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Alright i havent been playing this game very long but from what i can see u can tell its had a lot of work put into it along with planning but theres one tiny thing that imworried about..
THE COMMUNITY ITSELF!!
Seriously the immaturity...the cussing..the raping.. its sick and disgusting... i never see this in any of the other mmorpgs ive played. or at least seen it this bad.
Ok and lets say about i think a week ago i was in flourtine plaines and there was a rape party near the temple and they were doing slander and sexual content in general chat -_-. no mod stopped them. but i did notice a admin from the forum was online while this was going on i know its a Admin cause i see the user on the forum.
About those who say: Report em
Well ive reported people several times and to what? Nothing. no bans...so the bad content continues for the next week or so until those idiotic immature kids find something better to do.
Its obvious there is some serious issues with this community since idk lets see people making rant threads about it all the time. when i read wuddins post i dont agree with maybe 75% of the things he said but i do agree that the Mod/Admin system is very unorganized and needs repaired. Seriously higher more mods or admins if ur saying there isnt enough thats the obvious solution. Q. Oh but we need people we can trust
A. There are a lot of very good mature and smart members on this forum that i beleive deserve to hold power in this game withought abusing it. if u want the list just ask ill pm u it.
And coming from a source i will not say it seems even when its not Down period( when no mods or admins are online) The behavior is still out of control.
You can call me stupid or a Troll or anything u want but im sorry this is my honest to god opinion dont like it dont sit here and be a Smart but just because u dont agree with me.
I did my own survey on a different mmorpg( u can probabley guess which) and almost Everyone said this
Fh has a horrible community
The mods/Admins do not do a good job
Maybe 1 or 2 people said something nice about fH dont get me wrong i like the game i HATE how bad the community is. and Since id say more then 50 ppl are complaining about the system there is something wrong here. Dont beleive me? ill make a survey and ask the IT and FH community what they think and then ill post the results for everyone to see.
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Why do ppl use multiple Accounts...
Well first of all. You are part of the Community and say its worse. Okay, i respect that.
Other thing is: Bad Community, maybe yes. But you have to remember we just cant go arround and press our paw with wantings into other ones Faces just because they are annoying in a Way.
You know we need the help of, yes YOU guys, to make the Site and Game better.
I will tell you a Secret now, which i think it should be known by EVERY player:
Kov.dont.wants.Mods.or.Admins.in.the.Game.
He never did.
The Report-Button ingame: Does NOTHING. Because Kov thinks it dont needs to do -anything-.
His exact words are: If there is a Report-Button, User will feel more save.
So heres the Reason Ingame-Mods cant be right there: The Report-Feature Ingame is -NOT- working! Because Kov dont wants this kind of support.
He thinks the Game can live without a good organised Staff. So what can we do when the higest Place is not careing about the Ingame problems?
Im fed up that everything goes down on us here when our hands are just tied up so we cant change it.
I think you should know that, im not willed to burden Kovs decision that there shouldnt be any Ingame-Mods when they are NEEDET.
Its not that we dont care. Its not that we dont want more mods. Its not that we want to help if someone uses that Report-Button.. infact we just cant.
The only Way for us to help is, when someone goes through the Maps asking for a Mod in General-Chat or then sending a Report with Screenshots to the Admins.
Yes, that is not the right way, but as you could read, we are not the Problem.
And if you go to say: Well we asked in General but there was no one. Well of course you cant know where the Mod Admins are, since they usually roam through the Maps, and now too the Maps of the Map-Pack, dont forget that. There are now many other Maps to hold in the eyes too. So it might be that you just missed a Mod/Admin leaving into another Map just right when you asked for one. Or they are online and currently in Maps you are not in.
As i sed. We want to improve these thing, but we just cant. There are many Mods ingame, but just because a not working Function they simply dont get to know that there is help needet.... So we are based down to your own help in telling us with Screenshots whats happening.
So sad it is, but we are limited to exactly this.
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Alright i havent been playing this game very long but from what i can see u can tell its had a lot of work put into it along with planning but theres one tiny thing that imworried about..
THE COMMUNITY ITSELF!!
Seriously the immaturity...the cussing..the raping.. its sick and disgusting... i never see this in any of the other mmorpgs ive played. or at least seen it this bad.
Ok and lets say about i think a week ago i was in flourtine plaines and there was a rape party near the temple and they were doing slander and sexual content in general chat -_-. no mod stopped them. but i did notice a admin from the forum was online while this was going on i know its a Admin cause i see the user on the forum.
About those who say: Report em
Well ive reported people several times and to what? Nothing. no bans...so the bad content continues for the next week or so until those idiotic immature kids find something better to do.
Its obvious there is some serious issues with this community since idk lets see people making rant threads about it all the time. when i read wuddins post i dont agree with maybe 75% of the things he said but i do agree that the Mod/Admin system is very unorganized and needs repaired. Seriously higher more mods or admins if ur saying there isnt enough thats the obvious solution. Q. Oh but we need people we can trust
A. There are a lot of very good mature and smart members on this forum that i beleive deserve to hold power in this game withought abusing it. if u want the list just ask ill pm u it.
And coming from a source i will not say it seems even when its not Down period( when no mods or admins are online) The behavior is still out of control.
You can call me stupid or a Troll or anything u want but im sorry this is my honest to god opinion dont like it dont sit here and be a Smart but just because u dont agree with me.
I did my own survey on a different mmorpg( u can probabley guess which) and almost Everyone said this
Fh has a horrible community
The mods/Admins do not do a good job
Maybe 1 or 2 people said something nice about fH dont get me wrong i like the game i HATE how bad the community is. and Since id say more then 50 ppl are complaining about the system there is something wrong here. Dont beleive me? ill make a survey and ask the IT and FH community what they think and then ill post the results for everyone to see.
I was ok with what was written until you said "Mods do not do a good job". When some most work their asses off just to try to keep the place in a good order. So I really don't want to hear one more word about that. It's fine if there's not enough people, the reporting aint working etc. But to say the mods do a bad job is wrong. Oh so wrong.
Tigg pretty much said most of what had to been said with this.
Why do ppl use multiple Accounts...
Well first of all. You are part of the Community and say its worse. Okay, i respect that.
Other thing is: Bad Community, maybe yes. But you have to remember we just cant go arround and press our paw with wantings into other ones Faces just because they are annoying in a Way.
You know we need the help of, yes YOU guys, to make the Site and Game better.
I will tell you a Secret now, which i think it should be known by EVERY player:
Kov.dont.wants.Mods.or.Admins.in.the.Game.
He never did.
The Report-Button ingame: Does NOTHING. Because Kov thinks it dont needs to do -anything-.
His exact words are: If there is a Report-Button, User will feel more save.
So heres the Reason Ingame-Mods cant be right there: The Report-Feature Ingame is -NOT- working! Because Kov dont wants this kind of support.
He thinks the Game can live without a good organised Staff. So what can we do when the higest Place is not careing about the Ingame problems?
Im fed up that everything goes down on us here when our hands are just tied up so we cant change it.
I think you should know that, im not willed to burden Kovs decision that there shouldnt be any Ingame-Mods when they are NEEDET.
Its not that we dont care. Its not that we dont want more mods. Its not that we want to help if someone uses that Report-Button.. infact we just cant.
The only Way for us to help is, when someone goes through the Maps asking for a Mod in General-Chat or then sending a Report with Screenshots to the Admins.
Yes, that is not the right way, but as you could read, we are not the Problem.
And if you go to say: Well we asked in General but there was no one. Well of course you cant know where the Mod Admins are, since they usually roam through the Maps, and now too the Maps of the Map-Pack, dont forget that. There are now many other Maps to hold in the eyes too. So it might be that you just missed a Mod/Admin leaving into another Map just right when you asked for one. Or they are online and currently in Maps you are not in.
As i sed. We want to improve these thing, but we just cant. There are many Mods ingame, but just because a not working Function they simply dont get to know that there is help needet.... So we are based down to your own help in telling us with Screenshots whats happening.
So sad it is, but we are limited to exactly this.
People don't seem to realize how much that goes into this game, and the community itself does have a lot to it as you mentioned in your post. I must even say that half of those in the community actually complain about the mods being too harsh/not doing their job, while the other half says the other way around.
Mods cannot be everywhere, and neither can they live in the game. The best way to report someone is infact if you send an administrator a pm here on the forums.
I'm tired just as tigg when people come in here and starts talking down on the staff when they're trying to make this a better place. Also, if you saw an admin online here on the forums when there was problems, did you send them any notice telling them so?
It's like people expect people get paid for doing this "mod job" and expect a full time effort from them. We are as tigg said, very limited and have to take all kinds of problems when it comes to the forum or the game, rants off all kinds trying to make the best out of the situation when the staff isn't really the problem.
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Excuse me?
Why do ppl use multiple Accounts...
Okay, one, this is Death The Kid's SISTER. And I mean sister as in THEY LIVE TOGETHER AND SHARE THE SAME COMPUTER so they're gonna have the same IP. Don't assume things out of nowhere.
He thinks the Game can live without a good organised Staff.
This is laughable. NO GAME is going to live with an organized staff team.
The Report-Button ingame: Does NOTHING. Because Kov thinks it dont needs to do -anything-.
His exact words are: If there is a Report-Button, User will feel more save.
Okay. I don't understand this. Yes, there is a report button, people WANT to report bad behavior, they click the amazing "report" button, and it does nothing. Tell me, Tigg, how is this supposed to make people feel more safe than scared for the game?
So we are based down to your own help in telling us with Screenshots whats happening.
Oh, so, after all of the threads about this issue, you still haven't any idea what's going on?
Honestly, this is why I left. You guys know what's going on ingame, and yet me and a lot of others don't see you guys doing -Removed by Moderator- to stop it. ALL THE THREADS ABOUT TRYING TO HELP MAKE THE COMMUNITY BETTER END UP GETTING LOCKED. We are - trying, it's YOU GUYS who won't accept our help. Feel free to argue with me, I'm keeping my eye on this thread.
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I honestly have no idea what's going on, but I'm just...
dumbfounded. Mods are working hard, right? Okay, um, I won't say anything about that since I haven't joined in the game yet, and there's two sides here...
It doesn't make sense to 'have a Report button that doesn't work and is just there to reassure that they'll be safe'. No. No, no, no... That... how are we supposed to report people, thy wrong-doers of our community?
What about the trolls? What about those who threaten our members, the bullies? Without the Report button then we won't necessarily be safe here.
We can't feel safe unless we are safe.
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I need to add that there has to be some order around here; Which is why we have an Admin and mods, right? I understand Mods cannot be in two or even a million places at the same time. But they can't just leave it; Even if they become a little slow.
It's... unacceptable. I'm sorry; But if they can't solve a serious problem whereas it's either a death-threat or some serious trolling, then...
ugh.
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@Gem, please don't blame Tigg for Kov's ideas. I agree that we should have more ingame staff and that they are needed, but like Tigg said, there is NOTHING she can do about it. Tigg DOES NOT believe that the report button makes people feel safer, she is just simply saying what Kov said. Also, about the multiple accounts comment, relax. She didn't know. Sure she may have made an incorrect assumption, but you don't have to yell at her. You can CALMLY tell her that she made a mistake. And Tigg DOES know what's going on. But it is difficult to stop. There are very few in game mods, and FH is a huge game. I would be in FULL support of more in game mods, don't get me wrong! But Kov doesn't want them. And whatever Kov says, goes, whether we like it or not.
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@Gem
Your missing my Point.
Kov is the one who dont cares about that.
Not us.
Read my Post again, i am NOT supporting what i have written, i have just laid the FACTS out, i thought that was clear.
I am not happy about this, i do not want to work with these limits, and i am also not in the place to make it better.
Its Kovs game, and if Kov is not careing for it, then it is not our fault, isnt it?
He.dont.cares.
We, in the Forum, are not in charge of choosing Ingame Mods or doing changes to the Modsystem or Report System. Its all up to Kov. And again, he just dont cares for that. We have no access to the Game-Server, we cant make modifications to the Server or anything related to the Game. We can just collect Ideas and Help-questions and bring them to Kov.
And so, if Kov is not doing what players whish for, even if we all think its needet, so we on the Forum are the ones everyone else then go to and snap at. Because we are here, and Kov is not.
Instead of making the lower places responsible, go to the highest place and ask Kov why he is refusing all that. I would apreciate that really much, since he is not listening.. "It can be that worse" <- Kov.. you see it is!
I have talked to him so many times that he please improves the System for the Mods to be able to get the Reports, and add a function they can jump to the players who call for help.
Hes simply is refusing it.
The Forum Staff is limited to act inside the Forum, just the Admins can handle the Reports comming from Players Ingame.
And thats the worst way to make a game handeled ever. But again, i have talked with Kov about this many times, and his words are:
"There is no team, infact i dont think FH needs Mods or Admins C:"
You can maybe imagine i am just worn out by going to him again and again and receiving always the same answer: No.
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Ah....
I see...
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Also im pissed off you would make assumptions that really ticked me off just a fyi... And if you guys know there is a problem stand together and Tell Kovu this is a problem that better get fixed If u guys are so keen on making these threads stop then do something about it locking them is stupid your taking away our freedom of speech by doing so if i didnt give a damn about the game i would just quit and not make a thread and waste my breath on you people but as u can see other mods are on my side on this so CLearley there is a problem you guys have more power then us CONTACT KOVU AS A TEAM AND HAVE HIM FIX IT!!!
IF someone makes a thread about ingame concerns u should incourage it not push it away just because someone gives there opinion on how ur doing your job. You should want criticism so u can improve not shove it away and treat everyones opinions like crap. I bet there are over 20 people wanting to make threads like this but there scared of it getting locked.
And no the community will not stop posting threads like this. Why? because we have freedom of speech. you want our opinions were ganna give em to you.
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No one ever sed stop posting things like this.
And by the way, the Ideas and Improve-Threads are not closed -before- asking Kov about it.
And yet you are shoving it down on only us. Of course you do, we are the only ones here.
Let me give you the Info, just 3 of the whole Forum Staff does know Kov. And even as we all together tried to get to him, his almighty answer on us is everytime a No.
I have almost the feeling he dont cares what we come up with to him. But i know he does care for Players, yet he isnt even looking into this Forum. He has made a Facebook Site and is reading this constantly, instead of this Forum. I think we all should try to post there, because only there he is actually reading what goes on.
And as you others sed, i am myself thinking since a very long time to quit everything, because i am not supporting the way the Things are handeled Ingame. But i am not someone who quits just because the Ideas are not going to be listened to.
At my Job i also cant go and quit because my Boss denies my Ideas.
I take FH as a Job, i do my best and try to make improvements. But this is like politics, is the highest instance saying no, theres nothing much i can do, but have to accept it.
I miss the old days in IT, there was no rant about this because the system actually worked. I dont get why we cant have that system back, when Kov is careing for his Users and Game, he should do this already big whish and go ahead to fix it.
It took me 2 MONTHS to get him to fix the ingame kick and ban function. Two months... you maybe can now think about i am fighting against windmills.
I do understand that there are many Users unhappy with this, infact i am also one of those.
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Sorry double-Post but i have an Idea.
How about i make a stickied Thread, where is no discussion allowed, just and only post your Idea about improving the INgame stuff. (and only ingame)
That means every User posts his/her Idea, no one will be allowed to discuss this Idea in the same Thread (you can do an extra one for this) and i will take care of it. Means i will watch the Thread, bring the Ideas to Kov and then i edit his Answers into the Post.
I guess this is the only way to get Kov to actually get to know what Users want. This or you flood his FH FB-Group.
This is the only offer i can do thou.
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I have to agree.
Even though I have no idea what the details are, it's obvious theres some shiz goin' down here. Kov let some of his mods just drop like falling leaves, and doesn't seem to care much at all.
Wait a second...... the report button is A FAKE?
Rediculous. Just.......rediculous. WHY have that function if it DOESN'T WORK. It's creates a FALSE SENSE OF SECURITY. What will happen when a bully NEEDS to be reported, and that person reports them? NOTHING.
I know what most people reply with: "BLOCK THEM! OMGOMGOMG PROBLEM? USE BLOCK BUTTOOOONNN!!!"
HEH. That function spazzes constantly. I have people unblocked automatically all the time. It gets really annoying to have to re-block all the time.
I would post on his FB. Though a lot of people, including me, would NOT like to have their REAL NAME and profile public. Obviously we would have to post our username as well, so he knows who we are, IF he fixes the issue.
This is Kov's game, everyone expects him to take CARE of it, and he SHOULD.
Obviously that isn't exactly happening here.
I'm really sorry, but FeralHeart is going downhill. REALLY fast. I cannot see it surviving when Aro'Kai goes public if this continues. Kov needs to realize that.
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Wow. Feather. You are amazing for posting thata.
Everything said there was right on-target.
