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Okay, this is a rant and a shoutout to any players out there who are like this to STOP.
So, I'm sure we've all been in a situation where someone in a group, staff or not, is unnecessarily rude and/or over-authorative.I think this should be considered as harassment or bullying, because it's not fair to anyone.
I recently joined the group Clans of New Beginnings (a WC group) and in the chat i said "heehee" and one of the staff calls me out and says, "can you not say heehee? It's kinda rude, or it sounds like you're spying..." Okay, first of all, who are you to tell me what I can and can't say? I have freedom of speech and saying "heehee" Is not breaking any feral heart rules.
Next, I get called out for trying to start a semi-circle. lol, let me explain. We were in a WC group and there was a meeting called, and we were waiting for everyone to arrive. Everyone was really bunched up and I thought, 'I bet we could make this pretty.' So i'm like, "guys lets form a semicircle, it'll look super cool" And the staff jumps on me (the same one) and says,
"Dapple."
"No."
And I was like.....excuse me? What...what am I even doing wrong? Are you KIDDING ME? I swear, types of people like this just love to wallow in their little staff title and boss people around and it is not cool.
What happened next is probably the most controversial point i'll make in this rant.
I was sitting in the camp for my WC clan, and I realized, whah, this is a pretty big map with loads of portals and places to explore! I totally want to see it all! And so I say, "i'm gonna go explore the map, brb"
(this was a private map, owned by the group leader.)
Now, the SAME STAFF MEMBER says "You can't do that, you're risking a WAR between the clans"
And i say, "no, like, OOC. Just to look around for a bit."
And she responds, "Still, you need permission from the admins to see anything outside our territory. And If we have a war, we know who to blame."
....woah, woah woah, hold up. Hold up. I just wanna see the map, dude. And thats how I respond: "What? I can't even look OOC? #lame"
And then she goes OFF on me. "No, you need to respect me because I'm staff and you need to read the ruled hun. So stop being an @ss and respect the staff, please. You need to take a look at our rules, hun."
ALSO another thing that bothers me: People start jumping in and repeating what she says, trying to be relevant, ganging up on me! Like, YOU WERENT EVEN IN THE ORIGINAL DISCUSSION, YOURE JUST KISSING UP. YOU BARELY EVEN KNOW WHAT HAPPENED, SAVE THAT YOU SEE THE STAFF BOSSING SOMEONE AROUND AND YOU JUST /HAVE/ TO JUMP IN, THINK YOURE IMPORTANT, HUH?
UGH.
And pretty soon, everyone is mad, telling everyone to shut up so that the staff can talk.
And if i retort in any way, I'm rude and disrespectful. I'm not even allowed to DEFEND MYSELF? That's not fair. And everyone thinks theyre so great because they side with the staff, echo the staff. Well, it's not okay.
needless to say, I got them back pretty well... ;)
But what do you guys think? Have you been in situations like this? Do you think the staff has the right to do this, or are they harassing? What should be done about this? This is a very real problem, because i've seen it in multiple groups, and i want to know what you guys think should be done about it.
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leave the roleplay
problem solved
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I'm assuming you mean 'staff' as in the leaders in a group. The actual staff in the game would never care about forming a semi circle or something like that.
I agree with OhKelseyYou, just leave the roleplay. They shouldn't treat you like that, and people like that are going to prevent you from having any fun in the rp.
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Indeed I can relate to some of the things you've mentioned here. It's a big reason why I don't join anyone's roleplays anymore unless they are close friends or the roleplay is of my own creation.
Some users really let their position of authority go to their heads. The whole part about you not being able to explore the map out of character is ridiculous. Some people get too into their Roleplay to the point where they can't seperate themself from it to clearly distinguish the difference between roleplaying and out of character behavior & conversation. I strongly believe that you should have been able to explore the map. Perhaps this group was going for realism but they were wrong when they addressed you so rudely about it. I believe that the group leader(s) you were dealing with are probably just really immature.
I can relate to the semi circle thing as well since I've given group leaders suggestions in the past only to have my face bitten off. It really all comes down to the maturity level of these group leaders xD There's nothing wrong with making and taking suggestions that may improve the roleplay experience. In cases like these I just leave the group and don't even bother to waste my time arguing with them. It's really unfortunate when the roleplay group's plot seems interesting but those in charge are total jerks. I've ended up leaving numerous awesome roleplays just because the group leaders are rude and immature.
