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I saw a thread like this on another site, but didn't see one on this one.
The title pretty much speaks for itself. What are your thoughts on hunting and/or fishing? I'm talking about out in real life, not in the game. Are you an outdoors kind of person that likes to hunt/fish or are you against it?
My oppinion: I see nothing wrong with people hunting animals or going out and fishing. It's a very common sport/hobby/past-time out here where I live. It's pretty much a social norm in the community I live in. I have a few friends who like to go out and hunt for quails, or pheasants since there is a high population here. Some like to hunt for feral hogs, and some like to hunt for deer. I find fishing to be a fun sport, but I never catch them to eat them. After I catch a fish, I let it go.
HOWEVER even though I see nothing wrong with hunting/fishing, I am against any form of illegal hunting/fishing or poaching.
So what are your thoughts? I'm just curious here. :-\ When commenting, try not to turn this into a big nasty arguement. Lets all be mature and respect each others' opinions. Everyone has different opinions about something.
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My opinion on hunting is it's okay, as long as the people hunting the animals will find use of the dead animal.
Making a coat or skinning it for decoration isn't my favorite use of the animal, but it's better than throwing it away.
Hunting for just the sake of killing something I think is a little unfair to the animals. They can't fight back, and even though they aren't as smart as humans are they can still feel pain just as well as we can.
But I don't think anyone just be forced to stop hunting just because other people might think badly of it. c:
Fishing is a very enjoyable hobby. Letting the fish go is what I prefer, but eating the fish is also great.
As long as the fish aren't harmed too much before you let them I'm completely okay with fishing.
Fishing is a nice bonding experience with nature, or the people you go fishing with. :3
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In before:
PPL SHUDNT HUNT WULFZ. THEY R ENDANJURD.
But anyway, I only view hunting as wrong when people just hunt animals for sport/fun. To score big on that stag with the giant set of antlers and so on. Killing an animal just so they can be all "HURR I HUNTD DIS GIANT BUCK LOOKIT."
Hunting is fine if the hunter is actually going to use the parts of an animal for food and other resources, so the animal doesnt go to waste. If they need it to survive.
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I use to fish as a child with my father. Though, we never caught anything edible, only plants and occasional objects like cardboard boxes. It's a hobby of mine, though I don't go often due to the lack of water where I live.
I have two friends, they both hunt rabbit. I've never been hunting myself, but I imagine it fun from what my friends describe to me.
But I'm against illegal/sport hunting and poaching.
C:
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I personally do not like hunting or fishing, I don't like seeing how happy people are when something is dying or being beaten to death. I see no enjoyment in getting a hook through my face or a bullet through my ribs. I can easily say I'm not fond of what the animal has to go through to be worn as a fancy coat or to be nailed to a wall and collect dust.
I don't mind people hunting for food though, food is important and it doesn't let the animal go to waste. Hunting illegally is definitely wrong, I'm well against it. Hunting for game or "sport" I'm against also. In fact, I don't get why it's called sport when the animal is doing more than the hunter, you could say the hunter cheats. If you want real sport put the gun down and that way it can easily be "fair game".
I admit, I've fished before and I enjoyed it. It wasn't because I wanted to but I didn't have a choice. I threw the fish back in the water when no one was looking because they would've been piled up on each other in a plastic bag in a hot car with little water. Everyone else kept fishing though so we had fish for dinner that day.
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I'd prefer hunters use the animal for something other than trophy, but either way I just can't see anything wrong with it. Sometimes it indirectly (as in, the hunter isnt TRYING to do this) helps with population control. I really don't understand why people feel bad for said animals being hunted.They aren't beaten or tortured to death while the hunter laughs maniacally like in movies or TV or whatever. A single bullet to the head or ribs is a quick, painless death!
Fishing? Fishing is fun. My step-dad fishes all the time and brings stuff home. Really, there's not much you can do with fishing that makes it "bad" compared to your guy's view on hunting. You either throw the fish back in the water, or take it home and eat it LOL.
People are WAY too emotional about the POOR WITTLE AMINALZ being hunted or fished..
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I respect hunters because not only do their hunting licenses pay for a lot of my country's national parks, but they also have a much better understanding of the "Circle of Life" and what it means to take a part in it. Also, hunting for your meat is much more humane and environmentally friendly than buying it from a grocery store. The quarry has a fair chance of escape, the death is relatively swift, the animal lived as it was meant to live in the wild, and the meat doesn't have all those nasty chemicals and fillers that grocery store meat has.
TLDR: I respect responsible hunters and responsible hunting.
Poachers, however, are a whole different story.
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I really don't understand why people feel bad for said animals being hunted.They aren't beaten or tortured to death while the hunter laughs maniacally like in movies or TV or whatever. A single bullet to the head or ribs is a quick, painless death!
Depends what you're hunting, not everyone kills with a gun. Fur seal pups for example are beaten to death with large hammers, sharks/whales/dolphins are shot with harpoons and dragged onto a boat then are killed. Plus a shot in the ribs is not an instant death, just an easy area to bring the animal down to finish the job. Quick kills are actually quite rare since most hunters severely injure the animal and fail to kill them on the spot. Most animals killed are adults meaning their young are left orphaned and defenseless if left at a den. Not all hunters are so kind to their targets. Some guys were hunting/trapping wild pigs for game, the poor pig had it's trotters sawed off while it was still alive. Yes, most hunters will try and kill animals quickly, others can be cruel. Those are all good reasons why you or anyone should feel bad for those animals.
I enjoy fishing and I prefer it over hunting since you can't release an animal after shooting it. Fish can be thrown back, I just don't enjoy the sight of a hook going through it's mouth and it struggling to breathe.
