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Title: Dr. Flob Rants - Unappreciative people
Post by: SteampunkWolfdog on December 04, 2012, 02:46:05 pm

Nothing annoys me more than people being so unappreciative of what they are given. Makes me so angry! This afternoon, I sat in Fluorite Plains watching the conversations in the chatbox go by, as you do. When someone, I won't say any names, came out with,

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"I HATE THE ADMINS HERE!!!!".

Luckily for my own sake I held my tongue because I could have said something that probably will have hurt at that moment.

People who have these feelings towards the staff, just pause for a moment and think. You would not be able to play this game or use this forum without them! It is Razmirz who keeps the server up and running and fixes it when it has problems so that we, the users can play the game and use the FH forum. Without him, FH would most probably be non-existant.
Red and Delay work hard to help out, not only the users, but also the mods, and keep things running smoothly and 'structured', as it says in the mod FAQ thread.  Without them, I can't imagine what sort of a mess this place would be in.
Also, let's not forget the fact that these people are willingly taking time out of their own lives to do what they do, and for that, they deserve nuzzles from each and every one of us.

Maybe if you 'admin haters' out there, could take a moment to think about the things I just said above, perhaps you would grow to like and appreciate the staff here. I can only hope that you will have a change of heart.
Please, everyone be a little more respectful and appreciative of what we are given here, and of the staff. They certainly don't get the praise and appreciation they deserve.

And that's my rant over for now. Hopefully it has knocked some sense into some people...

Title: Re: Dr. Flob Rants - Unappreciative people
Post by: LordSuragaha on December 04, 2012, 03:09:32 pm

I agree with everything you stated here. I often see people bashing staff in game for various reasons but most especially when they get banned. It's rather ridiculous it's like a child having a tantrum after being scolded by their parents and then saying they hate them afterwards just because of the punishment. The mods & admins are the individuals who keep this community and game alive do these people not realize? But yet they sit there complaining yet still playing with the game that is being run by the people they claim to hate. Complaining about staff or bashing them is like biting the hand that feeds you... Best part is when I see the mods and admins get blamed for the random server crashes. It just seems to me that there will always be that small trend of rude and immature people getting on this game just to spread hate, troll, and generally ask for trouble. If I was you I would just ignore those people. I would like to see most of them handling the business of both the game and forum and see how well they handle it all and how much would they appreciate people complaining about it all the time.

Title: Re: Dr. Flob Rants - Unappreciative people
Post by: Feareh on December 04, 2012, 07:17:21 pm

Almost 80% of the time it's usually little kids that say these accusations out loud in the open. It's quite childish, but it's often a cry for attention which is why I kinda just ignore them. Also people who generally say this is probably in the heat of the moment of just getting banned and don't know how to release that anger.

The staff does try there hardest to make this game possible, and you have to at least respect that. Just try to imagine how it would be like if there was no staff here on FH...there would be chaos everywhere...and what happens when a person is cussing u out or just bullying you in game. Who would you go to...the staff. They are here for us, and take time out there busy lives to make sure everything is organized and balanced. So yea I 100% agree with this rant

Title: Re: Dr. Flob Rants - Unappreciative people
Post by: CloudFish on December 04, 2012, 08:08:48 pm

nothing annoys me more than mindless sheep. often i sit in fluorite watching them graze on the toes that of our beloved staff, giving them all the praise their cocky arses could ever dream of getting. I've been itching to make a thread, but it seems I don't have to, I'll just reply to yours. So thank you for this chance, doctor.


I'll go ahead and get this out of the way, I'll give the staff some credit. Yes, Razmirz is an amazing and awesome individual for keeping the server up and running for all of us to play while the game maker is off with his foot up his rear. Yes Red overworks his butt into the ground to do as much to keep this up as possible. Yes the mods who are meant to be here to enforce the rules and keep this a safe and free escape environment for all of us devote /so/ much time to a game they got a position on ONLY because they were here in lots of their free time anyway. Yes without them, we'd have no Feral Heart.

Oh but wait guys. This isn't always the case. In fact, its only a surface act this whole charade

In response to this quote that you bring to the table. And then how you say "Luckily for my own sake I held my tongue because I could have said something that probably will have hurt at that moment." But I'm done holding my tongue. I'm tired of being a pawn. Or a peasant. Or some user, like others, that can be stepped on and ignored just because we don't have the power to say anything back. I'm tired of watching these guys you all hold as idols ABUSE the power they have and then cover it up with their backasswards and flip-flop rules.

You want me to think about my distaste for this staff team? You want me to consider all that is done for us and praise them and bask in the radiant waves that come off these guys? I think not. I wouldn't be able to play the game and use the forum? Well damn, that'd just be a big ol' great shame wouldn't it? I don't care. I'm on this game for one sole purpose right now and it'd be just as easy to uproot it some where else. These words and these testimonies will probably get me banned. But you know, I'm sure they will. And I'm more than ready to be.

Why?

Because I don't like playing a game where I feel like I'm being fruckin' babysat. And not even for a good reason. But because these staff members are LOOKING for reasons to ban users, reasons to express the power they have. They're a bunch of power hungry idiots save a handful. They use trolling and spying accounts to follow users they KNOW to be troublesome and attempt to get them banned. Forcing these players to feel obligated to move to a private chat for casual conversation, because hell, who knows who could be listening?

I questioned using the names of the mods in questions who did these actions, however, I hardly see the point when they'll just be edited out or just end up more bashing. So I wont'. This isn't a point to call out individuals but as a WHOLE you guys need to really take an outside glance at YOURSELVES.

I once had a conversation with Red, about how the Feral Heart community could be viewed, while he asked mine, I never really got his. So Red, this is directed at you. From an outsiders standpoint, what does the staff team look like?

Well let's clear that up.

Suragaha stated that most users start bashing staff when they get banned. Yes. This is generally the case. Users get banned and they say "Ohman the mods suck!1!". Well as far as it goes, breaking rules WILL get you banned from the game, that's no big whoop. There shouldn't be any reason to stem from that.