I'm sorry that you had to have such a terrible experience but we've all been there at one time or another.
I shall be moving this thread to the Game Discussion board by the way.
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Ok, thanks. This is the first post I've ever made on the forums so I'm not quite sure how the whole thing works yet XD
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Indeed I can relate to some of the things you've mentioned here. It's a big reason why I don't join anyone's roleplays anymore unless they are close friends or the roleplay is of my own creation.
Vespian seconds this. T'is actually the main reason for I why I scarcely allow myself to partake in another's role-play group.
I've been in a lot of role-plays and have given many organizations a try to becomin' a faction I can settle with for a long while. Some succeeded, but obviously are not around anymore, while most have not. In some groups that Vespian has joined, I too have encountered these "over-authoritative" figures ye' vent about.
For instance, while I shall name no groups here, I one joined an establishment with my character, Creedance. I was speakin' to one of the other members of the same group OOC-wise usin' brackets [Like this.] when the Alpha/creator of the role-play approached. He questioned why I was usin' brackets and when I told he, he chortled and replied to me that OOC does not exist in his role-play. Que a wad of confusion as his remark came as a bit of a shock. Grateful was I that I joined with a mellow tempered character. I still don't quite get what's to gain actin' constantly as yer character. T'is like an actor/actress who's role is never endin' and who's always wearin' the mask of someone they are not but hey, everyone has their different preferences. What bugged I the most was since there was no OOC and this group was set up on the realistic scale, yer character's legit actions could affect the atmosphere. Meanin' that if yer pixels so happened to look a higher up in the eye, ye' were bound to get a mouthful. If ye' did not meander with a low gaze when around the Alpha/Beta, ye' were askin' for punishment. Truth be told, I would have found this bodily language intriguin' if it were kept solely to IC. Unfortunately, that was not the case as I have witnessed newcomers get gnarled at just for appearing to be challengin' a higher up when they meant no harm nor did they quite catch on to this "OOC doesn't exist here" law.
I shall restrict myself to just one example but I have witnessed a plenty. Even caught a couple whispers/glances of stricter groups who would meander around the public maps in single file and should a user step out of place, they'd end up scolded.
As Ms. Suragaha stated, it generally depends on the maturity level of the role-play's crafters. Little do they realize that their actions affect the overall group's reputation so even one bad apple with that much privilege can ruin one's perspective.
Really, if I were in yer paws, I'd just leave the group without another word. Ye' deserve not such treatment and I'm a bit surprised ye' put up with that individual as long as ye' have. I'd have left the second time they called I out.
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What the others have said, I would leave the group and go find another. You shouldn't have to put up with immature users like this
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I see where you are coming from. Most WC RPs usually say that you need to ask leaders before exploring the territories OOC, with my group, the case is that you're risking bothering someone Rping on another territory. However, if you ask, we will usually say yes o-o
As for semi circle, I allow that in my Clan xD We did it at the gathering (Well it was more of a line and semi circle)
I like groups who take responsibility with their staff ranks, but when they get too strict like this? Oi. I'd leave. Some roleplays get too strict, and that's never fun. It's always nice to goof around once in a while!
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One time I was in a Lion RP that allowed Hyenas. I happen to have a rather silly, and immature Hyena character who I like to role play with because, frankly, he's really fun! So I guess the head Lion there had a stick up his but andeventually started flinging insults at other characters. When I tried to call intervention, he told me to back off because I was 'an immature idiot'. And I told the guy, "Hey, you know the derpiness is actually part of Jeckle's (My hyena) character, and I'm not really that weird?" to which he replied, "No, you act immature Out Of Character, therefore you need to shut the hell up." Then, he proceeded to swear at the other group members about how they had no authority in the group. I understand where he's coming from, sometimes I like to mess around with other group members when I'm bored, but there was no reason for him to act like that.