If Kov really wants this game to live, he's start doing something about right. Cause right now, we can see that he doesn't care at all about anything that goes on in FH.
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So it seems Kovu is to blame as well i guess i should send him a big essay on the bull crap of a job hes doing.
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In all honesty, us, as players, should be blamed for the community, not the creator, or even the administrators and moderators. You have to realize, this is an online community. The world wide web has become a crude and harsh place. Anyone can say anything, because all we're doing is sitting behind screens. I for one, am satisfied with FH's community. I have never come across anything I haven't been able to handle, or reply to. If you use common sense, ignore the trolls, the ones who are bothering you, they grow bored, they leave. Responding fuels the fire. And about the blocking option. So what if it randomly unblocks them? Odds are is they won't remember your username to come and bother you again. I've never reported anyone. I don't plan on it. To each their own. But having the button being nonfunctional is ridiculous. Just don't have it.
And if one is complaining about the younger players being victim to all of this? Anyone under the age of thirteen shouldn't even be allowed to create an account. And if they do, it's their own fault for putting themselves out there. There comes a point where you just have to accept stuff. I'm all for a safe community. Truly.
I think that the ADMINS and MODS are doing a fine enough job as is. Red and Tigg are right. This is Kov's game. And if Kov has faith in us, then we should aim to meet his standards. This game is FREE for us. Why are you complaining? These people aren't being paid for their services to this game. All they have is our gratitude and their pride. And by complaining, you're killing that.
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@Alette
I think everyone so far agrees with you.
The Problem on all this is just that the Ingame Mods are very limited to take over actions to help.
And this is infact somthing which is there since FH has started and should get taken care of.
Problem is just that we wont get the options from Kov ingame.
Yes it is his game, of course, but he is also responsible for his game.
The youngest users doing troubles are mostly easy to handle, but then there are issues a Mod is highly needet. As you sed yourself, a dead Button doing nothing is just a false thing, fooling Users about its function.
Guys i offered to make a Stickied Thread with your Ideas for Ingame Stuff i will send to Kov, and no discussion about those Ideas are allowed in this Thread so i can keep Track (of course you can do an extra Thread about your Idea to dscuss it). And i will personally take care that Kov reads the Ideas and i post his Answer with a Edit in the actual Post.
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In all honesty, us, as players, should be blamed for the community, not the creator, or even the administrators and moderators. You have to realize, this is an online community. The world wide web has become a crude and harsh place. Anyone can say anything, because all we're doing is sitting behind screens. I for one, am satisfied with FH's community. I have never come across anything I haven't been able to handle, or reply to. If you use common sense, ignore the trolls, the ones who are bothering you, they grow bored, they leave. Responding fuels the fire. And about the blocking option. So what if it randomly unblocks them? Odds are is they won't remember your username to come and bother you again. I've never reported anyone. I don't plan on it. To each their own. But having the button being nonfunctional is ridiculous. Just don't have it.
And if one is complaining about the younger players being victim to all of this? Anyone under the age of thirteen shouldn't even be allowed to create an account. And if they do, it's their own fault for putting themselves out there. There comes a point where you just have to accept stuff. I'm all for a safe community. Truly.
I think that the ADMINS and MODS are doing a fine enough job as is. Red and Tigg are right. This is Kov's game. And if Kov has faith in us, then we should aim to meet his standards. This game is FREE for us. Why are you complaining? These people aren't being paid for their services to this game. All they have is our gratitude and their pride. And by complaining, you're killing that.
i do agree we the community are to blame and it is the under 13s fault but the lack of mods and admins is a problem in game and the cussing and everything else is getting Way out of hand if u or me went in and said cut it out it wouldnt do no good the whole mod and admin thing is not organised and in my opinion pretty messed up. Kovu needs to take care of these problems before something Truly worse happans
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Just because it's the damn internet, doesn't mean it's RIGHT
Just because people agree, doesn't mean it's something that should be justified.
I'm so sick and tired of this whole "it's the internet, expect it" crap that people keep flapping out of their mouths. It's nothing but an excuse to me. Other MMO's around sitting behind those five little words, and neither should Kov. It's pure, flat out, laziness. That is how I choose to view it.
Sure, it's his game. He can do what he wants. But that's not what a good provider should do, nor does it mean that anything good will come to him. We, as players, are his consumers. When we have a complaint, it should be taken into accordance. The more complaints on the same thing, the more that specific area should be fixed, or looked at, or tweaked.
I have a lot of respect for Staff here with how honest they've been regarding this. It's really stupid to not have moderators and admins in the game. What's the freaking point of having rules if there's NO ONE TO ENFORCE THEM?
There's nothing to bite those crazies in the ass for not acting as they should. All it's going to do is chase the good members away and leave nothing but a perverted wasteland in its wake.
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In all honesty, us, as players, should be blamed for the community, not the creator, or even the administrators and moderators. You have to realize, this is an online community. The world wide web has become a crude and harsh place. Anyone can say anything, because all we're doing is sitting behind screens. I for one, am satisfied with FH's community. I have never come across anything I haven't been able to handle, or reply to. If you use common sense, ignore the trolls, the ones who are bothering you, they grow bored, they leave. Responding fuels the fire. And about the blocking option. So what if it randomly unblocks them? Odds are is they won't remember your username to come and bother you again. I've never reported anyone. I don't plan on it. To each their own. But having the button being nonfunctional is ridiculous. Just don't have it.
And if one is complaining about the younger players being victim to all of this? Anyone under the age of thirteen shouldn't even be allowed to create an account. And if they do, it's their own fault for putting themselves out there. There comes a point where you just have to accept stuff. I'm all for a safe community. Truly.
I think that the ADMINS and MODS are doing a fine enough job as is. Red and Tigg are right. This is Kov's game. And if Kov has faith in us, then we should aim to meet his standards. This game is FREE for us. Why are you complaining? These people aren't being paid for their services to this game. All they have is our gratitude and their pride. And by complaining, you're killing that.
I understand where you are coming from. Yet there is a problem when he doesn't even CONSIDER hiring new moderators to replace the ones that quit. I have been playing FH for about 6-7 months now, and I haven't had any issues until now.
It would be nice for Kov to pay more attention to the game itself, rather than just pay attention to the FB posts he gets.
Please note that we are NOT complaining about any of the MODS, but Kov himself. Yes. The internet has become crude and harsh, but this would be a much SAFER and STABLE community IF there is an attempt to keep some order.
I know this is very out of order, and I am not trying to bash on anyone, but some trolls/harassers take it too far. I had to create a NEW ACCOUNT because someone had apparently SAVED my username and many others' to a NOTPAD FILE. They then used this to track me and others. This was a while ago, and I had reported him several times. IF that report function had been in use, there would have been a way to bring that person what he deserves.
I agree completely with you on the underaged players they play at their own risk.
Indeed this is Kov's game, but if he wants it to THRIVE, he needs to take care of it and support it. No, they are NOT being paid, I respect that, but even Tigg agrees that this game is going downhill. The game is free, yes, but would you really play a free game that doesn't have any support from the creator?
To some this may be "complaining". To others, this is standing up for ourselves and practicing our right to give our honest opinions about a subject we are concerned about.
We have taken it to this level because any other threads have been immediately locked, it is unacceptable.
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Feather I love you +Karma
You took the words that I was trying to say out of my mouth and then said them so much better than I ever could.
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I'm going to post what I think.
I agree with all of you. There need to be more mods in-game.
But I hate being kicked for those minor little things. One day in FH, some person came up to me and rolled over under me. I began doing buttswing, and was kicked for 5-10 minutes. What the heck? When I got back, they said it was because the person was begging for it. So? I mean come on.
And also, why is Kovu making a facebook game? He already has one that he needs to step up and take care of. I mean, seriously. He doesn't ened another game when he can't take care of the one he already has.
In my opinion, there should be an official post/thread/ SOMETHING where all of us can complain in lengthy paragraphs. Then it would be KOVU'S responsibility to check that every month and fix those complaints the best he can, if at all.
And about the age thing. Dude, it's the internet. I have seen 7 YEAR OLDS playing games like this. Us older members need to step up, and remember the fact that this IS the internet. There shouldn't be an age limit for games like this. I would hope users under 10 would be carefully watched by their parents, but please. We older members should set an example for those younger kids. I know it may be hard, or you don't want to because 'you don't have to'. But in the end, this just shows them they can act this way. Then here comes a whole new generation of trolls. And the cycle will continue.
I know there is going to be those few people who don't want to do this, and be as perverted and bad as they can. 'It makes them cool'! No it doesn't. I mean, a little perverted-ness is okay with me, but I would keep it in party chat. Not group, group glitches. But that extra, dirty crap is unneeded. Keep it to yourself or close friends. THERE ARE CHILDREN ON HERE, FOR CRYING OUT LOUD! Don't burn their minds!
But all in all, I want this FH, even the Aro'kai community to stay clean and well behaved for those younger members. Yes, this post won't change anything. But I want to have a say, after all. Maybe someone will listen and set an example. MAYBE, a few other people will listen, and do it also. All I want is a good community. I want to be able to trust every single member. If I can't do that... why stay, when everything is at risk?
I want to add another thing. To those people who are saying that the admins/mods are doing a bad job. The mods and admins are doing a wonderful job. I know they may not be on all the time, but are any of us? They have lives, just like anyone of us. Don't be angry because they can't make what happened right. They don't make up the community. WE DO. All of us make up this community, along with them. Just because some of us don't act right, doesn't make this community all that bad. But the rest of us that obey are aren't perverted and such, can make the difference.
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I have a comment on the underaged members.
There is a United States law, called COPPA. Since this forum is based in the U.S,. the members are expected and required to follow the law of the forum, no matter where they reside in the world.
COPPA states no child under 13 can legally be on the internet without adult supervision. They cannot post or join a forum or play a multiplayer online game without written permission by a parent/guardian or being supervised while using the website/application.
However, I believe we need to stay on topic here. what could Kov possibly do to resolve these issues?
1. PLEASE fix that report button, so there is a real sense of security, and you aren't lying to the players.
2. HIRE some trusted members for moderating, the more mods, the more protection in-game and on the forum.
3. LISTEN to us members. We are the consumers as stated before. If you are not willing to listen, please either close the game or hand ownership over to someone else if you don't want it anymore.
These three steps would make the game a lot safer and more enjoyable. I am sorry for flaming, I truly am, but this is getting rediculous. The quotes Tigg posted make me think Kov doesn't really don't care anymore. If that is the case, he needs to please confess that he got bored or such with this game, and consider #3.
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I will tell you a Secret now, which i think it should be known by EVERY player:
Kov.dont.wants.Mods.or.Admins.in.the.Game.
He never did.
The Report-Button ingame: Does NOTHING. Because Kov thinks it dont needs to do -anything-.
His exact words are: If there is a Report-Button, User will feel more save.
So heres the Reason Ingame-Mods cant be right there: The Report-Feature Ingame is -NOT- working! Because Kov dont wants this kind of support.
8| no wonder all my reports went unheard.
Kovu, that is incredibly slack. There is absolutely no way you can just say "Oh don't need it." to a huge online community that (like all others) is prone to trolling and other idiots. Without a proper report button, no wonder the ingame situation is getting out of hand.
You can't just rely on "ppl will take screenies an pm them" because I'm pretty sure that most of the users in the game do not go on the forums and are not aware that the only true way to get mods/admins to deal with it is by PM. Most users (like myself even) rely on the Report button to actually work, it's a lot more convienient to press that instead of screenie, crop, save, post on photobucket, open FH forum, PM mod and wait for a reply (and praying that by the time they get back to you, the problem users are still there. Although usually Admins are pretty punctual/quick and whenever I've PM'd one they've zipped into game and the problem is dealt with.)
Indeed this is Kov's game, but if he wants it to THRIVE, he needs to take care of it and support it. No, they are NOT being paid, I respect that, but even Tigg agrees that this game is going downhill. The game is free, yes, but would you really play a free game that doesn't have any support from the creator?
Pretty much this too.
If Kovu thinks that if he ignores/thinks things will be fine unmoderated ON THE INTERNET. It's just wrong.
If he wants the game to improve, don't add random actions, don't waste time on game features and making it pretty. Instead deal with the faux report button and improve ways to help deal with trolls and in game idiots. The mods/admins can't do a thing if the report button doesn't work.
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Ive QUIT that stupid game now. I AM SICK AND TIRED OF THE IMMATURE AND SICK PEOPLE ON THERE!!! i mean serously! come on! we NEED mods Ingame, One time in bonfire THIS GROSS SICK AND INAPPROPRIATE person was ACTING OUT human mating GOD mods? Why dont you help! ive gone back to WQ and my other old games BECAUSE ingame? there is NOTHING done about the sick behavior, The REPORT button NEVER works. i babysit a LOT and, well, My SIX year old BROTHER can READ at a SIXTH grade level DONT tell me to not let him watch, because its not MY fault ITS THE STUPID LACK OF ACTION. Ive seen plenty mods on THEY HARDLY DO ANYTHING. Go ahead, take away karma i have, I DONT CARE the only reason im still on the forums is because of friends i have on here and rps on the forums i made and joined. UNTIL YOU handle the sick and inappropriate behavior, IM NOT GOING BACK
End of rant
~ sukira
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No need to bash the game Sukira. The game isn't stupid. What makes the game un-enjoyable is the members. I love Feral Heart. It's a really cool game. Some of the members..not so much.
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No need to bash the game Sukira. The game isn't stupid. What makes the game un-enjoyable is the members. I love Feral Heart. It's a really cool game. Some of the members..not so much.
I know. I've had to block numerous people for cursing on general chat, meaning everyone on the map could see it. To make it worse, some of them know they won't get in trouble for it.
I also didn't know the block button was faulty. :o This needs to be fixed right away not a few months from now but now,right now. I'd do ingame modding myself if it meant making the game safer and fun for everyone and giving the other mods a little breather. But a certain someone doesn't care. ::)
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About three posts from the last, I stopped reading. xD
So, now for my turn. I agree with some and disagree with others. First off, I'm going to say this; I know from experience that a lack of strict rules and a lack of staff involvement does not work. I have seen a site crash because of this. Some people got mad, some people loved it, but in the end it brought the site down. A site with a community needs rules and regulations along with people to enforce it. Left alone, you're leaving it to the dogs. I'll set Omegle as an example. How many trolls and perverts can you find on there because there is no moderation. It is impossible to go onto the video chat without finding a, honest to God, penis every other chat. It's horrendous. People like that look for sites like these to have their fun on. And if left alone, that's what it'll become; a place for sad losers to jack off to because they can't do it anywhere else.
It doesn't get you anywhere having an nonfunctional anything. If it doesn't work, you may as well not have it. It just looks like you're too lazy to actually put it up or you're trying to trick people. Or you're trying to look 'legit' and like you have everything a site should have. As I see it, by even having the report button up, Kovu is saying that a site /should/ have a report button. However, his does not work, whether because he's too lazy to program a report system in or because he doesn't feel his site needs it.
Also, as for the staff forcing it upon Kovu to do something; this will not work. If he doesn't want to do it, he won't. There is nothing the staff can do to make him to it if he really does not want to. And from what I gather, he doesn't and will not no matter what. It also seems that it doesn't matter to him that that is what his members want. This, I also have noticed from another site, does not go over well. Members lose trust in their admin and begin to oppose him. Overall, the members become unhappy and complain even more and it will be used against the admin that he or she does not listen to what they want. It doesn't look good, either.
To me it seems that Kovu is pushing his limits with what he can manage. Obviously, he doesn't have time for this game (either that, or he doesn't care), and he's trying to make another? Not good. Usually, one site or game is a lot of work by itself. Having multiple can ruin you.
Another thing I want to bring up is that anyone under thirteen is legally not allowed to be on this site, and with this kind of content the site (and owner) itself can face consequences for allowing it. Once again, either this Kovu just doesn't give a damn (as with everything else, it seems) or is unaware. Either way it's not good.
Personally, I think Kovu needs to hire some staff. Not just buddies, but people who have some sort of experience. Maybe a right hand man who can do most of the stuff that he himself can. Then, if it's an issue of laziness, he won't have to worry about it. However, if this truly is an issue of him just not caring, then FH is pretty much doomed. It's not particularly the community's fault, we can't control what some people do-- we have no power, and not every person is going to agree on what is allowed and what is not. In the real world, the police are involved. They punish people who commit crimes and all (at least in a general sense, please do not argue with me about what they actually do and don't due and go into specifics. you know what I mean). The staff members are our virtual cops. They make sure everything is in order and that people follow rules.
If the police did nothing, or weren't able to do anything to control crime, where would we be? No doubt, some of us would probably be dead. It's the same on the internet; an unregulated site is not a fun one. It just doesn't work.
