Feral Heart
Game & Forum Discussion => Game Discussion => Topic started by: EnderStar on March 24, 2013, 12:05:20 am
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I modified this post because in the oringinal post I was kind of rude. Sorry to people who were offended.
To start of, I'm fine with people not being used to english... Like they're from a different country. They may have an accent or they may type and speak a whole different language and they are trying to learn english. That's fine.
I'm also fine with younger people who haven't learned all the words of english. Or if they just don't know how to spell some bigger words. I'd appreciate it if somebody told me they were from a different country that spoke a different language or their grammar might be poor because they have not learned how to spell everything correctly.
But for teenagers or older, I just don't get it. Maybe you came from a game that has a shortened chat so you feel like you cannot type a lot at all. That's fine but I mean if you know that you can type a lot, and you know how to spell all the words... Lol. xD As long as I can at least understand you.
Some people talk like this: "So howz are you and sturf?"
I actually really like that. Because I cometimes change my words around when I'm feeling random so I canz sound leik a kitteh. :D LOL. Chattin' leik dat ish fine by mez.
What is your opinion about grammar?
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Most of the people who are considered to be illiterate can perfectly read good grammar; some just don't know how and/or choose not to use it out of laziness. Some people could also come from games such as WolfQuest or others that limit one's typing ability. Heck, I've even seen people make fun of illiteracy and purposely type poorly. I haven't come across too bad of people out there in the public maps lately, but that's probably because I prefer to stick to myself at times. I do know, however, that they're not stupid. Confused, perhaps.
Since I have a pretty high tolerance for most things, grammar doesn't really phase me unless it considers RP. I don't mind chatting. The people I've met who have "incomprehensible writing" are extremely nice and most likely nicer than some of the literate snobs I've seen on Feral-Heart.
The best you can do is to help the folks who would be willing to learn, if you have the patience. The couple I have taught greatly benefited from Muddy's School of Excellence. From the diminishing amounts of literate players on Feral-Heart (at least it seems like it), recruiting some students would increase the numbers. This is by no means a well-thought solution; however, I'd be willing to try it.
Trust me, I was at the bottom for a long time too, but setting the example sometimes really does help. I know when I first joined Feral-Heart, the literate people were my role-models and looked up to them.
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Yeah, I wasn't trying to sound rude in my topic. I completly understand what said about people having a limited amount of space to type. Minecraft does that, it's pretty short. But I still manage to fit all my literate words in there. xD I want to teahc people but I'm afraid some would be offended no matter how polite I am. Maybe I'll try it occasionally if someone if just super bad at it.
But eh, maybe I just have to learn to tolerate it a bit more. There are tons of people out there with less literate punctuation and spelling as others. But as said before, if someone is really that bad and I cannot undertsand them, then I will ask them if they could repeat that differently because I could not make out some words.
Hey Christmas colors. ^3^
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Let's see...
What do you think about poor grammar?
I think that there are far to many Grammar Gods on Feral Heart and I think that a topic like this that's really just criticizing individuals that have bad grammar is very sad. We have all met some individuals in game who fall under this category that most people label here as "illiterate" or "newbie/noob". I'll admit I've had my fair share of weird conversations with random strangers that I just couldn't understand a word that they were saying but each time I remained polite about it and tried my best to help them out. Some of these people are very young or don't speak English as their first language or have countless other valid reasons for spelling or speaking a certain way. Running around pointing out someone's grammar errors isn't any nicer just because you go to school or you're older etc... If you genuinely can't understand what someone is saying the nice thing to do is say something like "I'm sorry but I don't understand what you're trying to say. I wish I could help but maybe someone else can." What gets me annoyed is when you say something like this:
Some people arn't perfect, I know that. But for some younger newbies ask me something, "how do i mak a marking like urs/" I'm just going to disconnect or move to another map because I am not going to waste my time trying to explain something to you if I can't even understand what your saying. I have no clue if people with bad grammar can read decent grammar. Lol. xD
If a person especially a so called "newbie" gets the courage to ask a senior member like you for help or advice you shouldn't be rude about it and poof off... I mean really this has happened to me on other games and it's exactly why I grow to dislike the community because people treat new comers or "illiterates" like a nuisance and pest to the community. Be mature about it and tell them either you don't understand etc but don't just straight up leave a person hanging because of things like that.
