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We all know that ingame groups can be fun, but sometimes annoying. I think its annoying when your the Alpha and people call you things that you never respond to.
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Well to me the most annoying thing about Feral heart groups is that eaven if they start swearing you can't report them or anything.
Plus if your the ''newbie'' in the group, you just randomly sit near them while they're chatting. So basically no one is paying any attention to you. I think that is really rude, I mean I joined your group to make new friends and do a good roleplay not to sit beside you and take screenshots of 'ohlooknothingisgoingon'..
I also 'hate' when I join a group and no one says at least 'hi' or 'welcome'. This gives their group a bad reputation at the begining.
One more thing I dislike about feral heart groups is when they think their group is the best one in the world. I do understand they love eachothers and they are like a family or something, but seriously, you don't need to brag so much about it, there are also many new groups that would like to have members!
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The most annoying this about groups? Whenever groups decide that you should join and constantly spam group invites until you accept it. -.- I mean, at least ask first. Geez.
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Most annoying? Um, I wouldn't put it that way but I don't like how everyone sucks up to the alpha to get high ranks. I mean like jeez, I saw something and they agree nearly instantly. Every. Single. Time.
But w/e what do I know? Pfft. Well yeah, that's it basically for me. ouo
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I'd say the most annoying thing about groups is the fact that so many people will be left out, particularly in larger groups. They just stay in the background and roleplay by themselves, trying pretty desperately to get someone to roleplay with them by creating their own drama or something. I am usually this person, just wandering off in the back roleplaying my own characters, and it's very annoying.
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What I have found that is the most irritating is when as, Yognaught stated above me, users suck up to the Alpha just to get a higher rank, status or reputation, for that matter. This is quite unfair, for there are thee loyal members of the group that are much more enthusiastic about earning rather then begging.
There be me' two cents on thy subject.
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Vespian dislikes how in almost every group, unneeded drama arises. This is typically caused by:
Users bringing IC drama into OOC
The Alpha/creators of the role-play don't have a firm command of their members; thus, end up walked upon/manipulated
They waltz around thinkin' that they own everythin' just because they're a popular group
etc.
This riles Vespian's nerves and is the main reason why I scarcely join role-play groups anymore. Don't get me wrong, some groups are not like this so I'm not addressin' this to all. Only those that I've witnessed throughout my years of FeralHeart life. I don't mind IC drama at all (lord knows Vespian's full of it) but what I do mind is users takin' what was supposed to be a time of fun and thrivin' imagination close to heart and then hurt/ticked emotions fly every which way. Hatred, despair, irritation, selfish greed, etc. Vespian's heart cannot withstand all the tension there nor can my tolerance.
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The most annoying things in a group I can think of would be pride, drama, and leadership. (Hm, now that I think about it, I want to start something, this is going to be called, The P.D.L. of Feral Heart groups. Yeah, I wanna see if this catches on.)
The pride in a group can sometimes be over-the-top or just unnecessary. As Yognaught and Okami maintained about the sucking up to an alpha, this can be included into the pride scenario as well. People who feel the need to agree with anything and everything the leader says can be silly. There are plenty of times they could be corrected for their behavior or ideas, even I have had very interesting advice from my own members when I start a group. To be fair, I don't entirely blame the leader for this, I look at the members who encourage it.
Added to pride, I dislike how some people thing they're better than everyone else because of their species, role-play style, and ect. We join groups to interact with others in the intention to have fun. Not to compete over the out-of-character nonsense. Whether you're a wolf or a blob of slime, a newbie or an experienced member of the community, this pride is unhealthy.
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Now to drama, in short, is going to happen. Yes, there are times you'll be lonely and want someone to play with you. Yes, there will be times when you have a bad day and want to talk about it out-of-character. However, if there is really something you want to change or let people be aware of, just say it.
For example, if you notice there is many people online in your group and you don't feel like you're pitching in, just tell them. Don't be over dramatic and "kill" your character, wrecking the mood of the role-play. Just let them know you're feeling left out. Understand, when people are engaged, they usually don't notice other people straight away. Pointing yourself out is the best and friendly way to go.
In real-life drama, of course, is different. If you've had a bad day or someone has hurt you, don't get online. If you want to be alone, don't get online. If your dog has died, don't get online. If you broke your ear because a kid thought it would be funny to hit you with a bat, don't get online. It's alright to be away from people for a while until you feel you're comfortable sharing about it later on with your group (if you feel you need to). However, just ranting about it to others is rude and inconsiderate.
