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Title: The old newbie hatred-Why do we hate them?
Post by: FantasyDawn on March 02, 2013, 02:20:06 pm: Ok,so,it happened I got in the middle of some conversation between newbies and old members.Now this hatred isn't only available for this game but to all games in this world.

So,what are newbies?Often addressed as noobs,they are new players to a game/community,whom are trying to learn the basics of the game,rules,and everything related to it.Yet old players are not pleased at all with them.They often bully them,call them names and usually troll them for their own fun.But why hate them?
Newbies usually encounter more often problems,and they'll seek help from an experienced member.But old members seem to be annoyed when someone asks them a stupid question,like in our case,how do you dash or how do you fly.And then they'll just laugh in their face,because "they are too stupid to understand"etc.Fortunately,there are people who don't mind much about this,and help the newbies.I can tell that everytime I join a game for first time and I'm just a newbie,I ususally avoid seeking help directly from the game and go to the forums since they are forbidden to start a fight there.I'm wondering,are noob-haters annoyed because some of the newbies are slow-learners and ask same question again and again?And what about fast-learners who learn in just a few days all basics?And I find the noob-hatred ridiculous.Let's say you are a noob-hater.Don't you think you were once a newbie aswell?And when you join for the first time another game,you enter the ranks of a newbie.Are you going to hate yourself?
This is why I'm asking for your opinion.And if it happens you are a noob-hater,then tell us a good reason we should hate on them.
Title: Re: The old newbie hatred-Why do we hate them?
Post by: kopat on March 02, 2013, 02:26:58 pm: Well, I don't think it's exactly fair to pick on them... because they just started playing the game and just don't know the basic controls and all that. Just try to be nice to a newbie and try to answer their cries for help. :p
Title: Re: The old newbie hatred-Why do we hate them?
Post by: BouncyLion101 on March 02, 2013, 02:58:04 pm: Since I have been on the game on and off for about two years I've encountered my fair share of noobies and their haters.
It doesn't really bother me when new players ask for help, and if I can I'll help them. :3

But there are some people that are very rude to new players, and that bothers me a lot. I usually try to be nice to the new players and look out for them, lol.
I was once a noob when I was younger and didn't know anything about the game. But I grew experienced and here I am. :D
Title: Re: The old newbie hatred-Why do we hate them?
Post by: FantasyDawn on March 02, 2013, 03:09:58 pm: Quote from: BouncyLion101 on March 02, 2013, 02:58:04 pm
Since I have been on the game on and off for about two years I've encountered my fair share of noobies and their haters.
It doesn't really bother me when new players ask for help, and if I can I'll help them. :3

But there are some people that are very rude to new players, and that bothers me a lot. I usually try to be nice to the new players and look out for them, lol.
I was once a noob when I was younger and didn't know anything about the game. But I grew experienced and here I am. :D

That's what I wanted to point out,that theese "annoying" noobs can be tomorrow awesome people.
Title: Re: The old newbie hatred-Why do we hate them?
Post by: duna the killer on March 02, 2013, 04:03:53 pm: I agree,everyone was (at one point) a newbie.So it's really pointless to be mean to new players.If I find someone doing that I walk right up to their face and say, "You were once a noob." then leave.So you newbie haters remind yourself 'I was once a newbie before.' and with the wing and map update the newbies ask for more help.I don't blame them,I joined before the wing and more maps update so I didn't ask for much help. :) So I give you my opinion that newbie haters were once themselves newbies and they should remember that,like I do.
Title: Re: The old newbie hatred-Why do we hate them?
Post by: SoulRevenge on March 02, 2013, 04:32:53 pm: I've come across several cases such as this, where just because the older members are capable of typing in 'literate', any noobs were often-times frowned upon, despite the fact that they probably do not know that typing in this style will often times get them made fun of.