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In all honesty, us, as players, should be blamed for the community, not the creator, or even the administrators and moderators. You have to realize, this is an online community. The world wide web has become a crude and harsh place. Anyone can say anything, because all we're doing is sitting behind screens. I for one, am satisfied with FH's community. I have never come across anything I haven't been able to handle, or reply to. If you use common sense, ignore the trolls, the ones who are bothering you, they grow bored, they leave. Responding fuels the fire. And about the blocking option. So what if it randomly unblocks them? Odds are is they won't remember your username to come and bother you again. I've never reported anyone. I don't plan on it. To each their own. But having the button being nonfunctional is ridiculous. Just don't have it.
And if one is complaining about the younger players being victim to all of this? Anyone under the age of thirteen shouldn't even be allowed to create an account. And if they do, it's their own fault for putting themselves out there. There comes a point where you just have to accept stuff. I'm all for a safe community. Truly.
I think that the ADMINS and MODS are doing a fine enough job as is. Red and Tigg are right. This is Kov's game. And if Kov has faith in us, then we should aim to meet his standards. This game is FREE for us. Why are you complaining? These people aren't being paid for their services to this game. All they have is our gratitude and their pride. And by complaining, you're killing that.
I understand where you are coming from. Yet there is a problem when he doesn't even CONSIDER hiring new moderators to replace the ones that quit. I have been playing FH for about 6-7 months now, and I haven't had any issues until now.
It would be nice for Kov to pay more attention to the game itself, rather than just pay attention to the FB posts he gets.
Please note that we are NOT complaining about any of the MODS, but Kov himself. Yes. The internet has become crude and harsh, but this would be a much SAFER and STABLE community IF there is an attempt to keep some order.
I know this is very out of order, and I am not trying to bash on anyone, but some trolls/harassers take it too far. I had to create a NEW ACCOUNT because someone had apparently SAVED my username and many others' to a NOTPAD FILE. They then used this to track me and others. This was a while ago, and I had reported him several times. IF that report function had been in use, there would have been a way to bring that person what he deserves.
I agree completely with you on the underaged players they play at their own risk.
Indeed this is Kov's game, but if he wants it to THRIVE, he needs to take care of it and support it. No, they are NOT being paid, I respect that, but even Tigg agrees that this game is going downhill. The game is free, yes, but would you really play a free game that doesn't have any support from the creator?
To some this may be "complaining". To others, this is standing up for ourselves and practicing our right to give our honest opinions about a subject we are concerned about.
We have taken it to this level because any other threads have been immediately locked, it is unacceptable.
Im all for that.
and the fact people in this game need to step up more. If someone makes a game, they better enforce some rules instead of lieing,ignoring the community. Yes, FH WILL be doomed and shut down if someone don't get off their lazy asses and start worrying more about the PEOPLE in the game.
Anyway, thats all im really going to say. Don't expect me to post again on this thread. I made my point and im not coming back if someone gets butt hurt.
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I love this thread.
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Well atleast i was able to say what i thought of the game >.> i used to love it until it started to go downhill FAST
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I love this thread.
me too to be honest im shocked they didnt lock it
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Im not locking a Thread that needs Attention from Kov since its seriously needet to be seen by him. Plus im not willed to stand faceless and mindless behind this Game anymore, thats what i had to be before because i knew he wouldnt change anything if i go to him all alone.
I am sorry if other Threads like that got closed before anything real could came up, but after you know what is really going on, i hope you can forgive us, we actually dont really had anytime another choice, since we just simply got everytime a no when asking for improvements.
And now you can see yourself. This Report-Button and general lack of features for Mods-Ingame is not important enough for him.. instead we get the Roar and Howl. Okay, its somthing new for Players, but its absolutely not helping us Mods and Admins.
http://www.facebook.com/FeralHeartGame (http://www.facebook.com/FeralHeartGame)
I think if enough ppl would complain there, right to Kovu, that a better System is needet, he would -maybe- start to realise that.
As all of you sed the Community would be so bad. Maybe yes, but dont forget the Users who try to make it better, and you are some of them.
About the Age 13 Rule... there is a big Problem.
The Internet-Adress is com yes. But the Game, Server and Honepage itself, is not hosted anywhere near the USA. And the USA is, as far as i know, the only one who has that COPPA Rule.
Raksha already added a Rule that if someine is underaged for the USA, that their Parents have to take care of them. Of course no one of those Kids is even reading that Rule, but thats not safing them. Its like the Laws: They are written down, even if you havent ever read all of them, they apply to everyone. Even if you break a Rule you didnt know that exist, you will have to take the punishment. Its simply like the legislation out there in the World.
But i srsly agree that we are walking an a zone where we are on one hand having a rule making us somehow safe, on other hand its not the best way to handle it. Problem is that Users simply and easy can fake their Birhtday-Date :/
PS.: We are actually ourself looking to some Users to become Ingamemod, since we are much ingame and arround the Forum, i think Kov shouldnt choose Mods since he is never online anyways and would just chose his Friends to become a Mod, instead of chosing Users who are out of that Friend-Stuff and need a chance to prove theirself.
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Im not locking a Thread that needs Attention from Kov since its seriously needet to be seen by him. Plus im not willed to stand faceless and mindless behind this Game anymore, thats what i had to be before because i knew he wouldnt change anything if i go to him all alone.
I am sorry if other Threads like that got closed before anything real could came up, but after you know what is really going on, i hope you can forgive us, we actually dont really had anytime another choice, since we just simply got everytime a no when asking for improvements.
And now you can see yourself. This Report-Button and general lack of features for Mods-Ingame is not important enough for him.. instead we get the Roar and Howl. Okay, its somthing new for Players, but its absolutely not helping us Mods and Admins.
http://www.facebook.com/FeralHeartGame (http://www.facebook.com/FeralHeartGame)
I think if enough ppl would complain there, right to Kovu, that a better System is needet, he would -maybe- start to realise that.
As all of you sed the Community would be so bad. Maybe yes, but dont forget the Users who try to make it better, and you are some of them.
About the Age 13 Rule... there is a big Problem.
The Internet-Adress is com yes. But the Game, Server and Honepage itself, is not hosted anywhere near the USA. And the USA is, as far as i know, the only one who has that COPPA Rule.
Raksha already added a Rule that if someine is underaged for the USA, that their Parents have to take care of them. Of course no one of those Kids is even reading that Rule, but thats not safing them. Its like the Laws: They are written down, even if you havent ever read all of them, they apply to everyone. Even if you break a Rule you didnt know that exist, you will have to take the punishment. Its simply like the legislation out there in the World.
But i srsly agree that we are walking an a zone where we are on one hand having a rule making us somehow safe, on other hand its not the best way to handle it. Problem is that Users simply and easy can fake their Birhtday-Date :/
PS.: We are actually ourself looking to some Users to become Ingamemod, since we are much ingame and arround the Forum, i think Kov shouldnt choose Mods since he is never online anyways and would just chose his Friends to become a Mod, instead of chosing Users who are out of that Friend-Stuff and need a chance to prove theirself.
Seems im ganna have to leave a nice message for kovu then.
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About the Age 13 Rule... there is a big Problem.
The Internet-Adress is com yes. But the Game, Server and Honepage itself, is not hosted anywhere near the USA. And the USA is, as far as i know, the only one who has that COPPA Rule.
PS.: We are actually ourself looking to some Users to become Ingamemod, since we are much ingame and arround the Forum, i think Kov shouldnt choose Mods since he is never online anyways and would just chose his Friends to become a Mod, instead of chosing Users who are out of that Friend-Stuff and need a chance to prove theirself.
I see...... Sorry for my misunderstanding about the age thing and COPPA. I have to admit I was a "little" pissed when I posted that and more than likely made some big errors. I will try to be more calm and nice in the future. heheh ^^'
As for the search for in-game modders, how would you ever hire anyone without Kovu's OK? and it seems from what you have posted so far that he would never comply, even with how nasty the situation has become.
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About the Age 13 Rule... there is a big Problem.
The Internet-Adress is com yes. But the Game, Server and Honepage itself, is not hosted anywhere near the USA. And the USA is, as far as i know, the only one who has that COPPA Rule.
PS.: We are actually ourself looking to some Users to become Ingamemod, since we are much ingame and arround the Forum, i think Kov shouldnt choose Mods since he is never online anyways and would just chose his Friends to become a Mod, instead of chosing Users who are out of that Friend-Stuff and need a chance to prove theirself.
I see...... Sorry for my misunderstanding about the age thing and COPPA. I have to admit I was a "little" pissed when I posted that and more than likely made some big errors. I will try to be more calm and nice in the future. heheh ^^'
As for the search for in-game modders, how would you ever hire anyone without Kovu's OK? and it seems from what you have posted so far that he would never comply, even with how nasty the situation has become.
Wel if he gives a crap about this game he will higher more or give them permission if i were the admin team id just higher someone without his ok. since he wont take care of the problem i guess those with some to no power is ganna have to make a stand and do something ourselves
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"Wel if he gives a crap about this game he will higher more or give them permission if i were the admin team id just higher someone without his ok. since he wont take care of the problem i guess those with some to no power is ganna have to make a stand and do something ourselves"
Honestly, if he doesn't okay the new staff, how long to you think it will last? As soon as he finds out, bam, they're gone, possibly along with the staff that hired them without his permission. With the way it seems things are going, this site is going to die unless Kovu makes a conscious decision to change things. And since he is, for lack of a better term, the supreme overlord of the site and game, the other staff that is under him can't do anything except keep brining the issue up and controlling things the best they can. They do not have the same powers and access to things as the main admin does (I'm assuming, at least). It's not like they can decide to overthrow Kovu and take over for themselves to change the place-- this is the internet, it doesn't work that way. I mean, sure we could get the mafia to go capture him for us and then we can torture him into giving us what we want. Actually, that sounds like a good plan. Who's with me?
Joking aside, there is nothing we can really do except express our opinions to him about what we want and hope he eventually complies. And if he doesn't, then both we and the game are pretty much screwed.
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As far as i know Kov isnt interested in chosing Mods for the game. He leaves this stuff to Razmirz and god knows his time is freaking limited down, and Raz asking for our Help in chosing Mods.
I have to say, since there were some Mods acting against the Staff, intruding the system and what not, we are very aware of new ppl. Since the Forum was planned to be hacked and almost succesfully, but we noticed that and could demote it.
Problem is now, that our trust is very easy to break after this. But i think we already have some good Uders who probably can do a nice Ingamemod Job.
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I agree with most of your statments and tigg is right on what she said however I did talk to kovu himself and he said he didn't like the whole "police force" that mods create. Personally I think we should recruit new mods, ones well known and hold there weight in this game. Ones people already respect and know so this way they may listen more, its unfortunate that the old mods quit but kov is a smart guy and can settle this out , it hit a bump but I don't belive its going down hill, I just think we need some new people in the mod area to help stablize it and personally I belive there should be an age requirement on this game,yes its an "animal" "tlk" like based game but majority of us are in our older teen years and are lit. Rps and from personal experience if you deny these said "younger"players they complain and bash you , so there should be some kind of age limit, however I don't think we should bash kov he's trying his best and he does have a lot on his plate besides the game. Were a strong community and with the right leaders in charge to help kov we will prevail.
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Okay. at this point, I think you guys /have/ to hire without Kovu's "ok." You guys have to get some ingame mods and fast, cause I've heard that some of the current ingame mods harass people. (I'm not gonna give the names of everyone I have heard that from for their own protection.)
But really, you guys need more mods ingame. They have to be willing to be active and keep an eye on everything that goes on in the game and they have... have, have, HAVE to know the rules for the game IN AND OUT in EVERY way possible. You know what I think you guys should do? TEST some of the most trusted FORUM MODS to go ingame. Now, I KNOW that not everyone visits the forum... but for the people who DO, this would give them an idea of who's in charge, since they are from the forum.
Now, for those who DON'T visit the forum, you should ask around and see who some well-known ingame users are and test THEM to be mods. If they pass in either way, I say give them their ingame mod wings. (Btw, by wings, I mean powers guys. xD) Try to get different time zones, if possible, and avoid Zero Period as much as possible. The more ingame mods you have, the better.
I KNOW that mods have lives outside of the game, too. This is another reason why time zone reasoning would be a good thing. Oh, and for the testing, try to get everyone on Msn, Skype, SOMETHING that has group chat, make them give you their usernames and forum nicknames, make them exit the forum completely, track their IPs, do SOMETHING to make sure they don't cheat.
---Just my two cents. Just cause I left the staff team doesn't mean I don't wanna help this community out a bit.
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Another thing to add on to what Gem had to say;
Now, I don't know if I'm just dumb and too incompetent to find it, but I haven't seen many rules for the game. Sure, there should be some no brainers, like be nice, don't harass people, no sexually explicit stuff, but to what extent should things go? Would it be against the rules to swear, even if they were just small things like 'damn' or 'hell'? Even those can be offensive to some people. Or would it just be the most offensive words? Also, what about touchy subjects like religion, politics or even sexuality (orientation-wise). I've come across people throwing fag and homo around, which offends me seeing as I /am/ homosexual. Some people are fine with it, though, because they are not seriously dissing gays.
What I'm saying is that perhaps you should create a specific list of rules, or what is okay and what is most definitely not. That way, people won't be confused as to what is right and wrong on the game, and then they don't have any excuses when they do break the rules. That and it's only fair. I know if I unknowingly broke a rule because I didn't know it was against the rules because I couldn't find them, I would be upset.
And if there already are a nice set of rules somewhere, perhaps make them more noticeable. o^o Because I couldn't find them. Or I did but they weren't specific other than already said no-brainer stuff so I didn't really think about it.
EDIT; Yupp, let's go with incompetent. xD I'd already read them (way to be smart, Frankie. =x=). Still, they are still rather vague, and people can easily loophole their way through them, especially with the offensive stuff. Not everything is going to be taken offensively to every person, so it would probably be best to be more specific in what is allowed and what is not.
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Agreed, to all of this. I really don't care what the people are doing on this game, I'm used to it, really. But my mother wouldn't let me play FH if she finds all of this cussing and 'raping', because I'm slightly underage. Raping is nothing to be joked about. People are sometimes killed because of it. People don't die because of raping, but when they are raped, they are also abused. I love to play FH, though it ticks me off how people are so inconsiderate, and I'm sure there are plenty of 10/11/12 year olds on FeralHeart. Kovu seriously needs to step up. As much as I love the game, it's getting out of hand. FeralHeart will crash and burn when Aro'Kai is released.
And a fake report button? What is the use of that? He already created the button, which has been pressed for, I dunno, THOUSANDS of times? Members will need this button too much, due to spammers, trolls, cyberbullies, etc. We need admins and moderators. Everything online does, no if, ands or buts about it. Kovu has to listen to us. If he doesn't, that will result in numerous members leaving.
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I was bitten. T.T What did I do wrong? lol. The worst thing I would of done was that post up there. ^ Oh well.
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i used to have sixteen karma, now look XD well, i had to find a way to say it nicer then in my head.....
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Slightly off topic, but yeah. I started off with one. xD Now I have three. I've gained, though I don't know why. There's an abundance of fail in my posts, not to mention I have a 'higher than thou' tone, I will admit. xD
I agree with Luna, though. Kovu needs to step it up if he want's this game to survive.
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Some Users are seriously, i have to say, worshippers to game developers, even if those have obviously a problem they dont want to fix. So, dont worry about that Karma stuff. Its unneedet anyway and dont tells anything about your personality or your quality of posts.
Only those who really have a MUCH -Karma i noticed, are really bad Users going against the rules.. well. Even those we can handle.
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If Kovu doesn't step up to the plate, majority of his players who are sick and tired of the trolls will leave to go to Aro'kai. This whole situation had me thinking...
I see them trollin'/ I'm hatin'/ They know they gone get away writin' dirty/ Getting away writin' dirty/ Getting away writin' dirty/ Getting away writin' dirty
That's going in my sig. ( And I don't even have karma yet..am I neutral to the system? :o)
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I've been thinking, and in all honesty, I don't see FH living once Aro'kai comes out.
I personally think that once AK comes out, FH is gonna be dead.
Which, when you think about it, is a BAD THING. That means, that if FH does die when AK comes out, all the trolls will flood into AK.
Even though when Aro'kai it comes out, it won't be announced. So that's a good thing, maybe AK will be free of this awful community.
