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Title: Getting My Feels Out Here: 'Literates'
Post by: hugrf2 on June 17, 2014, 11:05:15 am
I'm sorry if this thread seems a bit sloppy, but I just want to get this out here... Sure, there might've been a few threads about this, otherwise feel free to lock this, moderators, if you feel the need to.

Now first; We're all seen those topics around the forum about literates and illiterates around FeralHeart, right? Doesn't it just disturb you?

You literally have no idea how much it disturbs me. Now on to the rant...

Do you 'literates' out there ever think, "Maybe they don't want to put so much effort into roleplaying so they can actually have FUN?!" Do you ever think "Maybe they just don't want to be so-called 'literate'?" No? Well, then do it. Because YOU, on the other hand, don't even know what 'illiterate' means! Need the definition? 'Ere you go, then.

"Full Definition of ILLITERATE 1 : having little or no education; especially : unable to read or write."

Well, doesn't that sound reasonable, hmm? But do you ever realize people might even become DEPRESSED when they want to roleplay, too, to escape reality and all you do is REJECT them for their skills? I mean come on, why does such a little thing disturb you? Sure, you can't see them as some big, fancy post that they whipped up like a book, but why does that really matter? Okay, sure, it's not always as fun and slightly stressful, but we can't get what we all want, can we? Plus, it's not all the time...

The thing I'm mostly angry about is that no one tends to roleplay with a friend of mine, who'd be considered illiterate because he simply puts no true effort in his posts because it feels like writing and essay, he says. And honestly, yes, it can be pretty awkward sometimes when you type up a big post and in response you get this small one, but can you just ignore it; It's not completely impossible, otherwise, you must have some serious anger issues.

Roleplay is something meant to escape reality and have fun with your friends, not a bunch of stressful judgmental crap to go through to fit in! This isn't the point of roleplay! Why is everyone turning against eachother over just a stupid thing that simply doesn't fit their style?!

Are 'illiterates' suddenly the outcasts of humanity now on the Internet?! "Ew, illiterate." I swear, if I gained a penny for every time I heard that I'd be rich by now - This is just too infuriating. And now people judging someone's literacy with their CHARACTERS?! Don't get me started. That's just... dumb. I'm sorry, it really is. Not trying to make labels here myself...

Now, before I flop over on my keyboard in this sudden rant because of how calm I usually am now that I'm tired, I think I'm just going to sum it up here.

Illiterates are not robots. They are living, breathing, human beings.

*Cough* I might've not made sense with everything here, but it's true, people can be saddened when no one wants to roleplay with them. Isn't fun to roleplay alone, no?

...Now just casually walk away, scarred for life by my derpy rant... Yeeeaahhhh...

EDIT: Please feel free to point out anything I may have said wrong, as I may have tried to add some humor in the wrong way here when I was tired. In no way am I addressing the fact "You must roleplay with illiterates" or "Illiterates must be allowed in all groups" (But sometimes they probably should be equal, so long as they don't powerplay if you know what I mean? <.<). I am simply saying that disrespect for 'illiterates' is really pointless, to be honest as my opinion, and I think people forget that they could be going through some real crap in real life.

Not good/pleasant enough? Well sorry, but I'm only twelve, you can't expect me to know everything on speech. I'm really sorry if I seemed bashful here, too, and as I stated several times moderators are free to lock this if it feels against the rules exactly. But in no way was I trying to bash on everyone; Mainly, I was trying to express my feelings out here so I don't bottle it up completely.
Title: Re: Getting My Feels Out Here: 'Literates'
Post by: unnbrellas on June 17, 2014, 12:13:47 pm
I pretty much agree, and don't have much to add. I've always hated the terms, and refuse to use them. I say experienced or beginner, and it works nicely.
Title: Re: Getting My Feels Out Here: 'Literates'
Post by: shayy on June 17, 2014, 01:02:41 pm
I agree with some of the things you put out there, yet I feel you are taking it too personally. Yes, some groups will only accept the "high and mighty" role players. And usually they are not even too great,  and just use wolf speak. But also when people open "illiterate" groups, it's does not mean that it is only for the people who are not too great at rping, it is for a less pressuring dramatic expirience.
And yes, I agree that it surprises me that some characters are declined their invitation because they don't "fit the part", yet that is part of being in a literate an realistic group.
Furthermore, I disagree with you opinion on that (what I feel like you are trying to express) that no type of role play group is better or worse than the other. They are separate ideas that are too different to compare.
Please quote me if you agree.
Note: not trying to sound rude or anything with what I have put out there, just expressing my ideas and thoughts on yours :)
~Shay
Title: Re: Getting My Feels Out Here: 'Literates'
Post by: xXQueenXx on June 17, 2014, 01:45:15 pm
Eh...

