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Re: A couple of notes
« Reply #80 on: September 26, 2018, 10:00:14 pm »


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Re: A couple of notes
« Reply #81 on: September 26, 2018, 10:12:45 pm »
I can not believe you think lost characters isn't an important matter! people spend hours and time and effort in there characters and bios and your just brushing it of like it isn't  important? ... make it a prior concern and do something then do something about this stupid no mods matter.

I wont restore your characters quite yet as it seems people are still loosing theirs. I'm not about to start some daily restore of lost characters.

He said he would eventually get around to doing it with the words "quite yet" so be patient. I'm aware you are angry, I would be as well if I lost something I spent a long time on, but for all we know he could be working on something more important than restoring characters.

I'm pretty sure Raz is the one who deleted the characters. Normally when a map is deleted or shut down, you just can't get into it or your character goes to a void. When that happens, it can still be recovered in the user panel. These characters are completely gone.

I know he's the one who deleted the characters, and he just said he would but not "quiet yet." A character doesn't always go into the void if he, like any sensible server master, has backups of the data for the characters so just in case if one database is destroyed he has a restore point. Of course I'm assuming he would be a sensible enough type of person to do this, but we'll have to see if he does.
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Re: A couple of notes
« Reply #82 on: September 26, 2018, 10:14:13 pm »
I can not believe you think lost characters isn't an important matter! people spend hours and time and effort in there characters and bios and your just brushing it of like it isn't  important? ... make it a prior concern and do something then do something about this stupid no mods matter.

I wont restore your characters quite yet as it seems people are still loosing theirs. I'm not about to start some daily restore of lost characters.

He said he would eventually get around to doing it with the words "quite yet" so be patient. I'm aware you are angry, I would be as well if I lost something I spent a long time on, but for all we know he could be working on something more important than restoring characters.

I'm pretty sure Raz is the one who deleted the characters. Normally when a map is deleted or shut down, you just can't get into it or your character goes to a void. When that happens, it can still be recovered in the user panel. These characters are completely gone.

I know he's the one who deleted the characters, and he just said he would but not "quiet yet." A character doesn't always go into the void if he, like any sensible server master, has backups of the data for the characters so just in case if one database is destroyed he has a restore point.
"Any sensible server master" would have ignored Nynx's map leaks and just deleted the goddamn thread. Not the core map files from the game's data base

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Re: A couple of notes
« Reply #83 on: September 26, 2018, 10:15:27 pm »

I was actually online for a long time yesterday, and I saw people having fun. And if any hate was getting thrown around, it was at Raz. Which, you KNOW that if the staff had been online, they would have allowed it because it wasn't directed at them or their friends. Not all of the fun was mature, and yes, people were cursing. As I also mentioned in a later post, I do think that if that conduct is going to be free and rampant, the game should come with a warning then for minors or people who are easily offended.

All of this being said, again, I'm not defending what Raz has done. I don't agree with the fact he did this behind everyone's backs. But going behind HIS back and being equally petty? That's not really a way to behave either, especially when I refuse to believe that the staff or the community was dumb enough to think he wouldn't push back upon provocation.

A friend mentioned this to me, and I also did notice this. You guys DO realize that Raz came to the community about this policy change, right? He SAID in his post, that if enough people disagreed and didn't like it, that it would change. October's meant to be a test. All of this insanity has stemmed from people freaking out over it.

As I have said before, I will say it again. I don't condone Raz' behavior. But other than rationally trying to explain why we think something isn't a great idea and hoping he'll listen is literally all we can do. At least on FeralHeart. I'm willing to ride it out. If you're not, then you can join the massive rioting clusterfuck of a Discord hate server and try to make another game. FeralHeart is unique, yeah. And I understand that this sucks.

But rioting, calling everybody names, and throwing temper tantrums is going to get LITERALLY nothing done. It's throwing eggs at a brick wall.

It sucks. I know. But raging around like a toddler and screaming curse words AGAINST Raz like someone in massive red text did above, is not going to solve anything.


As much as I didn't think some of the staff were right to have their positions, and believe me when I say, I have had personal beef with a few of them over the years.
However, I am actually defending them IN THE SENSE OF WHAT RAZ IS DOING IS WRONG!

"You guys DO realize that Raz came to the community about this policy change, right? He SAID in his post, that if enough people disagreed and didn't like it, that it would change." No. He came to the community and told us he was doing it. He gave us, what, a week warning? He would be doing this whether or not we agree or disagree. And you know what, if you understood a bit as to who Raz is, you would know that it wouldn't matter if people didn't like Mod Free October, he would have kept it regardless.

You want to blame the staff before this incident for not being fair or right for their title?
This has NOTHING to do about how "the staff are also wrong too what about that". What an utter off topic point of blame. Why is it off topic? Because this is about what RAZMIRZ has done by GOING BEHIND THEIR BACKS and coming forth with a system that is to replace staff. As he so openly stated, I will repeat, THIS PROGRAM IS TO GET RID OF STAFF! Focus on this matter. Had Razmirz kept this to staff chat, had he told and very much warned that the staff were on thin ice by him saying he will be implementing this, the reaction of the FH staff would have been different.

