Feral Heart
Off topic => Discussion Board => Topic started by: okami129 on May 25, 2011, 09:34:42 pm
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I saw no post about animal testing so here's my topic about how much we want animal testing shut down. I was bored one day and came across a really bad video about animal testing. What they do is terrible! It's not like just injections and drowning. It's so bad what they do I can't type it. So yeah. This is my thread about how much animal testing should be stopped. And big time because our DNA is different from a dogs or rats or monkeys or cats. But yeah what you see in cartoons is not as bad as what they really do.
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I'm not fully informed or know all there is about animal testing, so I can't make a proper conclusion because it would be a misinformed / uneducated one, which I dislike doing. :/
If there's one thing I do know, it's not to listen to / support PETA. For any reason. xD
PETA Kills Animals (http://www.petakillsanimals.com/)
I won't get into that, however.
No conclusion from me. I guess it depends on the company, what they do to the animals, and if it is lethal or not.
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Animal Testing. No. Lets think about it this way:
Lets say a child was taken from its mother - a human that is- and put in a cage. They have a bed and food and water, yes but it can be freezing. Then they are taken out and put into a room, and on a table. There the young child is terrified for its life, and people come over. They put all sorts of stuff in it's fair, and on it's skin and injections. At the end the child is put back in its cage, it could be allergic to what they put on, it might be burning their skin or anything. Yes this happens to animals NOW, not back then.
Now, I love animals. I would HATE to see that happen to one. They are like humans, as they feel fear and love. They also feel pain. PETA I believe was started as an animal rights group, but slowly failed. It is the same with the SPCA's as they put down animals too, even if they chance the animals will live. Cruel world. No animals will ever have the rights like we do.
Also at Kyugima...You are so right, Peta is failing. I thought cutting the skin off the sheep's rump was cruel, but now I understand why. Thanks <3
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My thoughts are pretty much along with from what Kyu has posted.
Also I think we should think about how many animals are actually out there. There are hundreds (if not more) stray cats and dogs in cities and towns, with no where to go or with anyone to take care of them. Pets are abandoned on roads or other places by owners who couldn't afford to take care of them. Pounds are packed and the animals are put down to make more room. So, imagine if animal testing was taken away. Wouldn't the number of strays multiply? From my point of view, I believe it would. Now, I am not an expert of animal testing, so I do not know if an animal becoming a stray is worse than being tested on or not, or if even the number of strays will increase.
((D: I hit the wrong vote!
Can we change our votes?))
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Animals are absolutely necessary for all kinds of scientific research. Consider pharmaceuticals. They go through vigorous tests before they are put on the market. First they test on animals, and then, once they determine that it is safe, they do studies with human test subjects. If they skip the animal testing step...
Also, there are many regulations in place in regards to testing on animals. Researchers need to show, before they are going to do an experiment, that animals are absolutely necessary for it. They use less intelligent organisms when possible, and they need to justify using something like a cat. There are also regulations in place to make sure that the animals are properly treated during the course of the actual experiments.
I hope that all people against animal testing are also vegetarians. Eating meat is far less justified than animal testing, and the living conditions for animals raised for food less strct.
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Okay, well, I am against animal testing about.. somewhere between 90-99%, but Okami.. it's sadly necessary.
I mean, take all the perfumes and fragrances and so much more for example, we have to have those tested on animals to make sure they're safe for humans, because if they weren't safe and they ended up killing an actual person instead of an animal.. that would look A LOT worse on a company. I am against it, but I am somewhat for it at the same time.. go ahead, call me heartless, but we need animal testing in a lot of cases. Without it... we wouldn't be able to tell what's safe from something harmful. I know what animal testing is and I KNOW what they do, I FORCE myself to watch those types of videos so I have a good understanding of it. They do some pretty unspeakable things, but hun... most of it is needed.