I'm not going to say that I don't agree with you, because I honestly do but...
Some people (not necessarily me) prefer to have their rps at a certain level of realistic-ness.  If that makes sense?  I mean I'm not trying so sound mean here or anything ;-; but whenever I host an 'advanced' rp (meaning there's quite a long or complicated background to it) and someone who doesn't look entirely realistic asks to join, I usually tend to ask for a rp sample.  
Don't judge meh.. xc

BUT THEN...

They'll normally say something like "Oh.. ok nvm then." Or something along those lines.  This has honestly happened to me so many times and it just proves that they can't/don't want to rp at all.  I'm not judging them or anything but if they want to have fun they shouldn't join a realistic, literate rp to begin with.  Rps are there to RP in, not to run around like a nyan cat. >:c
Title: Re: Getting My Feels Out Here: 'Literates'
Post by: hugrf2 on June 17, 2014, 02:04:28 pm
I agree with some of the things you put out there, yet I feel you are taking it too personally. Yes, some groups will only accept the "high and mighty" role players. And usually they are not even too great,  and just use wolf speak. But also when people open "illiterate" groups, it's does not mean that it is only for the people who are not too great at rping, it is for a less pressuring dramatic expirience.
And yes, I agree that it surprises me that some characters are declined their invitation because they don't "fit the part", yet that is part of being in a literate an realistic group.
Furthermore, I disagree with you opinion on that (what I feel like you are trying to express) that no type of role play group is better or worse than the other. They are separate ideas that are too different to compare.
Please quote me if you agree.
Note: not trying to sound rude or anything with what I have put out there, just expressing my ideas and thoughts on yours :)
~Shay

I'm either really tired or you didn't make sense, sorry if I sound rude. x'D I'm not saying literate roleplayers or anything are wrong or anything, I'm just pointing out that sometimes people shouldn't think of themselves as all high and mighty because they might hurt others around them a bit too much.

Also, personally? I'm just offended that people are being so rude sometimes to my friend here, and other players...? ouo

Eh...

I'm not going to say that I don't agree with you, because I honestly do but...
Some people (not necessarily me) prefer to have their rps at a certain level of realistic-ness.  If that makes sense?  I mean I'm not trying so sound mean here or anything ;-; but whenever I host an 'advanced' rp (meaning there's quite a long or complicated background to it) and someone who doesn't look entirely realistic asks to join, I usually tend to ask for a rp sample. 
Don't judge meh.. xc

BUT THEN...

They'll normally say something like "Oh.. ok nvm then." Or something along those lines.  This has honestly happened to me so many times and it just proves that they can't/don't want to rp at all.  I'm not judging them or anything but if they want to have fun they shouldn't join a realistic, literate rp to begin with.  Rps are there to RP in, not to run around like a nyan cat. >:c


I again, never said something was wrong with realism in roleplays? Yeah, 'literacy' can depend on stuff such as that, but... Let me clear some stuff up.

True, people can state labels on roleplays specifically, but I mean in general; Like, let's say someone is roleplaying in Local and would be considered an 'illiterate'. They want to roleplay with a 'literate' here, but can't because they get called down on it, so to speak. (Whoa huge terms I've never heard of) I mean, if that made sense.

Thanks for your opinions guys, though. I didn't get any sleep last night, so expect my brainless replies.
Title: Re: Getting My Feels Out Here: 'Literates'
Post by: shayy on June 17, 2014, 02:29:38 pm
I agree with some of the things you put out there, yet I feel you are taking it too personally. Yes, some groups will only accept the "high and mighty" role players. And usually they are not even too great,  and just use wolf speak. But also when people open "illiterate" groups, it's does not mean that it is only for the people who are not too great at rping, it is for a less pressuring dramatic expirience.
And yes, I agree that it surprises me that some characters are declined their invitation because they don't "fit the part", yet that is part of being in a literate an realistic group.
Furthermore, I disagree with you opinion on that (what I feel like you are trying to express) that no type of role play group is better or worse than the other. They are separate ideas that are too different to compare.
Please quote me if you agree.
Note: not trying to sound rude or anything with what I have put out there, just expressing my ideas and thoughts on yours :)
~Shay

I'm either really tired or you didn't make sense, sorry if I sound rude. x'D I'm not saying literate roleplayers or anything are wrong or anything, I'm just pointing out that sometimes people shouldn't think of themselves as all high and mighty because they might hurt others around them a bit too much.

Also, personally? I'm just offended that people are being so rude sometimes to my friend here, and other players...? ouo

Eh...

I'm not going to say that I don't agree with you, because I honestly do but...
Some people (not necessarily me) prefer to have their rps at a certain level of realistic-ness.  If that makes sense?  I mean I'm not trying so sound mean here or anything ;-; but whenever I host an 'advanced' rp (meaning there's quite a long or complicated background to it) and someone who doesn't look entirely realistic asks to join, I usually tend to ask for a rp sample. 
Don't judge meh.. xc

BUT THEN...

