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Title: Evil Clans? What?
Post by: morallydefunct on March 31, 2013, 09:35:15 am
Heillo, Feralheart.
I have a little topic I want to touch. Hopefully, the response is good.

What is your idea on evil clans?
I admit, evil clans can be very fun in my opinion, but there is times when things go out of hand. Now, I know there's a lot of evil clans out there, and they can be evil.But, don't you just hate it when they attack?I do certainly. Every now and then, I won't even be on a warrior and I'll see some evil clans gather and demolish a clan. One clan. Ugh.
Here is one story:
Me:-Roleplaying at all-
Clanmates:-Just.. doing.. things-
Wolf:"I am an assassin hired by -Insert evil clan-. They want me to kill youuuuuuuu!!!
Clanmate:Uhh... we don't care.
Me:Why are you even 'hired' by a clan when you're clearly a wolf? e.e
Wolf:Every evil clan has to hire a dog or a wolf to win of course.
Me:Every clan?
Wolf:Yeah.
Me:I'm done.

Now, I'm 'alright' with evil clans and all, but it's the only thing I hear now. If I join a clan, someone will yammer on of some clan planning to 'attack' and 'kidnap' their kits and stuff. Making 'alliances' and moving in with each other to take down two clans that have teamed up or something. Wow. They like to take things seriously.  When I'm not on a warrior, I'll slow down because on of their huge battles lagging the whole Plains for their battle of like, 60 cats. Their powerplaying and such. It's annoying and such.
I've joined evil clans my self, yes, but I don't like how it's the same thing everytime one is made. It seems all they do is raid and kill. Eventually, evil clans die out and someone takes over, but cats who liked the original leader, leave and abandon the new leader. Now, this has been going on for a while. It's quite annoying as it's the only thing warriors seem to yammer on about.

Why do you have to be like that, evil clans?

(http://ts2.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4658000374139553&pid=15.1)
Title: Re: Evil Clans? What?
Post by: Fire_flaen on March 31, 2013, 10:47:22 am
For a few days ago there was a evil clan they wan't to fight my clan.
Me: "Uhm what are you doing here?" -.-
The evil leader: "We wan't this territory!"
Me: My friends and me are rp'ing so leave now please))
The evil leader: No!))

Then they started to 'rp' that they attacked us.... And we had to leave :I
Title: Re: Evil Clans? What?
Post by: duna the killer on March 31, 2013, 10:53:49 am
I sort of like evil clans,I know they will attack clans and stuff,but I don't think it's fair to actually take kits.One of my characters used to be in the Shatteredclan but we left when APPRENTICES were going to steal kits.Yesterday there was a huge battle (I forgot how it started,something between deathstar and blazestar),it lasted at least 30 minutes in real life.And everyone kept calling allies,but in the end Deathstar and Shatteredclan won :|.
Title: Re: Evil Clans? What?
Post by: alexterri on April 01, 2013, 02:04:01 am
Ijust joined Shatterdclan. Thatclan is sooooooooooooooo awesome/
Title: Re: Evil Clans? What?
Post by: Lady_Alizarin on April 01, 2013, 03:15:26 am
I see ShatteredClan alot. They never attacked my clan... mostly because it hasn't been very active. Even when it is active, they haven't attacked my clan or given us any problems. The only evil clan that ever threatened my clan was FearClan, and they don't exist anymore.

I do have a few characters in "evil" clans, but they are characters that don't get involved in battles. Why? Because they are either too young (kits) or too old and retired (elders).  
Title: Re: Evil Clans? What?
Post by: WhiteLightHeart on April 01, 2013, 04:41:42 am
.-.
>.>
<.<
._.

I haven't even heard of these raids before. //Privatemapsheltered.

That is interesting, though. While I (clearly) haven't heard of these raids taking place, I guess it's 'nice' to hear that these 'evil' clans are actually doing things to really spice up the RP for everyone, if they do it right.

