Feral Heart

Game & Forum Discussion => Game Discussion => Topic started by: Galaxyshadow on January 10, 2017, 02:11:59 am

Title: What if I said I could remake Fh if I really tried?
Post by: Galaxyshadow on January 10, 2017, 02:11:59 am

Alright, it's obvious fh is dying. People don't play anymore and it's a sad sight to see. So I've been wondering what would happen if FH were reborn.

No I'm not trying to take Kovu's game and no I'm not trying to get people to stop playing FH. But say I could make this new FH and call it something else. Say Feralblood for instance. So FB was just released and has different species and a survival or samdbox mode along with better graphics.

Okay so obviously people would probably prefer said game instead of FH. But instead of trying to get people to play a different game, why not try to completely recreate FH? I mean we could find a way to make it the same I'm every way but we'd be able to overhaul all the updates everybody's been waiting for.

A new game would bring in more people and be more interesting than an in-game forum which FH is.

We could make a new game where you could face intense survival, sandbox, or the in-game forum everyone is already accustomed to.

Now I'm not saying I would or will make the game. I certainly would not make it if the FH community did not support it. I just want to know what people would think about this

Title: Re: What if I said I could remake Fh if I really tried?
Post by: AshesRemain on January 10, 2017, 02:22:46 am

There have been quite a few people out to make new games similar to FH. I say go for it if you really want to. I wouldn't completely copy everything about the current game, but the idea of it would be good.

Title: Re: What if I said I could remake Fh if I really tried?
Post by: Galaxyshadow on January 10, 2017, 02:32:47 am

Edited: And I think it would be a Great idea to make a imiliar game. Of course I wouldn't copy everything FH has, I would probably make the game a more optional survival game than anything

Title: Re: What if I said I could remake Fh if I really tried?
Post by: turtlies on January 10, 2017, 02:36:03 am

I think if you had the skills to make a game, I'd say go for it! However, I don't think you should exactly copy Feralheart, though making a similar animal game with an original title and such would be fine, and if you really wanted to create a game I think it'd be more fun to have some more creative freedom! Besides, I'm not sure what the staff (or Kov, the original creator) might feel about an FH remake, so I think just a similar animal game would be the best option.

Either way, I wish you luck!

Title: Re: What if I said I could remake Fh if I really tried?
Post by: angels_ on January 10, 2017, 02:55:38 am

I feel like the best idea would probably be to just make a game similar to Feralheart, but maybe improve on some of the mistakes Feralheart has made, if you get what I'm saying? Such as a better engine, a server that can handle more people, a registration that doesn't close and better security, etc.

There are a lot of things that would have to be worked on besides just modeling and coding for the game itself. But, if it's something you think you can do, go for it! I'm always down for some new animal roleplaying games.

Title: Re: What if I said I could remake Fh if I really tried?
Post by: Astraea on January 10, 2017, 02:56:34 am

That would be a really fascinating thing! I also like the name that might be chosen.

But as above member fluffs have said, I wouldn't copy Feralhearts ideas completely! You know? Create your own ideas, models, in-game animations, etc!
A Feralheart (but not) game would be pretty cool honestly.

Good luck, if you start this project! c:

Title: Re: What if I said I could remake Fh if I really tried?
Post by: LegendaryGrace on January 10, 2017, 03:42:57 am

I like the idea and I say go ahead and make a game like that if you truly have the time and deviation that comes with it. And I truly mean that when I say that. There are too many games similar to FeralHeart or Impressive Title that are started in the making but never go anywhere. Either because people give up, the person goes inactive, etc. But if you truly want to dedicate a lot of your time and effort into something, go for it! I might even offer you some help.

I'd also like to add in, like so many before me have stated, don't copy FH. Sure, have a similar idea but like Audioxi explained, build off things that FH doesn't have or change characteristics to make it better. Be unique. Be creative. Be different.

Title: Re: What if I said I could remake Fh if I really tried?
Post by: Morgra on January 10, 2017, 06:19:31 am

First off, let me say that I actually think your ideas are great and seem to have nothing but good intentions. You, like many of us, want to see FeralHeart change in many ways. It is safe to say that almost everyone who plays this game has an idea in mind that they think would help improve the game for its members.

As I would love to see FeralHeart move forward, and this would be one of the best ways to carry on its legacy, I have concerns with it that I think need to be discussed. The first and main issue that comes to mind is ownership. Yes, it’s well known that KovuLKD has left us and left FeralHeart behind. In almost all of our eyes, he gave up complete ownership. However, by leaving us in the dust like he did, he never truly gave us any actual permission to make changes to any of the code and he never even gave it to us in the first place. Which leads to my question: Who actually owns FeralHeart right now? Does KovuLKD own it because he was the creator? Does Raz own it as he runs the servers? We don’t really know, do we? The situation is complicated because Kovu never gave an official leaving statement and didn’t officially hand the game over to anyone. And so, if someone were to snatch up the source code and make a spinoff game, there could be legal consequences if KovuLKD ever decides to return or press charges as grabbing a source code without permission is considered in many ways, stealing. That is all hypothetical as the chances of Kovu returning seem to be slim at this point. Now, you could look at Impressive Title’s succession as a guideline for how Kovu might take action. KovuLKD willingly made the source code for Impressive Title public as FeralHeart was becoming more of his focus. A year and a half after Impressive Title was shut down, KovuLKD gave out a download for Impressive Title’s sourcecode, stating this:

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This is the source code for Impressive Title, last versioned 0.7, i think. You're free to use it to host your own server of the game, or for any purposes.