They'll normally say something like "Oh.. ok nvm then." Or something along those lines.  This has honestly happened to me so many times and it just proves that they can't/don't want to rp at all.  I'm not judging them or anything but if they want to have fun they shouldn't join a realistic, literate rp to begin with.  Rps are there to RP in, not to run around like a nyan cat. >:c


I again, never said something was wrong with realism in roleplays? Yeah, 'literacy' can depend on stuff such as that, but... Let me clear some stuff up.

True, people can state labels on roleplays specifically, but I mean in general; Like, let's say someone is roleplaying in Local and would be considered an 'illiterate'. They want to roleplay with a 'literate' here, but can't because they get called down on it, so to speak. (Whoa huge terms I've never heard of) I mean, if that made sense.

Thanks for your opinions guys, though. I didn't get any sleep last night, so expect my brainless replies.
XD, I read my post over and yes, it does not make much sense. And what I meant was that (I don't like) when people in literate an realistic act all high and mighty. :) sorry to heat that some were being rude to you/friends.
Title: Re: Getting My Feels Out Here: 'Literates'
Post by: Vespian on June 17, 2014, 02:31:53 pm
Pardon if I may sound blunt in my response, Ms. Hugrf. The fact that I haven't been feelin' too well as of late mayhaps have ticked my nerves a bit raw.

Let me put this as simply as I can while I address a few statements and provide my own opinion.

I found this offensive. Actually, I see this as bashin'. Try to calm down ma'dam. Refer to what Ms. Shay has stated.
I agree with some of the things you put out there, yet I feel you are taking it too personally.
I understand yer frustration. I really do. It agitates me as well whenever I see someone immediately prejudicin' another simply for their role-play preference or style. Whether it be novice, adept, even wolfspeak. If they're enjoyin' themselves while they're role-playin', that's all that really matters to me. I feel like this rant though is steppin' a bit over the borderline and actually is hypocritical in a few sentences.

This is the wrong path to saunter down on if what ye' really seek is equality between the members. I advise re-readin' all that ye' just posted. Ye' want equality? Don't let yer hatred fester and bend ye' to commit such actions, ma'am. Don't let yer temper rule ye'.

Every member prefers a differiency of styles when role-playin'. It's nothin' to show dislike upon no matter what the reason may be as long as the one(s) role-playin' are havin' fun and playin' fair. So what if they don't feel comfortable role-playin' around a few selected members? I'm like that. If neither party is doin' anythin', then where's the fire? If yer friend is bein' mistreated, tell 'em to gather screenshots and report it to the staff but if yer friend is just unable to find members to role-play with then perhaps they should look around. There's a wide variety of role-players out there to intermingle with. It's very unnecessary to hate on someone just for their own preferences yet if they are actually harrassin' yer friend, dependin' on the severity, that may be a different matter. This goes for any member.

Yet, the simple fact is:
The way ye' worded this rant was very uncalled for.

I bid ye' and yer friend luck, ma'am. If, at the very least, yer friend is lucky enough to know someone who is lookin' after 'em and who cares.

Feel free, anyone who reads this, to correct me if I've made a flaw with anythin' or if I've misread. I know most likely this post was all scrambled up. I apologize for that and if I may have sounded a bit brash. I'll probably add onto this or edit this when I'm not feelin' like my insides are implodin'.
Title: Re: Getting My Feels Out Here: 'Literates'
Post by: Jango_Fett on June 17, 2014, 03:28:47 pm
I.... Actually, don't have anything to add on there.

You summed it up quite nicely Hugrf.
 
Title: Re: Getting My Feels Out Here: 'Literates'
Post by: wolfdog01 on June 17, 2014, 03:35:31 pm
I have to agree with Vespian a bit, that was kinda harsh and it sounds like labeling if I read it right. I know that now the usual thing is that literates are judegmental, bossy, and rude just because a few people have made it that way and I've seen it first hand. Now yes, once or twice when a few people RP and they either use wolfspeak or they Capitalize Every First Letter In A Word, it does bug me.....a lot. But I'm good about holding it back. But now that I've read this I feel like I've been bashed for writing in paragraphs when I RP and that I'm too proper to RP with others, even though I am more than happy to adjust to almost any style.
It just feels like I've been labeled as a bad person is all. Not trying to sound rude though ^^; it just kinda hurt. And I know not all 'literates' are like this.
Title: Re: Getting My Feels Out Here: 'Literates'
Post by: Seijun on June 17, 2014, 03:52:02 pm
I would agree with this if you could just calm down a little.
Title: Re: Getting My Feels Out Here: 'Literates'
Post by: hugrf2 on June 17, 2014, 06:29:17 pm
 Oh, sorry if I sounded a little harsh, I'm calm, don't worry ^^' This is my first time ranting, so I felt I should start off angry, I guess. I'm so, so sorry if I came off that way, okay? I just wanted to find a way to explain, I guess. :x

Err... While I try to remember to reread my post so I can make it seem less mean to assure you I was brainless by then, no hard feelings, ja?
Title: Re: Getting My Feels Out Here: 'Literates'
Post by: wolfdog01 on June 17, 2014, 07:04:36 pm
Oh, sorry if I sounded a little harsh, I'm calm, don't worry ^^' This is my first time ranting, so I felt I should start off angry, I guess. I'm so, so sorry if I came off that way, okay? I just wanted to find a way to explain, I guess. :x

Err... While I try to remember to reread my post so I can make it seem less mean to assure you I was brainless by then, no hard feelings, ja?