Granted, attacking other clans left and right would be pointless if those clans didn't have some kind of home life, and it'd be nicer if they kinda did a little bit of planning with the attacking clan's leader (out of character, of course, so there'd be no confusion).
So, in other words, structure is key, even if your clan is going to be some kind of wild, offense-based attack group. This way, issues like Fire_Flaen explained won't happen so often.
After all, nobody likes it when you try to start up spontaneous roleplay, and the others won't play along. ._. So.
Seeing that warriors are naturally competitive clans, the attacking doesn't seem too bad, so long as it's kept to a realistic frequency by the attacking leaders.
Title: Re: Evil Clans? What?
Post by: RisingLife on April 02, 2013, 12:51:47 am
Ive been meaning to make this topic, but I keep forgetting, so thanks for doing it for me xD

Anyways, I have mixed feelings about 'evil' clans. Before I started hiding away in private maps the most famous 'evil' clan was BloodClan. Usually lead by a huge over-powered Scourge, all of these clans were insanely blood-thirsty and commonly what some might call illiterate. They would run around and recruit people from different clans into their own group and then once big enough attack any clan they saw. At first it was kind of fun for me because it didn't happen often in the rp's I joined and it gave me a chance to practice my fighting techniques. But then I remember one Bloodclan that got way out of line. What they did was become a stupidly large group (like a constant 20 or so members on which is pretty good for an unmapped rp) and they also recruited around three strong wolf packs to fight with them. Then at a gathering thing they threatened to destroy all the clans, then proceeded to attack and defeat many of them. If I remember right, I think a moderator had to shut them down, but don't take my word for it. After that I kind of stayed away from evil clans and just hid in private maps. That was around a year ago though, so the evil clans may have changed since then.
Title: Re: Evil Clans? What?
Post by: Hallucination on April 02, 2013, 01:16:17 am
Allow me to give my opinion... Uh, let me gather it up here. c:
I believe evil clans can be fun, if there are a small amount of them. Maybe five, six, per public map to cover the base of FeralHeart (not including any in private maps). But if EVERY Clan is evil (like what I've seen today in mapless Clans, all "merciless" and such) it isn't fun any more! You barely see a "nice" Clan any more. And even if you do, everyone either plays Scourge-based characters, or Hollyleaf-based character. If you don't understand what that means (because that has usually been an inside-thing between my friends), is it means, everyone is either a heartless killer, or a regretful one. Either they are the most terrible thing in the Dark Forest, or they are the most depressed, merciful, useless cat in the entire litter of brave, loyal warriors! Which apparently don't exist either! Yes, some cats out there are actually realistic, more like the books... But the twister is, they ARE from the books. If not exactly, just a few changes! You can barely find an original, realistic-sounding cat... I'm not protesting about it, but... It's just... Not every cat can be like Bluestar. That is another frequent one. Brave, then suddenly depressed and cruel, and until they are five seconds from death, BAM. They want pity.
What is even sadder about evil clans (and cats), is they are either illiterate or powerplayers. They think they can take down an entire pack of wolves. Tell that to Swiftpaw and Brightpaw! They'd love to hear that mouse-brained story! I'm not against Evil Clans... I'm against their huge numbers. We don't need so many! I, for one, have started a nice clan. And I assume that in the next month, we will already be completely dead because we follow the Warrior Code, and fuzzy rouges and evil kittens don't wanna hear it. That is just how they are...

From the Shadows ~ Hallucination
Title: Re: Evil Clans? What?
Post by: WhiteLightHeart on April 02, 2013, 03:38:06 pm
@Rising and Hallucination, that's some pretty intense stuff. Firstly, with the giant BloodClan, I can see where it would be fun to play in a Clan where there's really some momentum in the storyline, and an active purpose for the characters, but you're right. When they get too over-blown in their power, then it gets crazy.
(Now, I don't know if a Mod would have to step in on a roleplay, unless people got too offended and started breaking some rules or something.)

I agree with Hallucination, though. A lot of people are basing their characters too much off of those dramatic, dark-hearted antagonists in the books, because for some reason they're held in some high reverence, and every cat has to have a dark, brooding past. And even more so, 'killer Clans' hold some appeal, as well.
However, in a lot of cases, these guys do get too frequent, and it loses its sparkle altogether.
Like evil, merciless packs, or any other kind of 'dark' RP, the moment I see the words 'killer', 'ruthless', in a group's advertisements, in most cases I tend to look the other way.
It's just too cliche, too dark, too much of what is seen everywhere else.
Title: Re: Evil Clans? What?
Post by: Feareh on April 02, 2013, 04:19:59 pm
It's kinda interesting to hear this really o3o, I've never really had this sort of thing happen to me really. Also, I'm part of The Ebon Circle and I guess we are a "evil clan" but we don't do anything like that at all really. If anything we joke around all the time in group chat and occasionally RP.

