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Title: Attack of the Short-Posts?
Post by: WhiteLightHeart on October 19, 2013, 05:10:43 pm
Afternoon/Evening/Morning, floofs~
Although it's been a while since I've made my own little discussion, here, I wanted to see what your opinions are on a roleplay trend I've noticed as of late.

Let's say you're sitting there, roleplaying with your pride, pack, Clan, etc., and majority of those around you prefer paragraph-style roleplay (you can also call this "literate," though this can be the case for any RP styles).

Someone (we'll call her Ellie) makes their post, and it goes a little something like this:
<Ellie> Sleepy-eyed and still warm from her nap, the little wolf pup gave a toothy yawn as the pack around her started to stir. She blinked, looking up at the sky-- it was just now becoming light. -s-

Not a bad RP post, right? Kinda cute, descriptive, and just another waking-up sort of post.

However, did you notice what I added at the end of it?

Yes, the dreaded "-s-" for short-posts! OH NO!

But wait; Ellie's post wasn't all that short, nor was it non-descriptive or lazy by any means... So why would she apologize for it being a "short-post?"

This brings me to my point.
From what I've seen as of late, many roleplayers seem to be under the notion that they must have a RP post that is several paragraphs long for it to truly be adequate. It must be like writing a book, and if they don't have an obscene amount of detail worthy of the literary classics of the 20th century, they surely must be an inadequate, lazy, or just all-around inexperienced roleplayer.
If their post doesn't meet these high-brow expectations, they must apologize at the end of it by saying,
"-s-"
"Sorry, short-post."
"sssssssssssss short short short!"
"Ah, such a short post, I'm sorry! I just can't think of anything right now.. Don't be mad. ;-;"

I find this little misconception quite silly, to be honest.
Though I may not roleplay as much as I used to, I will say that as a seasoned RPer who once ran a wolf RP, which was full to the brim with paragraph-style RPers, I never once got after anyone, or thought less of them if they had only one paragraph, or even one sentence in their post.

Why is this, though? Don't you have make a 198273821+ paragraph long post to be considered "literate?"

The answer, in my opinion, is a no.
The reason behind this can be summed up in one word: Conciseness.

Concise - Adjective; Expressing much in few[er] words; Clear and succinct (Source) (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/concise)

While detail can bring a lot to the table, and be quite stimulating for roleplay, there is nothing wrong with a concise roleplay post, especially when things are getting fast-paced, and you don't necessarily want everyone to spend 5+ minutes on their post.

I have the patience for this, and I enjoy reading longer posts, but being concise and straight-forward at times is nothing to be ashamed of when roleplaying.

So throw those little "-s-" things away; roleplay the way you're comfortable. It is meant to be fun, right? The angst against short-posts is only a misconception in my eyes, and I feel that so long as you're mindful of what's going on in the RP, and take the time to acknowledge others when necessary, making a concise post is nothing to be ashamed of.



So, how do you guys feel about "short-posts" in paragraph-style RP?
Title: Re: Attack of the Short-Posts?
Post by: IcexWolf1 on October 19, 2013, 05:20:15 pm
Usually I only say it's short when it's one or two sentences long, apart from my normal three or more. I'm not apoligizing for it being short, I'm just saying that that one post in particular was shorter than what I normally go for. Ran out of ideas for what to say, not enough to go off of from someone else's post to make something out of it, not in the mood, etc. I'm not saying my post is inadequit, just that it is shorter than what is the usual for me.
Title: Re: Attack of the Short-Posts?
Post by: OreoHeroz on October 19, 2013, 05:29:37 pm
Well I really don't like short-posts - it's not fair and they are really...short. You can't really make anything out of it, like take this for example: "The lizard stretched out on the rock"

Alright, so the lizard is on the rock. That's lovely. But could you please put some more detail into it? Yes, the lizard is on the rock, but where is the rock? What is the weather? Is it sleeping? Why is it there?

I mean, sure it's alright to be comfortable with how you roleplay, but some people take it the "wrong" way. I'm not sure how to explain this, but some people just put like: "She walked over and sat down." That is their post. Whole post; nothing else. I don't like the look of that, personally, because it's not descriptive enough. Yes, I am the kind of person that enjoys long paragraphs.

This was a little confusing to write out, so it's not very based on, but basically what I believe is that short posts are not approved by me.
Title: Re: Attack of the Short-Posts?
Post by: darkknight on October 19, 2013, 05:38:41 pm
I've always found the "short-posting" to be odd. You could make the longest role-play post in history, but if it doesn't tell a creative story and makes sense, what's the point? If you like to do multi-paragraph type role-playing and you happen to make one single sentence, it shouldn't be taken to such a apocalyptic scale. Especially if you're playing a game, patience is usually thin and people like to go ahead and say what is to be said or do.