I'll give you an example. A while back I was sitting around in Bonfire with a friend and this person comes up to us asking for help. They didn't type English sentences down so well but my friend and I remained patient and tried our best to help this person. After a few minutes we really couldn't understand what the person was trying to say but they told us they only speak German well. We told the person politely that we couldn't understand much of what they were saying but asked them to follow us into Ficho Tunnel. I lead that person to individuals that I was sure could help because they are always speaking what appears to be German in the corner in Ficho by the Lonely Cave corner. When we arrived they were immediately able to help and the person thanked us for having the patience to deal with her.
Of course not every situation goes that smooth but at least be a good sport about it and try to help someone the best you can Endur. I know you're a very nice person but actions like what you described above will often make a person think you're a snob. Remember we all had to start somewhere and none of us were pros from the start. You represent this community as a whole.
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I didn't mean to sound rude. I think I should change what I said above. I had sort of a bad day yesterday when I wrote this so... sorry to sound kind of mean.
I will understand if a person told me they were from a different country and they told me they may be bad at english, then I would give them more patience. And if I knew they were younger I would give them mroe patience. It's just in a multiplayer game I'm surronded by people my age and older -- and I'm one of the only one's who types full words. I guess I'm just really used to that and I forgot that Feral Heart is a game for everyone.
And I'm actually not that old. Don't even bother looking at the age I put on my Feral Herat profile lol... I'm 12. Almost 13 but... still I'm kind of young, you can say.
I'll give you an example. A while back I was sitting around in Bonfire with a friend and this person comes up to us asking for help. They didn't type English sentences down so well but my friend and I remained patient and tried our best to help this person. After a few minutes we really couldn't understand what the person was trying to say but they told us they only speak German well. We told the person politely that we couldn't understand much of what they were saying but asked them to follow us into Ficho Tunnel. I lead that person to individuals that I was sure could help because they are always speaking what appears to be German in the corner in Ficho by the Lonely Cave corner. When we arrived they were immediately able to help and the person thanked us for having the patience to deal with her.
I like that story. I should try getting a little more patient with people. And I sorry I said I would just leave, again I had a bad day... Really I think I would say: "I cannot understand you, could you try repating the sentence?" Or something like that. I'm not trying to change anybody I'm just saying for the older people that know how to type, and they are english, if they could just take a moment to say the whole sentence... I would like that.
Anyway I'm going to modify what I said. I look back at it now and yeah... I was pretty rude. xD Sorry about that. And sorry to anyone who was offended. You have the right to throw pebbles at me. xP
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I absolutely hate it when people are obsessed with correcting peoples typos and spazz when people get 'your' and 'you're' wrong. Yes it can be over looked or they just don't care but I don't think people need to rage over it. I've been ignoring peoples typos since I started playing, us correcting them isn't going to educate them it's just going to annoy them lol.
I always try to spell everything correctly but if other people can't be bothered, hey, it's just a game. There is no need to turn it into a spelling test, lets not make the game a chore.
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Oh God, I always get 'you're' and 'your' mixed up. I don't even notice it sometimes. I don't correct people I just sit there and derp.
But hey, the hmaun mnid olny nedes to ralely see the fsirt and lsat lteetr of the wrod. All the ohetr lterets can be mxeid up hweoevr it wntas.
So I'm cool auobt it now.
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Unless I'm roleplaying, I'm fine with all types of grammar, as long as I understand it.
Because if I can't understand what you're saying then I'm probably just going to awkwardly sit there...
But from all the years of roleplaying, I've noticed that people that type well have more experience in rolepaying and don't powerplay, cause drama in the group, and don't annoy the other players. Mostly, because these things have happened in literate groups I've been in, but not usually.