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Some people really, really do let power get to their heads. Unfortunately, it's prevalent in many communities that allow guilds and groups. Even over at Warcraft, it happens at quite an astronomical scale! One of the groups I'm in completely forbids those with a 'low' rank from speaking/emoting during roleplaying sessions and events. You're basically left to sit there and meander about while the higher ups chat amongst themselves for a solid hour or two. I'm honestly still surprised by the group's staggering size and activity; it's still going!
I admit my own group (a hyena clan) is fairly strict, but there's a definite line between a polite request and utter nonsense. We generally forbid exploration of the map during our co-group's roleplaying hours because it's so distracting to have a hyena sprinting left right, up and down when you're in the midst of an especially dramatic session. Out-of-hours-- run about to your heart's content! It's a rule I've seen a few times-- but it's usually handled in a friendlier manner.
It's completely a-ok, and encouraged, to have rules and guidelines-- but when they, or the overly-authoritative 'staff', begin to impose upon your members' enjoyment it's going a little too far for comfort. No one's going to respect a group's leader if they, in turn, do not respect their peers; a group needs members to thrive and grow, after all! Leaving really is the best option when faced with such behaviour.
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*Kicks the rude staff member off her high horsie*
Okay...dat woman was rude!
I agree that someone like that is beyond horrid for even acting that way. Seeing staff like that tend to make me leave the groups because it's like, "Why be in this group if I am not allowed to have fun?" So in all honesty dear just leave dat group. Kick it to the curb you are way too good for it. ^^
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Enforcing rules is one thing, being overly 'power hungry' is another.
I've seen this quite a few times. It's usually when people feel they over power another just because thei 'staff' of the rp, when really, they just help out. If someone is being a bully, there is always staff to help out with the situation regarding bullying or harassment of any kind. But if someone is just trying to run you into the dirt, leaving the group to get out of the situation may also help.
~ Whisper
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You guys were right, I left that group and found another /way/ better WC RP group. I left and I told them exactly why: their staff were jerks. And then while i'm in the cape, they have the /nerve/ to WHISPER ME with some long paragraph about what I did wrong and that I was banned from the group. I was like
honey. Get off. of. your. high. horse. I QUIT.
A few other members tried to stir up drama with me again a few days after i'd left, but other than that it was all good. Another member of that group agreed with me and left as well, so I'm glad I encouraged her to leave that kind of atmosphere too; it really can be degrading.
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I left and I told them exactly why: their staff were jerks. And then while i'm in the cape, they have the /nerve/ to WHISPER ME with some long paragraph about what I did wrong and that I was banned from the group. I was like
honey. Get off. of. your. high. horse. I QUIT.
oh my god!! i had the same situation with another warrior cat roleplay of mine; i set 'em a detailed message of how i constantly felt bullied by the head admin, victimized, and accused of stealing when i did absolutely nothing. and i was deputy in this group, too! and guess what? because i had left, i was banned.
the worst thing though is when your sister is in said roleplay and won't stop talking about it when you make it so so clear that you don't want anything to do w/ their lame excuse for staffers
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Oh my gawd, these types of players drive me insane!
I experienced this last May when I joined a Wolf RP (I'm not going to use any names!) but it was so strictly run. You had to be completely realistic in color, your name must be European and you must post in the present tense with at least two paragraphs. I had problems becoming used to this as I tend to rp in the present tense and I like unique names so I named my wold Hsiao-Ning. The leader went crazy on me (in group, by the way not whisper) and threatened to kick me. But I managed to get that sorted.
But I have my exams in May so I put up a notice of absence to say I would not be very active for the next month. A day later, I got onto my character to find I had been kicked! When I confronted the owner saying that I had put up a notice, they chewed me out saying you had to be on EVERYDAY and no absences for more than three days. They wouldnt let me back in and said I could come back after my exams.
So yeah I never went back to that rp. And you know what? By the next month it had died out because of, guess what, exams and school. Exactly for what I got kicked for. People like that really need to chill.
Rumble, OUT!
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If the members of your old role-play continue to harass you I suggest you PM staff about it. We don't want them to be an issue, and then start to take a liking to bullying you. Yet if you don't wish to take that approach then just block the ones being butt faces. ^^
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Ah. These over-authoritive players.
I've had a few experiences with them, too. They take these things too far to their head and never turn back...some people are just like that.