(And btw Kyu, thanks for the information on the sheep thing. That had me confused for a while. xD)
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But I saw cats that live the rest of their lives with their head open and a man made thing in it to keep it open. At least can't they tranquilize animals first? And do we really need perfumes and candies and hair jell? I can understand medicine SOME but the unnecessary items are really just torture. I heard their screams. I saw their pain. And I watched as they died. And animals like cats and dogs were made more to live with people in a house. Also I do think living as a stray would be better than being burned, maimed, poisoned, and other kinds of torture and suffering. If you were to live on the street then it would be all cool. Haven't you seen strays eat out of trash and sleep in alleys to survive? Being a stray means your more likely to survive than being a test subject. The dogs were electricuted, burned, cut, and suffocated in test tubes. So yeah. If you see what I mean in this post you will know why I made this thread. Plus if you hear the monkeys screams it will haunt you for the rest of your life. And also the cats living with their heads open isn't from a show. It's real. Think of seeing your pet half bald, Limping, and with human materials growing from places on them.
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But I saw cats that live the rest of their lives with their head open and a man made thing in it to keep it open. At least can't they tranquilize animals first? And do we really need perfumes and candies and hair jell? I can understand medicine SOME but the unnecessary items are really just torture. I heard their screams. I saw their pain. And I watched as they died. And animals like cats and dogs were made more to live with people in a house. Also I do think living as a stray would be better than being burned, maimed, poisoned, and other kinds of torture and suffering. If you were to live on the street then it would be all cool. Haven't you seen strays eat out of trash and sleep in alleys to survive? Being a stray means your more likely to survive than being a test subject. The dogs were electricuted, burned, cut, and suffocated in test tubes. So yeah. If you see what I mean in this post you will know why I made this thread. Plus if you hear the monkeys screams it will haunt you for the rest of your life. And also the cats living with their heads open isn't from a show. It's real. Think of seeing your pet half bald, Limping, and with human materials growing from places on them.
..I'm sorry but I feel as if you're exaggerating something here, I can't put a finger on it exactly, it's just a feeling after all. :/
And did you actually see this with your own eyes, or through a video?
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But I saw cats that live the rest of their lives with their head open and a man made thing in it to keep it open. At least can't they tranquilize animals first? And do we really need perfumes and candies and hair jell? I can understand medicine SOME but the unnecessary items are really just torture. I heard their screams. I saw their pain. And I watched as they died. And animals like cats and dogs were made more to live with people in a house. Also I do think living as a stray would be better than being burned, maimed, poisoned, and other kinds of torture and suffering. If you were to live on the street then it would be all cool. Haven't you seen strays eat out of trash and sleep in alleys to survive? Being a stray means your more likely to survive than being a test subject. The dogs were electricuted, burned, cut, and suffocated in test tubes. So yeah. If you see what I mean in this post you will know why I made this thread. Plus if you hear the monkeys screams it will haunt you for the rest of your life. And also the cats living with their heads open isn't from a show. It's real. Think of seeing your pet half bald, Limping, and with human materials growing from places on them.
Definately either an old video or in a country where they don't have strong laws in the area of animal testing, because those kind of things where they burn animals and such is not something they do. In the old days they would lop monkeys heads off to see how long the head survived afterwards, but trust me, nothing like that happens any more. In fact, I know a cat in my street that is a laboratory cat. She had a short stint in a laboratory before the laboratory put her up for adoption. And they take great care of the animals. After all, if you are trying to see the affects ofsomething, you most certaintly don't want stress and such interfering with your results.
Trust me, of you really want to see a true case of animal cruelty turn to the meat market, not animal testing. Or even puppy mills. Now THERE is something I utterly CAN NOT stand. And dog/rooster fighting too.
And I'm with Owlfeesh when they say they feel you are exxagerating... What you are saying just sounds off. It doesn't sound right, like something in either what you are saying or what you saw in the video is wrong...
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Okami, that is quite exaggerated or as Kyu said, where it took place didn't have strong laws against animal testing. Testers DO have limits, they can't go beyond those limits.
I want you guys to realize that animal abuse and animal testing kill the same number of animals a year. From what I have found, both animal testing and animal abuse kill about 60-100 million animals a year. The testing deaths consist of 70% rodents, 15% primates, and the remaining 15% consisting of farm animals, dogs, and cats. (These are the stats I got while doing research on the topic; they may be wrong.)
But testing is needed. It's safe to say that it will most likely never stop because of popular demand.
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Animal experimentation. Generally speaking, even though Chimps are genetically closer to ours than other animals, remember they are still animals. We have technology to replace some animals that are experimented on. Question is, if technology keeps advancing and animal experimentation isn't completely relevant because of reasons, why are they still being used for some experiments?