To be fair, one-liners may not be my muse, but if you at least post in a way that is creative and story-driven, I have no mind. Like I said before, despite how long the post is, if it doesn't make sense, then that's where an apology would play in for the confusion.   
Title: Re: Attack of the Short-Posts?
Post by: meeeea on October 19, 2013, 05:46:36 pm
Short posts don't bother me at all, but those really short posts that aren't descriptive in any way make me shake my head a bit. OreoHeroz stated this a bit clearly. Let's say we have: "The cream wolf gently stretched out her front legs and trotted out into the clearing, perking her triangular ears up and sitting down onto the cold, dew-covered grass." This post might be short, but it's still pretty descriptive and nice to read, but: "The wolf sat down." We don't get anything from it. Yes, it did sit down, but what did it do before? Why did it sit down etc.
Title: Re: Attack of the Short-Posts?
Post by: AlphaEclipse on October 19, 2013, 06:14:59 pm
I get this also, especially when I use to join a RP group. Let me explain:

I once was roleplaying with a friend, and suddenly, a large pack of wolves surrounded us and put their 'smirk' emotes on. They continued to RP about, how if we don't leave their territory, they'll kill us, and how we are invading their space. But let me get to the point. They RP killed my friend and kept me alive because of my 'good' RP skills and how I was a good 'fighter'. (First they were using a 'language' known on FH called wolfspeak) And right when I made my first RP post:

Me: -Spends a lot of time to write a good RP paragraph-
Pack leader: No post cutting or short posts.

Number one, my post wasn't short, it went on to two whole posts. Secondly, someone posted RIGHT before me, we probably clicked enter at the same time. AND, do you want me to right a novel on my charrie sitting down? Yeah, I must agree, if you're in a battle or something, then you probably should write a nice paragraph, but if it's night and we are all resting, what am I suppose to say? Also, when I hold an RP, I don't mind if someone's charrie writes like 5 words. As long as it sums up everything they're doing.
Concise - Adjective; Expressing much in few[er] words; Clear and succinct (Source) (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/concise)
While detail can bring a lot to the table, and be quite stimulating for roleplay, there is nothing wrong with a concise roleplay post, especially when things are getting fast-paced, and you don't necessarily want everyone to spend 5+ minutes on their post.
Exactly. Heh, sorry if I went a bit off topic there, I just wanted to state what I think about short posts and 'post cutting'.
Title: Re: Attack of the Short-Posts?
Post by: kiaz1st on October 19, 2013, 06:29:21 pm
I find nothing wrong with short posts. As most of my characters, well, my favourite characters, are rogues, and they tend to meet allot of people, and all of them have their own rping styles, which means I've learned to adapt to all of these at any given moment. But I do agree, I tend to lean towards the more, descriptive, posts. There's nothing wrong with adding a few words after all.
Title: Re: Attack of the Short-Posts?
Post by: IcexWolf1 on October 19, 2013, 07:04:05 pm
I just don't favor short roleplay posts because you can't get anything out of it. "The wolf sat down." Good for it! But how am I supposed to respond to that?

Person: *Sits down on a rock*
Me: The wolf trotted towards the loner, her lanky legs striding gracefully over the flat terrain. Her electric lime green eyes, which seemed to glow in the rapidly approaching twilight, evaluated the canine perched upon the stone, her expression stolid.
Person: *Looks up*

It just gets boring when you have nothing to go off of. If you're only given one thing to respond to, you can only respond to that one thing, rather than multiple things. "Person" could have said something about looking up, the expression on their character's face, and even their character's thoughts about my character at first sight.  It's just hard to write more about something, when there isn't a whole lot to write about. I could go into a whole spheal about my character sitting down and watching the loner, but that's boring. :/ Need to throw something new into the mix. I could have just left it at "The wolf trotted towards the loner," but where's the sustenance in that?
Title: Re: Attack of the Short-Posts?
Post by: Killian on October 19, 2013, 08:45:30 pm
Ahhh, I do find it annoying when people think they need to type a whole paragraph to be deemed "literate", plus it annoys me when people are like "OMG shortshortshort o3o I'm sorry! ;.;"

I like short posts, three or four lines is fine, two lines isn't so bad. I dread the old "loooong poooost in proooogressss -c- mooooore looooongneesss -c- looooong -done-" THAT is annoying, we do not need to know your ear flicked and your tail swung around while you were talking to me. I just like to know what they are doing and what they are saying, I don't care to know if they blinked while they said it...

Posts are just starting to get bulked up with things like blinking, flicking, waving and windy fur these days. It's all the Wolf Speaking and how people bully "illiterates" and glorify long posts, act like if you aren't "literate" you should just get out.....