Like Enderstar, I'm fine with the younger players that can't type out big words or don't know how to spell that well.
Heck, I was once typing "lyke thus" when I was really new to the Internet. At least that's what I remember.
I've even had really good friends that were as young as me on here, and we didn't care much about grammar.
What really bugs me is the people that can't spell and they think they're extremely smart and better than other people.
I've seen this loads of times, here on FH and just on random places too.
That's when I start correcting their grammar and sentences. XD
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I dont know if I may say that but,
It is difficult to find a RP group if you are german mostly I and my friends must play with other german
people because english groups dont want to accept people which cant write english correctly.
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I dont know if I may say that but,
It is difficult to find a RP group if you are german mostly I and my friends must play with other german
people because english groups dont want to accept people which cant write english correctly.
That's very rude of them. :/
Have you tried explaining to people that English is not your first language?
I'm sure people will understand that you aren't native to the language and will accept you. c:
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OOC, any old level of grammar and spelling is fine with me. I definitely prefer to RP with more "literate" people though, and I must confess the tiny mistakes like "your"/"you're" do get to me a lot XD I try my best not to comment on it however, and honestly most of the time I just think to myself "They'll get better, they're probably doing their best to learn" or "It's a typo, ignore it".
It's funny, when I started playing FH I was squarely in the semi-literate bracket. I looked up to the literate players, but at times they did seem a tad...not snobbish, but perhaps just intimidating because of the amount of attention they put into their typing.
After I moved into a more literate style, I'm afraid to say I did become a teeny bit high-and-mighty for a while >.< I would love to say "I can understand it if you're using a phone and you only have one thumb to work with. On a keyboard you have all ten digits, so why doesn't anybody seem to use them?" (which I guess is still valid if English is the person's first language and they genuinely are just being lazy when they have the ability to spell things fully)
At this point I figure it would take far too long for me to correct every spelling/grammar mistake or typo someone says, and it won't really get me or them anywhere.
Someone mentioned the idea of a FH school(which is awesome, provided that there are enough pro-active users who want to join in), and it reminded me of a particular experience I had with an older group I lead. This group was mapped, and I happened to get three or four people joining at once, all of whom had never installed a map before. That was fine, I didn't mind teaching them, but they just wouldn't listen half the time and got confused even though I might have explained the same step three times. I dunno. That's less of a literacy thing, but they were evidently all new players. Not entirely sure what point I was trying to make with that, actually...probably something like "Most of the people on here are lovely, but it sucks when they're too hyperactive to pay attention to important things they asked about".
Uhh...I appear to have lost my train of thought to an extent...muffins for everypony, I suppose. *throws*
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I'm actually alright with any literacy/level of RP as long as I can read the text/post. ^^ I mean, no ones perfect. I don't dunerstand nor use Wolfseak, so I someties as the user to stop using it if I can't understand the post (*Only in cases where it's extreme use of Wolfspeak. I'm OK with minor useage, e.g; The ebony canine licked his dark black maw while his golden optics scanned the dark forests of Lupniar Lake. He scowled, his tall columns standing proudly as he waited for his broter to return from the hunt. His short, thick banner swayed from side to side as he patiently waited for his siblings.
I'm OK with that ammount of usage, not a wolfspeak word every second word. :P)
Bit yeah, I'm totally fine with any Form of RP as long as it's understandable.
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I'm probably in the semi-advanced/advanced (Semi-lit/Lit) section fo the RP rank 'ladder' you could say, I only really post longer posts when I have inspiration, yet I have enough descriptive words to make it interesting for the reader. Yet I do poost shortr posts at times, during abattle I could have like 2 posts just about the same attack, while when just greeting someoen in a RP; I would really only do one or two sentences. ^^' I don't mind teh length fo a post. But if I made a literate/advanced RP tehn I would look for lengthy posts etc. But most fo the time, I don't mind or care about the length of a post, I mostly care about being able to understand and read it. ^^
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I understand that you may/may not be able to understand a person but try and help them. It may take time out of your day but I think that the fact you helped that one person who needed it is a lot better than Role Playing. Not all of you will agree with me but that doesn't bother me. I know you aren't trying to sound rude but the fact is that it is sort of rude to just point out grammer and spelling errors. You were once an illiterate player and so was every one else. Wjy not put yourself in that "illiterate player's" shoes and maybe you will see they are really trying.