You're fine don't worry ^^ it was a rant, we all have rants where we scream and such, it's just weird seeing someone so in rage about this o.o I mean I know it's upsetting to a lot of people but acted like you just wanted to choke anyone who did this lol
Title: Re: Getting My Feels Out Here: 'Literates'
Post by: Whisperingwaves on June 17, 2014, 09:04:12 pm
Although this states some very good information, I have a little thing to note. I dont mean to sound rude or blunt hun.

I would agree with this if you could just calm down a little.

This is true, yet, I understand her emotion of unease and anger from users placing labels on others due to their roleplaying abilities. She remained calm through most of her statement, therefore, she did prove a point, but, as stated before, it is understandable of anger and emotion felt to have a label placed on you due to your ability to roleplay.

Its sad to note members putting others down because they feel their roleplay skills and or abilitys are not suiting enough to match theirs, everyone has different ways of posting and or playing their role in the scene, its the members placing labels on them that may make them feel uncomfortable and angered in the situation. I roleplay with all levels and ways of users posting, and have seen such activity going on. It erks me, as it does the person being labeled or attacked. If harassment occours, it should be brought to the staffs attention. There is just no reason for labels to be placed on younger/less experienced roleplayers in such situation.

And again, this rant proves points, though, understandable unease has been shown. Sorry if I sounded rude, I tried not to ;o;

~ Whisper
Title: Re: Getting My Feels Out Here: 'Literates'
Post by: WildWolf#1 on June 17, 2014, 09:42:37 pm
Your fine love. I would've done the same thing, since whenever I keep strong feelings bottled up for too long I get this urge to spill it out on some else.
I couldn't agree with your rant more love, but I would've had more of an urge to reply reasonably if you maybe took a few of the caps and maybe made the rant sound pleasant.
But then again...
You're fine don't worry ^^ it was a rant, we all have rants where we scream and such, it's just weird seeing someone so in rage about this o.o I mean I know it's upsetting to a lot of people but acted like you just wanted to choke anyone who did this lol
I agree with Thyme. We all have a rant at least once in our lives and its good to see you are so passionate about this certain topic. Maybe next time pipe down the anger a little and people will kindly reply with their thoughts.
Good job love, I'd love to hear another of your rants in the future!
 
(I am extremely sorry if I sound like stuck up youknowtheword. It's bug season and I'm a tad bit irritated to be taking a day off school so I can avoid vomiting in someone's face)
 
Title: Re: Getting My Feels Out Here: 'Literates'
Post by: longjump on June 17, 2014, 10:38:20 pm
I know what you mean, but I also do understand that some people do prefer to have a certain level of effort in their rps. So, I guess it's all personal opinion as long as you're polite about it.
Title: Re: Getting My Feels Out Here: 'Literates'
Post by: ZombieKitteh on June 18, 2014, 01:11:33 am
Alright now what I'm going to say may offend some people, but please don't take this the wrong way.

I agree with some things you say. Judging others is wrong and I don't like seeing anyone bullied or harassed for their roleplay level/style. I don't insult people who don't roleplay like me and sometimes call others out that I see doing it and tell them to knock it off and be nice.

I however feel you're entire first post is bashing a certain roleplaying style and I don't think it's fair in the slightest. You defend one side while openingly insulting the other. But have you ever thought to look at the other side? Or I dunno the entire picture? Who are you to decide it's wrong for people to simply stick with roleplayers that roleplay the same style as them? As a 'literate' I find it hard to roleplay with those that.. don't roleplay like me. And again I don't bash or harass anyone. But have you ever really thought about it? I mean really thought about it?

Imagine you and your roleplay group is sitting around having a really fun roleplay. You're just chilling out with your pride (yeah lets go with lions) and people are getting a long. When suddenly out of no where a random lion comes into the area. You and your group continue roleplaying and then the lion proceeds to try to interact with you. You reply a simple post saying hello and asking if they needed something. In response you get:
"*growl and bites no miss*"

Uhm what? No. :I Now I know not all 'illiterates' are like that, but the majority I have seen are. The roleplay styles are too different and not even including possible realism or magical powers into this. I have literally tried to roleplay nicely with people on different 'levels' of roleplay then me. And it always turns out the same, I get powerplayed, auto-hit and it just gets really awkward.. Like- really awkward.

