Why is everyone so negative against Warrior Cats?

[Abomine]

Eh...I don't have a problem with the Warriors book series. It's not explicitly bad, but the whole "realistic-animal-fantasy-with-a-culture-that-parallels-humanity"-thing has been done before...and it's been done better. Three excellent examples are Tailchaser's Song, Fire Bringer, and Watership Down,  books that are superb yet don't have near the amount of fans that Warriors does.

As for Warriors roleplayers, I'm sure there are those who are very courteous, literate rpers who make wonderful contributions to the FH community. Unfortunately, like others have already said, Warriors (because it's a book series for the younger crowd) tends to attract a lot of young and/or inexperienced players who may not understand (or care) that it's rude to claim maps or powerplay another person's character.

So when folks see a Warriors rp going on, they set up their defenses (and occasionally attack) because they believe that these players (who probably aren't looking for any trouble) are the kinds of noobish rude rpers we have all learned to beware.

[Lady_Alizarin]

Eh...I don't have a problem with the Warriors book series. It's not explicitly bad, but the whole "realistic-animal-fantasy-with-a-culture-that-parallels-humanity"-thing has been done before...and it's been done better. Three excellent examples are Tailchaser's Song, Fire Bringer, and Watership Down,  books that are superb yet don't have near the amount of fans that Warriors does.

As for Warriors roleplayers, I'm sure there are those who are very courteous, literate rpers who make wonderful contributions to the FH community. Unfortunately, like others have already said, Warriors (because it's a book series for the younger crowd) tends to attract a lot of young and/or inexperienced players who may not understand (or care) that it's rude to claim maps or powerplay another person's character.

So when folks see a Warriors rp going on, they set up their defenses (and occasionally attack) because they believe that these players (who probably aren't looking for any trouble) are the kinds of noobish rude rpers we have all learned to beware.

You know, my sister has been trying to get me to watch Watership Down for quite some time now. I've seen a few previews of it and will watch it sometime.... eventually.

But anyway, as I went on Warriors website to do a little research to find out more about the story these Warrior roleplayers go by. I can see why many of them are so map-claimy and "territorial". It all has to do with the Warrior Code in the books.

The Warrior Code
 
1. Defend your Clan, even with your life. You may have friendships with cats from the other Clans, but your loyalty must remain to your Clan, as one day you may meet them in battle.
 
2. Do not hunt or trespass on another Clan's territory.
 
3. Elders and kits must be fed before apprentices and warriors. Unless they have permission, apprentices may not eat until they have hunted to feed the elders.
 
4. Prey is killed only to be eaten. Give thanks to StarClan for its life.
 
5. A kit must be at least six moons old to become an apprentice.
 
6. Newly appointed warriors will keep a silent vigil for one night after receiving their
 warrior name.
 
7. A cat cannot be made deputy without having mentored at least one apprentice.
 
8. The deputy will become Clan leader when the leader dies or retires.
 
9. After the death or retirement of the deputy, the new deputy must be chosen
 before moonhigh.
 
10. A gathering of all four Clans is held at the full moon during a truce that lasts for the night. There shall be no fighting among Clans at this time.
 
11. Boundaries must be checked and marked daily. Challenge all trespassing cats.
 
12. No warrior may neglect a kit in pain or in danger, even if that kit is from a different Clan.
 
13. The word of the Clan leader is the warrior code.
 
14. An honorable warrior does not need to kill other cats to win his battles, unless they are outside the warrior code or it is necessary for self-defense.
 
15. A warrior rejects the soft life of a kittypet.

So yeah, many of these Warrior roleplayers really try to fit their RPing to the books, even when it comes to the warrior code. That's understandable and all, but they often times forget that no one can really "drive someone out of a territory" in a public map. Today, I saw some Warrior roleplayers attacking a mother fox and her tiny little baby fox. But this mother fox wasn't acting like the foxes of the books, but the cats were determined to drive her out of "their territory".  It went something like this... (Names were made up since I don't remember all of them).