My best resolution for you (like many of the wonderful people here have already contributed) is to leave the rp. Soon enough, they may realize why so many people are leaving their rp, and they'll take a closer look inside themselves.
~Best of luck to you and your rps. It's good to see someone here recognizing the issues with roleplays and being able to identify them.~
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People feel the need to act rude once they begin to see their deserve of something is growing big and noticeable. All I can say is just leave. Don't waste your time with fake people.
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Oh people like this are EVERYWHERE in this game, mostly the literate groups. Like I can relate to your situation:
I remeber joking this pack who was super active and wanted everyone online all the time. So I had to explain to him; "Dude I have school. Also divorced parents, so activity will have little bumps."
Then he went off at me, saying he'll ban me or something. So I just left the pack with a handful of others.
But it seems that the super literate people act superior to everyone, more less the high ranks of the group. So I carefully choose my high rank peeps.
Otherwise, keep it cool dude.
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It bothers me the most when a RP begins to dictate your character's appearance.
I mean, I understand when they have different requirements to keep their RP "realistic" but it goes so far until it becomes too specific
and they ask you to change your markings, colours, height etc. (Assuming your not a neon colour, it's pretty annoying.)
Especially when they personally ask if you'd like to join,
Like, if I wanted you to give me guidelines on my character's design I would have asked you.
It's the same thing with RP samples, why ask me for one when you singled me out and asked me to join?
If you chose me you obviously thought I looked realistic, right? But I suppose you just need to check if i'm "literate" enough. Basically, all i'm saying is that the "staff" of RP groups really need to understand that they're not the boss of everyone, just their RP, which is allowed to be left if someone chooses.
Well that's just my opinion after a long all nighter from doing work. xD
Feel free to quote me if you think otherwise.
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It bothers me the most when a RP begins to dictate your character's appearance.
I mean, I understand when they have different requirements to keep their RP "realistic" but it goes so far until it becomes too specific
and they ask you to change your markings, colours, height etc. (Assuming your not a neon colour, it's pretty annoying.)
Especially when they personally ask if you'd like to join,
Like, if I wanted you to give me guidelines on my character's design I would have asked you.
It's the same thing with RP samples, why ask me for one when you singled me out and asked me to join?
If you chose me you obviously thought I looked realistic, right? But I suppose you just need to check if i'm "literate" enough. Basically, all i'm saying is that the "staff" of RP groups really need to understand that they're not the boss of everyone, just their RP, which is allowed to be left if someone chooses.
Well that's just my opinion after a long all nighter from doing work. xD
Feel free to quote me if you think otherwise.
First bold statement: Okay, some role plays do have requirements. I, being one of these groups, do have a set requirement for height in my role play. Why? Because we are the only ones in said role play [being cats yes] and there are no other creatures rping with us. Therefore, we go on a range of kit to adult heights, using a lot of the height scale as our requirement. Some people also view realism differently than you may, and may ask you to grow if you're too small, or shrink if you're too big. Same with changing colors, that's really up in the air, but I'm almost certain there's a logical explanation.
Second bold statement: Role play samples are pretty much a safety barrier to ensure their role play goes smoothly. A lot of the times, people who may not be right for a certain group can pretty much show it by how they type or what they type. Content can also be a big factor to be sure that they're not some godmodder/powerplayer or even unrealistic according to their species [EX: Lion catching an elephant, or a full buffalo by themselves]. Another thing is really why fuss? I mean it's just the leader you're posting to. Better them see if you're appropriate for the group now than get humiliated with all the other members later.
Third bold statement: They're not the boss of everyone, they're making sure that everyone in their role play has an equal ground. So that some aren't getting annoyed at how a character looks, posts, or acts. And that everyone is pretty much on the same, if not near the same, posting level.
However, the topic at hand. Yeah that's not right of the staff to be that unfair. I'm glad to see you left, and really, why would they care unless they were upset you left right?
The whispering act they did only further makes me believe so.
I'm not one for joining role plays much, I do tend to lead them, and I have to admit, leading is hard. Leaders cannot please everyone, and most of the time they have to go for the majority over one person. But it also reflects the leader if they handle things poorly as well.
In the end, I'm just glad to hear you found a role play worth staying with.