I 100% agree that the staff team either needed to be reconstructed or them to change, but that post made by Nynx was to show that they were aware of what needed to change and were making a point that they were trying to change. Who stopped that? Raz. Who started banning staff, AKA Nynx, for releasing the maps for people to see, and to tell them that the staff team heard them? Raz. Who ultimately pushed staff who were trying to make a change out of the picture? Raz. Who is continuing to tell the community that it was because of Nynx all of the characters are gone? Raz. Who is actually to blame for deleting the map from the system files, and all the characters? Raz, because he was the one who just couldn't ignore the maps being released and instead just HAD to delete them.

Let me repeat this for you lot. Just because the staff have faults, does not make Raz's actions justified. He went behind their backs and made the threat that their days were numbered. They had an expiration date, so they decided to show them that they listened and Raz didn't. They outed him, and rightfully so. Someone had to do it.

"All of this being said, again, I'm not defending what Raz has done. I don't agree with the fact he did this behind everyone's backs. But going behind HIS back and being equally petty?"
As for the "over reacting petty behavior" that you carelessly state- welcome to the goddamn internet. It ain't right the way they're acting, but guess what, they're people, and they're upset. In numbers, people will cause chaos and riots. If anything has told you about history, is that's what happens. You can sit on the side and call them immature or overreacting all you want, but people will not stop when this is so fresh. It's best to leave that out of the picture and focus on the real problem.
And for someone who apparently isn't "defending Raz" you're doing a mighty fine job of looking like you are.

I 100% agree on this. I cannot explain enough how much I agree with this.

Just to put this simply, yes, people overreacted. Yes, there was miscommunication. However, the funniest thing is, is that people actually think somehow turning the tides on the community and staff rather than Raz is a wise decision. "Yeah, Raz did this, but everyone else is wrong too!" That's taking the blame away, or should I just call it scapegoating?

The community is upset, the staff is upset, everyone is upset. Everything has gotten out of hand. People make mistakes. However, my one question here for you all.

Can Raz fix his?

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Re: A couple of notes
« Reply #84 on: September 26, 2018, 10:21:45 pm »
Hey there, Raz; I'm sure you've been reading each comment left here.

I'm the creator and leader of what's basically the Feralheart refugee discord. I refer to it as such because everyone who has joined is doing so to keep in contact with their friends and keep up to date on recent events. They are afraid of what might happen to the server; we need defined answers, please.

I'm sure you put thought into your current actions. However, as an advocate that has been working for schools on internet safety for years, not having a professional, hand-picked moderating staff poses dangers on your users lives. You must know that the median age that plays your game is 11-14. These are children. By removing the need for moderators, you are allowing them to face dangers that they may not be able to handle on their own. This could also cause serious repercussions for you as the now sole moderator and server master.

Moderators and rules are put into place to make sure your MMO is regulated safely. Yes; there is a whisper option that allows people to speak privately, however, many reports came from just that-- screencapped whispers. Our moderators worked diligently on the safety of your MMO. They are necessary for an active online space.

I appreciate that you held the server for as long as you did. If it has become too stressful for you, I will suggest what everyone else is suggesting-- pass on the torch to someone not only capable of running the server, but can also pay for it. Obviously, your userbase LOVES this game. It has changed many lives, and while it may not last forever, we would at least like to hear from you some solid answers on its current future.

We are ready and willing for your answers. Please let us know your thought process on this move, even if it's just a "test" at the moment. Hundreds of people would love to hear from you.

My inbox is open for private conversation if you see it fit.

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Re: A couple of notes
« Reply #85 on: September 27, 2018, 12:09:39 am »
After seeing both threads and reading through the comments...
I really wished this was planned and executed more better than what it is now.
Miscommunication, Assumptions... these are legit the reason why things crumble to nothing.
Why a divide and even a war breaks out.
We're still human beings trying to find answers and reasoning to things based on the knowledge we were told and even given.

I just hope for the sake of this place, it doesn't go spiraling, crashing and burning hard... And even if it does...
we learn something from this experience one way or another.

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Re: A couple of notes
« Reply #86 on: September 27, 2018, 12:34:52 am »
Misconception and assumptions are the true reason everything has gone down hill. The game is perfectly in tact. Everyone is going about normally.

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Re: A couple of notes
« Reply #87 on: September 27, 2018, 12:42:21 am »
Misconception and assumptions are the true reason everything has gone down hill. The game is perfectly in tact. Everyone is going about normally.

For the time being at the very least.
Anything can still happen since it still happened in the first place.
All I can do is just watch and wait and hope for that silver lining.

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Re: A couple of notes
« Reply #88 on: September 27, 2018, 12:46:44 am »
raz removed himself from the stand its only the bot left once you leave how the hecc are you gunna magically make yourself admin? I don't think that's how everyday things work unless you are the OWNER of the game or place right? ya catch my drift??
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Re: A couple of notes
« Reply #89 on: September 27, 2018, 01:16:04 am »
raz removed himself from the stand its only the bot left once you leave how the hecc are you gunna magically make yourself admin? I don't think that's how everyday things work unless you are the OWNER of the game or place right? ya catch my drift??

Just because he has stepped off as admin on the forums doesn't mean he isn't still our admin. xD He still has all of his powers he had before. Calm down.