However, there are cases where distaste can stem from nothing other than what Red described as "in-game drama". That put users in positions of being the flea bitten users who should be "watched".

Therefore you have the unjustified and justified distaste for the staff team from the inside.

Now, those who praise and believe the staff to be doing a good job..Obviously haven't had the problems of the "in-game drama".

The mods sit out in the plains, or wherever, with their followers of mini-modding cublets/puplets and keep the peace right? They're there to catch rule breakers, and chat and have fun with you. That's all well and good when they're actually doing that.

Which brings me off onto another tangent that may or may not upset the commonmini-modding user.

There has been countless countless posts of old about how the mods aren't doing their job, or how there aren't enough of them to do their job, or all this other crap that will be again and again recalled to defend points. But that isn't what this is about. Guys, if you want the mods to do their jobs, then by god LET them do their jobs.

It's gotten to a ridiculous point where in Fluorite, there are rule breakers, runnin' their yaps, and arguing with other users, because the mods are SITTING on the hill, afk or not, and there are USERS hammering into the offenders telling them to cease what they are doing.

There are entire spouts in general between certain unnamed users who take it upon themselves to DO the job of a mod they are sitting under. I'm all for tossing out a warning, but blatantly pushing yourself upon someone is idiotic, especially when you have no power to do so.

When we see rule breakers, what are we supposed to do? Screenshot, send to mod. Do you see hammer users into the ground with your mini-mod hammer ANYWHERE in the how-to section designated to this? I don't. But hell if it was in there I sure wouldn't be bringing this up.

I've been going to countless other games, just to see their take on these things. And guess what? Mini-modding. Frowned upon. Forbidden. It's not something the staff users encourage. In fact, they get pretty pissy when they see a user prancing about telling people to "stop talking in the general chat". I don't blame 'em. I think I'd be pretty pissed off too. This was heard through the great Feral-Heart vine of distastefulness, but a mod once told another user that one of the admins didn't like her. Why? Because she mini-modded out the butthole. And yet here we are with a user that mini-mods UP said butthole.

So why, why, why, is it even encouraged? Because the mods see it, as what can only been viewed from those who take notice, as a way to slack. They don't HAVE to get on to users, they don't HAVE to call people out. It's ridiculous. Only does it get to a point of where the mini-mods are getting their tails handed to them for BEING mini mods do the moderators step in and decide to put their pants on and tell everyone to shut their yaps.

That isn't to say all of them. But it's happened, and will continue to do so.

Hell, there are even moderators who don't agree with the way things are ran. Why? Because it's immature and unfair.

And not in the sense of "Oh we have to do it this way because we don't have Kov to help us improve the game". No, you know what, I'm so fruckin' tired of that excuse for things that dont apply.. Feral Heart, as it stands right now, could be handled. And it is being handled in the best of the ability to those who do so. Yes there are like five maps with over a 1000 users on at a given time. Yes the game isn't well enough to handle the traffic. But you know, I understand you guys are working with what you're given. I do, god knows I've heard it enough. I KNOW that users break rules and that theres really no way to traffic them. I KNOW that no additions can be made to the game.  But it comes a point where it's just like, "Okay, what does that have to do with this?"

The fact is this place IS a mess. It's what we'd like to call organized chaos. It's pure idiocy in a wrap. Entropy. Everything that comes together will eventually fall apart. And while it may seem like everything is well handled it isn't always the case. There's about as much structure to the entire endeavor as there is to a bean thread. And NO. that isn't the entire fault of the staff in any way shape or form. I'm not SAYING that.

I'm saying, myself, like others, have a reason to dislike the staff.

 I've been trolled by a staff member on a "spy" account. It was taken to a higher up. I didn't have enough proof. Understandable. To an extent. And then I get further trolled by a mod and a mini who come up demanding my side of the "in-game drama". I cursed. There were repercussions. Reprecussion wasn't what angered me. No, what angered me was this moderator exhibiting powers just to prove she could. Claiming she could kick us for no reason other than just because she could. Not only to myself, but to others. And I've seen the same mod give out a ban for no other reason than just because she could and because the user asked them to. As it goes. That is what is setting of this rant now. Not me. But other people. It'd be much mirrored to a police officer locking up your brother, and then you, in a fit of hysteria or anger, "Why don't you just lock me up too?" Well because that's against the law. There's no laws that say "Those who ask shall receive". And if there is, I sure as hell ain't seen it. So quit abusing what you're given. I hope no behavior goes unnoticed.

I've had a user who was friends with a staff member break a rule right in front of me, directed at me, while sitting right next to an admin and let it sit. And then this user has the apt to get on to someone about the same thing. Granted, this user is now a moderator.


But wait, wait, a second guys, where do I get off saying all this? What right do I have? What POINT am I trying to make? How am I in any way credible?

I don't know everything. I'm no saint. I don't have absolute knowledge of what goes on here. But I can make intelligent observations, I can say that I once held the staff in high regards as people who kept this game up for us. And to an extent, I still do. I do enjoy getting out and playing. But not to the point where I'm going to turn a blind eye to what's going on either.

I don't say this for ME. I am not posting this because I've been banned and I'm "angry". No, not in the least. I'm doing this for other people. Other people who feel the way things are being handled on the side of the staff users is not something that can be easily ignored or brushed under the rug. Other people who have been done wrong and are too scared to speak up because the staff wants to kick off anyone who disagrees or doesn't kiss their furry rumps.

So what does this mean coming from me? I have to apologize, I won't say names, but this is pretty much throwing you under the bus, pal. But you know what? You've pretty much threw me under one. Why should I any longer defend you with the knowledge I have now?

I was lined up as a "probable" moderator. Why? Because I was so "helpful", and knew about the rules, and liked about the community. As the little green thing over there shows. I was told that to be a mod, I'd have to be friends with all the other mods.