People are WAY too emotional about the POOR WITTLE AMINALZ being hunted or fished..
I disagree wit dat wittle statement of yours. The majority of people who actually get too emotional over hunting/fishing is quite small compared the people who enjoy killing animals. I don't like the idea of hunting but I don't cry or get depressed every time I hear someone just killed something. If I saw something being killed for no reason or for a laugh then yes, I'd be a little upset. Some boys at school beat a baby bird to death with a mini shovel, they picked it up by it's mangled neck and threw it at some girls before cracking a laugh. That made tears come to my eyes, I don't see why you wouldn't want to have sympathy for that baby bird.
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Quick kills are actually quite rare since most hunters severely injure the animal and fail to kill them on the spot.
It's still a much less painful way to go than being literally being eaten alive by a pride of lions or a pack of wolves. There's rarely such a thing as a 'clean kill' in the wild. Most large carnivores, like lions and wolves, subdue their prey by suffocating or exhausting it. When the prey is finally too tired to fight back (which is usually hours after the chase and stand-off), the predators start eating it, whether the prey is still alive or not. But the predators don't care, and why should they? They're animals. The concepts of mercy and pity are completely foreign to them.
Because we humans are sentient and we feel pity and sometimes even empathy for the animals we hunt, we at least have the capacity to make an active effort to make the kill as quick and painless as possible.
In fact, if you actually watch hunting videos on YouTube and such, the killing process is MUCH quicker than you would think. The quarry may struggle for a few seconds after the impact, but they die pretty quickly.
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Depends what you're hunting, not everyone kills with a gun. Fur seal pups for example are beaten to death with large hammers, sharks/whales/dolphins are shot with harpoons and dragged onto a boat then are killed.
Some guys were hunting/trapping wild pigs for game, the poor pig had it's trotters sawed off while it was still alive.
Some boys at school beat a baby bird to death with a mini shovel, they picked it up by it's mangled neck and threw it at some girls before cracking a laugh. That made tears come to my eyes, I don't see why you wouldn't want to have sympathy for that baby bird.
That's animal abuse, not hunting @ the thing with the baby bird.
Not all hunters are like that @ the pig statement.
I don't exactly agree with the way marine life such as, yes, sharks or whales or dolphins. I don't care if they're being hunted, I don't exactly like how they only use one part such as a fin when it comes to sharks. Even so, yeah, they're harpooned and then dragged onto a boat, but they aren't even in pain for that long. It's just.. harpoon the animal, drag it onto boat, kill it quickly.
Seal clubbing it kind of.. meh. I don't see why they should club it to death instead of just shooting it in the head.
Also another thing. People need to stop assuming hunters do what they do as if they hate animals or enjoy beating things to death or whatever. Go ahead and flame me, but I'm pro-hunting.
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Also another thing. People need to stop assuming hunters do what they do as if they hate animals or enjoy beating things to death or whatever. Go ahead and flame me, but I'm pro-hunting.
I would like to remind you that this thread is for everyone's opinions.
Don't openly ask for an argument on something that is meant for everyone to express their opinions on the subject, please.
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I don't exactly like how they only use one part such as a fin when it comes to sharks. Even so, yeah, they're harpooned and then dragged onto a boat, but they aren't even in pain for that long. It's just.. harpoon the animal, drag it onto boat, kill it quickly.
I absolutely hate shark finning with every fiber of my being. Not only is it wasteful, it is also bloody, pointless, and cruel. It's one thing to hunt a non-endangered species (like a deer) with a gun, but it's entirely another to pluck a net-entangled shark out of the water, hack off it's fins while it thrashes in pain, then throw the still-living dismembered shark back into the water to get eaten (again, while it's still alive) by other fish.
A single wolf gets shot in Alaska and the "animal-rights" nuts are up in arms. 73 million sharks are needlessly slaughtered every year, and nobody cares. I'm apologize for ranting like this, but shark finning is something I feel very strongly about.
A disclaimer, though. I'm not against the hunting/fishing of sharks as long as it is tightly regulated and done in as humane a way as possible. Shark attacks by great whites are becoming a real problem in Austrailia. What they should do over there is take the sharks off of their list of protected species and start having a (again, tightly regulated) "hunting season" of sorts.
But the unrestricted slaughter of sharks for their fins should be put under the label of "poaching".
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Also another thing. People need to stop assuming hunters do what they do as if they hate animals or enjoy beating things to death or whatever. Go ahead and flame me, but I'm pro-hunting.
I would like to remind you that this thread is for everyone's opinions.
Don't openly ask for an argument on something that is meant for everyone to express their opinions on the subject, please.
I never said/implied people can't express opinions. I'm stating that it's the most annoying thing on the planet when people think hunters are EVIL!!!!11.
Allow me to share my opinion too, thank you very much.
MORE ON-TOPIC, I wish they used more of the sharks.. seriously. That meat and such could be used for something. Why NOT just use everything while you're at it, you know? And that annoys me too, how no-one really cares much about sharks being finned. Why? Because they aren't "cute" or "majestic" or whatever..? :C
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I wish they used more of the sharks.. seriously. That meat and such could be used for something. Why NOT just use everything while you're at it, you know? And that annoys me too, how no-one really cares much about sharks being finned. Why? Because they aren't "cute" or "majestic" or whatever..? :C
There's a steakhouse in my area that sells shark steak. I'm a little leary of it because I'm not sure how it was harvested or whether or not it is an endangered species, but I appreciate that they are actually using parts of the animal other than just the fins.
And the hypocrisy in the so called "animal-lovers" community just disgusts me. YouTube is where it is the most obvious and condensed. This image, I think, explains it very well.