I'm not sure, perhaps this person just wanted to join in your RP.
Title: Re: Evil Clans? What?
Post by: mossstar1992 on April 02, 2013, 06:05:01 pm
 I acualy own a few evil lans myself, but they are a bit inactive at the time, I have yet to lead a attack on others b/c I don't like battleing big groups, one b/c of lags, and two b/c of how fast to RP goes, It confuses everyone.
When I make a evil group, we usualy stick to our turf b/c it has enouge to support us, don't get me wronge the group does kill kittypets and others who come into our turf to steal food.
But normaly I give them a trial first before we kill them, if wer kill them.
I don't get why ppl think evil means kit stealing and turf takeing, a wise leader can make due with what land he has and keep his ppl alive ._.
Title: Re: Evil Clans? What?
Post by: Hotdogsrule on April 06, 2013, 12:49:56 am
I see Fearclan.
Joined once.
Do NOT believe their ads... They are NOT literate, OR realistic. The leader is the size of a lion.
Every five seconds, he was searching for a clan with less people then us, remembering the location, and then having us attack.
I lost it at about after our victory on the fifth battle, cussed him out and left.
Title: Re: Evil Clans? What?
Post by: mossstar1992 on April 06, 2013, 02:38:01 am
Its good that you left if you didnt like it,but cussing him out was not the thing to do.This could get you band, and now that you admited this the mods have proof..you should have just left the Rp and found one that suited you better.
Title: Re: Evil Clans? What?
Post by: SoulRevenge on April 06, 2013, 03:17:22 am
A lot of these 'evil clans' make their raids VERY FREQUENT, which means that I have an issue with it.
Attacks and such on other clans are constant, and they apparantly can not lose no matter what the odds from what I have seen in my days. From what I have observed over time, there is a lot of powerplaying, almost every leader is 'the best in battle there ever was'- this is still going on in ShatteredClan, and I believe that 'GoreClan' also went the same way.
It seems as if everyone forgets that there are injuries after battle, and one does not simply 'automaticly heal' from there and are prepared for battle once more.
Which is why, if I create a clan; I ignore these people all-together if I know that they are constant and powerplayers as I have examined before.
But overall, 'evil clans' are fine- as long as they do not do the things I mentioned earlier.
Title: Re: Evil Clans? What?
Post by: Lady_Alizarin on April 06, 2013, 03:54:28 am
I see Fearclan.
Joined once.
Do NOT believe their ads... They are NOT literate, OR realistic. The leader is the size of a lion.
Every five seconds, he was searching for a clan with less people then us, remembering the location, and then having us attack.
I lost it at about after our victory on the fifth battle, cussed him out and left.

I remember a clan called FearClan, led by a Whisperstar... who looked suspicously like Blackstar from the books. I was once roleplaying with my clan, then FearClan came bardging in and interuppted it. The leader was telling me and my clan, "My clan needs allies. Either join us or I will get my deputy to turn into a wolf and destroy your clan." Really? Really?! >:( He just showed up and threatened to spam us with his powerplaying warrior.... that can turn into a WOLF?! So I told him my clan would be allies with his clan . But later on I broke the truce between our clans and told him to kiss the furriest part of my mau behind. A few days later, his clan disbanded. Good ridance.  ::)  
Title: Re: Evil Clans? What?
Post by: popopo on April 06, 2013, 04:31:37 am
My encounter with ShadderedClan
Deathstar F-(on Whisper)"Lynx why so sad"
Me(LynxDash F)-"You just killed me and your clan is the most feared clan in florite!+ you guys are killing my clan wouldn't you be sad?!"
Deathstar F-"aw you think we are most feared and we r wiping out your clan.CUTE ^_^
Me- -_- ugh
Title: Re: Evil Clans? What?
Post by: Hotdogsrule on April 06, 2013, 05:24:47 am
Not cusscuss. I think I worded that wrong. e.e
My use of "fudge" was exessive.
And it was like... a sentence? Sorry, I was tired. XD And it disbanded? Yeeah!
Title: Re: Evil Clans? What?
Post by: mossstar1992 on April 06, 2013, 05:29:36 am
 ._. you better hope a mod didnt see this O.o
You still should not put "cuss" you should have put something like
"So i gave him a 12 year old speak out"
Maybe used this at the end~~~~{Fudge,crap,douche bag}
These words are still not the best for you to use but not as bad.
Title: Re: Evil Clans? What?
Post by: Hotdogsrule on April 07, 2013, 12:11:27 am
I'm being lectured. *Scoots away* o.0
Title: Re: Evil Clans? What?
Post by: mossstar1992 on April 07, 2013, 12:56:37 am
 Sorry, bad habit ._.
Title: Re: Evil Clans? What?
Post by: WhiteLightHeart on April 07, 2013, 01:25:26 am
However, the best course of action is to
._. you better hope a mod didnt see this O.o
You still should not put "cuss" you should have put something like
"So i gave him a 12 year old speak out"
Maybe used this at the end~~~~{Fudge,crap,douche bag}
These words are still not the best for you to use but not as bad.
Uhh... This stuff, and the stuff leading to it. ^
Just my thoughts-- the rules state that you shouldn't cuss, or 'star out' (like using *'s in place of certain letters) your words, since we try to keep this place a more family-oriented community.

