Feral Heart
Game & Forum Discussion => Game Discussion => Game Suggestions & Ideas => Topic started by: GhostingHowl on April 12, 2011, 05:56:42 am
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Currently in FH, there seems to be a problem with banning. I'm not complaining about the mods or the rules, oh no, I am talking about the notification of bannings, or I should say, lack of notification.
I already posted about all this in another thread, but it kind of died, so I wanted to make a formal idea thread about this topic.
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As for warnings and notification, I believe it is totally unfair for someone to get banned and not be told why. Its just not fair in any case. When someone is arrested, the police HAVE to tell them what they are being arrested for. Its just a human right to know what you did wrong. Obviously banning isn't as serious as being arrested, but its still the same concept. Not everyone is telepathic, people honestly might not know what they did wrong, and banning them for something they don't know will NEVER help them learn not to do it again.
An easy solution for this in my mind, to keep mods safe and happy, would be to edit the system to tell you what you got kicked off for. For instance, when you get kicked out of the game, a window will pop up saying "You were kicked for swearing" or some such. I don't think that this would be hellatiously hard to program, and I think it could be made very easy for mods to fill out.
I don't know how mods kick right now, but im going to assume its with command lines. So an example for my idea would be:
/kick *username* "You have been kicked for swearing."
This would cause a window that pops up saying "You have been kicked for swearing." And maybe an 'okay' button that boots them to the main screen. "
And there is my idea. Feel free to post and comment / add your own ideas :33
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I whole-heartily agree with this, all the way. I believe it is the users right to know why they have been banned, temporarily especially, because when they come back they can make sure not to repeat the mistake. You can not expect a community to learn by simply banning them and not explaining what they did wrong. You also can not expect them to know what they did wrong, because some people honestly do not know.
I know some people, including myself ( I refrain from doing so in game ) will curse and not realize it because it's out of habit, or it's just how we work.
Other such actions, well, you never know really. Saying "YOU KNOW WHAT YOU DID WRONG" is not only wrong in itself, it's sort of.. well, unjustified? Not sure if I'm using the right word there.
TL;DR - I agree 110%
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Glad someone agrees, lol.
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I completely agree with this as well. Too many times, I'll see people who were banned saying that they're confused, and have no idea what they were doing wrong. Usually, this is followed by a mod saying "You know what you did wrong", "The mods make no mistakes", etc., and it's a bit irritating. This kind of system would definitely lessen the amount of members confused about a banning.
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Yay more agreement! It would be awesome if a mod saw this thread and agreed as well! *hint hint*
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~Supports~
How Bans Should Work = Mods should be keeping track of who they ban and why, some place hidden from the public forum though. From what I'm aware of though, this isn't currently how it works ( as people are banned and no one knows why half the time xD)
+ Also - People's who's accounts are banned from the Game SHOULD be banned from the FORUM aswell. I don't see why not when all they are going to do is come straight here to the forum and cry about it. (unless there was a Ban Appeal Section)
Ban Notification= Should be sent to both Email AND Forum Account PM. Stating Why you are banned, Exactly WHERE it says in the Rules that you can get banned for it, and for HOW LONG you are banned for.
And Ban Appeal Section = if people are going to come here to the forums after being banned and start crying about it, I think there should atleast be a section for it since it seems to be happening so much. I've seen more threads saying " Why have I been banned?!" than threads talking about adding more animals x.x
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I totally agree. Send a message to the people so they aren't confused. As stated before, so they wont make the mistake again. That would reduce the amount of people coming to the forum asking why they were banned and so forth. Yes, I deffinately think it should be sent to their email aswell. SO YES, I agree. Good idea.
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I agree with this, and would be overjoyed to have this in the game.
My friend had been kicked twice for no apparent reason, and she is about sick of it. She wants to know why she is being kicked so she can stop, so. >XD
But yes, this would be handy. It's common sense to let someone know what they are doing wrong when they are kicked or banned, instead of just having a random boot from the server. It would also clear up some confusion (as stated in above posts) of why I user was banned. If someone was banned from the game with no reason, more than likely they are going to trot on over here and inquire about it. But if that question is answered before it is even asked, then there; problem solved. XD
Plus, it would just be nice to know what you did wrong. I wouldn't want to be banned without a reason to go with it. Like if I got banned without a reason, I would automatically begin to think that the mods just hate me (if I don't get what I did wrong). >XD
And yes, an e-mail notification as well as a forum PM would be delightful. Some people seem to hang around their e-mail more than the actual forum, so that would be great to have the message sent to both sources. xD
/end ramble
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Agree 100%. Theres one to many people complaining about how they dont know why they got banned and blah blah.