And then I just stopped and said, "So I have to kiss ass?" No thanks. I didn't want to go befriending people just for the point of doing so, to get a little power of a kicking or so. I still wouldn't and you couldn't pay me to, something of which isn't even offered here. You shouldn't HAVE to do that to get a position here. It shouldn't be that way. Trust or not, some things are just thrown out the window.

And by god, that's all I see people doing, and it makes me sick. Not because they want to be helpful and love this community that we're in, but because they're being friends with these guys who will only consider them if they're worth two bits.

So, I've thought and been over the reasons I dislike the staff users. And you know what? Not a damn thing has changed. I feel the exact same way. And It's something that I'm not only saying for myself, but for others who feel the same. We're not doing this because we hate ALL the staff, we're not doing this because we're all BAD. We're doing this and saying this through this, because we like the game. To an extent we like the community. And that's the basics of it. It needed to be said, and who better to say it then us.

-edit-
things others wanted added:

The fact that mods use their personal lives as an excuse for being arseholes
 if they have a  "bad day", they shouldn't come on FeralHeart at all, let alone abuse their powers.
 Oh, and the fact that people are banned for being "self-centered", and yet we're still walking among mini-mods and godawful staff that think they're the reason the world goes around.
 Possibly how staff are picked by so-called friendships and sucking up to mods.
 The fact that people "friends" with mods are allowed to go around yelling "oh stop arguing before you make me angry.." "okay, let's change the subject now." in General whilst users grovel at their feet and mods sit back doing nothing.

Title: EvilSock's rants - Kabloom.
Post by: EvilSock on December 04, 2012, 08:09:36 pm

Obviously you'd ignore those types of people. They're probably young, they're probably angry at being banned. It's
normal, and till they grow a pair, you'll have to learn to deal with their 'bashing'.

Now, I'm going to express my own opinion here. My own thoughts, though not all of them because they'll be too much for
little eyes to see.

I may go off topic a few times, so my apologies for that. There may be little to no constructive criticism in this post
directed toward the staff team or the overall community, it's just everything in my head, and it needs to come out
regardless of what anyone else thinks. Thank you.

I used to be appreciative of FeralHeart, back when it didn't feel like there were eyes everywhere watching my every
movement and sentence. Feels like there's a freaking CCTV camera everywhere nowadays. This 'game' was SUPPOSED
to be a haven, for everyone, where people's opinions ('long as they weren't causing an infringement of the rules) were
accepted. Now, if you don't behave in a certain way, i.e. shower the staff with waves of love and nuzzles and mini-
mod the hell out of FH because they're just too damn lazy to do it themselves; you'll be automatically ostracized and
dubbed a 'trouble-maker', when in actual fact, you're probably just a harmless creampuff.

This 'game' has changed. For me, for my friends, and for so many others that have yet to voice such. Just the overall feel
once I step in-game. E.g. In the first year of FH, I was rather carefree and always enjoyed it. Even sitting around doing
absolutely nothing and watching people chitchat, I was content. But now, whenever I go in, it just feels like I'm almost
forced into doing so for some reason or another.

And, so, I could care less about a 'game' where people are ridiculing and insulting each other for acting a certain way, or
typing a single sentence in capital characters and being received with a spammed flurry of 'Stop typing in caps plx or I'll
get a MOD to ban you, kfloofbye.' over and over and over again. There's no end to it. People don't even try to get along
with one-another anymore. There are little clique groups everywhere who attack others, yes, attack. The proof's in the
pudding, take one look at General for a few minutes and expect to come across a crossfire. Once, I saw a staff member
criticize a user in General simply because of their name when they were merely chatting, accusing them of attention
seeking and overall, showing them up in front of the whole map; of course, this would have been okayish if said staff
member was a regular member, but they weren't, they were a staff member, and they should be paving the
way for other members to follow suit and behave in a professional manner that's beneficial for all. and that doesn't
include bashing others just because they can and becoming a hypocrite; because once the shepherd decides to let the
wolves in, all hell breaks loose.

But of course, nowadays the staff might not openly be trolling people, but they always have their ALT accounts to spy on
others and troll whenever and however they see fit. ; D Yes, I'm talking to you.

Anyways, having been a long-term user here, it's pretty easy to tell that things have changed dramatically. And even
when these outbursts occur, sometimes I see the little group of staff members in Fluorite going, "General really annoys
me, floofs.". Oh, really? Then why don't YOU sort it out? Even something as simply as telling people to calm down, instead
of banning people left right and center without bothering to give warnings because it's just too hard for you, too much
effort and hard-work on your poor little souls. And that's another thing. Banning without giving warnings. Without
explaining to people or directing them to the rules. I can understand a zero-tolerance policy, but I don't see one
ANYWHERE. It's not even been written down. I'm sorry, but it's just lazy work on the staff's part. You're just members
with a kicky button now. So, I'm not pleased with the situation in-game. And the forums? Eh, not that hard. The contests
are mediocre and repetitive, and some different ones could be added alongside the typical preset ones, because, not
everyone is apt at making presets. The theater event thing is a nice touch; updates could be made a little more
interesting by involving the community more instead of being entirely informative, maybe ask for feedback on something
or have a little question to ask everyone instead of the same old yata yata snoredrool.

In conclusion, I appreciate CERTAIN staff members. You know, the ones that do their job and ban people who deserve to
be banned with a good and justified reason behind it. I also appreciate those who try to make the experience for
members a little bit more... well, more. Especially Razmirz, because the game wouldn't be here without him, and Tigg,
because she's just so much more open minded and responsible. I do not appreciate those who ban members for little to
no reason at all, other than the fact that they do not like that member. That's professional moderation there. No flaws
whatsoever. lolol. Heck, some staff members have even left because they didn't like how things are run... ran... ran.
Yeah.

So, with my incomplete rambling done, I'll be taking my leave along with the continuously growing number of people that
already have done and will be following suit in the future. I loved it, it was fun, but it's not anymore, and that's just it; it
won't get any better, because the same issues have been brought up again and again and again and some of the
staff(and users) are just far too egotistical to wrap their head around any of it or even bother to read at all. M'sorry if any
of you are now suffering from potential butthurt, but I know you'll just wipe that away by locking or deleting this thread
because of it. Diddums.