Again, understand, no one want to be sad or angry. Once you bring this drama, now everyone's day has been dampened and people who want to say something can't. Mainly because they feel like it would be rude, when ironically, you're the one being rude. It's not fair to your group members and it's not fair to you to have friends expecting drama from you. Tone it down, spend some time away, don't get online.
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Leadership, the one we've been waiting for. I say leadership not for in-character purposes mainly because you can be whatever as a leader, a jerk, a noble one, whatever. I mean, out-of-character wise in leadership. We like to host groups, it's fun if done right. Whether it's for a short term or long term. For this instance, I'm talking about leaders who don't fit into the "lead" in leader.
When I think of a person of example in a group and it's expected to be, I observe the leader. Why, because they're a reflection of the overall group. You'll have leaders of their members who are friendly towards their players and encourage consideration of others. Then there are leaders who behave as bad as the occasional troll. I've joined a few groups that had this type of leader and it's often embarrassing. Not only are they representing themselves, but their group also. If you want to be in a leading role, do it as it should be. Be the bigger person in the occasional problem or misunderstanding. In-character leadership is easy, out-of-character, it takes some work.
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I agree with everything that has been said above. One annoying person is irritating, but then you get a whole group of them together and you want to tear your hair (or your roleplay character's fur) out. One thing I've found annoying in groups is excessively long roleplay posts. I've seen people making individual roleplay posts up to 4 or 5 chat posts long. Now, I don't mind this occasionally, but there are people who do this with EVERY roleplay post! Then they label someone a bad roleplayer for accidentally post-cutting, but, even when the other roleplayer waits, they never get a chance to post their own roleplay. I think it is very inconsiderate because it excludes other members of the group so some people can showcase their so-called "roleplay skills." Also, it sets the wrong standards for good roleplay (as in, long=good). I like to keep my roleplay posts short and simple, but apparently that isn't good enough. Oh, I accidentally let this turn into a rant, didn't I?
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The thing that I really get annoyed with groups are the ROLEPLAYING. I mean really? Just because your not literate you cant join a group?! And then you have to send a ROLEPLAY REVIEW? What the heck?! It's annoying. Also, another annoying thing is that you have to have like certain PRESETS and ITEM PACKS and MASS MARKINGS.. Its annoying? What if you can't download them? Boom. Kicked. From. Group. >:(
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I agree with the statement above, I mean some people are technologically challenged and can't figure out how to download the markings and item packs. Or maybe their computers can't handle the capacity of the markings or the item packs (me.) in the game.
I also dislike that some groups seem so cool, and you have to go through a big long roleplay sample to join, and you have to wait to be approved by three or more leaders, and then they just go quiet. The leader(s) aren't on, or no one in the group is ever on, or they're all on just on different characters. I mean I understand they're liable to have more than that one character, but if you're a leader of a group like that, you kinda need to keep track of when your members are online and try to be on to give everyone an opportunity to roleplay, and same with just the normal members.
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Hmmm....I think the most annoying thing bout groups is getting ignored like Turtle said, or the drama, like Vesp said. I cannot remember the last time I was in a group tho...so... o3o...Idk just how bad some of the groups have gotten. I know there are too many groups though when I search them and I know that over half of them are probably not used a lot because people are offline so often, the RP died because no one was interested, etc. Oh, but another thing is when you join an RP specific group and all they do is talk IC....that....bugs me....
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The thing that I really get annoyed with groups are the ROLEPLAYING. I mean really? Just because your not literate you cant join a group?! And then you have to send a ROLEPLAY REVIEW? What the heck?! It's annoying. Also, another annoying thing is that you have to have like certain PRESETS and ITEM PACKS and MASS MARKINGS.. Its annoying? What if you can't download them? Boom. Kicked. From. Group. >:(
(Sorry for butting in, I just felt like I needed to mention this!)
The thing is, some people just prefer RPing with people who are literate, or at least about the same skill level as they are. Most of the time nobody really has anything against you- they'd just like more detail or the like. The RP sample is to tell if you're about the same level as them. There are plenty of semi-lit RPs around, you've just gotta catch em on at the same time. Same with the items/markings; most of the time you can't see some of the group's characters if you don't have the item packs.