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I've been reading all the posts on here and as I posted on Facebook under your comment ," Guys as aggrevated with certain issues like these as I may be sometimes to, its not nice to blame it on the admins/mods/ yet alone Kovu. We should be grateful the game itself is even free especially with all the work he and his team of help...ers put into it. I hate alot of the immaturity that goes on in game to but well its bound to happen. I have played even IMVU and theres mainly adults & young adults there and its still full of cursing and stupidity. You really can't get away from it, so the best option is just to ignore it and hang out in places where its less densely populated, or just make your own maps and groups to prevent "unwanted" people from joining in and annoying you. Kovu I'm sure has many things to do especially since this game is only in Beta form and far from complete. Had the game not been rushed to be released there would be less bugs and more things for us to do. Patience is the key here and keeping polite and not making demands. I'm sure the FH team would do anything to please its growing community but while demands on the game grow along with the community it will take a while to catch up. If you feel yourself mods can do a better job you should ask to apply as one :) I'm sorry you feel the way you do and I hope soon things will get better for you as well... until then hang in there fellow Feral Hearter ;)"
You also need to consider Haruhi that Kovu (whoever he is) is an adult. I'm sure he has more important pressing matters in his life than to constantly be babying this game and everyone who complains about it. As a 20yr old Feral Heart user (lol yes I have no shame I am a kid at heart :) ) I wouldn't stand to hear such stuff like I read on here from the users. You need to be sensitive to the fact that he is juggling his time and efforts with this FREE game and most likely a family, college, career, maybe even a gf etc... we can't keep pressuriing him and telling him how bad the game is or the mods etc. The point here is that everyone is doing their best with their own given time and efforts... we could at least show a little respect and thanks for what is being done and handled well!
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i messaged kovu on FB and he said That he never hired ingame mods and that it is Razmirz job to do so. i guess we should be questioning him. and for those of you who keep leaving the same against this thread message u should read the other posts first even the admins are agreeing the game is out of control there is clearley a problem.
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i messaged kovu on FB and he said That he never hired ingame mods and that it is Razmirz job to do so. i guess we should be questioning him. and for those of you who keep leaving the same against this thread message u should read the other posts first even the admins are agreeing the game is out of control there is clearley a problem.
Umm yes i already told that Kov is not interested in chosing Mods and the shoves that Job to Razmirz who actually has a Fulltime Job to work, 6-Day Work with everyday arround 10h work..
As i sed, i already took care, together with some others, that we find good mods. And at, there are 2 atm we are maybe taking in. Okay, its not much, but you know we cant go arround and pick random users. It takes a time to get a good point of view, how they act and so on.
And sadly somtimes there are people acting good just to become a Mod and after they get one, they abuse their powers. This we want to avoid. And yes, we will give every new INGAME Mod a test time, without an estimated date. If they do always a good job tey will stay, if they abuse the stuff, they will get demoted again.
Oh and one thing. I have to agree that i think when Arokai gets out that FH will die anyways. r there will be growing a run.. who gets the better stuff. But i doubt that Kov is one of those guys, he is friends with the Arokai maker, i dun get why those two games not come along with each other. But thats another topic.
Ps.: Im sorry my grammar mistakes but im working my butt off to look for new ingamemods and for me its nearly 02:30AM..
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I'd hate for FH to die, personally. I have some good friends and I get to meet new people everyday,some of them a bit strange, but new people nevertheless.
Maybe...FH and Aro'kai can come together to make things better, Tigg. It might be wishful thinking, but there's still a glimmer of hope.
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Tigg, look back on page 3. I posted a possible mod solution that's worked with every single site and game I've been on the staff team for. I have a feeling it will work on FH just as well.
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Actually, I think the creator of Aro'Kai is a member/friend of FeralHeart. There will be people left on FH, many will just leave.
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Yeah, I've seen this happen before with TEF and IT/FH a few times. People will leave one game for a bit to try the other but most genereally come back. I don't think many TEF players play FH/IT anymore, only a teeny tiny handful.
Although it's hard to say with FH, since there's so many trolls and such.
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I don't find the community bad outside of the starting area. People in the bonfire area seem to do nothing other than hump each other. O_o
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Even when other games come out FeralHeart does have unique qualities that the other games do not have. For example Map making is a bit complicated in IT if u ask me while in fH its more fun and easy. Plus FH still has over 300 players online a day even though there are other mmorpgs out. so we really dont know if the game will lose all its players until Arokai and the others come out.
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THE REPORT BUTTON IS FAKE!???????????????????????????!?!?!?!??!?!
I can't believe wat horrible admins/mods you are. Stop pissing the member off and get real!
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@Demox Don't blame the other mods and Admins, please. It was Kov's idea to have a fake report button.
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Sorry Ringo, I got angry X.x
But the fake report button is horrible, it's like a prank
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I can't even block trolls anymore... I tried to block two people yesterday and their names never went on my list...:(
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FAKE REPORT BUTTON MUST GO!
WE ALL FEEL STUPID HOW THE REPORT BUTTON HASN'T BEEN WORKING.
STUPID...
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FAKE REPORT BUTTON MUST GO!
WE ALL FEEL STUPID HOW THE REPORT BUTTON HASN'T BEEN WORKING.
STUPID...
Your caps shouting won't be heard by Kovu, he doesn't really come on the forum. NO ONE here can do anything about it. And don't abuse your caps, the all caps was unneeded.
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shush, don't correct me. I hate it when ppl do that :/
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Sorry Ringo, I got angry X.x
But the fake report button is horrible, it's like a prank
So I can call you stupid and a horrible member for not reading the thread, just to excuse myself because your post got me angry? xD
And this is a forum though, people correct eachother for a living here, especially when there's posts like these.
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This angers me off beyond belief. I can't believe Kovu would betray his members like that. So all these times I have reported people who have insulted, or scared me it never even got through? This is unbelievable. Sometimes things are really important and if Kovu can't see the fact that people could be in real possible danger and it wasn't reported? What if their forum account didn't work, like my old one on my other computer and they couldn't share it to a Mod?
This is disgusting. Kovu is applying a false sense of security to all of these people. All I know is that as soon as Aro'kai comes out I will have nothing to do with FeralHeart unless he gets his crud together. Nobody really will. You will have the few noobs still hanging around. It will be just like the WolfQuest situation. After FeralHeart came out they have almost no packs available on multiplayer. I am very disappointed in Kovu. It is not the staff's fault, they are doing the best they can on such a little amount of them. I had no idea somebody who can make such a popular game that the whole community enjoys and that has so much potential, can care so little. It angers me so much.
Truthfully, we may need a new owner to FeralHeart like Flametail is to Impressive Title. One who cares about the FeralHeart community. Kovu has showed his lack of interest with the recent patches. All of those people on the Help Forum asking if he can maybe redo the download or fix the glitch and he did nothing. If I were running the server and the game I would jump right on it. I know he has a life and everything, but he committed himself to make a public game for the community. He should at least be bit dedicated.
When people compare Aro'kai to FeralHeart there is a huge amount routing for Aro'kai and the game isn't even out yet! It might as well not exist! It's sad to think FeralHeart has gone down so much that FeralHeart loses up against a non-existent game. But these are the facts and personally, I would go with Aro'kai, too. I have been with FeralHeart from the start but seeing the lack of compassion for the community, such a lack as he would go and make us believe a lie like the Report button, I am ready for a role-playing game where the creators are looking for ways to benefit the community, not trick them.
Kovu has lost my respect over the time I have played FeralHeart. Sadly, because of his neglectfulness, the moment the Aro'kai download comes out everyone will be swarming the Aro'kai forum, just dying to find a professional role-playing game where the community is thought about and where the owner and Mods are all looking to make it safe and fun. A game with a real block and report button. Kovu, and everybody knows this, did not make that game. Kovu needs to open his eyes and pull his head out of his butt because there is about to be new competition on the block and he is no match for it. Somebody needs to knock some sense into him or he will lose everything and everybody to Aro'kai.
Not like he would care anyways...
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^ This is a G forum, So please don't swear.
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Guys it is not Flat our Kovus fault dont rush in thinking that from what he told me he left Razmirz to do the hiring also yes please do not cuss on the this thread. there are multiple things that have caused these problems we cant just point fingers at one person here.
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Okay I apologize for cussing. I will edit those words out so nobody gets offended. Truthfully, last night I was so angry but now that I look at it from a different way, I realize all we can do is wait for Aro'kai to come out if we want a friendly community to play in, because Kovu is honestly not making any moves to change the Mod systems. It is quite sad that Aro'kai is going to practically destroy FeralHeart's popularity. Not because it has excellent graphics, a plot, and more animal species to be, etc. But because by the time Aro'kai comes out, FeralHeart will be a hang-out area for trolls and perverts. Its a sad existence that FeralHeart is heading towards. Kovu needs to decide what he is doing. He either tells Razmirz to find more people or find them himself. Or he could just let FeralHeart decay away until we all end up running to Aro'kai for relief. I hate to say this but the ways things are looking it sounds more like he would rather FeralHeart decay than do any big additions, like Mods. The good thing is that the Aro'kai team will benefit from this completely. The FeralHeart trolls and perverts with be just that, and stay in FeralHeart where they can molest general and run their own rape lines all over Fluorite. Maybe this is for the best, if Kovu has better things to worry about than his own website.
~Forum Swears have been edited~
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Guys it is not Flat our Kovus fault dont rush in thinking that from what he told me he left Razmirz to do the hiring also yes please do not cuss on the this thread. there are multiple things that have caused these problems we cant just point fingers at one person here.
It is sort of Kovu's fault, granted it's not all completely his fault. He does play a role in all of this too. He hasn't really done anything to actually show us that he is trying, has he? All we have to go by is "he has a life too" (though I'm not sure why there's a too there, because I know that I most certainly do not have a life, as I'm sure many others don't either) and believe that if he had the time he would actually do something. Even if he did care and didn't have the time, he would most likely still try, or at least have the decency to tell us he is busy himself. However, this is not the case.
As for with choosing staff, Kovu was the one who left that job to someone that he probable knew (correct me if I'm wrong, however) was going to be busy and most likely not very active. So he still made the choice there, either way.
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e.e some members are going to go, I can tell. This report button is like a horrible prank. IT MUST GO.
It is Kovu's fault for putting that fake report button on us. Everyone believed it was real, when they read this post, they will feel stupid and tricked. Well, not entirely his fault, but I think he should replace the report button with a REAL report button.
Like WolfQuest, I just hope that report tool isn't fake...
And Red, call me stupid. How would I know? I'm 10 years old.
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e.e some members are going to go, I can tell. This report button is like a horrible prank. IT MUST GO.
It is Kovu's fault for putting that fake report button on us. Everyone believed it was real, when they read this post, they will feel stupid and tricked. Well, not entirely his fault, but I think he should replace the report button with a REAL report button.
Like WolfQuest, I just hope that report tool isn't fake...
And Red, call me stupid. How would I know? I'm 10 years old.
You type really well for a ten year old. C: Better than a lot of people five, ten, even fifteen years older than you. xD
And yeah, now that we know the button is a fake, he may as well just get rid of it if he's not going to put a real one there. Maybe then we could give him credit for not hiding his opinions about how in-game moderation should be done.
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@Frankie
Aww, thanks! ^^
Yes, I agree that if there's no point in the "Fake Report Button", it might as well just get removed. :/
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I cant beleive this thread hasnt died yet XD..
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I cant beleive this thread hasnt died yet XD..
I can. People are all going to want their say, even if it's already been said, especially on something like this.
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I'm just going to say silent and agree that Kov has betrayed his members and just SAT THERE watching the community going downhill.
A fake report button. Are you so dumb-founded that you wouldn't listen to our cries of help? I mean,if I EVER created a game,I would honestly add a real report button.Sure,I would have to listen to OMG HE HACKED PLZ BAN HIM every single day,that would get annoying sometimes,but I would actually listen to them and ban the user involved. Sure,there would be lies,So I would just ban them both.
Sorry If I'm being immature a bit here.I'm just a tad bit angry at this and my life atm.
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You aren't immature. Your saying your say... it's simply just that c:
I told my mom about the "fake" report button, and she got angry. She said, "How would you indicate mods and admins when someone is being inappropriate?"
So I told her, "There are mods online there, so maybe they can ban them just like that."
But then she said, "But what the mods and admins aren't online?"
That's why they should have a REAL report button, instead of a fake one.
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...........................GAAAAAAAAH!! I cannot hold this in anymore. I CAN NOT, believe you KOVULKD! Mother of frigging god!!! GET AHOLD OF YOURSELF AND STOP BEING SOME SLACK OF AN ADMIN. LAZINESS DOES /NOT/ HELP A GAME. I completely agree with Gem, Featherclaw, amd Demox! FAKE REPORT BUTTON, THAT MAKES ME FEEL SECURE, RIGHT?!?!?!? KOVU, CONTROL YOUR DAMN GAME.
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Ah, Conny. Using all caps doesn't do anything..
So the cats' out of the bag finally, I suspect as much. I did wonder why when I reported tolls/ect in game, I never got a response. Only, when I messaged a mod on here, was there a change about such.
It's clear this game is going to simply end, once Aro'kai comes out. Simply, the community in the game is bad. Meaning the trolls/spammers/perverts ect.
I doubt this game will be touched again, once Aro'kai is out and up and running officially. It seems, the only way Kovou is going to notice finally, is when all the consumers. Us, the players, up and leave.
It's sad really..I've been with Kov and supporting him since I.T a few years ago, even that game wasn't as bad as this community was, if it was. I never saw it, likely due to the mod system actually working for a change.
I know, I'll be leaving once Aro'kai is up and running, sure we'll run into the same problems at first, but I'm confident the mods/admins will actually listen to the player base, rather then ignore it as Kov has for so long.
Simply, he has no loyalty to this game. Sure he may do updates and what not, but no that isn't enough to show his loyalty to us, he will lose everyone. But the tolls/perverts, ect. I hope he enjoys them, it's going to be the only company his going to be having sure enough.
Twi ~
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agreed, im begging my mom to allow me to get aro'kai on this computer of hers.
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Agree with pretty much everything.. *A* Why would you have a fake report button in the first place. I mean, come on! And the fact that Kov doesn't look at or care about anything you tell him is seriously wrong. If you are going to create a game and get bored of it, you could at least hand-over management. And about hiring Mods, AMAZING IDEA! I know a lot of extremely dedicated people who would die to become a Mod...
*cough* Meh *cough* Anyway.. Lol. This is almost definitely going down unless someone does something, and fast. I only joined in May, but it seems like I've been here forever, and I'd hate to see it end like this. :{
But, I'm also pretty sure we will get Kov whether we stalk him and torture him into changing the game... xD or get a bunch of people to post {where he would look} about the said topics. Hopefully this mod problem will be solved...
Edit: I'mma send Kov something. Where do you think he would actually look? His dA, his FB, the FH FB page, a FH group on dA, or where?
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I didn't type in /all/ caps. -.-'
I regret nothing I said. Kovu's game is done pretty soon, with other games such as Arokai and IT coming out. [brand new it, new items, maps ect. i moved to IT.] ~
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My my. I'm seeing FH in a different light completely now.
I've been working so hard reporting all bad members, I waited hours for the images to upload and since we cannot copy and paste things into the game chat, I have to type it letter by number by letter. I rather annoyed now since Moderators and administrators is a MUST have to have in-game, no questions asked.
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AMEN TO GEM AND FEATHERCLAW.
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A fake report button?
That is ridiculous. It's like he's mocking us with our bullies. How am I supposed to find safety in something that does absolutely nothing beneficial?
No moderators in game?
Even more ridiculous. How the hell are we supposed to help the poor members being harassed and ourselves?
Kovu, you have really let me down with this. And everyone else. Get your crap together before everyone quits.
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A fake report button?
That is ridiculous. It's like he's mocking us with our bullies. How am I supposed to find safety in something that does absolutely nothing beneficial?
No moderators in game?
Even more ridiculous. How the hell are we supposed to help the poor members being harassed and ourselves?
Kovu, you have really let me down with this. And everyone else. Get your crap together before everyone quits.
This.
AMEN TO GEM AND FEATHERCLAW.
And this.
I agree completely. Having a fake report button is just sick.
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Oh great, the report button is fake...
-Wait, IT'S FAKE?!
I just found out yesterday that it wasn't working. Now it's offical. Crud.
-and to make matters worse, the block button is jizzing up. How else I could block people if they're going to get unblocked the next time I log on for example?
The only Online Multiplayer where I could play as my fursona for free (Second Life. Not going to.) with decent customization, but has faulty security.
-I might as well stay away from the game until this gets fixed or another game come out, the game at this rate would become a sickos Paradise and I can't have that. Besides, I spend more time on the forums than the game itself anyways. ^^'
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I see a lot of you complaining here about problems, but not many of you taking initiative to express your qualms with kovu in a place he's actually going to see your opinions. I say someone links this topic to him on his little facebook page. The way the community is going, before long my block list is going to be longer than my friends list. I'm probably going to have to go with Twi's example and jump ship. I've only been here since March and the community is already driving me away, how sad. (Btw, Twi, it's Ken Ken. :3 ))
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I would gladly post this on his facebook page, or the FH page. I'm not scared of him knowing my name. This really needs to be taken care of.