Title: Re: Dr. Flob Rants - Unappreciative people
Post by: Forests on December 04, 2012, 08:32:24 pm

Well. Here comes my post, now, and my opinion. I am not saying that my opinion is fact, yet I am not going to prod someone that closer to misery.

I actually have no dislike for any of the staff. I actually respect the judgment of the staff. As I said above, my opinion is not fact. Although.
You see some players in general, who act like they know everything, and, well, sometimes they do know quite a bit about feralheart, and we are all supposed to read the rules. It irritates me however how you find some players who correct other's slightest mistake, and even though they are *obviously* not MOD's, they act like they are. They howl like a hunting dog, until they get their own way. You can't go to the staff for that, and that annoys me, as, technically, reporting a problem is not rule-breaking. I'm not mentioning names, I am just saying. Also, you get 'mate beggars' advertising for a mate/ There IS a board here for advertising for mates, but it was only recently I got into the whole 'forum' thing. It annoys me how players abuse others for this, screaming things such as ''Mate beggar!'' at eachother. Sometimes, when you need a MOD around, there is not one there for you.

When I joined feralheart, in the earlier stages of being a member, I was abused by another player. I blocked them, but had no idea how to report them, as I never invested an interest in the forums. It really upset me the words they said to me, and it still nags me intensely thinking about not knowing.

I wish there was a way to make sure people have really read the rules, and make a type of questionairre at the end of the signup when they agree to the terms and conditions etc.

Rant over. I just really had to express how I felt. The staff are there for us as much as they can be, and I respect that. I  do hope everyone else respects that as well, as the staff put time they could be spending with others, into this game, to make it a world as safe as possible.

I find it partly upsetting that some people dislike mods and admins so much

Title: Re: Dr. Flob Rants - Unappreciative people
Post by: i1vet2b on December 04, 2012, 08:37:47 pm

I can't say I disagree with anything Cloudly and Sockly wrote. While I haven't been on in quite a while due to life situations, I know exactly where they are coming from. While there are some staff members I adore and would fly to the moon for, I know too many who are exactly as Sock and Cloud described: lazy, self-absorbed, egotistical, and plain hateful.
I don't know if it's because they hate themselves so much or they just need an excuse to feel powerful, but I've seen the banning that happens for no reason. I've seen the hunting down in search of members who can run off at the mouth a little too much. I for one think it is not only wrong, but incredibly childish.
If the staff really wanted to improve on relations, I'd suggest taking a really close look at those currently trusted with the job. Because kissing someone's bum isn't flattery. It's sugar-coated fear and desperately sought attention.
So to whoever said that they hated the admins here, I completely understand. I know not all of them are bad. As I said, I know quite a few I'd do a lot for. But there are too many who took the job just for the glory and the fame that went along with it.
Now I ask them: Are you still happy with that seat on the throne? How many devoted, loving subjects do you truly have now?

Title: Re: Dr. Flob Rants - Unappreciative people
Post by: BlacklillyofPain on December 04, 2012, 08:44:45 pm

Now, along with the people above, such as Cloud and Evil, I also see what has become of the Staff. I respect a few, and understand that they have 'other lives' and yet, that does not give the mods and Admin with the ban-hammer to strike down with out a warning. I know I am just repeating what Sock had said, but its the truth. I remember when Fh was a hand full of people, and the game was good. Back when people of Fh were quiet, and nearly all friends with each other.

Yes, with an old account that I have well forgotten the name of, I have been around for that long. Currently, I have been watching good people be perma-banned, and even others banned without a full reason. No longer do I see the red words of warning, but the missing friends off of my list.

And like what Cloud had said, many of my friends are targeted as 'trouble-makers', and myself, I am a target. Some not even staff members, but the friends of such, who believe they hold a high rank because of it. No longer can I Rp with some good people, because they are afraid of the chain-holders.

Please understand, that I am only speaking my beliefs, and speaking up for what I am seeing on a daily basis.

Title: Re: Dr. Flob Rants - Unappreciative people
Post by: FeralFireHeart on December 04, 2012, 08:54:41 pm

...... Well...... what I think is that I've never actually seen anyone post something bad about the admins, but some sad people might get a little angry with the staff because of how..... "messed up" the game server is in-game at the mo.
And I've figured out that the staff are in-charge of the banning and stuff, but to be honest, I don't know why people who have been banned make a big deal out of it.
They should know what they've done to deserve it.
~RIGHT, I'm over and out   B)

Title: Re: Dr. Flob Rants - Unappreciative people
Post by: SilverTW on December 04, 2012, 09:41:36 pm

^ I Agreed with all of the above.

I hate people who are like that. People like that probably don't even appreciate the fact that the admins here, work their butts off for all this hard work they do for us all. Also, hate is a strong word, you can't "hate" people, if you've never had any problems with them. Dislike? sure, you may not like the admins but to "hate" them is too far. If they don't like them, they should say that to the admins themselves, because not everybody wants to hear that stuff.

Title: Re: Dr. Flob Rants - Unappreciative people
Post by: CloudFish on December 04, 2012, 09:50:05 pm

Quote from: FeralFireHeart on December 04, 2012, 08:54:41 pm

...... Well...... what I think is that I've never actually seen anyone post something bad about the admins, but some sad people might get a little angry with the staff because of how..... "messed up" the game server is in-game at the mo.
And I've figured out that the staff are in-charge of the banning and stuff, but to be honest, I don't know why people who have been banned make a big deal out of it.
They should know what they've done to deserve it.
~RIGHT, I'm over and out   B)

the discussions going on here have absolutely nothing to do with the game server. and you don't understand why we're making such a big deal? did you not read the posts written before you?

unjust banning is what we are discussing and being spiteful for as far as banning goes. it'd be like someone locking your mother up for buying you the wrong brand of cereal.

Quote from: SilverTW on December 04, 2012, 09:41:36 pm

^ I Agreed with all of the above.