Again, sorry for butting in, I just wanted to say that it's not supposed to be rude, it's just a preference. ^^
As for what I think is the most annoying? Definitely the fact that most groups rarely have people on. I don't remember where I saw it, but someone once said that a lot of groups are advertised as active, and then you get on, and... nobody's ever on. Even at the advertised most active times. Along with feeling excluded considering I enjoy playing loner-type characters (being somewhat of a loner myself), it can get a bit frustrating sometimes, like you've gotta fight and be lucky to strike up an RP. And even then, when people are online, they're RPing with others... Idk, it just bugs me sometimes.
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Hmm, I agree with FoyTheFox as I've been in two big packs and at first when I joined then
They just sat in their little groups and totally ignored me like I weren't there!
Also when we have to rp and everyone seems so good at it using wolf speak and your there just listening to them and thinking how bad at role playing you are even though that you got past the Role-play sample.
The pressure ~
I preference usaly making up my own pack and let people join it since then I won't be left out
And not talked to ~ As for new recruits I try and interact with them as much as possible so that they'll get used to
Us and interact with me and the rest without being asked to ~ Then again, whenever I try and make a pack with a good bio and forums, nobody joins! I know that it'll take some time for people to gain interest and join, but I've been waiting for ages ~
My only pack which was successful was like 2 years ago when I was still a bit of a 'noob' to the whole game.
I made the usal hyena markings and black fur and underfur character (don't make them anymore ~ ) and somehow got loads of people to join it ' UnfortinTely after a while I deleted a lot of my nooby characters Inorder to replace them with
My newer and cooler ones. So I lost the pack <~>
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Well this is a very annoying thing about owning and maintaining a group.
So I have a very unique group (as you can see in my siggy, ehe) and we've been here for about a year and after lots of maintenance and hard work we're thinking about starting to recruit again and get into the more popular tier in group standings.
However, the cookie-cutter Clans and packs suck all the members up and we hardly get any interest whenever we visit SB. (Not bashing Clans or packs, they're great and all and some of them are pretty interesting but honestly it's so much of the same thing over and over again)
I just dislike how people don't appreciate originality most of the time.
Also, I dislike how people join and then never show up again. I mean, if you're going to go through the effort of creating a character in order to join a group, at least try to be active. If you join and figure out it wasn't such a good idea and you don't really like the group once you've seen more of it, just politely and discreetly leave. Don't just... never sign on again...
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I get irritated with people who are staff in the group and think they can be jerks because they have a whole group on their side. And the bad thing is, they get away with it too. They can be rude, and you can be rude back, and you'll get in trouble because you're the minority. I don't think its fair at all.
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Plotted Rps.
Now when I mean those, I mean the ones that are so well plotted and the leaders have a clear idea of what happens, it means that some characters get overlooked or ignored and sometimes kicked for trying to change the direction of it! It drives me up the wall!
Rumble, OUT!
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Vespian dislikes how in almost every group, unneeded drama arises. This is typically caused by:
Users bringing IC drama into OOC
The Alpha/creators of the role-play don't have a firm command of their members; thus, end up walked upon/manipulated
They waltz around thinkin' that they own everythin' just because they're a popular group
etc.
This riles Vespian's nerves and is the main reason why I scarcely join role-play groups anymore. Don't get me wrong, some groups are not like this so I'm not addressin' this to all. Only those that I've witnessed throughout my years of FeralHeart life. I don't mind IC drama at all (lord knows Vespian's full of it) but what I do mind is users takin' what was supposed to be a time of fun and thrivin' imagination close to heart and then hurt/ticked emotions fly every which way. Hatred, despair, irritation, selfish greed, etc. Vespian's heart cannot withstand all the tension there nor can my tolerance.
I 100% agree with Vespy. I dislike that in groups as well, and in all honesty I just tend to not join groups unless I have to. I mean if I wanna role-play I just go to the current groups I am in, and know that drama can be taken care of easily. Other than that I don't even do much anymore. I just sit about in the game running about helping players. ^^
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I honestly can't stand joining a group. You have a nice start, everyone's welcoming, you have a nice roleplay. but the next day, everyone's inactive and no one ever comes back to roleplay or check back on the group. Without warning the new group I've joined is inactive.. And sometimes when you join a new group no one really notices you are listens to what you're saying, they say welcome and that's sometimes just it.