However, I personally see nothing wrong with 'fudge', since it is just that. Fudge. Those chocolatey blocks of goodness that are often also sprinkled with nuts. :3 So. That's okay, and sometimes it adds a humorous touch to an otherwise tense situation.
'Crap' isn't the most tasteful word, but it's not necessarily cussing, I don't think.
As for 'D-bag', as I pronounce it, I don't particularly like that one, and I wouldn't go running around using that around the game, or in front of your grandmother, etc.

While these are 'tolerable' words, I think the best thing to do when you get mad at someone in-game is to be the higher person and keep your tongue in check.
Even if you say what you're feeling, using bad language, or simply letting your emotions make a fool of yourself almost always comes back to bite you in the buttocks.

I'm not saying anybody did that, though, but I figured I'd go ahead and state that. ^.^""

*Crawls down from the speech podium, sits cross-legged on the floor and chews on a leaf*

So anyway. :3

I really do like what 'GavelSwingingBlacki' (those names xD) said. He really explained the balance and frequency of these evil clan attacks and their strength vs. recovery very well, and much better than I'd yammered out in one of my earlier posts.
It's interesting how much this stuff ties back to realism and god-modding, though. I personally believe this stuff comes with roleplay experience, though.

Which, this begs the question-- Are these big, bad, 'all-powerful' battleground god-kitties that you guys have seen just roleplayers that don't know any better, or are they really just that ornery and meanie-faced? .-.
Title: Re: Evil Clans? What?
Post by: SoulRevenge on April 07, 2013, 01:46:24 am
 
._. you better hope a mod didnt see this O.o
You still should not put "cuss" you should have put something like
"So i gave him a 12 year old speak out"
Maybe used this at the end~~~~{Fudge,crap,douche bag}
These words are still not the best for you to use but not as bad.

I'm not exactly fond of the title of that- 'Twelve year old speak out'.
But as WhiteLightHeart said, it's best just to not use these words- especially insults such as 'douchebag', but I suppose you got the general idea from what she said.

I honestly think that, if you find it neccesary to let them have a piece of your mind, do it in a 'civilized' manner. Just go right ahead and lecture them, if I could title it any other way. This is basicly just telling them what 'not to do' and that you don't like what they are doing without cussing or using insults- just, plain out explaining if you could call it anything else.
I'm aware that it probably is very scary, sitting there and getting a lecture from another person.
But aye- you want to do something, why not do something that sort of 'points out' their flaws? I think it's better than directly insulting.

@WhiteLightHeart

Whoo, I'm glad I worded that right. A lot of times things I say can be somewhat confusing since I do not proof-read. Anything. Ever.

Title: Re: Evil Clans? What?
Post by: mossstar1992 on April 07, 2013, 02:08:34 am
._. you better hope a mod didnt see this O.o
You still should not put "cuss" you should have put something like
"So i gave him a 12 year old speak out"
Maybe used this at the end~~~~{Fudge,crap,douche bag}
These words are still not the best for you to use but not as bad.

I'm not exactly fond of the title of that- 'Twelve year old speak out'.
But as WhiteLightHeart said, it's best just to not use these words- especially insults such as 'douchebag', but I suppose you got the general idea from what she said.

I honestly think that, if you find it neccesary to let them have a piece of your mind, do it in a 'civilized' manner. Just go right ahead and lecture them, if I could title it any other way. This is basicly just telling them what 'not to do' and that you don't like what they are doing without cussing or using insults- just, plain out explaining if you could call it anything else.
I'm aware that it probably is very scary, sitting there and getting a lecture from another person.
But aye- you want to do something, why not do something that sort of 'points out' their flaws? I think it's better than directly insulting.