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Good, I doubt he'll read it, but it'll be a good start to let him know there ARE mass complaints.
The latest addition to the fail-tacularness: I just blocked a user for constantly roaring for no god-given reason and guess what? Even after they were blocked, I could still hear their constant roaring. -_-
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They probably can't/don't feel like blocking the roar/howling. And I posted on his Facebook wall :3
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Well, that's a serious issue then. The point of blocking someone is to completely BLOCK them out so they're nonexistant for you. Not so parts of them continue to linger ESPECIALLY if it's the very reason you blocked them in the first place.
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Yeah..
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I see a lot of you complaining here about problems, but not many of you taking initiative to express your qualms with kovu in a place he's actually going to see your opinions. I say someone links this topic to him on his little facebook page. The way the community is going, before long my block list is going to be longer than my friends list. I'm probably going to have to go with Twi's example and jump ship. I've only been here since March and the community is already driving me away, how sad. (Btw, Twi, it's Ken Ken. :3 ))
Ken >3.
Good, I doubt he'll read it, but it'll be a good start to let him know there ARE mass complaints.
The latest addition to the fail-tacularness: I just blocked a user for constantly roaring for no god-given reason and guess what? Even after they were blocked, I could still hear their constant roaring. -_-
Yeah, I tried blocking two in bonfire before to get rid of their howling repeatability, I was disappointed when I found out I could still hear them when I blocked them..
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For those who still don't know how to work around the block glitch it's pretty much same as the bio one.
Always make sure you block the person you want to block in the first map you're in, if not in the first map, just rejoin the game.
Block the user you want to block, and rejoin again. Once you rejoin, they will always stay on your block list until you unblock them.
Pretty much the same thing as with them bios.
It needs fixing ofcourse, but I think kov is the only one that can, but the blocking does work if you do it this way.
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WOOOT: https://www.facebook.com/kovulkd/posts/261699620513816?notif_t=share_comment (https://www.facebook.com/kovulkd/posts/261699620513816?notif_t=share_comment)
Wow. Um, ok.
Kovu said on fb:
Kovu Lkd:
"My iPhone doesn't let me log in to the forum, could you be so kind as to reply on my behalf "What would you guys like me to do?" ? Thanks XD"
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You all see kovus post on what jay posted go throw in a few nice complaints for him
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:) He said "What would you guys like me to do?"
So, I suggest making a list. Then, I'll give him the link to the list, and there you go xD
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:) He said "What would you guys like me to do?"
So, I suggest making a list. Then, I'll give him the link to the list, and there you go xD
If you would like Jay, i would recommend you to do maybe a poll / thread, explaining the topic and let the users chose. If you dont mind i would hand that lil job to you?
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Sure xD Where should I put it? And, I wouldn't be asking "What do you want to have in FH next?", right? 'Cause they already have those.
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...........................GAAAAAAAAH!! I cannot hold this in anymore. I CAN NOT, believe KOVULKD! Mother of frigging god!!! GET AHOLD OF YOURSELF AND STOP BEING SOME SLACK OF AN ADMIN. LAZINESS DOES /NOT/ HELP A GAME. I completely agree with Gem, Featherclaw, amd Demox! FAKE REPORT BUTTON, THAT MAKES ME FEEL SECURE, RIGHT?!?!?!? KOVU, CONTROL YOUR DAMN GAME.
xD That made me laugh for some reason.
But, I agree! KovuLDK doesn't even go on his own forum! He's still naturally newbie!
I'm too young to play Arokai (I'm 10 years old, doh!), so maybe when Feral Heart is left for dead, I'm going to leave cyberspace o.e
But really, I would love to see Feral Heart die inch by inch, IF KOVU DOESN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT HIS GAME/FORUM!
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KovuLDK doesn't even go on his own forum! He's still naturally newbie!
That's what's sad. If I {I know, my opinion xD} had a game, I would attempt to be on the forums all of the time, so I can see the community and such. But, I'm not Kov so... >:(
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Sure xD Where should I put it? And, I wouldn't be asking "What do you want to have in FH next?", right? 'Cause they already have those.
Yeah. Just make it like suggestions how Kov should handle the Mod-Problem.
Since we already have got 2 new Ingame Mods and are chosing others right now too, i think we should make it this way:
Do you want Mods be able to PM you.
Do you want a Window telling you why you were kicked / banned?
Do you want the Report-Button to work? <- LMAO
Somthing like this. And maybe just some other stuff you think is important, not just the mod-stuff/security stuff. We should use the time when Kov is asking US what to do.
You can make the Thread in Game Opinions and Comments, PM me the Threadlink and i will sticky it.
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YAYAYAYAY I'll make a stickie :33
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I AM SIMPLY REPORTING WHAT KOV SAID.
"i'm not stopping anyone from adding more admins/mods, raz has always been the one in charge of that and i don't even have access to add new admins/mods now, also contrary to rumour, the report button isn't "fake" it is collecting large amounts of data that everyone is sending to the database, that's why i restricted it to one report per minute or something otherwise the database will explode from anyone abusing that and all users/characters will be gone."
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I AM SIMPLY REPORTING WHAT KOV SAID.
"i'm not stopping anyone from adding more admins/mods, raz has always been the one in charge of that and i don't even have access to add new admins/mods now, also contrary to rumour, the report button isn't "fake" it is collecting large amounts of data that everyone is sending to the database, that's why i restricted it to one report per minute or something otherwise the database will explode from anyone abusing that and all users/characters will be gone."
Oh, when did Kovu say this?
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He said it on his oh-so-precious FB page.
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I'm not on the Oh-so-precious FB, but those romours must of come from somewhere, then why did Tigg state that the Report button did nothing?
Edit: Why do i always hit the MODIFY button isntead of QUOTE xD - Tigg
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I don't know. I messaged him the link to the "List O' Suggestions" stickie that I made: http://feral-heart.com/index.php?option=com_jfusion&Itemid=2&jfile=index.php&topic=10015.msg138609 (http://feral-heart.com/index.php?option=com_jfusion&Itemid=2&jfile=index.php&topic=10015.msg138609)
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I'm not on the Oh-so-precious FB, but those romours must of come from somewhere, then why did Tigg state that the Report button did nothing?
Edit: Why do i always hit the MODIFY button isntead of QUOTE xD - Tigg
Because Kov dont gave us access to that oh so glory database. How are we supposed to see it then? If there is a way he has to do somthing about it. Now.
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(( Lol Tiggy X3))
Ah, I see. Dont worry I wasnt picking on ya', I'm not that cruel.
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(( Lol Tiggy X3))
Ah, I see. Dont worry I wasnt picking on ya', I'm not that cruel.
I guess i will have to pester Razmirz again to do Kovs job.. giving us access to that unseen (and in my eyes then NOT working) database stuff.
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(( Lol Tiggy X3))
Ah, I see. Dont worry I wasnt picking on ya', I'm not that cruel.
I guess i will have to pester Razmirz again to do Kovs job.. giving us access to that unseen (and in my eyes then NOT working) database stuff.
Maybe there should be another, that can actually do something..like you Tigg. :/.
Since Kovu can't seem to get onto the forum. (which I find a bunch of bull) and Raz is too busy with his own life.
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Yeah! Tigg for president! Wait... xDD
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Well, in my honest opinion, we've been waiting so long, and with far to little success, its about time you stepped in.
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Hope y'll dont mind me posting what I just sent Kovu:
Humm (http://i55BannedImageSite/34fd72p.jpg)
I'll post the reply
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Hope y'll dont mind me posting what I just sent Kovu:
Humm (http://i55BannedImageSite/34fd72p.jpg)
I'll post the reply
Luff it :3
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Hope y'll dont mind me posting what I just sent Kovu:
Humm (http://i55BannedImageSite/34fd72p.jpg)
I'll post the reply
The one thing I don't agree with in that is the filter. Filter is unneeded in my opinion. I think people should be trusted not to swear, and if they can't they deserve the boot.
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Whoa, chill, you guys. Kov tries his best to make this game as enjoyable for all of us as he can. Bashing him is of no use. Sure, I agree with the fake report button thing. It should do something, and Kov should sort that out with the next patch. But honestly, a board flaming him for all of this stuff? He doesn't even "hire" mods. He has someone to do that for him. My suggestion: sit down, shut up, and block users who annoy you until Kov gets the report button working. You can always report someone on the forum anyway. Mods don't want to hear your "OMG HE SPAMMED" every five seconds, and that's probably the reason for the non-working report button.
My point: If you have issues with FH, don't play it. I, personally, love the community here and think Kov does a great job making this game enjoyable. If ANYONE is at fault here, it's the people who purposefully try to make this game a bad place for other users. But mods are always watching and ready to ban people like that, so you all need to calm down and let the people in charge take care of this. BLOCK THE PEOPLE WHO BOTHER YOU. THIS IS THE INTERNET, PEOPLE.
//endrant.
EDIT: Going back and reading through the posts, mostly Tigg's, I understand that Kov is mostly to blame here, besides the group of people who (as stated above) seem to ENJOY making FH go downhill. My personal opinion: FH needs more mods. People with more than half a brain who can be trusted to make FH's community a better place for its users. Kudos to all the mods/admins for doing your job as best you can.
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Whoa, chill, you guys. Kov tries his best to make this game as enjoyable for all of us as he can. Bashing him is of no use. Sure, I agree with the fake report button thing. It should do something, and Kov should sort that out with the next patch. But honestly, a board flaming him for all of this stuff? He doesn't even "hire" mods. He has someone to do that for him. My suggestion: sit down, shut up, and block users who annoy you until Kov gets the report button working. You can always report someone on the forum anyway. Mods don't want to hear your "OMG HE SPAMMED" every five seconds, and that's probably the reason for the non-working report button.
My point: If you have issues with FH, don't play it. I, personally, love the community here and think Kov does a great job making this game enjoyable. If ANYONE is at fault here, it's the people who purposefully try to make this game a bad place for other users. But mods are always watching and ready to ban people like that, so you all need to calm down and let the people in charge take care of this. BLOCK THE PEOPLE WHO BOTHER YOU. THIS IS THE INTERNET, PEOPLE.
//endrant.
That would work if the block button ACTUALLY WORKED.
Really, this post is silly and unneccessary. No one is saying anything that truly horrible about FH, no one is flaming Kovu, they're stating an opinion that you have taken WAY overboard. No one is complaining about the lack of mods, so no need to bring that up, they're saying what they think about the fact that Kovu doesn't want mods or a report button. And it's not because they don't want to know about the issues ingame. If they didn't, they wouldn't be mods would they?
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@Kyugima: After reading through the rest of the posts, I've edited my own post above. Excuse me for "taking it overboard" but honestly, this whole THREAD is unnecessary. The mods and admins do their best to make this community better, even if the maker of the game himself doesn't care. People don't need to rant about it. We ALL know the issues.
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Calm down now, guys. No need to get this thread locked.
And I don't think it's "unnecessary." Kovu needs to know the things stated in this thread, that we, the citizens of FH, are fed up with such a bad system. He needs to fix it. When even the other admins and mods are saying it's going downhill, you have a problem. He doesn't need to be working on his little facebook game, he needs to be taking care of the one he already has. Everyone here has nearly the same opinion: FIX YOUR GAME, KOVU.
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^ This.
+KarmaCookie
Superfeesh even posts now and then on topics and stuff on the AK forum. I don't see why Kov can't find time to browse around here. :/
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I think every point has been made here :P Why not help out the situation instead by adding some ideas to the thread that was made to send to Kovu, to ask for what we need?
Tis here: http://feral-heart.com/index.php?option=com_jfusion&Itemid=2&jfile=index.php&topic=10015.0 (http://feral-heart.com/index.php?option=com_jfusion&Itemid=2&jfile=index.php&topic=10015.0)
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When even the other admins and mods are saying it's going downhill, you have a problem.
Totally agree!
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When even the other admins and mods are saying it's going downhill, you have a problem.
^EXACTLY.
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Excuse me for the word used in my last post, if it offended anybody in anyway or was harsh. I have changed it to dang.
But, anyway, just because I stated my opinion, my karma has gone down from fifteen to ten. That's what happens when you say what you feel..
But you guys agreed. Mabye instead of bite and running, they should perhaps take just a minute to write to me why I was bitten. For stating the truth? Honestly, this game is gonna burn down in flames quickly, if Kovu doesn't take at least some control and stop throwing things like picking staff at others and blaming them..
Sorry. It's my opinion.
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Excuse me for the word used in my last post, if it offended anybody in anyway or was harsh. I have changed it to dang.
But, anyway, just because I stated my opinion, my karma has gone down from fifteen to ten. That's what happens when you say what you feel..
But you guys agreed. Mabye instead of bite and running, they should perhaps take just a minute to write to me why I was bitten. For stating the truth? Honestly, this game is gonna burn down in flames quickly, if Kovu doesn't take at least some control and stop throwing things like picking staff at others and blaming them..
Sorry. It's my opinion.
The color of your text makes me happy. |D BUT hey, I agree with you. I get bitten when I state my opinion too. Things like that can piss people off but it doesn't matter. It's your right to give your opinion, everyone else is, that's for sure. -nuzzles to help regain karma- :3
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You got bitten? *Gasp* - nuzzles -.
Seriously, once Arokia and IT have come, FH is History if Kovu doesn't pull his socks up.
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DX I was bitten all over, just because I'm a crazy 11 year old! ((I turned 11 today, btw))
*tries to reach goal of -55 karma*
Back on topic everyone, plz~
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DX I was bitten all over, just because I'm a crazy 11 year old! ((I turned 11 today, btw))
*tries to reach goal of -55 karma*
Back on topic everyone, plz~
You weren't bitten because your 10/11, you were bitten for childish and silly posts.
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You weren't bitten because your 10/11, you were bitten for childish and silly posts.
^Win.
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Technically people under 13 shouldn't even be on here. But this isn't the topic to rant about it |D
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Sometimes 11/12 year olds, like myself, can seem more mature than 13/14 year olds.
Anywho, as you did say, this isnt the place to discuss this.
I was rather annoyed with KovuLKD for just 'ignoring' his community in a sense, he needs to pay more attention.
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Mhm..
Before.. maybe months a mod was randomly banning people that were speaking in General, a friend was banned for two months because she was defending her friend who ALSO got banned for speaking up, tell me lovley admins, ha?
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Dun steal my text color! x3
Thanks for nuzzling me. <3
But, on topic, Zaroque is correct.
Age doesn't matter, I've seen a 12 year old that is even more mature then a 20 year old. It's all what you decide to do, and your maturity levels.
And, Sanguine, if a moderator/admin asked them to cease what they were doing in general, they honestly should have. If they kept talking back, honestly it was obvious they'd be banned. But ingame isn't the place for opinions/suggestions either though.
Not being rude, just once again -- stating my opinion.
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I've added your color to my collection. >:3
But yes, back on topic. Simply put: FH's community needs some help, and Kovu needs to make the tools to do it. If he's not going to moderate his game, fine. People can do that for him. But he needs to give them the tools and resources to do so, otherwise the FeralHeart community is going to go completely downhill and make the game impossible to play for people who actually DON'T (ha, surprise, surprise? No.) want to deal with users that are bothersome.
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Yes, he very much needs to give people tools to add staff also.
At least open applications.
I mean, we really need more staff.
If he won't do it, get someone who will! I know many people who would love to pick staff, or even be staff. And they'd be good at it too. So either he does it, or he gives people the right tools to do it. :/
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I've added your color to my collection. >:3
But yes, back on topic. Simply put: FH's community needs some help, and Kovu needs to make the tools to do it. If he's not going to moderate his game, fine. People can do that for him. But he needs to give them the tools and resources to do so, otherwise the FeralHeart community is going to go completely downhill and make the game impossible to play for people who actually DON'T (ha, surprise, surprise? No.) want to deal with users that are bothersome.
Exactly. I think we need a lot more staff in-game, too. I don't know exactly how many there are, but there needs to be more. Most of them do their job really well, but like any human being, they can't be online all the time, but there are some people that would be more than glad moderating when other mods can't be online. I think more mods from different timezones would work well. That way, if it's three in the morning in one moderator's timezone, it might be twelve in the afternoon in another's, and they can still work.
... People keep stealing the words right out of my mouth.. er... I mean keybord. ;w;
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From another thread
I get what you mean there, but more mods wouldn't necessarily solve this problem since it's also up to the community if they want to change it.
I don't know how many mods there are, but I know this,
a. People Spam their butts off as soon as they see one talk/warn people.
b. If mods do not warn users, they always comes back whining about it, even though it's sometimes clear they did wrong.
Mods shouldn't NEED to show themselves 24/7 and tell/show people what to do.
Ever noticed how situations always gets worse or more flooded as soon as a mod shows? The mod amount isn't really the problem in my eyes even though more mods wouldn't hurt anyone. It's not what should be in the focus.