I hate people who are like that. People like that probably don't even appreciate the fact that the admins here, work their butts off for all this hard work they do for us all. Also, hate is a strong word, you can't "hate" people, if you've never had any problems with them. Dislike? sure, you may not like the admins but to "hate" them is too far. If they don't like them, they should say that to the admins themselves, because not everybody wants to hear that stuff.

not one of us has stated we don't appreciate what they DO for us, however we do not appreciate the things they do against us, the users, as a whole. not singled out. but in general. you also say that "you can't "hate" people" and then in the beginning say you hate people like "us". sounds more like you're just hating yourself if you're referring to the user base as a general body.

Title: Re: Dr. Flob Rants - Unappreciative people
Post by: wolffox on December 04, 2012, 09:52:37 pm

Whoa whoa.
FIRST OF ALL, some of you users are being quite rude to each other, the staff, and the community in general. No flaming, please. State your opinions, sure, but keep it civil in here.

Now.
I came here and smiled at the first few posts... and then bam, right in the feels!

Okayokay.
I'm going to ATTEMPT to make this short and simple.

Granted, as to what some of you floofs are saying, I know quite a bit of it is/was true. Especially before certain mods were kicked off the staff team. The staff members we have now, however, are all my good friends. And every last one of them is, just what you are, a human being. Perfection? Nope. None of us are. But power hungry nublets running around finding excuses to ban people? We aren't that either. That's a pretty ridiculous accusation if you ask my personal opinion.

As for mini-mods: the staff discourges this behavior every time we see it happening. Maybe you don't see the person being scolded, but ask around and you'll find out some things you never knew before. We don't like mini-mods. We don't like butt-kissers.

I think I speak for all of the staff team when I say this:
We respect you until you give us a reason not to.

Now I know some of you are gonna go all NEEHRRRRR U DON'T LET US SAY OUR FEELS NER.
You had your opinion. This is mine.
And here's a fact for you; anyone and everyone who is banned from this game deserved it.

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I could go on and give you guys a 6-book series but I'll leave it at this.
Most likely locking this thread soon.

Title: Re: Dr. Flob Rants - Unappreciative people
Post by: Crin on December 04, 2012, 10:03:40 pm

Quote from: wolffox on December 04, 2012, 09:52:37 pm

Whoa whoa.
FIRST OF ALL, some of you users are being quite rude to each other, the staff, and the community in general. No flaming, please. State your opinions, sure, but keep it civil in here.

Now.
I came here and smiled at the first few posts... and then bam, right in the feels!

Okayokay.
I'm going to ATTEMPT to make this short and simple.

Granted, as to what some of you floofs are saying, I know quite a bit of it is/was true. Especially before certain mods were kicked off the staff team. The staff members we have now, however, are all my good friends. And every last one of them is, just what you are, a human being. Perfection? Nope. None of us are. But power hungry nublets running around finding excuses to ban people? We aren't that either. That's a pretty ridiculous accusation if you ask my personal opinion.

As for mini-mods: the staff discourges this behavior every time we see it happening. Maybe you don't see the person being scolded, but ask around and you'll find out some things you never knew before. We don't like mini-mods. We don't like butt-kissers.

I think I speak for all of the staff team when I say this:
We respect you until you give us a reason not to.

Now I know some of you are gonna go all NEEHRRRRR U DON'T LET US SAY OUR FEELS NER.
You had your opinion. This is mine.
And here's a fact for you; anyone and everyone who is banned from this game deserved it.

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I could go on and give you guys a 6-book series but I'll leave it at this.
Most likely locking this thread soon.

I really can't say any more than what she has said here. You have to keep in mind that we do a lot of behind-the-scenes things. For every ban there is a legitimate reason, for every topic locked or thread deleted it is just the same. I consider each and every current staff member my family. And with the things I know we all go through on a daily basis just here on FH, I don't think we're doing a half-bad job. We don't go around using our ability to ban like it's a toy, and mods don't always use red text to get the point across. We do kick an awful lot of mini modders, when it comes down to it. We're more aware of what's going on around us than it seems sometimes.

Title: Re: Dr. Flob Rants - Unappreciative people
Post by: SilverTW on December 04, 2012, 10:04:52 pm

A little of topic but, I meant "hate" as in "I hate when I see it happen"; My wording is not good today :(. Sorry for confusing ya' floofs.

Title: Re: Dr. Flob Rants - Unappreciative people
Post by: EvilSock on December 04, 2012, 10:08:49 pm

Thanks for your responses to absolutely nothing. :)

Title: Re: Dr. Flob Rants - Unappreciative people
Post by: Silvertide on December 04, 2012, 10:17:36 pm

Title: Re: Dr. Flob Rants - Unappreciative people
Post by: Silvertide on December 04, 2012, 10:35:56 pm

Quote from: wolffox on December 04, 2012, 09:52:37 pm

anyone and everyone who is banned from this game deserved it.

And

Quote from: Crin on December 04, 2012, 10:03:40 pm

For every ban there is a legitimate reason

(Sorry for re-posting by the way, but when I made my long post I found a whole lot of posts before mine that posted before I could)

Now going along with my innocent friends being banned, those quotes would not be true. That one guy was doing NOTHING. Do I have to put that in caps lock? I know there are reasons behind plenty of bans that are valid but, what about those innocent people who did nothing?

Title: Re: Dr. Flob Rants - Unappreciative people
Post by: Zarago on December 04, 2012, 10:40:07 pm

It looks like I'm late to the party.

I'll begin with Doctor's rant. I haven't, personally, seen anyone raving in General about the moderators (I did see one case of it on the forums regarding a ban) but I can believe it. If the person got kicked or one of their friends did, then it is understandable that a noob would flame about it. They obviously are ignorant, too, since they said 'admins' and not 'moderators'. It's unlikely that they were banned/kicked by an administrator.

Let's get into it.