I can see it now.

"((You can't auto-hit me like that that's unfair..))"
"ok but my lion is a super muscled guy that as trained by his uncle who was also a demon"
"((Ah.. ok then..))"

So is it wrong of me to avoid people that don't roleplay similar to me? No. In general it's utterly confusing and ends up with a ton of headaches and frustration for me. So to avoid being snappy, mean and rude I simply try to bypass roleplaying with beginner roleplayers. It saves everyone the uneeded drama.
Title: Re: Getting My Feels Out Here: 'Literates'
Post by: SoulRevenge on June 18, 2014, 01:36:41 am
I don't know why people are telling you to calm down.   It was a frustratedly-expressed rant and I understand your reason behind that.  Calm-mannered or entirely and one-hundred per-cent reasonable threads and rants of such sort are hard to create whenever you feel so strongly of the subject.  Even something passive aggressive is hard to go by.

People likely felt personally offended or felt as if others might be upon reading this, but it was an unspecified rant towards unspecified individuals or groups addressing a legitimate problem within the Feral Heart community.  It wasn't the best way to present feelings against the problem, sure; but you did it regardless, and I honestly don't understand why people are calling you out and your wording and what-not.  Yes, it wasn't the most well-worded thing.  Yes, it very much did address 'all', as in a large majority of people who partake in bashing, and yes; it did not fully acknowledge reasons behind not wanting to roleplay with others (i.e: general discomfort was completely thrown aside, and you stated to ignore it.  No-one is obligated to do something they are uncomfortable with, even if it brings the other great joy or pleasure.)

  But otherwise?  Great flippin' job.  You addressed the problem that is 'literate' members (although I don't like to use the terms.  Things like 'users of paragraph-style' or 'script style' is so much more reasonable,and specifies that your literacy has nothing to do with how you roleplay.  It's just how you type) bashing 'illiterate' members.  You didn't do it in the best way possible, but you did a half heartedly, although on your side full-heartedly, attempt at it.  No-one should immediately frown upon another because of their typing style and say it to their faces or even suggest that they change because they don't like it or think it's ridiculous.  It's part of being a decent person; not insulting someone when they haven't done anything to purposely agitate or annoy you, whether accidental or not, because nothing they say is personally directed towards you.  

  But you worded your rant in a way that said 'you should have to roleplay with 'illiterates' (god I still hate that term) as to boost their general happiness level or something and make them feel included', when really, no-one here owns anyone anything, and when you make a large and organised group, it's just your own rules and preferences that put limitations on whether or not someone would be able to join.  If you don't have those, then you might as well let walrus into a turtle roleplay-- although I do admit that some people have ridiculously high standards.

  Either way, it's important to recognise that no-one owes anyone anything, no-one is obligated to continue or start a roleplay they don't want to continue or start, and no-one is obligated to treat someone especially nice because of the way they type or do the opposite of that and consider them a 'lower human being' because of their style when they have not done anything directly to you to cause you to publicly announce your judgements against them and to their faces.  And this goes both ways; from 'literates' to 'illiterates' and 'illiterates' to 'literates'.
Title: Re: Getting My Feels Out Here: 'Literates'
Post by: hugrf2 on June 18, 2014, 02:29:34 am
 Again, I appreciate your opinions and all, and I'll avoid saying "I started this at 7:00 AM in the morning, soo"... again after that. Now, I'm glad you're all being honest here; Yes, I might have bashed a little bit, but to no one in particular and if you think it's wrong still, moderators have the full right to lock this.

Also, I am in fact looking at the other side, but what I'm stating is people bullying illiterates is disturbing me the most, not powerplayers or anyone of that sort that come out of nowhere. Again, when I get home in about an hour I'll edit the first post here if it'd make you happy. In no way was this topic meant to bash on others out there, but to state some stuff that's been bugging me for a while.

I apologize If I misread anyone's post and again, feel free to lock this if you need to. Thanks for your opinions, though?

(Note: On a phone, so post is a little short and may be slightly... misunderstood. )
Title: Re: Getting My Feels Out Here: 'Literates'
Post by: Sandfury on June 18, 2014, 04:10:52 am
 There are some times when I sorta have to roleplay with 'illiterates'. Since I hop around in Bonfire a lot I have to roleplay with them. In Fluorite, I can roleplay with 'literates'.
(These terms seem unfair, so I am going to just use different terms: Literate=Advanced, Illiterate=Freestyle)
I honestly don't exactly LIKE Freestylers, but I don't go around saying "Omg you're so bad at rping."
When I was on my Night Fury, I was over at the Advanced side of Bonfire. (Elk, Horses, Humans galore!)
This Freestyle Lion came through and attacked someone, without permission. All the Advanced people ganged up on him, and he said:"This is why I don't like Feralheart! It's suppose to be FUN! It's all because of you guys I can't have it!"
 That person was INDEED right. Feralheart IS about fun, not judging people; like Hugrf (I believe) said. So I honestly don't know why we can't get along- or AT LEAST not judge each other because we don't Roleplay the same.