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OOC, any old level of grammar and spelling is fine with me. I definitely prefer to RP with more "literate" people though, and I must confess the tiny mistakes like "your"/"you're" do get to me a lot XD I try my best not to comment on it however, and honestly most of the time I just think to myself "They'll get better, they're probably doing their best to learn" or "It's a typo, ignore it".
It's funny, when I started playing FH I was squarely in the semi-literate bracket. I looked up to the literate players, but at times they did seem a tad...not snobbish, but perhaps just intimidating because of the amount of attention they put into their typing.
After I moved into a more literate style, I'm afraid to say I did become a teeny bit high-and-mighty for a while >.< I would love to say "I can understand it if you're using a phone and you only have one thumb to work with. On a keyboard you have all ten digits, so why doesn't anybody seem to use them?" (which I guess is still valid if English is the person's first language and they genuinely are just being lazy when they have the ability to spell things fully)
At this point I figure it would take far too long for me to correct every spelling/grammar mistake or typo someone says, and it won't really get me or them anywhere.
Someone mentioned the idea of a FH school(which is awesome, provided that there are enough pro-active users who want to join in), and it reminded me of a particular experience I had with an older group I lead. This group was mapped, and I happened to get three or four people joining at once, all of whom had never installed a map before. That was fine, I didn't mind teaching them, but they just wouldn't listen half the time and got confused even though I might have explained the same step three times. I dunno. That's less of a literacy thing, but they were evidently all new players. Not entirely sure what point I was trying to make with that, actually...probably something like "Most of the people on here are lovely, but it sucks when they're too hyperactive to pay attention to important things they asked about".
Uhh...I appear to have lost my train of thought to an extent...muffins for everypony, I suppose. *throws*
I'm a the literate side too. But yeah, sometimes I cannot understand a person completely because they're half speaking another language, or they spell some words wrong.
But what I get irritated at is when I'm hanging around, and then someone says my name... And they're speaking a totally different language. I'm just like... ...Walk away slowly...
I'm actually alright with any literacy/level of RP as long as I can read the text/post. ^^ I mean, no ones perfect. I don't dunerstand nor use Wolfseak, so I someties as the user to stop using it if I can't understand the post (*Only in cases where it's extreme use of Wolfspeak. I'm OK with minor useage, e.g; The ebony canine licked his dark black maw while his golden optics scanned the dark forests of Lupniar Lake. He scowled, his tall columns standing proudly as he waited for his broter to return from the hunt. His short, thick banner swayed from side to side as he patiently waited for his siblings.
I'm OK with that ammount of usage, not a wolfspeak word every second word. :P)
Bit yeah, I'm totally fine with any Form of RP as long as it's understandable.
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I'm probably in the semi-advanced/advanced (Semi-lit/Lit) section fo the RP rank 'ladder' you could say, I only really post longer posts when I have inspiration, yet I have enough descriptive words to make it interesting for the reader. Yet I do poost shortr posts at times, during abattle I could have like 2 posts just about the same attack, while when just greeting someoen in a RP; I would really only do one or two sentences. ^^' I don't mind teh length fo a post. But if I made a literate/advanced RP tehn I would look for lengthy posts etc. But most fo the time, I don't mind or care about the length of a post, I mostly care about being able to understand and read it. ^^
Like this - You have some typos in your post. But I can still read it because it's like - you know how to spell the word but you just typed too fast and it messed up. Most of the time I know when I spelt something wrong is because by fingers memorize the keyboard - so if I spell something wrong my mind is like: "Wait... Backspace a little..." I type fast, too. So it's more likely for me to mess up.