(http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/239/0/9/09174783c39523f861bfc16728c6f471-d482hjp.png)
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I personally do not like hunters. Fishers are slightly different, and I don't have a problem unless they are over fishing or taking sharks and only using the fins (which is just cruel). In my opinion, I just don't see the point of going out and killing an animal for fun. Why kill an animal who has done nothing wrong? What do humans get out of it? Skin? I do not appreciate people who wear fur and support people who skin animals. This sounds lame, but what if humans were to start killing each other for sport? Obviously that'd be wrong and there would be horrible consequences, but it's not wrong to kill animals? I guess it's not as bad if people were to actually use the whole animal and not just use it as a trophy, and only if the animal was not in dangered what so ever. Though, I still disapprove.
This probably didn't make any sense, my apologies, I'm tired. xD
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I'm stating that it's the most annoying thing on the planet when people think hunters are EVIL!!!!11.
Honestly... I think there are more things on the planet to be annoyed at then another person's view on someone who hunts for whatever reason; my opinion.
I seriously am well against shark finning, they have their fins cut off while they're alive. The least they can do is kill it, nothing should go through such acts. What I heard though is that the fins added to the shark fin soup does not add any flavour at all, the fins only add texture to the soup. There's gotta be a more kinder thing to use just to change a soup's texture.
And that annoys me too, how no-one really cares much about sharks being finned. Why? Because they aren't "cute" or "majestic" or whatever..? :C
And the hypocrisy in the so called "animal-lovers" community just disgusts me. YouTube is where it is the most obvious and condensed. This image, I think, explains it very well.
(http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/239/0/9/09174783c39523f861bfc16728c6f471-d482hjp.png)
Yup, it's pretty upsetting that only cute animals get respect and attention from most people. Just because something isn't good looking doesn't mean it's a terrible creature. I bet if cockroaches looked more like a kitten/puppy a lot of people would stop torturing/killing them.
In my opinion, I just don't see the point of going out and killing an animal for fun. Why kill an animal who has done nothing wrong? What do humans get out of it? Skin? I do not appreciate people who wear fur and support people who skin animals. This sounds lame, but what if humans were to start killing each other for sport? Obviously that'd be wrong and there would be horrible consequences, but it's not wrong to kill animals?
I agree with you there, I do not approve of hunting for fancy handbags, to put something dead on a wall or for just fun. I don't see your post as lame at all. I approve of hunting for food. Nearly everything in the world hunts other animals for food so it's necessary and I'm fine with it. The time when I won't mind people hunting for clothing is if skin is the only option they have, people who don't live in large cities or towns. Not in any wealthy place.
Yes, what if humans were hunted for game? I made some artwork of humans as an animal while living in Bali. People there bet on roosters and make them fight each other, the one that lives is the winner. I drew two humans killing each other while two large roosters towered over them and cheered, it changed a few people's view on that . "As long as no humans are killed then harming something else is fine." That's what I commonly hear and see around the place -.-
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"Hunting humans for sport" already exists. It's called serial killing, and it is quite frowned upon in most societies (not to mention illegal).
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I personally do not like hunters. Fishers are slightly different, and I don't have a problem unless they are over fishing or taking sharks and only using the fins (which is just cruel). In my opinion, I just don't see the point of going out and killing an animal for fun. Why kill an animal who has done nothing wrong? What do humans get out of it? Skin? I do not appreciate people who wear fur and support people who skin animals. This sounds lame, but what if humans were to start killing each other for sport? Obviously that'd be wrong and there would be horrible consequences, but it's not wrong to kill animals? I guess it's not as bad if people were to actually use the whole animal and not just use it as a trophy, and only if the animal was not in dangered what so ever. Though, I still disapprove.
This probably didn't make any sense, my apologies, I'm tired. xD
Likely been explained before, not ALL hunters hunt for 'fun' or just for 'trophy'. Though I know what you're saying, trophy hunting is kind of pointless.
It's not a matter of killing because it's 'done something wrong' , it's a matter of eating it or using the fur for something. And once again, it's not like the deer or fox or wolf being hunted is tortured to death, lol.
Why do lions kill gazelle who have done nothing wrong? Because they're hungry.
Why do humans kill chickens/cows who have done nothing wrong? Because they're hungry.
Sure, hunting is different than farming for food in many ways, but in some cases, same idea. This case being hunting for food!
I hate trophy hunting, not because it's cruel or.. whatever, because the entire animal is going to waste. All they do is mount the head on a wall instead of eating it or something. e_e
Rarely do animals get hunted to extinction, cause there are these things called hunting seasons. Unless people start poaching, animal populations won't get too low.
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I have the worst terrible aim and can only hook a good tree with my fishing line but I absolutely love hunting and fishing. Just being out with nature with your friend or your father or another family member of some sort...it's like some form of bonding and it's better than being cooped up inside all the time.
Since I can't fish or hunt I like to go canoeing.
These days trophy hunters usually keep the pelt, head, and/or antlers, and the rest of it is used as food most of the time. A good deal of people I've met in my county that hunt deer were farmers or hunted when they were young, so they ALWAYS use the entire animal. Heck the one I see most often only keeps the skin and skulls.
I find it stupid that so many people are like "I don't agree with hunting if the animals suffer". Dude...even if people didn't hunt animals they still WOULD suffer, from disease, from famine, injury. Many natural ways for an animal to die in the wild are not pleasant and last over a long period of time. I find hunting far more humane as people aim for spots that would end the animal quickly or would have them bleed out rather fast. :B It sure as heck is better than dying of rabies.
There are several aspects of hunting that I don't agree with but I have eaten my share of deer and shark alike. I'd rather see ways of how to improve the system rather than watch people gripe about it 24/7.