I've only picked on noobs for reason, and that has happened rarely.
Really, you must wait and see if they even did anything before jumping to conclusions and picturing that they are a complete idiot that doesn't know anything. Perhaps even 'take them under your wing' too- since that it a define possibility. After being taught the basics of the game, and perhaps how to roleplay a little, you can learn to appreciate this person a lot more, for despite the fact that there is a lot of jerks out on the internet, or just complete idiots that refuse to be influenced or understand anything someone 'higher' than them tells them, there are lot's of people that aprpeciate being taught the basics and could become a great friend, aswell as an 'apprentice'.
Title: Re: The old newbie hatred-Why do we hate them?
Post by: kiaz1st on March 02, 2013, 05:10:20 pm: I think that these older players don't like the newbies and wont help them because they are too proud of being experienced(or so they think) on the game. they don't want newbies to become too good at the game or else they might get better than them. they know a lot from their experience on the game and don't want other people to learn these things because otherwise they would not be so great, but be just the same as every one else. so I really just find it very stupid that people would treat someone like that.
Title: Re: The old newbie hatred-Why do we hate them?
Post by: LordSuragaha on March 02, 2013, 06:13:13 pm: Quote from: Fantasyna on March 02, 2013, 02:20:06 pm
Don't you think you were once a newbie aswell? And when you join for the first time another game,you enter the ranks of a newbie.

This is a point I have often stated before on this forum & game and I can not agree with you anymore on this subject. No matter what date we started this game we were all "newbies" at some point. None of us came into this game like pros knowing all the controls and tricks around the game. So why when some individuals have a couple more gaming hours or experience do they think they have the right to mistreat so called "newbies" as some sort of nuisance? How would you have liked it if you were treated poorly or name called or even ignored simply because you were new to the game and inexperienced?

It's all immaturity

I am not a fan of the words "noob" "newbie" or "nub" or whatever you want to call it. I do realize not all people use those words in a negative way but most do. The label Noob is not something people like to be called in game communities because it's associated with negative connotations and you are immediately stigmatized. I have been through it myself in other game communities like IMVU for example. It's not pleasant to enter a community and game feeling excited to play and interact with others but intimidated and afraid to approach them or ask them for help because you'll be seen as an "annoying noob".

The saddest thing is that most of these communities, as does this one, pride themselves on being "friendly" and "wholesome" but certain members totally tarnish those values by bringing hostility into the community. I have seen many rude & upsetting things said and done even among well known members of this community and each time I just shake my head in disbelief to the shear lack of sensitivity and immaturity shown to these so called "noobs" of Feral Heart.

Here are some examples of what I'm talking about:

- An individual runs along and is using certain emotes or actions like howl a lot and goofs off with it around one of these "veteran members" & their group of friends. Veteran members immediately call out this individual and label them as a noob. Then veteran member talks amongst friends about how noobish this person is and how annoying they are. The veteran group continues to down talk and label the person until the person is so uncomfortable that they leave or disconnect...

- An excited individual joins an rp and is asked to give an rp sample. Their rp example isn't up to the groups standards so instead of politely dismissing this individual proceed to name call this individual a stupid noob and criticize their RP style or name them another famous Feral Heart label "illiterate".

- An individual comes up to a member that is seemingly seasoned member and asks how do I do this action or get to this place? Seasoned member either decides to ignore this "annoying" noob or laughs at the noob and name calls.

- An individual decides to politely join in on a group of seasoned members conversation since they're chatting in local and everyone immediately gets silent turns to this individual and start the noob name calling

My point in listing these examples is to show how the use of the title noob/newbie/nub is as over used and improperly used as the title of illiterate. It's not cute or funny when you throw these words around, infact it's immature and insensitive. Grow up people. This is a game and it's a place to have fun not a place to bash random users just for cheap laughs or to look cool among your friends or whatever other warped reasons why people do it. We're all here as one community and if we want to see this community last long and stay happy, fun, and friendly certain members need to get their act together...
Title: Re: The old newbie hatred-Why do we hate them?
Post by: Nemena on March 02, 2013, 06:57:20 pm: I've blocked considerably more 'veteran' members than newbies! Heck, I met one of my closest friends on FH after taking her beneath my wing when she'd only just started. People really do need to keep in mind that the newer players are often extraordinarily young; they don't deserve such harassment if they're polite and are only seeking assistance. Whilst FH's community isn't as venomous as the one I left a few months ago, it's still rather disconcerting-- and upsetting! I don't entirely understand what's so difficult about about responding with 'press E' when someone asks how to fly!

Even with my own group, I value the player behind the character more than their literacy level; I've accepted people I've had a lovely banter with-- even if their roleplaying sample's not entirely up to scratch! People improve with time, and the two I've accepted now blow my roleplay entirely out of the water. :D

I can somewhat understand if the new player's incredibly crude; there was a new player who wore my patience thin, claiming she'd been abused, had scarlet fever, cancer, hepatitis and every ailment under the sun after she was (seemingly) declined from a group earlier.

Outright harassing anyone is never right, but it can't hurt to show a little empathy and compassion towards a fellow player.

