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Title: Sexuality in names
Post by: FlewToTheCity on November 10, 2013, 06:27:38 am

Okay. So lately I have been visiting Bonfire more often. (Due to friends who Roleplay there)

I have realised that there a Whole bunch of people with there names ' Name M/F Gay' Or 'Name M/F Bi' Lets be honist here.

Having your characters sexual attraction in your name can stand off to there people as an offense. Like there are a whole bunch of people with there sexuality in there name like: Gay, Bi, Lesbian ect. To me it sounds like there putting the people down for who they are and making fun of them. I honistly don't think its a fancy Idea to do that, To me it sounds like a bulling thing. Why can't you just put your characters sexuality in your biography or Roleplay it out? I think this is getting like a 'Mate center' thing that irritates people.

But this is like a brick slap hitting you in the chest repeditvly. So I am here to get your opinion of what you think. This is kind of a rant anyways. Please, Tell me what you think about this below.
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(Sorry if this gets locked)

Title: Re: Sexuality in names
Post by: Redlinelies on November 10, 2013, 07:25:00 am

I don't honestly think it's as much of a matter of making fun as it is to GET ATTENTION from everyone else. I have no issues with people having homosexual characters, bi or what they might want their character as however, like this post was about and people having "Lesbian" "Gay" "Bi" Etc in their very name for the character is only to seek attention. If you were serious with your character it's just to modify your bio and post in there what orientation the character you play has.

Though the simplicity of a place like bonfire usually have a more basic and straight approach about most things, sometimes for the better, sometimes for the worse, in this case though I personally don't approve of users having their characters sexual orientation in their names and usually is players/users that might need a second look to see what they are up to.

It seems to have periods when these type of names comes up because at times it can be rather empty of them for months and then one week you see them roaming around a bit here and there. Without a question though, if a few users play around as a gay character others take their chance and join in as well, and it's not too uncommon that you see these people group up like they were some sort of pride or pack, some even take it to the next level and make "Gay lovers" group or what they might seem like a good idea at the moment. Now don't get me wrong, if you support all love that's fine and everything but some people must just create such a scene about things and not everyone approve of this and it can at times cause drama or inappropriate moments in the game that literary needs cleaning up. I really do believe it's not that hard to just write in your bio stating the characters orientation rather than changing it's name.

The only reason to change ones name would be to be as you said above, to make fun of homosexual people... Or, wanting attention for various reasons and many of these reasons usually lead to something worse. Though I try not to judge before knowing but these users are probably very young and do not quite understand the whole picture with homosexuality(no I'm not speaking of the malexmale or femalexfemale, I speak of how the so called society picture this and how users opinions and views vary), or that someone is old enough and use FeralHeart to look for someone like it was a plain dating site, the thing is if people want to get mates with their characters I can easily understand, but the sexual orientation being so important that it must be in the character name I think is a very questionable thing and judging by what I've seen and how people behave when they actually do have these names, it's what I can see from it.

Title: Re: Sexuality in names
Post by: Senrova on November 10, 2013, 08:40:55 am

Good point. Now let me tell you my opinion. I think its unecessary for people to include sexual information in their names because it just seems more public. Also, this inappropriacy COULD encourage the younger ones to be gay or lesbo. Its very worrying so I would recommend to just block them IF you don't like it. However, I do agree that most of these people are just looking for attention. DO NOT GIVE THEM THE ATTENTION for floofs sake. Either ignore them or tell a member of staff if you're too uncomfortable.







This is EpicWolfie, peace out!

Title: Re: Sexuality in names
Post by: Killian on November 10, 2013, 09:01:05 am

EpicWolfie, I don't think it's going to encourage younger players to be gay or "lesbo" as you put it.

I for one think it's only as bad as putting F or M Wolf in your name, it's just tag clutter and it's not needed, I have spoken to a few people that have them and they aren't really doing it for attention, it's more just to stand out and be different.