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Since I can't fish or hunt I like to go canoeing.
These days trophy hunters usually keep the pelt, head, and/or antlers, and the rest of it is used as food most of the time. A good deal of people I've met in my county that hunt deer were farmers or hunted when they were young, so they ALWAYS use the entire animal. Heck the one I see most often only keeps the skin and skulls.
I find it stupid that so many people are like "I don't agree with hunting if the animals suffer". Dude...even if people didn't hunt animals they still WOULD suffer, from disease, from famine, injury. Many natural ways for an animal to die in the wild are not pleasant and last over a long period of time. I find hunting far more humane as people aim for spots that would end the animal quickly or would have them bleed out rather fast. :B It sure as heck is better than dying of rabies.
There are several aspects of hunting that I don't agree with but I have eaten my share of deer and shark alike. I'd rather see ways of how to improve the system rather than watch people gripe about it 24/7.
I definatly agree with you on this one, Shusuke. Whenever my dad, grandfater, uncles, neighbors, friends, ect. ever hunted down a deer or a feral hog they would NEVER let the whole animal go to waste. They would keep the head for a trophey, while the rest would go to a butcher to be cut up and get ready for cooking. We would make a variety of dishes with the deer meat; tacos, stew, roast, jerky, deer meat chili, BBQ, etc. I was never a big fan of deer meat since its so tough and funny tasting to me.... unless you cook it with bacon, then it starts to taste even better. :P
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I have never gone hunting in my life.
And fishing is boring.
I find running through the woods like an idiot to be a far more enjoyable sport, seeing that the only thing you have the chance of killing or harming is grass, moss, leaves, etc. . .
But yeah, I guess I don't like hunting or have ever tried it because I don't want to kill anything. I'm not saying that we shouldn't hunt or anything- hell, no hunting means no meat, end of it, but I suppose I was always a bit too lazy to try it out too.
But, like Shusake said, if my dad goes hutning or something we never let the whole animal waste: Well, we usually do not get the head mounded, seeing that such a thing done constantly would most likely cost a lot of money, but you get the basic idea. We actually use the animal, so it's death isn't entirely in vain- it didn't just die to die, and serve no purpose afterwards.
As for 'trophy-hunting'.
Again, the animal serves some sort of purpose: I'm sure that although their orginal intentions was to kill the animal for a trophy, that they did something with the meat. Now, if it we're talking about a flippin' skunk here, or an owl; then no. You shouldn't kill those, especially when you are not going to eat them. Trophies are not a neccesity of life, and really if anyone dies because "They'll look nice on the wall" they might aswell not even die, because that does not even feed the predators in this case!
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I hunt/fish all the time! Especially possums because they're pests. Death is a very healthy part of life but we must be very responsible.
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1. Animals do not deserve to die! No one does!
2. I buy fish from stores because it hurts them.
Pleasure to talk to you.
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...how...does buying fish from stores...hurt them? O_o
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-le edit- Hooks go deep into there skin. That's how it hurts them.
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Death is a natural part of life. Overpopulation isn't good.
While it may hurt the animal for a second before it instantly gets killed, hey, stuff happens. So maybe the hunter has to shoot the deer twice. Maybe the fish needs to be killed AFTER being hooked.
It's only in pain for a really short while. Once again.. things happen.
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It not nice to kill them though.
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So it's ok for a wolf to kill a deer for food.
But it's NOT ok for a HUMAN to kill a deer for food?
I'll have you guys know, biologically speaking, we humans are animals too .u.
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Yes I know that I can understand my cat Abbie and she helps me clean my room. If you do not believe it you do not have to at all. Thanks for chatting with me!
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Uh, you're welcome, I guess? <_> I don't know where this is going.
I don't know if this can be classified as hunting, but I don't really like the way animals are treated in factories. Obviously I love meat, I'll never go vegan, but seriously? These animals are usually kept in tiny cages full of their own crap, and pumped with chemicals to have more meat or babies or eggs or something.
It's weird, how we're all eating said meat/eggs that's pumped with chemicals. I doubt it's healthy to eat these animals seeing the condition they're in, even if the meat is cleaned. I bet some of it isn't fully cleaned, if companies have enough money, they'll get away with anything.
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2. I buy fish from stores because it hurts them.
Was I the only one that had trouble not laughing at this [I don't mean to be rude, but still ...x'D]
People still need to net or hook the fish you get in stores. Hooks are nowhere near as painful as being say...bitten in half by another fish [I've fished far too many pet fish out of tanks due to this phenomenon...mainly cyclids].
I'd rather have a healthy population of deer than one slowly dying of a disease or famine due to overpopulation, thank you. Same with fish.
I hunt/fish all the time! Especially possums because they're pests. Death is a very healthy part of life but we must be very responsible.
I actually try to leave possums alone. They're a pest themselves but they oddly keep away other pests. When my uncle had some possums in his neighborhood one year, all the mice that invaded his neighborhood were gone o 3 o
And it is true that while companies can get away with stuff if they're rich enough, when it comes to food, they'll probably less than likely to take that risk. I'd rather hunt my fish wild and buy local milk and eggs like I do instead of getting farmed fish or animals bred for nothing but to be food. Main reason is because it's actually healthier and it makes it more satisfying to eat the food when it's from a responsible person in the community.
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Yay someone agrees! ;)
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I love hunting and fishing.
Do I do it for the fun of it? no..
I mean, who does not like some deer jerky and some good old yummy catfish for supper!
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I hunt, and I fish, so I'm hardly against both of those activities - however, it all depends on the animal(s) that you're hunting, and the way in which you're hunting them.