Though...

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- An individual decides to politely join in on a group of seasoned members conversation since they're chatting in local and everyone immediately gets silent turns to this individual and start the noob name calling

This happened very recently to me (even if I've been playing for almost a year across my old account and this one!). I approached the group again after recognizing a few from the forums, and-... Is there a forum block? ::)
Title: Re: The old newbie hatred-Why do we hate them?
Post by: Lady_Alizarin on March 02, 2013, 09:01:14 pm: Quote from: LordSuragaha on March 02, 2013, 06:13:13 pm

My point in listing these examples is to show how the use of the title noob/newbie/nub is as over used and improperly used as the title of illiterate. It's not cute or funny when you throw these words around, infact it's immature and insensitive. Grow up people. This is a game and it's a place to have fun not a place to bash random users just for cheap laughs or to look cool among your friends or whatever other warped reasons why people do it. We're all here as one community and if we want to see this community last long and stay happy, fun, and friendly certain members need to get their act together...

Very well said, Lord Sura. I applaud you for your statement.

Yes, I too have seen new players being bullied by the more experienced players in this community. It's just down-right immature, stupid, insensitve, and most of all childish! You're right, EVERYONE in this community was a "newbie" at some point, whether it was two years ago or two months ago.
Think about it, experienced players who bully and tease new players aren't really setting a good example or a good impression for the Feral Heart community. The new players who get bullied won't feel welcome and will think the FH community isn't a friendly place to play. Therefore, it could discorage them to play this game. I don't want new players to think of this community as being an unfriendly place for newcomers. I want them to feel welcome, not feel like an outcast... but since we have some immature members out there, that makes it difficult.

I too was once a newbie. The first day I started playing this game, I found some experienced players who didn't mind instructing me on how to use the actions and character emotes. I was glad that I found some people who didn't bully/harrass new players in the game.

I really don't have a problem with helping new players in this community. If I ever come across someone who is new to the FH community, I will give them a few helpful game tips and hints if they ask for it. I was once in the middle of an RP, when this "newbie" came along and started watching us. Pretty much they wanted to learn how to roleplay in Feral Heart. So we just continued with our little RP while they sat quietly and watched how we roleplayed. Is there anything wrong with that? Of course not!!! It's a great way for them to learn so they could go out and RP with others. They need to be given a chance. They will get better at playing this game if they follow the examples of the experienced members.
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A letter from Lady Alizarin addressed to anyone who has ever bullied new players...

Dear "Newb-Hater",

How DARE you?! What you're doing to the newest members of this Feral Heart community is VERY unacceptable, insensitive, and childish. Feral Heart is supposed to be a friendly community that welcomes everyone. Are you trying to give us a bad name? Not only is bullying someone on this game against the rules, it will discourage more people from playing this game. You should be very ashamed of yourself. You need to grow up and KNOCK IT OFF! I may be a lady with nice silk gloves, but these silk gloves can be used for smacking bullies across the face in a lady-like fashion. T^T

~Sincerely, Lady Alizarin
Title: Re: The old newbie hatred-Why do we hate them?
Post by: Raxoremys on March 02, 2013, 09:23:00 pm: I for one do my best to be nice to the new floofs, and occasionally I'll even drop whatever else I'm doing and concentrate on teaching them stuff for half an hour of so.
The only time I get really annoyed with someone is if I'm explaining something they asked about very clearly, and they seem not to be listening. I've had to teach a lot of people about map installation for example, and that can be a real pain since there are so many steps for a new member to get to grips with. Most of the time it's relatively straightforward, but sometimes the member I'm teaching has very little computer knowledge at all(recently a user I was talking to didn't know what Windows Explorer was and kept mistaking it for Internet Explorer, despite me telling them several times that they were entirely different), which makes things a bit difficult.
On the whole however, it's just a matter of being patient while they learn the ins and outs of FH. Eventually that little "noob" will become like any other member, and it's our job to make them feel welcomed :D
Title: Re: The old newbie hatred-Why do we hate them?
Post by: WhiteLightHeart on March 02, 2013, 09:41:30 pm: *Sigh* I'mma throw this out there first off; Outright "Noob-haters" present themselves as little more than pretentious, immature individuals who add no good to society by sticking their noses in the air and considering themselves better than everyone else, all by putting other (and often very innocent) new members down. The use of words in that manner is an insult to their own intelligence.