Title: Re: Sexuality in names
Post by: Senrova on November 10, 2013, 09:46:56 am

Maybe. It depends on what they say or do really. It COULD encourage them if they talk about it. It depends. But you do know that this is online, right? You can't really trust people if you can't see them IRL. Anyways, everyone's different in many ways.

Another thing though, I really think they should include sexuality in their bio since not often do people go into the bio.




I can't really think of anymore to say...


This is EpicWolfie, peace out!

Title: Re: Sexuality in names
Post by: meeeea on November 10, 2013, 10:50:26 am

This is most likely some people who simply want to raise attention. Otherwise, it's really unnecessary to put it in your tag when there are character bio's for a reason. I have nothing against characters being bisexual, since my fursona is too, but showing it off like that in your name doesn't seem really alright to me.

Also, they could be searching for a mate or such, or simply wanting to mock those with a different sexual orientation, however I somehow doubt it.

Title: Re: Sexuality in names
Post by: unnbrellas on November 10, 2013, 11:30:28 am

 I have no issue with people having "Gay" or "Lesbian" characters, but I see no need to put it in the characters name. The only things I think belong in the name, other than the name, is anything that you can tell just by looking. So, sexuality in my opinion doesnt belong in the name. I don't see why people can't just add it to their bio.
 I think most players do it just to stand out, or add another unique trait to their character. Others do it to get more attention, in and out of RP. Then there is this small cluster doing it to make fun of them, usually by doing stupid things and having pink manes ect.

I'm rather neutral on this.

Title: Re: Sexuality in names
Post by: peete on November 10, 2013, 01:58:02 pm

Huh, I never realized people did it to get attention... To me it always seemed that they were using it like tags. M, F, group ranks; it seemed like they wanted to do what everyone else was doing (taking it a little too far apparently).

On that note, I logged on last week to find a pink and white lion named "Mr Gay", and I asked him why does he have that name. Apparently the word "gay" originally meant carefree or happy... I knew this already but I kind of had to tell him that it doesn't mean happy anymore and it might upset someone. >_>

Title: Re: Sexuality in names
Post by: Silhouette on November 10, 2013, 02:39:56 pm

As others have said, I don't see putting "Gay/lesbian" in one's name tag as any different from "M" or "F" for male and female. Really, I would just prefer people bother to READ people's bios instead of compensating for other people's laziness and lack of desire to read.

However I must say the "gay/lesbian" characters in Feral Heart is far from a "new" or even a "coming and going trend." Its been here all along, if only in small numbers. Before Feral Heart ever came out and Impressive Title wasn't just a slew of different servers and was actually one game (before it was hacked too), there were a LOT of gay, lesbian, bisexual characters and I remember a great number of them had "imaginary" and "man cubs" from homosexual pairs.

Title: Re: Sexuality in names
Post by: KibaWolf73 on November 10, 2013, 02:42:05 pm

I too noticed a surplus of these characters around. While they don't specifically bother me, I can see why others don't like seeing people running around with such tags. After all, we have bios for this kind of  'miscellaneous'  info.
I apologise for the short post OTL

Title: Re: Sexuality in names
Post by: Lady_Alizarin on November 10, 2013, 02:57:43 pm

I've only seen a couple of characters with the word "gay" or "bi" in their character name. I thought it was strange but really didn't think much of it since I was busy roleplaying with friends. Like others have said before me, the people who do this are probably trying to seek attentiion and more than likely get a reaction out of the players around them.

I don't really have a problem with a character's sexual orientation. I think the sexual orientation of the character would be more appropriate in the character's bio. Or let other players find out through roleplay; one way or another.  

Quote from: SmokeyFloof on November 10, 2013, 08:40:55 am

Also, this inappropriacy COULD encourage the younger ones to be gay or lesbo. Its very worrying so I would recommend to just block them IF you don't like it.

I highly doubt that. You make it sound like being bi, gay, or lesbian is a bad thing. Just because a few characters run around with "gay" "lesbian" in their name, it won't necesarilly encourage young players to be gay or bisexual.