I fish as a hobby, though I dislike the idea of fishing to kill. I much prefer recording the sizes of the fish and proceeding to release them - I'm a very hands-on person, so releasing a fish is almost as fun as reeling it in. Eating the animal gives me no pleasure, especially since I don't particularly enjoy fish.
However, I'm against over-fishing and fishing for rare species (particularly if the goal is to eat them) but then again, who wouldn't be? Usually, I'd place it under natural selection/survival of the fittest, but there are too many humans in the world to include them in this. The way humans mass-hunt animals, fish in particular, is also unfair. There is little skill involved with catching fish in colossal net.
Now, I'll move on to hunting. I, myself, have never hunted with a gun or a bow, but I have hunted with birds of prey (falconry). It's a far fairer, and more natural, way to hunt an animal - when you use a gun, it's impossible for the target to avoid it. Of course, it takes skill to precisely aim a gun at an animal, but it seriously is a weapon too deadly for any creature to take on. Using a bow is a more difficult method, but it's fairer on the animal since it takes more skill to use it, even if it doesn't give such a quick death.
I find hunting with falcons to be more entertaining as well. You get to see a predator in action, and they also benefit from hunting with you. It's a win-win situation, and the sides are even. If the prey is too skilled and the bird loses it, then the prey is rewarded with keeping it's life and is able to pass on those superior genes to the next generation. But, if the bird is better than it's prey, then that inferior animal doesn't get the chance to carry on it's lineage.
Anyway, that's my opinion put. I don't think there's anything wrong with hunting or fishing if it's done within limits - I am highly against over-exploitation and unfair methods of hunting, it screws the system and leads to produce weaker, more vulnerable animals. Humans, unlike a lot of predators (wolves, for example), do not bother to observe their potential prey and will, with the power of guns, shoot any animal that happens to run within the weapon's range, and that animal could have been the strongest of the herd.
People are too ignorant.
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Humans, unlike a lot of predators (wolves, for example), do not bother to observe their potential prey and will, with the power of guns, shoot any animal that happens to run within the weapon's range, and that animal could have been the strongest of the herd.
In my area hunters don't shoot willy nilly at animals. There are many deer that members in my community let go because they're experienced enough to know if the deer is old or young, healthy or sick.
Sick deer meat can't always be used, so shooting a healthy buck is better if the entire deer is to be processed and then eaten. :V If humans had stronger immune systems like dogs and cats, then it'd be completely different and we'd be able to target sicker animals, but we don't, so it's the healthier animals people tend to go after [not just for trophies or whatever].
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I'm looking at these comments and I'm so happy to see that (so far) people are debating this touchy subject with relative civility. Usually topics like this (especially on forums for games of this type) get heated very fast.
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I'd have to say that almost fairly neutral about the whole topic. I've fished before and it was fun, and we would always let them go after we caught them and measured them. However I never really enjoyed hooking a fish, because I always imagined it would hurt a lot to get a hook through the mouth. We also caught a snapping turtle by accident and I felt really bad for it :C (It was tricky buy we managed to get the hook out!)
As for hunting, I think it's fine (apart from poaching of course which is just awful). I don't really know more about that subject to really have an opinion on it.
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In my area hunters don't shoot willy nilly at animals. There are many deer that members in my community let go because they're experienced enough to know if the deer is old or young, healthy or sick.
Sick deer meat can't always be used, so shooting a healthy buck is better if the entire deer is to be processed and then eaten. :V If humans had stronger immune systems like dogs and cats, then it'd be completely different and we'd be able to target sicker animals, but we don't, so it's the healthier animals people tend to go after [not just for trophies or whatever].
You have a valid point - I should have said "don't usually bother". Well, it was one in the morning.
Whilst some hunters may examine, say, a deer before they let fire, nobody can accurately select a perfect target out of an entire herd and benefit the species as well as wolves do. And, as you say, our immune systems aren't excellent so we cannot risk taking the unhealthiest animal if we're hunting for food. I do not see what is wrong with raising, and then killing, captive deer instead of taking the risk with the wild population if you're not living in the wilderness.
However, if it's a cull, I doubt many of the hunters will bother observe the deer before they shoot them. Also, in trophy-hunting, people will usually target the most impressive individuals - it's definitely the worst 'reason' to hunt for.
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I do not see what is wrong with raising, and then killing, captive deer instead of taking the risk with the wild population if you're not living in the wilderness.
If you want the answer to that, just look at farmed animals we eat now, such as species of fish and chicken. They can be pumped with drugs and are bred to be food, and nothing more. It really is sad when you think about it.
Offshore fish farms [as an example] threaten the environment because the fish are kept in small spaces and don't allow the fish to roam. They can catch diseases and illnesses by being crammed into those net pens or tanks in facilities on shore.
The food that captive fish are fed can hold toxins that can cause cancer. Offshore farms also can cause algae to grow in the areas where they're kept and may lead to harm the wild animals in the area.
For wild fish the only real downside is the fear of overfishing, and how barbaric some fishing techniques are to ocean fish. If a system that focuses on those things were to be brought about in a way that would satisfy people's needs [both the consumer and the fishermen] then we wouldn't have to worry at all.
All in all, though, I wouldn't want to know what deer would go through if they were captive bred for food. I really, really don't.
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I wasn't aiming at a massive set-up like the ones used for chickens, cows, fish, pigs and such. I was referring to a small to medium-sized group of deer bred for food. I should have been more specific. From what I see in the butchers and supermarkets today, the demand for venison isn't particularly high, so I doubt people are going to move to farming deer like they do with many domestic animals.
Pumping the animals with drugs isn't necessary or compulsory either, it's just done (mostly) to improve the growth rate.