We can't make this a situation where we blame the stadium we play the soccer matches in when we lose cause we have a team of drunks playing the ball.
Neither can we blame it on the amount referees in the game when everyone playing still should follow the ingame rules.
Sorry for the expression but it's just a way to put it.
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Exactly. I think we need a lot more staff in-game, too. I don't know exactly how many there are, but there needs to be more. Most of them do their job really well, but like any human being, they can't be online all the time, but there are some people that would be more than glad moderating when other mods can't be online. I think more mods from different timezones would work well. That way, if it's three in the morning in one moderator's timezone, it might be twelve in the afternoon in another's, and they can still work.
... People keep stealing the words right out of my mouth.. er... I mean keybord. ;w;
Indeed, but keep in mind that mods don't always speak in-game. Many do their jobs in silence to avoid the "MOD MOD MOD" spam that goes on when they use the "scary red text". Nevertheless, I do think that the game needs a few more mods, with different time zones, that way at least a few can be online almost 24/7 (even though they shouldn't have to, but I think currently that is needed considering what's going on). But as I've said before, and I will say it again: this is NOT entirely a problem with the mods/admins, or Kov himself. The problem exists solely because the FERALHEART COMMUNITY has made it so. If people actually enjoy playing this game, they better start showing it before it goes completely downhill and people leave. If FeralHeart is to stand a chance when this "Aro'Kai" comes out, the whole community needs to learn how to better themselves, there needs to be a few more mods in different timezones, and Kov needs to provide the tools to help make the community better for the users who actually want to PLAY this game instead of KILL it.
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Someone that sees the picture. Not a one to blame game here.
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It's not because of the mods/admins or Kovu that we need more staff though. It's because of the community, that we need more staff. This is what the community has brought upon us. By what some parts of the community have done
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It may be up to the community to change it, but not when most of the community is whats the problem. Everyone on this thread wants to change, but that's a different story with the ingame community, because as we all know most people don't go on the forum and these people are usually the ones causing the problem.
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It may be up to the community to change it, but not when most of the community is whats the problem. Everyone on this thread wants to change, but that's a different story with the ingame community, because as we all know most people don't go on the forum and these people are usually the ones causing the problem.
^Exactly.
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Ive seen a good few rape partys in my time AND on impressive title. Ive been here on IT ever since it came out. And I have had countless sexual behavior. This is mean to be a PG game. There no room for Fu*k or Sh*t or any others. Maybe even hire more staff to clean up the problem
Sure it wont 100% fix it but it would definetly help. The one thing I do not like about FH Is the raping and so on. 99,9% of the time theyre like angels. I agree with you. Honestly I think it was better when FH first came out.
I say theyre getting bored. Nothing else to do. Not enough stuff to do.
Well Im just sitting on my butt patiently waiting for the next patch and what it holds.
Why dont the bad ppl do the same and guess whats coming next?
But I agree with you haruhi
99%
FH may have some tough spots but Ive met countless more nice people than mean.
I mean I met xRubyx on FH and we became such good friends , shes now a mod on my Forum!
Why dont some of you wise up and stop rudeness? As the saying goes
Play nice... or pay the price.
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This is redicious to me, I understand there are problems, yes I'll be the first to say there are problems, but this thread, as I thread through some of the pages seems like we're just passing off blame here. "Oh it's there fault, no it's his fault, no it's not my fault, oh no it's our fault, why you do this? Why you blahblahblah." Enough with the blame games please, enough with passing the blame like it's some game of tag. It's not a game a tag, you want results for your issues? Find out what the real problem is, and find a quick solution. "Oh it's Kovu's game we have to xyz whatever he says." No you do not, I know for a fact, that there are actually quiet a handful of FH moderators, and they haven't been on in a hot second. Why have a giant staff team, if two thirds of them are inactive? I guess I'm not seeing the point here. Maybe there isn't really a point. But this thread needs to give some type of constructive criticism.
This thread is a great example of the lack of organization that this 'team' and this entire community.. well, lacks. This thread, these kind of threads, shouldn't even exist. Yet here is one, and there have been more. Along with outside complaints that spread wider than the state of Texas. This is avoidable, yet it isn't being avoided. We're playing a blame game here. It's really annoying, pathetic, and it gets nothing done. All of this time spent on securing your (the staffs) butts could be spent in game, patrolling, taking care of issues. I'm sure some of you do some sort decent job with that area of the 'business' here, and yeah, this isn't a real job and you're not getting paid so you may claim you don't have to do all of that. But I bet you there are people here who actually love this game enough that WOULD spend their time in game doing EXACTLY that and then the game would be better. I see people screaming "More mods, better organization!" but I see.. nothing being done.
What I mean, is that you guys are a direct extension of Razmirz power across FH and the server, you are representing him with how you work, how you react, and how you control in game situations. Now, not reacting, not doing anything for these trolls that are running about, doesn't represent Razmirz well at all. He has given you loyalty, trusting you to mod a game while he isn't there, or isn't able to do anything, yet the loyality is being paid back, with World War IV on the forums, staff getting complained about, rant threads, giant troll sessions in game, etc. Is this how you really say "thank you" to someone who trusts you guys? Because if so, how do you say "no thank you?" I think, should I be scared of the thank you, or terrified of the no thank you? Now, Razmirz has an extremely good system going on here, his battle plan is actually excellent, and very well thought out, but the people carrying out the battle plan? Not so much, not so hot, it's excellent plan, but the soldiers just aren't shooting. Why? I don't want people to think badly of me.... I don't want members to dislike me. So what. Do your job, cause I can truthfully say, I don't give a crap if you get mad. Who cares about internet popularity people, it only takes you so far, and only gets you so far. And it won't help you in real life.
Now, MOD75 blahblahblah. You want to know the reason why you guys complain so much about that MOD number? Because that MOD actually does its job, gives warnings, explains before banning or kicking, and when they do, everyone goes RAGERAGERAGE, because MOD75 does their job. Meh! Sad situation, we get mad that the people doing their job, and we get mad at the people that don't do their job. Now, which do you prefer the silent ban, or actually being told before you get banned?
Now, this isn't towards the moderators that actually do their job. This is toward the moderators that get online once in a full blue moon, go over general chat, say "HI DER WORLD" or whatever, spark the whole "HI DER MOD" sessions that we are used to when the red letter scare gets to the masses. Now, what I've noticed, since I still get on FH, but very late at night, is that the time span of Zero Period has expanded, from where it would last for maybe an hour or two, it's now the entire night, and I //never// see a mod, coming across to stop yes. Yes, before you start flaming me, I'm aware that some MOD's ninja, or silent ban members. Not even speaking and just removing them. Sometimes this works, but other times this leaves people confused, and wondering why they where banned, if they don't exactly understand what they where doing in the first place.
Now, for the community. Yes, I understand where you guys are coming from, but at the same time, I can also see this situation now from Tigg's and Red's point of view. So I'm also going to say, stop complaining so much, actually do something, there's a button on your computer called PRINTSCREEN it's very effective, and you want to know what it does? Well, when you hit this magical button it takes a screenshot, you know, a picture of the screen, and saves it to your FH screenshots folder. This is an amazing little button that can be extremely helpful. All of a sudden, you have evidence! Evidence! Because truthfully, I'll say this No one is going to ban anyone because you said so. It's all good that you are trustworthy and stuff, but when it comes down to banning people. Not going to do it because you said so. Sorry. Tough luck. Now what do you do when you have a lot of these screenshots? Well you make a compressed zip folder, you upload them to mediafire, 4shared, or whatever else, and then you ship them to an Admin with a detailed description of what is happening. You don't alter the pictures, or hide stuff, because then, your evidence is tainted. Get my drift? :P
Okay, so you guys, the community want change, the staff isn't listening blahblahblah, cool, I understand, so here's what you have to do, to make their job a little easier.
First. Report Report Report.Do it. I don't want to be a snitch though! then you obviously don't want stuff to change. Because no one can read minds, I can barely do it in RL, most def can't do it over the internet, so kindly stop acting like all of a sudden admins have the golden eye of god and can see everything at all times, in every situation and can read your thoughts, or the screenshots you never did take. :/ Harsh maybe, but it's the truth.
Second. Trolls. Get over yourselves. It's only funny for the first five minutes, maybe even the first two minutes, maybe not even at all. So why is it, a half an hour later, your still there, sitting in general chat by yourself, while everyone else fumes and rages, while you insult, flame, bash, or what the heck else you think you're doing. Not cool, not funny, and it makes me and others irate.
Third. Zero Period. Time when no moderators or administrators are online. Well guess what, it happens, that doesn't mean when you have the trolls trollin that you should troll back and make a giant mess of green text, blahblahblah. Mkay?
Fourth. Suck ups. All the staff does an excellent job, we love you all. Blahblahblah. Guess what, stop lying to them, stop sucking up, cause that doesn't help anyone. And that doesn't help anyone get anywhere when they are actually looking for feedback. And NO not all the staff does an excellent job, not all the staff does their job, but the ones that do, should be commended, and should be rewarded, they should be sucked up to, or whatever you want to call it. Because there needs to be x23 of those types of people.
Fifth. Spam spam spam. Enough, we get you want a mate, we get you want a parent, we get it, we get it, we get it. You don't need to spam the crap out of everyone in game to make your point. You don't need to speak in CAPS BECAUSE I'M NOT 92 AND MY EYESIGHT IS JUST FINE. Okay? :P
Sixth. These darn rant threads. I hate you mods, you all suck, why you suck, go away, stop being a mod, you suck, etc. Enough, cut the crap. You want to help? Constructive feed back, try this. Hi my name is Ritza, I've seen xyz happening, and I PM'd an admin but they didn't do anything about it. I'm slightly confused, and I'm wondering if there was anything different I should have done to help or nullify the situation. Since help was not given at the time it was needed. Try this instead of the first thing I said. Er, saying that, makes you sound like a ungrateful brat. :/
Okay, I'm done now, if you got through reading all of this, I congratulate you cause it was a mouth full. Feel free to rant and argue back. But if you can't make a valid argument, or point out flaws without being or sounding like a troll, please do not expect me to respond back to you. Thanks for reading.
~Ritza
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First. Report Report Report.Do it. I don't want to be a snitch though! then you obviously don't want stuff to change. Because no one can read minds, I can barely do it in RL, most def can't do it over the internet, so kindly stop acting like all of a sudden admins have the golden eye of god and can see everything at all times, in every situation and can read your thoughts, or the screenshots you never did take. :/ Harsh maybe, but it's the truth.
YES! Too many people complain yet never report! You don't have to report ingame, come in forum and do it! You'll still be heard!
Second. Trolls. Get over yourselves. It's only funny for the first five minutes, maybe even the first two minutes, maybe not even at all. So why is it, a half an hour later, your still there, sitting in general chat by yourself, while everyone else fumes and rages, while you insult, flame, bash, or what the heck else you think you're doing. Not cool, not funny, and it makes me and others irate.
Exactly!
Third. Zero Period. Time when no moderators or administrators are online. Well guess what, it happens, that doesn't mean when you have the trolls trollin that you should troll back and make a giant mess of green text, blahblahblah. Mkay?
Another agreement!
Fourth. Suck ups. All the staff does an excellent job, we love you all. Blahblahblah. Guess what, stop lying to them, stop sucking up, cause that doesn't help anyone. And that doesn't help anyone get anywhere when they are actually looking for feedback. And NO not all the staff does an excellent job, not all the staff does their job, but the ones that do, should be commended, and should be rewarded, they should be sucked up to, or whatever you want to call it. Because there needs to be x23 of those types of people.
This one I half agree on. There are suck ups out there, but I would also like to take the time to say that just because someone agrees with a mod doesn't mean that they are a suck up. I'm not saying that's what you are saying but others have said it before. Just because someone is agreeing with a mod doesn't give you the right to scream 'MOD KISSER" like it wins you the arguement.
Fifth. Spam spam spam. Enough, we get you want a mate, we get you want a parent, we get it, we get it, we get it. You don't need to spam the crap out of everyone in game to make your point. You don't need to speak in CAPS BECAUSE I'M NOT 92 AND MY EYESIGHT IS JUST FINE. Okay?
So with you on this one. The spam needs to stop. No one can have a conversation, even in whisper, without it being washed away.
Sixth. These darn rant threads. I hate you mods, you all suck, why you suck, go away, stop being a mod, you suck, etc. Enough, cut the crap. You want to help? Constructive feed back, try this. Hi my name is Ritza, I've seen xyz happening, and I PM'd an admin but they didn't do anything about it. I'm slightly confused, and I'm wondering if there was anything different I should have done to help or nullify the situation. Since help was not given at the time it was needed. Try this instead of the first thing I said. Er, saying that, makes you sound like a ungrateful brat. :/
Very much agree. People always go straight to ranting and raving about things instead of being sensible and getting to the issue properly, asking questions, findong out what is going on.
But I bet you there are people here who actually love this game enough that WOULD spend their time in game doing EXACTLY that and then the game would be better
Half the community would be ever so willing to help out, they would be very happy to go out and be active mods in game, myself included. I don't go on much anymore unless I have people I'm meeting or a cool map to check out, because the community gets out of hand sometimes, and I have decided to leave it alone for a while, the frustration was getting to me. I'm sure there are MANY people out there like me, who see this happening and want to do something more than printscreening, want to help out. (My printscreens never go anywhere because I keep losing them, redownloading and never backing up files is a big mistake XD I haven't been ingame since the last screen shots I took that got deleted when I had to redownload, but I'm hoping to go ingame and do a little wandering soon.)
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Agreed with Ritza and Kyugima
Sorry
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I've seen this problem in games and on forums before. People thought the staff system was unorganized..
Well, Maybe FH does need more staff. But then again, it could just be that the staff need to pay attention/work harder. Now I don't really pay attention to who's staff and who's not, but just like us they have lives.. I have no idea how many staff there are, but if there's too little staff they might be stressed out from being overworked and they might be slowing down because of that. Not likely, but I've seen this before.. /:
And maybe the staff that are on don't see some things or are afk. They /are/ humans, after all.. Maybe you caught it, but they might not have..
Sorry~ Just felt like pointing this out, because I've seen admins in the past get bashed for their choices on how they organize staff.
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Now, MOD75 blahblahblah. You want to know the reason why you guys complain so much about that MOD number? Because that MOD actually does its job, gives warnings, explains before banning or kicking, and when they do, everyone goes RAGERAGERAGE, because MOD75 does their job. Meh! Sad situation, we get mad that the people doing their job, and we get mad at the people that don't do their job. Now, which do you prefer the silent ban, or actually being told before you get banned?
Honestly, I agree with this bit. MOD75 is one of the ONLY mods I have seen lately, actually doing their job. :T But as I've said before, and I will CONTINUE TO SAY THIS:
The issues that are happening on FeralHeart can be blamed, 99%, on THE COMMUNITY ITSELF. NOT THE MODS OR ADMINS.
I understand what you're saying Ritza. FeralHeart does need more mods, in my opinion. Ones that will be active not only on the forum, but in-game as well. I see mods online on the forum all the time. But if the community can't learn how to behave, they need to be taught. In all honesty, sometimes **I** go around, patrolling the main maps and making sure people aren't acting like idiots. If they are, I get screenies and report them.
Basically, all I'm saying is that this is NOT the fault of the admins/mods, entirely. Kov doesn't provide the tools for them to do their job properly. I hardly ever see any mods in-game doing their job, however... I understand not all of them speak in their red text all the time, and they shouldn't HAVE to. But given the circumstances, and how out of control the community is, I believe it's needed at the moment, until the majority of users on FeralHeart can settle down and stop acting like a bunch of immature children.
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Oh look, its the exact opposite of my post!
http://feral-heart.com/index.php?option=com_jfusion&Itemid=2&jfile=index.php&topic=7652.0 (http://feral-heart.com/index.php?option=com_jfusion&Itemid=2&jfile=index.php&topic=7652.0)
Sir, read that. Please.
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Some of that is true, but the entire thing is goody goody goo goo with no constructive criticsm.
Or describing any flaws.
So it isn't 100 percent true..
:/ FH /does/ have problems
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Wow. Long thread. Now, I'm going to post a wall of text; if anyone wants, feel free to quote me out of context. I don't mind, short sentences where your arguements/agreements are directed at makes it easier to understand without reading long paragraphs. :P
Intro/Kov Issues
I think a very large portion of FeralHeart going south is, indeed, the community. There are fairly large numbers of rude, mean and other types of riffraff on the server. Keeping in mind that there will always be some sort of troll or a bad seed in the community, no matter what it is, the number is still just a bit higher than it usually is, but that's because Kov doesn't provide proper tools for anyone to work with. Of course, I'm referring to the stupid waste of space - the report button. If Kov could successfully implement a good system in game for reporting, than it would make the staff more efficient at stopping any sort of trouble that occurs in the game, and faster. With the current system where you send in unchanged screenshots to a staff member, and they read it in their inbox when they log online, it takes much longer for action to be taken, and with trouble makers you have to treat them like you would when training a dog that something is good or bad - if you don't take action nearly immediately, then it's wasted effort, because they won't easily connect the punishment or reward with what they did.