Title: Re: Sexuality in names
Post by: Bawfle on November 10, 2013, 03:09:56 pm

In my point of view, it doesn't really aggravate me as much as it does with other floofs. However, it does aggravate me when people tag their characters as 'Gay', 'Homo', 'Bi' or 'Lesbian' and do it to insult those who are as said previously. They think its funny to offend those with a different brand of sexuality but if something similar happened to them in return, they see its really disrespectful and hurtful to be offended in such a way. It's genuinely unnecessary.

Insulting and offending others is definitely a result of attention seeking, whether its if they crave attention for abusive popularity, or craving attention because the same thing happened to them in reality. Now, I'm not the kind of person to Judge another person by a show of lousy behaviour because there could be some sort of novel behind it, but when someone goes overboard it does tend to affect the ones who are being offended and the others closest to them. The main story behind it all is that they're breaking someone elses' feelings because they've broken too.

I'm not trying to be negative on the whole situation but the point I'm trying to get through is that it's completely unnecessary to have a sexuality tagged in a character name when you know its bound to offend someone.

Title: Re: Sexuality in names
Post by: LordSuragaha on November 10, 2013, 03:41:35 pm

Personally I've got nothing against lesbians, bisexuals, transsexuals, or gays. In fact I love them but when it comes to them putting their sexuality in their usernames here on FH I get concerned. Reality is that many people in the world are not very accepting of these people yet as sad and silly as that sounds. I worry that these users are only setting themself up for potential bashing on this game. I can see a few reasons why they'd still want to put their sexuality in their name aside from finding rp mates though. Perhaps they do it to represent for the LGBT community out there as a show of pride, perhaps they also do it to find more LGBTs out there to unite with and find commonality and understanding with.

There are those however that may just be up to mischief though and only seek out attention. Some people like drama and fighting so this is a good way to look for it. I don't think it's necessary to put your sexuality in your character name really. Whether you're a LGBT or Heterosexual who puts M or F why show out your sexuality? What exactly are you after. The rules in the game state that sexual behavior will not be tolerated. As Red said above usually users with these types of names wave red flags and often are the ones getting busted with explicit rping in the public chats or buttswinging on each etc.

 If a person is truly concerned with letting other users know the sex or sexuality of their character there's a bio to do that. You can also modify the name to tell character gender in a more subtle way like using a title like Lady, Lord, Prince, Princess, King, Queen, Duke etc. Telling the sex of your character doesn't seem as bad to me as stating its sexuality. Stating its sexuality seems a bit suspicious to me although having the gender M/F in the name is basically doing the same thing.

While we shouldn't judge I think users who use these kind of names should be cautious of what reasons they use these names for and whether it's really necessary given the nature of the purpose.

Quote from: SmokeyFloof on November 10, 2013, 08:40:55 am

Also, this inappropriacy COULD encourage the younger ones to be gay or lesbo. Its very worrying so I would recommend to just block them IF you don't like it.

Also so what if it influences them? What's it our business? An individual's sexuality is their business not ours. What's more concerning is the general topic of sexuality on a game with mostly children not the types of sexualities.

Title: Re: Sexuality in names
Post by: Jango_Fett on November 10, 2013, 05:59:23 pm

I, try not to be bothered about it, but I think it may also start arguements about it.

If some one comments on some ones Sexuality, and his or her words are taken as offensive they wll be hounded on and badgered fortheir opinion, like Real Life.
Some one says something about 'Gays', and is taken the wrong way ,as an ofensive(It may or may not be on purpose mind you) They will call them awful and very rude things.

I, on a whole, Don't like to talk or think about it, and my Mother agrees.

Title: Re: Sexuality in names
Post by: Sayba on November 11, 2013, 12:49:03 am

I reckon it's no worse then having gender tags. Saying your character is female could be sending out a message like "I'm female, come have pups with me!". Depends on the way you look at it, some of them could be trolling, some of them might genuinely want to RP as a lesbian or gay animal.

Things like this happen with a lot of other things, people make hyenas to sit around lions, make foxes to sit around warrior cats and now people make gay characters to stand out. It's nothing new really.