Quinn F Fox: *Growls trying to protect her kit*
Swallowtail: "You better take your kit and get out of here right now, unless you want to get hurt!" he hissed.
Greyshadow: -He went over to protect Dovekit-
Kojak Bobcat (me): -As the wildcat walked on, he heard the sounds of an arguement. He watched as some clan cats surrounded a mother fox and her tiny fox kit. He stopped to watch out of curiousity.-
Quinn F Fox: "What did I do to you? I did nothing wrong!"
Swallowtail: "You were going to kill our kit!" he hissed "Now take your kit and leave!"
Quinn F Fox: -She picked up her kit and fled-
Greyshadow" "I don't think she was trying to hurt Dovekit. She was just protecting hers."
Kojak Bobcat:  "The only foxes I've seen attack kits and clan cats were rabid," he thought to himself. "These guys are wrong about foxes."
Swallowtail: If you would read the Warrior books, foxes attack clan cats and eat the kits, sir))
Kojak Bobcat: I know that, the thing about the foxes in the books is all fiction. Foxes don't act like that in reality))
Swallowtail: Well this isn't a realistic roleplay, this is a Warrior cats roleplay))

So yeah, even some Warrior roleplayers admit that their roleplay is all based on fantasy and not reality.... even though many have claimed that their roleplayers were realistic. They aren't realistic, it's all fictional for Pete's sake!
Anyway, some Warrior roleplayers act so aggressive to "outsiders" because they are just following the books, even though they may get a little carried away with it. It would be nice if they could remember that they shouldn't map-claim in a public map. A private map is okay, if that's what their roleplay calls for.

[mossstar1992]

As Lady was saying, yes we normaly RP to go with the warrior code, and I used to challenge anyone that wasn't in my clan that got close to me, but theyn i realized that u can't do that on a public map, and it makes everyone else mad. So whilst everyone ids challengeing outsiders that enter the turf, i sit there watching, b/c now i hate bothering people, that may as well be passing through, unless they are part of our RP.
Another thing is, lots of us 'God-mod' or 'powerplay'. We will autohit, or dodge everything. And if we make a lion sized warrio cat we will use it as if it was the size of a real lion.
Now I don't do this, if im liom sized and i see a fox, you can bet i most likely gonna die >_>, but some people will try and kill a whole family of foxes with one lion sized cat, and it rediculous.
Some clans wont even RP with another clan if they have lion sized cats.

Another thing is lifespan of RP
Most of the RP seem to not last long, and those who do last long clash with others.
Also, there are so many clans out there that the map is constantly filled with them, and wolves or lion or something unique that wants to RP, can't b/c they have a to deal with hostile cats the whole time, and not everyone can download maps....

[wolfsquad]

I'm afraid they are so negative cause most people don't like Warrior-Cats, I love Warrior-Cats though. I'm honest with that! Sometimes, People judge the warriors series cause it's cats and most people don't like felines cause they think canines are better and more active than cats. When people are around one cat, it acts lazy and boring. When people re around dogs, they are being really friendly or aggressive, and will jump around unlike cats. But in the Warrior series, These cats are more active than Real-Life's cat. Also in the book "The Rise Of Scourge" people start role-playing as him, and some people think it's unfair.

[LookingForAStar]

I love warrior cat players and warrior cats. It's not that every one hates them, it's just that there's too many.

[Rev Guardian]

As said before I think the main thing is the powerplaying and map claiming. TLK players also have gotten the reputation of a group of powerplayers. Not that all warrior cat and TLK rpers are this way but a good percent of them are.

[Edgegod]

To put it simply and quickly: Godmodders. Illiteracy to the point where it's stupid. Map claimers.

I never have randomly raged at a warrior, but I turned to hate them quickly.
Mainly because of all the illiterates and power players, and simply because of the unoriginality and territory claims.
I join their RPs now and then when my friend is there, but all in all, I hate warriors. I keep away from them, ignore most, and never even bother looking at their advertisements.
But that doesn't mean I flip out over them ._.
Ive chatted it up with them for hours at times, and gotten into a good RP with them on some random species and they allowed me to join.