Also, regarding fish, bacteria and disease spreads easier in water than on land.
We don't live in a perfect world, I'm aware of that. Not everyone is going to care about the environment and how to farm sensibly, by a long shot. There are too many humans in the world and a lot have lost their ability to care for themselves, thus the amount of poorly-kept animals packed together and spat out by the millions in packets every day.
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I don't see the point in raising everything we eat. It's just taking up more space that can be left alone as wilderness. I'd rather explore forest trails than see areas containing live animals that I'll see in a market at some point.
Hunting an animal is a part of being in nature, whether it's with a bow, a bird, or with a gun. People don't go camping like they used to where I live, it's all nature walks on closed off areas near research swamps and stuff. It's not fun, nor is it teaching anyone about nature on the level that being out in the wilderness like that can.
Hunting is a part of nature, be it cheetahs or alligators or bats or whatever animal that eats other animals to survive. I feel that raising animals in captivity and neglecting the fact that humans are animals too and simply 'raising' everything is stupid. We raise enough animals as is, and I personally don't want to see anymore.
Hunting is a part of human culture; people hunt everywhere. I don't want it to become something that's risky dangerous and only found in a third world country. People I know who hunt learned valuable life lessons on those trips.
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I'm looking at these comments and I'm so happy to see that (so far) people are debating this touchy subject with relative civility. Usually topics like this (especially on forums for games of this type) get heated very fast.
This is Feral Heart. We may be a game that is based one wild animals, but that doesn't mean we got to go at each others throats like wild animals over opinions. You're right, if this topic were shared on any other website forums, you would see so much hostility and uncivility between bloggers it ain't even funny. ::)
Beside, we all must be civil on this site or else you can expect this from a mod...
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Anywho... so far the posts on this topic have been interesting to read. Everyone has their different opinions, and that's perfectly okay.
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Unfortunately, if animals were not raised in captivity for food and instead wild animals were hunted, it would cause even more problems. I wish it could be changed, but I think our system is too far gone.
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Yes I know that I can understand my cat Abbie and she helps me clean my room. If you do not believe it you do not have to at all. Thanks for chatting with me!
Yeah... um what? o_o
Sorry if I sound confused, but what does that have to do with this topic?
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I find it wrong.
I have always prefered animals over people because my family had been known for raising animals of all sorts and sizes.
You would not believe how many orphaned fawns I had raised because they had lost their mothers to hunting that includes bears,Fox,and even the occasional waterfowl hatchlings.
It's not fair to orphan any animal just because you think it would look cool on your wall or it's your favorite thing to do.
Theres a fine line between nature and humans and we need to respect that.
Now if it was for food or population I understand but what about our Population?
We have plenty of humans but if a bear kills a person they think it's a crime but if someone kills a bear they think it's ok?
Im sorry If I drew away from the topic but no I don't think it's right.
At least to hunt females,I feel for the males to but they don't provide what a mother can provide for them
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I find it wrong.
I have always prefered animals over people because my family had been known for raising animals of all sorts and sizes.
You would not believe how many orphaned fawns I had raised because they had lost their mothers to hunting that includes bears,Fox,and even the occasional waterfowl hatchlings.
It's not fair to orphan any animal just because you think it would look cool on your wall or it's your favorite thing to do.
Theres a fine line between nature and humans and we need to respect that.
Now if it was for food or population I understand but what about our Population?
We have plenty of humans but if a bear kills a person they think it's a crime but if someone kills a bear they think it's ok?
Im sorry If I drew away from the topic but no I don't think it's right.
At least to hunt females,I feel for the males to but they don't provide what a mother can provide for them
I think what you're talking about (killing mother animals and leaving orphaned babies) is poaching, not hunting. The two are very different things.
Hunting is the legal killing of a non-endangered animal during the proper hunting season, allowing the maintenance of a healthy population, and for us humans to play our part in the Circle of Life. Poaching is the mindless slaughter of animals regardless of species or season because LOL KILLING STUFF IS FUN AND I MAKE A LOT OF MONEY DERP.
It makes me rather sad that poachers and hunters are often lumped together like this. :(
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I would love to go hunting! But I have only been fishing. I'm not an outdoors person, but I love to do this!
So yes I'm ok with Hunting and fishing, I actually like it myself! There's plenty of animals and fish in the world!
Plus seeing a dead animal makes me hungry, I don't know why. Just don't make me eat eyeballs.
Hunting Rocks!
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I respect certain hunting, but fishing, I respect a lot.
I'd like fishing rather than hunting, truly. As long as the animal itself is used for food, most likely, not money or anything stupid.
Illegal hunting, however is a different story. I like fishing more, truly.
Animals hunting other animals is what I respect, truly.
I don't have much to say about hunting. Fishing seems nice, though.
I want animals to be hunted for food, warmth if needed, and stuff like that. Not money or something stupid like one small part of the creature.
Animals being hunted, is just what I think someone should have a reason to be doing.
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Hunting I don't like nor respect.
My neighbor thought my cat was a bunny and killed it because he was a hunter. Dx
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I respect hunting if it is for food and survival purposes only, and only if you use all of the animal for something other than clothes (Gawsh I hate fur clothes). I hate sport-hunting and payed-hunting with a fiery rage DX
Fishing... eheh... same as hunting. I personally lurve fish! It is very high in my list of favorite foods and I think that one day I want to become one of those half-vegetarian people that still eats fish. :3
That's awful, Oreos. ;-; That right there is the reason I have mixed feelings about hunters. I totally see your point of view, and, if that happened to me, I'd completely share your opinion. Plus, I hate hunters who hunt bunnies. I despise hunters of birds and bunnies. And, Erin, I respect animals more than people as well, when it comes to... many things. A lot of them probably have a lot more common sense (saying this because I noticed this in cats, wolves, owls, etc), have a better respect of hunting. They don't just target the first thing they see and kill it off, even if there are some people who can tell sick from strong, young from old. They still shoot the first strong and healthy animal they see.
