is becoming something hard to do or even hard to find where its a welcoming thing and only because of the "ideas" that circulate through this community based on how users present themselves

Title: Re: Criticizing Others Roleplay Style: How Far is Too Far?
Post by: Narkeen on January 24, 2013, 07:23:18 am
Actually, yes. This has happened to me, but in the opposing way.

"Robin padded over to the pond, her paws leaving small prints upon the grass. She sat upon the pond's edge and gazed up at the sky, sky darkened hue speckled with dots..."

Player: Uh, hey. Grammar Nazi. Why do you do this?
Me: I'm sorry, you want me to do chat-speak?
Player: No, I mean. You're going overboard.
Me: Well I think it's appropriate. -.- *leaves abruptly*

There is no middle ground with some people.