 
Title: Re: Attack of the Short-Posts?
Post by: Lady_Alizarin on October 19, 2013, 10:17:30 pm
Well I really don't like short-posts - it's not fair and they are really...short. You can't really make anything out of it, like take this for example: "The lizard stretched out on the rock"

Alright, so the lizard is on the rock. That's lovely. But could you please put some more detail into it? Yes, the lizard is on the rock, but where is the rock? What is the weather? Is it sleeping? Why is it there?

I mean, sure it's alright to be comfortable with how you roleplay, but some people take it the "wrong" way. I'm not sure how to explain this, but some people just put like: "She walked over and sat down." That is their post. Whole post; nothing else. I don't like the look of that, personally, because it's not descriptive enough. Yes, I am the kind of person that enjoys long paragraphs.

This was a little confusing to write out, so it's not very based on, but basically what I believe is that short posts are not approved by me.

I just don't favor short roleplay posts because you can't get anything out of it. "The wolf sat down." Good for it! But how am I supposed to respond to that?

Person: *Sits down on a rock*
Me: The wolf trotted towards the loner, her lanky legs striding gracefully over the flat terrain. Her electric lime green eyes, which seemed to glow in the rapidly approaching twilight, evaluated the canine perched upon the stone, her expression stolid.
Person: *Looks up*

It just gets boring when you have nothing to go off of. If you're only given one thing to respond to, you can only respond to that one thing, rather than multiple things. "Person" could have said something about looking up, the expression on their character's face, and even their character's thoughts about my character at first sight.  It's just hard to write more about something, when there isn't a whole lot to write about. I could go into a whole spheal about my character sitting down and watching the loner, but that's boring. :/ Need to throw something new into the mix. I could have just left it at "The wolf trotted towards the loner," but where's the sustenance in that?

Well we can't all be Ernest Hemmingway. Not everyone has the same roleplay skills or isn't as experienced as you. I've roleplayed with people who made posts just as short as the examples you gave. Some of them turned out to be fun and friendly, and became good roleplay buddies with me. And since I gave them a chance, they've improved their roleplay skills.




I really don't mind seeing short posts in a roleplay that is supposed to be "literate". I have seen people put the -s- at the end of their "short" post, even when the post was 3-4 sentences long. That post wasn't short! Not to me it wasn't. But I guess as far as they're concerned, a post that is less than 4 sentences or lines long is considered short.

When I roleplay, I try not be so long-winded with the posts I make. If I can't think of a nice "long" roleplay post to say, I'm not going to bother trying to make it look long and complicated. Me and my roleplay friends don't judge each other about it. I honestly don't mind if they make short posts because we do it all the time.
 
What I don't like is when people make a big deal out of it. "OMG that was so short!" or "That was too short. Make your posts longer," or "You're illiterate because your posts are short!" I especially don't like it when people get labeled as illiterate because their post is like 2-3 sentences long. They get called illiterate even if they used proper puncuatios, grammar, spelling, etc. Get over yourselves! It's not considered illiterate if you're using proper spelling, grammer, and punctuations!" It also doesn't give you the right to bully someone for making their post short and simple.  
Title: Re: Attack of the Short-Posts?
Post by: Jango_Fett on October 20, 2013, 12:26:30 am
I use short posts when I have nothing else to really go on, nothing is happening and I need some one to react or me react to them.
 
Title: Re: Attack of the Short-Posts?
Post by: WhiteLightHeart on October 20, 2013, 01:58:55 am
I really don't mind seeing short posts in a roleplay that is supposed to be "literate". I have seen people put the -s- at the end of their "short" post, even when the post was 3-4 sentences long. That post wasn't short! Not to me it wasn't. But I guess as far as they're concerned, a post that is less than 4 sentences or lines long is considered short.

When I roleplay, I try not be so long-winded with the posts I make. If I can't think of a nice "long" roleplay post to say, I'm not going to bother trying to make it look long and complicated. Me and my roleplay friends don't judge each other about it. I honestly don't mind if they make short posts because we do it all the time.
 
What I don't like is when people make a big deal out of it. "OMG that was so short!" or "That was too short. Make your posts longer," or "You're illiterate because your posts are short!" I especially don't like it when people get labeled as illiterate because their post is like 2-3 sentences long. They get called illiterate even if they used proper punctuations, grammar, spelling, etc. Get over yourselves! It's not considered illiterate if you're using proper spelling, grammar, and punctuations!" It also doesn't give you the right to bully someone for making their post short and simple.  
Arr, this was a lot of what I was getting at.

While the "the wolf sits down" RP posts aren't the most detailed things, and I agree that I would personally prefer more detail, there is of course the issue of experience to be acknowledged, there.