I understand that you may/may not be able to understand a person but try and help them. It may take time out of your day but I think that the fact you helped that one person who needed it is a lot better than Role Playing. Not all of you will agree with me but that doesn't bother me. I know you aren't trying to sound rude but the fact is that it is sort of rude to just point out grammer and spelling errors. You were once an illiterate player and so was every one else. Wjy not put yourself in that "illiterate player's" shoes and maybe you will see they are really trying.
Yeah, I want to help them but I'm afraid I may seem rude and plus - I'm scared of strangers. o-o I don't want to be in other people's shoes. They probably smell or are too big. Or too small. If they were flip flops I would just leave. xD Sorry. Being a dope. I wasn't pointing out spelling errors I was just explaining what I thought about them. I didn't say they were God forsaken typos that should be burned to death in a chemically induced fire. I just get irritated when people don't soell out the word 'you'. They say 'u' instead. I don't know why but it just annoys me. Yet again, they could be one of those people who text a lot and they're just used to the shorter version.
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o3o It really only annoys me when people say they are like, 16 and talk like this: -bitz throt out no mis- u r ded nw lol i hat u u sck im gnna rprt u!!!!1!!111!!1
Yeaaaaaah........
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o3o It really only annoys me when people say they are like, 16 and talk like this: -bitz throt out no mis- u r ded nw lol i hat u u sck im gnna rprt u!!!!1!!111!!1
Yeaaaaaah........
Powerplaying too. Eh, some people just want to do what they want to do.
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I'm one of those people who don't always follow the rules due to laziness but i always make sure i'm legible and that's all i really care about:D
yeah grammar trolls suck :<
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This is one reason why I don't join long-term rps. Everyone expects you to have impeccable grammar and type at lightning-fast speed AND create appropriate postures and facial expressions for your character in-game. I just can't do all of that at once.
I can type just fine in a situation like this, on a forum or research paper, where I can write at my own pace and go back and fix spelling and grammar errors as I please. But when I'm in an in-game rp, I feel as though the pressure's on, and if I don't type out long, beautifully-written paragraphs fast enough, the rp will stop dead in its tracks and people will lose interest. When I'm under that pressure, I panic a little and make spelling mistakes, or I forget to capitalize a letter. It also doesn't help that I tend to lag in densely populated maps, so I'll be typing faster than the words can show up on the screen, and I end up typing gibberish instead of what I was attempting to type because the game hasn't processed my pressing the shift key.
So I tend to go easy on folks who have trouble typing a coherent sentence. English might not be their first language, or they might have dyslexia, or they are having the same issues that I am having.
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Ye...I hate grammar I prefer to spell things randomly
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This is one reason why I don't join long-term rps. Everyone expects you to have impeccable grammar and type at lightning-fast speed AND create appropriate postures and facial expressions for your character in-game. I just can't do all of that at once.
I can type just fine in a situation like this, on a forum or research paper, where I can write at my own pace and go back and fix spelling and grammar errors as I please. But when I'm in an in-game rp, I feel as though the pressure's on, and if I don't type out long, beautifully-written paragraphs fast enough, the rp will stop dead in its tracks and people will lose interest. When I'm under that pressure, I panic a little and make spelling mistakes, or I forget to capitalize a letter. It also doesn't help that I tend to lag in densely populated maps, so I'll be typing faster than the words can show up on the screen, and I end up typing gibberish instead of what I was attempting to type because the game hasn't processed my pressing the shift key.
So I tend to go easy on folks who have trouble typing a coherent sentence. English might not be their first language, or they might have dyslexia, or they are having the same issues that I am having.
I think the real thing I don't like is when people try to act like they're using a different language and type gibberish that I can't even read. And people using other languages just scare me because I haven't learned another language yet. I know some Spanish and German but not a lot.
And I type with two fingers, use the caps key instead of shift, and can type pretty fast for my age. I'm gifted with my two pointers. xD
Ye...I hate grammar I prefer to spell things randomly
Um... Potato?
I'm one of those people who don't always follow the rules due to laziness but i always make sure i'm legible and that's all i really care about:D
yeah grammar trolls suck :<
Wait, what are grammar trolls?