I agree to a hell of a lot stated in the replies (CloudFish and Sock, mostly) and it needed to be said. I'm sick of having
moderators breathing down my neck; threatening to kick me without explaining why (I'm a sociopath, I need an explanation if my wrongdoings fit into that 'social' field, as they apparently often are); being spied on by the moderator-wannabes for their 'gods'; being banned/kicked for non-bannable/kickable offenses. I could continue with this list, but I fear that this thread would be locked before I finished.

I don't want any of you moderators trying to defend yourselves - the evidence is clear. Just look at all the people with the exact same opinion to mine. If you're still not convinced, take this hideous 'floof' as your example. A moderator was spewing this 'word' in General purely to annoy me and a couple of other members. When I finally plucked up the courage to say, "Shut up" I was immediately kicked. There is no way in Oblivion that a moderator could kick me that quickly without being ready to do so. This has nothing to do with butthurt n00bs sobbing over a petty kick for cussing or movie-spamming. This is to do with the members who've been here for longer - far longer. Hell, I was here before the game was even released. It has not been pleasant watching all these users work their way into modship because they suck up to the administrators more than the other members.

I have to give credit to some, though. Red for keeping this afloat along with Razmirz and Tigg, because she doesn't have her head in an administrator's ass and she is fully aware of what's going on.

Stop this nonsense. We all want moderators who can actually do their job the way they're SUPPOSED TO. We don't want suck-ups, we don't want moderators who sit on their arses surrounded by their arrogant mini-mods waiting for someone to ban. A moderator's job is to make a better environment for everyone, not a worse one.

Title: Re: Dr. Flob Rants - Unappreciative people
Post by: wolffox on December 04, 2012, 10:43:08 pm

Quote from: Silvertide on December 04, 2012, 10:35:56 pm

Quote from: wolffox on December 04, 2012, 09:52:37 pm

anyone and everyone who is banned from this game deserved it.

And

Quote from: Crin on December 04, 2012, 10:03:40 pm

For every ban there is a legitimate reason

(Sorry for re-posting by the way, but when I made my long post I found a whole lot of posts before mine that posted before I could)

Now going along with my innocent friends being banned, those quotes would not be true. That one guy was doing NOTHING. Do I have to put that in caps lock? I know there are reasons behind plenty of bans that are valid but, what about those innocent people who did nothing?

(http://i.imgur.com/pJj6H.gif)

If your friends were really doing "nothing" they would not have gotten banned. Moderators do not ban for no reason. Period.
As for the other things you said, especially about getting angry when you see mods snuggled up in a pile with other users.
I'm sorry, I didn't know that staff members aren't allowed to curl up with their friends like normal users. My bad.

---

This thread has gotten out of hand. Cussing and all.

My perspective? If you're unhappy with the staff, no one says you have to play the game. If you don't like being watched, the way we watch ALL users to make sure everyone is following the rules, why did you agree to follow the rules when you signed up? If you were not breaking them, being watched wouldn't be a problem.

Locking this.

Title: Re: Dr. Flob Rants - Unappreciative people
Post by: Redlinelies on December 05, 2012, 01:47:01 am

What can I start off with? Where exactly should I try to sum up a nice, respectful, understandable topic that covers all these things some users claim in here? I'm not really sure if it could be done in this case, but writing can always be done.

I feel a bit unhappy about some users though, mainly because I have seen their ways of how to deal with things and as far as I can see they have certainly not stayed on the neutral side, to be honest I get a slight of feeling we are going back to school, how there's users who just decide to be up against, bring up points against the teachers for the sake of it, not really because it's right, just because they can and want to be heard by the grudges they hold against said users or group.

Something I find extremely interesting in here is that some users that proceeds to voice their opinions on the matter, explaining how oh so horribly the staff or certain mods take care of matters, I have seen giving childish behavior in the game because of smaller or bigger things in which they did, things that clearly will not get you anywhere if you go by the game rules, but also those trying to enforce and take care of what we have right here for the game and community. Some words I read, in all honesty I feel great disgust for, I know very well what you have done and are capable of, yet still you believe you are so right in this and being so mistreated, but the case is really down to your own personal behavior against certain users or staff. Anyone can put up a mindmap of events, the things provided for them to lean either left or right. Personally I have tried to get to know users on an even level, know how they are or can be like, and in all honesty I didn't feel like a big exclamation mark and question myself,"Why is this being said?!". Even though no one can be everywhere and see and know everything, I feel some certainty of the things spewed out there, either how wrong or right they might be.

Not exactly sure how I even can this say without pointing fingers, but if you are honestly going to ignore board rules to get your rant fix sorted out, going with this whole "If I get banned then so be it" attitude, you are just grinding yourself down and being quite ignorant, it's as if you want to put up some sort of defense or point out that the staff or mods on the forum don't let people talk out and just slam the banhammer down. Keep in mind though, as long as it's civil, done accordingly and not create more drama than necessary no one is going anywhere. But don't push your luck, everything has it's limits, and this behavior I have a hard time to stand. Lets just say that trolling a staff member because you feel mistreated will not get you anywhere, it just makes you look immature, and certainly will not help you anywhere.

I might need to go a lot with what "I" and "me" have to do in this, but maybe there's a greater chance that some can comprehend what it is I'm talking about, and to be fair I see my name mentioned here and there as well.

I feel a bit disappointed reading this, what are you guys trying to do exactly.... What exactly are the legit reasons to have this sort of narrow look on certain users and members of this community.

Is it because they can say and step forward in times in which others really shouldn't?
Is it because they get praise for playing the very same game you do while you do not?
Is it because they appear to have friends that are willing and daring to step forward and speak for them and their work?

This is really how I start to think here, because even though I don't know all you guys in person, I have seen most of you around by just spending my time into this very place, site and game, taking care of those things I can and in the process getting placed either inside of troublesome situations, or directly in front of to deal with. There's been so many cases where users hold this grudge, and just do not act right in the position they are in, not even willing to try to sort out valid points or proof of what they want to bring up, and when they are being told that it's not enough, that things point them against the stream, everyone is so horrible. Some don't even say anything at all until it's too late, and their blame papers go pretty much all over the place for everyone to read.