[wolfsquad]

To put it simply and quickly: Godmodders. Illiteracy to the point where it's stupid. Map claimers.

I never have randomly raged at a warrior, but I turned to hate them quickly.
Mainly because of all the illiterates and power players, and simply because of the unoriginality and territory claims.
I join their RPs now and then when my friend is there, but all in all, I hate warriors. I keep away from them, ignore most, and never even bother looking at their advertisements.
But that doesn't mean I flip out over them ._.
Ive chatted it up with them for hours at times, and gotten into a good RP with them on some random species and they allowed me to join.

You do have a point. Power-players and illiterates are the worst, and they will do anything to make you mad and break the rules. They never seem to listen right!
And those who claim maps that are public should be noticed and banned from the server for 10 minutes to show them right!
All maps made that are in this game are made by Mods/admins/helpers and are public, not suppose to be claimed!
I can be claimed in ROLEPLAY only though, cause it's role-play. Not like they actually mean to claim it.

[Lady_Alizarin]

To put it simply and quickly: Godmodders. Illiteracy to the point where it's stupid. Map claimers.

I never have randomly raged at a warrior, but I turned to hate them quickly.
Mainly because of all the illiterates and power players, and simply because of the unoriginality and territory claims.
I join their RPs now and then when my friend is there, but all in all, I hate warriors. I keep away from them, ignore most, and never even bother looking at their advertisements.
But that doesn't mean I flip out over them ._.
Ive chatted it up with them for hours at times, and gotten into a good RP with them on some random species and they allowed me to join.

Gosh, since I often times roleplay as a warrior cat (I rarely do nowadays) I hope you don't judge me or hate me too much.

I cannot deny the fact that a majority of people who roleplay as Warrior cats are like that, map-claimers, godmodders, etc. It's just a shame that you can't find many who are considerate of other players using the public maps. Me and my friends are the very few who do. If someone comes around where we are roleplaying, we don't go up to interact with them unless they come to interact with us. We won't go over to them and demand that they get out of "our territory".

As for the terms of "unoriginality", there are few that do some different things in their warriors RP that DON'T go by the books. Me and some friends have mixed things up in our Warrior RPs, such as adding a few twists that aren't found in the books. We have done warrior RPs that had twists of Homestuck, Harry Potter, The Last Unicorn, and other story elements to them. I even made a clan that wasn't the "traditional" kind. The clan I came up with had ties to Ancient Egypt, and had ranks such as sacrificial preists, shawmans, magicians, and so on. However, that roleplay recieved so much bashing from die-hard Warrior fans that many members left for something more based on the books. Some would tell me such things like "Cats would no nothing about ancient Egypt!" or "Pharaohstar isn't a realistic warrior leader's name!" The list goes on and on. Some of our other non-traditional Warrior cat roleplays would be ridiculed by other Warrior fans.
"A unicorn fox caring for clan kits? That's stupid!"
"Clan kits don't have lusi as parents!" (Homestuck reference).
"Clans shouldn't become friends with animals of other species!"
"A clan leader can't be a pharaoh!"
"Clan cats don't rely on a silly unicorn fox to heal their wounds! That's nonsense!"
"A cat and a fox cannot be best friends! NO WAY!"
"You can't be mates with a rogue! It's ridiculous!"
The list goes on and on.

So don't say I haven't tried being original, because I have. I've tried adding a few twists to some Warrior roleplays and just get chewed out by many of the Warrior fans.
There are times when I wish some people would give new ideas a chance every once in a while. Doing the same old thing of going by the books can get a little boring. We (me and my friends) all done the traditional go by the books kind of roleplay too many times. We want to change it up some.

As for the illiteracy part, I don't know about you but I've seen more illiterate wolf and fox roleplayers than I have WC roleplayers. Maybe I'm just one of the few lucky ones to find the literate kind, I don't know.  

[AlphaEclipse]

I don't see anything wrong with Warrior Cat rps...

I can't even think of a reason someone would.