Title: Re: Sexuality in names
Post by: Fellthefox on November 11, 2013, 03:07:31 am

Lol I identify in game as 'the gay fox', and alot of people will even bring it up to me when Im sitting around. Im known for it. But I dont put it in my name. I think thats really lame. I even get on people for it when I see them walk by. Its like...why? And it seems to be a pick up over the last few months.
Just keep it in your bio, thats what I do. Just feels natural.
Also...gender identification is really off. "Samantha F wolf" who is clearly female looking doesnt need an F in their name.

Title: Re: Sexuality in names
Post by: cloudfire on November 11, 2013, 03:12:54 am

 I believe that the people can do whatever they please as long as it's not offensive or sexual. Maybe for once they just want to be another sexuality, other than most roleplayers that are straight.

Title: Re: Sexuality in names
Post by: Fellthefox on November 11, 2013, 03:19:06 am

Quote from: SmokeyFloof on November 10, 2013, 08:40:55 am

Good point. Now let me tell you my opinion. I think its unecessary for people to include sexual information in their names because it just seems more public. Also, this inappropriacy COULD encourage the younger ones to be gay or lesbo. Its very worrying so I would recommend to just block them IF you don't like it. However, I do agree that most of these people are just looking for attention. DO NOT GIVE THEM THE ATTENTION for floofs sake. Either ignore them or tell a member of staff if you're too uncomfortable.

This is EpicWolfie, peace out!

 This though (didnt see it before) I do see as a bit offensive. You make it sound like being gay is bad...Im very happy to identify as gay in game, but no I do not put it in my name.

Title: Re: Sexuality in names
Post by: darkknight on November 11, 2013, 04:48:02 am

As stated before, placing your sexuality in your name, same for gender, belongs in your bio. It also plays into being offensive and in a sense, gives a way of labeling your character or your own self.   

Quote from: LordSuragaha on November 10, 2013, 03:41:35 pm

If a person is truly concerned with letting other users know the sex or sexuality of their character there's a bio to do that. You can also modify the name to tell character gender in a more subtle way like using a title like Lady, Lord, Prince, Princess, King, Queen, Duke etc. Telling the sex of your character doesn't seem as bad to me as stating its sexuality. Stating its sexuality seems a bit suspicious to me although having the gender M/F in the name is basically doing the same thing.

Quote from: SaybaFox on November 11, 2013, 12:49:03 am

I reckon it's no worse then having gender tags. Saying your character is female could be sending out a message like "I'm female, come have pups with me!". Depends on the way you look at it, some of them could be trolling, some of them might genuinely want to RP as a lesbian or gay animal.

These points pretty much some up what I as going to say further. Also, leads me to ask why should sexuality identity matter with the platform and the audience? Even though, we do have a variety of ages that play the game, role-play, chat, and so forth, why would the generalization of sexual attraction be a subject? Romantic attraction, however would be more understandable and appropriate contrast to sexual attraction. No matter what the orientation.

Title: Re: Sexuality in names
Post by: Redlinelies on November 11, 2013, 06:56:56 am

I do not see how stating if you're a male or female with an M or F is quite the same as having your sexuality in your very character name. Your sex or the characters sex and what they actually look for in a romantic/intimate relationship is not something that goes on an even level at all. So if it was only a matter of you feeling the same way about seeing those tags to you I really do buy it, but if we'd be speaking of the general picture it would be far from the same.

To plainly put out the point here, in many situations it's good to write down, tell people which sex you are and instead of rambling up a big list of things I'm sure anyone can just think of situations them themselves have needed to mark down or tell their sex in forms or information fields. Now flip this around and look over how many times you must write out your sexuality to get around, there's not many situations you do unless it might be certain surveys that has anything to do with relationship or needing to point out your actual sexuality.