@WhiteLightHeart

Whoo, I'm glad I worded that right. A lot of times things I say can be somewhat confusing since I do not proof-read. Anything. Ever.


srry, called it thnat b/c those are the words i used when i was 12...im 13 now and Fudge is freak.....
Title: Re: Evil Clans? What?
Post by: WhiteLightHeart on April 07, 2013, 02:15:26 am
It's okay, Mossy~ We know you were well-intentioned with that.

But anyway, warrior cats and evil clans. 8D
@Blacki, it's all good. I really did like the way you worded it, even if you didn't proof-read. Sometimes, especially when it comes to opinions, just mildly speaking what's on your mind (and not over-thinking it, specifically) can really simplify things.

I do think moderation and realism behind the frequencies of those 'evil clan attacks' is key, though. Crazeh keeds. xD
Title: Re: Evil Clans? What?
Post by: mossstar1992 on April 07, 2013, 02:25:16 am
I dont understand why they think they have to take over Everything!To be a evil clan.Being a evil clan could just mean you dont take orders from others and kill or force anyone who enters ur land to join ur group. o.O
Title: Re: Evil Clans? What?
Post by: hugrf2 on April 07, 2013, 04:06:34 am
In a small story, there is an evil Clan, but not trying to do this.
They are called ScarClan, not a bad or good name. They dislike TalonClan (main clan in story) and dislike something about them. They don't do evil things like the stuff in these "evil clans", they just go hating on TalonClan, nothing that bad, and are a bit mean.
But do they want to defeat all clans? No.
Do they want to take over EVERYTHING? No.
A good evil Clan follows the Warrior code, unless they are BloodClan from the books (Though not anymore eviler!) or like them.
A fair evil Clan would not launch an attack for no reason on other clans they don't even know!
ScarClan don't do that, nope. They steal warriors for a good reason, or kits, if they are desperate and get the chance, like in the story, and threaten TalonClan, but not to make these warriors or kits FOR their clan!
Being an evil Clan would make you mean to all clans, not just try and defeat them and take over everything. Or something else, truly. That's my opinion.
Don't tear my head off because I said it ^^ It's just what I believe an evil Clan is :3 And not stupid children. :3


~Hugrf
Title: Re: Evil Clans? What?
Post by: morallydefunct on April 07, 2013, 03:58:25 pm
I don't care if a clan is evil, good, or none of those two. All that I care about, is that how they are to other clans.
Really, It's annoying that you're roleplaying and in the next minute, an evil clan comes and launches powerplaying posts. "-Tears fangs into neck, and tears off windpipe-" See? Doesn't that get annoying? To me it does. Evil clans just go, "Oh we're going to take over the 'forest' (Flourite) and rule all of the clans." That's the same plot... over.... and.....over... and OVER. Can you evil clans get some new material?
Have I joined evil clans? Yes.
Do I get annoyed by my own evil clan at times? A million times, yes.
Like I said, I don't care what alignment a clan is, if it's evil, please, do a new plot. It's always the same thing, attacking and plans of taking over the forest when really, it never happens because you have many clans after you and eventually, the leader dies and the deputy takes over, but the members leave because they don't want deputy as their leader.

Attacking has other clans chase you. I hate that. The clans after any other evil clan, go after them. When I was in Shatteredclan, five clans came over to attack and caused the camp to lag badly. That's what I hate. How other clans disturb one clan. But hey, do they deserve it from all of the fights they've caused? I don't know. Every opinion is different.
Title: Re: Evil Clans? What?
Post by: ObligatoryMeme on March 03, 2014, 06:07:35 am
My encounter with ShadderedClan
Deathstar F-(on Whisper)"Lynx why so sad"
Me(LynxDash F)-"You just killed me and your clan is the most feared clan in florite!+ you guys are killing my clan wouldn't you be sad?!"
Deathstar F-"aw you think we are most feared and we r wiping out your clan.CUTE ^_^
Me- -_- ugh

A clan called ShadderedClan or did you mean to type Shatteredclan? :P I don't think Deathstar would probably put it that way, and if so. It was probably In Character tone within that statement. I know her personally and I know for a fact she wouldn't purposely be rude to someone unless she was irritated or bothered by them. Deathstar's quite a kind person when you truly get to know her. If it was a clan literally called Shadderedclan, then im not sure why that person acted in such ways. They could have been speaking IC in whisper. But eh -shrug -
Title: Re: Evil Clans? What?
Post by: Vespian on March 03, 2014, 06:23:17 am
Please do not necro-thread old threads. This discussion hasn't been spoken in since last year. I advise ye' check the dates as to when the last posts were made before providin' a response of yer own.