This may lead you to believe Kovu would have no problem with someone doing the same for FeralHeart. But as I said before, Kovu never left an official statement so there could be legal repercussions. For more information, I suggest you check out this article. (http://newmediarights.org/guide/legal/Video_Games_law_Copyright_Trademark_Intellectual_Property#What%20parts%20of%20the%20video%20game%20are%20copyrightable?) If you, or anyone else, is interested in creating a game using FeralHeart’s source code, I suggest you do some more research about copyright laws for your own well-being. I understand that may not give you your exact answer as FeralHeart's situation isn’t black and white and copyright laws are very difficult to understand and vary on the circumstances. Believe me, I’ve tried looking into it and failed in wrapping my head around it all.

Title: Re: What if I said I could remake Fh if I really tried?
Post by: TwistedSorrowzz on January 10, 2017, 08:07:33 am

I think your idea sounds great however Morgra is right, you should do some research on copyright laws before using FeralHearts source code. And to me FeralHeart isn't dying, especially that registration is open, if more than anything it's over crowded. But I would like to see a remake of FeralHeart to even out the game and not have as much lag.

Title: Re: What if I said I could remake Fh if I really tried?
Post by: TiredBean on January 10, 2017, 08:22:45 am

That would be awesome, also make sure you look into what Morga said too. I'd be absolutely delighted to help you out with the game if you do create it in the future. It would be a amazing to see how it would all turn out.

Title: Re: What if I said I could remake Fh if I really tried?
Post by: xXQueenXx on January 17, 2017, 05:29:21 pm

Yeah this would be pretty cool. Making a game that is expected to hold up to FH's "standard" would be a bit difficult, especially if you wish to add new components into the game. That is if you don't plan on using Kovu's source code. Regardless I think it's a great idea!

Title: Re: What if I said I could remake Fh if I really tried?
Post by: Galaxyshadow on January 21, 2017, 02:50:19 am

Thanks for all the support guys! I'm glad others like the idea, but I am not planning on using FH's source code, simply making a game similar to it in a few ways. I have a lot of ideas, I've tried to start it but my program is being a pain, just working out some bugs and whatnot

Title: Re: What if I said I could remake Fh if I really tried?
Post by: OnionKnight on January 21, 2017, 10:21:57 am

Honestly? Yes. 100% yes. So long as there is sufficient space for roleplays, roleplaying availability, a place to advertise, in depth or at least better character customization, and the ability to form groups then a game like this might actually bring me back. I had to leave FH due to inactivity [both on FH and my part - IRL] but something like this piques my curiosity and if something like this happened it would probably drag me back. :) If you do go through with it, good luck!

Title: Re: What if I said I could remake Fh if I really tried?
Post by: OnionKnight on January 21, 2017, 10:24:21 am

Also I'm really digging that survival aspect you mentioned, gives it a nice twist and a realistic aspect. :)

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Post by: xSpirit on January 22, 2017, 02:12:22 pm

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Title: Re: What if I said I could remake Fh if I really tried?
Post by: Morgra on January 22, 2017, 09:41:43 pm

Quote from: xSpirit on January 22, 2017, 02:12:22 pm

Also, Kov still care about the game.
But Kovu asked them to stop:

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Alright, so Zee got back to me and Kov was in fact able to prove it to them- not through facebook, but his personal email. He sent em private screenshots of the source code, and that is enough evidence for us.

We’re sorry, to all who looked forward to this, but FHR won’t be continuing.

(from feralheart-redone.tumblr.com/)

I'm not sure what Kovu would think about it. Also some of the FH assets is created by other artists (like the markings by Nala), so there is more people to ask about the copyright.

There is no way to confirm that this is actually Kovu saying these things. KovuLKD hasn't made his whereabouts known to any of the FeralHeart staff or anyone really affiliated with FeralHeart in years. Since he hasn't even spoken to any of us, I highly doubt that he would ever try to interfere with FeralHeart Redone. I'm not saying that it isn't possible that he would speak up, i'm just saying that I do have strong doubts considering he hasn't seemed to come back to the actual forums or to the staff to say anything regarding his disappearance from FeralHeart.

Title: Re: What if I said I could remake Fh if I really tried?
Post by: Kuri on January 24, 2017, 07:36:44 am

So not actually abandonware.  Curious many decades until FH is public domain and what happens then? (Presuming it's not forgotten by then.)

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Post by: xSpirit on January 24, 2017, 09:16:14 am

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Title: Re: What if I said I could remake Fh if I really tried?
Post by: starkwolf on February 09, 2017, 04:53:35 pm

First, we need to determine what about FeralHeart is causing this die off, and fix it. I honestly don't think the graphics are even part of the problem. Some people like good graphics, sure. But as an art style there is something appealing and relaxing about the way FH is.

I can think of a few things:

1) Distribution: Right now, if something isn't on Steam, or a similar service, a game generally isn't going to be found in the first place. We should really try to get something like this released on steam, and if possible try and subtly influence a few influential YouTubers to promote it on their channels.

2) Gameplay options: You had already mentioned fixing this with a survival mode, which would be great. However, that niche is already pretty well covered by the now-revived WolfQuest. However, it is intended as an educational game, and I think if you had a sortof blend between this and something like Tokyo Jungle, you would be in good shape. You would just have to make it 18+.

3) Dev team. Kovu leaving the project really did this game in. So much could have been fixed up if the team had access to the source code. If you want to make it yourself, go ahead. If you want a team, that can speed things up, but be careful to not have a team member leave and leave the rest of the team helpless. Just share all the necessary information ahead of time, so if someone does leave you can replace them.

4) Find your niche. Wolf survival is already pretty well covered by the restart of WolfQuest. Shelter is already popular on Steam. Find something that makes your game stand out.