*Cough*
So, anyway. xD
Personally, I love me some newbcakes. xD Call me weird. <3
I know from experience, that it's those kind, experienced players that take some time and help out our new members that make all the difference for their first-ever experience with a new game.
And so, having been in that same position, I do sympathize with these little guys (nor am I alone in this~), and I try my best to get them into FH with their best paw forward, smiling and learning their way around, with the hopes that they'll do the same for the newbies that come after them. c:

Granted, there always will be those new floofs who come on here and don't give a flying derp about other people, and run around just to troll, but that's gonna happen anywhere, and from anyone.

This said, it's best not to judge anybody. Start everyone off with a fresh slate, be kind, and who knows? Maybe they'll do the same to you, or at the very least, somebody else~
Title: Re: The old newbie hatred-Why do we hate them?
Post by: Robin_Wolfieh on March 02, 2013, 09:46:08 pm: Or maybe some "veterans" don't have the time or patience to teach. -But I'm more than happy to lend a hand too when someone approaches me with a question.

"There is always a time to play but not to-" Something...*scatter brained*

Since I have issues with my cruddy internet and all, whenever I do play in-game I occasionally press the Escape key and go to Options and see the controls. I tell some newcomers this too in case a few examples and explanations doesn't do justice. However, since of my kind nature, I jump into action whenever I do happen to be in-game and see someone bullied and guide them away. -But you can't control everything on what they do and some people are just going to be as such (I sometimes question parenting methods).

Although the magical "block" button can be used anytime in-game. Out of sight, out of mind right?
Title: Re: The old newbie hatred-Why do we hate them?
Post by: Silvertide on March 02, 2013, 11:04:23 pm
Title: Re: The old newbie hatred-Why do we hate them?
Post by: mkljkl on March 03, 2013, 05:02:52 am: See i love to help Noobs on FH but unlike IW and other IT servers that have the tutorial i would say Log out go to Tutorials (or whatever it was called) and go to Tutorial it will give you all the info you need
But as for me my first IT server was IW in 2011 December or january of 2012 it was so long ago i just learnd the controls myself
Title: Re: The old newbie hatred-Why do we hate them?
Post by: Haruki on March 03, 2013, 05:08:23 am: Hate is such a strong word. "Disconnected" is more the appropriate term.

I simply have trouble communicating with MOST of them. How does one express what "roleplay" is to someone who doesn't care to disconnect their own voice from their character's?

I don't really care when someone joined, I simply observe how they conduct themselves. Mate-begging and then kit-begging is quantifiable, and most common among new users.