But what I'm getting at is when someone makes a 3-4 sentence post, and still considers it "obnoxiously short." If you have a lot to say, then by all means, it's wonderful to see the detail and story you can tell.
But there's no need to be heckled for it, if you aren't feeling up to a 10-paragraph post every now and then.
Title: Re: Attack of the Short-Posts?
Post by: SoulRevenge on October 20, 2013, 02:30:14 am
Without reading any of the comments above because I'm too lazy and watching a movie at the moment, I'm going to go right-ahead-on and type what I think about this.

In my opinion, 'short' posts are ridiculous.
  Need it be really neccesary to type even more than five 'FeralHeart' posts? As long as the content of the past doesn't ramble on to ridiculous lengths, I also see it as entirely suitable. In books, an author does not speak of how one thing happened. They do not go on and on about how someone ate a burger or a rabbit or something for three whole pages, thus it is not necessary to do so in roleplay. Now I understand that more experienced roleplayers might have longer-styled posts, considering it merely fits with their apparently 'hailed writing style', which gets praise merely because that's their style; and if it takes longer to describe something for them? Well I find that to be entirely okay. Just, if you really know you don't have much to say, because damnit; what's more to type other than thoughts, senses, or your own perspective on this? We likely needn't know what every part of your character's body is doing at the time of an action, anyway.
  
    As long as one can understand what's going on in their post, I really think people should realise there's nothing to apologise for. We can understand your post? Okay. That's what best-selling authors like Stephen King, J.K Rowling, and others do. Thoughts, emotions, actions, and senses are described; these are all not necessary to have a good, understandable post; just one suffices quite brilliantly in a reply or starter- because that makes it understandable.

  Point is, people shouldn't beat themselves up because it's short. You ever read a shorter story? Fanfiction, actual book, project for school, your own writing or a friend's? Short doesn't mean bad in all circumstances.

   And just to make this funny, let's take Levi Rivaille for example.
 He's only five feet tall.
  He can kill titans just fine. . . or this case cones.

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/3d8290bda0eebed93226ca63f28772ea/tumblr_mum9ps6wtt1s43dxyo2_500.gif)


Martin Freeman? Short, but he's good enough to be in a noodle commercial.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=viObxgZC1x8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=viObxgZC1x8)


But big is good too, of course. Take Sam Winchester (played by Jared Padalecki) for example.
 He's 6'4 but weoooo, look at this ball of sunshine.
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/7a0cd1810c387ba8074f797c153b8fd7/tumblr_muy54qnoeS1su101so1_500.jpg)
Title: Re: Attack of the Short-Posts?
Post by: peete on October 21, 2013, 12:56:32 am
I always wondered why my friends would get upset when they posted short posts. I'm just like, "Woah, chill out o-o". It's not like we're all english teachers that are going to scold you if you aren't descriptive or whatever. I hate it when I Rp and make like a 4 sentence post, and everyone else is like "Be more literate!". I'm being as literate as I can! Just not as literate as you are.

On the other hand, you could TECHNICALLY be in a roleplay where you only typed like 4 words per post, but I'm pretty sure most of us don't do that.
*Sleeps*
*Watches loner*
*Perks ears and wakes up*
*Runs*
(I totally would though, just for the heck of it.)
So I kind of understand what everyone is talking about...long comments @_@".
Title: Re: Attack of the Short-Posts?
Post by: Vacio on October 31, 2013, 09:00:48 am
I am perfectly fine with short posts as to length (Write them all the time... haha)
However I feel it is needless to add "-s-" at the end. I mean if it's a roleplay where just about everything is a really long post I kind of get it if you say "Sorry, short" or as an explanation that you just are not up to long posts today.

When someone writes a shorter post, although nothing is wrong with the post it just isn't over the top. kind of.. "say it like it is" kind of post I really feel there is no need to add "-s-" because everyone reading it can read it and tell how short or long it is. not that adding "-s-" is a bad thing, But it gets on my nerves. I'll still play with people who do it, but I'm not really sure why they feel so compelled to write that out for me.

As long as you can clearly understand the other users post, I'd say that's alright, as long as their post has enough so you can continue the roleplay, it's all right. some people also have a comfort zone, start small, go big.


But really, if your post is short, I can tell, you really don't have to spell it out for me.  :P
Title: Re: Attack of the Short-Posts?
Post by: kaya on October 31, 2013, 07:03:35 pm
Well since I don't really RP anymore, I can't say I've got a wide opinion on it... I myself surely prefer longer posts, but I understand if at that moment people just have no muse. I don't see the need to apologise, I doubt that a reasonable person would start attacking you for giving them a short post.

All in all, it's fine with me. I agree, don't be weighted by the idea of someone taking you as an illiterate person just because you're making short posts. If those are detailed posts, I don't see why anyone should mind. :3