It shouldn't matter much if you are a proud gay man or woman, as far as it goes on FeralHeart it quite doesn't fit in like it could, and I will really quote what Sura said earlier in their post "What are they after exactly?", there's no great benefits for doing this unless you must hang out with other gay people, and then again, why must other people hang out with other gay people and no one else? It's a bit like a reversed effect on homophobia going the other way around. I'm just saying this to put a point across though, and as mentioned in my first post, I think in a place like bonfire or even the whole game it's a bit more simplistic look of what it means to be a homosexual.

Not to mention that we've all seen our fair deal of people especially Wolves mixing up genders and I cannot recall how many times people have said to another "I'm a male!" or "I'm a female!". On a feline like a lion you can usually tell by males having a bigger or longer mane than "most" females, but also in general(not all) males have slightly bigger chins or muzzles as well. Personally I'd not use M and F tags either for any character but I can see some good usage for it in a game like FeralHeart, and I do not see it as seeking for attention just because you are a female or a male. People just don't mind what sex you are, however some people really might look a second time if you for example are going around with a shirt saying "I'm gay".

It's not like it can be stopped, or that a campaign should be put to stop this either(lol). But I really do believe it's unnecessary and it's really all about yourself if you have a tag like this, compared when a M and F tag really could assist. The bio do suffice well if you need to point out about your sexuality. However I do sense that there's actually another really big issue that could be laying around and pulling strings on this subject it self, but it would pretty much need it's own topic. If you have your sexuality in your name you want a straight and basic approach for something, and the question is really approach for what, and what it is you are seeking or want to achieve with this name, and as it stands in many of the times(Not all though since there's exceptions as always) people are up to mischief with these names.

Title: Re: Sexuality in names
Post by: anotherstatistic on November 11, 2013, 08:38:51 am

I admit, I don't mind it at all. I'm queer myself, and many of us don't mind using once-derogatory labels; I do have a bias on some level.
Will update later.

Title: Re: Sexuality in names
Post by: Logical on November 11, 2013, 03:32:22 pm

Me as a member of the LGBT community find it offensive on some degree, if your proud your proud, or you just want to display it..I guess I can Isley sit by for it. But, it is very irrational for one to sit there and simply slander the Gay/bi/lesbian community. I do strongly dislike it since more and more people consider it a joke now. Tis a small post compared to others I've seen, but I just do not have that much left to say.

Title: Re: Sexuality in names
Post by: Lukas245 on March 04, 2014, 01:43:54 pm

I don't find much reasoning in arguing over some stupid person who decided
'Hm lets put gay in my name because i am' thats them for them, but it still ticks me off, Im probably one of the few Christians on this game so just to think about that makes me SICK to the stomach when it says in the bible not to be gay, but still, I am honest enough to say I will let them be them, it will only be the times when they try to talk to me for them to be there mate, or make the stereo-typical gay people joke. I understand some of them just want to stand out and be different....but is it really worth offending others?

Title: Re: Sexuality in names
Post by: WhiteLightHeart on March 04, 2014, 02:56:03 pm

Quote from: WolfInCourt on March 04, 2014, 01:43:54 pm

I don't find much reasoning in arguing over some stupid person who decided
'Hm lets put gay in my name because i am' thats them for them, but it still ticks me off, Im probably one of the few Christians on this game so just to think about that makes me SICK to the stomach when it says in the bible not to be gay, but still, I am honest enough to say I will let them be them, it will only be the times when they try to talk to me for them to be there mate, or make the stereo-typical gay people joke. I understand some of them just want to stand out and be different....but is it really worth offending others?

Let's try not to dig up older posts, yes? This post was from last November.

However, since it's still fairly relevant for conversation, I will keep it unlocked for now.

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My thoughts on this topic, though, are a little conflicted, but not for the reason that I'm Christian (if you're LGBT, allied, etc., it doesn't bother me one bit, since it's not my place to judge. It's not my life, and regardless of my thoughts on it, I still love people for the good in each one, no matter what sort of life they might lead).

What gets me about these characters that specify they sexual orientation in their names is the fact that they're putting an identifying "label" on themselves, of sorts.