But hate is wrong, in the outright.
Title: Re: The old newbie hatred-Why do we hate them?
Post by: Starri700 on March 03, 2013, 05:46:42 am: I have found my people.
Yes, I once was a 'noob' myself. Crud, I hate saying that word. Yes, I was one. And everyone was one as well at one point in life. You don't log on to a game knowing every single command. I mean seriously, what the flurp? Why do you hate them if you were once one? It's like hating babies, but you once were one. Sheeesh. I understand that they thing they are mate-begging and child-begging at times and this may spark the hate, but dood. No.
Skree. If I meet a person who's new to the game and needs help, I give advice. When I was new, I didn't ask for advice unless I needed it. Yes I got banned once or twice due to my stupidity, but I tried to make it. I don't hate on anyone.
The Starri fades to silence nowww
Title: Re: The old newbie hatred-Why do we hate them?
Post by: Silvertide on March 03, 2013, 09:00:38 am: Just now I was trolling, yes I know some people don't like that word or the action of trolling, but I was trolling as a noob. Some people decided it would be fun to take advantage of my apparent obliviousness to everything and they were making fun of me by saying they liked my ugly features. I just can't believe it, though. What if I really was just an innocent noob person and I was treated like that and I wouldn't even know I was being made fun of? It scares me and I hope that nothing like that happens too often around Feral Heart.
Title: Re: The old newbie hatred-Why do we hate them?
Post by: Fivael on March 03, 2013, 09:40:15 am: People like that should be reported for harassment.
Honestly, I've seen lots of this happen while exploring few of the maps.
There were two people dancing in neon bright characters, and people were ranting at them and calling them "trolls".
This 'hatred' for noobs like this, should stop.
Like come on? We were all noobs at one point?
Title: Re: The old newbie hatred-Why do we hate them?
Post by: Feareh on March 03, 2013, 04:04:01 pm: When it all comes down to why people act like this...it's only one word....
immaturity
I have seen older members/ fairly known being so incredible rude to new people on Feral Heart that it really does irritate me some great deal. I have no problems helping anyone if they come up to me and ask, but be rude about it and forget it.
Everyone does need help from time to time, and I do find it ridiculous to label new guys as noobs or any other slang label people are using.
Title: Re: The old newbie hatred-Why do we hate them?
Post by: FantasyDawn on March 03, 2013, 05:02:11 pm: Oh I forgot another thing,so I'm going to say it now.Now let's compare the whole community of FH to a flower.Any kind of flower.It'll drop seeds,which means the word of it will be spread to other people,and there'll come new players(the seeds).Everytime the newbie learns something,this seed begins to turn into a flower and it'll eventually become one(an elder member).You should be happy everytime you see a newbie.Why?Well if there'll be no seeds,how the reign of the flower will continue?If we act rudely to them,then the newbies wil eventually leave FH and spread the word that this game is full of newbie-haters,trolls etc and no one will likely join this community.Then,what'll be left of FH who'll be marked as "the worst community ever"?Nothing.We need our reign to expand and good things about us to be spread."We are one",in the end.
Title: Re: The old newbie hatred-Why do we hate them?
Post by: Demonology on March 03, 2013, 05:50:51 pm: We were all newbies once so I don't really understand why you should hate on them just help them when they need it because soon enough they will be a experienced member just like you.
Title: Re: The old newbie hatred-Why do we hate them?
Post by: rustheart on March 04, 2013, 02:51:36 am: In some other games (Roblox) newbies are pests most of the time and 'noob' is a insult to someone who is really bothering you. Because they may run into you, in roblox they can push you not wall though like on FH, or blow people up because they don't know how to use weapons. But on FH they can't do any of this and I fine it really unfair to treat them badly. Newbies are new to the world of Feralheart and should be greeted warmly and have all the questions answered no mater how stupid not yell at for not knowing anything.
Title: Re: The old newbie hatred-Why do we hate them?
Post by: FantasyDawn on March 04, 2013, 06:15:28 am: Quote from: Rustys on March 04, 2013, 02:51:36 am
In some other games (Roblox) newbies are pests most of the time and 'noob' is a insult to someone who is really bothering you. Because they may run into you, in roblox they can push you not wall though like on FH, or blow people up because they don't know how to use weapons. But on FH they can't do any of this and I fine it really unfair to treat them badly. Newbies are new to the world of Feralheart and should be greeted warmly and have all the questions answered no mater how stupid not yell at for not knowing anything.
I play Roblox and the community is horrible,consisting of immature kids.For them,noob means everything:cheater,hacker,and many other insults.Here's a fact that gamers will understand:"Everyone better than me is a hacker,everyone worse than me is a noob".Yup,pretty much their logic.
Title: Re: The old newbie hatred-Why do we hate them?
Post by: rustheart on March 06, 2013, 02:05:26 pm: Quote from: Fantasyna on March 04, 2013, 06:15:28 am
Quote from: Rustys on March 04, 2013, 02:51:36 am
In some other games (Roblox) newbies are pests most of the time and 'noob' is a insult to someone who is really bothering you. Because they may run into you, in roblox they can push you not wall though like on FH, or blow people up because they don't know how to use weapons. But on FH they can't do any of this and I fine it really unfair to treat them badly. Newbies are new to the world of Feralheart and should be greeted warmly and have all the questions answered no mater how stupid not yell at for not knowing anything.
I play Roblox and the community is horrible,consisting of immature kids.For them,noob means everything:cheater,hacker,and many other insults.Here's a fact that gamers will understand:"Everyone better than me is a hacker,everyone worse than me is a noob".Yup,pretty much their logic.
So very true....
Title: Re: The old newbie hatred-Why do we hate them?
Post by: SteampunkWolfdog on March 06, 2013, 02:52:10 pm: We were all noobs once. Hating noobs is just completely unneccesary and uncalled for. It's hardly their fault they're still getting to grips with controls, etiquette or whatever - everyone was at that stage at some point.
We should make the newbies feel welcome and help them out with stuff rather than bully them. That's what being a community is. They're not going to want to come back if the people they met were horrible to them. Yes, sometimes the things newbies do or say might seem a bit silly or stupid to us experienced players, but with a bit of practise and training, the newbs will be like us in no time. :)
Title: Re: The old newbie hatred-Why do we hate them?
Post by: 580star on March 06, 2013, 05:50:47 pm: As to why people would not spend Two minutes to help a New user learn how to play the game properly has no explanation, All Users should be willing to help one another whether they are new or experienced within the game. Yes sometimes Newbies can take annoyance to an Extent, However why would someone "Hate" them?