Some form of notification is exactly what we need and I dont see why it wouldnt be added in an update. As said before, its only fair to tell a person WHY they got banned and not just ban them because they did something YOU thought was wrong, but they were doing whatever it was unconsciously. I admit, I do swear sometimes and banning someone because they slipped up once is kinda stupid. I say ban them if they're swearing excessively.
But anyway, I think everything Sly has suggested is the way we need to go. A Ban Appeal section is much needed. -_-;
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Agreed, 100%!
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Agreed to it 100%.
Ive seen too many games where mods just got the power grown on their head and started banning for no reason.. of course not telling why... you just got banned... deal with it.
Of course im not saying the mods do this here. They seem to know what they are doing. At least i or my friends never were victim here for such. While in other games its sadly a common practice.
A section, or so to say: a wall of shame or something would ease such negative thoughts.
Just drop in a section on the forum, and there every post could be a person getting banned (date, how long, why and the rule that stands against that-of course locked so no complaining or cursing lol) and there we go. no complaining threads.
Of course receiving an email and/or PM would be nice too.
Ive seen a game which does the same, and there is absolutely no complaining or confusion. If you visit the forums, you can see what you did wrong and why it is wrong.
Of course it would mean work fo the mods, but the game im talking about has separate mods for that job. The gamemods give the info to them and they post the info on the forum in a few seconds.
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Definitely! I agree. It would stop the posts about it here, etc. Perhaps to makes things easier, the mods could have a list of banned users, etc.
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Yay! Im glad there is so much agreement.
I personally like Sly's ideas as well, but I believe that the game should tell you why you were banned ON THE GAME as well as in the form of forum pm. Like my first post said, a window that pops up and says why you were banned before you get kicked back to the main screen. That way you will know right away instead of having to go back to the forums to find out.
A ban appeal section is also a great idea. Then people would know WHERE to go to whine about a ban, lol. I don't think that a 'wall of shame' section of the forum would be that great though. It would get really long and take a lot of unnecessary work for the mods. Im sure TONS of people are banned each day, and writing down all of their info would just be too much work for no reason, really.
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me gusta.
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*Bump*
I'm hoping a mod aside from Sly will see this and give their opinion as well. Is it just me or are Sly and Avani the only mods who come on this board frequently?
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Its not just you. xD
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Definately needed. But someway of enforcing people to read the rules would also lower the amount of banning needed in my honest opinion. A lot of people probably go on without reading them. I saw someone mentioning a way to enforce people reading the rules in another section of the forum and I completely agree. In other games I have been on when they start up the game itself the rules pop up. It's not forcing them to read the rules, but they can't use the excuse that they didn't know they were doing something against the rules because they didn't read them or something, or couldn't find them (I know I was a bit confused on where the rules were when I first joined, until I noticed the forum thing up top, and had a look there XD). The rules would be in their face, and if they knew what was good for them, they would read it.
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I complately agree. :]
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Definately needed. But someway of enforcing people to read the rules would also lower the amount of banning needed in my honest opinion. A lot of people probably go on without reading them. I saw someone mentioning a way to enforce people reading the rules in another section of the forum and I completely agree. In other games I have been on when they start up the game itself the rules pop up. It's not forcing them to read the rules, but they can't use the excuse that they didn't know they were doing something against the rules because they didn't read them or something, or couldn't find them (I know I was a bit confused on where the rules were when I first joined, until I noticed the forum thing up top, and had a look there XD). The rules would be in their face, and if they knew what was good for them, they would read it.
Im 100% in agreement with you Kyu. I think that might definitely lower the ban rate since people have the rules laid out for them and also, they cant say they didn't know because the rules were presented to them already. So they'd just be proven a lier. xD
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i agree, the rules in this game are a bit misleading in the way that its to sudden. If you do get banned prehaps go with the method of garrys mod ulx, where you type the command in console.