Being a mod or admin might not be the prettiest job at times, you need to be prepared for what can get handed to you for just mere existing which always isn't too pretty. But something I can say, that honestly bites quite deep in me is when users group up. Things like receiving a sloppy report, about something, someone or some people did. When the reporters fail to provide any clear proof of what's happening, and the only thing that's given is a list of names of their friends, friends or contacts that has been seen breaking rules in the game every once in a while, friends that has gone around with whining about not getting noticed or how they got into an argument with a mod. This has happened, and if you do not sit in the area to notice, words come around one way or another. Sometimes it can even come directly from a user within a said group that slips up and maybe say something they shouldn't when you are around. And then... They question themselves why things are not going their way, or way they are not being trusted. While the other way around has proof and names that is appointed to trust and powers.

The staff, mods, and even some users are not blind bats guys, they can see and hear just as you can, but they certainly cannot watch everything that goes on behind their back and there will be things slipping through, but trying to start a storm or claim to be in right when you can't even prove it to 1 individual that was not there, then you are just taking it too far.

Don't speak of clear evidence if you can't even provide them..

I even hear crap inside of the game about users whining about mods playing favors, or how they play bets on who that will be the next mod, and how unfair it is. But do you, really someone with some negative history and that refuse to show they changed for the better, or just a mishap, and is willing to prove their right or voice by dedication and understanding of what went wrong. If you want to know, many has been watched for their actions and discussed about if they were to be one, but as times goes on, the holds or choices placed start to become clear as glass. Might not be a thing to say here but I just think it should be pointed out.

But regarding these bans again

No bans happen for "no reason"
Ever since I the whole no reason things started, it has honestly lost a bit of meaning to me, it's almost daily sometimes I get words about users getting banned for no reason, or how mean and unfair the power abusing mods are. Since I am in the position I am in, and want to make sure that this is not the case I pretty much ALWAYS check up on the user and their situation, and without lying 99% of the time I got lied directly to my face. It doesn't matter who did it, I see that the users got in the position they are in for a reason, proof provided many times, I even might be the one who needed to take care of things myself just to hear the nice story of "Someone did this to me, I never did anything wrong".

Of course, no one can judge everything perfectly, but if you are a user in possession of some sort of power or responsibility, you will get both praise or hate, try to find artists or well known people, even leaders throughout the time that only had likes going their way. Even only likes might be the wrong call in some cases if you as the person you are think further.

Things like users contacting me inside of the game, trying to get certain users or even MODs in problems, I tell them the situation, what I want them to do or should do, and when it doesn't go quite as they wanted, I get attitude thrown my way, and when I point this out and make a clear warning that I do not want this behavior, it either keeps on going, or I hear the next day, week, how an god awful staff member I am and how Raz is horrible, how I myself is a immature brat, and how the staff following is even worse. It's no great experience just because you wanted to play the game fair. Imagine what a potential staff team would look like if anyone that was placed in a higher position than someone else would yell at mods or admins because they heard something from someone regarding something. What is done is usually that things are looked into, and if it appears true and brought to light, then it's another story, but in all honesty I shouldn't even need to say this.

I myself can barely even go on the game and leave my character on brb or afk status anymore. If someone did something out of the rules way, or whispers sent regarding something I should be able to assist with and do not jump at it, well I might get bitten in the butt for it later on, even just sitting and switching between activities on my screens, looking at the forum or DA group, trying to discuss issues or troubles others are having elsewhere, getting back just a bit too late. Well herp derp, "That Red is such a waste" is exactly something that I can hear the very next day, or even have complete newbies come up to me, never spoken or seen before "Hey you are really nice, you are not so mean/stupid as some say!" And I believe this is something that could happen to anyone on the staff at times, all I know is that when it comes to this community itself, there's those who really like to go behind and discuss things, if staff does something similar well they are bumholes. I'm not saying this to feel sorry for myself, it's just so you can comprehend how situations are.

Even though it honestly sometimes isn't as nice as some makes it out to be, the praise and support the staff and mods get from you the users, whether it's a causal thanks, or someone fangirling/boying over the position and not your work, is pretty much one of the very few positive things and thanks the staff and mods receive, and in ways it appears users think they do not even deserve or should have that. Counting that way, taking care of the game, site and you guys, is pretty much solitary done from your own perspective and what you are willing to give, even sacrifice into this community. The time I myself spent into this community sometimes makes me scared if I should continue, but I feel the place here is something I make use in, I feel needed even when times are dull and gray, and I hope that there's good majority who wants me here and even need me. And even if you aren't in an admin position, you can feel the exact same way as long as you are willing.. to actually throw your everything into it.

But if you want to bring discussion about past events, make sure you have been there and actually even tried to do so, bringing up on an even level with proof that could be seen valid, and stop expecting the staff to kiss up to your choices or words because you can spread negativity, I am not the one who runs this place alone, but I certainly try to push onto every mod that they should go with what's right, not what's easy. Yes, mods might be stricter, harsher, some days than others, they might feel like they are more willing to put effort into keeping track on certain users that others. But this is not something that doesn't happen anyplace else. I myself if I see a user treating myself like a little mold on someones knee, I'd certainly spike my ears if I see them around or even take that extra step to see if they got more things going on under their coat.

Red text never appearing anymore?
Is this really something to bring up here? Most should know by now that whenever the read text appears, horrors are brought upon the chats for everyone, even complaints about ew mods or ew spam, a kick or shorter ban can be just as much of a warning as a Red text showing for 150+ users inside of a map, when only 3 did something wrong, maybe even less. Some people just expect they know how things work more than they actually do. Personally I rather see someone booted of quietly than getting spam in the chats and having the offender pointed out all the time, even if it was me. I'd be given an honest chance to improve over the either, seconds, or days that I was booted off to sort out and read up on.