Admins/Moderators
Secondly, there needs to be more staff and/or the current staff need a system for the hours where they moderate - when there isn't even one staff member online, then it increases the chance someone will cause trouble. If you just had 6 mods in different timezones, and certain hours they should moderate at (let's just say) 4 hours from 12 PM to 4 PM, then they would cover every time of the day, and therefore, the zero zone would be eliminated, which may cut down on trouble. Of course, you could decrease the amount of hours a mod should be required to work, which would mean you'd need more staff to not over-extend yourself, and of course, if a staff member has a special occasion where they can't work, you'd need back up mods that are able to take their place in an emergency. Obviously, schedules would also need to be worked around school and work as well. I am aware that you should pick your moderators and admins wisely, for fairly obvious reasons, but there are many people who would gladly take up such a task, and would be good at it. Admins shouldn't be allowed to moderate in a situation where their friends/family are involved - if someone is reported and they're the sister of a mod, of course there's a fairly high chances they'll get away with little or no consequences. Being related to a mod or a friend of one should mean that they cannot be given discipline by the mod they know.
Community (normal members)
The third one is, people (the community) actually need to help with these problems - if you don't report it, it won't be fixed, no punishment will be given, nothing will happen! You're not a tattletale if you report someone doing anything against the rules - if it's a rule, and someone breaks it, you have every right to report them, no exceptions. Even if it's your friend or relative, you know it's wrong and you should still report them. If you don't know it's wrong because you haven't read the rules, then you're part of the problem with bad seeds in the community; I honestly believe that anyone who doesn't report something because they haven't read the rules should be instantly banned from the game for a period of time. I'm positive that anyone who can type also knows how to read (especially in FeralHeart where it's just a 3D chat room with not much else). All rules for pretty much any game or forum are very straightforward, it's not like they usually use long, complicated words that a normal person wouldn't understand, not only that but they're almost always very fast to read.. which means there is absolutely no reason why you shouldn't read them. If you choose not to, your just as bad as the people who are going against those very same rules that you ignore, and shouldn't be allowed to play. End of story.
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This is just for the middle part you wrote there Zani, cause it feels like I have to explain some things.
This is just another situation when the mods is used as an excuse/valid point to even out the non balanced boards in debates like this, and it just gets more and more out of place as threads like these go on.
People really don't seem to understand here that you can't just make up ohh so perfect plans for how the moderation should be done and run.
Ofcourse your text sounds all fine on the paper, get mods, get schedules, get more mods, work around busy times, find people willing to help, sort the ZP times and the list goes on. It's good!
I buy this! I really do. It all sounds nice, but the problem with this is that users don't notice, and wont be able to see what's done to full when it comes to the moderating part of the game, or they simply to refuse to drop the thought that they don't know or wont be able to know about it no matter how hard they try.
Infact, this is more the community in my eyes than it is the mods fault/the lack of mods and how things are they way they are inside the game. As I have stated in so many threads before this. Even though there seems to be lack of mods around. This is no excuse for the rest of the community to behave like crap in game! Sure, people wont be following the rules as good if there were 15 mods compared to 100? But it's still no excuse.
And just for your guys notice out there. Several new mods has in fact been added to moderate the game not long ago. Just to make that clear.
Another thing I need to cover up is this get schedules part, and work around times when other mods are away.
Firstly!
Even the mods. Our beloved mods in the game that always ruin the fun for the trolls, are here to play the game just as you and me. Just because they're mods, doesn't mean they should be linked to some sort of contract demanding them to moderate the game at certain times of the day.
And don't start writing just yet, cause I'm not done.
The mod position is no full time job! People don't get paid for this, people don't get their time back for this. In fact, they probably don't even get credit for the job they're doing. Just dealing with people breaking the rules and complaining over and over again. They work for free, here to help us, everyone, to make the game a better place that people play on.
Just as in the real world mods in the game probably work different amounts of time, or in different ways even. But they're all here help.
People here can't just expect people to get schedules and start going to work on FH. They deserve their freedom to play the game when they feel like it, and I'm not saying now that this is an excuse for mods to stay away from the game and never monitor this place. But it sometimes feels like people think FH has it's own headquarters laying somewhere with mods getting paychecks in their pockets.
And people, please don't say something blunt like "Well, if they aren't willing to do that extra work, then why even be a mod?".
Okie, but why not just get more mods, there's lots of people that wants to help?
Well, this one should actually be rather obvious. Now lets just ask simple questions.
Wouldn't you guys want nice mods in the game that you can trust? Mods that knows the rules well, mods that are active, mods that got sense of understanding, mods that aren't looking for the attention of being mod, mods that want the game to be a better place?
This is a nobrainer yeah? This is something everyone wants. But how exactly would the moderating help if there was a mass recruiting of ingame mods? Having a game where tons of mods are running around won't really help that much if the people of the game refuse to change.
I'm certain that a few more mods could be added and it wouldn't hurt, would probably just do well for the game. But it doesn't work to just throw a mod position around.
And just because you mentioned it. Yeah, someone might be lucky to know the mod that catch them doing the bad action. But I really think that if anyone here really broke the rules to an extent so they'd deserve a longer ban, the mods wouldn't try to cover it up. Maybe they would be lucky getting a warn? But all the bad fishes get caught eventually. They are trusted to do their work, and if the community decide not to trust them, then what should you put your trust in? They didn't win their mod position in a lottery.
Another thing that's very important that everyone should keep in mind that most of the mods aren't really able to explain how things are or what they have to say since they are... mods.
Something that would probably help would be if tools were given to the existing mods. Rules easily accessible from inside the game menus. Fixed glitches and what not.
I do believe admins and mods are well aware of when it lacks something or when something is not going the way it should. Why does it always seems like we here on the forum are the ones knowing the best about how things are, when most don't even know anything about the mods and their works.
The point is, getting all these things sounds good on paper. But in reality it's not that easy, and maybe not even fair depending on which angle you are looking from.
I'm really what's written were a bad idea or anything, but it just doesn't work.
Yarp.
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I am well aware that the mods aren't getting paid and play the game like normal people - I wasn't saying that the mods wouldn't have free time to play the game, only that it would be nice if the staff could make a point to put in a certain amount of moderating time in a day. I do know they are just volunteers, and are human just like us and like to have fun.
I also understand, being a mod or an admin on several different websites and a game or two, that you should be allowed some freedom, especially when you have to reply to a report and do what needs to be done fairly often - I simply made a point to mention that because I myself haven't even seen a mod ever in game. That doesn't mean that I believe the mods are never on, but I also tend to get on very late at night, around the time when just aussies and other night owls are still awake. Outside of the game, since reporting is usually done in PM's, I've never seen that either, but I do know it goes on.
I was never intending to put it in a way that made an excuse that it was the mods fault; in fact, I said that I believed a very large portion of the problem was the community itself.. when I say very large, think 3/4 of the fault. Then mods not having the proper tools is nearly .75% of the last remaining quarter. The lowest percentage is actually it being the mods fault, at probably .25%. (I know I shouldn't mix fractions and decimals, but you get the idea.) Point is, I wasn't trying to say "It's the mods fault" - I know that most of it is out of a normal moderators control.
As for the bit about getting mods you can trust and mods knowing someone who was reported - I've known far too many corrupt kinds of people in general, not just mods or admins, who have been the downfall of many things in many different ways. I know I should at least trust someone in power even a small amount, but honestly.. I just can't. I'm a good judge of character, even over the internet usually, but I have to get into a personal conversation with one of them. Just hearing what they say to other people is enough to decide whether I can put even a small amount of trust in them - so until I see how they talk to me in a normal conversation, then I can't trust them. Show some sort of respect, maybe, but only if I decide I like them.. otherwise, I'll be very neutral to them - not nasty, but not nice either.
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If you know how all these points so well, why mention them without explaining what you mean by them in that case? Cause it wont get that far, and hence the reason why I explained them so clearly as I did. It all wasn't really posted at you though so no need to explain that post of yours.
Secondly, there needs to be more staff and/or the current staff need a system for the hours where they moderate - when there isn't even one staff member online, then it increases the chance someone will cause trouble. If you just had 6 mods in different timezones, and certain hours they should moderate at (let's just say) 4 hours from 12 PM to 4 PM, then they would cover every time of the day, and therefore, the zero zone would be eliminated, which may cut down on trouble. Of course, you could decrease the amount of hours a mod should be required to work, which would mean you'd need more staff to not over-extend yourself
Just an extension of this really so I felt like adding to it.
I'm glad you do understand these things, cause the post was actually not only aimed at your post only, but the community. I do believe that in some places it was stated there's been "posts" about the subject.
I myself was pointing things out the things that didn't seem too clear in the earlier post from you. If you understood these it's all good.
You and me both and some other people have probably been quite a few of these "corrupt" people so we all got our view on that.
You made points just as I wanted to clear them up, if not for you, for others that were reading them afterwards.
Though if you can't trust mods it's your deal completely.
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The mods do a great gob and all but they miss a lot of stuff like the other day I was walking around bonfire (cuz the pack i was stupid enough to decide to rp there) I was walking around and I came across a rape line it was there for 20 minute and I was so annoyed that no mod came out or any thing. Know if you think who's fault is it. It's about 70% the community's fault and 20% kovu's fault. Not at all the mods fault that this act happens and went on. Why I say it's 20% kovu's fault? because he does not provide a well planed thought out game I. Replace for IT. He does not proved thing to do I. RPs so that let's people minds stray to the things such as they do that we don't what to happen but if there was more purpose for rp then many that would keep peoples minds off that stuff and on the rp and that would make the community better.
If kovu doesn't want any sort of mods,admin ect.. Why make feral heart. Why make a place were people can get raped and verbally assaulted. I have considered leaving feral heart because of kovu's lack of appreciation for this game he made. He made it so he took the responsibility of making a structured came and that includes making a place were people ca rp without all this raping crap. Either get a piece of mind kovu or hand the game over to someone who cares.
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Kieko, I understand where you are coming from, but really, the moderators and admins are just fine, coming on as much as they can. :)
The problem really is, I'm going to point out people yes, is that KovuLKD does not want any more admins or mods. Feral Heart was going great at first, but it's going downhill now because of less mods/admins. If we added more, we could get the back up on it's feet again! No, I'm not one of those people who say this just to become one. I'm saying this because it is the TRUE problem.
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It wouldn't be so bad if the mods could actually do something about the heaps of reports being sent in. But they can't. So anyone who thinks they're doing a good thing is screwed.
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MY THOUGHTS ON THIS
I may not be a mod or a admin but I hate crap where people say they aren't doing a good job... These are nice people who volunteer their playing time to control people who act inappropriately and I thank any MODS who read this post
MODS are people and they have human powers.... Just because people praise them with things such as "Mod = God" "Mod is my hero" etc does NOT mean they are actual gods or hero's
As far as MODS and such are concerned its Kov's game and he chooses what to do therefore I shall not judge him on his decisions as I really can't do anything to change it
And the solution to the report button
The MAGICAL BLOCK BUTTON!!!
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Blocking is all well and good, and it does offer a temporary solution to when you get fed up with users which is nice. But ultimately all it does is block. It does not actually full on stop the blocked users from bothering other people.
This is why we need the report button to actually work, so the Mods can deal with the problem users for good.
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Blocking is all well and good, and it does offer a temporary solution to when you get fed up with users which is nice. But ultimately all it does is block. It does not actually full on stop the blocked users from bothering other people.
This is why we need the report button to actually work, so the Mods can deal with the problem users for good.
You're absoloutly right, not everyone will or knows how to use the block button, and it doesn't teach the people bothering you a lesson.
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The problem really is, I'm going to point out people yes, is that KovuLKD does not want any more admins or mods.
Not true. As much as i'm never in charge of mods/admins, i NEVER stopped anyone from adding more mods. Razmirz is and has always been in charge of mods, you can PM him regarding anything about mods or becoming a mod, or at [email protected].
i have no direct access to the database, so even i can't add new mods.
People always put words in my mouth and i'm used to it, but i decided this should be made clear.
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Kov, have you read here (http://feral-heart.com/index.php?option=com_jfusion&Itemid=2&jfile=index.php&topic=10015.0)
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I'm not really sure why people keep bringing up the issue about ingame mods as your issue either kov. So it's all your right to say this.
We need to get some sort of working report function though. And if that isn't possible, the report button should at least be removed so people doesn't expect it to work. No report button is in fact better than a false/non working one.
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The problem really is, I'm going to point out people yes, is that KovuLKD does not want any more admins or mods.
Not true. As much as i'm never in charge of mods/admins, i NEVER stopped anyone from adding more mods. Razmirz is and has always been in charge of mods, you can PM him regarding anything about mods or becoming a mod, or at [email protected].
i have no direct access to the database, so even i can't add new mods.
People always put words in my mouth and i'm used to it, but i decided this should be made clear.
Hmm, then Tigg has given me the wrong idea. ;) I apologize.
But anyway, sorry, that's what I've heard. I'm not putting words in your mouth, I was just restating what I'd already heard.
Now if you don't have access to the database being game owner, is it only Razmirz who does?
Because I'm going to be honest here, I don't think he is that active so maybe he or you should hire a new -- well -- hirer.
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One question for you all to ponder on. When you really think about it who started this problem? Just putting that out there
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Now, MOD75 blahblahblah. You want to know the reason why you guys complain so much about that MOD number? Because that MOD actually does its job, gives warnings, explains before banning or kicking, and when they do, everyone goes RAGERAGERAGE, because MOD75 does their job. Meh! Sad situation, we get mad that the people doing their job, and we get mad at the people that don't do their job. Now, which do you prefer the silent ban, or actually being told before you get banned?
Honestly, I agree with this bit. MOD75 is one of the ONLY mods I have seen lately, actually doing their job. :T But as I've said before, and I will CONTINUE TO SAY THIS:
The issues that are happening on FeralHeart can be blamed, 99%, on THE COMMUNITY ITSELF. NOT THE MODS OR ADMINS.
I understand what you're saying Ritza. FeralHeart does need more mods, in my opinion. Ones that will be active not only on the forum, but in-game as well. I see mods online on the forum all the time. But if the community can't learn how to behave, they need to be taught. In all honesty, sometimes **I** go around, patrolling the main maps and making sure people aren't acting like idiots. If they are, I get screenies and report them.
Basically, all I'm saying is that this is NOT the fault of the admins/mods, entirely. Kov doesn't provide the tools for them to do their job properly. I hardly ever see any mods in-game doing their job, however... I understand not all of them speak in their red text all the time, and they shouldn't HAVE to. But given the circumstances, and how out of control the community is, I believe it's needed at the moment, until the majority of users on FeralHeart can settle down and stop acting like a bunch of immature children.
Actually, people have been getting silent banned. I have been silent banned. Maybe not from MOD75, but from other mods. I once saw a MOD100! :D
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Now, MOD75 blahblahblah. You want to know the reason why you guys complain so much about that MOD number? Because that MOD actually does its job, gives warnings, explains before banning or kicking, and when they do, everyone goes RAGERAGERAGE, because MOD75 does their job. Meh! Sad situation, we get mad that the people doing their job, and we get mad at the people that don't do their job. Now, which do you prefer the silent ban, or actually being told before you get banned?
Honestly, I agree with this bit. MOD75 is one of the ONLY mods I have seen lately, actually doing their job. :T But as I've said before, and I will CONTINUE TO SAY THIS:
The issues that are happening on FeralHeart can be blamed, 99%, on THE COMMUNITY ITSELF. NOT THE MODS OR ADMINS.
I understand what you're saying Ritza. FeralHeart does need more mods, in my opinion. Ones that will be active not only on the forum, but in-game as well. I see mods online on the forum all the time. But if the community can't learn how to behave, they need to be taught. In all honesty, sometimes **I** go around, patrolling the main maps and making sure people aren't acting like idiots. If they are, I get screenies and report them.
Basically, all I'm saying is that this is NOT the fault of the admins/mods, entirely. Kov doesn't provide the tools for them to do their job properly. I hardly ever see any mods in-game doing their job, however... I understand not all of them speak in their red text all the time, and they shouldn't HAVE to. But given the circumstances, and how out of control the community is, I believe it's needed at the moment, until the majority of users on FeralHeart can settle down and stop acting like a bunch of immature children.
Actually, people have been getting silent banned. I have been silent banned. Maybe not from MOD75, but from other mods. I once saw a MOD100! :D
Perhaps you should read what was written properly. They are not saying that there are no silent bannings, they are saying that Mod75 doesn't do that, and does their job properly.