/kick [name] [reason] or /ban [name] [time banned for mins] [reason]
With 2 buttons one that says accept and appeal. If you click accept it takes you to the main menu, and if you hit appeal it takes you to the appeal page of the site. also who gave you the kick/ban with screenshot evidence as some of the staff might not like a person, and make any excuse to make them suffer. All im saying is there needs to possibly be a better system in place to deal with those who want to abuse it. as its not just the members who can.
i hope this has helped bring a few ideas as how to improve the community.
these are simple to impliment into the game simple LUA files is all it takes
as a server admin i know how hard it is to keep the rulebreakers in line and stop them making others rage and troll but with the right steps you can not only improve the rp community by making others take an active role in stopping rule breakers but also improve the roleplaying itself.
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I think cursing should be allowed.. If they put in a chat filter that you can toggle on/off, the banning for cursing would be fixed. That's probably what I got banned for. Was on last night whispering a friend, come on this morning, "Banned 3 days"
-.- I mean, yes, there are kids who play this, but there are also older people who don't give a ___ about cursing.
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I don't know mods that ban for cursing in general
but if every other word you say is
SH--
F--K
A--HOLE
your kinda asking for a mods attention ( or atleast someone's)
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I agree with this opinion. Hopefully it will be added once the game has another update. Which is hopefully soon.
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I think cursing should be allowed.. If they put in a chat filter that you can toggle on/off, the banning for cursing would be fixed. That's probably what I got banned for. Was on last night whispering a friend, come on this morning, "Banned 3 days"
-.- I mean, yes, there are kids who play this, but there are also older people who don't give a ___ about cursing.
Im one of those "older ppl" and yet i do care about it. Im choosing my words carefully, and like quality rps.
Basically the only thing we need is frequent mod visits in bonefire and plains (though im sure there are already)... and maybe a list of rules somewhere... and that clicking-on-name-at-chat-and-shows-random-char should be fixed as soon as possible. Things would be oh soo much easier.
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Murr. One word. Need.
I mean it we need a system like this. Also I agree with Gar, I think there should be like when we are loading the game a list of rules come on.
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Glad everyone seems to agree. I agree with the rules-pop-up at the beginning thing as well.
Now that Sly is a full fledged mod, hopefully she can put in a good word for this idea to the other mods. I still don't know if they've seen this thread. If they have they've been silent about it. I do hope we get an update soon.
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Bump for justice!
Sorry for the double post
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I'm all for a warning system as well, and since I can't post to my own post i'll do it here.
"If you get a kick or ban, then you deserved it for -sure-. We dont HAVE to warn, no other pro game does this too. If their System sees an issue it will be dealt with harsh. You have everything free if you stay within the rules, end of story."
I really do not agree with this statement at all from Tigg the admin. So pretty much if a Mod doesn't like you or you've done something to piss them off like get too cuddly with his girl etc they can ban you for no reason?! If they have a bad day they can ban you for no reason..just cuz? With a warning system in check the admin or whoever will know exactly why this person was banned/kicked or whatever, if more questions arise then you can send in an appeal to challenge your banishment. What happens when a certain Mod ban's people for no reason but says 'o they were using bad language' how is anyone to know different if we don't post it here? What if everyone around this person who got banned did not witness what the moderator says they did?
All this comes down to is personal judgement. Its the Administrators job to make sure they have good moral and ethical people as moderators and not some over emotional teen etc...what are the age limits for being a moderator/admin...is there one at all?
Trust me i love playing this game but I dont want to look over my shoulder for big brother evertime i go to say something..if this game is really that strict..then label it as such...RATED E FOR EVERYONE, is there a rating system at all?
I'm all for a warning system as well as a 'reason you were banned' system which states..'you have two days to appeal your ban'
example
Kicked for language! 2 more times results in a 3 day ban...this would stay on record and be reset every week. Giving you 3 times to slip up
Kicked for harassment! 1 more time results in a 5 day ban...again restes every week
repeat offenders will be notified with a harsh waring: "in viewing your account we have noticed you have been kicked from the game and banned several times for harsh language and harrassment, we are banning you for three weeks. Please feel free to appeal this banishment with the moderators at >>>>>>>>>>. After your three week banishment if you are banned for any other reason you will be banned permanently."
anyway just my thoughts
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Closed since Kov says NO to that. Sorry Guys.