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I LOVE hunting. But my family actually eats what I kill.
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Hunting:
Im fine with shooting deer and such. It keeps the population under control, which keeps ders in the woods, not on the sides of road (To many like that now a days). For the other forms of hunting/trapping, I reall have little opinion.
Fishing:
Fishing needs to be done in SCRICT moderation. Preferably catch and release unless you really need that fish.
As for whaling and such, for the most Im against it.
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I absolutely adore fishing, fly fishing in particular. Even if it means waking up at four in the morning to drive up a mountain to a lonely river. I love standing in/by the water, and throwing back a pole to watch the line land in the water in front of me. There's just something about catching a fish that I find extremely satisfying. I've only recently started keeping what I catch, and learned how to clean the fish as well. I can honestly say, my first license was one for fishing ;)
As for hunting, I respect those who like the sport, but am not that fond of it myself. There's just something I don't like about guns, perhaps the sound... I like bow hunting, though I've never been myself ^^' I find it kind of ironic, my dislike for hunting, since the majority of my cousins and uncles hunt all the time, and actually own a hunting cabin for long trips.
For both of these sports, I do agree that they're only fun with the right permission and licenses, and I strongly disagree with poachers and illegal hunting on reserves. All wildlife should be respected, even those pesky deer ;3
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If it were not for the abundane of animals left orphaned after the effects of hunting I wouldn't have a problem with it.If you were a deer or a bear cub would you like it if your mother was shot and have your life stripped away from you.I have one thing against fishing as in some cases where you catch and throw back the hook impales through the mouth on occasions and their left in pain.Let us all remember humanity is just another animal in the kingdom as we fall under mammals.We all feel feelings and the animals killed might of had family left behind.We don't know what happens after we take the body.Just like Elephants perhaps they grieve.
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I understand what you're getting at, but in truth(for fish), the fish have no nerves in their mouth, or many places really. As for the hunting of mammals and such, hunting is a way of life for some people. Anyways, if a hunter doesn't shoot a specific animal, something else will more than likely take it as its next meal. Murph, everyone is entitled to their own opinion :-\
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Found this interesting little article and thought it might be relevant to this topic.
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http://www.outdoorlife.com/blogs/hunting/2012/01/60-minutes-uncovers-how-hunting-helped-saved-scimitar-oryx-and-how-anti-hunter (http://www.outdoorlife.com/blogs/hunting/2012/01/60-minutes-uncovers-how-hunting-helped-saved-scimitar-oryx-and-how-anti-hunter)
Basically, scimitar oryx went extinct in the wild in the eighties, but thanks to captive breeding programs funded by the US Department of Fish and Game (which is mostly funded by *gasp* hunting licences!), these animals have attained healthy populations on hunting ranches in Texas, USA (you can hunt scimitar oryx on these ranches, but only with a special permit), and are being reintroduced back into their original habitats in Northeastern Africa.
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I don't very much prefer hunting but fishing is alright. My family's never been big animal killers unless it's absolutely necessary, in that matter. However, that's just my opinion. I don't mind it if other individuals do such, as long as they're not doing something like illegal hunting or anything.
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I never actually went hunting but I wanna try it I'm a good shot with a be-be gun as long as your not my brother trying to teach me and Your not ready and I shoot and i almost shoot your hand...BUT If i ever went hunting I would make sure the whole animal gets used. I probably wouldn't keep it as trophy cause When You keep the heads they kinda freak me out...like I'll go to poke it on the wall and In my head images of it biting me will show up ._." I have went fishing and it's a meh kinda thing to me It's fun but boring as you wait and I love the feeling of seeing the fish i caught and then returning it to the wild.((Without the hook in it)) So yea And I am definitely not a fan of people killing animals just to get a laugh. People who do that better sleep with one eye opened cause if not I'll round house kick them in the face with a steel toed boot on. DUN HURT ANIMALZ JUST FOR LAUGHS IT'S NOT RIGHT ANIMALZ HAVE FEELINGZ TOO! But yea if your hunting for sport and to use the animal Then your fine. If your doing it just to be a jerk face and want to just kill stuff then You go into my category of people I will hate for ETERNITY!! And Don't get me started on Shark fining, Why would people do that sure sharks aren't adorable but they are still pretty cool I mean really people This is how i think of people who take shark fins just for fricken soup "Hey look at me I just hacked this sharks fin off now Imma let it suffer MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!" *throws shark back into water* "HA Now you can suffer shark cause you ain't cute.". I Hate people who let adorable and not adorable but still really awesome animals suffer cause they feel no empathy for the animals. My brother used to shoot things with his pellet rifle just for fun and I always got mad at him. And I know most hunters actually use all the meat from the animals so They are OK But people who just kill them for trophy and don't even use the meat I dislike. I mean seriously animals were created for a reason the least you could do is use all the animal and not just make stupid coats and rugs from them ((Unless of course you'll also eat the meat.)) My grandma gets mad when I waste hamburgers so on that note it makes it no better to waste animals. I mean really who is the fricken idiot who is clubbing baby seal pups? Really dun beat baby animals to death :'( They are just babies! *Rant over*
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In my view, killing an animal, be it deer or fish, is okay, as long as you're going to do something with it! I'm completely against killing an animal for no good reason.
