LordSuragaha.. you are telling people not to 'make claims', correct? But, aren't YOU doing the same thing yourself? You are 'making claims' that it is NOT the majority of FH that wants General back, although you can clearly see how many people want it.
Never once have I claimed that most of the community doesn't want general back I clearly stated multiple times even when you guys mentioned polls that there is no accurate way to determine exactly how many people are against or for generals removal. Here's my exact quote:
Let's also not make claims that the entire or most of the community are against the removal of general. None of you can prove that and not to mention there are quite the number of posts here that are made by the same user using multiple accounts. Those who are for the removal of general wouldn't have much reason or desire to write here so there really is no accurate way to see exactly how the entire community feels about this. So many of you need to stop throwing things around as if they are fact.
You're the one that continues to push your belief that everyone wants general back & that we should be able to see that because of the number of the posts in this thread etc. You said:
There are now 62 pages, and most of the comments don't like this change. The majority of the community who have commented wants General back, so why not give it to them?
The amount of people commenting in this thread are FAR from the majority of this community. This thread alone was also never a place to see statistics it's just a place to share feedback about general's removal. There is no accurate way to use this thread or even a poll attached to determine how many people want or don't want general back. Why?
1.) Not everyone uses the site
2.) Many people are using multiple accounts to post as "different" people to keep pushing their individual points across in this thread.
3.) The numerous posts on this thread aren't from masses of people who hate general's removal as you claim. In fact many pages in this thread are just the same user or groups of users posting numerous time and thus increasing the page count. If we cut the extra posts down and really counted up exactly who was posting what you'll see it's really not that many people yet alone most of the community.
4.) Most people who either like the removal of general or just don't care wouldn't have much reason to come post here. Only people with strong feelings against the removal of general would take the time to post here, therefore making it seem as though most of the posts here are just people against it.
I made no claim other than that we will never have an accurate understanding of everyone's opinion on general's removal unless the entire community was to come online and vote on a poll here.
You are also making claims that General chat has benefited FH, and continue to argue that point. You make your claim that General's removal has caused mostly benefits. Yet, when we 'make claims' that most of the people here want Gen-gen back, you tell us to stop making claims. Or, when we say that the removal was bad, you still tell us that.
I have never claimed that the removal of general was solely good. What I have said was that many benefits have come with the removal of general as well as sacrafices. We staff are well aware of the sacrafices because we are making them just the same way you are. I stated:
The choice to remove general was no different. We had plenty discussions together of it's pros & cons and ways to help everyone since we know plenty of the good users like the RPers had to make sacrafices as well as the people who used general respectfully to chat etc.
I even mentioned both the pros and the cons in one of my first posts in this thread. Here read it if you don't believe me:
Well I can see a major plus side to this such as the points Delay made but I have some concerns when it comes to the RPers not being able to advertise to the masses in gen anymore. Removing the general chat seems a major killing point especially since this game's genre is focused although not solely but mainly on RP. It's bad enough that it's hard to find good RPs or get users to join your own these days. Sure RP groups can continue advertising by using the movie clips but it's not the same as simply reading an RP ad scrolling through Gen. If a user was looking to join an RP they'd have to now click the movie clips and it's like a random chance you'll see a movie clip that is advertising an RP they'd be interested in yet alone advertising a RP in general. Let's also not forget how fast the chats stream by... It was hard enough trying to read the ads in General chat but now imagine trying to clicking a one line movie clip in a speeding chat in a crowded map like Bonfire Island.
Another issue is advertising at landmarks as Raz suggested. There are already alot of users that bunch up at common land marks like the Stone Bridge & the Cape Portal... Imagine now how many additional individuals & groups will gather at these areas without Gen chat now. These users will now crowd and fuss over advertisement spots... Sure removing Gen kills a host of issues but now pop up a whole new bit of them.
It will be interesting to see how removing the general chat impacts the community but I don't think it's the best idea right now, however you have my support regardless. Sometimes changes are hard to accept at first but eventually we learn to live with them so I'm up for the test. Hopefully the rest of the community will be just as patient & understanding during this time. Positive constructive feedback is much appreciate & thank you both Delay & Raz for the update.
So no I have never claimed that general's removal has mostly benefited FH. I have stated that there are benefits as well as sacrafices. The difference between what you and I are posting is that although I was against generals removal I can live without it and I can support general's removal and see mostly the benefits because there is no use complaining about things that we can easily learn to adapt to and improve with or without general.