I bet you WERE "illiterate" too before you got better, RIGHT?

Even before coming to Feralheart, we all started somewhere- even I had to. Also, maybe these Freestylers are just hopping into the action. Why can't we let them join in on the fun?

Thus, concludes my side of the rant. (And my feelings on this- I can't type with these feels huehue)

Title: Re: Getting My Feels Out Here: 'Literates'
Post by: LordSuragaha on June 18, 2014, 05:03:13 am
I've really been trying to avoid this topic since it frustrates me to talk about it but I'm going to address a few things here before I go to bed.

First unless Huggy editted this thread before I read this I don't really see anything offensive. I don't see them bashing anyone. They are merely sharing their feelings.

Anyone who knows me well enough around the game knows that I get extremely offended when the terms literate and illiterate get thrown around. For one thing people aren't even using them correctly. It humors me when someone prides themself on being so called "literate" but keeps calling people who obviously can communicate well enough to be understood as "illiterates". I'm going to be honest with you all because I don't sugar coat my words or feelings so here goes...

The use of these terms in this community is total nonsense.

Did you read that right?

NONSENSE

Calling people illiterate based on their rping style is insensitive and rude. While not all the people who consider themselves as "literates" are bad people most of them use the terms like some kind of badge of power or greatness. It's like we're back in grade school again with the name calling and bullying. There is no need for such disgraceful behavior like what I've seen in game based on this whole who is literate and illiterate thing.

What users fail to see with this so called innocent labeling game is that using labels like this starts a trend in a community. It opens pathways to bullying and broken social orders. It starts to slowly chisel away at the core values of respect, and unity within the community. Users don't just use the word as a way of describing a person's rp skill anymore but rather a way to label someone as a noob and even shun them. Being labeled as an illiterate in this community is close to being called a noob or a troll. It's not a title that anyone likes to be called and for some it's quite hurtful.

The users who support the use of these terms need to reconsider exactly how calling others this would make them feel. Most of the users in this community are very young and easily impressionable. Perhaps they endure name calling and bullying already and come to a game like this one to escape that reality. The whole point of roleplaying is to step away from reality yet some users insist on making Feral Heart another hostile environment.

No user here can tell me that the use of these words is innocent or ever good. I've corrected a number of very rude "literate" rpers in game before because they get to a point where they act like nothing but snobs in game. This isn't to say they all are but sad to say most are. Often times these "literate" users mock the way "illiterates" rp or speak. They tell others to block the user or ignore them the moment they see their rp samples or conversations. They say that they are dumb kids or mock their education. Some even go so far as to sit about and openly mock these users when they rp together sometimes obnoxiously correcting their "horrible grammar".

This is just a small bit of what I encounter in just one day on one map:


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The whole idea & use of the words literate and illiterate are warped in this community. It's gotten to a point where many users don't even have the courage to approach others to ask to join rp groups because the majority of the so called literates, will eat them alive. What fun is a game where you have to constantly worry how you spell or how you formulate your sentences? This is not school. This is a game people.

I have rped numerous times in game and never once have I cared about a person's rp skills or so called "literacy" level. For me as long as you're imaginative, friendly, and looking for fun you're the perfect rp partner. I can't see what's so hard with opening up and rping with others of different skill levels. Never do I have a problem in my rps just because one user isn't as skilled a rper as the others. The rps are always fun. The whole excitement of life is encountering different people with different abilities. The better you can handle outside your own social bubble the better of a person you become, more interesting experiences you can have, and the more you learn. That's what this community is about. Not titles. Not skills. Not who can rp better or write longer paragraphs with more complex words. Not showing off ot grammar.... No

It's about fun. A community of smart different people getting together to have fun.

If some users don't want to rp with other users than fine. But why label people? Why make people feel like they are lacking in something or are less intelligent than others just because of how they speak or rp in chat?

No one here is perfect and everyone started some where even those that claim to be "literate" now. I miss the days when Feral Heart first started and rp groups were every where and I never ever saw this madness of who is "literate" & who is not. I'm disappointed with the way users approach rp these days.

Consider the Official Feral Heart RP Day. Think about what it represents and what we're trying to encourage. We strive to bring all users together for the fun of rp. New & old. More experienced & less experienced. Realistic, semi realistic, and fictional all together. It's a day where the whole community is encouraged to unite into one adventure. Never once do we exclude or judge another based on any traits yet alone literacy. I strongly believe that the theme of our Official RP Day shouldn't just be a one day thing... It should be an example of the way users should treat each other always.
Title: Re: Getting My Feels Out Here: 'Literates'
Post by: ZombieKitteh on June 19, 2014, 11:23:48 am
It's was edited, at least I think so anyways? I'm not saying there isn't a problem on the game dealing with this. Because there is and people in general can be rude. I don't like using the term illiterate and I'll admit I have used it before, more so when I first started actually getting into roleplay. You have to understand though both the terms 'literate' and 'illiterate' are used on other games and roleplay communities, not just FH. It'll be a hard habit to change and break for a lot of people. Personally I prefer calling people beginner roleplayers and use terms such as 'paragraph roleplay' and such. Though when advertising I do use the term literate simply for the fact it's easier to get the point across (in such a short character limit of movies).