Now, if you have it in your bio, that's fine and dandy, since it's just another aspect of your character--but it's not their identity. Your character, just like in people, being gay is not the very fiber of their being. You are not a different species because you are gay, nor are you suddenly thrown to a different level or place in society because of it (ideally). Especially in the animal kingdom, they.. Really don't care so much.

Much like being a lion with a laid-back personality, or a she-wolf who has a particularly pretty howl (just for example), it's not their identity, ultimately. It's just an aspect about them. And so, this said, I feel that those who have to specify their character sexuality in their name (and not just bio) are doing this for some sort of attention.
Of course, I'm not calling them attention-hoggers, because this often isn't the case. But let's say if they're at a mate center and want it to be open that their character is straight, or gay, so a certain gender will know to take interest in them (or not to). I suppose I can understand in that respect, but again, you do have bios, and not all users like to spend time at the mate center.

But if it's just in general, you insist on putting your character's sexuality in their name as the fore-front of what is seen in them, I feel like this depreciates the character for who they are deeper within. Even real LGBT people often don't go throwing their sexuality in the face of society (well, maybe sometimes in awareness events or whatnot xD), but in the end? They wake up in the morning like everyone else, have friends, chat on the phone, check their email, go out for lunch and complain about their order being overdone just like anybody else out there.

The same goes for these characters. They have personalities and traits that are much more significant and unique about them than what they're attracted to, and so I feel like sexuality (just like your hopes/dreams/favorite color) should be secondary, a little deeper within, something you find out by getting to know that person or character.

So, personally, I think the tags are a bit much, but if you still like them? D'okay then. That works, too. o:

Title: Re: Sexuality in names
Post by: Koori on March 07, 2014, 11:18:42 pm

/Accidentally brings up old post

Quote from: WhiteLightHeart on March 04, 2014, 02:56:03 pm

What gets me about these characters that specify they sexual orientation in their names is the fact that they're putting an identifying "label" on themselves, of sorts.

That basically sums up my two cents on this. I feel like all these extra labels on our names are unnecessary... Like we're wearing all our information on tags in our ears, like cattle. I've noticed that some people tend to put LGBT and such on a high pedestal, as if they're better than the rest of us. Come on, guys, really? It's like WhiteLightHeart said- they're just people like you and me. We don't need all these labels. It's unnecessary and also, I feel like it's begging for bullying.
Anyway, that's it. I'll let this thread explode, die, or get locked now. XD

Title: Re: Sexuality in names
Post by: Emotcionz on March 09, 2014, 03:24:37 am

I NEVER liked yaoi/yuri characters. I found them annoying, and 2012 and general chat was a convention for them.

I'm all up for gay rights its self, but there is times where I think it's just attention seeking
Animals have homosexual tendencies and it's perfectly natural, but I prefer it in bios rather than your name.

Title: Re: Sexuality in names
Post by: Jango_Fett on March 10, 2014, 01:00:44 pm

Quote from: Iambuffie on March 09, 2014, 03:24:37 am

I NEVER liked yaoi/yuri characters. I found them annoying, and 2012 and general chat was a convention for them.

What is this 'Yaoi/Yuri that you speak of?
 

Title: Re: Sexuality in names
Post by: Lady_Alizarin on March 10, 2014, 03:09:52 pm

Quote from: Brenda Lee on March 10, 2014, 01:00:44 pm

Quote from: Iambuffie on March 09, 2014, 03:24:37 am

I NEVER liked yaoi/yuri characters. I found them annoying, and 2012 and general chat was a convention for them.

What is this 'Yaoi/Yuri that you speak of?
 

Yaoi/yuri is Japanese for gay/lesbian.

Title: Re: Sexuality in names
Post by: Mewwn on March 12, 2014, 02:39:53 pm

I ran into a wolf who was called "Gayfeather" who was a WC, and he went up to random toms and started 'making out' with them -_-

I dislike when people are made fun of that way, but when someone is just expressing who they really are, by putting something like "Jake Gay" or "Sarah Bi" In there names, I am told that they are just who they are, and they are proud.