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This is mostly the reasons as to why I just run about on my strictly OOC characters, and enjoy just hanging out with my friends. Or I go to a role-play I know is active. Other than that I just enjoy my OOCness ^^
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The most active group i'm in is the Benevolent Wolf Pack, because there's members from a lot of different countrys
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I must agree, but I rarely do wolf rp's anymore. ^^;
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This is one reason why I don't join "big" or "popular" groups.
Usually when I join, they're first all like "Welcome [Character Name]!" and go back to chatting.
Then when I start chatting, they either go silent or just simply kick me out. *-*
Like, what the crap.
And usually when I make a group, go to the stone bridge and advertise, people try to cover my ad's and movies up like they all hate me for some sort of reason.
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Oh, I've waited for this!
I also agree with most of the things everyone above me said.
I'll just explain myself now:
1. Literacy
Okay, so, you are a person with huge vocabulary. You know the anatomy of the creature you're playing, you know a lot of adjectives, you know how to describe to the slightest detail (by using 'You', I'm not referring to neither one of you; I'm simply explaining myself, so don't get me wrong). But why using them all the time? Some people don't know as much words as you, or don't know their meaning because their native language is not english (here I'm referring to the fellow floofs who, same as me, don't know english perfectly). And those 5-pharagraph-long posts just torture me, as well as those twisted words. I mean, why wolfspeak?! Can't you use normal language which is understandable by everyone? It doesn't make you look smarter. It is simply showing off, which is not smart at all.
I've noticed that, unfortunately to some people who agree with me, most groups now are the so-called 'strictly literate' and use wolfspeak all the time. Whenever I join a group of such (although I strive to avoid it), I'm just sitting away from the rest, reading without understanding most things, and patiently waiting to post, but rarely getting the chance to. Therefore, not having fun at all, which is the purpose of a group in Feral Heart. This limits the chances of me joining a group at all.
2. Inactivity
It's simple. People who join a group, saying they're going to be active, and then don't appear for days. That's why I always warn people who join my groups that they either come at least, let's say, four times a week, or I'm kicking them out. I rarely ever create groups, though.
I also really dislike when people don't have the patience to wait for new members, when the roleplay will begin. I mean, my group is brand new and you're the first person to join. You need to wait so I can gather new members and the group becomes big. They're all like, 'okay', and the next day I see they've left the group. How is my group going to work, if every first person who joins leaves only a day after (well, I guess there just have to be more than just one person to join at a time, but sometimes, we all know it is very hard)?
3. Too complex
Some groups in Feral Heart are way too complex, serious and detailed. I agree with maps, but some groups have more than just one, or the creatures have a specific territory which is strictly limited. I could stand that, too, but then there's literacy requirement (and mostly you need to be 'strictly literate', as stated above), as well as specific appearance of your character, too serious rules and everything becomes just a bit too much.
Seriously, I sometimes miss the times when everything was so simple, you create a wolf pack and accept everyone, have all types of literacies and actually DO have fun. I've stayed the longest in packs of such. Now most people are way too serious. Like, come on, this is a game, we're supposed to have fun with everyone and anywhere. This includes both roleplaying or just derping around.
I also dislike when whenever I join a group first, everyone is just chatting and 'having fun', as the leader said the group is roleplaying. I've waited, and waited, and waited so long, but everyone continues to chat and I don't see roleplay at all. And I've joined to roleplay, after all. Yes, making friends and everything, I agree, but I dislike when some groups do this all the time.
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Summing up, I think having a too complex group, where everything is strictly determined, can be pretty hard. I think only very responsible, kind, considerate and active people can lead a nice group of such and make it successful.
I know my qualities and I don't think I'm responsible, not at all, so I don't ever create groups. If I happen do so, it is going to be a simple wolf pack. I've tried making a major and a bit complex roleplay, but I failed due to my irresponsibility.
Now I avoid joining groups and prefer to roleplay with one person. If I join a group, I want it to be nice, simple, I don't mind a map or a site, it's actually a bonus. I just don't want the leader to expect from me to stay all-day long online, or roleplay however they want me to.
P.S. Excuse me for my poor english and possible grammar mistakes!
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Wolfspeak
Peroid.