Though the term 'illiterate' is rude in some cases it's not exactly wrong? When you're getting people roleplaying like this, I don't entirely see how it'd be a wrong term to use:

"*creys* y did mi pack leave me im so lone"

Now it's still not right to bash or be rude to anyone, even if they do roleplay like that. There's no excuse to be mean to someone. Still just stating using the term 'illiterate' in such cases isn't entirely too far fetched.

I do agree the game and roleplaying is about having fun. I love to see people come together for nice roleplays and chatter. I've even tried to help a few beginner roleplayers learn, which I feel more people should do. However fun you want people to have however, there's always those situations that are not fun.

How fun is it when out of nowhere you're character gets randomly attacked, killed or mauled in roleplay while you and some people are having a nice roleplay? "Oh but maybe it's fun for the other person.." Maybe they like to roleplay their characters being bad anuses that kill everything in sight, are the core of pure evil Mary Sue and amazing warriors. But how fun is it for the people that don't like that..? That were forced into a roleplay they don't want to be a part of or have their character forcibly killed or maimed? Sure they can go ahead and ignore it or be 'reborn' and pretend nothing happened. And sure sometimes that is pretty fun when it's done tastefully and you're talked to/asked OOC first. But sometimes it's not and people need to understand that.

Or how fun is it when the person you're trying to roleplay with has something bad happen to them dramatically every other post. They fall and break a leg, they almost drown in a lake. Oh no now they're being mauled by a zebra!

I'm with the whole everyone should come together to have fun and such. But there also has to be some sort of understanding that sometimes separating roleplay styles and types is a good thing.
Title: Re: Getting My Feels Out Here: 'Literates'
Post by: hugrf2 on June 19, 2014, 11:54:22 am
I still think you're misunderstanding what I'm trying to state here, unless I've missed something I typed out and probably should've edited alongside what I've said here exactly. But where did I say roleplaying with these people are supposed to happen?

Or the terms are bad to use exactly? I mainly said that it's incorrect; Yes, I know it's all over the internet, and no, I'm not trying to change anything as again, this is how I feel about things that 'illiterates' are being slightly too outcasted sometimes, if that's a word.

Sure, I'm saying it in a way that may sound like I'm spitting it out like it's wrong here even, but I never said people should stop it either unless they're going to say "Ew, it's an illiterate" or some sort. If I did, then... Well okay. ouo' Now you understand I'm lazy, haha.

I could've misread your post slightly too, Zombie...

And yes, I did in fact edit the post a bit. I did find some rageful stuff to edit, and even tried to clear some stuff up as you can see...
Title: Re: Getting My Feels Out Here: 'Literates'
Post by: LordSuragaha on June 19, 2014, 12:58:41 pm
I don't think Zombie directed their entire comment just towards you Huggy but rather it's a general comment to several of the other points made here by us. Going on though to what you said here Zombie:

How fun is it when out of nowhere you're character gets randomly attacked, killed or mauled in roleplay while you and some people are having a nice roleplay? "Oh but maybe it's fun for the other person.." Maybe they like to roleplay their characters being bad anuses that kill everything in sight, are the core of pure evil Mary Sue and amazing warriors. But how fun is it for the people that don't like that..? That were forced into a roleplay they don't want to be a part of or have their character forcibly killed or maimed? Sure they can go ahead and ignore it or be 'reborn' and pretend nothing happened. And sure sometimes that is pretty fun when it's done tastefully and you're talked to/asked OOC first. But sometimes it's not and people need to understand that.

Or how fun is it when the person you're trying to roleplay with has something bad happen to them dramatically every other post. They fall and break a leg, they almost drown in a lake. Oh no now they're being mauled by a zebra!

I'm with the whole everyone should come together to have fun and such. But there also has to be some sort of understanding that sometimes separating roleplay styles and types is a good thing.

Yes I agree that it can be quite distracting when you're rping with your particular group and someone comes and starts the random killing of your character etc. I have encountered those types of people before but usually depending our rp theme I either ask if they want to join our rp, ignore them, or just block them temporarily for the time while we rp if their just to rude etc. These people however are power playing. I don't see why everyone seems to think that everyone who is a so called "illiterate" is a power player etc because that's not always the case. Same as the drama type characters who like to get attacked or end up in danger in every other rp line of theirs. I've seen plenty of the "literate" types do this as well. It's hard to really get people who will just totally follow the rp theme regardless if you're trying to limit the choices down by picking out "literates" from so called "illiterates". The point is though that we don't always have to rp with every user if we don't like their style but it's better to be honest and say I'm not into that rp style rather than calling people out as illiterate etc. People can say they like long style rping or short style rping. You can say you prefer realistic instead of fantasy or comic rp. Or you like simple or advanced style rping. It's a way more polite way of addressing things than plain out saying "literate" and making it seem like anything below your style is "illiterate" etc.