Earlier this month I went to Scotland with my mum, step-dad and friend. We caught a lot of mackeral and few other species of fish, like whiting and dogfish. We killed and ate most of our catch and those that we didn't eat by the end of our trip we froze and brought back home to cook and eat another time. Some we gave to family and friends. (My friend and I gutted the fish in a collaborated effort - I cut open the belly and cut off the heads, he pulled the innards out. xD)
Last autumn I also went hunting with my step-dad for rabbits. We found a nice spot, hid ourselves and waiting for some rabbits to turn up. That time we only got one, and the step-dad killed it. We use some sort of gun (I don't know what it is) rather than traps like snares; they're horrible things. The rabbit had a quick and painless death which is more that can be said for the prey of other human hunters. The day after, we had rabbit stew for dinner and it was yummy. :)
Hunting and fishing is fine as long as you do something with your kill/catch and you do it responsibly. I think that if we go hunting or fishing, we catch and kill only as much as we need, say, maybe enough fish that could feed a family for a week or enough rabbits to make a couple of casseroles. We need to make sure that we don't make to much of a negative impact on the environment in this respect.
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hunting for sport=no
hunting for food=im ok with it
fishing i love i love to fish we only keep the fish if they are good to eat and area good size
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I'm against it, because there is hunting/fishing in excess... :c
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I'm against it, because there is hunting/fishing in excess... :c
There's such a thing as eating in excess. Does that mean you are against eating in general?
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Hrm.. well, here are my opinions:
I believe in hunting 'food' animals. Like, deer, moose, etc.. herbivores, the animals that are usually food, and I only like it when they hunt it FOR food. I hate it when people just kill it to kill it and say, "Hey! New trophy!" Just.. no.
I don't exactly like the hunting of predators.. Most people don't EAT predators. Predator hunting is usually for sport, which I strongly dislike. I mean, who ever heard of eating wolf or cougar? Predators are higher in the food chain, and they are not meant to be hunted for food. That is what the 'prey' animals are for. Like, deer, rabbits, etc. The kind of animal people will actually EAT.
Hunting for food is okay, but I hate sport hunting... it's just wrong.
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Agreed^^
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I don't exactly like the hunting of predators.. Most people don't EAT predators. Predator hunting is usually for sport, which I strongly dislike. I mean, who ever heard of eating wolf or cougar? Predators are higher in the food chain, and they are not meant to be hunted for food. That is what the 'prey' animals are for. Like, deer, rabbits, etc. The kind of animal people will actually EAT.
Predators are hunted for more reasons than just sport. They are also culled for the sake of population control. Take the timber wolves in Alaska, or the alligators in Florida. Their populations have exploded, they are causing damage to themselves and to their local ecosystems because there are just so many of them. And it's not like the government is just handing guns and beer to local rednecks and telling them to shoot every wolf or gator in sight. It's tightly controlled and highly regulated, and nothing is wasted. Alligator meat is commonly eaten in the southern states, while their hide goes to leather products. As for the wolves, the fur is used for clothing (typically spiritual kinds for religious ceremonies, like headdresses), and the meat goes into dog food.
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I don't exactly like the hunting of predators.. Most people don't EAT predators. Predator hunting is usually for sport, which I strongly dislike. I mean, who ever heard of eating wolf or cougar? Predators are higher in the food chain, and they are not meant to be hunted for food. That is what the 'prey' animals are for. Like, deer, rabbits, etc. The kind of animal people will actually EAT.
Predators are hunted for more reasons than just sport. They are also culled for the sake of population control. Take the timber wolves in Alaska, or the alligators in Florida. Their populations have exploded, they are causing damage to themselves and to their local ecosystems because there are just so many of them. And it's not like the government is just handing guns and beer to local rednecks and telling them to shoot every wolf or gator in sight. It's tightly controlled and highly regulated, and nothing is wasted. Alligator meat is commonly eaten in the southern states, while their hide goes to leather products. As for the wolves, the fur is used for clothing (typically spiritual kinds for religious ceremonies, like headdresses), and the meat goes into dog food.
What Abomine said is true. I've been out fox hunting before, but it was in a place where foxes and other small predator animals were overpopulating. With over-population, the population of some species of doves, quails, and pheasants were going down fast. On that hunting trip, I didn't see anything or get any foxes (just a rabbit). There are laws that do protect predators under certain conditions and seasons. It's illegal to just shoot any game animal without a lisence/permit, or out of season. There is really nothing wrong with people hunting or trapping the predators for sport. The only time it's wrong is when they are breaking the state hunting laws and regulations, hunting out of season, and poaching.
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Hooboy, I expected a load of 'aboos here screeching about how cruel hunting was, but I see most people are nice and kind in their replies. c: Anyway, I don't see what could be wrong with hunting. If it were hunting illegaly, I'd say no, but if it were for food, population control, etcetera, etcetera, then I'm completely fine with it. Some people do actually hunt predators for food. Dear balloons I want to taste wolf meat now! (flails arms helplessly) Anyhow, I'm also fine with fishing as long as endangered animals aren't what fisherpeople are aiming for. I've actually tried going fishing before using some kind of clay like food (I was too squeamish to touch the worms) but I hadn't any luck. (flails again)
As a stamp I'd seen before on deviantART said: It is possible to love animals and still eat them! Clocky is out~
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I see nothing wrong with hunting for food or because of overpopulation. We are omnivores, so we eat meat like animals. However, hunting for sport and fun is wrong and I'm completely against it. It's the same with fishing.
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Agreed^
Altho i do fish ffor sport we always release the fish after
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I've been fishing before. My family used to host fishing parties on Saturday. Not only did we fish, we also caught blue crabs, clams, almost anything we could catch. And whatever we caught, we ate it too. If there were leftovers, we'd give them to the neighbors next door. We never let anything go to waste.