You know, if half of these things we make didn't exist, so would be cruelty to animals. -but I am a bit torn between going FOR animal experimentation and against it. Because they are animals, results wouldn't be 100 percent accurate. We could use dead cells from humans or human simulators. I'm still wondering what does animal experimentation originated from? Hitler from torturing Jews? Germany? -but still, I know it's beneficial for experimentation to man-kind and it have done some good for a few years, but for how long will this keep up? At some rate, we'll experiment on them until they are probably extinct or through migration and cruelty doesn't stop there.
Off-topic Note: I am upset. I want to be a vegan for environmental purposes but I have to have my protein. The only meat that I eat is chicken. No beef or pork. Might as well stick with it, no one gives a hoot about animals in factories and slaughterhouses.
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Off-topic Note: I am upset. I want to be a vegan for environmental purposes but I have to have my protein. The only meat that I eat is chicken. No beef or pork. Might as well stick with it, no one gives a hoot about animals in factories and slaughterhouses.
You allergic to nuts? Nuts have lots of protein, a lot of people who go vegetarian or vegan eat nuts to make up for some of the lost protein.
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Ugh Animal Testing makes me sick to my stomach
Its sad that some places are still using animal testing D8
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We could use dead cells from humans or human simulators. I'm still wondering what does animal experimentation originated from? Hitler from torturing Jews? Germany? -but still, I know it's beneficial for experimentation to man-kind and it have done some good for a few years, but for how long will this keep up? At some rate, we'll experiment on them until they are probably extinct or through migration and cruelty doesn't stop there.
Animal testing has been going on since there have been scientifically curious people. I know there were doing some of it in the 1700s, at the latest. We do not have the technology at this time that could replace an actual organism.
Also, many animals are bred specifically for testing, so there is no danger of extinction.
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I agree with Kyu... animal testing is a necessary evil unfortunately.
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Cut off a monkeys head?! Ok now I'm creeped out. Also nice comparing. XD
I'm still wondering what does animal experimentation originated from? Hitler from torturing Jews?
And animals are bred to be tested on. What a life.
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They don't live their whole life there. As I said, there is a laboratory cat in our street. It did it's time in the laboratory, then they put it up for adoption. Or at least that's how I think it works around here. I mean, if an animal passes then they can't put it up for adoption...
But like pets, laboratory animals can't go through unneeded pain. If the animal is suffering then by law they have to give it pain releif, and make sure it get's all the vetinary attention it requires. Even a rat get's this treatment. Their lives are not as horrible as some would depict it.
And the choppping monkey's heads off thing was like a hundred years ago or something, really old.
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Well, after reading everything said, I think I'll come to the conclusion that it is necessary and any sort of videos are either edited or from another country where such laws just don't exist to protect the animal.
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You allergic to nuts? Nuts have lots of protein, a lot of people who go vegetarian or vegan eat nuts to make up for some of the lost protein.
Nah, only thing I'm allergic to is moxicilin. -but why is the healthy stuff getting more expensive? I'm clueless to know.
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I had to delete the post here lol
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You realise pigs are the ones that are treated the worst? Trust me, you don't want to know their living conditions.
Although, I see very little relation between those video's and animal testing. Those are slaughter houses for meat product, not animal testing...
And also, the forum is meant to be G rated, having those video's up might get you in trouble, I don't know.
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UGH forgot that! thought it was another post i had -_- can u remove that?
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I'm not a mod, so I can't. But you can edit your post and remove them (The swearing in your post as well would be good) Just click modify in the upper right hand corner of your posts. You can then edit your post as you see fit.
And if you can't modify it I'll see if I can get a mod to help remove the videos if you want.
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I did an essay and a speech on animal testing in my classes, and what I read about is absolutely just cruel and unusual punishment! Its just abuse!
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I hate all type of abuse and any other type of animal crualty. I hate how peaple think that just beacause they think humans are smarter (humans aren't smarter, but i wont get into that) they can do all types of horrible things to animals. Who needs perfume, soap or other nonsence. Just kidding about the soap XD. Back on topic, useless things are being tested on animals. I don't know much about the subject, and i don't want to know because then ill end up crying. Animals don't abuse humans, so why should we do anything to them? I know it might be nessesary, but we are busy with "other" things that no one thinks about making something to test on instead animals. Long live the animals!