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Oh, well, then no need to smite me e.e
I'm under 13, so I will make a few mistakes or I will misread stuff. Just take it easy on me please. :c
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Demox, please stop using under 13 as an excuse. I was more mature than you when I wasn't 13. Besides, it's not even legal for you to be on this forum if you're in the US. Ever hear of COPPA?
I see you post "I'm only 11!" on pretty much EVERYTHING. It's really starting to become annoying. We know you're 11. You should still be able to read. >_<;
Don't expect anyone to give you any special treatment. We know you're under 13, but we will treat you as if you were because you're not even supposed to BE HERE.
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^THAT
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Demox, if you're under 13, we're going to have to tell the admins.
And think about it. You're going against the LAW. We even are by allowing you to stay here. You're shouting your age publicly as excuses and need to stop. It doesn't excuse you to act this way.
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I'm going to add the fact that "It's the internet." If you can't take critique and/or opposing opinions you probably shouldn't even be on it.
Don't expect people to be nice to you regardless of age or because of any other exuse for that matter.
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Coony, we don't treat underaged members any differently than those who are 18+.
They're free to be a part of the forum. But then we do expect them to follow the same rules that everyone has to, and that they're actually were allowed by their parents to be here. We do not simply ban/kick/warn a user for being under 13 here.
But as mentioned earlier, just because you're under 13 doesn't meant you will get special treatment.
We are all in the same sack :3
Back to subject nao.
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^ agreed
ive seen mods doing a better job on FH now, one of my so called "friends" was making fun of a person on general and all of a sudden dissapeared. so the Mods are doing their job, but we need mods on at zero hour o.e it gets way to sick and inappropriate at that time.
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There's been several mods added lately so who knows, maybe it was a mod.
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I, personally, think that this problem is slowly getting solved. I've seen many more active mods lately, and a lot less trouble from idiots who think it's funny to be immature. Forum threads do help, huzzah!~ Now let's just get the REST of the community to read this, no?
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i agree with wolffox. and to quote haruhi...
Seriously the immaturity...the cussing..the raping.. its sick and disgusting... i never see this in any of the other mmorpgs ive played. or at least seen it this bad.
Ok and lets say about i think a week ago i was in flourtine plaines and there was a rape party near the temple and they were doing slander and sexual content in general chat -_-. no mod stopped them. but i did notice a admin from the forum was online while this was going on i know its a Admin cause i see the user on the forum.
i was actually a part of that party and many ohers (admins ban me if ya feel the need to) and yeah, there not the cleanest, most slander free thngs in the world but if you just turn off general then VOILA!!! NO MORE SLANDER!!!! seriously. ive had problems with lots of cussing, sexual remarks, and spamming in general when im trying to rp and instead of ranting, i just turn general off.
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Sure people can turn off the chat and such, but that whole "rape party" thing is disgusting and is actually against the rules and you can indeed get banned for it.
"3. Any sexually (humping/buttswinging over another character), threatening, hurtful, harmful, abusive, hateful, and ethnically offensive language is prohibited.
This will result in being kicked or banning."
I'm appauled that people actually have "rape parties". It may be only pixels but rape is NOT a subject to be taken lightly and turned into "parties".
I think another thing is, the game shouldn't get to the point where people have to turn the chat off.
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why do we even have buttswing if people abuse it? i found no problem with it even with a pervy mind i have until people started the rape lines and such, now i despise it.
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Because people are not meant to abuse it. Why get rid of a dance move just because people can't follow the rules? I use it appropriately, and I don't want it gone, I LIKE using it.
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i totaly agree with all you guys and yeah, i take fault for abusing a dance move. everybody does it at somepoint or other. I agree that it shouldnt be removed because ssomeone abused it and honestly have absolutely no idea what should be done. So untill then people either have to ignore it, turn off general, or deal with it (not trying to be rude here, but im just pointing out the facts)
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Ugh, this is an all ages game, now why would people purposely do this when they know that? I think that these people just need straight off bans/kicks. Kick. Then a day or two ban if there is no stop to it. Longer if need be.
This is just unacceptable.
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What Coony said.
People shouldn't HAVE to turn off general chat. It should be a chat where people can go if they need help or want to talk about things involving the game, let people know about an RP they'll be starting, or even have meaningful conversations with the whole map.
Aside from that, when I said the problem was slowly being resolved, I meant SLOWWWLY. We STILL need a report button, we STILL need glitches and bugs to be fixed, and we STILL need to work on improving the in-game community as a whole. Here on the forum, I have no issues with the community. I love you all. In-game, however... that's a whole different ballgame.
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Correctamongo, Wolffox.
Though, the ingame staff is not the problem. It's once again, a major part of the ingame community. We need a real, functioning report button ingame to report to the admins/mods ingame the trouble ASAP, and right away so that they may deal with the problems. They should have an extra icon, 'Reports', down in the icon menu ingame. Perhaps an exclamation point or warning sign, that when clicked, shows the reported usernames and why.
I will explain how my idea will work if it is added --
There is a normally yellowish brown color icon menu list ingame. Moderators and admins will have exclamation points/warning signs, that blink or are red when reports are submitted. It does not stop until the report is reviewed and the button 'SOLVED' is hit next to each report. The regular users have an exclamation point as well, but it blinks a bright green instead, when the user's reported posts are solved and when the exclamation point is hit, it says 'SOLVED!' to the user. The user clicks the exclamation point in order to use the function. They type in the user who is causing the problem's username, and a summary of what happened. [1-5 sentences. It doesn't need to be a paragraph. The user might be gone by then.], hits 'REPORT' and a window pops up saying 'Report sent!' with a check mark. [You can X it off, yes.] The moderator/admin recieves the report, goes to solve it, when it is solved, they hit the 'SOLVED' button, and the user who reported has another window pop up saying, 'SOLVED!' And it goes on and on like a food chain. ^.^
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^i agree completely, i would love to have a report button working like that. (oh god my mom sprayed to much air freshener)
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Sure people can turn off the chat and such, but that whole "rape party" thing is disgusting and is actually against the rules and you can indeed get banned for it.
"3. Any sexually (humping/buttswinging over another character), threatening, hurtful, harmful, abusive, hateful, and ethnically offensive language is prohibited.
This will result in being kicked or banning."
I'm appauled that people actually have "rape parties". It may be only pixels but rape is NOT a subject to be taken lightly and turned into "parties".
I think another thing is, the game shouldn't get to the point where people have to turn the chat off.
Now that made me smile. That can get you kicked? That goodness for that!
I just think it's sickening when people feel they can "joke" about rape in public, with no actual depth in their mind for what actually happens to someone.
I think, in my opinion, the butt-swing and head-bash or whatever should be taken out. I mean, I use it for dance parties and such, but on FH its' seriously abused, moreso than on IT. Maybe the more harmless of the dance moves should be put in, such as Thriller and Moonwalk possibly?
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Indeed you can. I just wish the report button worked so mods could act upon it quicker.
And yeah, as I mentioned up there. It's disgusting how people think rape is fun and "OMGLOL". It just...no. I'm pretty sure if those users who think it's funny were raped in real life they would not be laughing.
I think it's a matter of time before it hits IT. I've actually seen my first 'rape party' on there a few days ago :\. Those users were promptly blocked and I left Default.
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It's not exactly terrifying to watch but more something that you just wanna not see =/
Some people just fail in general x3
I wouldn't wish karma on this instance, because I would never wish such a horrid act on anyone, but I hope that at some point in their lives, they see the damage that rape really causes...
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ya, rape is NOTHING to joke about, infact ive gotten a few people to stop by using a diff launguge on them, all i was doing was saying random things and they didn't even bother to use a translator XD. And IRL a few people (i know its not a few but it is compared to how many people on the world) get killed after it as i have seen. (i read the newspaper, i watch the news and crime cases when i get bored o.e)
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The whole subject makes me shudder really.
Anyway, let's change the topic. I'm glad stuff like that can get you banned but erm...what next?
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uh............. how about the people who down everything for what people like? i mean, with my friends or over general i may say if someone mentions twilight and we are talking about it i hate it, but its all in good fun and they know that, and if their offended i state i was just fooling around and not trying to harm anyone. NOW when i had talked about teen titans last night not to many people downed it, but when i went to talk about code lyoko? i got cussed at for liking the show, for speaking of the show in matter of fact.
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Sure people can turn off the chat and such, but that whole "rape party" thing is disgusting and is actually against the rules and you can indeed get banned for it.
"3. Any sexually (humping/buttswinging over another character), threatening, hurtful, harmful, abusive, hateful, and ethnically offensive language is prohibited.
This will result in being kicked or banning."
I'm appauled that people actually have "rape parties". It may be only pixels but rape is NOT a subject to be taken lightly and turned into "parties".
I think another thing is, the game shouldn't get to the point where people have to turn the chat off.
Now that made me smile. That can get you kicked? That goodness for that!
I just think it's sickening when people feel they can "joke" about rape in public, with no actual depth in their mind for what actually happens to someone.
I think, in my opinion, the butt-swing and head-bash or whatever should be taken out. I mean, I use it for dance parties and such, but on FH its' seriously abused, moreso than on IT. Maybe the more harmless of the dance moves should be put in, such as Thriller and Moonwalk possibly?
Taking out those dance moves will do NOTHING. People will still find a way around it. I rememeber once I was getting irritated with my keyboard so I just hit keys, and I hit the crouch button a couple of times.... That made me look like I'm doing the deed (I accidently moved on top of someone will keyboard smashing XD)
The head swing or whatever, they'll use that despite it not really looking like it.
Why take away a dance move because people are immature and insensative?
And the rulle about buttswinging has been there for a while, I was so glad they put that up, finally something was being done. SO many people were going on about how the rules say buttswinging people is allowed because iT wasn't up there specifically, but I read the sexually offensive riulle as no buttswinging, it was offensive AND sexual.
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I love how Kov is a newbie with only nine posts on the FH forum... just saying.
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^ I know right D: All of the Admins/Mods have more posts xD
Kov is like, THE CREATOR.
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I love how Kov is a newbie with only nine posts on the FH forum... just saying.
That's because he rarely gets on here, if ever. I believe if that he may think he's better than us or...he doesn't want to be flooded with questions, hate mail or spam. It could be both. But either way. the forums admins have more to do with us on the forums and the games that he does.
He's lied to us so I doubt he cares much to show his face. =3
Just saying.
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Ya know I'm sorry to have ever said anything on this because I keep getting up daes and I really just don't care
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Ya know I'm sorry to have ever said anything on this because I keep getting up daes and I really just don't care
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OH SNAP!
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Easy now guys.
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x.x Oh wow.
Now, do you want Kovu to
A) Sit here and chat with you on the forum.
B) Sit here and chat with raging children.
C) Sit here and just chat.
D) Actually get some darn updates in to pacify these raging children?
E) Ignore you all together.
He really didn't have to pop his head into a thread for you guys. Lol, so try not to attack him about it. He's just saying his piece, and stepping out.
xPitbull, your comment didn't help anything in this thread either, actually it was just a blatantly bash on another user. Soooo.
I agree with Kyu over here, taking out the dance move does nothing at all but bring more people onto the forum to complain. You have to teach the masses, not sit there and punish them, you all have to admit, that "butt swing" and "head bang" does look pretty. . . EH. when your just sitting there.
More moderators, meh, hear it all the time, I'm certain you can find 1520565 threads saying that. Don't need more I don't believe. They just need to be spread out in different time zones. I've seen moderators tag team general before. Lol.
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Okay, modified my content, the rage was no needed XD
Anyway, okay, so Ritza and Kyu made a point, and what's happened is that there's that new rule about being banned for such behaviour. Again, that is going to depend on how bothered people are.
And I agree with Ritza on this again, the whole more mods' thing. As she said, maybe they just need to be timezone allocated...
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Yeah and I guess I'm sorry about what I said I guess I was just kinda annoyed that this was the only thing people were replying to
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Then take off notifications, Kaz.
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? How do I do that?
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x.x Oh wow.
Now, do you want Kovu to
A) Sit here and chat with you on the forum.
B) Sit here and chat with raging children.
C) Sit here and just chat.
D) Actually get some darn updates in to pacify these raging children?
E) Ignore you all together.
He really didn't have to pop his head into a thread for you guys. Lol, so try not to attack him about it. He's just saying his piece, and stepping out.
xPitbull, your comment didn't help anything in this thread either, actually it was just a blatantly bash on another user. Soooo.
I agree with Kyu over here, taking out the dance move does nothing at all but bring more people onto the forum to complain. You have to teach the masses, not sit there and punish them, you all have to admit, that "butt swing" and "head bang" does look pretty. . . EH. when your just sitting there.
More moderators, meh, hear it all the time, I'm certain you can find 1520565 threads saying that. Don't need more I don't believe. They just need to be spread out in different time zones. I've seen moderators tag team general before. Lol.
OOH OOH OOH i pick 'B'
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Lol at Kenzi. XD
Know what I want Kov to do?
Actually CARE what goes on with his game and in this forum, where people who want things to be fixed SAY they want things to be fixed, and provide input on HOW to fix them. The only ones who pay attention to those things are the admins, but does Kov pay attention to the staff? Nooooo, obviously not if we have so many glitches and problems. So there.
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im sure kov is doing his best. I mean honestly, give him a break. They guy's gotta have like, zillions of facebook messages, wall posts, and comments. messages from mods, admins, and just regular game users. Hes working on a facebook game, working on putting wings in, hunting too. And on top of all that hes got to deal with rants on how the game could be improved and how they like IT better. Theres people wanting more, more, MORE stuff 24/7. You all know what i think?
I think that the game is fine the way it is. Yea it would be nice to have a new thing here or there but REALLY GUYS, STOP WHINING!!! I have never met kov ingame or on the forums but im sure hes got a good temperment about this crap but if i was him i would be like
"IF YOU DONT LIKE THE F***ING GAME THEN UNINSTALL IT, IM NOT GOING MORE OUT OF MY WAY TO MAKE YOU UNGRATEFULL PEOPLE HAPPY"
honestly guys im sure he does care but with all this stuff on his plate the guy barely even gets a little free time, and even if he does ive only seen him come in to flaurite one time and about fifteen people came behind him and everybody was like
<?> kov your so awesome
<?> thanks for the game kov
<?> kov i love you so much!
<?> kov the game rocks!
<?> omg i love the game! wanna hang out?
and thousands of oher things. One time someone even asked to be his mate. I mean seriously give him a break
sorry guys a really blew up there. Just trying to get my point across. No hard feelings anyone
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Non taken, even though people shouldn't forget he were the one making this game that they play there's still quite a few things that can be done.
I'm sure he actually he get some sort of free time, and if not, my bad, but then others should be free to help to improve instead of left on the sideline.
I just don't agree here xD
It's arguable from every angle though.
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I agree with Red you can argue this any way you darn well please
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Exactly what Red says... if Kov doesn't want to fix the issues with his game then he should open up the opportunity for others to fix it themselves.
Instead of making an entirely new game, making NEW things for FH, and answering every facebook message his beloved "fans" send him, he should be fixing the problems with the game he already made whenever he has time. Hobby or not, if a person makes a game for people to play they should either be able to fix bug/glitch fixes, and put more care into it, or take it down completely. Kov is lucky the FH staff even keeps up with the forum and in-game community. Without them this game would be pure crap.
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^ YES.
Augh. I think fame and such has gotten to him a bit.
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i think that he doesnt have to spend 24/7 on this game. And i agree, without staff it would be VERY hard to manage and maybe one or two trusted staff members could be allowed to make some glitch fixes. Maybe even hire a geek to go and help him out in person. But come on, give him a break. honestly, I think everybody's right on certain sides of the subject.
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That's true, he probably does have a life outside FH.
Although it's a bit concerning that he'd rather make FH Facebook games then try to fix FH's problems.
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Lolz this subject somehow made it into debate team today! A bunch of people on debate team play FH so we decided to argue this
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lol thats funny. I dont even know what debate team is though. we have an fh debate team?
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i think that he doesnt have to spend 24/7 on this game. And i agree, without staff it would be VERY hard to manage and maybe one or two trusted staff members could be allowed to make some glitch fixes. Maybe even hire a geek to go and help him out in person. But come on, give him a break. honestly, I think everybody's right on certain sides of the subject.
That's the problem. He hardly seems to spend ANY time on this game.
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no no fh debate team sadly its pretty much a thing for me and all my geeky friends to go out and argue in front of a bunch of people
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I was in Louisiana and couldn't get on my Feral Heart! I logged on and it said im banned!!! This is none since and needs to be taken care of our i WILL contact someone about it!It isn't fair!If im not unbanned then my family said they will sue!!! This game should ask questions before banning like the e-mail and compair it i had no notion of being banned until i got back 7 hours ago!!! SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE!!
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