But regarding the whole mods playing a dirty game, kicking and using powers for bad reasons, well contact me then, let me know about your issues and show me some proof of what's going on instead of sitting in the game complaining about how we do nothing or everything wrong, if you don't have anything saved up or were prepared of what happened, then don't run around making things worse that will just make the stream go against you.

Regarding the game
There will always be things to point out about this, and if there's lower support or things that has stopped to an halt, then it will be a lot harder to push the car off the freeway. I can understand it's not always an excuse, but it's a very good point in this honestly. It's not only that just taking care of the game itself and doing things with it, it's really that the users in general want things to happen and new content. The majority of people in this world would be more happy and willing to tackle things throughout the day if they got a little reward once in a while, and this is no fiction.

As blunt as it sounds there's many things in this thread I will not be able to buy, not speaking of the situations some of you guys are speaking of, it's more about the details within them and the bases your ground your posts on. There's a lot of things mentioned in here that shouldn't even matter to you guys. If you want to discuss things and want a point proven, especially something like this, I'll certainly ensure that you do this on good basis as well outwards, maybe you could have been treated better in certain situations, or something not quite understood as it should. But spreading crap around will certainly not be something I will listen to, and the things you have seen as clear proof, who knows, maybe I stand on the other side of this staring right back at you and have or know something you do not.

So please respect that I do not want to see any more ban discussion in this topic, nor do I want to hear about how mods were naughty without anything provided to me or anyone else.

I already explained enough, so feel free to either embrace or scoof away, it's all right there for you to read.

Title: Re: Dr. Flob Rants - Unappreciative people
Post by: Feareh on December 05, 2012, 04:52:12 pm

I'm pretty sure this topic should be locked now o_o to avoid any other conflicts and mixed feelings
Plus...there is enough long post to read.

Title: Re: Dr. Flob Rants - Unappreciative people
Post by: LordSuragaha on December 05, 2012, 06:05:51 pm

The topic was locked yesterday and then reopened. Several mods have seen it already too and honestly as I told another user yesteday:
Everyone is entitled to their opinions so it's an interesting discussion, at least to me it is. I actually appreciate that Doctor Flob wrote this post since alot of people got to air themselves out a bit about negative and positive feelings about the staff and so forth. We need more knitty gritty discussions like this on the forum so long as rules, respect, and honesty are still priority no matter how heated the discussion gets. I appreciate that the mods have reopened it since it has been nice to hear everyone's feelings but especially because it provides a way for not only the mods to learn potential new ways to their approaches and work in this community but for the regular users to also understand more of the staff's side as well and learn how to play and coincide together. Constructive criticism is a healthy thing especially if we want to keep this community together and everyone happy.

Title: Re: Dr. Flob Rants - Unappreciative people
Post by: SteampunkWolfdog on December 05, 2012, 06:50:24 pm

I honestly didn't think that the post would stimulate this much discussion xD. I agree with what Suragaha is saying in that discussion such as this one are good for the community. I believe that we can learn one or two things from each other; I certainly have.
However, during this discussion I couldn't help but notice, what I interpret as, some aggressive language coming from people. By aggressive I don't mean worked up, angry, or aggrivated...just very emotive. I see a lot of people have strong opinions here. It was never my intention to start a war, guys! :D
And anyway, my thoughts and opinions stand exactly where they stood when I started this thread.

Title: Re: Dr. Flob Rants - Unappreciative people
Post by: Silvertide on December 05, 2012, 09:47:26 pm

I'm also glad this was reopened, and I'd like to say I'm sorry for being childish. There's those little things that get me mad, and then an opportunity to speak up arose, so I went for it. I was surprised that other people shared my views, so I was happy, still am. Some of the things Red mentioned are not true for me, while other times they are. But I didn't post that because of one little issue, I'm genuinely annoyed by more than that. I brought up some trivial things, but like I said above, I felt I needed to say it, I wasn't trying to spread negativity.

And I'm not saying it's bad to hang out with others by the way, it's just that when there are mods/staff hanging out at the N/Z, I see them piled together with huge amounts of people swarming about them, so much that the lag gets really bad. In other games when a mod comes by, a few people might walk over and say hi for a casual chat, just because mods are cool, but I also remember a while ago that I was actually afraid to confront mods. Mods were like, the boss; you could stalk them and be all, "Whoa I found a mod!" But when I see swarms of people hanging around mods now-a-days, I get agitated. Sometimes I feel that mods think they are above us, of course I don't know that, it's just what I think. What I'm saying may be childish, but I just needed to let it out, you could say. I hope others will share their opinions civilly, because I like to read. I really thought about what Red, wolffox, and Crin said.

Title: Re: Dr. Flob Rants - Unappreciative people
Post by: Redlinelies on December 05, 2012, 10:30:05 pm

We decided to re-open it to give chance for users to reply a bit instead if they wanted something said.

But I can agree, the topic itself will not spread much good on this forum and the situations brought up I know exactly what is pointed towards, but they are not justified to me, nor professionally spoken of in some places.

Just like any other player, a staff and mod might not respect you back if you don't do the same for them, and I'm not speaking of kissing up. Personally, doesn't matter where it is here on the internet or the thing we call real life. If someone treats me badly for just being around, I will not put up a red carpet for them to walk on. Some users claim more respect, and to know more about situations they truly do not.

If you want to be acknowledged, understood, and respected, then you must show you can be the same. If you have anything you want to tell me or anyone else regarding this whole modding situation, such as mods grouping and acting badly, then feel free to contact and explain what's going on with something to show.

I will lock this away to prevent any further derping going on.

Title: Re: Dr. Flob Rants - Unappreciative people
Post by: wolffox on December 06, 2012, 02:19:43 am

Quote from: Red on December 05, 2012, 10:30:05 pm

Just like any other player, a staff and mod might not respect you back if you don't do the same for them, and I'm not speaking of kissing up. Personally, doesn't matter where it is here on the internet or the thing we call real life. If someone treats me badly for just being around, I will not put up a red carpet for them to walk on. Some users claim more respect, and to know more about situations they truly do not.

If you want to be acknowledged, understood, and respected, then you must show you can be the same.

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