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haha i just kinda made it up for the people who type text speak on the internet that's impossible to read:D
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If people, such as in Temple of Dreams, are roleplaying in Spanish, I will do it with them. I'm very fluent in Spanish, and if they ask me I certainly will.
But on the other hand, in English, I am a super literate person. I hate it when people use ur, u, r, don't use apostrephes, commas and all that stuff. But I feel sorry for the people who get kicked out of RPs just because of their grammar. I accept anyone as long as their rp sample is at least a bit semi-literate.
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Hehehe am not ''literate''. But also I will not type like this: am loovies yous. (Oke I have no idea what did I just type in)
I have never joined a literate rp and I never will.
But I have no problem when people make shorter their text like: How r u?
Also I write differently with people. If I meet someone new or who is also literate I try to write as good grammar as I can.
Also if I rp I try to write good grammar but if am just having fun in fh chatting with friends or so. Then I write pretty badly.
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If people, such as in Temple of Dreams, are roleplaying in Spanish, I will do it with them. I'm very fluent in Spanish, and if they ask me I certainly will.
But on the other hand, in English, I am a super literate person. I hate it when people use ur, u, r, don't use apostrephes, commas and all that stuff. But I feel sorry for the people who get kicked out of RPs just because of their grammar. I accept anyone as long as their rp sample is at least a bit semi-literate.
I hate that 'u, ur, and r' too. It bugs me. Like when my mom types 'thru' instead of 'through'. I actually don't roleplay that much anymore. I like semi-literate to literate. Now I feel like if I can understand the person I'm cool with it. xD
Plus, I'm actually helping a person that is new in Feral Heart to make friends and learn about the game. She isn't the best at her grammar and spelling but I can understand her.
Hehehe am not ''literate''. But also I will not type like this: am loovies yous. (Oke I have no idea what did I just type in)
I have never joined a literate rp and I never will.
But I have no problem when people make shorter their text like: How r u?
Also I write differently with people. If I meet someone new or who is also literate I try to write as good grammar as I can.
Also if I rp I try to write good grammar but if am just having fun in fh chatting with friends or so. Then I write pretty badly.
I'm pretty much used to spelling out everything. I barely abbreviate things anymore. Except sometimes et cetera because some people don't know the full word. x3 I spell out pretty much everything else. Just that kind of person. I'm not that fond of literate role-plays but I can do them when I fell like it.
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One rp i saw: -she goed too her moother- hello darling how you be this day?
-She be looked at her daughter- Ah, i been fine this day. (They were adding lol and such at the end of almost every post -.-)
See i noticed they were making fun of another rp who seemed to have a chaarie or two who came from a country that wasnt english because they talked like this: -He wented to his sister- Hey sis how you are today?
-She glance at her brother- I be fine, how bout you? You be fine today aswell as me?
See i rp with someone who came from italy and i fully respect his improving english, but i hate when people troll it with teasing poor grammar when it is obviously purpose..
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One rp i saw: -she goed too her moother- hello darling how you be this day?
-She be looked at her daughter- Ah, i been fine this day. (They were adding lol and such at the end of almost every post -.-)
See i noticed they were making fun of another rp who seemed to have a chaarie or two who came from a country that wasnt english because they talked like this: -He wented to his sister- Hey sis how you are today?
-She glance at her brother- I be fine, how bout you? You be fine today aswell as me?
Some accents of English do speak like that. (namely one of my sterotypical accents that I'm supposed to speak.) AKA the Farmer's accent where they do use 'be' unconjugated, and past tense of 'to be' is always was, no matter on the person. But if they are taking the piss, that's never good.
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People that are "illiterate" like you said are from a different country, young, or just plain lazy. I'm 12 almost 13 and I have a great vocabulary. Just not like that huge wolf rp everyone does where they use every single word in the dictionary!! XD
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Oh God, yeah. I hate it when others make fun of another's grammar. I'm a literate person but I prefer semi-literate because well, it's less exhausting. I don't have to dig up for no vocabulary words, I just type with some details in one post.