Yes some other communities use the term "illiterate" and "literate" sadly but it's not hard at all to shake the habit. Our community is not as large as some others. Trends catch on fast around here if enough people start to practice new techniques. Example the Mate Center & Adoption Centers. Those have become a trend that people follow and mostly keep in Bonfire. Same can go for ending the use of these terms "literate" and "illiterate". While not everyone will stop using it we can at least get the majority to stop and pick better wording. It all comes down to trying something new and caring. As a community we can come up with new less offense words to describe our rp styles. It's not hard or impossible to do at all. If even one group starts using new less offensive terms that's a lot more progress than now.
Title: Re: Getting My Feels Out Here: 'Literates'
Post by: shayy on June 19, 2014, 01:06:27 pm
 I feel like you put your feelings out there nicely Hugrf. ;)
Title: Re: Getting My Feels Out Here: 'Literates'
Post by: gIittergore on June 28, 2014, 12:07:06 am
I totally agree with you on this, but one or two simple things.
Like you've said, some people don't put any effort at all into their roleplays. I do try and accept roleplaying with beginners, but I tend to try and avoid them because the majority of them are powerplayers. Yes, I understand they're new and don't understand there are some rules they need to follow in order to be accepted. Another thing associated with that is some people don't like people because of their characters since they come off to be illiterates. I understand if one person makes a neon character and it's from a fandom or something, but your regular sparkledog isn't popularly accepted since they usually have bad grammar, and like I've said, they powerplay.
Title: Re: Getting My Feels Out Here: 'Literates'
Post by: Roniver on June 28, 2014, 02:55:47 am
Sorry, Exclone! I just have a bad personality for that stuff.. Was Dark getting depressed..?
Title: Re: Getting My Feels Out Here: 'Literates'
Post by: hugrf2 on June 28, 2014, 03:43:46 pm
Sorry, Exclone! I just have a bad personality for that stuff.. Was Dark getting depressed..?

Other people have pretty much been bullying him in and out of reality, so he was always getting depressed about that stuff, I guess. It's not fully your fault, though, and completely understandable; At least you weren't yelling at him to leave the roleplay.

I forgive ya, but again, I'm probably not the one you should be apologizing to. ^^' Anyway... coughpetseveryoneinappreciationoftheiropinionscough
Title: Re: Getting My Feels Out Here: 'Literates'
Post by: Dirrane on July 01, 2014, 07:13:52 pm
Ah, lads, she wasn't bashing them too bad, just stating her opinion like you are stating yours. And what do I exactly think of this? I don't have much to add, but might as well. Well, when you create a roleplay and label it a little 'literate' or realistic, I usually get a tiny bit ticked off when a nyan cat wanders up and sais omg can i join liek pls. I probably would ask them for a roleplay sample, not even for huge paragraphs or anything, but just nice, clear grammar and punctuation. I mean, it's not exactly very funny when you see someone trying to tidy up their posts a wee bit and then see someone else ramble on and on with no full stops or anything. It's a bit like, ''hey, are you breathing?'' Although, you shouldn't judge anyone or call someone out for a little mistake, so as to hurt their feelings. Just like Hugrf said, they are real, living, breathing humans too. If ye' have something against them, don't yell or gossip, just kindly keep it to yourself. I actively roleplay with people some call 'illiterate,' although it can be a little hard to get them at first. I would like to see people putting some effort in though. All it takes is a little punctuation, not an English dictionary. It even makes the post look better. It does get a little hard when they don't exactly get what you're saying, or the opposite way around. I mean, when they say, ''hello how are you said the wolf follow me'' it gets a bit.. I don't know. All it takes is a little bit, aha. I might pop in the difference between punctuational posts and the opposite. Actually, I'm rambling on, aren't I? Can't stop typing..

''hello how are u said the wolf follow me''
''Hello, how are you?'' the wolf said calmly. ''Follow me.''

The wolf ran on and on through the trees jumping over the rocks and stones panting heavily and listening to everything
The frightened wolf dashed on and on through the forest, leaping over rocks and stones while panting heavily. Although tired, it was alert and listened to all surrounding noises.

''run said the wolf'' its not safe he growled and bared teeth as the lion came closer
''Run!'' yelled the wolf. ''It's not safe,'' he growled and bared his teeth as the feline neared.

I don't think anything in my comment is bashing or anything. If you're offended, then sorry, but I definitely wrote this on a happy note. cx