Perhaps it could be that New users tend to skip over all the Rules & Break rules more often. In this case, Just correct their mistake and direct them to the Rules board. Easy, Problem solved if they read over them.

Experienced members trolling new members is just harsh. Old users once needed help & They most likely got help, So why not share your Learning & Teach the New Users?

As for Roblox...That community is utterly terrible. I was talking to a "Friend" & My Sexuality came up out of no-where. A couple users told me I needed to go "Slowly die in a Hole". Ahaha, Okay. Why don't parents teach their children to accept individuals with differences in Love, Wealth, Etc. It is truly sickening Kids are going around saying those things.
Title: Re: The old newbie hatred-Why do we hate them?
Post by: SteampunkWolfdog on March 06, 2013, 07:48:21 pm: Noobism - discrimination and prejudice towards newbies.

Noobist (sounds like nudist) - a person who is prejudice towards newbies.

I just came up with two new words.
Title: Re: The old newbie hatred-Why do we hate them?
Post by: Slydragon99 on March 06, 2013, 08:58:12 pm: The truth is - We were all once newbies who didn't exactly know the game.

I just think that labelling someone as a "noob" , "nub", or "newb" is just disrespectful unless you actually know the person enough to judge them, which most of the "elder members" do not. They just jump to conclusions. I hate to do this, or see it done, unless there is an actual reason for labels- although labels never helped or even made anything better, they will always be around, and we just have to be more responsible in what we call people. In who we assume they are.
Title: Re: The old newbie hatred-Why do we hate them?
Post by: WhiteLightHeart on March 06, 2013, 10:24:57 pm: Quote from: DoctorFlob on March 06, 2013, 07:48:21 pm
Noobism - discrimination and prejudice towards newbies.

Noobist (sounds like nudist) - a person who is prejudice towards newbies.

I just came up with two new words.
...I'm okay with this. o: -sage nod-

Fight the noobism, fellow floofs. Hug a newbie today.
Title: Re: The old newbie hatred-Why do we hate them?
Post by: shusuke on March 08, 2013, 04:33:46 am: While I don't really play many online games anymore I have encountered communities that absolutely detested new additions for some reason. I never really saw the reason why since everyone was a probie player at some point on the game, and whether they asked, self tutored, or eavesdropped on conversations to learn the controls doesn't really matter, but hating on someone in a position you yourself were once in their position.

I saw someone mention comparing new players to babies on the hate scale but that isn't...really...accurate. People have their own reasons to have an aversion to young children, myself included [I am incredibly awkward around them and therefore do my best to avoid them] but new players I don't mind. The amount that sometimes drive my patience thin can be a bother, but otherwise, I'm more than happy to talk to them!

As for terms I honestly find the term "rookie" more accurate than anything on an online game. Rookies are new to the fold. Rookies aren't fully experienced. Rookies make mistakes. It's much less demeaning than noob or newbie, as people use those terms in belittling ways at this point.

Even if people used the term "rookie" in a negative light in a game I honestly don't see how it could be a stab at someone because rookies can LEARN, you just have to be willing to be patient and TEACH them how to do things [so long as they're willing to listen and work with you].

Heck were I on FH I'd be a freaking Rookie because I've forgotten all the controls and some of the important keys on my keyboard are broken.
Title: Re: The old newbie hatred-Why do we hate them?
Post by: Genesis9 on March 08, 2013, 09:20:24 am: I've never insulted or called someone out for being as you say a 'newbie' but I won't deny I've gotten very frustrated with newer members more than once. And that's usually because of their attitude. New players sometimes aggressively spam whatever chat they are in asking questions until they are finally answered by disgruntled players and it can be very vexing when you're trying to explain how to install things for the hundredth time (like maps for example, which was a very irksome manner when I hosted a Rp that had a custom map a long time ago).

However this is generalizing, as I know there are quite a few FH players that can be a part of the community for a long time without every downloading a map or Modification. And I know it's important to be as helpful and cordial as you can be because I remember when I didn't know how to do any of this stuff either!

I think it's just the new members that bring a rude/obnoxious attitude with them are the ones we tend to remember more than those who are polite and respectful when asking for help, which is why people start developing assumptions about 'newbies'.